Obamacare ruling offers good possibilities, but no substitute for a win
Generals are often accused of “fighting the last war.” After Thursday’s Supreme Court ruling upholding Obamacare, conservatives are asked to pin our hopes on the notion Chief Justice John Roberts was fighting the next war.
This is a tempting proposition. There is the fact Roberts, in the main opinion of the court, and the four dissenting justices endorsed a limit to the power Congress wields under the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. As this was the key judicial theory advanced by the law’s opponents, one that sought to halt a decades-long expansion of the meaning of “regulating” interstate commerce, that is no minor feat. It could even provide the starting point one day for further rollbacks of bad Commerce Clause precedent, starting with the awful 1942 Wickard decision that found a farmer affected interstate commerce by growing his own wheat.
There is also the fact the court’s majority decided the “penalty” for non-compliance with Obamacare’s individual mandate to purchase health insurance is really a “tax.” While this contradicts Congress’ actions and the president’s words during the 2009-10 health-care debate, it has the benefit of making it easier to repeal the law. As a budgetary matter, this “tax” — and Obamacare’s other taxes and spending — should be subject to the Senate’s reconciliation process, to which the filibuster does not apply. So, there’s no requirement for 60 votes in the Senate to remove the heart and guts of the law, just a simple majority.
And there is the fact that Roberts’ surprising vote on Obamacare averted the torrent of purely partisan criticism Democrats and liberals were set to unleash had a majority of the court struck down the law, accusing Roberts and his colleagues of — wait for it — partisanship. His court’s integrity intact, perhaps Roberts will be freer in lower-profile future cases to strike blows for the causes of federalism and limited government.
All these thoughts are pleasing to the conservative mind.
But if Roberts’ ruling can cite Benjamin Franklin’s aphorism about the certainty of death and taxes, allow me to caution against too rosy a view of his ruling with another saying: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Maybe the Roberts court will reinforce federalist principles in future cases. Then again, maybe the facts and circumstances of these future cases won’t cooperate. Or maybe the cases won’t emerge before the Commerce Clause-limiting wing of the court changes for the worse: Antonin Scalia is 76, Anthony Kennedy turns 76 this month, and there are at least even odds Barack Obama will be making court appointments past their 80th birthdays.
Speaking of elections: Maybe Mitt Romney will win and have at least 50 GOP senators (plus his vice president) to pass a budgetary bill by reconciliation. Maybe not. The presidential election and key Senate races look close, and four months is an eternity in politics.
And maybe, just maybe, the same Democrats and liberals who thought partisanship was the only reason the court could strike down Obamacare will look back, when a future case is decided in favor of federalism and limited government, and say, “This stinks, but hey — Roberts was with us on health care back in 2012. So it’s cool.” Or maybe their reactions will be just as vicious and plainly partisan as their blowback to an anti-Obamacare decision promised to be.
Possible future good is a consolation for Thursday’s loss, but it’s no substitute for a win.
(Note from Kyle: This is my column for the Sunday AJC. As anyone who read my posts Thursday can tell, I have been going back and forth about the impact of the Obamacare ruling. Consider this column a refinement of my opinion: There are some good things that could come out of the ruling, but they are by no means guaranteed.)
– By Kyle Wingfield
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md
June 29th, 2012
6:04 pm
“Generals are often accused of “fighting the last war.” After Thursday’s Supreme Court ruling upholding Obamacare, conservatives are asked to pin our hopes on the notion Chief Justice John Roberts was fighting the next war.”
Think of them as battles Kyle……it’s shaping up to be a long war……..there is a difference.
md
June 29th, 2012
6:14 pm
Interesting that the IRS will be the ones in charge of collecting the penalties……ever looked at that closely?
The IRS………theirs!
Bob Baldwin
June 29th, 2012
6:17 pm
What are the chances corporations wil turn away from States that decide to NOT implement this program?
Already, before this started, companies were dropping insurance due to the costs.
Turn off even that that is already in place and costs will go up more. ERs will become the primary provider for even more people and they won’t be able to pay.
InAtl
June 29th, 2012
6:19 pm
Jay Carney was telling reporters today that Obamacare involves a penalty, not a tax. They can’t have it both ways, but they keep trying to fool the American people.
Bob Baldwin
June 29th, 2012
6:24 pm
InAtl
How much will your tax bill be?
InAtl
June 29th, 2012
6:26 pm
Don’t know yet, Bob. Do you? If I elect to drop my insurance and not carry any, are you saying IRS won’t care? Or are you saying that SCOTUS was wrong about it being a tax?
Bob Baldwin
June 29th, 2012
6:34 pm
Don’t know, but that’s a moot question because I won’t be dropping my insurance. I also believe you and probably all of the posters on this subject (all the blogs) are intelligent enough to keep their insurance.
More people will opt in than opt out.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
6:45 pm
Mitt wins he will be the one making those court appointments Kyle. You can bet he’ll not appoint another Ruth Joan Bader Ginsburg or Benedict Arnold Roberts Jr. to the court.
The only good thing to pin hope on in this thing is seating a new conservative majority in Congress that will pass laws to “extremely limit” the taxing powers of Congress and review limits, set more restrictions on all the powers of the executive branch. An amendment that would restore Federalism to its once glory of a weak central federal government would probably be too much to ask for… However one can always wish.
Meanwhile, I’m with the minority opinions in this case and pray for five more Scalias’ on the Supreme Court. The thought of these socialist libs standing at the airport with one way tickets in hand is better than getting a Chris Mathews leg tingle.
One other point… Your lying bum obumer can’t say he didn’t break his campaign promise not to raise taxes on the middle class and the poor now Comrades
Flip done flopped?!
Yeah, you darn betcha he did. BIG GUB’MENT TIME!
Just saying..
June 29th, 2012
6:46 pm
“Or maybe their reactions will be just as vicious and plainly partisan as their blowback to an anti-Obamacare decision promised to be.”
Or as others, here, turned out to be…
Bullet County
June 29th, 2012
6:49 pm
Kyle, the so-called conservative “mind” is a figment of your imaginations.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
6:53 pm
Just saying..
June 29th, 2012
6:46 pm
Yeah vicious and plainly partisan like yours you phony hypocrite and those of your dirt bag ilk!
Don’t play the noble gentry now clowns, we on this blog remember all that CRAM IT DOWN THEIR THROATS DONKEY DUNG!
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
6:55 pm
Michael
Is your God a Republican or maybe conservative?
For all you know he or she wants the liberals on the court…… strange he would bless or want Scalia’s but have no “power” to keep the lefties off the court
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 29th, 2012
6:56 pm
Have patience, my man.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
6:56 pm
Bullet County
June 29th, 2012
6:49 pm
When we on the Conservative side regain power I’ll remind you it is all just a figment of your imagination we really aren’t irradiating over 100 years of peegressive socialism from Woodrow Wilson until lil barry obumer
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
6:58 pm
Kyle
While not in agreement with much of your assessment, it is still a very well thought out and written article
Thanks
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
7:01 pm
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
6:55 pm
My God is my business and HE really is not into favoring socialist liberal things like Abortion and Homosexuality if you can understand it, though I doubt you can.
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
7:04 pm
Michael
Thanks for the reply. I missed in the KVJ Bible were it spoke of Supreme Court Justices, Republican / Democrat, liberal /conservative…..
Maybe you do not use that bible or are not even Christian but adhere and follow another faith
No problem, I was just asking
Shalom
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
7:11 pm
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
7:04 pm
Yeah you missed alot obviously including your inadequate ability to talk theology with me.
God ordains those in power for his purpose doesn’t mean I got to like them.
Now ignorant person go get your KJV and try to make abortion anything less than murder in the eyes of God or homosexuality a pleasing thing to God.
PS. No I don’t claim to be a Christian, because I actually know what that word means and I can tell you that you are not one either.
Mandingo
June 29th, 2012
7:15 pm
Johnny Rebs vs Americans. Lincoln should have let the slave states sucede from the Union . Barred any economic ties with them and watch them self destruct and kill each other off . It still may work.
Just saying..
June 29th, 2012
7:17 pm
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012-6:53 pm: Just saying.. June 29th, 2012
6:46 pm”Yeah vicious and plainly partisan like yours you phony hypocrite and those of your dirt bag ilk!
Don’t play the noble gentry now clowns, we on this blog remember all that CRAM IT DOWN THEIR THROATS DONKEY DUNG!”
Mike, do you believe you present the best Conservative response to the Supreme Court ruling?
jconservative
June 29th, 2012
7:18 pm
“His court’s integrity intact,…”
Kyle,
I am not sure that “court’s integrity” is necessarily the case with the Obamacare decision. Roberts has been reluctant to override the decisions of duly elected representatives of the people. The Obamacare bill was passed by duly elected representatives of the people and signed into law by a duly elected president.
See CJ Roberts dissenting opinion in Miller v Alabama of 6/25/12: In that dissenting opinion he noted that in “…United States v. Harris, 106 U. S. 629, 635 (1883) (courts must presume an Act of Congress is constitutional “unless the lack of constitutional authority . . . is clearly demonstrated”)…. And to that case specifically he noted that: “Neither the text of the Constitution nor our precedent prohibits legislatures from requiring that juvenile murderers be sentenced to life without parole.”
I believe that the guiding philosophy of the CJ is that the Court must be reluctant to override the wishes of the people, expressed through their elected representatives, if a constitutional remedy is available.
I am not a big fan of having the Court override the votes of 219 members of the House, 60 senators and a presidential signature, all elected by the people, by a 5 – 4 decision of 9 people appointed for life. They have no realistic accountability.
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
7:20 pm
Michael
It is ok. You can make the inferences, etc from any religious texts you like. Your right. I just asked a question. It is a public blog.
As for abortion, etc, those are your words, I haven’t mentioned them.
So do carry on with your uniformed diatribe if that works for you
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
7:21 pm
brucie here’s a little tid bit for you dum dum.
The South should have made the North secede from the union as it wanted to do some 35 years before the South did.
Don’t even try that Oh Holy North crap with me. The North signed off on slavery remember?hmmm..
Northerners owned slaves as well, even free black women owned black men slaves and if they caught’em looking at a woman the wrong way they’d say… “Your butts on the block boy!”
Meaning they were going to be sold.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
7:24 pm
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
7:20 pm
You are the uniform party, I didn’t initiate the “inferences” as you did, so continue on though I’m not interested in your lackluster entertainment.
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
7:26 pm
carry on Crying Mike
Pray for Scalias……..
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
June 29th, 2012
7:31 pm
Kyle, good analysis, but I do not give Roberts credit for being that brilliant or for seeing this as an opportunity for future benefits. I think his motivation was simple, his legacy and his courts legacy. He traded his backbone in an effort to appease his critics and insure his legacy.
No rational individual would make a tortured detrimental decision of this magnitude, hoping that a hundred future things will line up in order, so your brilliant plan will work, in the long run, to benefit America.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
7:32 pm
Reading comprehension is not a strong suit I see. No serious moaning on my part, the Scalias’ is a wish.
I’m just waiting for my turn, when you’ll start braying jackass. hee haw!
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
7:34 pm
Benedict Roberts went out of his legal way to make that trade Rafe.
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
7:35 pm
“when you’ll start braying jackass. hee haw!”
Why would I imitate someone as yourself?
hahahaha
Get real, son
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
7:40 pm
Yeah do come soon back child, Papa will be waiting for you and brucie
End of the month maybe?
Bookman is probably getting worried about you two, best run along now.
Bye uh oh dolt.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
7:52 pm
Let’s see how many democrats will vote raise taxes when the Republicans force their hand Kyle?
Like those who expressed they might not go to the democrat convention?
You might be right Kyle, this may have woke a sleeping giant.
Ernest T Bass
June 29th, 2012
7:55 pm
You might be right Kyle, this may have woke a sleeping giant.
LOL. Meanwhile Obama is up another couple points in the polls.
Universal Healthcare is here to stay. Get over it.
Obama won. You guys lost.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
June 29th, 2012
7:59 pm
Ernest T
Pains me to have to school a fellow Mayberrite, but Oblama won. America lost.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
8:03 pm
You lost health care and fast and furious is over.
Your party needs a reckoning and President Obama is the man that will do it again.
Yes, he can.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
8:04 pm
Your mistake clown, we guys have moved on to the next battle already but you can keeping fighting the other one while we guys kick your donkey butt.
Meanwhile dems say go on the tax offense. I think we got’em on this one Kyle. The last thing Americans want right now is more tax when so many have not even got back to where they were economically before obumer took over. Now obumer and the democrats are caught in his lie. They’ve raised our taxes. I hope you’ll do a blog on all the taxes that will result from obumercare, Kyle. Oh that’s before you outline how many jobs will not be created because of this so called “affordable act”?
killerj
June 29th, 2012
8:05 pm
Once again your screwed people,you reap what you sew fool,s.
Hillbilly D
June 29th, 2012
8:07 pm
Lincoln should have let the slave states sucede from the Union . Barred any economic ties with them and watch them self destruct and kill each other off .
But Lincoln himself said that if he let the South go, grass would grow in the streets of New York City.
Skip
June 29th, 2012
8:10 pm
Is Kyle this desperate for comments? Does he have any rules at all?I don’t think it’s right that he lets you folks drive this Smith guy into a nervous breakdown.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
8:13 pm
New York was invested with “Copperheads” during that time D: The term Copperheads meant Southern sympathizers.
Oh and don’t forget that parts of New York remain under the same voting rights restrictions imposed on the South.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
8:15 pm
The dems are going on the offense on the economy and jobs.
Try acting like Americans for a change.
Praise our President for this major accomplishment that Presidents have been trying to do for decades.
Hillbilly D
June 29th, 2012
8:15 pm
Michael H
NYC financiers were dependent on Southern cotton; that’s how they made their money.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
8:16 pm
Skip
June 29th, 2012
8:10 pm
Oh your compassion… how touching but I don’t need it. Maybe Kyle should protect my attackers as they do seem to be getting beat-up the worst. Help’em Kyle.
Bob Baldwin
June 29th, 2012
8:24 pm
Michael H. Smith
I was going to say something ugly, but let it suffice to say that you aren’t a good representative of the conservative position.
You aren’t helping.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
8:24 pm
Hillbilly D
Yeah but they feared the South was gaining to much of an economic advantage. This is a heavy subject that goes all they way back to England. The divisions and the resulting war was more predictable than rain. A book by the title: The Three Cousin’s War treated the history of this entire affair very well. I’m afraid many of those same old harbingers do linger, all that has changed is the disbursement of the people over the face of the present geography, our political polarity really hasn’t.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
8:26 pm
Bob Baldwin
June 29th, 2012
8:24 pm
Probably more than you but I’ve good reason to doubt you’re sincerity anyway.
Bob Baldwin
June 29th, 2012
8:28 pm
Michael H. Smith
I was going to post something ugly, but let it suffice to say you aren’t helping the conservative cause.
md
June 29th, 2012
8:29 pm
“Universal Healthcare is here to stay. Get over it.”
Considering this entitlement program will now cost 1.7 trillion (cbo, which more than likely is on the low side) over the next decade, and we are currently 16 trillion in debt, one best hope the next course of action is to reduce that debt or this program along with all the others won’t much matter………
Greece was able to get plenty of programs on the books……….it’s the paying for them part that is the problem. And last I checked, we aren’t doing to well with paying for the ones we had and you folks are applauding the addition of another one………..
Bob Baldwin
June 29th, 2012
8:30 pm
Michael,
My computer isn’t cooperating, but I’m not trying to repeat myself. Once is enough.
Just saying..
June 29th, 2012
8:30 pm
Mike and his self-proclaimed partner, Kyle. How about a photo, guys?
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
8:32 pm
That is your opinion Bob, whatever is your ugly cause.
Oh by the Bob, how many democrat hold statewide office in Georgia?
Looks like my damaging efforts helped more than you probably like?
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
8:33 pm
Just saying..
June 29th, 2012
8:30 pm
Jealous!
Hillbilly D
June 29th, 2012
8:34 pm
Michael H @ 8:24
Haven’t read that book but don’t have much disagreement. I think we’re still fighting about the same things we’ve been fighting about since Colonial times, the Hamiltonian view versus the Jeffersonian view. Of course, there are many subtexts that factor into that but that’s always been the big one, in my opinion. Throw in a little money to fight over (which always gets human’s dander up) and you get conflict.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
8:36 pm
Our President showed up in Colorado and called in the military to help put out the fire.
This is what competent Presidents do.
How about a tiny bit of praise for that.
It does not hurt cons.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
8:40 pm
Universal Healthcare?
Probably will but it depends on how you define “Universal”?
I’ve always supported a “Universal”- as I define it) healthcare but not this socialized centralized obumercare ideology of it. Rep Price is moving more in my direction, we are very, very close in agreement.
single-payer? hell no!
PS. Later gang, as I must take leave now to support my local economy.
md
June 29th, 2012
8:43 pm
getalife…..now that he has passed this big entitlement program and it has been established that raising taxes only on those that make above 250k will not put a dent in the deficit, how is the left going to respond to the inevitable lapsing of ALL the tax cuts along with the additional tax we just allowed to go through??
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 29th, 2012
8:44 pm
obozo gloats, go figure…
Pizzaman
June 29th, 2012
8:47 pm
Ok Kyle, the Teapublicans plan to repeal and replace. If they want my vote they have to delineate the replace before November. Get on it.
Don Abernethy
June 29th, 2012
8:55 pm
This country is like a big plane out of control and heading for the ground and no one can stop it. There is no one in our country who can prevent the disaster that is coming. Buy a little farm, a lot of guns and ammo and hang on. Learn first aid because doctors are going to be hard to find. Forget politicians they will be a waste of time. So don’t loose any sleep over November. In God we (I) trust.
Pizzaman
June 29th, 2012
8:56 pm
BTW: it seems that Justice Roberts is more interested in the integrity of the Court, an umpire not a politician, than ALL the other members.
md
June 29th, 2012
9:00 pm
“BTW: it seems that Justice Roberts is more interested in the integrity of the Court, an umpire not a politician, than ALL the other members.”
That’s because his name is on it……..it’s his court for ever and ever in the history books…….
Tenacity365
June 29th, 2012
9:24 pm
Ya obamacare.Woo!.Now I can have heathcare that is affordable.
Tenacity365
June 29th, 2012
9:36 pm
Republicans are the main corpratism allies and its obvious. After all the know the most billionaires thats why citizens united went the way it went
getalife
June 29th, 2012
9:46 pm
md,
They punted on the timeline and will probably keep punting on cuts in a bad economy.
We don’t want to use failed austerity like EU.
“(CNN) – The U.S. House on Friday passed a $109 billion transportation funding bill as part of a package that includes a measure holding down interest rates on federal student loans. ”
It extends flood insurance too so that is great news.
Our President won the growth vs austerity argument so everything will be fine except the debt.
Debt solutions will take time down the road.
We have a competent President that should be praised and not disrespected.
JDW
June 29th, 2012
9:48 pm
@Kyle…maybe now is the time for the Party of No branch of the Republican Party to pack it in and start thinking about how to work with the Dems for a set of solutions to our current problems. Solutions mind you that take into account both sides of the argument.
Before you start harping on how the Dems are just as bad, lets just look at the healthcare bill. The centerpiece being an individual mandate. Conceived by the Heritage Foundation, supported by two of the last three Republican Candidates for President (before it was in a Democratic bill of course), signed into law by a Republican Governor who is now the Republican presumptive nominee and introduced as legislation by a Republicans into the Senate in 1993 by 19 Republican sponsors.
Maybe a few more such collaborations are in order.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
9:53 pm
roberts passed billionaires united so his legacy needed something good for the institution. He was for the mandate all along. It’s corporate welfare and the con judges are corporate activists.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
9:55 pm
Don,
That is good advice if the gop ever win again.
They will collapse the global economy again.
Their ideology is government failure.
Not sure why Americans will vote for certain failure.
Bob Baldwin
June 29th, 2012
9:58 pm
Michael H. Smith
Checked in before I get down to serious Jack Daniels drinking.
#1 All these Republicans in Georgia were Democrats before they changed.
#2 Consider using Obamacare to get a mental evaluation.
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
10:01 pm
Yes, everybody ’s gonna get “affordable healthcare”. You mean the quality of healthcare wiill be “cheap”. You get what you pay for.
KYLE, this middle of the road stuff you are writing is like eating mushy oatmeal. May be good for us but not very palatable.. The approval of ObamaCare really stinks and you are pouring honey all over it.
I would say that the majority of Americans were against Obamacare.. So now we proceed to “cheap” medicine, a bigger debt, a mediocre Supreme Court, higher taxes and a president that acts like a traveling saleman with an open bank account. This country is being led to laughable levels of taxation, indebtedness and poor leadership. Or I should say hysterical levels.
I think it is time to say, forcibly, enough is enough. We , the people of this country who are still able to think, abhor being thrown under the bus for “the good of all” when it is detrimental to the majority. It is the decline in toto for everyone. If the poor imbeciles of this country don’t know it yet, they soon will. Do you, Kyle? .
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
10:03 pm
I found it interesting that Roberts stood ALONE on the individual mandate being Constitutional as a tax.
Which makes his vote all te more curious.
There were actually TWO dissenting opinions written for this decision. Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Kennedy wrote the actual dissent regarding the vote, yet Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan and Breyer wrote their own dissent regarding the reason for Roberts’ vote, even though they agreed with the vote itself.
Seems the four libs were going to vote for the mandate as Constitutional no matter what, and considered the Commerce Clause defense to be valid. When Roberts concluded (irrationally) to agree to a tax on inactivity, he was the ONLY person to agree to that conclusion.
This will go down as one of the strangest decisions in the history of the SCOTUS, and will certainly open up interesting challenges in future cases if a Democrat majority goes rogue like the 2009-2010 Congress did.
JDW
June 29th, 2012
10:08 pm
One other thought for those here that are wound up because they think a groundswell of dissent will aid Romney. You all want to point to the fact that almost half the country was against the bill. Dig into those numbers a bit and its not a pretty story for Romney….
“The last CNN poll at the end of May indicated 43% of Americans favored the Affordable Care Act, while 51% opposed the measure. Broken down, 13% said they opposed the law because it was not liberal enough, while 34% opposed it because it was too liberal.”
Now do you really think the 25% of the people that thought the law didn’t go far enough will be voting for Romney…nope. At the end of the day the healthcare decision will energize at most 34% of the electorate…pretty much the same folks that supported Romney already.
Sorry there is no lift for Romney here. HIs real problem is the numbers in FL and OH are moving against him now. To win he has to take both plus almost every other swing state. Play with the map yourself…
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
If Romney loses OH or FL there is no real path to victory baring a seismic shift that is not on the horizon…
O’ BTW you can cross Europe off the potential seismic shift list…seems while all this was going on they found a solution and the markets ROCKED today.
Now is the time for all good Republicans to start collaborating rather than obfuscating .
JDW
June 29th, 2012
10:10 pm
@Tiberius…you are alive…I was worried you had flung yourself from a cliff somewhere!
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
10:11 pm
“Our President showed up in Colorado and called in the military to help put out the fire.”
More incompetence at work from this current Disaster-in-Chief.
The LAST thing you do is send in untrained people into wildfire situations.
But it sounds good the idiot masses like you.
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
10:12 pm
JDW
Rasmussen who both Hannity and Boortz love to tout said on Fox the other night that Romney needs OH, FL and VA. And Rasmussen who for a few weeks has had Romney ahead in the popular vote has him behind now, of course it is withing the margin of error but the trend is heading the wrong way for Romeny
With all that said, we have 1000 political life times before now and November.
The slam dunk that many thought was going to be the case and the Holder vote which was be mere coincidence scheduled yesterday turned out to be dud……. not the double whammy that many on the right thought it would be.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
10:16 pm
JDW, once again, looking at maps that will change many times in the next 4 months is a fools errand, which is why you probably engage in ti.
Europe didn’t SOLVE anything. They kicked the can down the road and announced progress, but no real solutions.
Our economy continues to backslide. Retail is flat going into summer. NOT a good sign.
And while you may not think Romney gets a boost from this, he received over $4 million dollars in donations in just the last 24 hours, and the Tea Party which kicked your liberal a$$es to the curb in 2010 is energized and ready to work to get Romney elected – something they weren’t behind until this decision.
