Health researchers: Bloomberg’s sugary drink ban will fail

Who thinks New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s nanny-state ban on (some) large sugary drinks not only won’t work, but will backfire? The very researchers whose work Bloomberg cited as justification for proposing the ban. From The Atlantic:

Yes, we have found that when people are given larger portions, they do drink or eat substantially more. But to claim that these results imply that the ban will be effective is to ignore our larger body of work. In our experiments, subjects were given larger or smaller portions of food in a dining or party setting, where they were unlikely to notice portion size. It is exactly because participants weren’t paying attention that we got the results we did.

The mayor’s approach, however, overtly denies people portions they are used to be able to get whenever they want them. In similar lab settings, this kind of approach has inspired various forms of rebellion among study participants. For example, openly serving someone lowfat or reduced-calorie meals tends to lead to increased fat or calorie consumption over the whole day. People reason that because they were forced to be good for one meal, they can splurge on snacks and desserts at later meals.

The researchers, Prof. Brian Wansink and David Just of Cornell University, note the danger of taking a (pardon the pun) ham-fisted approach to health policy is that it will discourage future attempts to promote good health. And they leave no doubt that Bloomberg’s approach will fail:

150 years of research in food economics tells us that people get what they want. Someone who buys a 32-ounce soft drink wants a 32-ounce soft drink. He or she will go to a place that offers fountain refills, or buy two. If the people who want them don’t have much money, they might cut back on fruits or vegetables or a bit of their family meal budget.

Who buys large soft drinks? It’s not just the people who may have some disregard for their weight. It may also be the construction worker who buys a single drink and nurses it all day. It may be the family of three who decides to split a single drink to save money.

They also point out that Bloomberg might have been more successful had he created incentives for beverage companies to promote their lower-calorie products — and that he expressly rejected such an approach.

It seems to me the researchers’ explanations strike at the heart of the reason we can’t legislate good habits without resorting to Draconian measures (in this case, for example, a total ban on sugary drinks — although even that would fail if the ban didn’t extend well beyond New York City’s borders). And, of course, unintended consequences that could end up being worse than the intended ones.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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MarkV

June 18th, 2012
11:39 am

Is Bloomberg’s silly idea really a good topic for a blog discussion?

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
11:40 am

Awww, Kyle, how sweet it is and how useless it is to regulate people’s choices on such as that.

I wanted to hear more about security leaks. Next maybe?

GDRLA

June 18th, 2012
11:47 am

Seems as if a better way would be to remove Federal level price supports on sugar & corn syrup so the market price of the beverages that contain these products would be higher – that might reduce the consumption. Is a silly response to a ‘problem’ in that I can just order multiple 16oz drinks or get unlimited refills. If unlimited refills or multiple purchases are restricted then I would file a request for an injunction as it restricts my ‘persuit of happiness’ and spending my money (property). Or, to add a ’sin tax’ similar to alcohol & tobacco. And for the record – I am a FAT person but I do not drink sugary beverages, smoke, or drink alcohol and do not expect others to pay for my bad habits.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
11:47 am

I raise my sugary 32 oz drink to BLOOMBERG!!! May he have a long life of oats, nuts, milk, organics and water by the gallon. Here’s to you, fellow!!

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
11:51 am

GDRLA

OK, you’re OUT! No fat persons allowed on this subject!! Sorry!

But thanks for your honesty.

Bulges are beautiful!!

Jimmy62

June 18th, 2012
11:55 am

MarkV: Completely appropriate. This is basically a conservative blog, and in the age of the Tea Party, how is government overreach not appropriate?

One of the arguments against ObamaCare is that if they can force us to buy health insurance, then they can force us to buy anything, with broccoli being the frequently used example. Bloomberg comes in from the opposite direction, preventing us from buying certain things. It’s not quite the same since there are plenty of products that are illegal to sell and buy and should remain so.. Overall I would say that Bloomberg’s move is typical nanny-state “I know better than you” BS. And with studies showing it will do more harm than good, it’s another lesson that just because someone is rich or elected (or both) doesn’t mean they should tell us how to live our lives.

Don't Tread

June 18th, 2012
11:57 am

“we can’t legislate good habits without resorting to Draconian measures”

Or violating someone’s rights. But liberals don’t care about infringing someone’s rights, and pass the legislation anyway. Does anyone in NYC really think they have Constitutional rights when the mayor is busy banning certain sizes of soft drinks, the “stop and frisk” rule, the Sullivan law, etc.? It’s like a police state in there.

I wish someone would do the right thing and impeach these people.

carlosgvv

June 18th, 2012
11:58 am

There will always be some politicians, both liberal and conservative, who, when given some power, will insist on running your life as much as possible. Bloolberg is one of them.

JDW

June 18th, 2012
12:00 pm

It’s kind of like designing sales compensation plans, actions are dictated by economics. You want to curtail consumption…raise the price.

Apple Bottom

June 18th, 2012
12:02 pm

Hasn’t Bloomberg outlived his usefullness just like our favorite caucasian golddigger on Atlanta housewives?

Muffin Top

June 18th, 2012
12:03 pm

Top of the muffin’ to ya……

the cat

June 18th, 2012
12:10 pm

The 1% keeps rolling along…..

The Romneys took a $77,000 tax deduction for one of Ann’s horses?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/06/16/the_tax_deductibility_of_horse_related_expenses.html

Curious George

June 18th, 2012
12:11 pm

WIll Mayor Bloomberg apply for a federal drone permit to send unmanned, golf-ball-sized drones into restaurants to spy on paying customers and owners to make sure no one is ignoring his ban on sugary drinks?

Curious George

June 18th, 2012
12:13 pm

Remember September 10, 2001, when this was still a (relatively) free country, before 0bama bin Laden WON by getting America’s own government to take away the civil liberties of its citizens?

Darwin

June 18th, 2012
12:17 pm

Although I understand the right wing’s determination that all things from the government is bad, excluding invading other nations for their resources, it’s almost as if you cheer for obesity, pollution, toxic contamination, proxy health care via emergency rooms for the uninsured, and so forth. Very bizarre indeed.

GT

June 18th, 2012
12:18 pm

Dead on and drugs are in that logic too. What is more Republican than to let em eat cake and die? Leaves more for the living! And speaking of the Republican spirit I just sent my competitor a dozen cases of coke, with my best wishes.

iggy

June 18th, 2012
12:19 pm

As long as they dont take away my 40 oz, Im ok!

Gimme Gimme Gimme

June 18th, 2012
12:21 pm

Cat-

So what? It’s in the tax code and is a legal deduction. Romney has never had a job that could effect Federal Tax Code.

Try harder. I am sure there are more talking points in your DNC email.

Kyle Wingfield

June 18th, 2012
12:21 pm

No, Darwin, what’s bizarre is that you can’t imagine any other reasons conservatives might oppose particular measures to address such problems, other than cheering for the bad outcomes.

Actually, it’s not all that bizarre. It’s pretty predictable, and pitiful.

GDRLA

June 18th, 2012
12:21 pm

Dusty, thanks for your honesty – I am fat from other issues opposed to those discussed here & what I mentioned in my reply – however I can (& will) use my bulk to push my way into situations such as this….Bloomfield might be well-intentioned but he is completely nuts & off the mark in this issue – there are ways around it – just look @ Prohibition & what happened there…same as what is currently happening with drugs – Guess if this sort of restriction ever comes to GA I will be buying sugar in bulk to make soda from my illicit still (oh wait, there is still a GA law that restricts me to buying no more than 50# of sugar @ 1 time – leftover from the old ’shine days). So even my beloved South has its share of stupid laws.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
12:26 pm

“it’s almost as if you cheer for obesity, pollution, toxic contamination, proxy health care via emergency rooms for the uninsured, and so forth.”

No, Darwin, but thanks for the hyperbolic response.

We don’t want “no government”; just less government and one that is more responsible and effective.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
12:29 pm

Curious George 12:11

It won’t do any good for Mayor Bloomberg to send unmanned golf ball sized drones into restaurants.to spy. Their locations will be LEAKED!
—-
aYIEEEE There’s a golf ball sized drone on my ceiling. It is aiming it’s toothpick sized gun at my 32 oz delicious sugary soft drink . Help! Oh! Splat!!! 911 911 Send howitzer right away!!

