New poll: T-SPLOST trails by 15 points

Whatever you think of the odds of the T-SPLOST passing, there’s an opinion poll that says you’re right.

On May 21, Channel 2 Action News reported a poll by Rosetta Stone showing 42 percent for, 45 percent against and 13 percent undecided.

A day later, the group advocating passage of the tax touted a poll of its own indicating — surprise, surprise — the tax is sailing toward passage: 51 percent for, 36 percent against and 13 percent undecided.

If you thought those two results were incompatible, get a load of a new poll out today and reported by Fox 5 Atlanta:

A new InsiderAdvantage polls shows that most people oppose the penny sales tax referendum, with 47 percent saying they plan to vote against it, 32 percent said they are in favor of it and 21 percent remaining undecided.

So, it’s either 32 percent, 42 percent or 51 percent for the T-SPLOST; either 36 percent, 45 percent or 47 percent against it; and anywhere from 13 percent to 21 percent undecided. Only the Rosetta Stone poll’s cross-tabs and margin of error are available.

If I had to guess, I’d say the Rosetta Stone poll’s splits — 42 to 45 with a lot of undecideds, which is within the margin of error — sound most likely to be correct. The in-house poll for the advocates sounds the most off-base; given that they originally thought they needed to move the vote to November to get a larger Democratic-leaning/pro-tax electorate, I find it hard to believe they’d have a majority today with so many still undecided.

Any guesses as to how it’ll pan out?

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)

June 13th, 2012
6:32 pm

Best news I’ve heard today.

td

June 13th, 2012
6:42 pm

It all depends on turnout. Which ever side of the argument can get their supporters to the polls during summer break to vote will win. I am planning on voting NO.

Becky

June 13th, 2012
6:49 pm

Three words-400 toll road

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 13th, 2012
7:48 pm

The O-bimbos are skewing the poll results, again.

@@

June 13th, 2012
8:12 pm

All within the margin of error.

About the previous topic. Whatever happened with this.

ATLANTA — The state’s ethics commission unveiled a plan Friday to overhaul the way it operates.

Commissioners said they want to contract with a private attorney to handle regulatory and compliance questions from candidates, officials and the public. The commission also would hire a second auditor and the two would handle complaints and investigations, with legal help from the state attorney general’s office.–GPB News

Seems like a better alternative to in-house as far as I’m concerned.

@@

June 13th, 2012
8:14 pm

Oops!

All within the margin of error.

schnirt

Don't Tread

June 13th, 2012
8:30 pm

I don’t care what the polls say…still voting NO. I suppose polls are about as unbiased as “news stories” these days.

Hillbilly D

June 13th, 2012
8:47 pm

Some folks sure are spending a ton of money to try to get this thing passed. You’d thing they had something to gain by it. ;-)

Hillbilly D

June 13th, 2012
8:47 pm

*You’d think, that should say.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

June 13th, 2012
8:55 pm

This one of obozo’s “great” achievements-

Instead, President Obama gave over $26 billion to the UAW—more money than the U.S spent on foreign aid last year and 50% more than NASA’s budget. None of that money kept factories running. Instead it sustained the above-average compensation of members of an influential union, sparing them from most of the sacrifices typically made in bankruptcy.

Of course GM is still alive, you bought them.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 13th, 2012
8:56 pm

Heard there’s a push poll being taken this week from a New York area code trying to drum up support for this.

Eric

June 13th, 2012
9:07 pm

No matter what, I’m voting no, voting no, voting NO NO NO.

Mike

June 13th, 2012
9:36 pm

May I ask why some of you are voting no and can you please tell us your ideas/suggestions for fixing Atlanta’s transportation issues??? Also, do you believe our transportation issues/traffic congestion negatively affects our areas ability to attract and retain jobs?

WPT

June 13th, 2012
9:43 pm

Can’t help but to wonder how all of you screaming about the national debt and what it means to your kids and grand kids can be so opposed to a measure that will lead to future growth and opportunity for the region. This translates into jobs for your kids and grand kids. Why don’t you take time to learn more regarding what projects these $’s will go toward. Pretty good chance you are delayed on a daily basis somewhere that will be untied by passage of this.

Dusty

June 13th, 2012
9:43 pm

Anybody voting for T-Splost

Has got the hots

For tax increases

And other malfeances.

L:ike Eric said NO NO NO.

And we mean forevermo!

td

June 13th, 2012
9:43 pm

Mike

June 13th, 2012
9:36 pm

Where is the major traffic congestion in metro Atlanta? Please take a look at the projects and come back and tell us if the list is going to address the major problems.

mountain man

June 13th, 2012
9:55 pm

I agree with Becky – remember Ga 400 Toll!

Mike

June 13th, 2012
9:55 pm

Piedmont Road in Buckhead is horrible, and it will be widened from Lindbergh to Sandy Springs and Bus Rapid Transit will be added to the corridor… the 285/85 interchange (aka Spaghetti Junction) is usually pretty bad and some of the ramps will and merges will be rebuilt, it will fund a new interchange for 400/285 which is another bottleneck and it will widen 400 by adding sorting lanes near 285 in Sandy Springs, the 20/285 interchange on the westside which causes backups on 285 will be rebuilt, it also rebuilds the 75/Windy Hill interchange which is also pretty congested and it will make the Windy Hill/Cobb Parkway intersection into a freeway style interchange, it will build a rail line through the Emory CDC area connecting to MARTA on both ends – this area is very congested and it will provide people with an alternative to driving, it will convert several intersections on 316 in Gwinnett County to freeway style interchanges, it will extend Sugarloaf Parkway in Gwinnett County to past I-85 to provide more alternatives for inner county traffic, it will pay to synchronize lights throughout the city of Atlanta which helps with traffic flow, it rebuilds several intersections on Cobb Parkway… these are some of the major projects off the top of my head that would certainly help address some major problems.

You still haven’t answered my question though… you just asked me a question instead, which I just answered for you above. So please, will some of you explain your reasoning and if you think congestion in our area negatively affects job growth/our local economy??

mountain man

June 13th, 2012
9:57 pm

“can you please tell us your ideas/suggestions for fixing Atlanta’s transportation issues”

move the jobs (businesses) out to the suburbs where people want to live. Let the city of Atlanta die in its own ghettoes.

Hillbilly D

June 13th, 2012
9:58 pm

Forty years ago, Metro Atlanta had a lot less traffic, a lot less people and a lot less jobs. All the wide open growth was in the name of jobs. So here we are 40 years later, there’s a lot more people, a lot more traffic, real wages have been flat in the U. S. for 40 years, taxes are higher, the cost of living is higher, there’s a larger number of jobs but the increase in people accounted for that, traffic is worse and everything is paved over. The unemployment rate is higher now than it was 40 years ago. So what did you gain?

td

June 13th, 2012
10:19 pm

Hillbilly D

June 13th, 2012
9:58 pm

Very well said. I would just like to add one more point. We do not have the water in metro Atlanta to sustain more growth. If we fix all these roads then more people will move in at a faster clip and when we have the next drought we will not have the water for everyone.

Hillbilly D

June 13th, 2012
10:22 pm

td

I agree with you but their solution for that will be to come out into the rest of the state and take land away from people to build reservoirs for them. It’s a certain mindset that sees Atlanta as the center of the Universe.

Mike

June 13th, 2012
10:51 pm

Wow, you people really are a bunch of hillbillies.

Spartacus

June 13th, 2012
10:56 pm

Excellent summation Hillibilly…..we have enough Yankees here already. If we make it even more desirable to live here. we’ll just be another Miami….

Six million in metro Atlanta….do we really want to be 9, 10, 11 million???

yuzeyurbrane

June 13th, 2012
10:56 pm

Insider Advantage has an excellent track record for Georgia elections and its polling comports with my gut instincts which I like to think are pretty good.

Spartacus

June 13th, 2012
10:56 pm

@Mike….yup…and damn proud too!!

Hillbilly D

June 13th, 2012
11:03 pm

I wonder where Mike was 40 years ago.

dc

June 13th, 2012
11:08 pm

yeah….I want to give a bunch of folks in another county control over my tax money….NOT

Mike

June 13th, 2012
11:21 pm

If a place doesn’t grow, it stagnates and dies. Is that what you prefer??

I just don’t get it… why do you hillbillies live in the 9th largest metro area? If it’s too big for you and Atlanta is such a “ghetto”, why are you still here? I’m sure you could find a job picking peanuts in South Georgia… plenty of space out there and you won’t have to worry about “Yankees” or traffic (because nobody wants to live there).

Question Man

June 13th, 2012
11:23 pm

Since InsiderAdvantage is rarely right on anything, shouldn’t we assume the TSPLOST will pass?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 13th, 2012
11:26 pm

“Also, do you believe our transportation issues/traffic congestion negatively affects our areas ability to attract and retain jobs?”

Mike, the short answer is – no.

There are many reasons why businesses might not move here, and traffic isn’t one of them. Traffic occurs EVERYWHERE in every major metropolitan area. We’re really not very different in that regard. The answer is that those firms that want to come to Georgia will go outside of the 285 beltway if they so choose to do so.

However, lack of water for the area and a dismal education record will also be bigger factors in keeping firms from moving here, the former being the biggest one. Manufacturing (especially bio-tech) largely requires water, and we don’t have it.

A Realist

June 13th, 2012
11:29 pm

Well… if it doesn’t pass, and folks wait for the mythical ‘Plan B’, I doubt that it will be any better, and will only upset another group of people that only vote for ‘ME’ and ‘NOW’.

I do intend to vote ‘Yes’ for this pass – BUT…. if it does not pass, don’t expect my vote again. This is the ONE chance for lots of folks in the ‘burbs to really realize they are in a region, not a fiefdom. I would bet that a ‘Plan B’ would be chock full of roads, without any transit. So you would expect Fulton and DeKalb to vote for that? Really???

You gotta give something (some transit) before we further subsidize your roads! (they are already subsidized by the general fund since gas taxes don’t cover the maintenance anymore.)

You might wish that businesses move out of the city, but why? The suburban road network won’t be able to handle the sprawl, and access will be horrible. Then people will complain again… and won’t be able to drive across town to get to another business, and the traffic will be horrible… But who cares? Many folks that are already tired of the sprawl are voting with their feet – moving back into the city! Wow… (shhhhh….don’t tell anybody!)

If the businesses move out of the city, who will pay for their roads? They will be needed! And, for that matter, what business person would want to land at the airport, and drive for 2 hours to get to their client? Some people (not surprisingly) hate MARTA, but it sure does get one downtown quickly (BTW – there are LOTS of businesses downtown, along with universities and other things – but apparently those don’t count.) You really think they would move to an inconvenient location? Ha! I have a piece of a bridge for you!

So go ahead and vote ‘No’ …. continue to bury that head in the sand… and don’t expect any more sympathy from those in town that are already subsidizing your commuting lifestyle. Many of us will vote for it this time around… but don’t expect us to vote for it again.

Mike

June 13th, 2012
11:31 pm

Plenty of businesses are also moving inside the beltway… and plenty of people are too. Recent demographic info shows more people are moving to Fulton and Dekalb then Gwinnett, Cobb, Cherokee, etc.

Atlanta/inside 285 is not dead… there’s probably more construction going on right now inside 285 compared to outside. I don’t understand why so many people here hate the city, want it to fail and think it is just one huge ghetto when it’s not (I mean really, have you ever seen a real ghetto? If Atlanta scares you, grow some balls).

A Realist

June 13th, 2012
11:33 pm

Good comments Mike… there are lots of construction cranes in Midtown/Buckhead…. and few outside I285.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 13th, 2012
11:35 pm

Hear that giant sucking sound, Mike?

That’s the sound of wealth being generated in North Fulton County being drained away to prop up the rest of Fulton County.

The only reason Atlanta / inside 285 isn’t dead is because of the life support it receives from outside Atlanta.

Old Timer

June 13th, 2012
11:36 pm

If this passes and Atlanta grows don’t come down I-75 looking for my water. i provide for myself thank you.

Mike

June 13th, 2012
11:41 pm

That is complete BS and makes no sense. Please explain how North Fulton has anything to do with all the apartments, residential and commercial projects being built inside 285/the city of Atlanta?? That’s right, absolutely nothing.

Atlanta/inside 285 is not some empty ghetto – I mean, do you people really even live in the same metro area? Do you even venture over here? It’s not DEAD and the whole theory that North Fulton supports everything is so blown out of proportion. I mean, if it helps you sleep at night to think that so be it…

Mike

June 13th, 2012
11:42 pm

And by the way, all your precious suburbs around Atlanta wouldn’t even exist without Atlanta and the city’s investment in the AIRPORT.

Hillbilly D

June 13th, 2012
11:53 pm

Old Timer

Oh, they’ll come for it. It’s an entitlement mentality.

Hillbilly D

June 13th, 2012
11:57 pm

By the way, y’all do realize that the Atlanta region isn’t the only place voting on T-SPLOST? Yours isn’t the only one.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 13th, 2012
11:57 pm

Mike, I suggest you face reality, son.