Keep dreamin’, son.
JDW
June 29th, 2012
10:17 pm
@Tiberius..”The LAST thing you do is send in untrained people into wildfire situations.”
Of course given that fire is a part of combat its a reasonable assumption they have pretty good idea of what to do and how to follow orders. Seems to me to be a judicious use of available resources unlike natural disaster responses on some other President’s watch.
Beignets or crawfish etouffee anyone?
getalife
June 29th, 2012
10:18 pm
I am very optimistic on the future of our country if this President is reelected.
Things are definitely getting better but could use a big job creator like Germany’s plan on green energy.
A green energy bubble will give us the revenue to balance our budget again. Then the gop can blow it again.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
10:19 pm
The Republicans are the party of no? It is time for the Republicans to work with you and your cram it down their throat democrats?
brucie, YOU ARE A SICK JOKE!
It is time for the conservatives, Libertarians and fiscally responsible small government Republicans to go on the attack like never before to end the unlimited powers of big tax us in to submission big government socialism in this country.
JDW
June 29th, 2012
10:22 pm
@Tiberuis…”Our economy continues to backslide. Retail is flat going into summer. NOT a good sign.”
Sorry, guess you missed the financial news today…all good.
“looking at maps that will change many times in the next 4 months is a fools errand”
I understand its your last hope, however slim, history is not on your side baring seismic shifts and your chances are dwindling…did you see Moody’s projection…based on history, current polls and current economic indicators they estimate 303 EV’s for the President.
“And while you may not think Romney gets a boost from this, he received over $4 million dollars in donations in just the last 24 hours”
Nice of him to reduce the race to a hourly fundraising scoreboard…BTW did you notice that the President’s total was in excess of Romney’s?
JDW
June 29th, 2012
10:24 pm
MHS…please do stop that drooling and with the foam off your mouth.
JDW
June 29th, 2012
10:24 pm
MHS…please do stop that drooling and with the foam off your mouth
getalife
June 29th, 2012
10:25 pm
“conservatives are asked to pin our hopes on the notion Chief Justice John Roberts was fighting the next war.”
cons will believe anything that the gop tell them to believe so don’t worry about that kyle. It did not “wake up the sleeping giant” because cons always vote gop no matter what that failed party does.
It will be like 08 and corporate media will call it early.
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
10:27 pm
Tiberius, 10:03
What ever Roberts decision was based upon, it came across as pure “cut’n'run” from the basic concepts of this country. The citizens of this country are supposed to have some voice in government affairs and Roberrts killed that voice. It also killed the opinion that he was a man of integrity.
I cannot believe that there is any cohesion in the Supreme Court. Now they have a “no confidence ” winner to lead them, just like our country at the moment. A “no confidence” president leads us right into bankruptcy.
I always held the Supreme Dourt in great esteem. Now that is gone too.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
10:29 pm
Oh nawh Tiberius, you got it all wrong my man. Am the wacko-nut-job Veterinarian done told us those democrats just keep winning and winning and winning. It’s all a FIGMENT of our IMAGINATION. That old garbage about 201O… worst defeat in history… never happened…. Pelosi is still speaker…. and AL Gore really was President. He really did invent the Internet too!
Keep telling yourselves those sweet little marxist peegressive socialist lies libs, cause you are the only ones that believe a word of what you are saying.
JDW
June 29th, 2012
10:30 pm
@Dusty…”The citizens of this country are supposed to have some voice in government affairs ”
And dear Dusty so they did. The Supreme Court upheld the voice of the people. It was duly voted on by the elected officials and signed by the elected executive…just the way it’s suppose to work.
You don’t like it…sorry you need to find more voices…it seems that you are in the minority on this one.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
10:33 pm
“Of course given that fire is a part of combat its a reasonable assumption they have pretty good idea of what to do and how to follow orders.”
Ever fight a fire, JDW?
Ever train with or spend time with firefighters, JDW?
Can you spot the movement of a fire from ground level, JDW?
You, like our joke of a President, don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about.
JDW
June 29th, 2012
10:33 pm
Now while I truly hate to do this since you have all come out of hiding and I won’t have this much fun till November, I have been informed that I have other duties to attend this evening so I shall have to bid you adieu.
jconservative
June 29th, 2012
10:33 pm
“I found it interesting that Roberts stood ALONE on the individual mandate being Constitutional as a tax.”
This is incorrect.
The four dissenters on the Commerce Clause felt that the Commerce Clause defense was constitutional. They also felt that the tax defense was also constitutional, and voted accordingly.
That made the decision a 5 – 4.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
10:37 pm
Dusty,
Billionaires united was the worst decision the sc ever made.
They are gone alright, gone corporate activists.
Clooney can raise billions overseas and Soros can donate a billion.
They legalized unlimited bribes.
Does that bother you?
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
10:37 pm
brucie, it only takes one click on the submit button. Relax, the nice young men in white coats will be over shortly to give you something to make you feel all better. They might put one of those nice white jackets on you, with those neat straps you like so much when you lose control of your reflexes – like when you hit the submit button twice.
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
10:37 pm
JDW 10:30
Let’s just say I disagree with you as do the facts. Your pomposity predominates your perceptions. You are too self inflated to know what the majority are saying….and that explains a lot.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
10:39 pm
JDW:
“(Reuters) – Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney raised $4.6 million in the 24 hours following the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold President Barack Obama’s healthcare law.
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul said via Twitter on Friday that the former Massachusetts governor had raised the money through 47,000 online donations. “Thanks for everyone’s support for #FullRepeal!” she tweeted, referring to the candidate’s vow to repeal and replace the healthcare law if he is elected president on November 6.
Obama’s campaign said they had also raised a lot of money since the Supreme Court issued its ruling, but officials would not give any figures to back up the assertion.”
Wonder why the Obama campaign all of a sudden is so mum about their fundraising? Not like they don’t like to spike the ball every chance they get.
Of course, they’re lying when they claim they’ve raised a lot of money in this same time period. They just can’t help themselves. It’s in their DNA.
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
10:39 pm
getalife
Your dementia is more bothersome than the politics you preach.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
10:39 pm
jconservative
Want to try that again? What are you saying is incorrect?
getalife
June 29th, 2012
10:40 pm
ti,
Did you see our President in Colorado today?
They can use your expertise in fighting fires genius.
Tenacity365
June 29th, 2012
10:41 pm
To micheal h. Smith
Republican against taxes for corporations for the rich.who imploded our finanvial structure under George Bush and now they say no to everything Obama proposes to make him look bad. Obama wants to tax the rich arleast as much % as the poor and middle class and stop giving companies special damn benifits for leaving our country. With republiv
cans the back bone to capitalism will dissapear ,no more middle class.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
10:45 pm
Dusty,
Unlimited bribes are okay with you.
Good to know.
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
10:46 pm
Doesn’t look too happy during his Holder contempt vote
Guess he heard about the Obamacara decision……..
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/pelosi-boehner-photo-captures-emotions-health-care-decision-170119810.html
The Kid
June 29th, 2012
10:46 pm
You guys are boring tonight. Michael H. Smith, be a good boy and go to bed.
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
10:49 pm
Did anyone see the president in Washington DC today fighting “fires”? NO.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
10:49 pm
“The four dissenters on the Commerce Clause felt that the Commerce Clause defense was constitutional. They also felt that the tax defense was also constitutional, and voted accordingly.”
jconservative, please READ before you post. They voted for the RESULT, but not for the reason. Why did they write a separate dissent SPECIFYING their disagreement with Roberts’ reasoning?
getalife
June 29th, 2012
10:50 pm
This election is about jobs not health care.
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
10:51 pm
The Kid 10:46
Now they are letting children blog here.
Uh Oh
June 29th, 2012
10:53 pm
Political differences and jabs aside, everyone enjoy the weekend.
Be safe and stay cool
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
10:56 pm
Tiberius…10:49
“Robert’s reasoning”? Surely you jest.
Hillbilly D
June 29th, 2012
10:57 pm
Speaking of wild fires. Once in my younger days, some people let a fire get out of hand (they were burning in conditions about like now, which was stupid, but I digress). The fire quickly jumped the river and took off. Somebody from the forest service came in to put it out and started to cut a fire break with a bulldozer. Don’t know where he was from because he cut his firebreak at the base of a big hill. As most any hillbilly knows, given the nature of hills and updrafts, the fire jumped right across the break like it wasn’t there and went up the hill at lightning speed. Somebody who knew what they were doing finally got everybody headed in the right direction and they eventually got the fire out. It probably burned 40 or 50 acres before they did, though. They were fortunate that no houses were involved, although it came mighty close to one.
Moral of the story: You can do as much harm as good, if you don’t know what you’re doing.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
10:58 pm
getaclue, it is NOW about jobs AND healthcare, because this country’s ability to pay it’s bills goes directly to creating a thriving economy, and this bill adds TRILLIONS to our debt. And healthcare is about to be dropped for millions of Americans from their private plans which work, to lower-value government plans that work for existing patients today, but won’t be available to new patients tomorrow.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
10:58 pm
Dusty,
There will be no Katrina from this President.
I am still amazed he got bp to pay 8 billion for the oil spill.
Then jindal said he will not implement his heath care plan.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
11:00 pm
ti,
Nothing but lies as usual.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
11:01 pm
Dustry, I think Roberts’ vote and reasoning (and yes, you can have poor reasoning skills) looks good in the short term, but will fail the test of history, and NOT because it allowed Obamacare to go forward. THAT disaster will be seen in the very short term.
Roberts’ decision will be seen as damaging in the long lens of historical perspective from a court vs. activist Congress standpoint, and it won’t be pretty.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
11:01 pm
Tenacity365
You don’t have capitalism under obumer .
Try getting a few facts to mix in with your irate mostly false rant. Oh and by the way, how about some cheese to go along with that wine?
obumer has taxed the living hell out of the lower and middle incomes and the sad thing is that people like you don’t even know how he did it and worse, if I told you how you would never understand it.
And, and, I’m not even talking about obumercare. That five trillion dollars of spending that has taken place under obumer devalued the money in your pockets, raised the price of everything you buy and the interest we will all pay will take more money right out of our paychecks as middle and lower income earners every week for many years to come. Inflation is the worst form of taxation imaginable and it is out there I don’t care what lies come out of DC. The truth is at the grocery store where we buy food to eat.
If you can honestly say or if you believe that you are better off as a result of obumer being President then vote for him.
I don’t and millions of others, likely the majority of this country, don’t see themselves as better off today than they were nearly four years ago before became dear ruler obumer of his transformed America and became a self appointed law unto himself.
and,
The Kid
June 29th, 2012
11:02 pm
Dusty; you sound like a white boy who realizes that it’s not a dream that a brother is the president. Your nightmare will continue for another presidential term. How sad for poor little you.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
11:02 pm
My questions about fire fighting to JDW are also directed at YOU, getaclue.
Answer them.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
11:04 pm
I see getaclue is now using the “liar, liar, pants on fire” method of debate response.
Typical.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
11:06 pm
Better off than a total economic collapse and two lost occupations?
Duh.
mikey is not that bright..
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
11:06 pm
getalife, 10:58
The president has made this whole country into a “Katrina”. We are drowning in debt and he hasn’t noticed. Obamacare will be another open floodgate to sink us..
As Hillbilly’s story illustrates, when you don’t know what you are doing you can do a lot of damage. The president gives us the perfect example.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
11:07 pm
The Kid
June 29th, 2012
10:46 pm
You and your dumbmasses marxist ilk always bore the hell out of me. By the way, did any of us boring conservative people ask you to show your ugly butt on this blog and make your idiotic comments?
getalife
June 29th, 2012
11:09 pm
ti,
You are a consistent liar.
Everything you wrote about health care are lies.
cons did the same thing after Medicare and none of the lies turned out to be true.
I believe in credibility.
You have none.
Michael H. Smith
June 29th, 2012
11:11 pm
Goodnight to all and peaceful evening to my good conservative fellows.
Up and done it now
June 29th, 2012
11:11 pm
Michael
Doesn’t matter if you asked him or not………
Create your own blog if you want to be the boss
getalife
June 29th, 2012
11:12 pm
Dusty,
I guess you ignore the big pile of stinking crap w handed him but I will never forget.
w was way over his head from day one.
This President is competent and you hate that.
Makes w look even worse.
Pizzaman
June 29th, 2012
11:13 pm
No replacement facts yet. Didn’t expect any because there are none!
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
11:14 pm
Answer the questions about fire fighting, getaclue!
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
11:15 pm
the KId,
Now they let bigoted children blog.
Our president is my brother just as much as yours. All people are brothers and sisters. But that does not make him a good leader. The president has shown his inability quite well. Lack of leadership is the problem. .
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
11:15 pm
“cons did the same thing after Medicare and none of the lies turned out to be true.”
Yeah, Medicare is only trillions of dollars worse, and bankrupting our country.
FACT!
getalife
June 29th, 2012
11:15 pm
No ti, I will not.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
11:18 pm
I accept your surrender, getaclue.
getalife
June 29th, 2012
11:18 pm
ti,
Like I said, you are a consistent liar.
Dusty
June 29th, 2012
11:19 pm
getalife,
I have noticed the big pile you mentioned. But I can’t help but wonder. Why does the president keep adding to the pile making it bigger and bigger?
td
June 29th, 2012
11:23 pm
getalife
June 29th, 2012
11:09 pm
Here are some facts for you. Obama has 21 new taxes attached to his healthcare bill.
Your personal healthcare plan is now considered wages and you will pay a tax on it.
If you own property and rent it out then you will pay Medicare taxes on rental income. If you are a renter then your rent will be raised to cover this cost.
There are 19 other taxes that will be raised and your premiums will not be going down.
Obama has just raised taxes more then ANY American President on the working poor and the middle class.
Tenacity365
June 29th, 2012
11:24 pm
Micheal H Smith
People like me huh?People like me realized wallstreet has gone crazy with alot of help from repubs who were trying to defund the wallstreet police after new powers were given last year. As far as the current finacial situation George Bushs policy of deregulation made conditions ripe for billions to be.stolen and bank were allowed to take advantage of people which ultimately led to our debt. So I know the causes and your attempt to deflect all resposibilities from the repubs for the current state of affairs.micheal you sound like the most biased fox news member, do you really not see that no moderates in the republican party has led to there downfall they are to Right and smart for the American peoples own good.
The Kid
June 29th, 2012
11:24 pm
Michael didn’t say goodnight to me. Oh boo hoo. Dusty, you will;… won’t you. It’s not my fought that you guys ended up with spineless Romney. He laid the groundwork for ObamaCare;… didn’t he?
Eric
June 29th, 2012
11:26 pm
I still can’t believe the S.C. upheld this. How could anyone think Obamacare is constitutional. I choose to be uninsured because I don’t believe in forking over my hard-earned dollars to overpaid doctors, hospitals, etc. (”thieves”). So I will not comply with the ruling either.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
11:28 pm
“As far as the current finacial situation George Bushs policy of deregulation made conditions ripe for billions to be.stolen and bank were allowed to take advantage of people which ultimately led to our debt.”
Really, Tenacity?
Name the specific bill(s) passed under GWB’s term that “made conditions ripe” for our recession.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 29th, 2012
11:29 pm
“He laid the groundwork for ObamaCare;… didn’t he?”
No, he didn’t. But you keep spouting those DNC talking points.
yuzeyurbrane
June 29th, 2012
11:31 pm
Kyle, you almost praised Chief Justice Roberts for upholding the rule of law. Come on, you can do it like you did in your column on the Arizona immigration law decision. I really think you want to but it makes things uncomfortable with your usual circle of supporters. And if all the what ifs you said could happen as far as President Obama getting reelected come to pass, I suspect you will be very pleased with Obamacare some day. It is the free market solution as the Heritage Foundation first described the concept and as enacted by Governor Romney.
Pizzaman
June 29th, 2012
11:48 pm
Your all iditos!
Get Real
June 29th, 2012
11:50 pm
I see get-a-douche is off his meds again; what a painful read…
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:01 am
Do you cons ever get a gop talking point and think that it could not be right?
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:04 am
Like willard is going to repeal willardcare.
Then he said he would keep some parts of it.
I got news for ya, it does not matter because willard is too weak to be President.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
12:07 am
“Do you cons ever get a gop talking point and think that it could not be right?”
Please tell us what you think might be a GOP talking point.
Oh, sorry! Responding to you with a “what you think” request! What was I thinking?
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:12 am
“And healthcare is about to be dropped for millions of Americans from their private plans which work, to lower-value government plans that work for existing patients today, but won’t be available to new patients tomorrow”
Then this whopper of a lie:
“He laid the groundwork for ObamaCare;… didn’t he?”
No, he didn’t.”
Yes, he did and you are not man enough to tell the truth.
You run from it like a child.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
12:15 am
Wow, heads exploding over here as well.
Kyle’s blog has Smitty’s gray matter splattered all over it.
It’ s marathon and not a sprint, you’ll never make the last four months at this rate.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
12:35 am
Getaclue, your problem (like most liberals) is that you have no concept of “cause and effect”.. You have zero capacity to understand the unintended consequences of a bill that almost no one understands.
I do. On BOTH counts.
And Romneycare resembles Obamacare like you resemble logic.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
12:43 am
I do. On BOTH counts.
Maybe you can explain that whole “pride goeth before a fall” thingie.
But first, rehearse the explanation in the mirror.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
7:18 am
Maybe YOU can explain that whole “I have no idea why I post here, because I have nothing of substance to contribute” thingie, Kamchak.
Since contributing nothing of substance is your modus operandi.
AU Liberal in ATL
June 30th, 2012
7:32 am
Having the ability to string together a group of words is no indication of intelligence. What those words say is the real indicator. In this particular case, the words of Michael H. Smith are a clear indication that he’s suffering not only from an obvious Napoleon complex, but that he’s also severely challenged in varies and sundry other ways. If ignorance truly is bliss, he must be the happiest SOB this side of the Mason Dixon Line.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
7:43 am
So, AU Lib, are you enjoying your largest single tax increase in the history of this nation this morning, or the largest single increase of the debt in the history of this nation? I keep getting confused as to which (or both) this ruling means.
carlosgvv
June 30th, 2012
7:55 am
It’s entirely possible Justice Roberts loves power every bit as much as any politician. It may be conservatives in the House and Senate were persuaded, by a number of Court conservative decisions, that Roberts and the other Republican Justiceds were theirs to command. If so, Roberts, at least, has given them a rude awakening. I hope this is the case and that he will make it clear he’s nobody’s tool.
carlosgvv
June 30th, 2012
7:58 am
Tiberius – 7:43
A detailed study of ALL tax and national debt increases in American history would show this ruling is NOT the largest increase in history.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
June 30th, 2012
7:58 am
Still waiting for a lib to answer the question of how Obozo plans to pay for the $800 billion cost overrun of Obozocare over the next decade.
Pizzaman
June 30th, 2012
7:59 am
Still waiting for the Teapublican “replacement” details. How ’bout it “TB…BFBFL”, what do your guys plan to do? Or is it as I suspect, all talk, no plan!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
June 30th, 2012
8:05 am
Most of what needs to be in the Republican plan is undoing the Democrat schemes that have so funked up our health care system for the last 50+ years. People need to be more responsible for their own health care–we need to get folks to stop thinking that their health care costs are supposed to be paid by someone else.
Long story short, lose the Democrat parasite mentality.
GT
June 30th, 2012
8:09 am
Win the election and the floor is tour’s. Maybe we will show the majority mandate a little more respect than you have shown us. Maybe we believe the vote not the fickle polls is the power of this nation. Our agenda is not above the will of the people. That is the reason we won’t lose in November.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
8:15 am
carlos, your next “detailed study” would be your first “detailed study”.
You libs have no clue what the effect of this law will do to the budget and taxing increases coming up, because you don’t understand “cause and effect”.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
8:16 am
“Still waiting for the Teapublican “replacement” details.”
Google and reading comprehension are your friends, Pizzaman.
Just because you have not taken advantage of either, doesn’t mean the specific plans are not out there.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
8:19 am
“Maybe we believe the vote not the fickle polls is the power of this nation.”
You mean the “fickle” polls that haven’t changed since day one that a majority of people want this law repealed?
Those fickle polls, GT?
carlosgvv
June 30th, 2012
8:39 am
Tiberius – 8:15
So, all us “libs” are just dumb and, somehow, you are smarter than all of us? The scary thing is, you actually believe this.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
8:56 am
“So, all us “libs” are just dumb and, somehow, you are smarter than all of us?”
No, carlos, just most of you.
You look at outcomes based on “want”. Intelligent people look at outcomes based on facts and the probabilities that result from them.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
9:00 am
Maybe YOU can explain that whole “I have no idea why I post here, because I have nothing of substance to contribute” thingie, Kamchak.
Since contributing nothing of substance is your modus operandi.
Shorter Sunspot Dave: I know everything and SHUT UP!
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
9:01 am
If it will make you stay away, Kamchak . . . .
Mr_B
June 30th, 2012
9:09 am
“You mean the “fickle” polls that haven’t changed since day one that a majority of people want this law repealed?”
Tiberius,why does it follow that a majority who don’t like ACA actually want it repealed. I don’t like it, but I want to see it improved, not ditched. I have a feeling that there are many others like me.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
9:11 am
I wondered how long it would take for your hubris to get the better of you over here, Sunspot. Just remember, there are those of us who witnessed your epic melt-down and subsequent blog suicide next door and know that it was ultimately the unintended consequence of you outing your own self next door by exposing your real identity.
You yourself, through your own hubris, revealed enough information about yourself to getalife that ultimately resulted in your departure next door.
Remember these facts when you start popping off at the mouth about how much you understand unintended consequences.
JDW
June 30th, 2012
9:19 am
@Tiberius…”You mean the “fickle” polls that haven’t changed since day one that a majority of people want this law repealed?”
Yep those are the ones…about 50% oppose the law. Of the 50 25% do so because IT IS NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH. Do your math like a good boy and you can figure out that the hard core opposed equals around 34% of the electorate, just a bit more than there are Republicans.
So you can easily understand that all Republicans along with just a few others are opposed. I am
especially given that it was a Republican idea all along…
Conceived by the Heritage Foundation, supported by two of the last three Republican Candidates for President (before it was in a Democratic bill of course), signed into law by a Republican Governor who is now the Republican presumptive nominee and introduced as legislation by a Republicans into the Senate in 1993 by 19 Republican sponsors.
JDW
June 30th, 2012
9:21 am
@Tiberius…”You look at outcomes based on “want”. Intelligent people look at outcomes based on facts and the probabilities that result from them.”
Indeed, and when I told you the other day I thought the ruling on immigration signaled a move toward federal rights by Roberts you didn’t believe me.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
9:25 am
“Tiberius,why does it follow that a majority who don’t like ACA actually want it repealed.”
Mr. B, those ARE the people who want it repealed. That’s what the poll question asked.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
9:26 am
I thought you were taking your own suggestion, Upchuck . . . .
JDW
June 30th, 2012
9:27 am
@Tiberius…”Mr. B, those ARE the people who want it repealed. That’s what the poll question asked.”
And as my 9:19 notes and Mr. B tells you 25% of those want it repealed BECAUSE IT IS NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
9:28 am
“Indeed, and when I told you the other day I thought the ruling on immigration signaled a move toward federal rights by Roberts you didn’t believe me.”
And his ruling in favor of Congress’ role in taxation and NOT an expansion of the Commerce Clause is a move towards Federal rights – how – JDW?
Another epic fail on your part.
Gonna bail on that like you did the fire fighting questions last night?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
9:30 am
“And as my 9:19 notes and Mr. B tells you 25% of those want it repealed BECAUSE IT IS NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH.”
Thanks for admitting that my “majority of people want it repealed” comment was correct, JDW.
I won’t be waiting for an apology from you.
JDW
June 30th, 2012
9:32 am
@Tiberius…”Another epic fail on your part.”
I see, I was correct, but since you think it was a bad decision I was still wrong…do you ever listen to yourself? You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you on the rear.
JDW
June 30th, 2012
9:34 am
@Tiberius…”Thanks for admitting that my “majority of people want it repealed” comment was correct, JDW.”