(Sorry, Kyle! The sugar made me do it!)

the cat

June 18th, 2012
12:36 pm

Romney has never had a job

Yeah-we know that.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 18th, 2012
12:37 pm

And michelle obozo is living proof of this fact.

No matter how much she babbles, scolds, fingerwags or huffs and puffs at us about what we eat, her a$$ just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

She’s been gorging, ew.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 18th, 2012
12:38 pm

raise taxes by the ounce!

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
12:40 pm

GDRLA 12:21

Glad you are still with us and full of fatty infomation.

Like I was just going to run down to the convenience store and pick up my weekly 75 pounds of sugar. Now I find out it is illegal. How am I gonna bake a cake or two?

the cat

June 18th, 2012
12:44 pm

i report- this obsesssion you have with Ms. Obama’s posterior says a lot about you.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
12:47 pm

the cat 12:36

I see you’ve been smoking CATNIP again.

“Romney never had a job”????

He’s no Democrat, kitty. He has worked! Successfully! Honestly! Intelligently! Definitely not a Democrat!

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
12:47 pm

And your obsession with parsing comments to make a false impression of the truth says a lot about you, the cat.

the cat

June 18th, 2012
12:49 pm

Governor of a poor and pitiful state that bhedid absolutely nothing to improve other than providing AHC. What else? The Olympics? big deal, he had staffers, he was just the figure head. Bain Capital? big whoop.

GT

June 18th, 2012
12:51 pm

Predictability seems to be the style of the day, conversation has no use, we knew our and your answer before they were spoken.

The talk shows now make sure the vested interest have equal numbers to balance the conversation, knowing before hand exactly what you are going to say. Political views are like making a living being religious, then waking up one morning with doubts there is a god. The dilemma becomes do I continue to sound religious so I can keep my job or do I come out of the closet and tell people the real me. Just like a lawyer can represent both sides of a crime so can a spokesperson but a spokesperson can’t get work if he is believed to be a phoney. So no compromise, no acknowledgement the other side is right no matter how right or honest. Predictability is killing a good country.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
12:52 pm

the cat, this is not a Romney thread, so I’ll refrain from taking it in a direction Kyle doesn’t want to go.

Needless to say, your partisan grip on reality is tenuous at best.

carlosgvv

June 18th, 2012
12:53 pm

Curious George – 12:13

Please funish us a list of all the civil liberties our Govt. has taken away from us since Obama was elected.

the cat

June 18th, 2012
12:53 pm

Tibs-no rebuttal-no problem LOL

RC--apoi

June 18th, 2012
12:55 pm

Well, I’m all for that 32 oz. ban. What are they going to drink when they can’t get 32 oz.-sized Cokes? Why, beer, or course, or that cheap wine Sister Dusty guzzles. Either way I win.

Rick in Grayson

June 18th, 2012
12:55 pm

I’m fine with people eating at fast food restaurants every day and consuming as much sugar as they want to. However, I do not want that person or the government reaching into my wallet to pay for their indulgences.

Those that smoke, drink in excess, do drugs, have high BMI scores will simply have to pay health insurance premiums appropriate for their risky behaviors. Set the default health insurance premiums to a high level and through physican testing and examinations allow health premiums to be lowered for those that don’t have any evidence of risky health practices and/or those that follow routines that lead to better health (diet and exercise). Some citizens may be genetically pre-disposed to certain diseases, but they should still have to pay a higher premium.

Aquagirl

June 18th, 2012
12:55 pm

what’s bizarre is that you can’t imagine any other reasons conservatives might oppose particular measures to address such problems, other than cheering for the bad outcomes.

Well, when said “conservatives” ignore the long chain of government intervention and subsidies that make the 32 oz drink the norm, then yes, it looks like y’all are indeed for bad outcomes.

If y’all were so concerned about the nanny state, you’d oppose nanny state intervention that makes cheap crap possible. Instead, most cons remain silent. Matter of fact, they hop about like cheerleaders, hollering government should provide business with whatever they demand.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
12:59 pm

the cat@ 12:49

Complain on! We know you get your MeowMix with food stamps and your kitties are in PeachCare.

So Romney worked and made a great living? I see you consider that CRIMINAL!!

Right! Why work when you can be a Democrat on the dole?

Kyle Wingfield

June 18th, 2012
1:00 pm

Aquagirl: Find me a conservative who likes corn and sugar subsidies. That is, one who is not a legislator who’s been lobbied by the corn and sugar industries…

Kyle Wingfield

June 18th, 2012
1:02 pm

the cat: We had a thread from Friday that lends itself to Obama-Romney comparisons, and we’ll have another one by tomorrow at the latest. On this thread, please stay on topic.

Curious

June 18th, 2012
1:06 pm

Kyle,

I’d bet the majority of corn and sugar producers are conservatives and probably pretty ugly about the Government.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
1:09 pm

AquaGirl, 12:55

I see you’ve been enjoying more than 32 oz soft drinks. Big celebration for Father’s Day? Headache?

What’s this about “nanny state” and “cheap intervention” and “hopping around”? Huh?. You can do better than that. Maybe you could add a little Bush bait or the more usual lib tralala

iggy

June 18th, 2012
1:10 pm

The govt cant balance a checkbook, root out fraud or make even the most simple of decisions. Perhaps limiting soda pop and oppressing the electorate is their true calling.

DawgDad

June 18th, 2012
1:17 pm

iggy, you’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s all about power.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
1:17 pm

RC-apoi 12:55

Whatcha doing over here? You’re a Bookman Buddy. And if you want to throw off on my lovely Manichevitz, wait until Christmas when I bake my fruitcake. If I can get my 75 lbs.of sugar for baking, that is…

md

June 18th, 2012
1:25 pm

“ignore the long chain of government intervention and subsidies that make the 32 oz drink the norm”

“you’d oppose nanny state intervention that makes cheap crap possible.”

Both functions of the consumer……we choose everything we do…….buying is a “do”.

Consumers dictate what is made and how big it is or isn’t…..which also has a direct relationship to their own wages.

1961_Xer

June 18th, 2012
1:33 pm

It may be the family of three who decides to split a single drink to save money.

Bingo. My wife and I and kids do this ALL THE TIME. We go to the Varsity and get a large frosted Varsity orange… and split it four ways. My wife and I order an entree… knowing it will feed two… and split it. Then, we split a dessert.

What the nanny state does, in fact, is punish those with normal weight and self control:
Meth heads getting into the pseudofed? Make the other 300 million citizens wait at the pharmacy desk for a half hour a year for pseudofed. Punish those who use OTC drugs responsibly. Make them kill 100 Million man-hours a year standing in line for Pseudofed (at a cost of 1-2 Billion dollars each year in wasted time).

Fatties drinking too much cola? Punish the other 200 million Americans who eat and drink responsibly by limiting THEIR portions, too. Punish those who can control themselves by forcing them to pony up twices as much.

It did not take two weeks before NY started offering up OTHER things which can be size-reduced. Movie popcorn, anyone (my wife and I split the popcorn. Buying two will cost almost twice as much)?

I am 6ft and weigh 165lbs. I have no problem with folks being overweight as long as it does not affect me. But it does. It does because they use 70% of the healthcare dollars in this society. It does because the punishment that proggies want to inflict on those people will be inflicted on me as well. So I get to pay for the asinine attempt to force them to eat right, and I get to pay for the medical bills. Wonderful.

scrappy

June 18th, 2012
1:33 pm

“Or violating someone’s rights. But liberals don’t care about infringing someone’s rights, and pass the legislation anyway. ”

Hahahahahahaha!!! So funny! Oh, I forgot, Cons only care about infringing someone’s rights when it is something they don’t like.

It is an OUTRAGE that they try to deny someones right to buy a soda, but when it comes to purchasing a drink on Sunday, or which Birth control I use, or who I have sex with, or what I discuss with my doctor – that is no biggie and in fact should be regulated by the GOP.
Right?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 18th, 2012
1:35 pm

off topic:
To take one other example of big government that conservatives support, highly paid professionals (e.g. doctors, dentists and lawyers) use licensing restrictions to limit both foreign and domestic competition. While the government has been using the banner of “free trade” to drive down the wages of manufacturing workers, it has simultaneously been increasing the protection afforded doctors in order to prevent any similar downward pressure on their wages.

