Why does Obama keep doing the things he blames Bush for?

There’s one big reason Barack Obama is getting nowhere by blaming his predecessor for all that ails us today, and it’s not because Americans have short memories. No, it’s because we have long memories — long enough to recognize Obama has been doing many of the very same things he and his supporters on the left criticize George W. Bush for doing.

The pattern has been obvious for some time, but the latest examples came with yesterday’s news that Obama was claiming executive privilege to withhold certain documents from a House investigation of the “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal.

In that 2009-10 operation, federal agents allowed about 2,000 firearms to be smuggled into Mexico. But rather than tracking down the recipients in drug cartels, the feds lost track of them — until, that is, the weapons showed up on murder scenes. The guns have been connected to the deaths of scores of Mexican citizens and a border patrol agent, Brian Terry.

Not only did then-Sen. Obama slam Bush in 2007 for “try[ing] to hide behind executive privilege” to keep information under wraps when there was “something a little shaky that’s taking place.” (That case involved no deaths, just the firing of eight U.S. attorneys, whose service at the pleasure of the president was evident when Bill Clinton fired all 93 of them upon taking office in 1993.)

But, what’s more, documents the Obama administration has released indicate Fast and Furious was similar to a smaller operation federal agents tried in 2006-07. They ended it after realizing their gun-tracking methods didn’t work. The Obama administration didn’t just ignore those bad results; it quadrupled-down on the bad blueprint.

If that reminds you of our national debt problems, join the club.

Once upon a time — call it July 3, 2008 — Obama said it was “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic” for a president to add “$4 trillion [in debt] all by his lonesome.”

Maybe he found Bush’s profligacy irresponsible and unpatriotic because it took him eight years to accomplish, whereas Obama has pulled it off in just three (not counting the 2009 fiscal year that covered the first eight months of his presidency and included the first part of his “stimulus” and hundreds of billions in other spending he OK’d).

Of course, Obama blamed Bush’s large deficits in part on “tax cuts for the rich.” Then he extended those same tax cuts in 2010 as the economy was recovering from a recession, which was also the situation when Bush signed the cuts in 2001.

Then there was the “off the books” war spending. Obama moved the war spending on the books, all right. Now Obama requests the money not via supplemental budgets, but through the regular budgets Harry Reid’s Senate has ignored the past three years.

And defense spending is, by the way, more than it was even during the final Bush years.

Maybe that’s because Obama kept the Bush timeline for withdrawing our soldiers from Iraq. After trying to negotiate an extension to keep them there longer. Just as Bush had.

And maybe it’s because he ordered a troop “surge” in tribally fractured Afghanistan. The same kind of surge he said wouldn’t work in ethnically fractured Iraq. Which Bush ordered.

Even comparatively smaller things get the blame-but-copy-Bush treatment.

Lose billions of taxpayer dollars on job-creation “investments” at private alternative-energy firms such as Solyndra? Tell Congress you were just making loans under a Bush-era program.

Workers from the General Services Administration blow $840,000 on a lavish Las Vegas conference? Answer that the trend started under the previous administration.

Blame, copy, repeat.

In fact, Google returns more than 5.6 million results for “Obama blames Bush.” I didn’t have time to check whether the president followed his predecessor’s lead in each instance.

The ship of state may turn only slowly, but three and a half years is time enough for a president to plot his own course. It’s long enough to stop doing things he describes as mistakes by the old regime.

If he hasn’t stopped repeating mistakes by now, it tells us something about his judgment, competence or both.

The last three and a half years might not quite amount to “Bush’s third term.” But they have repeated the worst of Bush’s years in a way that offers no confidence for another go-round.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Just Curious

June 21st, 2012
6:03 am

Why, because Obama really does get blamed for things Bush started. Second, there are so many GOP people burrowed into the system that it amazing that anything gets done. Third, at least now some GOPers can admit that there was “worst of Bush years” even more than being discussed in this article.

Just Curious

June 21st, 2012
6:05 am

Do some have long memories about Weapons of Mass Destruction, or Mission Accomplished, or secret energy policy, or off budget financing of a war, or a trillion dollar annual budget deficit, or Roberto Gonzales?

@@

June 21st, 2012
6:17 am

Why does Obama keep doing the things he blames Bush for?

Because it’s the easy way out.

Shortly after Obama took office, I can remember him saying “This is hard work”…I knew then he wasn’t up to the job.

Being a leader and playing one on T.V. are two totally different things. Obama’s just playing one on T.V.

It’s quite sad, really.

Really?

June 21st, 2012
6:17 am

Kyle… really… where did you go to school? Never end a sentence in a preposition as you have with the title of this blog…really? really? Likely the private schools Republicans cry for daily.

@@

June 21st, 2012
6:23 am

Really?:

You’re at the wrong blog. May I suggest…

Pizzaman

June 21st, 2012
6:29 am

60 years ago my Mother taught me to never end a sentence with a preposition. So where are the Repubs at?

#Occupy my desk...

June 21st, 2012
6:35 am

Because he’s The Amateur – just ask Bill Clinton.

jconservative

June 21st, 2012
6:40 am

Presidents do copy one another.

Reagan decided that it was a good idea to cut government revenue and increase government spending.

George H W Bush thought that was a good idea and continued the policy.

Bill Clinton thought that was a good idea and continued the policy.

George W Bush thought that was a good idea and continued the policy.

Barick Obama thought that was a good idea and continued the policy.

A Simple Man

June 21st, 2012
6:42 am

It’s okay to do those things now. He has a (D) listed with his name.

resno2

June 21st, 2012
6:51 am

let’s just hope he soon has an ‘ex’ in front of his title.

MadMax

June 21st, 2012
6:55 am

To quote Forest Gump “Stupid is as stupid does”

@@

June 21st, 2012
6:58 am

Off-topic!

Interesting how Bernanke’s announcements are seeing less of a bump on the market. Investors know the fundamentals just aren’t there.

Curious

June 21st, 2012
6:59 am

Government is similar to Frankenstein. Once brought to life, it’s virtually impossible to kill it.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
7:02 am

“Maybe he found Bush’s profligacy irresponsible and unpatriotic because it took him eight years to accomplish”
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ROFLMGDAO! Another example of Bush’s incompetence, by Obozo’s reckoning.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 21st, 2012
7:02 am

You forgot about Club Gitmo.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
7:06 am

One policy Obozo refuses to copy is Our President Bush’s policy of keeping unemployment between 4-6%. Unemployment after three-plus years of Obozo has never been lower than at any time during Our President Bush’s eight years.

Road Scholar

June 21st, 2012
7:15 am

Kyle, did you really diss Bush? I thought that he was a god to you.

Republican memory: Only when it helps warp their idea of reality!

And I’m really impressed by your and others ability to tell us what is really going on in the White House as to decisions and what discussions actually took place. Where did you hide your bugs? Oh, you weren’t there or involved? Shocking!!!

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
7:18 am

I thought that [H]e was a god to you.
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That’s because your reading comprehension is weak.

massachusetts refugee

June 21st, 2012
7:19 am

i voted for the president and his promise of openness and transparency. the only thing that’s transparent is his inability to tell the truth about anything; and his inability to do the job. this democratic celticsbruinspatriotsredsox fan will be voting for romney. lord help me.

Ayn Rant

June 21st, 2012
7:21 am

Presidents mostly do what they have to do, and sometimes what they like to do.

Obama continued Bush/Cheney deficit spending to keep the economy from falling into a full-scale depression. His attempt to jump-start the economy by applying massive stimulus was obstructed by Congress. He extended the Bush tax cuts for the middle class, as a necessary economic stimulus, but was forced by Congress to agree to extend the tax cuts for the rich, which serve only to create more unneeded, hoarded capital instead of job-creating projects.

Obama wound down the useless occupation of Iraq and is winding down the futile attempt to civilize the Afghans. He has started no new wars on false pretenses. He managed to bring down Gaddafi in Libya without any loss of American life.

Unlike Bush/Cheney, Obama has addressed the critical social issues of medical coverage, immigration, and discrimination against women and gays.

Under Obama, the economy is proceeding slowly toward recovery despite the efforts of Republican politicians to degrade the financial trustworthiness and the currency of the US, and to destroy jobs on a massive scale by cutting federal spending prematurely.

Bush created problems; Obama tackles problems.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
7:24 am

Those partisan Republicans!
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John Boehner: Part of the role of the attorney general is to say to the executive branch, “Here are the limits of your power. Here are the things that you can’t do.” I don’t think Eric Holder ever told the president that there was something he could not do. What you get a sense of is an attorney general who saw himself as enabler of the administration as opposed to somebody who was actually trying to look out for the American people’s interests. For that reason, I think it’s time for him to step down.”
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Except it wasn’t Boehner, it was Senator Obozo speaking about Alberto Gonzales.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 21st, 2012
7:30 am

Under Obama, the economy is proceeding slowly toward recovery

Name one thing that he did to improve the economy that doesn’t involve bailouts or handouts for green energy…

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
7:31 am

Bush created problems; Obama tackles problems.
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Except that Obozo made unemploment worse. And spending is worse. And deficits are worse. And poverty is worse. Just to name a few examples.

Obozo: Inferior to Our President Bush.