Never denied it…now tell me just what % of the 25% that think the bill was NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH are likely supporters of Romney….tick….tock
That would be ZERO leaving 66% of the electorate supporting the President on the issue.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
9:36 am
“Conceived by the Heritage Foundation, supported by two of the last three Republican Candidates for President (before it was in a Democratic bill of course), signed into law by a Republican Governor who is now the Republican presumptive nominee and introduced as legislation by a Republicans into the Senate in 1993 by 19 Republican sponsors.”
Except, of course, that the Heritage Foundation is not an elected body nor associated with the Republican Party in any way, that it wasn’t supported by two of the last three Republican candidates for President, it wasn’t signed into law by a Republican Governor who is now the presumptive nominee, and the 18 co-sponsors of the bill had mixed feelings about the mandate in the overall health care reform bill that was submitted but were willing to see a measure start forward . . .
. . . you pretty much nailed it, JDW
But you’ve got your DNC talking points down pat this morning, and I sure you will repeat them ad nauseum throughout the rest of this campaign in a lame effort to describe fiction as fact.
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
9:37 am
Well, it looks like another bad offshoot of the current Obamacareless is the incoming surge of ill-mannered, chest beating. officious liberals from Bookman’s blog. Looks like they couldn’t stand each other over there and came to the GOOD place so they could ruin that.
If the best you can do is come here and call names and tell people to SHUT UP, better you go find another playground. This one is for adults with good sense.
In the meantime, I am preparing for a birthday party. Maybe you liberals could go and burn some flags and get ready for a party on the Fourth. LIberals could celebrate another day towards socialism. Free! Free! Everything free!! Golly Gee! Guv’mint healthcare FREE!!!
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
9:40 am
“I see, I was correct”
Weak reading comprehension on your part this morning, JDW. As usual.
Your call on the vote was correct (again, based on hope, not facts or conclusions).
Your call as to the reasons behind the vote (the expansion of Federal power) was grossly off the mark, and you supported the Commerce Clause argument, and I (and Roberts) did not.
There was NO Federal expansion of powers in the ruling. In fact, it specifically LIMITED the role of government in using the Commerce Clause as a means to do anything Congress wished to do under the guise of commerce.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
9:47 am
The rage here is absolutely palpable this morning. LOL. (Especially at Dave R.)
Twas indeed a bad week for the Dead Red, Lily White Party of Mooches.
And the kicker is that they got whacked by one of their own.
Deliciously ironic.
Just quit freeloading off of the rest of us and buy your own damn insurance. (If you can afford it. BWA!)
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
9:56 am
See what I mean! AMVET, the scourge of good manners, good policy and good sense, roaming the blogs so he can place insults somewhere besides Bookman’s.
Too bad he doesn’t get help. But….some people are impossible to help. He seems to be one of ‘em!
Michael H Smith's Laundry
June 30th, 2012
9:58 am
Your white sheets are ready. Please come get them.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
9:58 am
Wow. AmVet complaining about others’ freeloading.
The irony is thick here this morning. Much like AmVet’s head.
JDW
June 30th, 2012
10:02 am
@Tiberius…”a lame effort to describe fiction as fact.”
Well lets talk fact and fiction…
“the Heritage Foundation is not an elected body nor associated with the Republican Party in any way”
From their website “…whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.”
Why I believe they hit EVERY Republican theme…not associated with the Republican Party…just every member of the Heritage Foundations is also a member of the Republican Party…nope no link here.
JDW 1 Tiberius 0
“that it wasn’t supported by two of the last three Republican candidates for President”
Really….
Mitt Romeny 2006…”With regards to the mandate, the individual responsibility program which I proposed, I was very pleased to see that the compromise from the two houses includes the personal responsibility principle, that is essential for bringing health care costs down for everyone, and for getting everybody the health insurance they deserve and need. So I was very pleased with that development.”
That’s not only support that’s ownership
Newt Gingrich 2009…”We believe that there should be must-carry, that everybody should have health insurance, or if you’re an absolute libertarian, we would allow you to post a bond, but we would not allow people to be “free riders” failing to insure themselves and then showing up in the emergency room with no means of payment. If you have must carry, then the insurance companies have told us that we can have must-issue, and you will therefore have a system in which you don’t have to worry about cherry-picking and maneuvering.”
In direct response to a question on the Individual Mandate…
That’s two out of three…
JDW 2 Tiberius 0
Then you claim
“it wasn’t signed into law by a Republican Governor who is now the presumptive nominee”
Why lookie there that’s Mitt Romney’s signature on the MA bill with an Individual Mandate…yes the same Mitt Romney who is now the presumptive Republican nominee…
JDW 3 Tiberius 0
Then you try to slide this one in the corner pocket…
“the 18 co-sponsors of the bill had mixed feelings about the mandate in the overall health care reform bill that was submitted but were willing to see a measure start forward ”
First off, NO ONE, in Congress sponsors a bill with mixed feelings. They might support one with mixed feelings but not sponsor. Then from FactCheck.org…
“It would be accurate to say that a number of Republicans — including several high-profile senators — supported a bill or a subsequent proposal that included an individual mandate provision.”
Nope no mixed feelings there…
Final tally
JDW 4 Tiberius 0
Better polish your game…you have been skunked.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:03 am
MHS Laundry, pleas repost anything of Michael H. Smith’s that makes you believe (based on the post) that his disagreements with this administration are because of race, rather than policy.
I will not be holding my breath waiting for your reply.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Dave R, you mooch and parasite.
You Republicants are some silly ass whiners and really, really, really poor losers.
Get used to it guppies. The forecast for the rest of the year is more ……………………………………. pain.
How many times last week did YOU stupidly gloat over your expected victory?
Rube.
And Dusty go stuff your face with a few Triple Whoppers and some Super-sized fries. And be sure to wash it down with a diet Coke! Hope you can afford your health insurance!
Huge LOL at you neocons…
MarkV
June 30th, 2012
10:11 am
Dusty @9:37 am
“LIberals could celebrate another day towards socialism. Free! Free! Everything free!! Golly Gee! Guv’mint healthcare FREE!!!”
True to the form, Dusty continues the disingenuous misinterpretation of the efforts to legislate universal health care insurance as giving healthcare FREE to some people. As matter of fact, just the opposite is true. In the absence of universal health care insurance, many people are getting health care FREE.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:12 am
“Why I believe they hit EVERY Republican theme…not associated with the Republican Party”
Admitting my contention was correct. Tiberius 1, JDW, 0
Mitt Romney has NEVER supported an Federal individual mandate. Tiberius 2, JDW 0
“Why lookie there that’s Mitt Romney’s signature on the MA bill with an Individual Mandate”
Yes, on a STATE mandate, not a Federal one. Tiberius 3, JDW 0 (btw, Romney won’t be signing Federal legislation into effect until Feburary of 2013)
“First off, NO ONE, in Congress sponsors a bill with mixed feelings.”
Actually, many do in order to get the overall bill working, and then work to tweak the bill later in the committee process, but you wouldn’t know that having never worked in government or served in an elected capacity. Tiberius 4, JDW 0
“It would be accurate to say that a number of Republicans — including several high-profile senators — supported a bill or a subsequent proposal that included an individual mandate provision.”
FactCheck.org (the liberal-leaning site funded by Soros) isn’t exactly a great source of accurate information. In fact, what you copied from them is a desperate hope that supporting a bill means supporting EVERYTHING in the bill, including a specific proposal IN the bill, which of course, isn’t the case in real life.
Final tally: Tiberius 5, JDW 0.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
10:14 am
Dave R is Kyle’s Charlie Sheen. LOOK AT ME! A WINNER!
Dave, hope you’re enjoying this globally cooled weekend.
Must be those sunspots you used to write about.
Stay thirsty, my non-friend…
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:17 am
“you mooch and parasite.”
For free.
You may now go crying back to your Bookman womb.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
10:17 am
I am ALMOST feel sorry for you Republisheep. Screwed by one of your own.
Don’t roget to thank Justice Roberts and NEVER, EVER forget Saint Ronnie’s 11th Commandment!
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:18 am
“If the best you can do is come here and call names and tell people to SHUT UP, better you go find another playground. This one is for adults with good sense. ”
Tiberius, Lil Barry, Michael Smith are all name callers I missed where you called them out.
Don’t be the pot calling the kettle black
You must be eating selective condemnation for breakfast. Goes great on oatmeal
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:19 am
Tiberius
Counting up what he calls “wins” as if his daddy Wingfield sends him little gold stars
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:20 am
“You may now go crying back to your Bookman womb.”
Same one you thought you ruled until you were aborted
carlosgvv
June 30th, 2012
10:20 am
Tiberius
You are apparently unaware that Obamacare and RomneyCare are virtually identical.
I wonder why that is?
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
10:21 am
Dave, why do you hate the troops so much?
Are you a commie? Or just a terrorist coddling peacnik?
Instead of being a draft dodger like Dickie C and Saxby C, you could have served too.
You know, service before self, a code of honor and all that jazz.
Too bad, so sad. Must suck to be you this weekend!
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:21 am
Let’s see. The girl who admits to taking their health care from the taxpayers for free, is calling someone who has never taken a dime of taxpayer money they didn’t earn in salary a “moocher and parasite”.
Oh, and who has never used a medical facility I didn’t pay for.
Got it, sweetie.
Is there any wonder why conservatives constantly question the intelligence level of liberals, and rightly so?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:22 am
“I missed where you called them out.”
Wow. You missing something.
Not surprised one bit.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:24 am
If the shoe fits Tib? wear it and wear it well.
You fit the same category that Dusty was crying about in that selective condemnation post
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
10:24 am
Conservative?
HUGE GUFFAW!!!
You wouldn’t know a conservative if one fell in your lap.
You are a Republican. A neocon. A Bushbot. A fraud.
To you conservative means nothing more than hating all non-Republicans and all foreigners.
It ain’t.
And you ain’t, globally cooled one…
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:28 am
“Dave, why do you hate the troops so much?”
I don’t. Just those that have sold out their principles. Like you.
“Are you a commie?”
Nope. A Constitutionalist.
“Or just a terrorist coddling peacnik?”
I do have a military non-interference code of ethics; ethics being something you are unfamiliar with, AmWet. My code is that we don’t attack anyone until attacked, and wipe them out to the last combatant with unrestricted firepower if they choose to do so.
“Instead of being a draft dodger like Dickie C and Saxby C, you could have served too.”
Actually, I couldn’t. The draft had ended at the time of my 18th birthday, and I chose to serve VOLUNTARILY 3 years later. Got any other incorrect accusations to hurl this morning, sweetie?
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:29 am
Have a great day Tiberius
Maybe you can come up with more spin and rhetoric on how Robert’s gave the Republicans / conservatives a victory with his vote on Obamacare.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:31 am
“You are apparently unaware that Obamacare and RomneyCare are virtually identical.”
You are apparently unaware that Romneycare and Obamacare are miles apart in similarities, carlos.
I wonder, “Why is that?”
Remember, Bubba, I’m from Massachusetts. You have to work a LOT harder to debunk my knowledge of things that happened there.
JDW
June 30th, 2012
10:32 am
@carlosgvv…”I wonder why that is?”
Tiberius seems to have a real problem with facts and reality…I think he is delusional and could use some professional help. Of course the November results may just drive him right off the edge….
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
10:34 am
Dave, quit lying.
And learn to live with your many failures and your cowardice.
Your economic liberal, chickenhawks just got beeotch slapped for the ages and now have a legacy of losing on the biggest stage ever.
Again, quit sucking off of the rest of America and start paying your own way for once. And tell your lazy nephews and cousins and kids to get a freaking job.
Either that or just outsource yourselves to India or the Philippines or China or…
LOL.
Oh BTW, between killing OBL and watching you nuts go down the toilet last week, the president just phoned the Great Socialist Flip Flopping RINO and said, “Thanks for the second term”.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:34 am
“Maybe you can come up with more spin and rhetoric on how Robert’s gave the Republicans / conservatives a victory with his vote on Obamacare.”
Still missing things, I see.
I have already admitted the victory for Obamacare as a law, but unlike you, I can think of the more subtle nuances behind the decision and the dissent.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:36 am
“I can think of the more subtle nuances behind the decision and the dissent.”
blah, blah blah and just because you think it does it make it true
Most thought including you the law was going to be struck down…… case in point
Next
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:37 am
“quit lying.”
Please articulate in great specificity what I have lied about, AmWet.
If not, STFU.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:38 am
But keep trying Tiberius
Just hold the emotion down so you don’t throw a tantrum like a 3 yr old and start calling names as you did over at Bookman’s
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
10:39 am
I thought you were taking your own suggestion, Upchuck . . . .
Don’t think, meat; it can only hurt the ball club.
BTW, did you really hose the H______ family out of nearly a quarter million dollars?
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:39 am
“If not, STFU.” (from guess who)
Dusty do you need proof as to my reply to your post?
InAtl
June 30th, 2012
10:40 am
JDW, it is you who has trouble with facts. Tiberius nails you every time, and you try to pretend he doesn’t.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:40 am
“Most thought including you the law was going to be struck down’
And as I have shown through my posts, I believed the law would be struck down due to the Commerce Clause being an invalid means to penalizing people for inactivity. And I was, once again, right that the Commerce Clause was an invalid criteria.
No one except Chief Justice Roberts believed that the taxation powers of Congress would have supplied the majority with a vote they never expected, even if they firmly disagreed with his conclusion as well.
carlosgvv
June 30th, 2012
10:40 am
Tiberius – 10:31
Look it up, punkie.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
Oblama
June 30th, 2012
10:40 am
ObamaTax …. socialism is a cancer on the soul.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:41 am
“BTW, did you really hose the H______ family out of nearly a quarter million dollars?”
No, it is false. Do you REALLY want to go down that road?
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:42 am
spinning like a top
keep up the great work….. don’t get too dizzy
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:43 am
Carlos, if you are going to insist on using decidedly biased and liberal sources for your “proof” then we’re simply not going to have an intellectual discussion about any issue.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
10:44 am
Subtle nuances?
Riiiiight.
STFU? Tsk, tsk, tsk, free speech hater. Besides, make me, would be bully. Chuckle.
You faux cons are in full scale retreat now and your All White Circus in Tampa is going to be hysterical to watch.
How many meltdowns will happen there and who will be the next vein-popping, ultra-enraged Zell Miller?
Questions for the faithful:
Will the GOP’s
War on WomenFull Scale Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights be showcased or run from?Will the staggering lack of minorities, ethnicities and religions there and in the GOP itself be touched with 3.084 meter pole?
Will Sarah Palin be consulted as to your next VP candidate?
Good times on the funny farm…
td
June 30th, 2012
10:44 am
JDW
June 30th, 2012
9:34 am
You are dreaming my friend. If your statement was true then the Dems would still be in control of the US house of reps.
Also, how do you explain $4.5 million dollars in small donations from middle class voters to Romney within 24 hours of the ruling?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
10:45 am
Do you REALLY want to go down that road?
(Shrug) Meh…don’t really care, I was merely asking.
You sure don’t want any part of that road.
At least 3 videos on youtube have really taken you to task for it, though.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:45 am
A certain leg-humper has now typed nearly 10 post directed at me, and not a single one to the issue at hand.
Is there any wonder that liberals can’t argue the substance of any issue?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:47 am
“don’t really care, I was merely asking.”
Yeah, right.
Videos from crazy people who have had injunctions against them for stalking. Nice to know you have some great sources for your insinuations.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
10:47 am
Cue the “Yerkes Primate Center” card in 3…2…1….
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:48 am
I accept your surrender on the accusing me of lying question, AmWet.
Thanks for playing.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:51 am
Hope anyone isn’t getting caught up in any money laundering, ponzi or pyramid investment schemes?
For that matter would even be associated with people who do
Stay honest my friends
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
10:51 am
Davey, how does you own putrid medicine taste to you? Yummy?
You dish it out by the shovel fulls every single day but have a helluva time taking it back.
Funny.
And do not tell me that you expect for it to be paid for by the insurance companies! Pay for your own damn birth control, you parasite.
You faketriots are nothing more than sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis.
And I want the videos.
And write your congressman, and tell him that global warming is a hoax, OK?
Toodles. The weekend calls…
DannyX
June 30th, 2012
10:56 am
GIBSON: ”Governor … you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?”
ROMNEY: ”Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way; don’t be free-riders.”
LMAO!!!
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
10:56 am
“Pay for your own damn birth control, you parasite.”
I already did, AmWet. It is called a vasectomy. And I paid for it, too (Oh, God, did I pay for it . . .). Too bad your Daddy didn’t have one before you were downloaded.
“And write your congressman, and tell him that global warming is a hoax, OK?”
Done. Years ago and every year since.
And I have no trouble taking your crap and sending it right back at you knowing you can’t back up your posts one tiny bit.
md
June 30th, 2012
10:58 am
“Debt solutions will take time down the road.”
Wonder if that is how we ended up with 16 T in debt…….the can is still there but the road is getting longer.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
10:59 am
Some claim to have never utilized a tax dollar they didn’t earn, but as for other folk’s money……. well that is up for interpretation………..
Tib: Isn’t that a shame when people do that?
Should be illegal, but you know how some are able to out smart the law via legalities and such
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:00 am
JDW has sure been quiet since my smackdown of him.
It must be taking longer to get a reply from the DNC due to the pre-holiday weekend.
md
June 30th, 2012
11:01 am
Hmmm…..is the stagnation of real wages directly related to our own buying habits and trade imbalance?
Why yes they are……but denial is strong on these here blogs………….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
11:01 am
…….the can is still there but the road is getting longer.
Petty one liner.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:01 am
“Some claim to have never utilized a tax dollar they didn’t earn, but as for other folk’s money……. well that is up for interpretation………..
Tib: Isn’t that a shame when people do that? ”
Wouldn’t know.
Your point . . . leg-humper?
md
June 30th, 2012
11:03 am
“Should be illegal, but you know how some are able to out smart the law via legalities and such”
Outsmart the law?? Don’t know if that is really possible……it’s either within the law or it’s not………
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:04 am
md, ignore my leg-humper.
She thinks she knows something about me she really has no clue about.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
11:04 am
Tib
Just asking a question in general seeing your the expert around here
No need to huff and puff and get all red faced
md
June 30th, 2012
11:05 am
“Outsmart the law??”
I take that back……since our own President has shown that if one doesn’t like the law then it should just be ignored………….
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
11:09 am
Where did the money go?
What happened to it?
md
June 30th, 2012
11:12 am
And now for the irony of an Obama administration:
Every citizen must prove they have insurance, but we don’t all have to prove we are citizens…….
JDW
June 30th, 2012
11:12 am
Tiberius…”Tiberius nails you every time, and you try to pretend he doesn’t.”
The only thing Tiberius nails is well a nail. Assuming he gets his thumb out of the way.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:13 am
Are you addressing me, leg-humper?
And what money?
Again, do you REALLY want to go down this road? Because I can assure you, if you are relying on some videos on youtube for your information, I’d do a whole lot more research on the accuracy of the allegations and background of the poster before you go down that particular road.
Remember, I am no longer a public official, and the immunity you might have had from libel laws no longer applies to you.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:14 am
Welcome back, JDW. Did you get you next set of lying talking points from the DNC?
Or are you going to go this alone?
MarkV
June 30th, 2012
11:15 am
The way the Obamacare opponents argue about the “individual mandate” is particularly corrupt. When the issue first comes up, their arguments are all about liberty and freedom of choice. But when it is pointed up that Romney signed into law an individual mandate, and he and others praised that approach, suddenly the liberty and freedom of choice go in the air and it is all about other issues: not consistent with commerce clause, denial of state rights. In other words, if all 50 states adopted the Romney plan for MA, that would be perfectly all right, even if the result would be the same as with a federal mandate, no problem with liberty and freedom of choice then. As if the need for health insurance were different from state to state. And we even hear such idiocy as from Marco Rubio justifying the Romneycare by saying that if some people do not like it in MA, they can just move to another state.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
11:15 am
Tiberius
I asked you one general question. Any inference you are making are totally on your part. So do what you must. Not sure what you are talking about.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
11:17 am
So whatever road you think you need to go down, be my guest if you think your inferences to a general question will get you somewhere.
Paranoia will destroy you
JDW
June 30th, 2012
11:19 am
@Tiberuis…”JDW has sure been quiet since my smackdown of him.”
Only thing you are smacking is…well this is a family newspaper after all
I have had enough fun with you for a while. It is always a pleasure to see just how well I do have it compared to some others.
md
June 30th, 2012
11:19 am
“Petty one liner.”
There is a difference between a one liner directed at our politicians vs a petty one liner directed at others……one would be wise to learn the difference.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
June 30th, 2012
11:20 am
What is it with you liberals, angry, hostile, and a little deranged even in victory. I was always taught to be a gracious winner and a good loser, guess we had different instructors.
Like a bunch of fire ants scurrying from the mound, biting and stinging anything in your path. Well, Romney is bringing the Amdro and the big boots, so enjoy your temporary feeding frenzy.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:20 am
“I asked you one general question.”
You asked two. One where you inferred that there was shenanigans with money.
Don’t give me that innocent crap. I will NOT put up with it.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
11:21 am
And the best part of Dave ran down his momma’s leg! (Hat tip R. Lee Ermey)
Were you deprived of oxygen as a baby, Davey?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:22 am
“But when it is pointed up that Romney signed into law an individual mandate, and he and others praised that approach, suddenly the liberty and freedom of choice go in the air and it is all about other issues:”
maryV, do not confuse the terms “praised” and “justified”.
I do not praise his approach, but I can justify it under the Massachusetts Constitution.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:24 am
I see AmWet is back for another drubbing.
Got any new lies to post, sweetie?
md
June 30th, 2012
11:25 am
“In other words, if all 50 states adopted the Romney plan for MA, that would be perfectly all right, even if the result would be the same as with a federal mandate, no problem with liberty and freedom of choice then.”
And that is correct…….although what are the odds that all 50 states would agree on the same course of action? That is the difference. And it wasn’t a matter of a nation voting in favor when the party in power had to use reconciliation to get it through…..another huge difference.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
11:29 am
Do what you must. Any inferences of guilty or association were made were made by Tiberius. One or more posts does not even address you, that is your spin. If that gets you somewhere, do not wait . TAKE OFF
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:30 am
I accept your surrender, leg-humper.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:31 am
Smart move, btw.
Shows much more intelligence than I previously thought you had.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
11:39 am
Kyle will send you gold stars in the mail
And reread the post about your video paranoia …… I didn’t post anything about videos. Another blogger and yourself brought them up……. but nice try
So do what you must as I said earlier…….. I will wait for the word from your legal counsel.
bwhahahahahahaa
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:41 am
My bad, leg-humper. But it still shows remarkable restraint from your usual impulses.
You haven’t done anything illegal – yet.
Keep it that way.
td
June 30th, 2012
11:41 am
md
June 30th, 2012
11:25 am
” And it wasn’t a matter of a nation voting in favor when the party in power had to use reconciliation to get it through…..another huge difference.”
And since reconciliation was used to implement the law then reconciliation can be used to repeal the law. Just as Chief Justice Roberts said this is a political matter. The precedent has been set and it Republicans only need 51 Senators to repeal this law.
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
11:42 am
Tib
You scary boy with your little chest poked out
You funny
Still active at Bookman's because I am an adult and act like one
June 30th, 2012
11:42 am
but nice try to speak of libel, etc
I was shaking……….. Take what I posted to whomever. That will go nowhere fast.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:43 am
At any time are you going to be capable of posting about the topic at hand, leg-humper?
Or is stalking me all you’ve got?
I’m betting the latter.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
11:44 am
Economy is improving, health bare bill is law and fast and furious is over and so is the debate.
Game over cons.
Just stay home this cycle for our country first and not party first.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
June 30th, 2012
11:45 am
46,405,204 – The number of Americans currently on food stamps. When Barack Obama first entered the White House there were only 32 million Americans on food stamps.
88,000,000 – Today there are more than 88 million working age Americans that are not employed and that are not looking for employment. That is an all-time record high.