If doctors in the United States were paid the same as doctors in Western Europe, it would save us more than $80 billion a year. The big government subsidy to doctors alone is close to two times the money involved in Bush’s tax cuts to the wealthy.

Dean Baker
truthout.org

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
1:36 pm

So Bloomberg comes up with the idea to prevent the sale of 32 oz drinks. Most everybody will just buy two 16 oz ones and some of those will probably just do it to be rebellious. About the only change that I can see is that two 16 oz Co-Colas cost more than one 32 oz. You’d just about suspect Bloomberg has a buddy who has a distributorship, who might profit from all this. Stranger things have happened.

1961_Xer

June 18th, 2012
1:38 pm

Aquagirl: Find me a conservative who likes corn and sugar subsidies. That is, one who is not a legislator who’s been lobbied by the corn and sugar industries

Aquagirl has been bitch slapped on this one before. It is DEMOCRAT lawmakers and BLUE states who benefit the most from corn and sugar subsidies. I’m not sure why she keeps pushing the point. If she has a problem with this, she needs to make demands of her own Democrat overlords instead of insisting that conservatives do something about it.

RC--apoi

June 18th, 2012
1:40 pm

We go to the Varsity and get a large frosted Varsity orange… and split it four ways. My wife and I order an entree… knowing it will feed two… and split it. Then, we split a dessert.

Well, I don’t know about you, but I smell CHEAP—big time. It’s just a shame to hide it while blasting big fat plus size people. Like that fellow Thomas Hardy once wrote, “Some people call a spade an agricultural implement.”

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
1:45 pm

Rick in Grayson

I’m fine with people eating at fast food restaurants every day and consuming as much sugar as they want to. However, I do not want that person or the government reaching into my wallet to pay for their indulgences.

Amen, brother! That is why we need individual hc policies, not tied to your employer. Each person responsible for their own hc, and each person getting the same incentives that their employer receives, i.e., a tax deduction for you premiums. It would allow you to take your insurance wherever you work and when you lose your job. But, the most important thing, is it would allow your insurer to give you benefits for remaining trim and healthy. People who do as Rick advised would “grow out” of their low priced bracket and into one more fitting their lack of physical health. Reward and punishment work, government programs where everyone is treated the same do not.

And, have you noticed that a person usually sipping a “diet Cola” is usually overweight. They order a triple whopper with the large fries and a “diet Coke”. If “diet sodas” worked we would see some benefit by now. The waist size of Americans has probably increased dramatically since the introduction of the modern sugar substitute.

Kyle Wingfield

June 18th, 2012
1:46 pm

Finn: Whoever Dean Baker is, neither he nor you can reasonably call support for licensing requirements a “conservative” thing.

Aquagirl

June 18th, 2012
1:46 pm

Find me a conservative who likes corn and sugar subsidies.

I can find an awful lot who just can’t be arsed to do anything about them. They’re right here, hollering about a stupid meaningless soda ban while millions of taxpayer dollars are diverted to certain businesses. Sorry, but lacking awareness or action does not prove outrage.

I know it’s standard nowadays to mumble “yeah, that’s not right” and then turn your guns on somebody you don’t like. It says a lot about people who call themselves conservatives.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
1:49 pm

Tom Harkin, Iowa senator, corn, ethanol, corn sugar man. Big Government Democrat!

Thulsa Doom

June 18th, 2012
1:50 pm

Nanny state legislation failing again- this time on sugary drinks? No surprise there. Perhaps Bloomberg needs to hire a special black ops food and sugar police force to make sure nobody takes in to much sugar..

stands for decibels

June 18th, 2012
1:50 pm

Kyle, I didn’t think much of Bloomberg’s proposed ban when I first heard of it, and I like it even less after reading that Atlantic article you’d linked.

To drill a bit deeper though, regarding this:

Bloomberg might have been more successful had he created incentives for beverage companies to promote their lower-calorie products

for the record, here’s what the Atlantic article states:

While consumers deride brands, they love promotions. For instance, perhaps there could be a meal deal discount if a person bought a diet drink. Or a perhaps a healthy habit loyalty card would be given out and punched if a person opted for milk, juice, or water instead of a sugary drink. But the mayor’s office has said that it does not want to work with retailers to brainstorm options for workable solutions.

Wouldn’t encouraging or, possibly, economically incentivizing such options, still run afoul of your notions of marketplace freedom? Or do you think a NYC mayor’s responsibility might include working with restaurateurs to produce such solutions?

md

June 18th, 2012
1:50 pm

“If doctors in the United States were paid the same as doctors in Western Europe, it would save us more than $80 billion a year. The big government subsidy to doctors alone is close to two times the money involved in Bush’s tax cuts to the wealthy.”

For starters, WE is socialized medicine, so the nanny dictates wages and one usually gets what one pays for in that scenario…….I’ll take the private approach were I can choose vs getting stuck with the only option…….

And any subsidies paid for here are for the most part on behalf of those that can’t/won’t pay their own way instead shifting the burden on all the others……….

md

June 18th, 2012
1:58 pm

The answer lies not in the actions but in the consequences. No different than raising children…..if you do xx, then the consequences will be yy.

The problem in our society is too many don’t suffer the consequences without some excuse or another……or pointing the finger elsewhere.

In this case, it’s a simple process…..drinking big drinks may cause xx…..if one suffers from xx, then good luck as one will bear the brunt of said consequences on one’s own. Except the left usually likes to spread those consequences around a bit in order to be more “fair”…….

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 18th, 2012
1:58 pm

Yeah, there are no Republican politicians in states benefiting from farm subsidies.
Right

In the corn-producing states there are no Republican politicians scared to broach the subject of ending subsidies?
Right

JDW

June 18th, 2012
2:03 pm

@Kyle…”Conservitives” and sugar…

Here is the most recent Senate vote on an bill to elimnate sugar subsidies. Please note it was “defeated” 50 to 46 because Republicans require 60 votes to do anything. Also note that of the nays 30 were Republican…

http://votesmart.org/bill/votes/40317

By my count that means about 65% of all Republicans in the Senate do in fact support the subsidies while only about 30% of the Democratics do so.

Aquagirl

June 18th, 2012
2:04 pm

Aquagirl has been bitch slapped on this one before.

Oh, did you bitch slap Chuck Grassley into the Democratic party? Or Terry Branstad? Because that didn’t make the papers.

Your sad fantasies of bitch slapping women are just that—fantasies. You’re gonna have to step it up if you want to join conservative heroes like Bob McDonnell.

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
2:06 pm

I think the modern day “24/7″ lifestyle contributes as much to obesity, as anything else. Only the people can fix that, though.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
2:07 pm

Finn, you are right the Rep senators are just as involved as the Dems in protecting their states’ interest.

Aquagirl was the one, who started the partisanship battle blaming conservatives for loving sugar and corn subsidies. Any Senator, Rep, or Governor of a state that produces a great deal of those, will be in favor of those.

All incentives that favor one product, one state, or one individual over another should end. Aquagirl would not be so happy if we ended green energy subsidies, minority set asides, or affirmative action, just corn and sugar subsidies.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 18th, 2012
2:08 pm

Of the 27 Senate “Nay” votes on ending the $6 billion a year corn ethanol subsidy (voted on in 2011), 52% were Republicans.

carlosgvv

June 18th, 2012
2:09 pm

Finn – 1:35

The medical and legal industries make large contributions to Republican election and re-election funding. So,it’s only natural they will get full monetary protection from conservatives in the Govt. Money talks.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 18th, 2012
2:11 pm

If we took 2 hour lunches every day – to go home and nap or hang out with our spouses – we would all be thinner, healthier, and a helluva lot happier.

md

June 18th, 2012
2:11 pm

“I think the modern day “24/7″ lifestyle contributes as much to obesity, as anything else. Only the people can fix that, though.”

Very much so…..technology has made “us” fatter. Kids no longer play outside, computers in every room, tv’s in every room, xbox, smartphones, etc etc…..

In the past, folks would eat all the bad stuff cooked in lard of all things and not have near the health problems they do today……but they also got up with the sun and worked in the fields until dark…..no fattys in the fields…….

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
2:15 pm

JDW, you DO realize this was simply an amendment to a larger bill that Republicans were opposed to, don’t you?