Ellen

June 21st, 2012
7:36 am

This article is 1000% correct and SHOULD be an eye opener for those who support the current lunatic that’s occupying the White House. I’m personally shocked at how many gullible individuals are out there who actually trust and give any credit to Obama. He is always stating how he was ‘handed’ the job of presidency and that it was so messed up when he got it that it will take forever to correct. Well, for one, he volunteered for this job. Yes, he was (unfortunately) voted in to it, but he wanted it. Now he has no clue what to do with it. And after yesterday? He’s protecting Holder in what amounts to be the government covering up the murder of an American Border Patrol Agent? And he won’t even take time to explain any of this to the family of Brian Terry? All of you libs can say ” Bush called the executive privilege card too “, but it was never to hide a murder! How can anyone trust Obama anymore ?

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
7:39 am

They don’t have to trust Obozo. They just have to keep getting checks from Obozo.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 21st, 2012
7:42 am

Ellen, most of the people who support him are social activists, people who need the government to validate some form of abnormal behavior or financial shortcomings. They need government. Self sufficient people do not. That’s why they turn a blind eye to this weasel’s abysmal record

AU Liberal in ATL

June 21st, 2012
7:53 am

Wing-NUT! Every president in our history has used “executive priviledge” at some point. Using that issue to compare the President to Dubya is beyond stupid.

carlosgvv

June 21st, 2012
7:55 am

Kyle, you’re asking the wrong question. You should be asking – Will Romney be any different from Bush and Obama on these issues?

AU Liberal in ATL

June 21st, 2012
7:56 am

Hey Barry Batsht, do you really think your use of the word “Obozo” makes you look clever? Keep thinking that.

Peadawg

June 21st, 2012
8:00 am

“Wing-NUT! Every president in our history has used “executive priviledge” at some point. Using that issue to compare the President to Dubya is beyond stupid.”

Woooosh

And that’s the point going right over your head. He’s not comparing Obama TO Bush. He’s saying Obama’s a hypocrite for slamming Bush when he used executive privilege in 2007, but now using it himself. But I don’t expect you to understand that.

Curious

June 21st, 2012
8:01 am

AU Liberal in ATL

June 21st, 2012
7:56 am
Hey Barry Batsht, do you really think your use of the word “Obozo” makes you look clever? Keep thinking that.

AGREE.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 21st, 2012
8:05 am

Barry, you could try O’blamer, O’buffoon, or Curious George went to Washington to appease AU…

O.L.Y.

June 21st, 2012
8:05 am

Dumbest and most uninformed President in our history, surounded by the biggest bufoons imaginable. God help this country!

Stevie Ray...Clowns to my Left and Jokers to my Right here I am....

June 21st, 2012
8:08 am

President Trillion and Bush are simply cogs in the same corrupt government wheels. Why do you suppose President Spineless let Telecoms and Financial Institutions off the hook after promising that “the days of lobbyists controlling the agenda in Washington are over..”? Because none of the Clowns or Jokers actually represent the individual taxpayers except in their BS commericals for re-election..Whether defense contractors, labor unions, or financial institutions, all elected officials cave to the cash…..don’t expect anything to change until the private money is taken out of politics.

Cosby

June 21st, 2012
8:08 am

Obama was elected to correct the bad policies of Bush..or so the story goes…yet he doubles down and even goes further than bush did under the same stupid programs while adding many of his own tha Bush would not do. Blame bush all you want to, but, again, was Obama aka Barry Soetoro, aka the annoited one, elected by the drooling citizens to stop the Bush era programs, CHANGE things and yet he keeps doubleing down and additing to. Now Barry has no one to blame but his agrant self!! For the record, When Bush found out about the gun deals while he was in office, he stopped it, Obama and Holder re-started it..blame bush on that one

TBone

June 21st, 2012
8:09 am

It has to be that deep rooted, seething hatred that the enlightened liberal base has for President Bush; otherwise known as Bush Derangement Syndrome. As a dreaded conservative believer and the root of all evil, I had my problems with Bush 43 but some of y’all just can’t seem to let it go.

Ellen

June 21st, 2012
8:10 am

Apparently you didn’t (couldn’t) read what I said either….Yes, Bush used his executive privilege, but not to HIDE A MURDER that the government is responsible for !! That’s exactly what Obama is doing !! HIS administration is personally responsible for the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, but they want it swept under the rug ! Pay attention to the news !!! This man, you call our president, is skirting around the LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY , every chance he gets ! he’s exerted his executive ‘powers’ twice in the past 2 weeks already ! something (as the article states above) Obama said himself, is only hiding something ! He talks out of both sides of that big mouth of his! Just like the gay marriage thing…..For the past 10 years, he said that was something that he’d never agree with….but, all of a sudden, he changed his mind….He plays his audience and they (the libs) fall right into his hands! How does it feel to be played like a fool ???

Stevie Ray...Clowns to my Left and Jokers to my Right here I am....

June 21st, 2012
8:12 am

To all the Leftist Clowns…where is all your Hope and Change now? If Romney wins, you will all do anything to get him out of office and simply trade the same jabs and arguments the Jokers to the Right use currently….wow, that’s kinda like Obama following so closely in Bush’s footsteps….anyone disagree?

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
8:14 am

AU Liberal in ATL: do you really think your use of the word “Obozo” makes you look clever? Keep thinking that.
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Judging by the number of libtards who complain about it, yes, I do.

Ellen

June 21st, 2012
8:17 am

OLY said: Dumbest and most uninformed President in our history, surounded by the biggest bufoons imaginable. God help this country!

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I couldn’t agree with you more ! And God help us (even more so) that we have atleast 4 more months of this fool ! That’s a lot of time to destroy whats left ! Wonder which ‘group’ he’s going to reach out to next ? he’s already hit the African Americans up (with Trayvon Martin), got the Hispanics going (with giving them amnesty) and of course, the gays (with the same sex marriage)….IF he had any sense, he’d do something for the white people ! but I guess that would mean getting us some jobs or something? Apparently he doesn’t know how to do that !!

massachusetts refugee

June 21st, 2012
8:20 am

and stevie ray…nails it!

ellen – calm yourself dear, you’ll blow an artery. yes, weapons from fast and furious were found at the agent terry crime scene, but there is no evidence any of them were used to kill agent terry, and STATE senator obama was all for gay marriage; it was only when he ran for US senate did he “see the light” about this horrific scourge on humanity (snark). so he’s actually flipped twice now on the matter. which, in a roundabout way, makes your point – like ALL politicians, he panders.

iggy

June 21st, 2012
8:29 am

Mr Obama, where is the transparency? You stated you wanted to “make govt cool again”. Mr Obama, you roasted GW for excercising priviledge yet you do the same.

I ask you Mr Obama…wheres the beef?

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
8:30 am

It’s kind of sick that libtards are so relieved that the bullet that killed Brian Tracy was too badly damaged to be traced to one of the several Fast & Furious guns found at the scene.

iggy

June 21st, 2012
8:31 am

And one more thing Mr Obama. Where is my free television set.

massachusetts refugee

June 21st, 2012
8:33 am

it’s folks like LBB that would make me reconsider my voting for governor romney. just sayin’…

Gramps

June 21st, 2012
8:34 am

Hey, AU Liberal in ATL at 7:56 “Hey Barry Batsht, do you really think your use of the word “Obozo” makes you look clever? Keep thinking that.”

Neither do I, but do you think you think you look any more clever with “Wing-NUT!” at 7:53? or “Barry Batsht” at 7:56? Don’t call people names when you don’t want them calling you or your president names!!

That’s part of the problem. You think it is ok for you to say anything you want, but then take offense at other people’s opinions.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
8:35 am

It is arrogance. He thinks the ideas might work, they were just attempted by Bush, whom he feels was incompetent. One of them is incompetent, that is for sure.

Everywhere he has ever been, people for some reason have told him he was smart. As Hairy the Reed said, he is African American and clean, neat, and well spoken, so some believe that to equate to smart. As someone said yesterday, Oblamer feels he is the smartest guy in every room he enters. So, he assumes he can take Bush ideas and implement them successfully, because he is so smart and efficient.

Curious

June 21st, 2012
8:36 am

gosh. Brian Tracy murdered by someone using a weapon from the Fast and Furious program.

LBB: I’m sorry I doubted your wisdom.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
8:39 am

massachusetts refugee, if you live in Georgia, feel free to vote for Obozo. Our electoral votes will be going to Romney.

Smoke

June 21st, 2012
8:39 am

Obozo had enough sense not to out a CIA brass plate organization, or have secret meetings with energy executuves, or cover up a friendly fire shooting, or fire federal prosecuters, or hide spending, or give money to worthless military contractors, or cut VA funding.

UIC

June 21st, 2012
8:45 am

“Maybe he found Bush’s profligacy irresponsible and unpatriotic because it took him eight years to accomplish, whereas Obama has pulled it off in just three” – good comparison, Kyle. I think they both inherited similar situations.
…for your next column, write this. FDR’s administration spent $414B over his 12 years as President. President Obama spends that amount in two months. Gosh, President Obama’s administration spends too much money. Context not needed.

“Of course, Obama blamed Bush’s large deficits in part on “tax cuts for the rich.” Then he extended those same tax cuts in 2010 as the economy was recovering from a recession, which was also the situation when Bush signed the cuts in 2001.” – again, excellent comparison, the situations they inherited were exactly the same. I remember President Obama really pushing to extend those tax cuts, because he realizes the value of trickle down economics.

“In fact, Google returns more than 5.6 million results for “Obama blames Bush.” I didn’t have time to check whether the president followed his predecessor’s lead in each instance.” – don’t bother…since you didn’t add context to the previous statements, there is no reason to believe you do it if you listed other instances.