100,000,000 – Overall, there are more than 100 million working age Americans that do not currently have jobs
from yolohub.com/facts
Oblamer sounds like a shoe-in for re-election, with a record like this. Right?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:48 am
“Economy is improving,”
If you wish to think so, go for it. The 70% or so that think otherwise will be voting in November as well.
“health bare bill is law”
For now.
“and fast and furious is over and so is the debate.”
You’d like to hope so, but when a judge opens up those records and decides to release them, I think the debate about a programs which killed two American citizens will be back in the responsible news organizations sights.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
June 30th, 2012
11:48 am
The collectivists at MoveOn.org are trumpeting yesterday’s Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare as “a huge victory for people power.” On this point, I agree with them: It is a “victory” for “people” who enjoy “power” over others! The “people” who savor this enormous tax increase are not those who have to pay additional money to the federal government, but the “people” at Big-Pharma, insurance companies, government bureaucracies, and other special interests who will be on the receiving end provided by such increased revenues.
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The image of this group that comes to mind is of people with a leash in search of a dog! You will soon be directed to roll over on command, or to sit up and beg. You will then be rewarded with some tasty morsel, and led to believe that your obedience is evidence of how you are controlling the system to your ends!
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The repubtards repealing it????????????????????
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Ha Ha…………right after they repeal everything else they promised for the last 20 years.
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DemoRepubDummies.
md
June 30th, 2012
11:49 am
“The precedent has been set and it Republicans only need 51 Senators to repeal this law.”
There is a huge BUT involved with that too……they have to have the numbers in Congress and get rid of the current fella……a tall order.
md
June 30th, 2012
11:50 am
“health bare bill is law and fast and furious is over and so is the debate.”
Yes, for now on the hc, but off the mark on F&F……the civil case is proceeding………
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
11:51 am
Well, my party preparations are coming along just fine. But it does seem The Bookman Banshees are still here and acting uglier than usual. Whatsa matter? Somebody did not play your favorite 1975 swooning song to make your weekend?
Even when liberals think they have a “victory”, they can’t act nice. Just not “raised” right I guess.
Ah but old friend MarkV is back. He is honest, at least. But, MarkV, it is my opinion that many people in favor of ObamaCare DO think they will get free healthcare for any and everything. In fact, that was the whole premise of getting ObamaCare.
I say free, because some did not have money to pay for it before and they still don’t but they think they will get something free.
It all boils down to healthcare for free because the government will furnish it. That is what many people who voted for Obama think.i.e.:he has given them this gift. Obama is counting on that. They have no concept that someone does pay and it is all by taxpayers.
Everybody does not pay taxes. So somebody is going to get free healthcare and they know it. Or their dreams are going to be ruined and they will be back at Grady if it is still standing and all the doctors haven’t left. .
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
11:52 am
Just stay home this cycle…
I guess when you don’t have a persuasive argument to win people over with the next best plan is to attempt to suppress the vote.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
11:52 am
The Neocon Information Minister, Baghdad
BobDave (best known for his grandiose and grossly unrealistic propaganda posts, extolling the invincibility of Dave and the permanence of Dave’s rule on Wingfield’s forum) sure accepts a lot of imaginary surrenders!What a laugh riot the kid is…
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:53 am
The Presidential election is a toss-up, with the current Disaster-in-Chief having a slight advantage at this time.
The House will NOT be going back into Nancy Pelosi’s hands in 2013. You can bank on that one.
The Senate is no better than a 50-50 proposition, but more likely a 48-49 member GOP population.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
11:54 am
AmWet continuing his all-wet postings. . .
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
11:54 am
Glenn Beck is selling tshirts with Chief Justice Robert’s face on them along with the word “COWARD”
md
June 30th, 2012
11:56 am
“it is my opinion that many people in favor of ObamaCare DO think they will get free healthcare for any and everything.”
Well Dusty, your opinion just happens to be fact……those that will receive the subsidies know darn well that the bill called for subsidies…….which is why many vote for the enabling party……….
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
11:58 am
Dave, nice surrender at 11:54.
Was your mom named Hanoi Hannah?
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
11:59 am
only $30.00
http://glennbeck.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=29940&pc=BXCT094&src=NEWS117792
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
12:05 pm
little early on the celebration…………… back to life, back to reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TUo2zKpTY0
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
12:06 pm
U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, who clearly wasn’t paying attention when he was studying constitutional law back in ophthalmology school:
“Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional.”
Really? Poor Rand
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
12:08 pm
AmWet, here’s how it works: You post something of substance (other than the one-note mantra you usually post about conservatives = bad, liberals = good), and I’ll reply in kind with more substance.
In short, I cannot “surrender” if you don’t post anything of substance that might require a response to you. Nonsense from you begats nonsense from me – got it?
td
June 30th, 2012
12:09 pm
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
11:58 am
Why are you such a nasty A$$hole (excuse my bluntness)? Your side won this battle and you insist on still being nasty and rude. Classlessness has a price and you my friend will have your karma catch up with you one day if you insist on maintaining this type of behavior.
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
td
Things get out of hand on all sides. Anytime something is perceived to be a victory for the right, anyone can read the taunting that comes on Bookman’s or this blog.
Problem is that most only want to call out the crap when it is the other side
MarkV
June 30th, 2012
12:14 pm
Dusty @11:51 am
Dusty,
Yes, I am back after taking advantage of our country’s wonderful health care. (And the “wonderful” is not meant ironically, but quite sincerely). And I see you still keep misinterpreting many things.
“But it is my opinion that many people in favor of ObamaCare DO think they will get free healthcare for any and everything. In fact, that was the whole premise of getting ObamaCare. “
I don’t know how many people make that assumption, and I certainly do not see how they rationally can make it but it certainly in NOT the whole premise of getting ObamaCare.
“It all boils down to healthcare for free because the government will furnish it.”
It definitely does not boil down to that . First of all, the government does not furnish health care (with some exceptions, such as for military and veterans). ObamaCare is primarily about health INSURANCE, that everybody should have it.
“Everybody does not pay taxes. So somebody is going to get free healthcare and they know.”
It is true that some people will get subsidies, because we are compassioned people, and help those who cannot afford food, housing, etc. But most people will not pay taxes for health care – they will continue to pay for their private insurance. The tax issues is about those who could pay for their insurance but do not want to – they will have to pay a tax penalty, Otherwise, many of them would go instead to emergency rooms to get treatment, and all of us who pay insurance would cover their costs – the situation we have now.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
June 30th, 2012
12:15 pm
Continuing to point our the disaster our current Imperial President is. From yolohub.com
$5,000,000,000,000 – The U.S. national debt has risen by more than 5 trillion dollars since the day that Barack Obama first took office. In a little more than 3 years Obama has added more to the national debt than the first 41 presidents combined.
$5,000,000,000,000 – What the real U.S. budget deficit in 2011 would have been if the federal government had used generally accepted accounting principles.
DannyX
June 30th, 2012
12:16 pm
Gallup…Do you agree with the Supreme Court healthcare decision?
46%- Yes
46%- No
Here’s how anti-reality Republicans see the results of that poll..
.04%- Yes
8,932%- No
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
12:16 pm
td
For example, Bookman had a blogger who said he was going to spike the ball once the law was struck down. He went on and on. He cussed at everyone and left when it didn’t happen.
That would be just one on the right fitting the same description as Amvet, would it not?
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
12:18 pm
Dave! Don’t you dare spit out your medicine!
It’s good for you.
Ditto, td.
That you want to pardon/suckup to your banned buddy for virtually the exact same almost daily behavior here – endless unprovoked personal insults from him, Dusty et all – is, well………….. too bad.
Your selective, ideology based myopia is not my problem.
And I have been against Obamacare from Day One, you rube. I just love watching you anti-patriots squirm over your devastating “loss”! LOL
SINGLE PAYER NOW.
td
June 30th, 2012
12:21 pm
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
12:18 pm
You are so wrong about me. I have called out conservatives for acting like an idiot as well. The undeniable truth is (at least on these blogs over the past 2 plus years I have been on them) is it is the people of the left have posted way more vile and nasty remarks as the posters from the right.
td
June 30th, 2012
12:25 pm
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
12:16 pm
You have given me one example and this one example somehow excuses all the people on the left. Now I ask you to go over to Galloway’s blog and find more then a one day span where I was not called a vile name or my intelligence being questioned.
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
12:28 pm
td
I didn’t excuse anyone. Even said it goes both ways.
You are more than welcome to think as you wish, however the fact remains that all side on these blogs taunt and call names.
Some on the right have been doing here today. All YOU need to do is read.
Not saying you haven’t been called a name. It is done on all these blogs, but to be say well they did it more, means exactly what?
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
12:29 pm
Everyone have a great day
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
12:29 pm
the people of the left have posted way more vile and nasty remarks as the posters from the right.
This is exactly what I refereed to – selective, ideology based myopia.
How many of these insulting louts with no self-restraint have been canned?
Andy was so depraved that he got axed from the old Luckovich forum. One that was even monitored!
Let’s see…
Dave R. Repeatedly.
George W.
Harry Callahan.
Nothing is Free.
Drain the swamp.
CommieAJC.
And just a few weeks ago, when I showed up here, one particularly nasty oaf – saywhat – went so berserk over me being here, that when Kyle saw his posts, he canned him immediately.
And the filth that was spewed at Cynthia tucker was like none I’ve read since the old racist tracts of the 1960s. ALL o fit by Republicans.
You and i both KNOW that there are dozens more Republicans who have received red cards on these forums as well.
Now list for me all of the non-Republicans who have been banished to blogging land of nod. And there are some.
But you right wingers own the great majority of them…
md
June 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
“But most people will not pay taxes for health care – they will continue to pay for their private insurance.”
And this is where those in favor of the bill are royally confused…….yes, they will continue to pay for their insurance which will now have to include a rise in premiums because the bill covers all those that can’t or won’t afford it for themselves………
Just because the real “tax” increase is in the form of higher premiums, don’t be fooled into thinking the “tax” does not exist…………
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
td,
Man up.
Blogging is for adults and when you cons do nothing but lie and run away from the truth like a child, other bloggers will call you out.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:32 pm
md,
The civil case will be dismissed too because it is the gop playing politics.
DannyX
June 30th, 2012
12:32 pm
Good God td, grow a pair.
Love me some Reagan
June 30th, 2012
12:32 pm
td
Ask why some of the regulars over here were once Bookman regs.
hint: wasn’t because they didn’t taunt, name call, etc.
It was was because they did. Granted they have toned it down some over here
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:34 pm
I predict the dems will sell all the good things in the bill and the majority will be for ACA.
Fast and furious is over.
Immigration is over.
Our President is on a winning streak.
DannyX
June 30th, 2012
12:35 pm
Wow, it looks like Romney didn’t even get a Rasmussen bump after the healthcare decision.
Maybe Romney will get one when gas prices hit $5 a gallon!
md
June 30th, 2012
12:36 pm
“The civil case will be dismissed too because it is the gop playing politics”
We shall see, but I’m guessing a court wishing to do it’s duty will take the case all the way to it’s end…..if there are documents that need to be addressed (and there appears to be), then it will be up to holder to produce them……and perjury does exist in civil court too.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:36 pm
Gas prices are dropping.
President Obama’s fault.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
md,
It is payback because the dems did it and the gop walked out. Remember?
Just politics md.
You should know this by now.
You are not new to politics.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
June 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Aaaaand, still waiting for AmWet to post anything of substance.
Continue to spew the lies, sweetie.
I’m off to provide what little actual commerce I can.
md
June 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
“Maybe Romney will get one when gas prices hit $5 a gallon!”
You do understand why gas prices are done don’t you?
Because the demand is down due to a weakening economy, here and abroad……careful with the glee.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
12:40 pm
provide what little actual commerce I can.
Hope your Lemonade stand does well today, Dave.
DannyX
June 30th, 2012
12:41 pm
“Gas prices are dropping.”
You must be mistaken getalife, all of the Republicans on the blogs guaranteed us $5 a gallon this summer, they said it was certain.
Maybe they meant $3 a gallon.
md
June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm
getalife……everything in DC is politics…..including the corruption from all sides.
From what I read, the docs in F&F do exist (according to whistle blowers) and if they do, I’m in favor of finding out what they say…….I’m not too sure why everybody wouldn’t want to know, but then I am reminded by your response……it is politics, even from some in the peanut gallery.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
12:46 pm
Gas prices dropping is horrendous news for the GOP! They are very unhappy about it.
Ever since Georgie and Dickie left office in disgrace, they have wanted the
Obamathe country to fail…td
June 30th, 2012
1:07 pm
getalife
June 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
td,
Man up.
“Blogging is for adults”
Now that is the funniest thing I have read in months. There is no way half the people (you included) would write half the vile stuff they do if it was not for the anonymity of this blog.
I wish these blogs would require a real name but they know 2/3 of the people would disappear because they only have courage behind the cloak of not having to face the people they are so vile with on these blogs.
md
June 30th, 2012
1:07 pm
“Ever since Georgie and Dickie left office in disgrace, they have wanted the Obama the country to fail…”
Gee Am…..that’s not even simplistic tripe…..that’s just plain tripe.
There is a difference between wanting the country to fail vs certain policies to fail……of course some of us understand that certain policies will also cause the country to fail.
See Greece……….
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
1:08 pm
AmVet @ 12:29: thanks for refreshing my memory. Some of those names had slipped my mind, but your commentary brought them all back. You left out WoW, though. (Remember him?)
It’s easy to understand the anger of the Fright-Wing. After all, it’s part of their daily indoctrination. Instilling anger is paramount to Fright-Wing propaganda.
If you ever try to have an intelligent debate with a Fright-Winger, they fly into an uncontrollable rage.
What’s really pathetic is that they, themselves, don’t even realize that they have been programmed to do so.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
1:09 pm
Looks like this place will be a total waste of time until Monday.
md
June 30th, 2012
1:10 pm
“I wish these blogs would require a real name but they know 2/3 of the people would disappear because they only have courage behind the cloak of not having to face the people they are so vile with on these blogs.”
I was once reminded that character is not only what one does in the presence of others, but what one does when one is by themselves (anonymity?)
We choose everything we do including being ugly on a blog………
md
June 30th, 2012
1:13 pm
“Looks like this place will be a total waste of time until Monday.”
In reality HD, this place is always a waste of time……one just chooses to waste that time coming here. Does anything ever really get accomplished?
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
1:15 pm
Well, I just heard from a friend of mine who works down at the AJC. He said Kyle Wingnut has been dancing a jig since someone other than his usual lonely losers is blogging here now. Something about “I might just keep my job, now!”
md
June 30th, 2012
1:17 pm
“his usual lonely losers”
See…..as I said, character.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
1:19 pm
md
There is the occasional good discussion but you’re right, they are rare.
md
June 30th, 2012
1:29 pm
And HD (Kyle)…..when I say “this place”, I mean blogs in general….just to clarify.
td
June 30th, 2012
1:37 pm
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
1:15 pm
You have to be kidding right? The AJC is spending millions of dollars on trying to convince the conservative majority of this state that they are “fair and balanced”. As the lone conservative voice (IMHO moderate conservative), Kyle has the safest job at this paper. They will get rid of Jay way before they will get rid of Kyle and the minority libs would just have to live with it.
Learning the power of economics would make you a much wiser person.
@@
June 30th, 2012
1:38 pm
Or maybe their reactions will be just as vicious and plainly partisan as their blowback to an anti-Obamacare decision promised to be.
With the rare exception, my money’s on the “vicious and plainly partisan.”
They is what they is.
schnirt
@@
June 30th, 2012
1:41 pm
Oooooo, RW’s here.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!
md
June 30th, 2012
1:45 pm
“They will get rid of Jay way before they will get rid of Kyle and the minority libs would just have to live with it. ”
Now that depends……some (Air America) never seem to learn the need for some kind of balance, especially in a country that polling indicates is center right…..although I’m doubting the center right part these days as “we” elected a left leaning gov’t………
snoqualmiefalls
June 30th, 2012
1:49 pm
“Strangest decisions from the Court” AHH beg to differ TBan. I would say the Dred Scott decision is the strangest, you know, the one that said “people are property”, yeah, that one.
My prediction on the HCA (not using the derisive Obamacare phrase) it will motivate the folks just like Roe v Wade years ago, you will have a new movement lasting years to repeal HCA, crying, wailing, “terrorist attacks” just like you see happening with abortion providers… red meat for the low news consumer, echoing the words of the former spokesperson for the Michigan TEAGOP “is armed rebellion justifyed yet” spoken like a true traitor.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
1:49 pm
How did I get involved in this?
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
12:29 pm
Andy was so depraved that he got axed from the old Luckovich forum. One that was even monitored!
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 10, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this
AmVet, this blog does not exist for you to abuse people and call names. Those posts are pulled — clean it up, or you will be as well.
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
1:57 pm
MarkV
I’m sorry you had to enter our healthcare facilities. Glad we have such good ones to help us. Hope you are well now.
Anyway, I don’t believe that a large part of our American population study the insurance industry to learn about healthcare of the future. They work hard and come home tired and get the essentials from the news or think it will be handled by someone else.. If they are not paying for their insurance now, it is because they do not have the money. It isn’t a choice. Many are having trouble even making living expenses. So I think they truly believe that the president is giving them free healthcare, even if they don’t know about insurance.
Now back to my double birthday “party”duties for the evening.. I’m going to try grilling which is not my best move. Working outside is also a warm endeavor! The birds were almost fighting over the birdbath. We are trying to keep plenty of water available for them..
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
2:03 pm
RW is here????? Where are you RW? Hugs for RW!! How did I miss you?
td
June 30th, 2012
2:04 pm
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
1:57 pm
“The birds were almost fighting over the birdbath.”
If those birds spend to much time in that bath today then you may get to eat them for dinner:-) Hope you pull off 2 great birthdays.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:08 pm
Did Andy just pay the civil discourse card?
I never thought I would see that.
Shocked, shocked I say.
You are fat and angry cons.
You will have a stoke or heart attack.
Pay up moochers.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:10 pm
@@,
If you don’t get banned, you are not blogging.
What are the rules here?
td
June 30th, 2012
2:11 pm
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:08 pm
Ugly little man or woman. Do you have the guts to come out of the shadows and let us all know who you are? Did not think so.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
2:14 pm
That was the civil discourse bomb, gitmo.
Kyle has never scolded me for my colorful language or flaming adjectives, only for “not staying on topic.” And it looks like even that one will be out the window soon, with all you babbling bookman lunatics popping your empty heads in here.
To be rebuked by a fellow sycophant is like really, really bad, just sayin…
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:16 pm
DannyX,
I have found that our conservative friends are seldom right about anything.
md,
The civil case will get tossed too and issa broke the law by disclosing documents that are not cleared to be shown. issa can be arrested.
As far as civil discourse goes, lead the way my conservative friends.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:20 pm
Andy,
Jay has warned me several times about civil discourse.
I am just helping kyle out because he could use some hits on his blog.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:22 pm
td,
I have posted my picture .
Who are you?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
2:26 pm
gitmo- He has not. Why would he? You and him occupy the same intellectual wasteland and lie like a rug to encourage each other. You and him are practically sisters.
td
June 30th, 2012
2:28 pm
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:22 pm
Just as I thought. Cowardliness bears its ugly head.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:30 pm
Andy,
He warned me yesterday.
Sometimes, I post on drudge links and forget to tone it down on his blog.
It is a well mannered blog.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:30 pm
td,
Show me who you are first.
jeffrey
June 30th, 2012
2:31 pm
It was a conservative decision by a conservative court upholding a conservative law that was born from a conservative idea. If you are upset then I can only assume you’re not real conservative.
AmVet
June 30th, 2012
2:33 pm
WoW was a real work of art, huh? Like Baghdad Dave and Andy, he got canned repeatedly.
Too funny…
HECK! I NEVER apologize to anyone, period. They are all undeserving.
Fixed her “mistakes”.
td
June 30th, 2012
2:34 pm
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:30 pm
td,
Show me who you are first.
Go to Kyle’s FB page and I am there, so who are you?
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:36 pm
td,
Go to Jay’s page and I am there too.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
2:38 pm
It is a well mannered blog.
Jay
June 29th, 2012
9:41 am
I understand that emotions are running high on this issue, but please keep the insults and personal attacks to a minimum. Turn it down a few notches.
Would it hurt you to tell the truth every once in awhile, git?
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
2:39 pm
No matter what anyone here says, if they were banned from Bookman’s blog, they had plenty of chance to avoid it.
What it really says about them is that they find themselves more important than the moderator of the blog.
You see it over and over, including the most recent incident. They just back Jay into a corner and leave him no choice.
I just wonder what Kyle Wingnut’s reaction would be if I told “all of you conservatives to just stick it up your *ss?”
What so absurd is that the blogger wasn’t even banned for that.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:41 pm
Excellent point jeffrey.
td
June 30th, 2012
2:42 pm
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:36 pm
td,
Go to Jay’s page and I am there too.
Will not be able to find you because I am sure you are civil in the light of day.
Puzzled
June 30th, 2012
2:44 pm
Just a question…do we all live in the same country? Talking about battles and wars. Is that what it comes to…guess it gets people to read your stuff Kyle…but it doesn’t contribute much to making this place we live a better place. Does anyone here want children to go without basic healthcare in the richest country in the world, have people who have paid into their insurance for 20 years get cancelled because they have cancer (or more like priced out of being able to buy it)…not saying this law fixes it, but I sure haven’t heard anything from anyone else tell us how they will. Having a for profit insurance company make the decision whether you live or die doesn’t quite appeal to me either. It seems people want the same things…I just dont know why we cant figure out how to do it without it being a “war” or a “battle”…guess hyperbole sells better than reason
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:44 pm
Sooth,
I think when a blogger emails the owner of a blog to cry about another blogger, it is best they just leave that blog.
I am not a fan of snitches .
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:46 pm
td,
Do onto others as they do onto you.
Lead the way td.
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
2:48 pm
“I think when a blogger emails the owner of a blog to cry about another blogger, it is best they just leave that blog.
I am not a fan of snitches.”
Get: fill me in. I’m not aware of what you’re talking about.
@@
June 30th, 2012
2:49 pm
HECK! I NEVER apologize to anyone, period. They are all undeserving.
Fixed her “mistakes”.
AmVet:
Oddly enough, you’re the ONLY person, to whom, I’ve ever apologized.
Attributing a post to you that was N-GA’s.
Let’s just say I live my life with few, if any, regrets.
I’ve never asked for an apology. Why offer something that I, myself, don’t need?
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:50 pm
Another excellent point puzzled.
After the Gifford assassinations, civil discourse lasted about a week.
I am all for civil discourse because we are all Americans and no side wants to take on the US military.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:56 pm
Andy,
You know I never lie.
He probably deleted it.
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
2:57 pm
Get: whether he did or not I don’t know, nor do I really care. Although I agree with your earlier statements.
Jay e-mailed me to ask me about it, though. I answered as honestly as I could. And he made his own decision.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
2:59 pm
“Jay e-mailed me to ask me about it, though.”
Yeah, that means he got a complaint about it.
@@
June 30th, 2012
3:08 pm
Yeah, that means he got a complaint about it.
OR
jay was monitoring the exchange, Getalife?
MarkV
June 30th, 2012
3:08 pm
Dusty,
Thank you for your good wishes.
I do not dispute that there are some people who have a mistaken idea about what ObamaCare is about. And I cannot agree with you more that some of them do not pay for insurance because they do not have the money. And in that lie the two main points of ObamaCare (which I consider not the best solution but a better system that we have now): to help such people to get insurance, so that they do not go to ERs for a much more expensive treatment than they would get with regular healthcare and that those with insurance would pay for, and to force people who want to take the chances with their health and medical expenses (and there are some) to pay for insurance and thus lower the cost for everyone.
Try to look at it this way: I will assume that you have health insurance (If not, just imagine they you do). How many people are in that pool? You probably do not know (neither do I), but let’s say a million. Would it make any difference to you if there were 2 million? Or 10 million? Why should it? So how about 330 million? Will it really bother you so much if some of them get help buying the insurance to be able to get health care, because you will therefore have to pay a little more? Would it bother you so much that you would rather see them to be sick or die because of the lack of help? And before you argue that they do get free care at Grady or wherever, remember that the result is again an increase in your insurance premiums or taxes.