Of course you don’t.

md

June 18th, 2012
2:15 pm

I think the corn/sugar subsidy argument is basically a wash……subsidizing food is the one item that we may actually need subsidies…….of course if we quit subsidizing corn and sugar and the price of both go up, the same people will be calling for subsidies for the “poor pitiful poor” that can no longer afford as much of either………..

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
2:18 pm

Kyle, forgive me for this aside for JDW, I’ll blame this big ole 64 Oz coke for making me crazy.

JDW

I read this column this week and immediately thought of you. You have been battling Kyle and Tiberius about how you see Oblama as not a big spender compared to other presidents. I know you will disagree, but this guy gives a good explanation for why he is a big spender.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/06/14/president-obama-the-biggest-government-spender-in-world-history/

Aquagirl

June 18th, 2012
2:19 pm

Aquagirl was the one, who started the partisanship battle blaming conservatives for loving sugar and corn subsidies.

You mean today? I blamed the blog-dwelling pseudo-conservatives here for whining more about a meaningless soda ban than millions of dollars in subsidies. Kyle brought up the congresscritters, I try not to mention them unless forced to discuss such unseemly creatures. :)

md

June 18th, 2012
2:24 pm

“meaningless soda ban”

The removal of freedoms should be a problem for everybody in a free society regardless of how small the matter……

JDW

June 18th, 2012
2:26 pm

@Tiberuis…”you DO realize this was simply an amendment to a larger bill that Republicans were opposed to, don’t you?”

You do realize that without the sugar subsidies included that the Senate voted 90 to 8 tto proceed on the farm bill…no of course you didn’t.

iggy

June 18th, 2012
2:32 pm

Sugar/obesity. Chicken/egg.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
2:33 pm

Well, the great battle of the Sugar Show is still going Another Battle of the Bulge! Calories are being shot everywhere! Liberals lick their lollipops while Conservatives stick to their guns.

Then comes Bookman Buddy RC (Redneck for all you innocents) talking about CHEAP! Here’s a guy living in a trailer with a 300lb wife and he wants to talk about CHEAP. As Charlie Chaplin once said”Every Dem has his day to deviate doggedly!”

I.

Liz

June 18th, 2012
2:37 pm

Yes, it is almost as bad as vaginal wand ultrasounds GOP craze required because women are also presumed to be too stupid to make decisions about their bodies.

SBinF

June 18th, 2012
2:40 pm

Glad you’re coming out about government intrusion in our lives. I assume your next post will conclude that states should stay out of our bedrooms and out of every woman’s uterus?

I can’t wait for tomorrow’s posting!

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
2:42 pm

OHhh, I just thought of it.

Will everyone against farm subsidies please STOP EATING.

Aquagirl, you first! Finn second, JDW third. Then Food stampers!

Who needs that ol’ stuff they grow!! It’s just food.

Thulsa Doom

June 18th, 2012
2:42 pm

“Kyle brought up the congresscritters, I try not to mention them unless forced to discuss such unseemly creatures.”

Congresscritters. Never heard a that one before. Perty funny though. And yes. They are unseemly creatures. Cons and libs both ought to be able to agree on that much.

JDW

June 18th, 2012
2:44 pm

@Rafe..”I know you will disagree, but this guy gives a good explanation for why he is a big spender.”

I do disagree because he is using opinion, assumptions and slight of hand. First off is his bit about additional appropriations…what he doesn’t bother to tell you is that outside of the stimulus the “additional appropriations” were to pay the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan operations that Duhbya had been keeping “off the books”…there is more but he is done at that point.

JDW

June 18th, 2012
2:48 pm

@Dusty…”Will everyone against farm subsidies please STOP EATING. ”

Why what happened to Free Enterprise, limited regulation and smaller government…O’ yeah that doesn’t count when Big Biz is the beneficiary.

stands for decibels

June 18th, 2012
2:49 pm

Congresscritters. Never heard a that one before. Perty funny though.

I’ve always preferred the more traditional spelling: “Congrefscritters.”

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

June 18th, 2012
2:52 pm

Dusty, we don’t use much sugar and try to avoid anything with corn syrup.

But I do love the popcorn.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
2:54 pm

LIZ & SBinF

A little modesty please. Nobody wants to hear about your uterus and your vagina, for pete’s sake! Your bedroom either. Aintcha got no manners?

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
2:56 pm

Finn, 2:52

You don’t use much sugar? I”m surprised. You are so sweet all the time.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
2:57 pm

JD

What he did, was dispossess us of the notion that W was responsible for the outrageous spending in 2009. Bush proposed a 3% increase in spending, long after he was out of office, Pelosi, Reid, and Oblamer authorized a 17% increase and then they used that year as a baseline, so that future years could be recorded as a net decrease. Oblamer then picks up on the column by the moron that labeled him “frugal” and tried to willfully deceive the public, which luckily no one bought, into believing he was a prudent spender.

itpdude

June 18th, 2012
2:58 pm

Having grown up poor, my big objection to the ban is the fact that the only way many families can afford a Pepsi or Coke is to get a huge drink and share it amongst themselves. I get that Bloomy is trying to help fat people but he’s hurting the poor and probably doesn’t know it because he’s a rich guy who never had to share a drink with anyone in his life.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
2:58 pm

JDW, you DO realize that S.3240 has yet to be passed by the Senate, don’t you?

Of course you didn’t.

finn mccool

June 18th, 2012
3:01 pm

There could be an incentive to stay within a certain percentage of your target bmi…..

Aquagirl

June 18th, 2012
3:01 pm

Congresscritters. Never heard a that one before.

Really? I thought I heard it over at Bookman’s lib’rul marxist blog, now this is gonna drive me crazy. I hate it when I can’t remember where I steal the good stuff. :)

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
3:01 pm

Finn
Dusty, we don’t use much sugar and try to avoid anything with corn syrup

Thanks, Finn, it shows that Libs and Conservatives can work together for the benefit of all.

Your not buying corn syrup makes my pecan pies oh, so much more affordable. My coffee with two sugars each morning tastes so much better thanks to you Finn. Muchas gracias, Finn!

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
3:03 pm

JDW

I think you should be the FIRST to stop eating. BIG BUSINESS keeps this world going and the food coming..

You’d be eating organic dandelion greens without it. Try it. Then you won’t have all the bother with BIG BUSINESS. Show your stuff. STOP EATING!

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
3:06 pm

Iptude

Explain to me why I see people, maybe poor I don’t know, come in as a family and buy several fountain drinks for individual family members, some not putting ice in their drinks in an effort to get more of the good stuff, and they leave the store paying 3.50-4.00. The mystery is why they pass the 2 liter drinks on sale for $1.39. Seems they could buy the 2 liter and some cups and come out way ahead.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
3:08 pm

Rafe,

I told you Finn was a sweet guy!

And pecan pies, my favorite, right after fruit cake. Wunderbar!!

JDW

June 18th, 2012
3:08 pm

@Rafe…Bush proposed a $3.1 trillion dollar budget in 2009 actual spending was $3.5 trillion. The difference is about $200 billion in stimulus which I take out when comparing numbers, another $100+ billion in unfunded war costs that Duhbya did not have the decency to request himself and the remaining difference can be attributed to line items in the original submission that were underestimated say unemployment insurance.

There was no “Pelosi, Reid, and Oblamer authorized a 17% increase”. That among other reasons is why the analysis is flawed.

JDW

June 18th, 2012
3:11 pm

@Dusty…I don’t mind bothering with BIG BUSINESS. In fact I make a lot of money bothering with BIG BUSINESS. What I really like about BIG BUSINESS is that they are BIG. Therefore they don’t need BIG help from the rest of us because thier BIG BUSINESS should support them without scarfing up tax dollars.

iggy

June 18th, 2012
3:11 pm

“The mystery is why they pass the 2 liter drinks on sale for $1.39. Seems they could buy the 2 liter and some cups and come out way ahead.”

My guess is they are too lazy, too stupid or both.

scrappy

June 18th, 2012
3:12 pm

“Nobody wants to hear about…”

You don’t want to hear about it, only regulate it for us in case we actually want to make a decision ourselves.

JDW

June 18th, 2012
3:13 pm

@Tiberius…”JDW, you DO realize that S.3240 has yet to be passed by the Senate, don’t you?”