GT

June 21st, 2012
8:49 am

If Obama is responsible for this economy I think it only right Bush should take his responsibility for 9/11 which was on his watch. Very similar logic, only I find it more digestible for Bush which ran a very rag tag operation and invited intrusion. The security was outsourced at the airports not working for our government, save money lose lives a Republican theme. Not too different from the enemy seeing weakness in Jimmy Carter, only a different weakness of too hands on in Carter’s case.

This weakness of Bush was taken advantage of by even his cabinet members,Rumsfeld. Wall Street and fellow members of his own party. Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, Jeff Skilling and Bernard Madoff all had a field day under that administration, until it became so obvious that all these crooks had gotten into the inter-circle, maybe Madoff being the exception to that relationship, but certainly enjoy the loose regulations.

If you can con billions for you own personal purposes and be practically one man would not it be logical that an organization could laundry even more, since the accountants in the US government were obviously asleep, or just didn’t care since so much stolen was going back to the GOP as contributions. You kind of wonder now in this superpac if this foreign money that the GOP is collecting for casinos owned by foreign investors is not this kind of carelessness all over again.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
8:51 am

This is the result you get when you elect the least vetted, least qualified candidate to ever inhabit the Oval Office.

The grieving parents of an American agent want answers to their son’s death. Their government, who created the program that may have provided the murder weapon to his killer, should be bending over backwards to get this family answers instead of stonewalling.

If Obama and Holder were men of principle, they’d do everything possible to provide this family with closure, irregardless of the political consequences those answers might bring.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
8:53 am

Kyle, great article!

For the libs, if Bush was wrong on all these issues, you have two choices.

Either Barry is wrong for following Bush’s lead, and you should quit defending him. Or, Bush was right to begin with, and you were wrong to criticize him and need to apologize.

Take your pick!

Grasshopper

June 21st, 2012
8:55 am

“yes, weapons from fast and furious were found at the agent terry crime scene, but there is no evidence any of them were used to kill agent terry,”

The weapons were placed at the scene as decorative accessories.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

June 21st, 2012
8:59 am

“Why does Obama keep doing the things he blames Bush for?”
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Because he has been bought by the same people who bought the Bush Crime Family Syndicate, the Clintons , and John Kerry jr Romney.
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It really is that simple.
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They can’t buy Ron Paul though……hence the shrill rhetoric about him.
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You dummies get the government that you deserve.

brad

June 21st, 2012
9:05 am

Googled “Republicans blame Obama”, and got “About 94,200,000 results”. You’re pathetic, Kyle.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:05 am

“They can’t buy Ron Paul though”

That’s because no one really wants him, Thomas Heyward Jr.

There has to be a certain value to a product to make it marketable, and Ron Paul’s value in the political market is very, very small.

Class of '98

June 21st, 2012
9:05 am

“Really?” is the same person as “Becky”, and both are morons.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:08 am

brad, the “They do it too!” defense only works in kindergarten.

What you’re saying with your comment is that Obama didn’t really turn out to be the different kind of President you hoped he would be. Thanks for finally seeing the light.

iggy

June 21st, 2012
9:09 am

Unemployment numbers are……..drum roll please…….UP again!!

Obamas failed policies continue to fail.

THE MAJOR DAWG

June 21st, 2012
9:11 am

He does it because he is not a leader, he had no experience in leading.

Just watch Obama will run the dirtiest nastiest campaign ever seen, since it is obvious he has no real plan for his agenda,

Ask Clinton, he even disagrees with him on taxes.

brad

June 21st, 2012
9:12 am

No, Tiberious, I’m saying that whipping out google search numbers to prove your point is not valid. Sorry if the nuance is too much for you.

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
9:12 am

To all of you who blame President Obama for the death of the federal agent, aren’t you the ones who always say its not the gun it the person using the gun? If President Obama is guilty then I submit so is the gun manufacture.

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
9:14 am

“Just watch Obama will run the dirtiest nastiest campaign ever seen, since it is obvious he has no real plan for his agenda,” What did Romney do to his republican opponents?

brad

June 21st, 2012
9:16 am

Googled “tiberious is a prick”, and got “About 6,260,000 results”.

GT

June 21st, 2012
9:17 am

This country has had two wars that were unpaid for. Corruption at the highest order in Wall Street and federal government, huge tax cuts to the wealthiest American who actually enjoy the spoils of war more than the general population. Now the Republicans want to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, the elderly, the sick, the children. You really like being that kind of people?

This congressional hearing is a distraction from the real issues. We should have legalize drugs instead of another unpaid for war against them. Let get back to 30 million uninsured Americans, Wall Street’s takeover of this country and the danger that presents our sovereignty. Money tainting the justice system and govenment and where there is weak government there is corruption.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
9:17 am

Romney leans on govs to be more dower: Bloomberg’s Michael Bender reports: “Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign asked Florida Governor Rick Scott to tone down his statements heralding improvements in the state’s economy because they clash with the presumptive Republican nominee’s message that the nation is suffering under President Barack Obama, according to two people familiar with the matter.
salon.com

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:19 am

tiredofIT, no one is blaming Obama for the death of Brian Terry, at least not anyone on this blog. Nice of you to attempt to create that false impression, however.

We are saying that the program developed and executed by his Justice Dept., under the direction and knowledge of his Attorney General, provided a stunningly stupid method of going after Mexican drug lords that might have provided the method of that American’s death.

And if you were Brian Terry’s parents (or even remotely intellectually honest with yourself), you’d want answers, too.

the red herring

June 21st, 2012
9:20 am

kyle–you are right—obama took the worst from bush and made it much worse. both presidents had to deal with their own recessions and neither in my opinion handled it really well but bush handled his ok until he let spending get out of control. Now Obama has made spending much much worse. We can’t keep borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend. If you think we can then you are part of the problem not the solution. Also you are probably eating out of the government trough, drinking that free bubble up and eating that rainbow stew. It is indeed time for a change in washington d.c. then maybe we will have some hope. If we stay this course we will have none.

Adevarul

June 21st, 2012
9:22 am

Holder says contempt citation unwarranted…The only thing warranted is a warrant for the arrest of this arrogant, lying S of S. He and WH and DoJ are in this up to their necks and Americans will never know a fraction of the truth or their motivations as long as those involved at the top can lie and use executive privilege to do what they want with impunity. The many dead Mexicans unfortunately can’t point their fingers at Holder but a dead border patrol officer’s family needs to sue the WH, Holder and the DoJ for wrongful death. Truth.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:22 am

I see that someone wee-wee’d in brad’s Wheaties this morning.

How about trying something new and different, brad? Try debunking Kyle’s arguments with reason and intelligence.

clyde

June 21st, 2012
9:22 am

The reason that Obama keeps doing the things he blamed Bush for is so he can continue to blame Bush.Obama’s side of the press never reports what he’s actually doing.

“Never use a preposition to end a sentence with”.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:24 am

“according to two people familiar with the matter.”

It only takes two people at salon.com whispering to each other to start a rumor.

ellen

June 21st, 2012
9:25 am

TIREDOFIT said :”To all of you who blame President Obama for the death of the federal agent, aren’t you the ones who always say its not the gun it the person using the gun? If President Obama is guilty then I submit so is the gun manufacture.”
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again, another LIB who doesn’t (or can’t) read the news…..the person using the gun to kill Agent Terry was GIVEN the gun by OUR GOVERNMENT ! our govt purposely handed over these weapons to the drug cartel with ‘high hopes’ that they’d catch these guys. Little did they know that the mexican cartel obviously isn’t as STUPID as our present govt is ,in that they took these weapons (that were handed to them on a silver platter by our govt) , escaped with them, then turned around and killed one of our OWN ! the govt KNEW this was happening, yet played stupid to it all. WHY do you think Holder is about to be held in contempt ??? And while Terry’s family is begging for answers as to why and how their son was murdered, the govt is refusing to answer, as far so as for MR OBAMA to put a seal on the information ! WHAT a COWARD !!!

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
9:26 am

While we are looking for answers I want to know why Wall Street hasn’t be broken up after collapsing the economy and stealing our citizens savings and retirement funds. Good job Bush for Sept 2008. I will take a little of the blame because I vote for him the first time he ran.

K Mom

June 21st, 2012
9:29 am

@ Tiberius, actually someone did say the President is responsible:

Ellen

June 21st, 2012
8:10 am
Apparently you didn’t (couldn’t) read what I said either….Yes, Bush used his executive privilege, but not to HIDE A MURDER that the government is responsible for !! That’s exactly what Obama is doing !! HIS administration is personally responsible for the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, but they want it swept under the rug ! Pay attention to the news !!!

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
9:30 am

USA Today: Confidence in public schools at all-time low.
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Even public schools were better under Our President Bush.

K Mom

June 21st, 2012
9:34 am

Lil’ Barry, didn’t Romney say…

Romney said of Obama, “he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.”

I’m just sayin…

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
9:36 am

I sure hope he said that!

Smaller government means a more prosperous, more free American citizenry.

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2012
9:38 am

The irony of Bozo and his gang of thieves being called stupid and inept is really off the wall. Bozo is far from stupid. He told us that he wanted to essentially change this country. A lot of voters were just not listening. He has attempted, over the last 3 plus years to do just that. And he has been pretty successful. Give him four more years and he will certainly finish the job. I don’t blame Bozo for what he has done….. I think that it has been disastrous for this country and its citizens. We can right the wrongs of this clown by just voting him out of government housing. Who do I really blame for this decline in our country since Bozo took over? The Bozo voter. The insane liberal with the Bozo sticker on the bumper of his car is just as complicit in this whole mess as Bozo ever thought about being. You are just as responsible for the demise of what we hole dear as this inept social experiment that you call a President. And you are too stupid to even realize it.