My best wishes to your birthday party. And keep those birdbaths filled.
@@
June 30th, 2012
3:24 pm
Getalife:
Did you ever snitch on other bloggers?
Never!
I know of one leftist who snitched me out to STRATFOR though.
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
3:24 pm
Has jay started telling people when they’re banned? To this day he’s never told me.
Hi @@ and Dusty, great to “see” y’all.
@@
June 30th, 2012
3:35 pm
Getalife:
Better question. Have we ever had a president who set up a “snitch site”?
“There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end-of-life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain e-mails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an e-mail or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.”
@@
June 30th, 2012
3:38 pm
RW:
You’re underserving of notification.
(IW&SH)
Check your inbox. Having no internet access, I was afraid I would miss your birthday.
Whew! Was reconnected on the very day.
@@
June 30th, 2012
3:40 pm
Something fishy?
How’bout IT’S A TAX.
schnirt
getalife
June 30th, 2012
3:45 pm
@@,
See something say something.
RW,
Are you sure you are banned?
getalife
June 30th, 2012
3:46 pm
“How’bout IT’S A TAX”
Not if you have health insurance.
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
3:46 pm
MarkV,
You are saying that mostly we should like ObamaCare for compasssionate reasons. Well, I thought of that a long time ago and have sent many donations to nonprofits and also worked extensively in healthcare facilites to help those less fortunate. Not sitting at the visitors desk but working with professionals in my field.
But I do not think it is compassionate to bankrupt a whole country and that is where we are headed. There is no way you can offer healthcare for millions of people without it being very costly. We are already deep in debt. Everyone will be affected, rich, poor, healthy, unhealthy.
OUr system is also loaded with illegal immigrants who have learned how to get free healthcare. I think we best change our ER system in which there is a triage of patients with only the serious getting serious treatment. The rest could go to branch clinics. I do think those with chronic illnness need some respite but long term illness is very costly and insurance companies know that. They are not run by missionaries but business men. Investments are not made in companies with no profit.
The government needs to let people make their own decisions. Healthcare is one of them. People are dying every day but I doubt that a large percentage of them are from lack of medical care. More likely lack of personal care at the basic level or end of life complications that come to all. Even ObamaCare cannot change such people. But they should not be allowed to set the standards for medical care in this country. .
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
3:51 pm
RW!!!!! So glad you are here. Hope it is long term. PLease stick around.
Excuse me but I am burning chicken on the grill. Why did I try this? So far its half burned and half raw! Awww….anyway…..so good to SEE you!! And it’s only 103 degrees!!! I am half cooked too.
@@
June 30th, 2012
3:52 pm
Getalife:
See something say something.
Is that your way of confirming his “snitch site”?
@@
June 30th, 2012
4:11 pm
Do NOT go outside without your flip flops!
I’m tempted to crack an egg on the pavement. No waste…my dog loves fried eggs.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
4:12 pm
@@,
Yes.
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
4:29 pm
Are you sure you are banned?
Perhaps not but I long ago tired of making comments that either wouldn’t show up or got pulled back down in a matter of minutes.
@@,
I saw that and thanks. Did you also email Mr. Sowell?
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
4:30 pm
Dusty,
Point your chicken toward the sun and it should finish off just fine.
MarkV
June 30th, 2012
4:38 pm
Dusty @ 3:46 pm
Dusty,
There are several problems with your arguments.
“There is no way you can offer healthcare for millions of people without it being very costly.”
Think about what you have written. The United States, the richest country in the world, cannot assure health care for all her people, while many much less rich countries can. Really?
The question about illegal immigrants is completely outside the discussion here about ObamaCare. But your argument about triage of patients in ERs cannot be taken seriously. You want to replace the requirement of insurance with a law that would affect how doctors in ERs should treat people who go there? And you and other conservatives want to talk about “putting the government between doctors and patients?”
And what about “lack of personal care at the basic level?” It is exactly the lack of insurance that prevents people from getting preventive care that would lower the cost.
I come back again to the argument I submitted to you some time ago and which you so completely misinterpreted. Forget about Democrats and the OCB prediction that ObamaCare will save money, and the Republican’s claim that it will cost huge amounts of money. Think about where most of the money goes: to the treatment of people who need treatment to get well. (I am not disregarding administrative costs, but those are at least as high in an unregulated private insurance system). Which bring us to the beginning: Is the US such a poor country that is must leave some people without medical care?
@@
June 30th, 2012
4:43 pm
RW:
Did you also email Mr. Sowell?
That’s DR. Sowell. And YES I DID!
@@
June 30th, 2012
4:45 pm
Getalife:
The IRS collects penalties on unpaid taxes.
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
4:54 pm
Does being a Dr preclude one from being a Mr? And I hope you didn’t leave out Mike Tyson
@@
June 30th, 2012
5:03 pm
No, Dr. R.W., it doesn’t.
Mike Tyson? Isn’t he in prison?
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
5:18 pm
Isn’t he in prison?
Prisoners need a little birthday love too, but no he isn’t in prison. He was last seen on a talk show giving some very bizarre reasons for being a vegetarian.
@@
June 30th, 2012
5:27 pm
Yitzhak Shamir, former Israeli PM, dies
RIP Prime Minister Shamir.
Shamir ordered Operation Solomon, the airlift rescue of thousands of Ethiopian Jews following a regime change in 1991. During the operation, which took less than 48 hours, 14,000 Jews boarded Israeli planes to emigrate to Israel, according to the Israeli government.
@@
June 30th, 2012
5:31 pm
There’s a banner that keeps popping up at the bottom of the AJC’s site. “ajc SIZZLIN’ SUMMER SALE!”
My security provider keeps shutting me down as a result.
Something about protecting my computer from attack.
What IS THAT?
Tyson was always bizarre.
@@
June 30th, 2012
5:47 pm
Change “from attack” to protection from a malicious add-on….whatever the heck that is.
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
6:00 pm
@@: move your cursor over the box in the lower right corner of your screen. If a dialogue box appears that says “hide,” click on that. If not, there is a procedure to remove the bar, but I can’t remember how. I think getalife knows how.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
6:15 pm
@@- What do you mean “security provider?” Is it a virus program you have installed?
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
6:49 pm
@@,
If you use AdBlock I have a script you can put in to kill that Mebo bar completely. Let me know and I’ll post a copy of it.
@@
June 30th, 2012
7:08 pm
Soothsayer:
Whenever I place my cursor over the banner, that’s when security takes over to shut down.
Andy:
I don’t know all the technical terms. Norton Anti-Virus.
RW:
I used AdBlock when I had Firefox. Semper switched over to IE seeking to destroy some nasty virus. Long story short. He thought he’d installed security on my computer, when, in fact, he neglected to do so. Left me exposed and vulnerable. Took two days to find that roach and squash it.
If the AdBlock works on IE, show me the way.
@@
June 30th, 2012
7:13 pm
Semper said to tell y’all that he doesn’t play well with piddlin’ computers invented by college students. Mainframes don’t get hacked.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
7:23 pm
@@- I doubt if your anti virus program is attacking the Meebo bar.
You’ve got the real thing.
Search for “Microsoft Security Essentials,” download it and follow the prompts. Run a scan with it.
Then search for “Spybot” and do the same thing.
They are both free and they work.
You’ll probably have to uninstall Norton, MSE may conflict with it.
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
7:23 pm
@@,
I’ll have to do some research. Why don’t you can IE instead? Tell Semper a mainframe is just a cloud these days. Make sure he doesn’t float up to OZ.
md
June 30th, 2012
7:27 pm
“to help such people to get insurance, so that they do not go to ERs for a much more expensive treatment than they would get with regular healthcare and that those with insurance would pay for,”
The numbers coming out of MA indicate that trips to the ER went up instead of down…..seems folks like the convenience and now have the insurance to make more trips……
“I will assume that you have health insurance (If not, just imagine they you do). How many people are in that pool? You probably do not know (neither do I), but let’s say a million. Would it make any difference to you if there were 2 million? Or 10 million? Why should it?”
It makes a huge difference……..premiums also depend on how many in that pool are actually paying their own premiums……..so what do you expect to happen to those premiums when many million are not paying for their own??
Yep……your premiums go up……hence the real “tax” increase that just got passed………..
md
June 30th, 2012
7:34 pm
““How’bout IT’S A TAX”
Not if you have health insurance.”
And getalife is one of those that don’t realize that raising premiums to cover millions added to the insurance is not a “tax”………yep, it’s a premium, just as a fee is also not a tax……
Wonder what the folks in Greece called it before they started their riots in the street??
Michael H. Smith
June 30th, 2012
7:42 pm
If obumercare was a great as these socialist libs pretend it is then why must they continue with their sells pitch and tell conservatives to get over it?
Nah libs, you guys can get over it as you say. On my side of this issue we intend to “get rid of it”, along with as much of the socialist democrat party as we can replace beginning at the top of the ticket.
the red herring
June 30th, 2012
7:51 pm
this tax and healthcare program takes us further down the road to serfdom. we will become the next country that goes bankrupt while the european countries we are being modeled after will be on the road to recovery. who will defend us and the rest of the world when we are bankrupt? the youth of today will feel the most pain but rest assured those of us that have worked and paid taxes, social security, medicare, etc will feel some of the pain as well. obama and the left leaning democrats want to buy votes and have done so. justice roberts only wants to be seen among his washington d.c. friends as being in their upper crust class. sad to see the taxpayers and working class sold down the river. ironic though that obama wins because he has just passed and gotten supreme court approval of the largest middle class tax hikes in history (just one of many tax hikes obama has gotten passed that effect the middle class more than upper class) still obama calls them fees, etc. so that he can say he hasn’t raised taxes—what a liar. the congressman from south carolina that called obama a liar should have been apologized to instead of vice versa…..
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
8:16 pm
Is that freakazoid SoothSayer gone yet??
Good. Time for some tuneage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88fbHOmvRk
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
8:20 pm
Yep, toothfairy comes to this blog thumping her chest about civility and then goes right back to kookman’s and starts a giant hair pulling, eye scratching, panty waist hissy fit with josef. And whines to kookman about it.
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
7:49 pm
“And, SOOTH, you don’t appreciate the inference? Why don’t you go crying to Daddy and see if he’ll ban me, too…he might…”
“SOOTH
Are you going to threaten me, too?”
Jay, I’m glad you’re here to see this. That is if you’re still here. See, all of this is about a post that josef didn’t agree with.
He can’t refute the post, so he continues with personal attacks and insults.
I haven’t been paying any attention to the kookman blog at all, and you at the Urinal can attest to this. Only because these whackjobs have infested the reasoned conversation at Wingnuts with their simplistic taunts have I ventured back into the mindless lunacy and incessant babbling.
They can have it.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
8:26 pm
Probably a little soft for your tastes, Reporter, but a good “warmup” song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC3pLlBD0wo&feature=related
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
8:31 pm
Got to get stepping out with my lady…..may check back later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk70wuIYBBE
josef
June 30th, 2012
8:41 pm
WHINER
That was over on Jay’s frontporch…not here….
THE REST OF Y’ALL
Thought I’d drop in to say hello.
td
June 30th, 2012
8:42 pm
getalife,
I guess none of these new additional taxes effect you? 21 new taxes in Obamacare.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/06/obamacare-21-new-or-higher-taxes.html
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
8:43 pm
That was some show you put on over at Bookman’s the other day. I thought I might have sold tickets. Although I doubt if anyone would have paid anything for them.
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
8:48 pm
I’m a legend in my own mind. No one has ever been able to debate me. I’m invincible. I have delusions of grandeur. Even the might Jay Bookman is no match for my overstuffed ego. I love me. Oh, how I love me.
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
8:53 pm
Let me see if I can find Wingnut’s e-mail for you.
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
8:57 pm
@@,
It seems like in IE you can click on tools then internet options then security. Click on the restricted sites icon then click on sites. Add meebo.com as a restricted site and it looks like it takes it away unless it works in combination with something else I’m running, but I can make it come and go at will by restricting or unrestricting that site.
md
June 30th, 2012
8:57 pm
“16. Tax on Health Insurers($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. The stipulation phases in gradually until 2018, and is fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits.”
You folks may want to read that one again………tax on insurers
And they get their money from who?????
getalife
June 30th, 2012
9:02 pm
Say mash potatoes!
Mac and cheese!
Andy,
I guess you enjoy peace and quiet over here so we came to bust up your quiet echo chamber.
The AJC advertisement (revenue) can be hid easily with one click but somebody at Jay’s figured how to delete it permanently. I do not know because I just hide it.
josef
June 30th, 2012
9:05 pm
getalife
I actually pay attention to the ads for the blogs. I also have a tendency to patronize them. They help fund the places that keep us social malcontents off the street!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
9:06 pm
yosef- toothfairy brought it to Wingnut’s “front porch.”
How you been, sweetheart?
josef
June 30th, 2012
9:11 pm
WHINER
Fine, thankye…
THE REST OF Y’ALL
I know Whiner doesn’t speak for y’all,,,
md
June 30th, 2012
9:13 pm
Hi Jo…….bye Jo, out for awhile.
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
9:19 pm
josef,
The ads are one thing, but that meebo bar is something else entirely and hiding it doesn’t fix the problem lots of security programs have with it. On the rare occasion I’m here I’ll continue to try help anyone that’s wants to get rid of it, well… get rid of it.
How you been?
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
9:20 pm
Oops I guess that “how you been” has been asked and answered as our lawyerly friends would say.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
9:24 pm
josef,
Yes, AJC needs the revenue.
Ray
June 30th, 2012
9:26 pm
The Red Herring,
When Governor Deal was busy giving away sales and use tax exemptions to private jet owners, I didn’t hear you crying about how it would add to the state’s debt. We still manage to serve the rich at the expense of the poor, even during the worst of times.
We can raise our dismal mortality rate by making humane choices. Another tax break for the wealthy, hum…, or saving lives? Pray on it.
josef
June 30th, 2012
9:29 pm
RW
Been fine and dandy. Enjoying a few days off courtesy the beleagured taxpayers of Georgia. And yeah, meebo got on my nerves.
And you?
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
9:32 pm
Some classic Genesis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVkS0dPq2ig
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
June 30th, 2012
9:32 pm
yosef- Look man, to each his own, if you know what I mean.
That doesn’t mean I’m on board.
But I do know that toothfairy attacked you and should be called out for her hysteria.
You’re like an angry little girlfriend,
Why such animosity?
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
9:35 pm
Well, Bruno and Josef,
Always good to have the pleasure of your company. Do visit us often. That’d be nice..
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
9:36 pm
josef,
I’m doing great, glad to hear you are as well. I got an email from you the other day but I saw it was a distribution list and haven’t had a chance to check it out. Should I carve out some time for whatever it was?
Meebo isn’t just annoying to humans it also annoys spyware and malware filters. It actually seems pretty harmless but it can make your system so slow trying to fight it off that you decide to leave yourself unprotected from real threats. It should really have a disable feature instead of just a hide feature.
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
9:40 pm
It’s simple with Firefox if you use AdBlock Plus. Just add
||meebo.com/cim/*
||cim.meebo.com^
to your filters.
josef
June 30th, 2012
9:41 pm
BRUNO
Not to worry, they know. And in case you didn’t know, you and I are “buddies” and you’re a MOT…
I find THAT to be particularly humorous the way you and I scratch and claw over the “tribe!”
*******
WHINER
I didn’t come over here to exchange unpleasantries with you or anyone else. I’m a guest here and will try to behave as one.
********
DUSTY
Hey, Sweet. Did I tell you we’ve got a nest of little furry woodpeckers? Sweetest little things…love to watch them.. The tree rats? General Sherman and Company have been wrecking havoc on the village in my moss garden…
josef
June 30th, 2012
9:43 pm
RW
That damned e-mail! No…my e-mail got hacked. First time it has happened to me. It should be fixed by now. An e-mail from me, as you know, will have a re that makes it pretty clear it’s me!
@@
June 30th, 2012
9:43 pm
Andy:
No viruses. It wasn’t happening at other sites, just this one.
RW:
Here it is your birthday and I’m receiving the gift of your computer expertise.
THANKS!
Been canning for two days. Could I send you a pint of Lady Peas, Pinkeyes, Butterbeans?
(ISH)
I only added the second and third variety since the first sounded a bit…well…you know.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
9:50 pm
We’re not quite as hot here in the Hills as you flat-landers but damn, it ain’t fit fer man ner beast out there.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
9:51 pm
By the way, RW’s Mebo ad-blocker works like a charm on Google Chrome.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
9:52 pm
Alright, HD is here. Feeling like old times again. All we need is to get JamVet over, and the Blog Band is back together.
You do like JamVet, don’t you, HD?? I know that both Dusty and @@ are crazy about the guy…..
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
9:52 pm
josef,
There’s somebody in Mexico that tries to sell various male enhancement products using my gmail accounts from time to time. It would actually cause a bigger, no pun intended, problem trying to fix it than just to let it occasionally happen so if you ever get a “sales” call from me please know to ignore it.
@@,
At least I’ve heard of butter-beans. When should I expect this eclectic mix of savory goodness?
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
9:53 pm
Bruno
I can tolerate most anybody as long as they don’t bad mouth my tribe.(I’m still a tribalist)
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
9:55 pm
Hillbilly D,
It probably does with Safari as well. IE uses a whole different set of controls.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
9:55 pm
Alright, RW, I’m officially throwing out the olive branch to you. Fresh start for me at Kyle’s.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
9:57 pm
I can tolerate most anybody as long as they don’t bad mouth my tribe.
Oops–Hope you didn’t see it when I sprang “Marching Through Georgia” on josef a while back on FNM……
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
9:59 pm
Alright, HD, here’s a compromise song for you and josef:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSXjjJ7TgFw
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
10:02 pm
We’re not quite as hot here in the Hills as you flat-landers but damn, it ain’t fit fer man ner beast out there.
PB and I will be running the Peachtree Road Race on Wednesday morning. Even though we trained hard, it’s still going to be tough running 6.2 miles in 90+ degree heat. We got psyched up by watching the movie “PreFontaine” last night.
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
10:05 pm
MarkV,
Yes, USA is the richest country in the world because we keep freedom and independence as the essence of our character. We lose that essence each time that the government makes personal decisions for us. Around the world, we are known as a place where one can succeed with the will and effort to do it. Each time the government takes charge of our decisions, we lose some freedom.
I admire your compassionate leanings. If you really want to carry them out based only on compassion, the USA would fund heathcare and most everything else in Somalia, the Sudan, Mali, the Congo and on and on around the world. You will find what real poverty and desperation are in those places.
The USA is in deep debt whether you care to believe it or not. Our citizens can manage just as they have been doing. They can learn that preventive care can be done on the personal level if they care to take the effort.
We have never been forced to buy health insurance. Now we will have to buy something against our wishes in one form or another or be punished. There goes one more freedom in the USA. . .
@@
June 30th, 2012
10:07 pm
Shortly, RW…shortly.
(ISH)
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
10:07 pm
Bruno
I’ve never been a fan of Jimmy Carter as a politician. I think his work with Habitat is very commendable but as a politician, his views and mine are oil and water, going back to when he was Governor. One thing I do admire him for, though, is when he was at the Naval Academy, as his initiation, he was told to sing Marching Through Georgia. He refused.
The Elvis Trilogy, put together by Mickey Newberry, is a fine piece of music. Dixie works so much better, at a slower tempo and part at the end “All My Trials”(?) is actually my favorite part of it.
RW-(the original)
June 30th, 2012
10:10 pm
Shortly, RW…shortly.
Pretty sure I’ve heard that before….
IS&WH
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
10:13 pm
Yes, USA is the richest country in the world because we keep freedom and independence as the essence of our character.
Dusty–The real problem I see with freedom is that it necessitates personal responsibility, which a lot of folks apparently can’t handle. The new mantra is “Let the rich pay for it”. Makes me sick.
josef
June 30th, 2012
10:16 pm
PB
I’m so sorry you got dragged into that mess. I’m glad you’ve got your White Knight in Shining Armor, though! The age of chivalry is not dead.
HILLBILLY
He refused to sing that abomination? He just went up ten pegs in MY book…
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
10:19 pm
I hate butter beans. When I was about 3 or 4 years old, we had butter beans for supper and I didn’t want to eat mine. Daddy said, “You’re gonna eat them damn butter beans, if we sit here at the table all night”. Well, I did eventually eat them butter beans but that was the last time I ever touched one. I may have lost the battle but I won the war. I’m a stubborn cuss but I reckon I come by it honest. I overheard somebody ask Daddy once, why I was so stubborn and he said, “That boy got a healthy dose of it from both sides”.
Dusty
June 30th, 2012
10:28 pm
Well, I’m short on time tonight but do hope Bruno, PB, Josef and RW will continue to be with us. I am happy to see all of you Does make things more interesting with such enjoyable ones aboard!
Goodnight and may the cool breezes bless your brow!!! Yes!
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
10:28 pm
josef @ 10:16
I forget where but I heard him tell that years ago. He went way up in my eyes. But like I said, I’m a tribalist and always will be.
Of course, my real tribe is a lot more local than just Southern. To my way of looking at things, where would I be without my tribe, especially the ones who came before me? They made me what I am. I realize that’s not a “21st century” way of thinking but we have long memories in my world. But being half-Hillbilly, you understand that, I would imagine.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
10:34 pm
To my way of looking at things, where would I be without my tribe, especially the ones who came before me?
HD–As soon as you and josef find an open spot, I’ll be first in line to become an honorary Southerner. I’ve only got 31 years in so far, but you gotta start somewhere!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4aM4cgIIOY
@@
June 30th, 2012
10:34 pm
Bruno:
Just so you know…religion isn’t a favored topic over here. I know it’ll be hard for ‘ya, but…
you’ve got yours and others have theirs.
Just so ‘ya know.
josef
June 30th, 2012
10:36 pm
HILLBILLY
Yep. And the Swamp Rat half is just as strong in that identification. Also, I’m a lot like you on the local thing, that’s our clan within the tribe and the loyalties there are even stronger. Back home whenever somebody says of me “his Daddy is from that bunch down around Big Creek,” that’s all that need be said. You’ve been warned!
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
10:37 pm
Just so you know…religion isn’t a favored topic over here. I know it’ll be hard for ‘ya, but…
You missed it, but I got a whole thread up at JBs last week about spirituality. Nothing offensive…..
josef
June 30th, 2012
10:38 pm
BRUNO
Brosephus has already given you your grey card!
PlatinumBlack
June 30th, 2012
10:39 pm
Gosh, PB, you’re going to be “Watching Me?” That sounds a little ominous. How do you propose to do that?
No — meant to be the other way around, in the spirit of your comment.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
10:41 pm
Bruno @ 10:34
I can’t speak for anybody but me but a lot of this stuff is just in fun, as I’m sure you’re sharp enough to figure out. We aren’t stupid though, and we know exactly whose comments are made from bigotry and who is talking down to us. (You don’t fit that category, by the way). We take offense to that, as do people in any other group who gets put down. But apparently, especially at certain AJC blogs, some groups have most favored nation status and others are fair game, “wink, wink, nudge, nudge”.
@@
June 30th, 2012
10:46 pm
Bruno:
Let me ask you a question.
You once described me as pious because I mentioned beneficial programs at my church.
If I came on here talking about the good works at some of my charitable favorites…Heifer International or Noah’s Ark for abused animals and children, would that too be seen as pious or are you selective in your indignation.
M.D. Anderson is another one of my favorite non-profits. Can I talk about them without fear of being called pious?
PlatinumBlack
June 30th, 2012
10:46 pm
JOSEF:
I’m glad you’ve got your White Knight in Shining Armor, though! The age of chivalry is not dead.
And you’ve got yours…
It was between this and that scene toward the end of Pretty Woman:
http://youtu.be/iovcnjuf2WU
josef
June 30th, 2012
10:47 pm
HD
“…some groups have most favored nation status and others are fair game, “wink, wink, nudge, nudge.”.
Nyanh…surely not!
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
10:48 pm
Brosephus has already given you your grey card!