Why of course I did. I also have the critical thinking skills to figure out that if the bill passed Cloture by a 90-8 vote it is not “generally opposed by the Republican Party”…apparently you did not make that connection.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 18th, 2012
3:15 pm

Case in point-

More killed in Chicago this year than in Afghanistan…

And guns are “outlawed” in Chicago.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
3:17 pm

AquaGirl repeats “good stuff”? Really?

Road Scholar

June 18th, 2012
3:18 pm

“Yes, we have found that when people are given larger portions, they do drink or eat substantially more… ..subjects were given larger or smaller portions of food in a dining or party setting,…”

They didn’t mind since the food was given to them! What would be their satisfaction level if they had to pay for it?

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
3:20 pm

I Report, 3:15

They have a nice dinosaur in Chicago. I saw it once. It was dead too.

iggy

June 18th, 2012
3:22 pm

“They didn’t mind since the food was given to them! What would be their satisfaction level if they had to pay for it?”

Nice job and confirmation that food stamp programs should be severely curtailed or distributed on a “X amount of stamps per pound of body weight”. Those exceeding their BMI scores are only given the amount needed for a healthy person of same size/weight.

Lets put those food stamp fatties on a diet.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 18th, 2012
3:24 pm

Dusty- They had an economy in Chicago but it died too.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
3:26 pm

JDW, you DO realize that was an amendment to another amendment, don’t you?

Of course you didn’t.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
3:29 pm

JDW

I’m afraid Kyle will take my 64 oz soda away if we go much farther with this. That is your opinion and your figures, I agree with the author. Anything to do with numbers and I am cynical from the jump. Figures lie and liars figure, as they say. All I know, is obviously Rep and most independents agree with the author that he is a big spender par excellence, Dems will defend him to the better end it seems.

Gotta go get me a glass of sweet tea, boy I love that stuff. Thanks Finn. All sugar and no substitutes, strong and sweet, condensation running down the glass; it is good to me.

RC--apoi

June 18th, 2012
3:32 pm

“The mystery is why they pass the 2 liter drinks on sale for $1.39. Seems they could buy the 2 liter and some cups and come out way ahead.”

My guess is they are too lazy, too stupid or both.

Then there’s the people that buy the super-size burger combo so they can get a large drink. I reckon they don’t notice that the soft drinks are self-serve and they could get a refill 20 times if they want to by using the regular-size drink cup. You want stupid? Now that’s stupid. Or maybe they’re too lazy to get up and refill their cup.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

June 18th, 2012
3:33 pm

Why can’t liberals mind their own business?

It’s not as if large sugary sodas kill unborn children.

Thulsa Doom

June 18th, 2012
3:36 pm

sfd,

Congrefscritters. I like that one even better.

Aquagirl,

I would steal congresscritters from you except the congrefscritters sounds even better. And they both lampoon both the Rs and the Ds which is what I like best.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
3:38 pm

It’s not as if large sugary sodas kill unborn children.

Maybe if they did, health insurance would cover them and they would not be restricted.

Thulsa Doom

June 18th, 2012
3:38 pm

Lil Larry,

You laid it on em with that one about sugary killing unborn children.

B

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Dusty

June 18th, 2012
3:40 pm

JDW 3:11

Since you are making MONEY from BIG BUSINESS and they have been “scarfing” up tax money, you should show your objections by not working with BIG BUSINESS. That’s it! Or…refund the government with your profits from working with BIG BUSINESS..

Take a stand. That’ll show ‘em.

No mo BIG BUSINESS! Just penny-anti stuff. Go fer it!!

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
3:40 pm

“Why can’t liberals mind their own business?”

Liberals do not have a corner on the control market, LBB.

Just sayin’! :)

Liz

June 18th, 2012
3:42 pm

Pardon me, I believe the ultra technical medical term is “Transvaginal ultrasound”.

In it march to harass and humiliate women the GOP went too far in Virginia. Even so, disturbingly the GOP has managed to get most states to pass laws passed that require women to get ultrasounds and counseling before an abortion (with few exceptions).

It doesn’t play very well with women, of either party

AmVet

June 18th, 2012
3:44 pm

If I was a member of a political party that was getting ready to nominate the Holy Father of Socialized Medicine, an effete, northeastern, severely liberal RINO and someone who flip flops so much that he makes John Kerry look like the Rock of Gibraltar, I’d be talking about some nonsense like this too.

LOL!

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
3:50 pm

“If I was a member of a political party that was getting ready to nominate the Holy Father of Socialized Medicine, an effete, northeastern, severely liberal RINO and someone who flip flops so much that he makes John Kerry look like the Rock of Gibraltar, I’d be talking about some nonsense like this too.”

This from a guy who admits to voting for Ralph Nader.

Too funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
3:53 pm

Liz,

Do you have a comment on the subject de jour? Try that sometimes.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

June 18th, 2012
3:53 pm

If sugary sodas killed the unborn, libtards would be fighting each other to be a named co-sponsor of the bill to have taxpayers buy them for the moocher class.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
3:54 pm

If I was a member of a political party that was getting ready to

Earth to Amvet, YOU are not. I get tired of Dems telling Reps what to do and vice versa. Here is how it works.

You guys nominate whomever or whatever you like, you vote for your guy/gal, and we will do the same. The people vote and then you will know, what the majority think.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
4:02 pm

AmVet would rather cling to the bosom of a man who has made a career out of one single, solitary issue in 1965.

And has done nothing of significance since.

AmVet

June 18th, 2012
4:05 pm

YOU are not.

Thank all the deities everywhere.

Throwing up in my mouth a bit at the prospect of being a neocon is bad enough, thank you very little!

Granted unlike you hater, Ralph Nader is not one of the 100 most influential people of the last century.

Not everyone can be a humanitarian, and the champion of the American consumer and our environment like you.

AmVet

June 18th, 2012
4:07 pm

And has done nothing of significance since.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Your astounding, self-imposed ignorance will never be confused with the reality, hater. Except for the equally naive sheep that you flock with!

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
4:09 pm

Ralph Nader is a considerably less influential champion of the American consumer than Clark Howard is, AmVet.

And I wouldn’t vote for Clark, either. :lol:

carlosgvv

June 18th, 2012
4:10 pm

Barry – 3:53

If sugary sodas killed the unborn, cons would be marching around soda plants with signs condeming the owners as “baby killers”, crazed snipers would be killing the CEO’s of these soda companies in their homes and the Catholics and Babtists would be condemning them as “evil sinners”. Cons want the Govt. out of our private lives except when they don’t.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
4:13 pm

Well, if you consider getting your mug on TV at the drop of a hat a significant achievement, AmVet, then Ralph Nader is highly successful.

Of course, running for President in 2000 and delivering Florida to GWB might just be considered the true crowning achievement of Nader’s career as well.

But then, you have such low standards for your heroes, don’t you?

md

June 18th, 2012
4:14 pm

“it is almost as bad as vaginal wand ultrasounds GOP craze required because women are also presumed to be too stupid to make decisions about their bodies.”

As if an equation that involves 3 equates to an equation that involves 1…….

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
4:16 pm

Not safe at any speed. Corvair forerunner of the Chevy Volt.

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
4:17 pm

AmVet, 3:44

Go play a tune at Bookman’s. They will help you run down Republicans and give you the joy you need so badly. So long…..

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
4:18 pm

How did we ever get rid of the Chevy Volt, without Ralph Nadar?

AmVet

June 18th, 2012
4:21 pm

Ralph Nader is a considerably less influential champion of the American consumer than Clark Howard is.

This is the magnitude of emotionally based, knee-jerk ignorance and willful stupidity that I speak of.

Hater, even Gore himself said that Nader had nothing to do with losing the election. And I suspect that he knows more about it than some blogging flunky.

I just show up here from time to time you see if what I post here will cause you to go apoplectic.

Mission Accomplished. As always, I own you.

Do come over to Bookman’s sometimes, OK?

Huge LOL…

Thulsa Doom

June 18th, 2012
4:21 pm

” crazed snipers would be killing the CEO’s of these soda companies in their homes”

Yep. Happens all the time.

Liz

June 18th, 2012
4:28 pm

Dusty,

Loss of freedom and liberty is the tie-in.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
4:31 pm

AmVet, Gore certainly knows nothing about basic arithmetic skills, as anyone with a working brain knows that the votes that Ralph Nader received in Florida were greater than the winning margin by far.