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
9:38 am

LLB: USA Today: Confidence in public schools at all-time low.

It should have read confidence in parents to do their job is at an all time low.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
9:39 am

President Romney gets it. Americans know how to grow the economy better than government, and especially the economically retarded Obozo.

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
9:42 am

President Romney will make us the next Ireland. Remember when the republicans where praising the Irish and their low corporate taxes. Look again, not such a pretty picture.

Darwin

June 21st, 2012
9:43 am

So the last time we had a Democratic party president, he was impeached by a Republican led Congress. This time, it’s contempt charges against the AG. It appears to me that everytime the Republicans gain control of Congress, they start bullying and trying to extend their power. Why are Republicans like this?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:43 am

K Mom, at some point you may wish to understand the difference between “an administration” and “personally” responsible.

To enlighten you, Holder is a member of the Obama administration. He heads up the Dept. of Justice. His department provided the policy and the weapons in Fast & Furious.

Do you understand that now?

ellen

June 21st, 2012
9:46 am

yes, K-Mom, Obama and his administration IS responsible for the death of Agent Terry. You don’t think so ? The fact that Obama and his wagon full of idiots knew the cartel had escaped with these weapons and were warned that US agents would be targets using these weapons, yet ignored it , doesn’t make them responsible ? Why is Obama wanting this information sealed ? Why won’t he speak with the family of Agent Terry ? Why won’t he give Americans answers to what went wrong with this ‘fast and furious’ plan they came up with ? I believe once these papers are uncovered, we’ll find that not only Holder was well aware of what was going on, but Obama’s name will be smeared all over it too ! Obama didn’t waste any time contacting the Trayvon Martin family when their son was killed in an altercation with a white hispanic, yet, an American US Border Patrol Agent is murdered by the Mexican Cartel over a year ago, and Obama won’t speak to the family of this hero? As I said before, he’s nothing but a coward !

finn mccool

June 21st, 2012
9:47 am

And why would romney be better? What proof do we have?

All I’ve seen is vietnam deferments and flip-flops on every issue.

All that doesn’t add up to a winner.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:48 am

Darwin, try to take the politics out of this situation and put yourself in the shoes of Brian Terry’s family.

You know that there is a lot more information out there that Holder isn’t making available. That is fact. Congress wants that information on behalf of your family and your dead son.

Why doesn’t Holder provide those documents?

1. It would make his department look bad.
2. It would make him look bad.
3. It would make his boss look bad.

There are NO other reasons why this stonewalling is occurring.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
9:50 am

It appears to me that everytime the Democrats gain control of the Executive branch, criminal behavior results.
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Fixed.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:51 am

“And why would romney be better?”

Because he has said that he’d do exactly the opposite of what Obama has done; i.e. be successful in fixing the economy.

“What proof do we have?”

Oh, now we want proof before electing someone, Finn? Whatever happened to “hope”? ;)

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
9:52 am

Why is President Romney superior to his predecessor? Well, he’s a real American for starters.

iggy

June 21st, 2012
9:53 am

Too funny. The libtards only argument is “but but but”.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
9:54 am

“All I’ve seen is vietnam deferments”

Nice attempt to throw mud on the candidate who actually ENTERED the draft, Finn.

History shows that Romney, after his deferments, entered the draft while the Vietnam War was still on, yet wasn’t high enough on the list to be drafted.

Epic fail on your part again.

md

June 21st, 2012
9:55 am

“Kyle, you’re asking the wrong question. You should be asking – Will Romney be any different from Bush and Obama on these issues?”

Well……there’s one sure way to find out…………

Active on Bookman's blog because I don't go into immature name calling rants like a child

June 21st, 2012
9:56 am

“Well, he’s a real American for starters.”

So Barry is now the arbitrator on who is a real American?

Keep the laughs coming. If nothing else you are funny

markie mark

June 21st, 2012
9:57 am

Man, maybe some of you guys on the left missed this point, so let me spell it out for you. Holder has said, under oath, over and over, that he was NOT aware of Fast & Furious. (he has had to retract that statement, but still swears he didnt know the depth of the operation). Holder has sworn the White House (OBAMA, kids) knew NOTHING about the operation. Period.

Executive Privilege is ONLY invoked to shield White House and upper Cabinet staff’s communication….you still want to convince us that Obama and Holder were not involved in this operation? BS

And for the claims that this was started by ATF under Bush? It was….and as soon as the Bush administration found out about it, THEY SHUT IT DOWN.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:00 am

So we should quit holding Bush accountable? We should stop pointing out that the reason we are in the situation we are in has a lot to do with his policies? And we shouldn’t point out that electing another Republican to the White House will resurrect all those bad policies?

It sounds like the Cons want the liberals to stop mentioning Bush because, as they see it, our current situation began on January 21st, 2009.

md

June 21st, 2012
10:05 am

“If Obama is responsible for this economy I think it only right Bush should take his responsibility for 9/11 which was on his watch. Very similar logic, only I find it more digestible for Bush which ran a very rag tag operation and invited intrusion. The security was outsourced at the airports not working for our government, save money lose lives a Republican theme.”

Hope one knows that the hijackers actually first came in for their intel and training under the Clinton Administration and that numerous weapons have been smuggled through our airports even with the impenetrable Federales on the job……………..

md

June 21st, 2012
10:07 am

“huge tax cuts to the wealthiest American who actually enjoy the spoils of war more than the general population”

I certainly hope the “GT” isn’t in reference to the Institution of higher learning where they teach one to look at the entire equation…….which in this case would include the fact that EVERYBODY got those tax cuts.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:08 am

If Obama is responsible for this economy I think it only right Bush should take his responsibility for 9/11 which was on his watch.

No, UIC, both occurred on W’s watch.

markie mark

June 21st, 2012
10:09 am

and while we are on the subject….if you children on the left have been reading the small print, you would know HOW the Mexican Cartels got the guns. Justice had a good idea of who the “straw buyers” were….and manipulated the background checks so they would pass.

So when this little operation started going south, some in the Justice Department (most believe its Holder. but only the documents shielded now by Exec Prv will show it) decided they wanted to use the gun sales as proof that our gun laws were too lax….Imagine, first they manipulate background checks to make the sales possible, then some genius floats the idea that this is why we need more gun laws.

K Mom

June 21st, 2012
10:12 am

Tiberius and Ellen,

This may seem a bit simplistic to you all, but I don’t know who is responsible for the death of Mr. Terry! I wasn’t there! What I do know is that throughout history, things have been done by this country on many fronts that we know nothing about and they have been done in the name of national security. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don’t. I believe the people that sign up for such missions know the risk and accept them for benefit of the many. I also know that as long as this country exist, it will continue whether its with Obama, Romney or whoever takes the seat at 1600. I wish people on both sides will quit acting “brand new” when something like this happens!

I have always wanted to ask the question; if a president has a 40+ approval rating and congress, for the most part has a <20, why do we immediately want to replace the president and yet vote in the same folks for congress? By the way, I bet if you ask 10 of those senators yesterday the name of the field agent, maybe three of them could tell you!

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:12 am

“So we should quit holding Bush accountable?”

No, but we should stop wrongly blaming his policies as being the root cause of the latest recession, and actually start blaming the REAL polices that did. You can blame him for overspending and getting us into two wars. You can blame him for trying to work with Democrats across the aisle on a bad prescription drug program. But you can’t blame him for the artificial housing bubble and underlying weakness in the financial markets which were begun 30 years previously.

“We should stop pointing out that the reason we are in the situation we are in has a lot to do with his policies?”

Yes, you should stop, as outlined above, since you don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about.

“And we shouldn’t point out that electing another Republican to the White House will resurrect all those bad policies?”

No, you shouldn’t point that out, because it isn’t true. Despite protestations to the contrary, Romney has actually acknowledged the spending issues of Democrat and Republican Congresses, and has promised to address them with real policies to slow down our path to fiscal Armageddon. Unlike the current pretender who has yet to cut spending by a single, solitary dollar in 3 1/2 years.

markie mark

June 21st, 2012
10:12 am

ok Finn, you can’t have it both ways….9/11 happened about 7 months into Bush’s watch….we are now 3.5 years into Obama’s watch. You want Bush responsible for what, intelligence 2 years before he was elected (remember, Clinton was offered Bin Laden on a platter and he turned it down), and now almost 4 years after he is gone? he MUST be a god with that kind of effect…..

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:14 am

“This may seem a bit simplistic to you all, but I don’t know who is responsible for the death of Mr. Terry!”

Good for you in admitting your ignorance, K Mom.

Now, let’s see if you can identify the person(s) capable of providing those answers to the Terry family.

It’s really not that complicated!

md

June 21st, 2012
10:16 am

“While we are looking for answers I want to know why Wall Street hasn’t be broken up after collapsing the economy and stealing our citizens savings and retirement funds. Good job Bush for Sept 2008.”

I still find it amazing that some folks don’t realize that had people actually paid for what they borrowed the collapse would never had happened. And I still have yet to see evidence of even a solitary individual that was forced into a contract on a home…………and one may also remember that Bush tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie but that certainly fell on deaf ears…….

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:17 am

md, I keep hoping that GT is only that person’s initials, and not where they went to college.