What the heck is a grey card?
josef @ 10:36
Yeah, I don’t think it’s anything that exclusively Hillbilly. I was talking to a friend of mine once, who moved here from East Tennessee, which culturally isn’t much different from here. He was talking about some of his neighbors (some of whom are my relatives) and he was talking about things different people had told him about different people in the community. I said, “Listen Dude, all these families have been living side by side for 100-150 years. We know each other pretty well and if somebody here thinks enough of you to warn you about somebody, believe it”
I had another friend who moved here from out West. He said, “Every time I go to bid on a job, people never ask me about my work, they ask me who I’m kin to. What’s up with that?” I said, “That’s how we judge people. We aren’t judging you by who you’re kin to, we’re judging you by which ones you claim”.
PlatinumBlack
June 30th, 2012
10:49 pm
Hi, Sooth.
Let’s let it die now. No need to drag it on and on.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
10:51 pm
Shades of AmVet towards Andy.
You towards AmVet, Bosch, me.
Schnort.
josef
June 30th, 2012
10:52 pm
PB
Thanks….and, yep, I got mine and am, believe it or not, grateful for it everyday of my life…
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
10:52 pm
josef @ 10:47
I think it’s just a reflection of the host’s own prejudices as to who gets to flaunt the rules and who doesn’t. He told on himself.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
10:56 pm
If I came on here talking about the good works at some of my charitable favorites…Heifer International or Noah’s Ark for abused animals and children, would that too be seen as pious or are you selective in your indignation.
@@–The only religious folks I have a problem with are those who claim that there’s is the only way: “We’re saved and everyone else is going to Hell”. There is more than one path to Salvation. We’re all just peas in the pod, all just specks of dust in a vast Universe. For anyone to claim they have a lock on the Truth is offensive to me. We all make peace with the Maker in our own way.
From what I remember, I think you’re cool with that.
Speaking of “cool”, I’m liking the late-night crowd at Kyle’s place. Beats the heck out of hearing stories about Vietnam and having Bible verses shoved down my throat.
josef
June 30th, 2012
10:58 pm
Hillbilly
Grey card? The Southern equivalent of the Green Card…landed immigrant status!
*******
Granddaddy always used to say of us, “it’s not as much who you are as who you were and what you leave behind for who you will be.” And you know me, I LOVE the rotten apples.
But seriously, whenever people start judging the past from the perspective of today and claim “oh, i wouldn’t have done that,” well, if you know your ancestors you know what YOU would have done in time and place.
@@
June 30th, 2012
11:00 pm
AmVet, Kamchak & Bosh?
Gnats for the swatting.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
11:00 pm
HD–How come no tunes?? I’m sure you’ve got a few saved up.
@@
June 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
‘Scuse me.
Bosch.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
Bruno
I don’t think Kyle is too crazy about the tunes, so I try to keep it to a minimum. (He did get on to me once about rambling off-topic. I was talking about people on the Weather Channel). He probably doesn’t care on a weekend night when he isn’t here and the topic is long since talked out.
Here’s one that Jimmy Fortune wrote about his mother. Amazing vocal, I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etcT7VRIAWA
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
11:05 pm
Here’s one for you, @@:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOnREN0Lbw
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
11:09 pm
But seriously, whenever people start judging the past from the perspective of today and claim “oh, i wouldn’t have done that,” well, if you know your ancestors you know what YOU would have done in time and place.
We, of course, don’t know what we’d do until we’re placed in that situation but I agree that if you know you’re history, you can get within better than a 90% certainty of what you would’ve done.
When I was coming up, we were always made aware that what we did, reflected on the entire family. I think that’s the cause of many of the problems of today, people think only of themselves and nobody else. Many have that, “it’s good for me, to hell with everybody else” attitude.
I once had somebody remark to me that they noticed I always eat everything on my plate, in a restaurant. They asked why I did that and I told them that somebody, somewhere would be proud to have it and it shouldn’t be wasted. They said, “You have no way of getting it to them and it makes no difference”. I said that that’s true but I’ve done what I can, I haven’t wasted. I can only control what I can control.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
11:12 pm
Here’s one that Jimmy Fortune wrote about his mother. Amazing vocal, I think.
HD–I’m guessing this song is way out of your genre, but give it a try. A guy named Gnarles Barkley wrote it for his departed mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4DDXvBpno0
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
11:18 pm
Bruno
It’s okay. I actually have pretty broad music tastes, mainly depending on my mood. Isn’t that the same guy now performing as Cee lo Green?
This is kinda retro. I like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMrNn2azgQY
josef
June 30th, 2012
11:19 pm
HILLBILLY
Brosephus has kidded me that I am “ancestrally uppity” due to having one of “those pedigrees.” That was said to say this. When I look back at great whatever grandpappy Guillaume on Granny’s side who orchestrated the crackdown of the Templars and with them the Cathars and Jews, on her husband’s side it was “get while the gettin’s good,” who would I have been? The persecuted or the persecutor? And, yet, 700 years almost to the day, their descendents met and married in Tishomingo County, Mississippi and gave birth to my Mama and to me…the full cycle. Along the way, a lot happened in both lines and knowing that I have an anchorage in time and place. And as he said when teaching me that family history, “this is not for some false pride but to teach you that you come from a long line of people who got out one step ahead of the inquisition, whatever the inquisition of the day.”
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
11:19 pm
Check this one out, HD. Things only a Southerner knows:
http://huntsville.about.com/od/gossip/a/beingsouthern.htm
Also, sorry for dragging some of the Bookman trash here with me.
@@
June 30th, 2012
11:20 pm
Hillbilly:
I once had somebody remark to me that they noticed I always eat everything on my plate, in a restaurant. They asked why I did that and I told them that somebody, somewhere would be proud to have it and it shouldn’t be wasted.
My husband likes to say “A city boy eats ’til he’s full. A country boy eats ’til it’s gone.”
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
11:21 pm
Isn’t that the same guy now performing as Cee lo Green?
Cee Lo did a live version of “She Knows” on VH1 which completely choked me up.
I’m hoping Kyle will loosen up on the music. In the end, the name of the game is blog hits. Who cares what the content is.
@@
June 30th, 2012
11:22 pm
I’m out.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
11:24 pm
@@
I used to eat at a cafe where they liked to pick at me. I’d ask them to please not put so much on the plate and they’d do it anyway just to see if I’d eat it. I think they had a wager or something.
And I’m a slender built guy, just for the record.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
11:24 pm
This is kinda retro. I like it.
Digging that Mayer Hawthorne selection. It’s hard to put into words what makes a song “good music”, but they’re making good music there.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
11:25 pm
This is no music, just humor. It’s not off-color but it ain’t for the faint hearted. It’s funny to my twisted mind, though. It’s long but a good pay off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUD6×87NtaQ
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
11:26 pm
Heading out myself. Enjoyed the chat, HD, @@ and josef. Catch you all soon.
Bruno
June 30th, 2012
11:28 pm
Catching your Leo Kottke, HD. My GF is a vegetarian. I like to tease her that “Vegetarian” is an old Indian expression for “Bad Hunter”.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
11:30 pm
Only Southerners make friends while standing in lines. We don’t do “queues,” we do “lines”; and when we’re “in line,” we talk to everybody!
I’ve seen my Mama talk to a wrong number (total stranger) for an hour.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
11:33 pm
This is for the guitar players. Notice Chet tuning on the fly at about 20 seconds or so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La-QiWzwgOM&feature=related
PlatinumBlack
June 30th, 2012
11:39 pm
Good night, All.
HD, sending you happy fried okra thoughts.
Hillbilly D
June 30th, 2012
11:40 pm
Thanks PB. Nite.
josef
June 30th, 2012
11:51 pm
Time to go back home….Enjoyed the visit
KYLE
Thanks for the chance to visit your cyber front porch and catch up with some old friends
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
July 1st, 2012
6:01 am
How will a working family that can’t afford health insurance pay a $2000 fine?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 1st, 2012
7:14 am
It’s not a fine.It’s a tax – with no consequences for not paying. Pay it or not.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
July 1st, 2012
7:14 am
Obozocare tax increases:
$86 Billion: Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
$65 Billion: Individual Mandate Excise Tax and Employer Mandate Tax
$60.1 Billion: Tax on Health Insurers imposed on health insurance premiums collected
$32 Billion: Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
$23.6 Billion: “Black liquor” tax hike on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105
$22.2 Billion: Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Took effect in 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980
$20 Billion: Tax on Medical Devices
$15.2 Billion: High Medical Bills Tax
$13.2 Billion: Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax”
$5 Billion: Medicine Cabinet Tax
$4.5 Billion: Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage
$4.5 Billion: Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”
$2.7 Billion: Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
$1.4 Billion: HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
$0.6 Billion: $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives
$0.4 Billion: Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike
Read more: http://www.atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-listed-a7010#ixzz1zMsw7pTW
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 1st, 2012
7:17 am
averted the torrent of purely partisan criticism Democrats and liberals were set to unleash had a majority of the court struck down the law
hypocrite much?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
July 1st, 2012
7:18 am
Why did Obozo impose a $2000 tax on working families that can’t afford health insurance?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 1st, 2012
7:18 am
atr.org
mwuahahahahahahahaha
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
July 1st, 2012
7:20 am
atr: Prove them wrong.
Didn’t think so.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 1st, 2012
7:27 am
Sore losers all.
Ya’ll even bought new footballs to spike but you did.t get a chance.
mwuahahahahahaah
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 1st, 2012
7:50 am
My apologies…my earlier post with a list of new taxes imposed on Americans by Obozo omitted the largest of them all! Here is the corrected list:
$123 Billion: Surtax on Investment Income
$86 Billion: Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
$65 Billion: Individual Mandate Excise Tax and Employer Mandate Tax
$60.1 Billion: Tax on Health Insurers imposed on health insurance premiums collected
$32 Billion: Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
$23.6 Billion: “Black liquor” tax hike on a type of bio-fuel
$22.2 Billion: Tax on Innovator Drug Companies
$20 Billion: Tax on Medical Devices
$15.2 Billion: High Medical Bills Tax
$13.2 Billion: Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax”
$5 Billion: Medicine Cabinet Tax
$4.5 Billion: Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage
$4.5 Billion: Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”
$2.7 Billion: Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
$1.4 Billion: HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
$0.6 Billion: $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives
$0.4 Billion: Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 1st, 2012
7:55 am
Cons better get their blood pressure checked soon.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 1st, 2012
8:05 am
CBO: Ob[ozo]Care Price Tag Shifts from $940 Billion to $1.76 Trillion
By Brian Koenig | Yahoo! Contributor Network – Wed, Mar 14, 2012
Ob[ozo]’s landmark healthcare overhaul is projected to cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, reports the Congressional Budget Office, a hefty sum more than the $940 billion estimated when the healthcare legislation was signed into law.
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Where is Obozo’s plan to pay for the $800 billion (and counting) cost overrun in Obozocare?
marko
July 1st, 2012
8:23 am
John Roberts is a graduate of Harvard, and the Harvard School of law. His vocal critics Sean, Rush and Beck Don’t have as much as an under graduate degree from a diploma mill to show for themselves. Of course they’re all richer than the chief justice of the supreme court. It only stands to reason that because they’re more affluent they must be smarter than Mr. Roberts. By that standard they’re smarter than Einstein. Hell they must be almost as smart as the Donald. I can’t for the life of me figure out why Donald doesn’t just fire that clown Roberts.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 1st, 2012
8:48 am
marko: I can’t for the life of me figure out why Donald doesn’t just fire that clown Roberts.
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We’re not surprised.
marko
July 1st, 2012
9:09 am
Lil Larry you always find time to hurl your rapier like insults. Makes one wonder where you find the time to water your flags or clean your muskets. We’re not surprised? Been talking to god and the founding fathers again Larry?
Michael H. Smith
July 1st, 2012
9:16 am
It’s not a fine.It’s a tax – with no consequences for not paying. Pay it or not.
If you ever sober-up and read what you wrote you are going to realize how stoned you were when you wrote it.
There are always consequences for not paying a taxes and when you get caught for not paying taxes those consequences can be very discomforting.
You socialist can put lipstick on this ugly marxist warthog obumerCare all you want, it will remain an UGLY PIG with painted lips until the day it is slaughtered – brucie!
Michael H. Smith
July 1st, 2012
9:43 am
One of the first things I heard said by one employer after hearing the ruling from the Supreme Court was… I hope my employees understand that now I don’t have to give them a company sponsored health insurance plan… I can just tell them go buy your own insurance.
In that particular case about fifty people will no longer have healthcare insurance all because of obumerCare, IF and this probably is a VERY BIG “IF”… all fifty of these employees can keep their jobs once this employer begins to weigh the cost of fines against the company balance sheet. Or, and this is a VERY BIG POSSIBLE “OR”… This employer, like a good number of other successful employers will simply say it is not worth it for me to continue, I’ll just shut the doors to my business, wish all my employees the best and take my wealth and get the proverbial HELL OUT OF DODGE!
So you thought John Galt was a figment of Ayn Rand imagination?
I hope I’m wrong about this scenario but I’ve serious doubts that I’m not off by more than a handful few details, unless the American people vote out these democrats and obumer and all their republican sympathizers and repeal and replace obumerCare.
Keep one thought in mind about rich people and rich corporations when the naysayers say it can’t happen… The feet of rich are not nailed down to any floor, their feet are not cast in concrete and the cost of moving out of this country is a trivial expense to them.
@@
July 1st, 2012
9:50 am
This is no music, just humor. It’s not off-color but it ain’t for the faint hearted.
Lawd ah mercy! That sounds like one of the stories my husband would’a told. Example?
“Our dogs died…we took a rope down to the dump and picked out another one.”
Some of the others are too brutal to share. I thought I was marrying a barbarian.
(ISH)
Michael H. Smith
July 1st, 2012
9:53 am
Lawd ah murcy, @@!
@@
July 1st, 2012
9:54 am
Mercivul Percivul!
Michael H. Smith
July 1st, 2012
10:04 am
Southern fried English.
Something I found out recently about the so-called Southern Drawl that all of us, even Southerns make fun of all the time. According to a linguist of English dialects that Hollywood employes to teach actors to speak their lines in whatever dialect their character is supposed to speak, the Southern Drawl came from Southerners imitating the dialect of England’s Aristocrats. Perhaps are so-called Drawl is not as backwoods as first thought, it would certainly explain a great deal about the mind of Southern Aristocracy.
Michael H. Smith
July 1st, 2012
10:08 am
I’m out of here. It’s going to be another hot one, stay cool if you can.
Later Y’all!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
July 1st, 2012
10:15 am
marko: We’re not surprised? Been talking to god and the founding fathers again Larry?
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No, marko, we’re just not surprised that there was something related to the U.S. Constitution that you weren’t able to “figure out” (your words).
Bruno
July 1st, 2012
10:21 am
There are always consequences for not paying a taxes and when you get caught for not paying taxes those consequences can be very discomforting.
MHS–It’s been pretty discouraging watching the Lib response to the SCOTUS ruling. All they know is that they won—something. What that something is, they have no idea. Add to that their naivete regarding the perceived lack of penalties for not paying the new fines, and I see a disaster in the brewing.
The Roberts ruling perhaps rightly put the decision back in the hands of the voters. I only wish I had more confidence in my fellow Americans to be able to think clearly and vote for freedom instead of tyranny. The few shekels on the table, unfortunately, is likely to sway the Free Lunch crowd into turning out in numbers. It’s up to Mitt and the Republicans to clearly articulate what’s at stake here.
Bruno
July 1st, 2012
10:24 am
LBB–BTW, I think I earlier had you confused with another former Bookman blogger. If I recall correctly now, you do bring a few facts to the argument. As such, I have no problem starting with a clean slate with you here. The only bloggers I have a problem with is those who are all abuse, no facts.
Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
10:31 am
“The Real Winners” (of ObamaCare), Paul Krugman, The New York Times, June 28, 2012:
“So the Supreme Court — defying many expectations — upheld the Affordable Care Act, a k a Obamacare. There will, no doubt, be many headlines declaring this a big victory for President Obama, which it is. But the real winners are ordinary Americans — people like you.
How many people are we talking about? You might say 30 million, the number of additional people the Congressional Budget Office says will have health insurance thanks to Obamacare. But that vastly understates the true number of winners because millions of other Americans — including many who oppose the act — would have been at risk of being one of those 30 million.
So add in every American who currently works for a company that offers good health insurance but is at risk of losing that job (and who isn’t in this world of outsourcing and private equity buyouts?); every American who would have found health insurance unaffordable but will now receive crucial financial help; every American with a pre-existing condition who would have been flatly denied coverage in many states.
In short, unless you belong to that tiny class of wealthy Americans who are insulated and isolated from the realities of most people’s lives, the winners from that Supreme Court decision are your friends, your relatives, the people you work with — and, very likely, you. For almost all of us stand to benefit from making America a kinder and more decent society.
But what about the cost? Put it this way: the budget office’s estimate of the cost over the next decade of Obamacare’s ‘coverage provisions’ — basically, the subsidies needed to make insurance affordable for all — is about only a third of the cost of the tax cuts, overwhelmingly favoring the wealthy, that Mitt Romney is proposing over the same period. True, Mr. Romney says that he would offset that cost, but he has failed to provide any plausible explanation of how he’d do that. The Affordable Care Act, by contrast, is fully paid for, with an explicit combination of tax increases and spending cuts elsewhere.
So the law that the Supreme Court upheld is an act of human decency that is also fiscally responsible. It’s not perfect, by a long shot — it is, after all, originally a Republican plan, devised long ago as a way to forestall the obvious alternative of extending Medicare to cover everyone. As a result, it’s an awkward hybrid of public and private insurance that isn’t the way anyone would have designed a system from scratch. And there will be a long struggle to make it better, just as there was for Social Security. (Bring back the public option!) But it’s still a big step toward a better — and by that I mean morally better — society.
Which brings us to the nature of the people who tried to kill health reform — and who will, of course, continue their efforts despite this unexpected defeat.
At one level, the most striking thing about the campaign against reform was its dishonesty. Remember ‘death panels’? Remember how reform’s opponents would, in the same breath, accuse Mr. Obama of promoting big government and denounce him for cutting Medicare? Politics ain’t beanbag, but, even in these partisan times, the unscrupulous nature of the campaign against reform was exceptional. And, rest assured, all the old lies and probably a bunch of new ones will be rolled out again in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision. Let’s hope the Democrats are ready.
But what was and is really striking about the anti-reformers is their cruelty. It would be one thing if, at any point, they had offered any hint of an alternative proposal to help Americans with pre-existing conditions, Americans who simply can’t afford expensive individual insurance, Americans who lose coverage along with their jobs. But it has long been obvious that the opposition’s goal is simply to kill reform, never mind the human consequences. We should all be thankful that, for the moment at least, that effort has failed.
Let me add a final word on the Supreme Court.
Before the arguments began, the overwhelming consensus among legal experts who aren’t hard-core conservatives — and even among some who are — was that Obamacare was clearly constitutional. And, in the end, thanks to Chief Justice John Roberts Jr., the court upheld that view. But four justices dissented, and did so in extreme terms, proclaiming not just the much-disputed individual mandate but the whole act unconstitutional. Given prevailing legal opinion, it’s hard to see that position as anything but naked partisanship.
The point is that this isn’t over — not on health care, not on the broader shape of American society. The cruelty and ruthlessness that made this court decision such a nail-biter aren’t going away.
But, for now, let’s celebrate. This was a big day, a victory for due process, decency and the American people.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/opinion/the-real-winners.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 1st, 2012
10:38 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1vY2IQATs
Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
10:39 am
http://nvrdc.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/hmo-v-medicare.jpg
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 1st, 2012
10:40 am
LBB
A great list of the taxes in Oblamercare, however, the one I found most onerous is the 3% tax on the sale of your house. I did not see that one listed. Before I’m assaulted by the lefty loons, not sure about the %, but there is a tax on homes sold after 2012.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
10:41 am
AmVet, Kamchak & Bosh?
Lions and tigers and bears — oh my!
Schnort
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 1st, 2012
10:50 am
This is an American Suicide Bill in more ways than one.
I saw a female urologist from Atlanta on the TEEVEE last night saying we are going to get 1950 style medicine at 2012 prices. She gave an example of the Gov already pounding home that the PSA test is not necessary in preparation for medicare, medicaid, Oblamercare no longer paying for it. She said prostate cancer in Blacks is a killer, and much more serious than in Whites, and every patient should be treated individually, not one side fits all as government controlled HC is.
She said based on the way Medicare and Medicaid is paid for by the Gov, Dr’s will be forced into cookbook medicine. Problem, check the payment book to see which solution the gov will pay for. She said private insurance is much more easy to work with, if she wants to do something different, she can speak with a medical professional at the insurance company, but with gov insurance she has to talk to bureaucrats with written guidelines. If implemented, we will never get rid of it.
10 years from now the only ones, a small minority, who will be opposed are those seriously ill and their families. All the healthy people will be happy that they have coverage, not realizing until they get sick, it is rationed and limited in scope.
Bruno
July 1st, 2012
10:59 am
And speaking of the Free Lunch crowd, here’s ME right on cue with a cut-n-paste job from Paul Krugman:
In short, unless you belong to that tiny class of wealthy Americans who are insulated and isolated from the realities of most people’s lives, the winners from that Supreme Court decision are your friends, your relatives, the people you work with — and, very likely, you. For almost all of us stand to benefit from making America a kinder and more decent society.
ME–There’s no doubt that we have some serious problems in our health care delivery system. However, those problems could–and should–have been solved using a different vehicle than private across-the-board health care insurance. Even Krugman admits as much:
As a result, it’s an awkward hybrid of public and private insurance that isn’t the way anyone would have designed a system from scratch. And there will be a long struggle to make it better, just as there was for Social Security.
But, rather than exploring more sensible ways to extend health care to folks, he falls back on the old “Libs are more compassionate” argument to justify it all:
But it’s still a big step toward a better — and by that I mean morally better — society.
The bottom line is that conservatives are just as compassionate in their goals as liberals, just smarter in enacting solutions that actually work.
Bruno
July 1st, 2012
11:02 am
Uh Oh–If you can ever come up with anything other than your childish nyah-nyah-nyah stuff, let me know. I’ll be happy to debate you or any brain-dead Lib on the issues anyday. The reason I left the Bookman Blog was because he refused to protect my GF from harassment.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 1st, 2012
11:11 am
Oblamer’s Tax Breaks for the rich, part II
WSJ CHIEF ECONOMIST: 75% OF OBAMACARE COSTS WILL FALL ON BACKS OF THOSE MAKING LESS THAN $120K A YEAR
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
11:18 am
The reason I left the Bookman Blog was because he refused to protect my GF from harassment.
Um, no.
They BOTH suck
July 1st, 2012
11:24 am
Sooth: this is what you posted. Why did you do that? Let me guess, you just forgot to copy the last part and didn’t notice. Really? Wow. What a douche
They BOTH suck
June 29th, 2012
12:08 am
Kammie
He cares so little that he literally begs for Jay’s attention on a constant basis.
When Jay does throw him a bone out of pity, he salivates so much he has to step away from his computer
He will deny, but just read his posts on the next article
td
July 1st, 2012
11:28 am
Soothsayer
July 1st, 2012
11:08 am
Are you 12? Jeez man what is your problem? You have not added anything to the conversation in two days. Either give us all your real name or STFU with the harassing BS and add something of substance to the conversation.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
11:54 am
Are you 12? Jeez man what is your problem? You have not added anything to the conversation in two days. Either give us all your real name or STFU with the harassing BS and add something of substance to the conversation.
By “something of substance”, do you mean something like, Oh noes! Gasoline will continue to rise and be at $5-6 a gallon by election day! Obama is doomed!
Is that kinda like what you mean?
‘Cause I know someone that spammed JB’s with that exact sentiment for a week or so up to and following the last SOTU address.
Streetracer
July 1st, 2012
12:16 pm
Off topic here, but everytime I go to Bookman’s blog, my computer shuts down. Is it trying to tell me something?
td
July 1st, 2012
12:23 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
11:54 am
I am pretty sure you took my sentiment a little out of context. I think I said IF gas prices went to $4:00 to $5:00 per gallon that Obama would not be re elected. Which by the way is a true statement.