In fact, the votes Nader received (and let’s face it, those were liberal votes), exceeded the total of all other third party candidates by about 60,000, meaning that even if all of Buchanan’s and Browne’s votes went to Bush, Gore STILL would have won handily if Nader wasn’t in the race.

Using Al Gore as your election analyst is about as effective as using government-paid “scientists” to make the case for man-made global warming.

md

June 18th, 2012
4:32 pm

“It doesn’t play very well with women, of either party”

I bet it would play real well with those that get snuffed out…..if they were here to be played to.

md

June 18th, 2012
4:35 pm

Enter your comments here

1961_Xer

June 18th, 2012
4:49 pm

Oh, did you bitch slap Chuck Grassley into the Democratic party? Or Terry Branstad? Because that didn’t make the papers.

Your sad fantasies of bitch slapping women are just that—fantasies. You’re gonna have to step it up if you want to join conservative heroes like Bob McDonnell.

So the lesson is: when you are wrong and the facts speak against the point that you so vehemently continue to make through multiple blogs and issues (even though a simple Google search will show you to be wrong)… attack the opposing voices rather than argue the issue or (Diety forbid) admit that you are wrong. Or maybe Aquagirl can’t do a Google search?

JDW

June 18th, 2012
5:05 pm

@Dusty…”you should show your objections by not working with BIG BUSINESS.”

Thanks for the advice. I think I will just keep trying to educate those that prefer to throw their money away on such nonsense.

MrLiberty

June 18th, 2012
5:06 pm

Will fail how? It has done all that it needs to. It has shown the sheeple that the government will violate whatever rights, whatever freedoms and take away whatever liberties it wants and the people will do NOTHING. 100 years ago this clown would likely have been tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a subway. Now, blind subservience. Likely this jerk will even get reelected. Let us hope that when the straw finally does break the camel’s back the response is loud and succeeds in taking back our country.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
5:10 pm

Roger Clemens not guilty on all six charges. From the AP: “After eight weeks, 46 witnesses, two dozing jurors and an estimated $2-3 million spent in taxpayer money, the Roger Clemens trial is finally over.

The verdict: Not guilty on three counts of making false statements, not guilty on two counts of perjury and not guilty on one count of obstruction. The charges stemmed from testimony that Clemens made in Feb. 2008, telling a Congressional committee that he had never taken steroids or HGH.”

Can Obama’s Justice Dept. now get on to more substantive measures, like keeping the AG from contempt of Congress charges?

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
5:13 pm

Liz,

I don’t know what country you live in but I am an American woman and I have lost none of my freedom or my liberty. In fact, I find no hinderances to the choices I want to make about my personal life.

Too bad that you do not find such freedom and keep “sounding off” with what sounds like the motto of an organiation, not your own study of such things. Referring to a woman’s anatomy in the midst of a discussion on sugary drinks seems more like the proverbial brainwashing .

I hope you learn to think for yourself instead of being a follower. Independent women do think for themselves.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
5:17 pm

I don’t keep up with every legal issue, but has the Oblamer regime or Eric Holder in specific, won any legal case?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
5:29 pm

Don’t think so, Rafe.

In addition, they give up on the ones they have won, like the voter intimidation case in Philly.

Incompetents, one and all.

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
5:41 pm

Since I just drink water (And not from them high dollar plastic bottles) and a little juice now and then, I’m glad I don’t have to spend any time fritterin’ about all this.

md

June 18th, 2012
5:46 pm

These are just baby steps HD……sooner or later they’ll come after something dear to you and yours and then it’ll be too late……their foot is already in the door.

It is basically the entire argument behind the SC questions on the hc bill……where will they draw the line?

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)

June 18th, 2012
5:52 pm

carlosgvv: Cons want the Govt. out of our private lives except when they don’t.
————————–

…and libtards want the government IN our private lives except those rare occasions when they don’t.

I’ll take the former. It’s a lot less dangerous and enslaving.

getalife

June 18th, 2012
6:05 pm

He is lil brother.

You cons are okay with peeing in a cup and happily handing it to government so you should be okay with this.

Aquagirl

June 18th, 2012
6:12 pm

(even though a simple Google search will show you to be wrong)

I’m not the only one pointing out those corn-fed states have Republican legislators and Governors. So one of us needs help with google, and it’s not me.

You can always call the League of Women Voters if that google thingy is too confusing. Or perhaps you’re confused that states with Republican Governors can award electoral votes to a Democrat in a presidential election. In that case your problem is Obama Derangement Syndrome, and regaining rational thought processes will be quite a challenge. If you ever had them in the first place.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 18th, 2012
6:16 pm

You cons are okay with peeing in a cup and happily handing it to government so you should be okay with this.

Aww wittle getaclue don’t like peein in a cup? Ohh, what’s the matter..having a hard time finding an employer??

dabir dalton

June 18th, 2012
6:23 pm

Once again Kyle paints the kettle black by ignoring the nanny state conservatives have built with their failed war on drugs – a war that has damaged and limited our freedoms while conservatives have tried without success to enforce by law their views on what we may or may not ingest.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
6:24 pm

Hillbilly D

Do you drink that branch water straight or add some flavoring, aka corn squeezings?

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
6:38 pm

dabir

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obamas-drug-czar-stumps-for-third-way-policy/

If you read the article, the drug legalization crowd are not real happy with this guy either. Obama’s drug czar is against legalizing marijuana, whoda thunk it? I guess Oblamer is a conservative, since he has a drug czar and continues the war on drugs.

BTW, this is one conservative who doesn’t care what you take or how you live your life or give up your life, just don’t endanger or impoverish your family nor your friends and expect the taxpayers to pick up your obligations.

md

June 18th, 2012
6:41 pm

“You cons are okay with peeing in a cup and happily handing it to government so you should be okay with this.”

Yep…….if it is required to keep a job where the income is taxed, it’s only logical that to be a beneficiary of that same tax one also be tested……..

md

June 18th, 2012
6:43 pm

“BTW, this is one conservative who doesn’t care what you take or how you live your life or give up your life, just don’t endanger or impoverish your family nor your friends and expect the taxpayers to pick up your obligations.”

And there in lies the difference……I also have no problem with choices…..if one wants to screw up their lives with drugs, by all means do so…..just don’t go running to others when the crap hits the fan.

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
6:44 pm

Rafe

That died out 40 years ago. Most folks are too lazy now; they can just drive to the store. :lol:

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
6:46 pm

dabir dalton, what you are engaging in is called a deflection.

I suggest you either make an argument against Kyle’s in support of Bloomberg’s, or not. However, pointing out something completely unrelated to the subject merely shows us you have no argument against Kyle’s, or are too embarrassed to voice your support for Bloomberg’s.

Bruno

June 18th, 2012
7:10 pm

For Hillbilly Deluxe. We still miss you over at Bookman’s Blog. All the best to you. In case you didn’t hear, I may be getting married next year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw1bHaUk1CM

Bruno

June 18th, 2012
7:12 pm

md–Miss you too. Keep up the good work trying to make sense to the Libs. ;-)

Bruno

June 18th, 2012
7:16 pm

Always better to look forward, but hard not to look back sometimes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdZbNSHy_NA&feature=related

Thulsa Doom

June 18th, 2012
7:22 pm

Bruno,

I’m over here a lot more myself. Not for the faint of heart liberal. Libs take some pretty good beatings over here.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
7:25 pm

We regularly beat up on AmVet and send him back to you guys a broken man. :D

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)

June 18th, 2012
7:27 pm

dabir dalton: Once again Kyle paints the kettle black by ignoring the nanny state conservatives have built with their failed war on drugs
————-

News flash–conservatives haven’t been running the executive branch going on four years now. If you have a problem with the failed war on drugs, you might take it up with the folks prosecuting it–Obozo and Holder.

Bruno

June 18th, 2012
7:39 pm

We regularly beat up on AmVet and send him back to you guys a broken man.

I think JamMan remains unbroken, DR.

You ought to come back by on Bookman’s once in a while. I doubt if you are banned forever. If so, I’ll try to pull a few strings for you and get you reinstated. I think Jay kind of likes me even though I give him heck.

I’m really pissed that Jay banned moonbat betty, though.