If North Fulton didn’t keep Atlanta alive, there would already be a Milton County. The reason there isn’t today is directly because of the life support North Fulton would no longer be required to send to the rest of the county.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

June 14th, 2012
12:05 am

Case in point, Mike.

A neighborhood that straddles the border of North Fulton / Forsyth County has homes that reside in each. On two streets, the homes back up into each other. The home in Forsyth County pays about 3 times less in property taxes than the home butting up against it that sits in Fulton County. Neither home gets any difference in support services (police, fire, roads, – even if the schools in Forsyth are better) as the other does due to it’s location.

Where is that three times larger tax money going, Mike?

Yeah. You guessed it.

Propping up Atlanta.

Atlanta Thrashers Fan

June 14th, 2012
12:58 am

The T-SPLOST can burn in Hell with Ted Kennedy.

If this voted into place, it will NEVER go away.

NEVER.

see also:
State’s Promise to Voters of Immediate GA 400 Toll Booth Removal When Road was paid in full in August 2006

Shine

June 14th, 2012
4:14 am

No on TSPLOST, Yes on Obama a second term.

Dumb and Dumber

June 14th, 2012
8:17 am

Kyle, you sure know how to bring out the haters.

I’m voting no, not because I think we don’t need to fix congestion problems (yes, more roads) but because its a poorly written bill that will be a waste of time and money.

Interesting that no one seems to remember that the bill was written and passed by the GOP controlled legislature and governor. But I’m sure we can all agree its Obama’s fault, or Roy Barnes, or some yet-to-be named democrat.

iggy

June 14th, 2012
8:57 am

TSplost is going down in flames.

SabrinaClarke

June 14th, 2012
10:28 am

This referendum is all about getting support and educating family and friends. The passage of this referendum is so important on various levels. Road widening projects and interchange improvements that could ease the traffic in the city are crucial. Atlanta has some of the worst bottlenecks in the nation and with the passage of this referendum we can work on improving congestion, provide more mobility options and become a more welcoming city for businesses who are looking to come to the area.

Intown

June 14th, 2012
12:47 pm

I do not think T-SPLOST is anywhere near perfect. First of all it is another politically timid referendum for yet another regressive sales tax. (Can’t we do anything straight-up in Georgia?) But, I am voting for it because I have no faith that our factionalized metro area can come up with ANYTHING better than this. If it fails, only those who subscribe to the divisive, selfish, and self-destructive politics of certain northern suburbs will consolidate power while the region as a whole suffers long-term economic stagnation or decline. Remember folks, there is no reason for Atlanta to be here other than for transportation. It was a City founded as a railroad terminus and reborn as an aviation and automobile hub. Without continued transportation improvements, we will wither and fade away as a city.

New-Bold

June 14th, 2012
1:18 pm

You tried Mike… I noticed this past weekend, at my 17yo sons graduation, how the next generation views itself and us. My son and his friends are culturally diverse, open minded, and accepting; they have a much better grasp on the meaning of the word “community” than do most of people commenting here. I had to have a car ASAP when I was his age, he STILL does not have his liscense and PREFERS to use his bike and public transportation. We may still be a generation or two away from the south truly leaving behind small minded people, only concerned with life within a 5mile radius of thier home.
This list of projects is flawed, but its a start. What list is going to make EVERYONE happy? More rail infrastructure is needed: MMPT (hub for all transit), commuter rail to far suburbs (to give 75/85/20 commuters outside 285 a REAL option) and cities within Ga, a rail station at the international terminal (who thought NOT including that was a good idea?), and yes a COMPLETE beltline (bring all these people into the city, they need last mile connectivity). Bus service in Clayton and I TOTALLY agree that nearly EVERY interchange with 285 needs to be rebuilt.
Small minded people see growth bringing in more people along with new jobs and think more traffic and congestion. Infrasturcture (which BTW is a MAIN function of government) and planning means building walkable communities that surround new transit and new employers creating jobs ALSO around new transit stations. More jobs, less congestion, better economy… big thinking. Community thinking. Mutual prosperity.

Tone88

June 14th, 2012
7:23 pm

A lot of metro-ATL comments here from probable GDOT advocates. T-SPLOST is BS, unconstitutional and your’re not getting my or my county’s money to fund another MARTA expansion into a trans system no-one uses (rail, Buses, etc.). If Atlanta want better roads, then pay for it yourselves with a real “Local” tax increase. Using donor counties outiside of metro ATL is BS – and Mike you can go to hell… Calling us brainless hillbillies will get you fired…or worse.