Now, it is going to be interesting to see the response Obama has to the largest tax increase on the middle class and the working poor in American history.
BTW: I believe there is a huge difference between harassment and “spamming”.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 1st, 2012
12:24 pm
Rafe: A great list of the taxes in Oblamercare, however, the one I found most onerous is the 3% tax on the sale of your house.
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It’s actually 3.8% and it’s part of the tax increases on “investment income” in the list.
Thanks, Democrats.
@@
July 1st, 2012
12:42 pm
President Obama sounded weary and maybe a tad worried late Friday during a rambling conference call with campaign donors whom he repeatedly begged to send money—and send it now.
“The majority on this call maxed out to my campaign last time. I really need you to do the same this time,” the president said in a highly unusual (and presumably legal) fundraising pitch from Air Force One on his way back to Washington from Colorado Springs, where he’d been assessing the terrible damage caused by uncontained wildfires. A special phone on the government aircraft is dedicated to political calls that are paid for by the campaign.
“I’m asking you to meet or exceed what you did in 2008,” the presidential pitchman continued, speaking to donors who were invited to dial in based on their contributions during the last election. “Because we’re going to have to deal with these super PACs in a serious way. And if we don’t, frankly I think the political [scene] is going to be changed permanently
http://www.thedailybeast.com/election.html
Has he ever stopped to consider they MIGHT be among HIS unemployed?
Lions and tigers and bears — oh my!
Noooooooo
just gnats.
AmVet
July 1st, 2012
12:53 pm
…largest tax increase on the middle class and the working poor in American history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
Incorrect.
Reagan still has the record. He also caused us to go from being the world’s largest international creditor to the world’s largest debtor nation. And described those new debts as the “greatest disappointment” of his presidency.
PlatinumBlack
July 1st, 2012
1:15 pm
Dedicated to all ye 70s and 80s kids on the blog today. Hope you’re having a good Sunday:
http://youtu.be/ZJ_5fV8fjbs
getalife
July 1st, 2012
1:16 pm
One more question if you do not want to talk about the first.
I noticed you took the sc decision personally and was wondering how it will effect your job?
I know doomy was happy because he sells crappy insurance and it is welfare for him.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
@@,
I emailed Soros to ask him to donate a billion to our President .
md
July 1st, 2012
1:29 pm
From ME’s link:
“The Affordable Care Act, by contrast, is fully paid for, with an explicit combination of tax increases and spending cuts elsewhere. ”
And he’s right, except he fails to mention all those tax cuts and spending cuts will come from our pockets……..the only tax increase that might not affect the masses is the one on investment income……ALL the others will be imposed on us.
The dems just passed a super duper version of a lifetime SPLOST and the lemmings in favor either don’t care or have no clue as to how it affects them………..
And for the record, a tax on insurance providers must come from premiums paid by the individual just so some may have a clue………..
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 1st, 2012
1:50 pm
AmVet: Reagan still has the record. He also caused us to go from being the world’s largest international creditor to the world’s largest debtor nation.
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Obozo has run up three times as much debt as Our President Reagan did in eight years.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 1st, 2012
1:51 pm
If you want to talk about Jay’s blog, how about doing it on Jay’s blog?
AmVet
July 1st, 2012
2:02 pm
Lil, BB/WoW, no wonder that you never show your work. And I do mean never. And ODS is not a good enough reason.
i.e., why don’t you ever provide any data, evidence, facts, links, etc that can be corroborated?
Because the reality differs so drastically from what you write? And at least focus long enough to stay on topic. You start off with the subject of greatest tax increases and then when challenged, you move off to the national debt.
In high school, you would get an F for that…
Bruno
July 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
I noticed you took the sc decision personally and was wondering how it will effect your job?
Hard to say, getalife. Because I’m slightly outside of the medical mainstream, it’s up in the air right now. Most likely, I will benefit due to insurance equality laws, but there are no guarantees. On the flip side, I don’t carry health insurance, and will now have to pay the fine.
The biggest issue to me, however, is the loss of freedom this ruling represents. The slippery slope just turned into an avalanche. Finally, as I’ve discussed in detail, if “universal coverage” was the goal, then using private insurance companies as the vehicle is the most expensive, most problematic way to go.
Hope I answered your question.
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
2:07 pm
Finally, as I’ve discussed in detail, if “universal coverage” was the goal, then using private insurance companies as the vehicle is the most expensive, most problematic way to go.
Agreed. The true beneficiaries of this are the insurance industry.
@@
July 1st, 2012
2:34 pm
Finally, as I’ve discussed in detail, if “universal coverage” was the goal, then using private insurance companies as the vehicle is the most expensive, most problematic way to go.
Keep in mind that the dems did ^^^ THAT without any input from the GOP.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
I’d love to ridicule the Egyptian people for electing some muslim brotherhood lunatic to rule over them but the guy we got ruling over us ain’t no better.
@@
July 1st, 2012
2:55 pm
The Turkish jet shot out of the sky by Syrian fire was almost certainly hit by a rocket provided by the Russians—who might have pressed the button as well, reports Owen Matthews.
Can ANYONE really trust Putin?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/01/russian-rocket-downed-turkish-plane-say-sources.html
The Armed Forces on Saturday 30/6/2012 officially handed over power to president Mohamed Morsi , the first elected president after Jan. 25th Revolution.
Sure they did.
I watched an interview with Condoleeza Rice the other night. The Egyptian elections were discussed. She congratulated the Egyptian people, then talked about how Morsi, like many community organizers, will find his rhetorical flourishes don’t get him very far.
Talking about leading and actually leading are two totally different things.
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
2:59 pm
Can ANYONE really trust Putin?
Only if their interests coincide with his.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 1st, 2012
3:08 pm
AmVet: Lil, BB/WoW, no wonder that you never show your work…why don’t you ever provide any data, evidence, facts, links, etc that can be corroborated?
———
Just today on this very thread I posted some data and a link documenting the Obozocare tax increases.
I understand why you wouldn’t want to see that posted, but it was.
Wake up, Mr. Magoo.
@@
July 1st, 2012
3:11 pm
Hillbilly:
Putin’s skills are in the waiting game. He’s been in a holding pattern for years…flying under the radar…doing what Putin does best.
Putin is among the reasons I favor ramping up our natural gas exploration.
Frak Putin!
(ISH)
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 1st, 2012
3:11 pm
Note that shares of health insurers dropped when SCOTUS announced their decision.
Obozocare is anti-free-market. Mainly because free markets are reality-based.
marko
July 1st, 2012
3:21 pm
In 1862, during the height of the civil war, congress passed the homestead act. It provided 160 acres of free land to anyone that would live on it, and develop it for five years. What a bunch of socialist. They wouldn’t have gotten away with that kind of nonsense had the southern planters not seceded from the union. Wealthy Southerners hated the idea of free land. They tended to favor the tried and true method of buying it on the cheap side, and letting your slaves work it for you. You know the classic capitalism vs. socialism sort of thing.
How did we go from giving away free land to having temper tantrums over healthcare? Maybe things were better in the good old days. At least people had enough sense to act in their own best interest. Mitts has had the generous tax cuts W bequeathed him for well over a decade now. Inquiring minds want to know where the jobs we were promised went. Weren’t they supposed to stimulate growth or something? Maybe if you point and scream at Obama long enough people won’t notice that Mitts not wearing his magic underwear. Fact is, Mitts not wearing any underwear at all.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 1st, 2012
3:26 pm
The government had the land to give away.
When they “give” health care to the moochers, they first have to take other citizens’ property in order to pay for it. Taxpayers are thereby enslaved in the service of politicians, in other words.
Thanks, Democrats.
Dave
July 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Kyle, the “Roberts Court” like the late, lamented “Kennedy Court” is leaving the heavy rowing to us. Don’t like the way eminent domain is playing out? Change it. Don’t think it’s a good idea to have guns hither and yon, don’t like corporations mascarading as people? Change them. Don’t like Obamacare. You know the answer by now. I think it is the GOP’s turn to say something other than no. Give us a reasoned alternative. Not the Romney approach of saying he’s in favor of all the stuff that people want but not saying just how it’s going to be paid for without a mandate. Those without the means should just die in the gutter (quietly please)? No? We should have universal health care? Good, now pay for it a different way, or shut up.
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
After the War Between the States, they gave 20 mile wide right of ways to the railroads. The railroads built railroads and sold the rest of the land at great profit. That’s how many of the great railroad fortunes were made.
They could’ve given some of that land to the Freedman but they didn’t. The Radical Republicans needed them to stay in the South, so the party could maintain control. When the Freedman figured out the Radical Republicans were no more their friend than anybody else, Reconstruction came to an end.
And I’m not a Mormon but I was under the impression that “magic underwear” was considered a slur.
@@
July 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Mitt’s going commando?
Bruno
July 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
Keep in mind that the dems did ^^^ THAT without any input from the GOP.
@@–I’m sure you’re aware that the Dems keep getting political mileage by claiming that the mandate is strictly a Republican idea. Funny thing is that I never saw any Republican co-sponsors to the ACA. In fact, it has been Republicans leading the charge to repeal the bill. I can only hope that the voters understand who is for and against ObamaCare and vote accordingly.
Bruno
July 1st, 2012
3:54 pm
In 1862, during the height of the civil war, congress passed the homestead act. It provided 160 acres of free land to anyone that would live on it, and develop it for five years.
Brilliant reasoning, marko. I can’t think of any differences between 1862 and now…..
They BOTH suck
July 1st, 2012
3:56 pm
Orange
If you do not mind me asking, are you under a company plan or an individual plan that your purchase for yourself and family?
They BOTH suck
July 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
Wrong blog, ladies and gents. Sorry about my 3:56
Good day to you
RW-(the original)
July 1st, 2012
4:02 pm
Mitt’s going commando?
Are you guys just teeing things up getalife’s Willard comments?
RW-(the original)
July 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
…for…
Insert appropriately
@@
July 1st, 2012
4:12 pm
Getalife’s Willard comments?
He’s into Romney’s underwear, is he?
Semper’s always said the dems are eager to get their hands in your shorts.
@@
July 1st, 2012
4:21 pm
The heat has kilt my squash plants AND my cucumber plants.
Kilt ‘em dead.
Year after year, I’ve asked my husband to construct something that’ll support a shade cloth. He has yet to come thru on that request.
NO VEGETABLES FOR HIM!
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
4:32 pm
Year after year, I’ve asked my husband to construct something that’ll support a shade cloth. He has yet to come thru on that request.
Take two sticks or poles, stick ‘em in the ground, then you can tie something at the top or lean something against the top that will shade them. Put a rock or two on whatever you’re using at the bottom to keep the wind from blowing it away. Simple, low cost and effective. Depending on what you’re trying to shade, you may have to do it plant by plant or you may be able to use it for several.
I shade my tomato plants by sticking scrap pieces of vinyl siding through the cages. Works pretty good, although tomatoes aren’t going to do much when it gets above 90 degrees, anyway. They usually bounce back when the temp drops, though.
If you’re where you can, it also helps to plant where stuff will be in the shade in the PM. It’s the morning sun that makes stuff grow.
This year is going to teach people a lot of lessons about farming and gardening. Lesson one: you’re always at the mercy of the weather, which you have no control over.
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
4:34 pm
Oh and if Dusty drops by, I nearly got run over by a deer yesterday. I’m glad it evaded me. I don’t want to tangle with a deer, even if it is antlerless.
@@
July 1st, 2012
4:50 pm
Hillbilly:
If you’re where you can, it also helps to plant where stuff will be in the shade in the PM. It’s the morning sun that makes stuff grow.
That was my next plan of attack.
Look babe, it’s gonna be one or the other. Choose your weapon. Will it be posthole diggers or tractor?
I’m more than happy to help. He only let me drive the tractor once. Worried me to death watching my every move.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
Lesson one: you’re always at the mercy of the weather, which you have no control over.
Happened to my corn last year, one day we had a heavy rain that soaked the soil, the next day we had a heavy wind that pushed the corn over.
But it was my fault, I planted in late June. Had I planted it in early May like I shoulda, it would have been harvested.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
I am just looking for planet kolob and where to buy some magic underwear.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
RIP @@’s vegetables.
Hey Semper, you can eat all the vegetables you want at Ryans’s.
marko
July 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
Yes Mitts going commando, or the emperors wearing no clothes if you prefer. The point is that we were promised jobs and growth a long time before Obama showed up on he scene. Why does he deserve sole credit for the reeking toilet his predecessors failed to unclog? Mitt got wealthy out sourcing jobs, not creating them Massachusetts was 47th, in the nation, in job growth under his imperial realm. Why all the confidence that Mitts da man?
Is magic underwear a slur? I don’t know? I do think that opposed to being black, female, Hispanic or gay, being Mormon is a choice. and those that chose to believe insane nonsense don’t deserve the same deference that those who had no choice in the matter do. Though I’ve met many fine people of the church of Jesus Christ and the later Day Saints persuasion, it hasn’t stopped me from considering Joseph Smith a polygamist fraud and charlatan. I’ve no problem with Jesus, but the later day saints come across as delusional wack jobs. Is God really six foot two, Are Jesus and Satan really brothers and the Indians really the lost tribes of Israel? Are those that seem predisposed to believing goofy nonsense really the best qualified to lead us all?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 1st, 2012
5:20 pm
Obozo is a Christian and therefore believes in some goofy nonsense too, right? Fish and bread appearing out of nowhere? Jesus “rising from the dead”? Deaf people hearing again?
You’re a hypocrite, marko.
marko
July 1st, 2012
5:24 pm
My daughter instructs me that people don’t use the word charlatan anymore, Sorry my bad.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
Last time I checked, Hairy Reed was a Mormon.
@@
July 1st, 2012
5:26 pm
Too funny! A poster from Democratic Underground.
The “Thank you” is to die for.
schnirt
Dave
July 1st, 2012
5:27 pm
Charlatan is fine, my bad should have been avoided even when it was trendy.
Uh Oh
July 1st, 2012
5:32 pm
“Last time I checked, Hairy Reed was a Mormon.”
Well last time I checked, Reid was a little weird as well. Not sure if it is his religion, I doubt it, but he is a little weird.
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
5:35 pm
@@
You don’t need anything as elaborate as a tractor or post hole diggers. You just need a stick or pole 2″ in diameter or even less. Sharpen one end of it and just drive it in the ground. If the ground is soft, you don’t even have to do that, just push it in. Keep it simple. (ISH).
Kamchak
I usually plant corn in late March/early April but you can plant it on up to late June, if it’s a 90 day variety. Corn is usually 90-120 days, depending on the variety.
************
My view on Mormonism is this, I, too, know some who are fine people. Theologically, they’re way off from me but that’s up to them and God to sort out. I figure they deserve the same amount of respect as everybody else.
marko
July 1st, 2012
5:36 pm
Joseph Smith was four years old when Charles Darwin was born in 1809. One penned Origin of the Species The other wrote The Book of Mormon? I wonder which books claims have stood the test of time? I find that religion is like a fine wine. The older the better. Make mine bronze age please.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
Hairy Reed is a LOT weird and that’s because he’s a dummycrat, not because he’s a Mormon.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
The Bible predates Origin of Species by juuuuust a few years, so marko no doubt believes it’s more authoritative. Is older goofiness better than more recent goofiness?
Obozo chose to be a Christian. According to marko, he’s bought into everything the Bible says, but marko’s OK with THAT goofiness.
You’re a hypocrite marko. And your Moron King Obozo is one goofy dude.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
5:48 pm
Hillbilly D
The conventional wisdom up here in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns. is that you don’t plant until May 1st and it proved itself this year as we had a frost the last week in April. My early azalea blooms were a sickly brown by May 1st.
Uh Oh
July 1st, 2012
5:55 pm
“The Bible predates Origin of Species by juuuuust a few years”
The Bible itself or the writings in the Bible?
just sayn
Bruno
July 1st, 2012
5:56 pm
I figure they deserve the same amount of respect as everybody else.
Tip o’ the cap to you, HD.
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
Kamchak
I forgot you’re in NC. A light frost won’t really hurt corn but I’d go with the local wisdom. A light frost will kill it back a bit but it’ll come right back when it warms up.
I’ve heard Daddy talk about when he was a kid, planting corn in May and it was spitting snow. That would’ve been in the early to mid 1930’s.
I usually don’t plant my warm weather stuff until late April/early May. It will come up, if you plant earlier, but it’s not going to grow until the ground warms up anyway. Not much replanting that way.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
6:06 pm
Hillbilly D
Not knowing a whole lot about gardening has lead me to a pretty good relationship with my local seed/feed guy. I toyed with the idea of planting early because it was unusually warm this past March, and asked the guy about it. He advised against it, but left the choice up to me. In essence he said, “You can plant now, but you’ll just be back to buy more seeds.”
My estimation of him shot up about 15 points after that, and I won’t buy from anyone else unless he just doesn’t have what I need.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 1st, 2012
6:06 pm
The writings that make up the new testament were completed in the first century AD. Origin of Species came juuuuuust a bit later.
In marko’s “book” that makes them more credible than Origin of Species.
Obozo sure does believe some goofy stuff!
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
6:15 pm
Kamchak
More folks should be like your seed man. The world would be a better place.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
6:15 pm
Too hard to seperate church and state I guess
@@
July 1st, 2012
6:18 pm
Love means
neverhaving to say your sorry. That’s the message being bandied about next door.A “real” kumbaya moment. Strength and power in togetherness.
Comical.
@@
July 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
Whoops!
your should be you’re
Uh Oh
July 1st, 2012
6:21 pm
“Too hard to separate church and state I guess”
As hard or easy any given politician or party wishes to do it?
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
6:28 pm
To Tiberius from earlier read this article from 2007 about our economy
questions.about why our economie is messed up will be answered since I dont have time to look for it
http://m.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
6:34 pm
Love means never having to say your sorry.
Never apologize for anything; it’s a sign of weakness. I saw that in a John Wayne western, once.
@@
July 1st, 2012
6:56 pm
Hillbilly:
From this day forward, I want you to call me The Duke…not to be confused with The Great Lebowski’s Dude, although I do LUV me some Bridges (Jeff), not the ones ‘ya have to cross.
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
7:02 pm
@@
You don’t walk funny like John Wayne did, do you? (IWH)
@@
July 1st, 2012
7:06 pm
Hillbilly:
Did you know that Jeff Bridges married a waitress?
In an interview with Reader’s Digest, Oscar-winner Jeff Bridges recalls his first meeting and subsequent romance with Susan Geston whom he met while she was working as a waitress/maid on the set of Bridges’ film “Rancho Deluxe.”
“It took me all day to finally get up the nerve to ask her out. And she said no.”
Obviously, the relationship ended up working out and the couple has been together for 35 years. But Bridges says he knew after one week of shooting that he was in love and that Geston would be his wife.
How sweet is that?
@@
July 1st, 2012
7:10 pm
Hillbilly:
Unfortunately there’s not a bit of swish in my swagger. Lawd knows I’ve tried, but if it ain’t there, it ain’t there.
@@
July 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
Piers Morgan: When you won the award for best actor, what did you feel?
Jeff Bridges: (Sigh) I felt my folks, man. I feel like I’m an extension of them really.
Kewl!
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
7:36 pm
@@
If you’ve never seen “Rancho Deluxe”, watch it if you get the chance. Late in the movie, Slim Pickens, I believe it was, utters the immortal line. “All major crime is an inside job”. Talk about hitting the nail on the head.
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
7:37 pm
@@
And by the way, down through the years, some of my best friends have been waitresses. They work might hard for their $2.13 an hour.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
July 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
Wow, Tenacity. An opinion piece written by an Ivy-League professor.
Color me shocked that he provided no actual proof (just supposition) that Bush’s policies caused the recession. Funny how he didn’t supply a single, solitary bill that was passed / supported by Bush that can be pointed to as the one that did it.
This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. By and large, liberals wait for people to tell them what to think. Conservatives actually think.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
8:17 pm
By and large, liberals wait for people to tell them what to think. Conservatives actually think.
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
Just sayin’.
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July 1st, 2012
8:39 pm
“It’s a ta—; it’s a penalty for free riders,” Nasty Pelosi said, nearly uttering the dreaded T-word before cutting herself off.
And if it is a penalty, then it is illegal according to the Supreme Court.
td
July 1st, 2012
8:43 pm
I heard some commentary today about Roberts and how the left will totally despise him this time next year when he writes the opinion to do away with affirmative action and the enforcement section voting rights act.
I do not like that he upheld Obamacare but the decision had two points to it that is very promising. 1: Precedents have been set on limiting the power on Congress and the commerce clause. 2: The limit on the Feds and their ability to strong arm the states.
If we the (American people) elect people to represent us that will raise our taxes (as penalties) then we are getting what we deserve.
This should be a conservative wake up call that elections have consequences and when we (conservatives) want to teach our elected officials a lesson and sit on our a$$es in an election and allow the progressives to have huge majorities then we deserve what we get. Politics is not a sprint but it is rather a never ending marathon and until we (conservatives) realize this and stayed engaged and hold our elected officials feet to the fire then we will continue to be disappointed.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
9:02 pm
Are you really defending Bush and the predicament he and the GOP put this country in. especially after clintion left him with a 2.2 trillion surplus that he mostly handed out in tax cuts far as most the country is concerned his presidency was a failure and your a nut if you believe anything else.Was his extension of social security considered socialism to you?especially after he spent all thatmoney already.I may not know the exact bills that allowed for all the abuse in the private and publiv sector but I do know they were enacted during his two terms. Democrats arent that friendly with wallstreet it has always been republican for deregulations. I giess when I speak to you I have a set of givens I feel everyone should already know and no I will not cite everything I type because that is doing to much look it up yourself.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
Td
There wont be a republican president for a while if your base keeps killing the moderates. Give a little get alot but they just dont want to give on anything worth a damn. How are they really defending bush tax cuts as is.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
I finished my research, T365!
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
Yep, you can see the very day that the economy tanked, and go figure, it’s almost the exact same time that obozo got nominated.
huh
Hillbilly D
July 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
The Meltdown was a long time coming. It spanned several administrations with NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Stegall among other things. There’s plenty of blame to go around.
@@
July 1st, 2012
9:18 pm
And the blue dogs? Who killed them?
@@
July 1st, 2012
9:20 pm
Who “kilt” them? I was over in Henry County the other night. Some guy in the restaurant was sporting a kilt.
Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
I highly recommend that any reader – who is interested in an in depth discussion of America’s idealism, spirituality, the thinking of our founding fathers as well as Lincoln’s and Frederick Douglass’ – listen to this hour presentation, through interview, with philosopher and professor, Jacob Needleman, as presented, today, on Public Radio. See link, below:
http://www.onbeing.org/program/inward-work-democracy-jacob-needleman/222/extraaudio?embed=1
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
9:24 pm
Ya sure than why did Bush propose bailout and hand it over to Obama to fine tune before his term was up. Bush wouldnt have supported that without knowing what was sure to transpire.
RW-(the original)
July 1st, 2012
9:24 pm
2.2 trillion surplus?!? I guess when you go delusional you may as well go all in.
http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16/
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
9:26 pm
No one can be responsible for a tanking economie at the time of there nominee
@@
July 1st, 2012
9:26 pm
Two little girls explain the ‘worst haircut ever’ (AUDIO)
Asked why she performed the impromptu trim, Sadie reasoned, “”It was almost all the way down to her tush. And if she grew it any longer, when she wiped her butt, her hair would like, go, into the toilet. And it would be gross.”
Too cute.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
RW
I was talking about the end of the Clinton\ beginning of bushs first term
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
9:29 pm
Sorry for the long post but look at these two bozos having having mind sex with each other-
The Intuition Network, A Thinking Allowed Television Underwriter, presents the following transcript from the series Thinking Allowed, Conversations On the Leading Edge of Knowledge and Discovery, with Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove.
SPIRITUALITY AND THE INTELLECT with JACOB NEEDLEMAN
JEFFREY MISHLOVE: Hello and welcome. Our topic today is “Spirituality and the Intellect.” You know, so often we think of spirituality as dealing with the realm which is beyond the intellect, beyond ego, beyond time and space itself — a realm touching the infinite, the divine. The intellect, on the other hand, is concrete, is tangible; it deals with numbers, with concepts. And yet, clearly these two realms somehow intersect, somehow have an important role in which they overlap and interact with each other. My guest today is Professor Jacob Needleman, a member of the Philosophy Department of San Francisco State University. Dr. Needleman is the author of numerous books, including A Sense of the Cosmos, The Heart of Philosophy, The Way of the Physician, a novel called Sorcerers, and also The New Religions. Welcome, Jacob.