Liz

June 18th, 2012
7:40 pm

Dusty,
You don’t know me, and the conclusions you reached about me are totally incorrect. As a free women, I don’t want any regulations in the way of my very personal decisions. And,I certainly don’t want to be subjected to any regulation that keeps me from exercising my legal rights, for purpose of harassing or trying to control me. A Nanny government, whether it leans to the right or left, is wrong. Don’t assume I an a Democrat, because you would be wrong. Don’t assume I am Republican, just because I think Bloomberg is wrong thinking (on guns,soda, …). I have been an campaign insider for Democrats and Republicans. I am an old independent women, who has fiercely fought for hard earned rights (still at it). I was educated at a very conservative college in this country. Blessed to have been born and raised in this country. You are probably standing on my shoulders, and those of my peers. I hope you do the same for those coming behind you. Here is a tip: Insults and name calling are not necessary, and will turn people off to your messaging. A respected women is more likely to be heard. Good luck.

Bruno

June 18th, 2012
7:42 pm

I’m over here a lot more myself. Not for the faint of heart liberal. Libs take some pretty good beatings over here.

I’d spend a little more time here myself, TD, since Kyle’s quality of writing deserves an audience. However, I hate preaching to the choir. Much more fun to argue with the unenlightened. ;-)

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
7:43 pm

LBB, the war on drugs was lost years ago through both Republican and Democrat administrations.

It is one of the only truly bi-partisan efforts in American politics, and proves that the policy is a lost cause no matter who is in charge.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
7:47 pm

Bruno, AmVet may spout his nonsense unmolested over there, but he gets hammered over here. And thanks for the offer, but I’m very comfortable over here. Kyle is refreshingly honest – something lacking in the host over there – and I prefer his informed insight to the mess that is generated over there.

And don;t worry about preaching to the choir over here. What we lack in nonsensical liberal quantity, we make up for in quality with folks like MarkV, JDW and Finn McCool, to name a few.

saywhat?

June 18th, 2012
7:54 pm

Dusty

June 18th, 2012
5:13 pm
“Liz,

I don’t know what country you live in but I am an American woman and I have lost none of my freedom or my liberty. In fact, I find no hinderances to the choices I want to make about my personal life.

Too bad that you do not find such freedom and keep “sounding off” with what sounds like the motto of an organiation, not your own study of such things. Referring to a woman’s anatomy in the midst of a discussion on sugary drinks seems more like the proverbial brainwashing .

I hope you learn to think for yourself instead of being a follower. Independent women do think for themselves.”
______________________________________________________________
So I guess Dusty was lying all the times she accused Obama of taking away her freedoms. Big surprise.

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
8:14 pm

I wonder what in the world Moonbat Betty did to bring down a Fatwa on her head.

Josef probably won’t see this but I believe he’d get a kick out of it, if he does.

http://www.donalsonvillenews.com/archives/1265-Swamp-People-speaks-my-language.html

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
8:23 pm

Just saw Bruno’s comment. Congrats to you if your might be turns into a is gonna be. ;-)

ragnar danneskjold

June 18th, 2012
9:09 pm

The Nanny Staters always fail at everything they do. That does not mean they do not inflict misery on the normal people.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 18th, 2012
9:11 pm

So maybe we got the whole soda ban thing misunderestimated-

Bloomberg Overheard Saying Romney Would Be Better at Running Country than Obama…

This guy’s smarter than he seems.

AmVet

June 18th, 2012
9:23 pm

We regularly beat up on AmVet and send him back to you guys a broken man.

We?

Yep and the sun revolves around the earth.

Though I do like how the oft-banished one with the uncivil mouth has placed himself in some sort of demented potion of authority here. Apparently with unspecified numbers of minions.

Too funny…

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
9:27 pm

Come back after leaning how to count, AmVet?

Or are you still limited to 20 1/2 digits you possess?

Maybe now you can tell us how 97,000 Florida votes for Ralph Nader didn’t cost Gore the Florida election won by Bush by less than 1,000 votes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

md

June 18th, 2012
9:28 pm

Do I need to post the “simplistic tripe” chart again Am or did you get it last time??

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
9:37 pm

Hillbilly

I thought the shine business was passe also, until I got hooked on that Moonshiners reality show on I believe it was Discovery channel last year. Obviously, it was staged as the moonshiner never got caught, even though he was a county fireman and his picture was on TV every episode. Apparently, if there is any truth to the show, the State of VA still has revenue men and they still chase shiners. They were flashing weapons, wearing night vision goggles, and arresting people. I learned a lot about how it was made and sold and found it interesting. Apparently there are some folks that have a taste for it and will pay a premium for shine vs driving to the store.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 18th, 2012
9:50 pm

md, simplistic tripe is still too advanced for AmVet.

Bring it down to moronic tripe and he might have a chance to understand it. :D

Love me some Reagan

June 18th, 2012
9:51 pm

Rafe

“Rumor” has it that it can “still” be found in North Ga and in North Carolina………….. At least that is what I have been told

;-)

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
9:51 pm

Rafe

I don’t know about VA but it’s long dead here. I watched that show you’re talking about once and there’s a lot of things in it that I find laughable. The last case I know made around here was several years ago and the guy wasn’t even selling it just making a little for himself, mainly a nostalgia thing. There are a few places now that are making it legally. Not sure how much success they are having, so far.

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
9:52 pm

“Rumor” has it that it can “still” be found in North Ga

Let’s just say if I found any, I’d be afraid to drink it. Anybody I would’ve trusted died a long time ago.

@@

June 18th, 2012
9:52 pm

It won’t be Bloomberg doing the heavy lifting, will it?

schnirt

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)

June 18th, 2012
9:53 pm

Coupla nice at bats there, Braves.

Love me some Reagan

June 18th, 2012
9:55 pm

Hillbilly

I hear it is pretty good……… Have to know the right people, which was always the case, but as you say, you better know them well………

They say the muscadine shine is pretty tasty. Peach isn’t bad but they say the muscadine is oh so smooth

;-)

Tundra Dude

June 18th, 2012
9:58 pm

The Nanny Staters always fail at everything they do.

Lots of fellow cons would disagree.

The Conservative Nanny State: How the Wealthy Use the Government to Stay Rich and Get Richer

http://bit.ly/qld7YN

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
9:59 pm

Reagan

You talking about muscadine wine? I’ve never heard of anybody making liquor out of it (not saying that nobody has). I had some relatives that were well known for their peach brandy.

None of it should burn you, though. My Grandpa always said if you couldn’t drink corn liquor like water, you need to pour it out ’cause it ain’t worth a damn. He was an old timer, though, he didn’t believe in sugar liquor.

@@

June 18th, 2012
10:04 pm

Men are wearing their Moonshine nowadays.

Smells like gin and leather!!??!! Gin smells like pine to me…so make that pine and leather.

erp

Love me some Reagan

June 18th, 2012
10:04 pm

Hillbilly

The muscadine is shine. Yes there is the wine, but there is a shine as well. I ‘heard” about it last fall when I went to a wedding.

The peach “flavor” of course is just a peach in the corn liquor.

md

June 18th, 2012
10:06 pm

“Coupla nice at bats there, Braves.”

Did you mean “coupla nice bats”?…..they must be nice and new since they apparently aren’t getting used much.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

June 18th, 2012
10:12 pm

The guy on the show made shine out of bananas, never knew that possible, so I guess muscadines would work also.

Hillbilly D

June 18th, 2012
10:32 pm

Rafe

You can make liquor out of anything that has sugar in it. Of course, I never would’ve thought of bananas, either. But then I never could understand Elvis and his fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Maybe it was a regional thing. :lol:

Question Man

June 18th, 2012
11:33 pm

Kyle: Are you saying that because Bloomberg’s chosen legislative remedy is ineffective, all legislative efforts in this area are doomed to be equally ineffective?

JohnnyReb

June 19th, 2012
7:22 am

Bloomberg is an idiot of the highest order. I object to his existence.

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
7:35 am

Bloomberg is an idiot of the highest order

I believe this is where I’m supposed to point out how he’s totally a genius because he’s made all that money. For my follow-up, I’m to ask you why you’re so jealous of Bloomberg. Then I’ll ask why you hate our freedoms.

(Not that I think the comments pages here get formulaic or anything.)

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

June 19th, 2012
7:36 am

Effective or not, such decrees diminish individual freedom.

Mind your own business, liberal fascists.