Otherwise, that institution’s stellar educational reputation is severely tarnished.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
10:17 am

Finn,
the White House will resurrect all those bad policies?

Finn, did you read the column Kyle wrote? Oblamer has latched onto those same policies and is less capable of bringing them to fruition that W. Either Bush was wrong and therefore Oblamer is wrong or Bush was right and you need to apologize. Take your pick.

MarkV

June 21st, 2012
10:20 am

Kyle: “Once upon a time — call it July 3, 2008 — Obama said it was “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic” for a president to add “$4 trillion [in debt] all by his lonesome.”
Maybe he found Bush’s profligacy irresponsible and unpatriotic because it took him eight years to
accomplish, whereas Obama has pulled it off in just three.”

Ignoring how much the increase in national debt was due to Bush’s policies (5 trillion) and Obama’s policies (1 trillion).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html

K Mom

June 21st, 2012
10:21 am

Tiberius,

Its not a matter of being ignorant, the way you obviously meant it! I would like for the family of Mr. Terry to have the answers they need. However, I would also like for congress to work this hard on ANYTHING that would benefit the rest of the country. Again, right now, their approval rating is 17% (according to FOX News)

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
10:21 am

the red herring

Free Bubble Up and rainbow stew, I love it! You know you are disparaging the retirement plans of 75 million Democrat voters. Well, to be fair, I think they are counting on adding in some lottery winnings as well.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:21 am

So, during the Vietnam war, Romney was PRO-draft and PRO-War but didn’t step to the head of the line? He actually evaded service with deferments?

Typical Republican.

Who Cares?

June 21st, 2012
10:23 am

GREAT article Kyle!! I have to admit that I am a little shocked that the AJC allowed this to be printed/posted on their site though. There are enough bed wetting & booger eating liberals who follow and worship the usual liberal agenda of the left here, that you’ll probably get flamed and requests will be sent to the editor requesting your release. Blah, blah, blah,…..Obama is still blaming everyone but himself and his administration for where we are today. Just like the spineless and ignorant twit that was an embarrassment to Georgia in the 1970s, Obama will be remembered in the same light as Jimmy Carter. ‘Cest la vie to both!

md

June 21st, 2012
10:24 am

“I have always wanted to ask the question; if a president has a 40+ approval rating and congress, for the most part has a <20, why do we immediately want to replace the president and yet vote in the same folks for congress?"

Well, in the case of the President, evidently 60% think something else and in the case of Congress, it is always the other guys representative that sucks…………..

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:25 am

I agree, blaming 9/11 on Bush is wrong cause the seeds were sown much earlier. Blaming the financial collapse on W is wrong because the seeds were sown much earlier.

But you said “occurred on his watch”. Wrong, they both occurred on W’s watch.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:25 am

“Ignoring how much the increase in national debt was due to Bush’s policies (5 trillion) and Obama’s policies (1 trillion).”

I’m calling BS on MaryV’s remark.

Obama could have changed Bush’s policies at any time during his term, but didn’t. That’s called being a President and a leader, not a blamer and a whiner. Hell, Obama has had no problems simply ignoring current law. Why didn’t he just ignore the bad Bush policies he inherited?

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
10:25 am

K Mom

However, I would also like for congress to work this hard on ANYTHING that would benefit the rest of the country.

Please pass on your sentiments to Hairy the Reed. There are over 30 House passed bills, i.e., a budget, jobs bills, and others that would improve the economy. Nothing is being done in the Senate on those bills. They are busy voting down amendments that would remove food stamps from people with a million dollars in the bank and paid for homes.

The House might as well shut down as the Senate refuses to take up any House bills.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:26 am

Finn, as usual you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be, but not your facts.

iggy

June 21st, 2012
10:29 am

The Finn and Mark Mantra… “But, But, But”.

DawgDad

June 21st, 2012
10:33 am

“I have always wanted to ask the question; if a president has a 40+ approval rating and congress, for the most part has a <20, why do we immediately want to replace the president and yet vote in the same folks for congress?"

This is easy. "We" (collectively) vote for the President (with a capital "P"). "We" do NOT collectively vote for members of Congress (with a capital "C"); I vote in my District, and you vote in yours. Suffice it to say Nancy Pelosi would have zero chance (or less?) of getting elected in my District, and my Representatives wouldn't stand a chance in Pelosi's District. Thus, the collective members of our two Districts might well disapprove of Congress in general, driving its ratings into the tank, yet we would not be likely to agree on the solution.

You shouldn't have waited so long to ask; most teachers would have answered your question back in Eighth Grade Civics class.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:38 am

Many of us on the Left are very disappointed in Obama so far. But we aren’t just going to jump ship because he hasn’t fulfilled all our wishes.

You need to sell us on why Romney would do a better job. What in his past shows us that he would be a capable leader – not of a private equity investment firm, but of a massive public entity made up of a full variety of people – not just the rich?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:38 am

iggy, Finn and MaryV forgot they voted for the other half of the equation – “Change”.

Not only has Obama not changed a thing regarding what many on the left considered the cause of this recession (leading many of us to finally believe he knows it wasn’t Bush policies that caused it – even if he won’t publicly admit it), he hasn’t even tried to change them.

Their Hope is gone, and their Change never appeared. All they have left is, “But, but, but . . . “

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:40 am

amendments that would remove food stamps from people with a million dollars in the bank and paid for homes.

for real?

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
10:40 am

This frugal Oblamer con has been discredited by so many people, but MarkV, still likes Nuttings “creative accounting”. Here is one from the Chicago Tribune, hardly anti-Oblamer. You can find a good one in Forbes Magazine.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-14/news/ct-oped-0614-chapman-20120614_1_jay-carney-budget-surplus-barack-obama

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

June 21st, 2012
10:42 am

If Obama wont change things then I guess we can count on Cheesy Grits to radically change things…

LOL

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:43 am

And you folks are going to have to sell Mittens pretty strongly if we are going to chance losing another seat in the Supreme Court to a backwards-thinking conservative.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
10:43 am

Finn, for real, look it up, voted down yesterday or Tuesday. Part of the Farm Bill, aka, free stuff for all bill.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

June 21st, 2012
10:43 am

At least Obama hasn’t tripled the debt like Reagan.

That was really something special.

But of course since he was a Republican those dont matter.

MUSTANG100

June 21st, 2012
10:44 am

Let’s see here, uh, Hussein, or Mitt? Blue or Red? Doesn’t matter, both extend the soiled ends of twin sticks to Americans.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:46 am

“What in his past shows us that he would be a capable leader – not of a private equity investment firm, but of a massive public entity made up of a full variety of people – not just the rich?”

Oh, so now your baseline is that Romney would have to have been a successful President in order for you to vote for him to be President, Finn? You’re a screwball, son.

What was Obama successful at for you to give him your vote? Was he a successful business man? No, but Romney was (and still is). Was he a successful Governor of a state filled with Democrats? No, but Romney was. Did Obama reach across the aisle to work with Republicans either as a Senator or a President? No, but Romney has worked successfully with Democrats in Massachusetts to provide polices and solutions that worked for them.

Why does Romney have a such a high standard for you to give him your vote, but Obama did not? Why does Romney’s history of success pale in comparison to Obama’s history of failures?

md

June 21st, 2012
10:46 am

“What in his past shows us that he would be a capable leader – not of a private equity investment firm, but of a massive public entity made up of a full variety of people – not just the rich?”

Personally, I’ll settle for the fact that Romney understands that the private sector is the engine that drives the economy……not the public sector. He understands that one generates the income for both. Obama has no clue as to how that works.

If one needs a real life example, look at China…….even the commies finally realized that they had to turn to quasi-private industry to pull them out of decades of no growth policies…..the ultimate gov’t machine could not generate the necessary capital without turning to capitalism.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:46 am

Rafe, I want to know how many examples – proven – we have of people with millions in the bank using food stamps.

Or is this like the Con voter fraud bugaboo? It’s rampant!…..but only a handful of cases across the country have been discovered.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:47 am

No, Fib, show us examples from his governor days.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
10:49 am

Sell us on Romney, ok. You are driving a 4 year old car, probably a Gov Motors, that breaks down every time you try to go somewhere. You rich aunt gets tired of you complaining about the unreliability of your ride. She says I will pay for a new car for you, if that will shut you up. Your response is………,

Nah, don’t think so, it would probably break down just as much, maybe more.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

June 21st, 2012
10:49 am

Why isn’t Congress focused on jobs instead of expensive, pointless witch hunts that cost tax payers millions?

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

June 21st, 2012
10:50 am

whoo I can hear that whistlin past that Republican graveyard all the way
down here at the lighthouse.

No sale. You wish. NOBODY on planet Earth will EVAH forget
Little Nero w/a Cowboy Hat. Never. Evah.

md

June 21st, 2012
10:51 am

“At least Obama hasn’t tripled the debt like Reagan.”

Must be a youngin that didn’t understand the threat……if we were still in the cold war and Obama was spending to counter the soviets, I’d hazard a guess he wouldn’t get much flack either………..

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

June 21st, 2012
10:52 am

Nah, don’t think so, it would probably break down just as much, maybe more.

Exactly. If you think Obama is bad imaging going back to a Republican president.

Remember what that was like ?

Skyrocketing unemployment, Wars without end, Terrorist attacks on NYC, Economy so bad Bush said ” this sucker could go down ”

No thanks. At least the car we have now works sometimes.

Active on Bookman's blog because I don't go into immature name calling rants like a child

June 21st, 2012
10:52 am

Will Romney be the RINO that served in Mass or the one who have veered to the right to gain the social conservative vote?