JACOB NEEDLEMAN: I’m glad to be here.
MISHLOVE: It’s a pleasure to have you here. Let’s start with perhaps the greatest figure in all of philosophy, that of Socrates. Socrates seems in his life to bridge this gap between the spirit and the intellect, and most people would agree that he is one of, if not the greatest, philosopher; and yet he never left any writings whatsoever.
NEEDLEMAN: Well, he was a philosopher in the original sense of the term, which is a lover of wisdom. That’s what the word means — to love, to seek wisdom. And wisdom is not just something in the head. Wisdom is a state of the whole human being. A person who is wise not only knows the truth, but can live it. So the philosopher Socrates was someone who seeks to be wisdom, not simply to know facts and propositions and ideas. He was a teacher of wisdom in that sense, a seeker.
MISHLOVE: One has the sense — and I imagine you feel this quite acutely yourself — that contemporary philosophy, academic philosophy, has deviated a great deal from the path that was set down by the ancient philosophers such as Socrates.
NEEDLEMAN: The whole culture has deviated from that. We’ve all deviated from that. The whole modern culture tempts us and draws us into just one part of ourselves, and Socrates and Plato after him taught that only the completely integrated being is a true human being. So yes, academic philosophy has deviated from that. But almost all of our lives, we no longer have that in our hands.
MISHLOVE: And if our culture as a whole is really moved away from this sense of being whole people, then I guess we have to look at alternatives to the mainstream culture — to the esoteric or counterculture examples, perhaps, which I know you’ve explored extensively — to get a handle on what was once mainstream ancient wisdom.
NEEDLEMAN: Yes, we have to look. Many people are looking, and many things are breaking through that we didn’t know about or take seriously before — from ancient times, from the East, from God knows where. This seems to be a time when everything is pouring in. And certainly we need some new life, new understanding, in our culture.
MISHLOVE: What is your sense, if I can put the question to you directly — you’re a professor of psychology –
NEEDLEMAN: Professor of philosophy.
MISHLOVE: I’m sorry, my mistake. I knew that. You’re a professor of philosophy, but you speak to many groups. You speak to physicians, you speak to people in many different communities — students, amongst others. How can you communicate this sense to people of what philosophy is?
NEEDLEMAN: I’ll tell you, it’s a very strange thing. And it may even sound sort of obvious, but I don’t think it is. I’ve discovered it in my work with groups like you’ve mentioned — doctors, businesspeople, psychologists, religious educators, young people. Real inquiry is a tremendous moral transforming force. And that’s what Socrates was — he was inquiring, searching, questioning. And he knew how to do that. It’s not just questioning and looking for a quick answer or an explanation, but the process of inquiry — of questioning, of opening — opens something in the human being which has not been touched in our culture. So it’s really not a question of whether you’re in this field or that field. Everybody who is human has in themselves the potential of passionate inquiry after truth, and that’s the transforming force. Now that’s what I’m doing, no matter where I am. I’m trying.
MISHLOVE: It may have been a bit serendipitous that I referred to you as a psychologist, because it seems as if what you’re really talking about is the psyche itself — the ancient term which refers to the soul.
NEEDLEMAN: Absolutely. It was never separate. Philosophy and psychology were always together, and it’s only a modern thing in our culture that there has been a separation between the search for wisdom and transcendence, and the study of the mind, one’s own mind and all its possibilities, not just the pathology. So it’s true; the twentieth century is the time when philosophy and psychology got separated off, but it never was that in the past. So yes, I would like to think of myself as trying to be a psychologist, in the ancient sense, as well as a philosopher.
MISHLOVE: When we deal with the realm of the intellect, with the realm of concepts, you’ve introduced a very interesting distinction I’d like to bring up, and that is the difference between a concept and an idea.
NEEDLEMAN: That’s a tough one. It took me a lot in my book to explain it.
MISHLOVE: It meant a lot to me when I read it.
NEEDLEMAN: It’s hard to put it in a quick description. A concept is a kind of mental tool for organizing data and facts. It’s like an aspect of a computer, or a filing system, and very useful. But it’s part of a rather automatic part of the mind which the human being has, which is very useful. An idea is like an expression of a fundamental reality — a force, in a way. Sometimes it takes its expression in words, an abstract formula; sometimes it’s in images; sometimes it’s in geometric forms, in art forms. So the verbal expression of ideas is only one way of communicating, of speaking about something that goes beyond just the isolated intellect to understand. It’s very hard to put this quickly in any other way. But ideas come from a deeper level of the human mind. Concepts are the ordinary mind functioning as it should to organize, cut, dry, put in file cabinets, and do all that.
MISHLOVE: In other words, normally when we think of the work of the intellect we’re thinking about concepts that it deals with. Ideas are something that the intellect is also engaged in, but ideas penetrate deeper; they have a greater transformative power.
All that^^ and they haven’t said a damn thing.
You liberals know how to bask in yourselves, that’s for sure.
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July 1st, 2012
9:31 pm
Isn’t it a bit presumptive to have a radio show called Thinking Allowed?
And what sort of zombie falls for this?
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July 1st, 2012
9:35 pm
T365- The bailout kept the stock market from collapsing. Congratulations on awarding obozo’s one and only success to Bush.
RW-(the original)
July 1st, 2012
9:36 pm
I was talking about the end of the Clinton\ beginning of bushs first term
Yes, I know and my statement and evidence stand
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
9:36 pm
And I suppose you know it all with your matter of fact self. Maybe you should do some philosophical reflection like Socrates I always felt his teachings could help solve alot of questions
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
9:37 pm
And another thing, Thinking Allowed, Conversations on the Leading Edge of Knowledge and Discovery, needs your tax dollars to survive.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
9:39 pm
T365- For some reason, I’m not thinking that Jacob Needleman is the second coming of Socrates.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
9:41 pm
I didnt say the bailout was wrong I was examining how he is still atatcked for it from the right
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
9:41 pm
Jacob Needleman is what we like to call a “windbag.”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
9:47 pm
T365- Because after 3.5 years of easy money, all you’re doing is pumping up the stock market bubble. Notice how the mere mention of QE3 causes things to sky rocket? He should have eased out of this false inflation after the first round.
Now all we got is a bunch of junkies waiting for their next fix. And withdrawal ain’t gonna be very fun.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
9:48 pm
Do you think obama was accomadating in makeing a bipartisan healthcare bill. What would you change or is everyone has to pay into it your only issue.
RW-(the original)
July 1st, 2012
9:49 pm
Maybe he’s like So-Crates of Bill and Ted fame…
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I enjoyed spending part of the weekend here with some old friends. Hope to do it again someday soon.
Goodnight y’all. Have a happy and safe Independence Day and try not to get to depressed about how few of us seem to want to be independent anymore.
md
July 1st, 2012
9:51 pm
“Never apologize for anything; it’s a sign of weakness.”
Also a good way for a married man to practice celibacy…….
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
9:51 pm
You don’t have the internets where your at, RW?
md
July 1st, 2012
9:56 pm
“What would you change or is everyone has to pay into it your only issue.”
Everyone not having to pay into it is the issue……it’s merely another enabling entitlement program disguised as a program of help……..it will help alright, it will help us get to the edge of the cliff that much faster.
cbo says 1.7 trillion over 10 years……on top of the 16 trillion debt we have and the 1.5 trillion we are short every year as it is……..it doesn’t take a math wiz to see that those numbers are heading in the wrong direction……….
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
9:56 pm
T365- First of all, when did obozo produce a “bi partisan” solution to health care?
I’m sure public radio is full of poison about Republicans not having anything to offer but my sources tell me that exchanges able to do business across state lines and limits on tort liability would produce competition and lower costs.
This is not a dummycrat idea, by the way.
@@
July 1st, 2012
9:56 pm
I’m more of an Aristotle fan, myself. “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”
Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
9:59 pm
I Report, I posted the link for Jacob Needleman’s interview at 9:21 this evening. That interview was done in 2003 for “On Being” on PBS regarding our nation’s history. It was an hour’s interview.
You began criticizing Needleman at 9:29 pm. Obviously, you did not listen to the interview. What you have excerpted and posted on this thread is not from that interview. If you were to take the time to listen to the full hour of the “On Being” interview, I believe that you would find it enlightening. I hope that you and others will do so. It is inspirational as well as lifting of the heart and mind.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
10:05 pm
By cutting out single payer which changed the format also helping business by taking responibilitie from them. And I believe they allowed that provision you speak of.
@@
July 1st, 2012
10:06 pm
Notice how the mere mention of QE3 causes things to sky rocket?
I’ve noticed. Boy, have I noticed.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
10:07 pm
The way I see things repubs are for the rich wallstreet and corporations. The rest of us are just peasents
getalife
July 1st, 2012
10:08 pm
There was plenty of blame to go around for the collapse but would love to see the list of names.
Not sure why Andy listens to lib radio but that conversation he posted was boring.
Anyhoo, if I ever meet a Mormon I have to ask where in the universe is planet kolob and if I wear magic underwear, what happens to my libido.
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
10:09 pm
@@ I like that
getalife
July 1st, 2012
10:10 pm
Andy,
Your take on wall street junkies is spot on.
I noticed it too.
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July 1st, 2012
10:12 pm
Mary-
Jacob Needleman is an American philosopher. He is professor of philosophy at San Francisco State University.
This^^ is what’s wrong with America.
Our country was not built by a bunch of faculty loungers day dreaming about mountaintops and the like. All the while charging people exorbitant tuitions to come and listen to their day dreams. Have you seen our educational rankings lately? Have you seen the unemployment rates for recent college graduates? Who wants to hire some zoned out philosopher?
Is this like some peyote experience for y’all?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
10:16 pm
Who wants to hire some zoned out philosopher?
Breitbart .com.
Just sayin’.
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July 1st, 2012
10:17 pm
T365- They passed this monstrosity on Christmas Day at 3 in the morning, when all the Repugs were home with their families. What version are you working with here?
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
10:18 pm
Actually I report you wine many philosphers shaped the mind of many people through the teaching of Henry David thouroeau, John Locke and many more. everyman must go through his journey of realization and philosophical methods like the socratic method are great and have influenced many
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July 1st, 2012
10:20 pm
Breitbart scored a few big ones in your a$$, didn’t they, Upchuk?
Still stings, don’t it?
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
10:20 pm
The version without the single payer system that was passed
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 1st, 2012
10:25 pm
Yeah man, someday we can all go to the mountaintop and ponder it all, but right now I’m pretty sure we just need to put the people back to work.
Which means the day dreamers, false prophets and pied pipers need to step aside and let the movers and shakers back in the game.
Romney knows what I’m talking, er, philosophizing about.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
10:30 pm
Breitbart scored a few big ones in your a$$, didn’t they, Upchuk?
Andy
Is it true you bragged that you got rid of Luckovich and you had the same plans for Jay B.?
If so:
1) Was getting banned by Jay B. part of your plan?
2) If not, do you consider this a major or minor set -back?
How is that working out for you?
Jay B. wants to know.
Oh, and about Breitbart — anyone that hires a tool like “independent film-maker” James O’Keefe, isn’t playing with a full deck.
Just sayin’.
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July 1st, 2012
10:32 pm
T365- Ben Nelson was the only Republican voting in favor and they had to bribe him. What planet are you calling in from?
md
July 1st, 2012
10:33 pm
The irony of the 1% liberal professors denying the 99% an affordable education is a bit comical in my book…..got to pay for that tenure though don’t they………
Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
10:34 pm
Again, I Report, I simply urge you to listen to the full hour of the Needleman interview. If you do so, I think you will be less angry. What the world makes manifest is, first, thought. To change the world for the better, including jobs and other basic human rights as outlined by FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt, meaningful thought must precede action.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
10:35 pm
Oh, philosophy.
willard is a job killer Andy.
His record as governor was bad on jobs Andy.
I think we should stay with steady job growth and could use a huge project like the green energy project in Germany.
AmVet
July 1st, 2012
10:38 pm
md, I suspect that you are dead wrong about “professors”.
Why? Because you have no earthly idea what it takes to constitute a 1%er.
For your edification.
One needs to either make around $385,000 per year or have net assets worth $8.4million.
How many college professors do you suppose are in that group?
But if it makes you feel better to blame them…
md
July 1st, 2012
10:38 pm
Hey get, looks as if F&F is far from over………
“Republicans to Challenge Obama’s Executive Privilege in Civil Court”
And who in their right mind wouldn’t want to know the whole story??
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July 1st, 2012
10:41 pm
Upchuk- Yes, I did set out to get rid of kookman. And I did.
He is reduced to monitoring his blog 24/7 and censoring all dissenting opinions, and probably still gets harassed by MoveOn.org all hours of the day.
You may think 2200 incoherent comments a day is some sort of achievement, but I know better.
And you might want to check the comments from time to time, I ragged him about getting Tebowed last year. That’s not much of a “ban.” I couldn’t even care less about becoming a part of that non stop psycho babble.
Other than that, I do enjoy an occasional taunt.
md
July 1st, 2012
10:43 pm
Amvet……perception changes those numbers……true, in a true technical sense your figures are probably right concerning the 1%……but in reality, that 1% now stands for just about anybody considered to be “rich”…….it’s all relative.
Are we to believe the occupy movement and other like protests limit their wrath to those making 385 k a year?? 384k is just fine and dandy??
Too funny……..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
10:45 pm
Upchuk- Yes, I did set out to get rid of kookman. And I did.
Did get rid of?
I don’t think that phrase means what you think it means.
Just sayin’.
RW-(the original)
July 1st, 2012
10:45 pm
Andy,
I have the internets just not the time. You better check your Ben Nelson factoid. He’s been a Democrat all along.
See ya!
@@
July 1st, 2012
10:47 pm
Youngest Voters Shed Image as Obama’s Army
Today, specifically, the youngest potential voters are more likely than their older peers to think it is important to protect individual liberties from government, the Harvard data suggest, and less likely to think it is important to tackle things like climate change, health care or immigration.
Mr. Tevlin, for instance, found the Supreme Court ruling upholding Mr. Obama’s health care law troubling.
“I don’t think the government should force you to buy anything,” he said.
There IS hope!
getalife
July 1st, 2012
10:47 pm
“I think you will be less angry.”
I have read ” report” (Andy) for a decade and the only time I have seen him less angry was when he was fishing.
Just sayin.
md
July 1st, 2012
10:50 pm
“The court on Thursday gave states the authority to opt out of the massive expansion of the Medicaid program that is a key component of the law. In 2014, that expansion would extend Medicaid to about 650,000 poor and low-income Georgians who do not qualify for the program today. ”
“Georgia is facing a $300 million Medicaid shortfall this fiscal year. ”
Nah…..this bill won’t be a tax…..it’s full of nothing but sugar plums and fairies……
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
10:50 pm
I didnt say the.vote wasnt partisan I was just asking how do you think Obama did concerning all the changes to please republicans which ultimately had his.own party saying he gave them to much
AmVet
July 1st, 2012
10:51 pm
censoring all dissenting opinions
Victimhood BS.
I have never once seen him “censor” anyone, ever for their views or potions or ideology. He does censor foul-mouthed posts full of personal and unprovoked insults. As YOU well know.
And if he does censor all differing opinions how in gawds name do you explain the multitude of Republicans there?
You’ve not change one iota, Andy.
but in reality, that 1% now stands for just about anybody considered to be “rich”
Your reality. Because intellectual honesty and knowing the actual facts of these matters and using them correctly is apparently optional.
As further evidenced by your intentional and sophist misrepresentation of the aims of the OWS protests…
AmVet
July 1st, 2012
10:52 pm
Potions? Make that positions, as in political positions…
getalife
July 1st, 2012
10:52 pm
@@,
If you drive a car, government forces you to buy insurance or get locked up.
Heck, the gop wants to force you to but an id to vote.
md
July 1st, 2012
10:53 pm
“I don’t think the government should force you to buy anything,” he said.”
He must be at least 27 years old……can’t run home to mommy like his 26 year old roommate….
md
July 1st, 2012
10:55 pm
“As further evidenced by your intentional and sophist misrepresentation of the aims of the OWS protests…”
So we ARE to believe they draw the line at 384k…….
Still laughing here Am…….
AmVet
July 1st, 2012
10:58 pm
So we ARE to believe they draw the line at 384k…….
Wrong pronoun.
At least have enough convictions in your own made up beliefs that you don’t have to create imaginary allies to make them seem worthwhile…
md
July 1st, 2012
11:01 pm
And yes Am, I tend to find the ows protests a bit comical when they should be out using the power of numbers…..they can start by using that power to dictate their own buying habits……don’t like stuff being shipped in from overseas? Ok, then use facebook to make a change……they can dictate to the powers that be if they so choose, by buying goods and services that make a difference……but it seems all they choose to do is sit around.
The evil, greedy corporations are worthless without profits……so don’t buy them.
Of course jobs will also change hands, so be careful how they play the game…….
getalife
July 1st, 2012
11:04 pm
The gop are wasting millions on lawyer welfare md.
Both cases are tossed.
Your party is great at wasting money.
md
July 1st, 2012
11:04 pm
Made up beliefs AM? I’ve been waiting for you to show me where I’m wrong…..I’ll be happy to look at anything you have that shows the direct relationship between trade imbalance and real wages is false and you just keep disappearing……..
Tenacity365
July 1st, 2012
11:05 pm
Goodnight its been a pleasure
md
July 1st, 2012
11:08 pm
“The gop are wasting millions on lawyer welfare md.”
Just gop? The lawyers rule the world……just look at the system they put in place.
They write the laws, they enforce the laws, and they create the legal language so the laymen is dependent on them……they are the lawyers, the politicians and the judges……
Pretty good job security they designed for themselves huh??
md
July 1st, 2012
11:10 pm
It’s late, gotta go…..but Am, feel free to post those links and I’ll preview them at a later date and get back to you.
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July 1st, 2012
11:12 pm
Getalife:
The government forces you to buy insurance if a driver uses their roads. Heck! I could drive a vehicle thru pastures or woods without having insurance.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
11:32 pm
“Heck! I could drive a vehicle thru pastures or woods without having insurance”
Yup and if you wreck that car, you pay for all the damages to car and property.
I would inform those young whipper snappers that one day they will get sick and hospitals are very expensive.
@@
July 1st, 2012
11:36 pm
I’ve heard tell it rains on the just and unjust.
I must fall into a third category…the justifried.
seabeau
July 2nd, 2012
5:32 am
The States need to call for a Constitutional Convention. To reapply the restrainsts placed on the Federal Government by the Founders but destoryed by the Civil War.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 2nd, 2012
6:08 am
Ooops, Ben Nelson sided with Republicans but had to be bribed.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 2nd, 2012
6:20 am
Aahhh, the personal attack squad swooped in and called me “angry.”
hahahhaha, wonders never cease to amaze.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
July 2nd, 2012
6:33 am
AmWet: “One needs to either make around $385,000 per year or have net assets worth $8.4million.
How many college professors do you suppose are in that group?”
That would be Elizabeth Warren, Democrat candidate for U.S. Senate from Massachusetts, AmWet. You’d also know her as the self-proclaimed architect of the Occupy movement. Also know as Lieawatha and/or Fauxcahontas for her false claims of Cherokee heritage. Shes also the one who plagiarized recipes submitted by her for the well-known Native American cookbook “Pow-Wow Chow”.
As Bugs Bunny might say to you, “What a maroon”!
@@
July 2nd, 2012
7:38 am
Re-election drives Obama’s legacy
“Obamacare,” as critics derisively call it and supporters adoringly do, is his Medicare, his Social Security.
The high court ensured that the law would crown Obama’s legacy. He did it with no Republican help in Congress, with half the country against him, with a Supreme Court led by a conservative chief justice who produced the surprising, deciding vote to rescue his law.
Medicare and Social Security are killing us. Obama’s legacy will bury us.
fair and balanced
July 2nd, 2012
7:54 am
The same five conservative justices stated the commerce clause can be used to justify a federal ban on home grown marijuana for private use. . Limited federal powers when they struck down Arizona’s statutes? Limited federal powers when they struck down the voting procedures upheld by the Florida Supreme Court?Whatever works on a given day is the precedent of these so called justices, Kyle go back to reading tea leaves.
independent thinker
July 2nd, 2012
7:58 am
MD- How come you are not righteously angry about Reagan giving everyone free emergency room care even if there are illegals? And how come you are not upset by George W. giving the elederly free Medicare drugs with no source of funding? Must be skin color.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
July 2nd, 2012
7:59 am
“Limited federal powers when they struck down the voting procedures upheld by the Florida Supreme Court?”
Oh, please. Preventing differing standards for determining valid votes in select counties is the very definition of “equal protection under the law”.
Crawl back under your “Bush was selected” rock.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
July 2nd, 2012
8:11 am
Welcome to the “conservatives are racists” posts by idiots like “independent thinker” (both being contradictions in terms).
In case you missed it in debate school, bub, the omission of a statement on a policy does not constitute agreement with the policy.
@@
July 2nd, 2012
8:55 am
Here we go again!
Euro falls as EU deal doubts grow, economy weakens
Stock futures flat after rally; data eyed
@@
July 2nd, 2012
8:56 am
Being spanked in childhood linked with adult mental illness, study suggests
Oh puhleeze!
JDW
July 2nd, 2012
8:58 am
@@@…”Here we go again”
“Last Friday marked the end of the first half of the trading year, with all three indexes posting strong gains for the six months. The Dow rose 5.3%. The Nasdaq surged 12.5%, and the S&P added 8%. ”
I certainly hope so!
JDW
July 2nd, 2012
8:59 am
@@@…”Being spanked in childhood linked with adult mental illness, study suggests”
WOW that explains a lot of behavior around here…
@@
July 2nd, 2012
9:02 am
The Obama Campaign is vigorously defending its attacks on Mitt Romney as an “outsourcer,” following an analysis by one independent fact-checker that called some of the claims “untrue” and others “thinly supported.”
In a six-page letter to FactCheck.org, deputy Obama campaign manager Stephanie Cutter disputes the notion that Romney cannot be held accountable for outsourcing by Bain Capital-owned companies after February 1999, when he stepped down as CEO.
What was Romney’s role in those cases? It’s not entirely clear. While Team Obama claims Romney’s departure from Bain in 1999 wasn’t a clean break, they do not present any direct evidence that Romney had a hands-on, decision-making role in any of the outsourcing cases cited in the ads.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/obama-campaign-challenges-fact-checker-report-on-romney-outsourcing/
Obama at war with the facts.
schnirt
St Simons - we're on Island time, mon
July 2nd, 2012
9:19 am
No.
Bush v Gore 5-4 was wrong with disastrous consequences to Earth
Citizens Untied 5-4 was wrong with disastrous consequences to the US
The 4 clowns in this ruling were wrong.
Roberts saved the SC from being a joke.
til the next 5-4 partisan hack ruling.
or til Fat Tony & his 2 goons get replaced, hopefully soon.
md
July 2nd, 2012
10:29 am
“MD- How come you are not righteously angry about Reagan giving everyone free emergency room care even if there are illegals? And how come you are not upset by George W. giving the elederly free Medicare drugs with no source of funding? Must be skin color.”
You need to keep your bigotry to yourself……I prefer not to share that with you.
As for Reagan……I don’t like it, but in the name of humanity I see where he was coming from. We shouldn’t turn anyone away, but giving them unlimited access is a whole different topic.
As for the drug plan……didn’t like that either…….and that is where the gop is as bad as the dnc…..neither should be using reconciliation in my opinion…….just as I disagree vehemently with Obama unilaterally setting policy by not enforcing laws……..where do you think that will lead?
Yep, the next time the gop gets in power, they will have a tendency to do the eact same thing as Obama has set the precedent…………..not good in my opinion, but the precedent has been set. If the 2 parties don’t like the actions taken by the other party, then they would be better served to set the example.