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
7:42 am

Now with Ten Percent Fewer Calories

June 19th, 2012
7:44 am

Implementation of a health insurance mandate would necessarily lead to the imposition of increased regulation on the profitable sindustries, alcohol, sugar and tobacco, amongst others, in the U.S. over time in order to reduce runaway health insurance premiums and that will never be allowed by the monied promoters of all things most profitable.

Dip your candy cigarette in that and smoke it.

How Inciteful Is That!

June 19th, 2012
7:48 am

I come here for the thought-provoking blogger commentaries too.

I think I made a funny.

nelson

June 19th, 2012
7:54 am

Yes, indeed, nanny-statism is driving politics in N.Y. Now, Chuck Schumer[d-senator in congress] wants greek yougurt in the schools. I like it myself, however it is a decision that should be left to the individual.
Having said all of the above, it could help Greece with their debt crisis, increase their exports to the U.S., bring capital into their country.
Greece is one country I do not know much about. Learning self reliance and thinking for onesself is not facilitated by nanny-statism. Rugged individualism, return to the puposefullness of the lone star state.

JohnnyReb

June 19th, 2012
7:56 am

Dear stands – making money and governing properly don’t go hand in hand. I’m not jealous of Bloomberg. I just shake my head there are so many fools in NY city that continue to put him in office. It’s the same affliction suffered by Atlanta and Fulton County. The next one is puzzling, because Bloomberg is anti-freedom. I dont think one can be for liberty and also for Bloomberg.

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
8:02 am

Cute, nelson.

ok, if anyone’s actually interested in what Schumer is advocating…

http://online.wsj.com/article/AP4246bcf1bc34415084a04c4369c122b7.html

Sure, one can probably assume his advocacy is based on solely a desire to help out a couple of local (NY State) businesses. But I’d like to hear anyone tell me why this type of yogurt, which has a much higher protein:carb ratio than ordinary yogurt, shouldn’t be recognized as a high protein food source by the dept. of Agriculture.

Can someone give me a good reason why it shouldn’t?

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
8:03 am

Whoever namejacked @@ ought to get a life. Jeez.

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
8:06 am

I’m not jealous of Bloomberg.

Oh, I know. Just having a go at the comments formula, not at the specifics of your statement. (And I know the word “idiot” was hyperbole; obviously he’s quite functional and probably can even dress himself.) That said…

I dont think one can be for liberty and also for Bloomberg.

you’re not really basing this broad-brush statement on this one proposal by this mayor, are you? You’ve got another example or three to cite, yes?

carlosgvv

June 19th, 2012
8:11 am

Barry – 8:05

I think the school bell just rang. Time for your first 8th grade summer school class to start.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 19th, 2012
8:51 am

I’m just curious, I can make an off topic comment and get scolded for it within five minutes, how does all this filth^^ stay up there for hours?

JohnnyReb

June 19th, 2012
8:51 am

stands – of course I have other examples of Bloombery folly, and one goes bang.

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
8:55 am

and one goes bang.

if by some chance you mean his stance on gun control, he’d be a pretty lousy mayor if he didn’t advocate positions a clear majority of his constituents favor.

Aquagirl

June 19th, 2012
9:11 am

I’m just curious, I can make an off topic comment and get scolded for it within five minutes

Timing is everything in life. I’m sure when daddy gets home those posts will be gone.

But I’m just curious why someone who treats this place like a verbal toilet even cares. Bitter you can’t spew about Michelle Obama’s @$$ in even greater detail and get away with it?

iggy

June 19th, 2012
9:14 am

Screw the Greeks and their smelly yogurt.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 19th, 2012
9:21 am

You can always spot a slobbering liberal, they’ll be the ones defending the profane by pointing out the trivial.

Either that or they are worshiping michelle obozo’s caboose.

Take your pick.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 19th, 2012
9:27 am

Ever notice how you can say the most heinous and treasonous things imaginable against the United States of America and they solicit not a peep from any nearby liberals?

However, make a comment about the gigantic proportions of mrs. obozo’s posterior and the same liberals go all colonial on you?

Don’t tread on her!

I regret that I have but one life to give for my first ladies rump!

The a$$ slanderers are coming! The a$$ slanderers are coming!

Dusty

June 19th, 2012
10:17 am

ATTENTION: Miss Manners has just called. She is having an emergency session on “Polite & Pleasing Pleasantries for Perplexing Personalities in Perilous Places!” or “Better Insults for Better Times”

Come one. Come all. Get a lift! Miss Manners will be serving sugary 32 oz soft drinks..

1961_Xer

June 19th, 2012
10:32 am

Once again Kyle paints the kettle black by ignoring the nanny state conservatives have built with their failed war on drugs

Sorry , but since the “war on drugs” officially began (George HW Bush), we have had 12 years of Republicans in the WH, and 12 years of Democrats, and ALL have prosecuted the “war on drugs”. In fact, the Democrats were the ONLY party of have a near bulletproof majority in all of House, Senate and WH, and they failed to act. If any party is more responsible than the other for perpetuating this foolishness, it is the Democrats. But, at the federal level, both parties have eagerly accepted the power that comes with prosecuting the war on drugs, and both are at fault.

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
10:33 am

mrs. obozo’s posterior

“You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel.”

Ring any bells?

Don't Tread

June 19th, 2012
10:38 am

“he’d be a pretty lousy mayor if he didn’t advocate positions a clear majority of his constituents favor”

He’d be [is] a pretty lousy mayor if he didn’t adhere to the Constitution. Under that standard, he should be pushing for repeal of the Sullivan law, or pulling an 0bama and refusing to enforce it. But no, adhering to the Constitution is just not in the liberal playbook. In fact, he adds this “stop and frisk” BS to the mix. Imagine if Kasim Reed were to implement such a thing…he’d be removed from office so fast his head would spin.

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
10:52 am

he should be pushing for repeal of the Sullivan law

Oh, ok. Thanks for reminding me of the “Local control/states rights for me, but not for thee” ethos of the modern Teaper, Don’t Tread. It had slipped my mind, earlier.

/drive-by

iggy

June 19th, 2012
10:53 am

Kasim Reed? LMAO…yet anotther of Andy Youngs incompetent protege’s

ND

June 19th, 2012
11:11 am

Oh yeah, let’s all get bent out of shape over the relatively irrelevant sugary drink ban and continue to ignore the blatant constitutional violations Bloomberg endorses through his stop and frisk program.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 19th, 2012
11:13 am

stands, what you’re deflecting from isn’t a state’s rights / local control issue, but one of limited government according to the U.S. Constitution.

Just because a local entity decides they wish to enact something doesn’t automatically make it the right thing to do if it violates the above principle.

Jill

June 19th, 2012
11:16 am

Enter your comments here

@@

June 19th, 2012
11:21 am

His moves “fit a disturbing pattern of expansion of executive power,” constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley, who usually sides with progressive ideals, tells Politico. “This is a President who is now functioning as a super legislator” who is “effectively negating parts of the criminal code because he disagrees with them. That does go beyond the pale.”

One would think, but then Obama DOESN’T think when he’s in full campaign mode, which is always.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0616/Obama-immigration-order-Does-audacity-of-hope-mean-unchecked-presidential-power/(page)/2

md

June 19th, 2012
11:25 am

Obama must be using the old union tactic of clogging up the system to delay the inevitable…….sending case after case to the SC will surely keep them busy for awhile…..keeps them out of Hawaii I guess.

md

June 19th, 2012
11:32 am

As greece struggles with the only options they have left…..austerity and austerity……might not be too long before we cross that line. I guess the good side of it all would be the fact that crises have a way of hitting the reset button on priorities and work ethic……the ultimate survival of the fittest may well be on the way if we continue at 1+T every year.

JohnnyReb

June 19th, 2012
11:50 am

stands – so you believe a majority of residents within Bloomberg’s control want gun control? I doubt it. Even if they do, there is one little obstacle that keeps getting in the way, thank heaven.

Don't Tread

June 19th, 2012
11:56 am

“Liberals” and “limited government” don’t mix very well…

stands for decibels

June 19th, 2012
12:40 pm

so you believe a majority of residents within Bloomberg’s control want gun control? I doubt it.

Guy keeps getting re-elected. I can’t recall ever reading a single news story out of NYC where this was a serious bone of contention with his constituency.

headin’ upstairs.

kit Carson Hamm

June 21st, 2012
5:35 pm

Is not the sugary drink because peoples are too fat and lazy and that’s the truth.