Ex: When did his stance on abortion change?

Hint: about the time his campaign really ramped up for his current run at the WH.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
10:53 am

Finn, I don’t keep records, I’m retired, but there are people abusing food stamps. I know, I have personal experience with people who say they are. States are paid a bonus for how many they sign up, not a way to be frugal with the money.

What does it hurt to have some standards on who is eligible. Income is the only requirement now, and they do not do a good job of documenting what you say your income is. If you have a million dollars invested in a family business, but choose not to receive any income from the business, your lack of income qualifies you to receive food stamps and probably an Obamaphone. So, why not put net worth as a qualifier. The amendment was already written, no more work needed, just vote YES!

md

June 21st, 2012
10:53 am

“Why isn’t Congress focused on jobs instead of expensive, pointless witch hunts that cost tax payers millions?”

Because by removing the corruption the country has a good chance of creating jobs with a more competent administration??

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:54 am

“At least Obama hasn’t tripled the debt like Reagan.”

And yet, Reagan did not. But don’t worry, while Reagan did increase the debt a bit over 2 times during his term, it was during an entire 8 years. Hopefully, Obama won’t get that chance to equal Reagan’s numbers. In addition, Reagan actually had success in turning around a bad economy and ending the threat of the Soviet Union with that debt.

Obama can make no such claim of equal or proportional success with his spending.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

June 21st, 2012
10:54 am

Must be a youngin that didn’t understand the threat……if we were still in the cold war and Obama was spending to counter the soviets, I’d hazard a guess he wouldn’t get much flack either………..

good excuse. works for bush too just say 9/11

Of course Obama didn’t inherit two wars or an economy on the brink of a depression. In fact everything was just peaches when he took office.

ragnar danneskjold

June 21st, 2012
10:54 am

It’s called “leadership from behind.”

Who Cares?

June 21st, 2012
10:55 am

@ Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed), June 21st, 2012, 10:38 am, not to confuse you with facts, but at least Romney has held a job before. On top of that, he has actually managed and run successful and profitable businesses in the past. And what real experience has Obama had? Obviously, with the exception of being a politician or professor? As a buddy of mine once said, “Those who can, do, and those who can’t, teach”. If you put Obama on a street corner in Chicago as a hot dog vendor, he’d be broke and out of business in 4 weeks. Want to argue that? What does his record look like after 3 1/2 years of opportunity? To quote you, “Many of us on the Left are very disappointed in Obama so far.” If ya’ll are disappointed, how do you think the right feels?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
10:55 am

That’s right md, government works best when it isn’t expected to be both the economic engine and the framework in which the engine is expected to run. Government makes the engine possible. Without laws, property rights, courts, security (internal and external), transportation system, telephony system, etc., the engine collapses.

As can be seen over the years, our government can continue to operate during times when the engine is doing great and times when the engine is sucking. But the engine? How would the engine do if the government collapsed? Let’s say the power grid turns of for a week???

Think of a car- you have the engine and you have the body. If the engine stops running you still have a body. But if the body disintegrates and falls apart? We’ll that engine doesn’t really have a purpose does it?

I believe Obama understands that pretty well. Conservatives? Not so much.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

June 21st, 2012
10:56 am

And yet, Reagan did not

And yet… he did.

“Reagan’s tax policies contributed to an increase in both the international transactions current account deficit and federal budget deficit, as well as a significant increase in public debt. National debt more than tripled from 900 billion dollars to 2.8 trillion dollars during Reagan’s tenure.”

md

June 21st, 2012
10:57 am

“So, why not put net worth as a qualifier”

And have to sell some of MY hard earned stuff?……..Please…… :)

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
10:57 am

“Ex: When did his stance on abortion change? ”

About the same way Obama’s stance on gay marriage changed.

It evolved as well.

Your point, little one?

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

June 21st, 2012
10:58 am

Reagan actually had success in turning around a bad economy

There is a big disconnect between the real Reagan and the fantasy world one of Republican minds.

They aren’t even the same guy.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 21st, 2012
11:01 am

pointless witch hunts that cost tax payers millions?

Ok, Cheese Brain, why don’t they release the documents and we can all have a big ole roll on the floor laugh at Issa’s expense. You know Issa is up for reelection too, so maybe they could get him beat for wasting all these taxpayer dollars. But no, they are not going to do that because…………..

If you Dems would use the logic that God gave everyone, you could figure this scandal out.

md

June 21st, 2012
11:01 am

“good excuse. works for bush too just say 9/11″

Hmmm……missed the point……what exactly has all this spending accomplished? Unemployment is still stagnant, debt is still going up, and the economy as a whole is coming to a screeching halt. Think the money was used wisely?

I don’t…………

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June 21st, 2012
11:02 am

Tiberiuis

But but but

I didn’t say a word about Obama, BUT nice try

As for your claim about Reagan not increasing the debt but only by a little bit, as you say “you are entitled to your opinion, but not your facts”

“Your point, Little one?”

You think you run this blog with your faux alpha personality. It is pretty damn funny to say the least

And why did Bookman boot you? Oh you couldn’t conduct a conversation in an adult manner. You typical BS is shown here on a regular basis with those you disagree with, just paired down a bit so Wingfeild doesn’t do the same

You are who you are, “little one”

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
11:04 am

md: “I still find it amazing that some folks don’t realize that had people actually paid for what they borrowed the collapse would never had happened. ” You mean like AIG.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
11:05 am

You are driving a 4 year old car, probably a Gov Motors, that breaks down every time you try to go somewhere.

LOL, Rafe, so Romney will come in and wave the magic wand and the economy will be all fixed? That’s what your new car analogy implies.

Come on, you can’t expect us to all be that stupid.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:06 am

Let’s see, Finn.

Shall we go to his tax policies, which lowered the tax rates for individuals by changing the way programs were paid for through the use of fess (as in making the people who used the services pay for them), rather than soaking everyone even if they didn’t use the service.

How about health care, where he and the Democrat leadership crafted a bill that was a public / private insurer partnership, which, while not perfect, enjoys the support of about 80% of all Massachusetts residents, and works within the Constitutional framework of the state and nation.

Let’s not forget unemployment, which went from about 6.5% when he began to about 4.5% (that number which just about every economist claims is virtual full employment, btw).

Schools were, and remain, well above the national average in performance.

He submitted balanced budgets every year as governor, even though they were adjusted upward by the veto-proof Democrat legislature, resulting in higher spending and deficits.

Enough success for you, Finn? Of course not, but you’ve never let facts get in the way of a good whine, now have you?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
11:06 am

the economy as a whole is coming to a screeching halt.

Tell that to all the swing states where Romney is asking the governor’s to quit talking about how well their states are improving. LOL

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June 21st, 2012
11:07 am

Finn

We just need a few more tax cuts and less regs and the world economy will be booming, which will create consumer demand and Ryan’s budget proposal which will need 2.5% unemployment to be feasible will be obtained

Did they stop sending you the memos?

md

June 21st, 2012
11:07 am

“Government makes the engine possible. Without laws, property rights, courts, security (internal and external), transportation system, telephony system, etc., the engine collapses.”

And there in lies the fallacy……eveything the “gov’t” does can be and usually is done by the private sector……roads?, built by the private sector……ports? built by the private sector…..etc, etc, etc

Just about everything the gov’t does can be done by the private sector…….

You have it backwards……..the private sector CAN function and exist without the public sector, but the gov’t CAN NOT exist with that private engine (in a capitalistic system).

Society uses gov’t to make some things easier, but don’t mistake that for meaning it is a necessity…..

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:08 am

“so Romney will come in and wave the magic wand and the economy will be all fixed?”

No, but he’ll actually try something that works.

Oblama

June 21st, 2012
11:08 am

Because Obama is our 1st “Reality Show” President and he’s the extremely naive puppet of Nanny Pelosi and the far left agenda to form a socialist big brother government. Now he is withholding evidence under “executive privilege” through the aid of that old Clinton aider and abetter Eric Holder. Avoid impeachment – vote in someone with a clue and a plan to turn this economy around.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:10 am

“There is a big disconnect between the real Reagan and the fantasy world one of Republican minds.”

So according to Cheesy Grits, and ignoring all other facts, the economy actually didn’t improve during Reagan’s term . . .

Even hard-core Democrats don’t believe that rewriting of history, Cheesy.

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June 21st, 2012
11:11 am

“No, but he’ll actually try something that works”

And that will be?

Working with Congress to decrease spending? Hope you didn’t miss his recent comments on spending while the economy is not doing well. And if the European and Asian economies stay in a funk, it will not matter if it is Obama or Romney…..

Oblama

June 21st, 2012
11:12 am

Obama has contracted the King Roy Syndrome. Symptoms are arrogance, ignoring laws on the books, and stiff arming Congress to achieve his agenda. The only way to cure the King Roy Syndrome is to vote the offender out.

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June 21st, 2012
11:12 am

Ti

The economy didn improve, however you seem to sidestepping your own assertion bout the debt under Reagan

For someone who prides themselves on call out others for their lack of facts or just something you disagree with, one would think you could back up your claim……… right?

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June 21st, 2012
11:13 am

“did improve”

joe

June 21st, 2012
11:13 am

Cause he’s a freakin clueless idiot…thats why!

md

June 21st, 2012
11:14 am

“You mean like AIG.”

AIG was an “effect”, not a cause…….had folks not defaulted, there would be no bad securities or the need to insure bad securities…………

Oblama

June 21st, 2012
11:15 am

Obama is all about blaming the “other side” and not accepting blame. Check his voting record in Congress and what he’s pushed while being President. Big Government socialist spending programs…… he’s never seen one he didn’t like or vote for. Obama is a big government socialist.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:15 am

“As for your claim about Reagan not increasing the debt but only by a little bit”

Little one, I didn’t make that claim, so you are again in error. I merely stated that your “Reagan tripled the debt” comment was incorrect, and it was. For your edification, a lower number does not constitute “a little bit”; it merely provides a correction to your disinformation campaign.

I also provided context for you to show that Reagan’s spending policies, while excessive, actually were successful in their stated goal.

That you can’t acknowledge historical fact is not my problem, little one, but yours.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:17 am

“And that will be?

Working with Congress to decrease spending?”

Hopefully, as that is the biggest obstacle this world faces if we cannot control our spending.

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June 21st, 2012
11:17 am

md

Please see the derivative market………… That was malfeasance on the part of those who were involved in terms of the loan bundling and selling them over and over as if prices would never come down…….

Not down playing individuals lack of responsibility to pay their loans, but you are naive to think that the derivative part of this game was not in the billions and not a significant factor in this whole mess

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
11:18 am

Finn, weren’t you the genius who said the CIA had bin Laden in it’s sights a year before 9/11 but couldn’t act because Our President Bush didn’t budget the money? Even though Clinton was president a year before 9/11?

Haven’t heard much on that talking point lately. Let’s dig into that a bit.

md

June 21st, 2012
11:18 am

“Tell that to all the swing states where Romney is asking the governor’s to quit talking about how well their states are improving. LOL”

I shouldn’t have to tell you the difference, but the “economy” incudes all 50 states…..some doing much better than others……..it’s the sucky ones that are bring us all down……such as that liberal spending bastion out on the left coast……..

Tell me Finn……since GA has a balanced budget amendment and has to suffer the pain every year in balancing their budget, are you in favor of bailing out CA so they can pay for their immigration policies and liberal pension policies??

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
11:18 am

No, but he’ll actually try something that works

Ohoh! Answer a magic wand question with a magic wand answer!

That’s conservative debating for those of you watching at home.

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June 21st, 2012
11:19 am

Debt did triple, the fact “that you can’t acknowledge that is not my problem, but yours”

But nice spin

Keep up the great work

“little one”

Oblama

June 21st, 2012
11:20 am

EVOLVING. The thought is frightening. Do we want to give Obama four more years to EVOLVE or do want a true leader that doesn’t stick his finger up in the air to test the political winds and “evolve” whenever it benefits him politically?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
11:21 am

that liberal spending bastion out on the left coast

Funny thing is, the spending bastions are also the bastions of income and they all lean blue – CA, NY, IL. So, md, you want those states to be there to bail out the little contributors but you don’t want them to bail out themselves? Is that it?

By the way, where does GA rank in the contribution to the United States – the money that is used to keep this bog ole ship going?

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
11:22 am

Obozo needs four more years of “flexibility” so he can give away our missile defense and implement his other un-American, liberal fascist schemes.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
11:23 am

No, but he’ll actually try something that works

And when does Romney get around to telling us what that is? October?

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June 21st, 2012
11:23 am

Ti

don’t get too immature as you have demonstrated in the past. You might be over at Galloway’s before long

I’m out

md

June 21st, 2012
11:24 am

“Please see the derivative market………… That was malfeasance on the part of those who were involved in terms of the loan bundling and selling them over and over as if prices would never come down…….”

Once again, an effect not a cause………without bad borrowers, there can not be bad derivatives……

Oblama

June 21st, 2012
11:26 am

Actually Clinton was in office and decided to not pull the trigger on Osama though the CIA gave evidence indicating Osama was at that location. Clinton canceled the mission considering it to politically risky. It had nothing to do with lack of funding. Oddly enough Eric Holder withheld evidence to cover for Clinton and now he is doing the same for Obama. Eric Holder needs to be tried for treason.

md

June 21st, 2012
11:28 am

“Funny thing is, the spending bastions are also the bastions of income and they all lean blue – CA, NY, IL.”

May want to look up the word “net”…….I’d prefer to lose their “income” if in turn we get to lose their “debt”………..

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:28 am

“Debt did triple”

Actually, it did not. More like 2.5 times, but not triple. But don’t let facts get in your way, little one.

Ellen

June 21st, 2012
11:29 am

K-MOM said : Tiberius and Ellen,

This may seem a bit simplistic to you all, but I don’t know who is responsible for the death of Mr. Terry! –Sometimes things work, sometimes they don’t. I believe the people that sign up for such missions know the risk and accept them for benefit of the many. ————–

K-Mom, for one, do you feel special calling him ‘Mr Terry’ ? how about US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry ! In case you’re not aware, this man died a hero, protecting your ‘lack of respect attitude’ A***!!
and as far as signing up for missions and know the risks ? What does that have to do with anything? so , we should be like ” oh well…”…..the risks don’t contain being murdered because your government set you up to be gunned down !! And if anything else, the responsible party (our government) owes Agent Terry’s family an explanation ! Obama hiding behind is powers to keep the details in these documents hidden are not only showing his guilt, but also his inability to take responsibility for a country he knows nothing about running !

Oblama

June 21st, 2012
11:29 am

Obama is working with Congress to reduce spending and the Fed debt? You should be a stand up comic. He’s working with Congress to increase spending and the Fed debt and he’s collecting overtime.

Dusty

June 21st, 2012
11:30 am

At last! Kyle has gotten so disgusted with liberal politics he has realized a scorched earth policy is the only way to go. So he burned ‘em good!

At this moment, we Americans have an incompetent president and a “cover-up” attorney general. Kyle knows it and so do we.

Not only do we hope for change, we demand one legally. Americans will vote away incompetence.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:30 am

“And when does Romney get around to telling us what that is?”

I suggest you Google “Romney 59 point economic plan”, Finn. Of course, then you’d actually have to READ it, and since there’s not a lot of pictures and it isn’t in crayon, you might not understand it . . .

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
11:32 am

I’ll post this link to counteract md’s feeling of victimization by them big ole blue states:

so-called “blue states” tend to be high-income areas that pay the vast majority of federal taxes. Some 84 percent of federal individual income taxes—which account for over 40 percent of federal revenue—are paid by the those in the top 25 percent of the income distribution. The majority of these taxpayers live in wealthy, urban, politically “blue” areas like New York, California, and Massachusetts.
Even if federal spending were equal in all states, wealthy states would still send substantially more federal tax dollars to Washington than they received in spending, simply because they earn a majority of the nation’s income.

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/why-do-some-states-feast-federal-spending-not-others

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
11:34 am

Thanks, Tib, I’ll borrow a Prezidenchil crayon from W.

md

June 21st, 2012
11:38 am

California -. to gov’t $247,967, from gov’t $232,387 budget shortfall 25B.

You do the math……….

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June 21st, 2012
11:40 am

Lets see 900 billion in debt when took office. 2.8T when left office and that equals not only 2.5 times but was only a “little bit”. Factor in GDP……….

“But don’t let FACTS”, get in the way of you diatribe

but, but, but Obama

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June 21st, 2012
11:42 am

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 21st, 2012
11:44 am

Red-State Moochers: Federal Taxes Favor Those Who Complain the Most About Federal Taxes.

Living in a state that gets more federal money than it gives in federal taxes is a powerful political factor in influencing voting for a Republican for President.

DailyKos

Dusty

June 21st, 2012
11:44 am

Could we wander away from the subject just a little? The insults are down to the kindergarten level.

The BRAVES won last night against the formidable Yankees. There! Good news!

MrLiberty

June 21st, 2012
11:45 am

The real question will be whether or not the republicans at the GOP convention will realize that Romney will continue ALL of Obamas policies in the way Obama continued all of Bush’s.

Hopefully they will realize that he is NOT the candidate they should nominate and will do the right thing. Of course Goldman Sachs and the Rothchilds will be upset, but America might be better off for such a decision.

ND

June 21st, 2012
11:46 am

Obama does many of the same things as Bush because there is no substantive difference between the political parties when it comes to things like expansion of government and selling their souls to Wall Street and the military industrial complex. They instead choose to differentiate themselves over relatively unimportant issues like gay marriage. Given the choice between someone like Obama who may, once in a blue moon, do something sensible like refusing to deport high achieving Hispanic teenagers who were brought here as children, and someone like Romney who won’t even try to do anything sensible, I’ll vote for four more years.

Ellen

June 21st, 2012
11:47 am

And just reported, Sec of commerce John Bryson has retired (saying it’s because of health issues)….yeah, well, that’s as good excuse as any to get the heck out of there before all H-e-ll breaks lose!! Obama’s losing his posse, one by one !

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:47 am

Ahhh, the “when he took office” argument, which of course has been thoroughly debunked in the past. Actual increase was approximately 2.8 times – my bad. But still not triple.

And we do not factor in GDP when speaking about deficits in real dollar amounts, little one. That’s for liars and prevaricators.

And the repeated lie about my claiming a “little bit” when no such words were ever typed by me.

You’ve gone from clueless to liar, little one. No wonder you’re so welcome at that other site.

Thought you were leaving earlier. Another lie, perhaps?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:49 am

Daily Kos, salon.com . . .

Does Finn read anything actually objective?

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
11:52 am

California’s got a budget deficit? Why all the consternation on Jerry Brown’s part? Just raise taxes. Duh.

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June 21st, 2012
11:52 am

my bad “a bit”…………….. now play semantics with that

“And yet, Reagan did not. But don’t worry, while Reagan did increase the debt a bit over 2 times during his term, “

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
11:52 am

Does Finn read anything objective?

Yes. Kyle’s blog.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:53 am

“The real question will be whether or not the republicans at the GOP convention will realize that Romney will continue ALL of Obamas policies in the way Obama continued all of Bush’s.’

And the scary thing is that some people like Mr. Liberty actually believe that nonsense. :roll:

Paulistas are 10% of the population, but 70% of the political mouth in America.

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June 21st, 2012
11:53 am

Was it 2.5 or 3?

Facts show 3. You till going with your 2.5 number?

Why did Bookman kick you out?

hahahahahaha

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June 21st, 2012
11:54 am

“Paulistas are 10% of the population, but 70% of the political mouth in America.”

Sort of like you on this blog, but I digress

take care

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
11:55 am

We don’t pay interest on “2 times”, we pay interest on the dollar amount.

Obozo’s debt and interest in just three years vastly exceeds that of Our President Reagan.

All that Obozo debt, and he couldn’t keep Our President Bush’s recovery going, or prevent unemployment from exceeding that of Our President Bush for three-plus years.

Obozo: Fail.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
11:55 am

Gee, little one, reading comprehension get you down this morning?

“A bit over 2 times”, meaning “just over 2 times, not “a little bit”.

Moron.

K Mom

June 21st, 2012
12:06 pm

“K-Mom, for one, do you feel special calling him ‘Mr Terry’ ? how about US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry ! In case you’re not aware, this man died a hero, protecting your ‘lack of respect attitude’ A***!!”

Ellen, I was borned and raised in Middle Georgia. My parents taught me to respect people, which is obviously a lesson yours forgot! By including the title “Mr” in front of his name, I am extending to him the respect, courtesy and manners that he very much deserved! Don’t come at me with all of this manufactured outrage over this incident! Did you stand outside of the White House and proclaim justice for all of the soldiers that went to Iraq looking for WMD’s and died in the process? Did you go to the DOJ and demand justice for Pat Tillman? Why, let me try something more simple. Have you gone out and helped get people registered to vote? You, my dear, need to check yourself!

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

June 21st, 2012
12:13 pm

Tib, why does the sockpuppetmaster keep calling you “little one”? I thought I was “little one”.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
12:17 pm

“Have you gone out and helped get people registered to vote?”

K Mom, I have found that the people who are actually interested and involved in the voting process need no help in getting registered.

Samantha

June 21st, 2012
12:18 pm

Obama lied. He promised a third way that would be post partisan, post racial, that would unite the country.
He has governed as a divider, inciting one American against another seeking to find an electoral advantage by divisive pandering. Lying seems as easy as breathing to him as he regularly tells us what he not going to do…right before he does it.

His legacy at this point will be the most divided nation in history, fostered by his Chicago brand of political fighting and slander. Maybe we could call him the Great Divider.

Smoke

June 21st, 2012
12:18 pm

Memory Lane: 1. Clinton had eight years to catch binLaden. 2. Clinton caused the recession. 3. Cinton caused 200K manufaturing jobs to be lost. 4. Clinton forced lenders to make high risk loans. 5.Clinton removed “W” off every keyboard.

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
12:22 pm

“What’s unfolding in Florida highlights a dilemma for the Romney campaign: how to allow Republican governors to take credit for economic improvements in their states while faulting Obama’s stewardship of the national economy. Republican governors in Ohio, Virginia, Michigan and Wisconsin also have highlighted improving economies.”

So Romney does not waffle, he is just a common liar and non-christian.

K Mom

June 21st, 2012
12:23 pm

Tiberius,

I’m glad you feel that way about the older person that, through no fault of their own, is no longer listed. They really want to get reregistered but because they are older and may not have the best vision in the world are no longer driving. They really want to try and leave a better world for generations to come and want to exercise the right that thousands died for! I’m glad those people can count on you to help them!

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
12:24 pm

Smoke, even I don’t buy your trip down memory lane.

1. I do not believe Bin Laden had been identified as an important target at the beginning of Clinton’s term. I give him 2 years of failure in that regard.
2. I fail to see the connection between a President out of office for nearly 7 years causing a recession in 2008.
3. Possibly. I am assuming through his support of NAFTA?
4. Nope. That policy began far, far earlier than Clinton.
5. Certainly his staff did, but I suspect you wouldn’t have found his fingers near a keyboard. They were too busy elsewhere.

P Mo

June 21st, 2012
12:25 pm

For those who just can’t resist pointing out the “no preposition at the end of a sentence”, the rules have changed since yo’ mama pounded that into your head. It in no longer an absolute rule. Ending with a prepositon is permissible when the alternative would be less clear or is awkward, as well as several other situations. Language is about understanding and communication. Wasn’t your brain able to decipher the heading? lol

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
12:26 pm

“I’m glad you feel that way about the older person that, through no fault of their own, is no longer listed. They really want to get reregistered but because they are older and may not have the best vision in the world are no longer driving.”

And I do believe your anecdotal reply constitutes less than .000001 percent of people who need to be registered, K Mom.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
12:28 pm

Took only 4+ pages for tiredofIT to expose is religious bigotry.

That must be a record for this blog.

K Mom

June 21st, 2012
12:29 pm

Tiberius, it doesn’t matter how many you think it applies to. Everyone deserve the right to vote and if there are some that may need help with the process, it behooves all of us to help!

Fred

June 21st, 2012
12:29 pm

@Ayn Rant said “Unlike Bush/Cheney, Obama has addressed the critical social issues of medical coverage, immigration, and discrimination against women and gays.”

Hmmm, let’s see. On the immigration issue he wants to totally bypass the laws of this country and reward the criminals that broke/are breaking the laws of the land and insult those that come here the right way. Yep, he addressed it alright. But with that kind of solution I wish he had just left it alone!

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
12:42 pm

“Took only 4+ pages for tiredofIT to expose is religious bigotry”
Religion is man made, it is the Christians that have a problem. Just listen to them on the radio.

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
12:44 pm

Fred, same thought I had when Reagan gave them amnesty.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 21st, 2012
12:46 pm

“Religion is man made, it is the Christians that have a problem.”

So what? If you don’t have a problem with it, why did YOU bring it up?

Answer: Because you’re a religious bigot.

Hillbilly D

June 21st, 2012
12:52 pm

A politician saying one thing and doing another, isn’t exactly “man bites dog” territory.

Uh oh

June 21st, 2012
1:11 pm

“So what? If you don’t have a problem with it, why did YOU bring it up?”

Who are you? Anyone, including you, can bring up anything they like unless it goes outside of AJC and Wingfield’s “rules”.

tiredofIT

June 21st, 2012
2:04 pm

“Answer: Because you’re a religious bigot.”
Not really, I have many friends of different religions and that’s fine.

Ellen

June 21st, 2012
2:51 pm

K-Mom said : Ellen, I was borned and raised in Middle Georgia. My parents taught me to respect people, which is obviously a lesson yours forgot! By including the title “Mr” in front of his name, I am extending to him the respect, courtesy and manners that he very much deserved!
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wow, you’re from middle Georgia ? hmmmm, so was the girl who hopped on Roethlisberger’s knee wearing a DTF sign on her shirt then called ‘rape’ when he made a move on her (she so desperately encouraged!!)…..I don’t know that I’d shout that out , seeing as though middle Georgia isn’t too full of Harvard and Yale grads !! and by the way, would you refer to Obama as ‘Mr. Obama’ ? or ‘President Obama’ ? The ‘respectful way to address Brian Terry is ‘Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’….and what does any of this have to do with helping people vote ? Most people that never voted in their lives because they were too darn lazy, voted for the first time 3 years ago, and look what happened ?? If you don’t have the sense to know how to vote ? then probably better off that you don’t !!

K Mom

June 21st, 2012
4:41 pm

One more thing my parents taught me: Never argue with a fool! Sometimes listeners can’t tell which is which! By the way, space really isn’t require between the end of your sentence and the punctuation. All that and I didn’t even attend Harvard! Go figure! You, my dear, have a great day!

Ellen

June 21st, 2012
6:44 pm

all that, and you didn’t answer my question……how would you address Obama ? Mr or President?

[...] faint, but the US Senate actually passed a bill. – Rep. Tom Price: Two can play that game. – The “Blame Bush” mantra is really getting old there, sport. – Georgia Senators remind The President he can’t by-pass [...]

Morning Reads for Friday June 22, 2012

June 22nd, 2012
11:55 am

[...] faint, but the US Senate actually passed a bill. – Rep. Tom Price: Two can play that game. – The “Blame Bush” mantra is really getting old there, sport. – Georgia Senators remind The President he can’t by-pass [...]

Gm

June 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm

I am sure Kyle President Obama is sorry for running up the debt, after all spending the money on fellow Americans is not important, I guess it was more important to start two wars that were not funded and watch our economy collaps.

Poor President Obama still cleaning up the mess, under what administration was the Fast Furious started under?

That Black guy

June 22nd, 2012
3:34 pm

Gm

June 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm

Poor President Obama still cleaning up the mess, under what administration was the Fast Furious started under?
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Obama

This was another of those”simple answers to stupid questions” thingees.

2009–2011: Operation Fast and Furious
On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][27][28] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the “gunwalking” tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[29] The effort, beginning in November, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal