2012 Tuesday: Obama officially ditches Hope for Fear
New York Magazine has a revealing and worthwhile look at the Obama campaign’s approach to this year’s election and GOP opponent Mitt Romney. Here is the crux of it:
Though the Obamans certainly hit John McCain hard four years ago — running more negative ads than any campaign in history — what they intend to do to Romney is more savage. They will pummel him for being a vulture-vampire capitalist at Bain Capital. They will pound him for being a miserable failure as the governor of Massachusetts. They will mash him for being a water-carrier for Paul Ryan’s Social Darwinist fiscal program. They will maul him for being a combination of Jerry Falwell, Joe Arpaio, and John Galt on a range of issues that strike deep chords with the Obama coalition. “We’re gonna say, ‘Let’s be clear what he would do as president,’ ” [senior White House adviser David] Plouffe explains. “Potentially abortion will be criminalized. Women will be denied contraceptive services. He’s far right on immigration. He supports efforts to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage. …
Thus, to a very real degree, 2008’s candidate of hope stands poised to become 2012’s candidate of fear. For many Democrats, this is just fine and dandy, for they believe that in the Romney-Republican agenda there is plenty to be scared of. For others in the party in both politics and business, however, the new Obama posture is cause for concern. From the gay-marriage decision to the onslaught on Bain, they see the president and his team as coming across as too divisive, too conventional, and too nakedly political, putting at risk Obama’s greatest asset — his likability — with the voters in the middle of the electorate who will ultimately decide his fate.
Now, this portrait of the strategy — which carries the title “”Hope: The Sequel; For Obama & Co., this time around it’s all about fear” — is not revealing because it’s surprising. Americans routinely tell opinion pollsters they’re underwhelmed by President Obama’s record in the White House and unnerved about the country’ direction, so there’s only so much “Morning in America” the campaign can promote. Fear of the other guy represents most of what they have to sell.
It is revealing, however, to see how open Plouffe and other Democrats are about this strategy. And it is revealing to see how quickly they have to resort to falsehoods to explain it.
To begin, let’s take each of the examples Plouffe gives in his own words:
- “Potentially abortion will be criminalized.”: Not even the reddest of red states have “criminalized abortion” in the 39 years since Roe v. Wade; they have only tried, with mixed results, to place limits on it. The idea that Romney, in just four or eight years, would spend his political capital trying to push a nationwide ban on abortion through Congress — and that the Supreme Court would overturn precedent to uphold said law — is beyond far-fetched. At most, a President Romney might get to replace a liberal justice with a conservative one more inclined to entertain limits on abortion. That is, of course, a possibility in every single administration. And the reverse — that Obama in a second term might get to replace a conservative justice with a liberal one — is just as motivating to conservatives.
- “Women will be denied contraceptive services.” This issue came out of left field when the Obama administration this year tried to force religious entities to violate their consciences to expand subsidies — not legal access — to contraception, and only to a tiny sliver of women. When that maneuver prompted an outcry, the administration doubled down by suggesting Republicans would try to chip away at the status quo.
- “He’s far right on immigration.” During the primaries, Romney described his policies toward illegal immigrants already living in the U.S. as one which would encourage “self-deportation” by making it harder for them to make a living from the shadows. The Obama administration, however, constantly touts the large number of illegal immigrants whom it has deported over the past three years. Does that put Obama on the far-far right on immigration?
- “He supports efforts to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage.” This is actually true. But, as a senior White House adviser, Plouffe surely knows presidents aren’t involved in the amendment process.
These are just the ones for which Plouffe was quoted. There is plenty of intrigue about the ones the magazine paraphrased. For instance, how’s that attack on “vulture capitalism” working out? (Not well.) How is Obama going to portray Romney as a failed governor, given that a) his advisers claim to have used Romneycare in Massachusetts as a blueprint for Obamacare, and b) his record as president on unemployment and economic growth makes for a poor comparison to Romney’s record on those issues as governor?
I have no doubt that fear will the watchword for the Obama 2012 campaign — and, to be fair, that Romney will engage in much the same kind of discussion about what a second-term Obama, facing no more need to win over voters, might do as president. But Obama’s supporters better hope this isn’t the best the campaign has to offer.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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saywhat?
May 29th, 2012
12:41 pm
Republicans have been the fear monger masters for decades, much as they were once the campaign fund raising champs. Once they are overtaken by the Democrats, all of a sudden the Republicans cast it as an “issue” while denying that it was ever their own modus operandi.
Just try and deny that the Republicans have been telling Americans for years too fear blacks, “illegals’, the poor, unions, “socialism”, moslems, etc . Hell, for the last 3 years the right wingers have been frantically warning us about the COMPLETE COLLAPSE OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT if Obama wins re-election.
Obama has a good record to run on (saving the economy, killing bin Laden, withdrawing from Iraq, and soon Afghanistan, etc). Romney has ONLY fear to run on, because he ISN”T likeable under even the best conditions, and because he is trying to sell the notion that doing the same things that contributed to the economic melt down will also repair it. Good luck with that.
Jon
May 29th, 2012
12:41 pm
No Kyle, you’re totally right. Fear of the far right wing is a real thing, and it should be feared.
However, I’d take this fear campaigning over the fear of continued terrorism GWB continually pushed to ensure a second term for himself.
Don't Tread
May 29th, 2012
12:42 pm
“But Obama’s supporters better hope this isn’t the best the campaign has to offer”
Well, you only have to be 2% smarter than the welfare recipients that make up a large part of their voting base. That’s a really high jump there. Why bother with the extra effort?
saywhat?
May 29th, 2012
12:44 pm
When will Obama come for my guns, start building those concentration camps for conservatives, put in place Sharia law etc?
Jeff
May 29th, 2012
12:44 pm
Both pale in comparison on all issues noted to their only official competitor – indeed, the only official Nominee of his Party so far: former NEW MEXICO Governor GARY JOHNSON.
But equally important: How in the Sam HADES can you POSSIBLY be a combination of “Jerry Falwell, joe Arpaio, and John Galt”? The first two combine easily- both facist thugs. The last? He is as opposite the first two as Christ is from Satan.
jm
May 29th, 2012
12:44 pm
Obama is a fraud and a man without principles or direction.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
12:46 pm
the fear of continued terrorism GWB continually pushed to ensure a second term
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You have a vivid imagination.
Old Goober
May 29th, 2012
12:49 pm
They will pummel him for being a vulture-vampire capitalist at Bain Capital. They will pound him for being a miserable failure as the governor of Massachusetts. They will mash him for being a water-carrier for Paul Ryan’s Social Darwinist fiscal program. They will maul him for being a combination of Jerry Falwell, Joe Arpaio, and John Galt on a range of issues that strike deep chords with the Obama coalition. “We’re gonna say, ‘Let’s be clear what he would do as president,’ ” [senior White House adviser David] Plouffe explains. “Potentially abortion will be criminalized. Women will be denied contraceptive services. He’s far right on immigration. He supports efforts to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage. …
Oh, yeah? Well, sticks and stones can break my bones, but
factslibruls will never hurt me.Joe the Prophet
May 29th, 2012
12:49 pm
Romney and his “corporate socialism” ilk should “self-deport” back to Salt Lake City….
Where I went to high school in Douglasville, GA, if we met some Yankee cultist talking about “plural celestial unions, God(s), and the Planet Kolob”….he would have a VERY bad afternoon..I don’t care HOW RICH he was…!!! I’m sure Earl Lee would have found him a safe place in another county…..
America will never be “EXCEPTIONAL” with a cultist as President..!!!
southpaw
May 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
I won’t try to speak for Republicans, since I’m an independent voter, but I can speak for a lot of conservatives. We’re not afraid of blacks, illegals, the poor, and unions, but we are afraid of a mentality of entitlement that the country can’t afford any longer. Don’t even start trying to assign blame for why the country’s out of money; there’s plenty to go around on all sides. We’re not afraid of moslems, we’re afraid of the radical jihadist fringe of Islam. Even Obama’s re-election won’t cause the collapse of America–IF we quit borrowing money and start paying down our debt. Not in 30 years. Now.
Kudos to the President for sending the SEALs to take out bin Laden. But did he do it because it was the right thing to do, or to try to gain political capital? (Hint: What did he do exactly a year later? Did he talk up his courageous decision, or did he leave bin Laden on the trash heap of history?)
I have my own concerns about Romney, but on balance, I like the country’s chances better under his leadership than under Obama’s.
tiredofIT
May 29th, 2012
12:58 pm
And correctly so, many of us fear what Romney would do to our country.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
1:00 pm
I think the Obama campaign’s fear message would work so much better if they actually told the truth, Kyle.
Both the GST and Ampad bankruptcies occurred years after Romney left Bain Capital, yet they are the only two companies highlighted by Obama campaign videos.
At GST, their then Vice President admits that Bain infusion of capital allowed them to operate 8 years longer than they would have without the intervention, and at Ampad it could be argued that the employees’ own strike resulted in their losing so much market share that they could never recover.
Obama loves to talk about Mass. employment growth being 47th in the nation during Romney’s term as Governor, but fail to mention it was at about 4.5% when he left office. Just how much can you improve upon a number that almost everyone considers as full employment, anyway?
It’s a non-stop, 24/7 stream of lies being foisted on the American public from the Obama campaign in 2012. The only thing they have to fear, is being thrown out of office. The only thing we have to fear is that event not happening in 2012.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
May 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
Wouldn’t it be cool if Romney actually took up some of the positions that obozo accuses him of?
Rafe Hollister- trying to save the Choom Gang
May 29th, 2012
1:03 pm
Kyle, after all these fears are explained away by Romney, which hopefully he will do in a 30 second ad. They will revert back to the one they have used for ages, you know, more black churches will burn, he wants to poison the air and water, he wants to privatize social security, he wants to privatize medicare, he wants to keep women in the kitchen, and in the final days before the vote, he is a racist.
They have nothing to run on other than the Seals killed Osama, while Obama held a Hollywood gathering. He wants to do anything to keep Romney occupied with something other than the Oblamer record.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
1:05 pm
“Obama has a good record to run on”
If that is the case, saywhat, why isn’t he doing so? One article written this weekend says that Obama has made a $25 million ad buy for a message about his own record, but the REST of his advertising dollars are going to be negative ads against Romney. $25 million out of $750 million to $1 billion in campaign cash?
If his record was so damned good, saywhat, he’d be running on it.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
May 29th, 2012
1:05 pm
Only a liberal would clutch their pillow over contraception, so I guess obozo knows his silly little base.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
May 29th, 2012
1:17 pm
Has anyone else noticed now that Hairy Reed as been outed as a Mormon, he’s dropped off the map?
Him and Biden must be stuffed into the same closet.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
1:18 pm
saywhat: Fear is an element in every political campaign. The point is that this is the guy who ran on pure “Hope” last time. He hasn’t turned out to be post-partisan, post-racial, or post-anything else he proclaimed to be. Now he’s not even sticking with Hope. At some point, becoming the very kind of politician he claimed in 2008 to be better than is going to catch up to him, including in the likability ratings. Why would people continue to say they like someone who does all the very things he criticizes everyone else for doing?
Jefferson
May 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
Homophobes at war with women…the GOP as uniters.
Joe the Prophet
May 29th, 2012
1:33 pm
Yep…It’s about politics……But really…
The best Romney said he can do is 6% unemployment….THAT’S NOT EXCEPTIONAL….
He wants to be Reagan….BUT REAGAN WAS A CHRISTIAN…!!!!
I have no problem with the guy outside of that….except the he doesn’t seem to have a backbone….and I don’t think he can turn the economy around without a backbone….
and we already have a Mormon as US Senate leader….I don’t think we need two that high up in government….
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
1:34 pm
Obozo has a new campaign organization to go along with “Hispanics for Obozo”, “LGBT for Obozo” et al….for those who buy the “War on Women” meme, there’s now “Easily Led Chumps for Obozo”.
Joe the Prophet
May 29th, 2012
1:35 pm
You have to look at the landscape if Romney were elected…..Conservative House….Democratic Senate…..Mish-Mosh as President…..
It’ll be Massachussets all over again…..
iggy
May 29th, 2012
1:36 pm
We already know Obama will never get unemployment below 8%…Obama CANT do it. And personally I dont think he wants to as he is eyeing his next prize as UN secretary general then onto Grand Poobah of planet Earth.
Those who have saved their money, made the responsible decisions and need not much of a hand from govt are the very ones Obama wants to reign in/destroy.
Joe the Prophet
May 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
1:34 pm
Obozo has a new campaign organization to go along with “Hispanics for Obozo”, “LGBT for Obozo” et al….for those who buy the “War on Women” meme, there’s now “Easily Led Chumps for Obozo”.
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As opposed to the Conservative array of cults……the NRA gun-nut cult….the Scott Walker anti-union cult…..the TBAG spending-cut cult…..the Grover Norquist tax cut cult…..the Ron Paul free-market capitalism cult…..the pro-life cult/terrorist group……
Mitt Romney supports FREE MARKET CULTISM…..!!!!!!
iggy
May 29th, 2012
1:38 pm
One of Obamas shining moments, which speaks for itself, was the appointment of “hoof in mouth disease” Biden.
Rafe Hollister- trying to save the Choom Gang
May 29th, 2012
1:40 pm
He hasn’t turned out to be post-partisan, post-racial, or post-anything else he proclaimed to be.
Yep, now he is just post-hope and post-effective.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
1:41 pm
Joe The Poofter….I hit a nerve, eh?
iggy
May 29th, 2012
1:41 pm
Its about time for Obama to get another hair-dye job as he starting to lose his pseudo Gray hair mature statesmanlike persona. In other words the gray hair DyeJob is fading.
PS…Did Obi ever release his academic records or are those still sealed/MIA?
saywhat?
May 29th, 2012
1:42 pm
Kyle- its hard to be post-partisan and post-racial when so many of one’s supposedly loyal opposition are a bunch of partisan racists. Apparently THEY never got the message.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
A cult follower as the head of the free world? Huh?
mwuahahahahahaha. Conservatives are really grasping at straws.
Rafe Hollister- trying to save the Choom Gang
May 29th, 2012
1:46 pm
And correctly so, many of the blame America first crowd fear what Romney would do to our country.
Tiredofit
You were specific enough, so I revised your statement.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
1:46 pm
iggy, perhaps you can use your hairstylist skillz and do a post that compares/contrasts the hair styles of the candidates? Maybe use the Donald as third-party comparison?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
1:46 pm
Sorry, saywhat, but your guy got everything he wanted for two years–he failed all on his own.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
1:49 pm
This is the part where I remind saywhat of things like “I won” and the “teachable moment,” and where saywhat says, “No, because … TEA PARTY TERRORISTS!”
jefflz
May 29th, 2012
1:49 pm
If your point is that the Obama campaign should turn the other cheek while being Swift Boated by the GOP hate machine, then we must question you judgement about how the political game is being played.
iggy
May 29th, 2012
1:52 pm
“Swift Boated by the GOP hate machine”
The lib-DUHL paranoia is hilarious. Keep em coming!!
Joe The Plumber Too
May 29th, 2012
1:52 pm
saywhat, grow up little fellow. open your eyes and turn off the louie ferry-khan speeches.All republicans are NOT racists and all racists are not white……This isn’t about the color black, it’s about the colors red, white & blue and the fact that the pretender in chief has no clue how to get this country back on track.
PSS
May 29th, 2012
1:53 pm
Kyle – you are a candyass through and through. What do you think Romney did to his primary competitors? He virtually slandered them to death? How about another nugget from Romney – “If Obama is re-elected, Iran will have Nuclear weapons.” A little fear mongering there don’t you think?
iggy
May 29th, 2012
1:56 pm
No doubt Carlos Santana will attempt to rev up the “Latino, Anti-Republican, Hate Machine”.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
1:56 pm
PSS: Did you even read the piece?
jefflz
May 29th, 2012
1:57 pm
Obama has been facing a continuous torrent of lying propaganda from the Republicans: He is a socialist , a communist, he sunk th economy, the economy is worse than ever….he is not an American, he is Muslim terrrorist sympathizer, …it goes on and on and has done so since he was elected… why should the Democrats play softball with a Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity and now Romney campaign of lies and distortion?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
1:59 pm
“The best Romney said he can do is 6% unemployment”
Joe the Prophet, why do you need to lie about what Romney says to make your religiously-bigoted points?
You forgot the last 7 words Romney said – “by the end of my first term.”.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
2:00 pm
Kyle, do you even need to ask PSS that question?
Of course he didn’t read the piece.
@@
May 29th, 2012
2:01 pm
Obama talking to Plouffe.
schnirt
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Obama has been facing a continuous torrent of lying propaganda from the Republicans:”
So, jefflz? The point of the article is that OBAMA ran on Hope & Change – NOT the Republicans.
Your deflection merely shows you have no argument against the substance of the article.
jefflz
May 29th, 2012
2:04 pm
Just remember that Kerry stood there like a deer in the headlights while the GOP slammed over him with the Swift Boat attack and he officially lost the election. (actually probably not since Ohio was stolen).
Jefferson
May 29th, 2012
2:04 pm
You can fear the next coming of President Bush in a Romney outfit…they are 1 in the same, except President Bush is much wiser.
jefflz
May 29th, 2012
2:06 pm
I m saying that yu can campaign on Hope and good will until the opposition spits in your face at every opportunity. Then you have to stand up and fight back.
iggy
May 29th, 2012
2:11 pm
Camp Obama is attempting to shore up its base by trotting out poor Michelle to appear on GMA and that Loon-Fest “The View.”
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
2:11 pm
“(actually probably not since Ohio was stolen).”
Oy . . . .
jefflz, you just eliminated any valid reason to read your posts.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
2:13 pm
“I m saying that yu can campaign on Hope and good will until the opposition spits in your face at every opportunity. Then you have to stand up and fight back.”
And what is so different than 2008 in that regard, jefflz?
Answer: Nothing.
So this President is just one big phony when it comes to principles he espouses.
iggy
May 29th, 2012
2:13 pm
The Stock that Biden thought was an excellent BUY BUY BUY at $42 per share has now dropped to $28.84. Joe “facebook” Biden.
Joe The Plumber Too
May 29th, 2012
2:14 pm
Yeah, jefflz…….explain hope and change to Agent Terry’s family, barry has done nothing but cover up his boy eric holders lies and deceptions. Please explain spitting in the face to that family.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
2:14 pm
I guess people who are used to the strategerizing of their leaders shouldn’t really be expected to understand leaders strategizing…
This is exactly what Conservatives can’t fathom/comprehend/let sink in – sometimes you have to change your focus.
You take a new job and 4 years later you are applying again – do you use the resume you used 4 years ago?
It’s called change – you change your strategy, you change your tactics. Really kinda fundamental stuff, you know? Obama is now embracing the “change” side of his 2008 message but the Cons can’t deal.
“Sumbody moving the goalposts, whaaaaaa. I needs me a tax break! Gimme a tax break, whaaaaaaaa.”
Road Scholar
May 29th, 2012
2:16 pm
You mean Romney took and did not change a position? Really? He has “modified” his positions, bending to the conservative ‘wind” when it blows. How can you, with a straight face say he wouldn’t bend to his party’s platform?
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
2:19 pm
Kyle Wingfield @1:18 pm “The point is that this is the guy who ran on pure “Hope” last time. He hasn’t turned out to be post-partisan, post-racial, or post-anything else he proclaimed to be. Now he’s not even sticking with Hope. “
Even a guy who runs on Hope and wants to be post-partisan and post-racial gets the idea when he runs into “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” crowd.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
2:20 pm
Tib: Thanks for answering my rhetorical question with one of your own
Harry Doyle
May 29th, 2012
2:21 pm
Is it more accurate to say that Bob Uecker is the “Barack 0bama of Power-Hitting Catchers,” or should one say that Barack 0bama is the “Bob Uecker of Constitutionalist, Cerebral, Ethical, Competent Presidents?”
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
2:22 pm
jefflz: The “hope for fear” trade is in my headline, but that’s mostly the focus of the NY Mag piece. My piece focuses more on how pitifully false most of Obama’s fear-mongering is.
Which is another way of saying: Did you even read the piece?
iggy
May 29th, 2012
2:23 pm
“Obama is now embracing the “change” side of his 2008 message but the Cons can’t deal.”
Thats precious.
Harry Doyle
May 29th, 2012
2:23 pm
Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussst a Bit Outside!
jefflz
May 29th, 2012
2:24 pm
Th biggest mistake Obama made was to try to compromise with the GOP during his first two years in office. They made a mockery of him and he paid heavily by failing to please his base and by failing to achieve any compromise whatosever because of a lock-step policy of Republican stonewalling. If Obama doesn’t get on his hind legs and fight back with every ounce of strength he has in him than he deserves to lose.
jefflz
May 29th, 2012
2:30 pm
Mr Wingfield, The Republican right has been peddling the fear of a black, muslim, non-american, communist, socialist President in the White House that must be thrown out at any cost to honesty and fairness .. I did read your article it turns out but you and your admirers think that Obama should not fight fire with fire….just roll over and blow away with the wind of hateful propaganda coming from the GOP… if you don’t think that is the case what is your point in fact?
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
2:31 pm
Romney is going to play to the Con base. I think Obama needs to play to that same base.
Joe The Plumber Too
May 29th, 2012
2:31 pm
jefflz: “They made a mockery of him” ? The only mockery this country has seen for the last three years is the mockery barry made of the Office of President.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
2:33 pm
Cons pulled the jeremiah Wright stuff because it really is too early to use it. Need to wait till after the convention to pull that non-issue out of you pockets.
iggy
May 29th, 2012
2:36 pm
We dont need the Wright debacle. Obama, now, stands on his own record.
iggy
May 29th, 2012
2:38 pm
I guess one could say Wright wasnt right, for Obama. AH HAHAHAHA!!
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
2:40 pm
Five years after they wrecked most of the major economies of the world and you folks want to put a Wall Street guy in charge of the whole show?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
“Th biggest mistake Obama made was to never try to compromise with the GOP during his first two years in office.”
Fixed your typo, jefflz.
No thanks needed.
iggy
May 29th, 2012
2:42 pm
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
2:40 pm
LMAO. I cant stop laughin!!! Keep em comin!
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
2:42 pm
“Five years after they wrecked most of the major economies of the world and you folks want to put a Wall Street guy in charge of the whole show?”
Well, considering that simplistic view on your part isn’t reality, Finn . . . .
Yeah, some of us do.
jefflz
May 29th, 2012
2:43 pm
Mr. Wingfield, with clever fans like iggy and Joe the Plumber and Tib, it is clear who your audience really is. Congratulations.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
“If Obama doesn’t get on his hind legs and fight back with every ounce of strength he has in him than he deserves to lose.”
This sounds like a pretty racist comment to me, jefflz. Are you comparing the current President of the United States to a dog?
Becky
May 29th, 2012
2:45 pm
Well-what do you know? Kyle finally wrote a somewhat original blog. Of course he had to pull his material and thought from New York magazine. After reading all I can say is The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling!!!! Run chicken littles. The black guy will be re-elected and women will put him back in office!!! We remember and we vote.
Jefferson
May 29th, 2012
2:45 pm
Remeber how President Bush and his party messed up things so bad, well Romney is the same with the same ideas, that still won’t work. Keep doing the same thing GOP, it still don’t work.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
2:47 pm
Frankly, I think fear of what would happen in a Romney/Republican Administration is quite appropriate.
I for one am afraid they would….
-Give more tax breaks to the wealthy and return to the path Duhbya put us on.
-Continue to ignore real issues like health care, immigration and the erosion of the Middle Class
-Turn back the clock on social issues…how can one be against government intrusion and for regulating sex?
-Increased support for Paul Ryan’s Social Darwinist fiscal program.
-Increased military spending…come on we already spend more than the next 15 countries COMBINED.
-Push a dangerously right wing Supreme Court over the edge…Corporations are people….really?
As for the Hope and Change part….
-Instead of losing 700K jobs a month we now create 150K or so each month.
-Instead of a shrinking GDP its slowly beginning to grow again.
-Assuming a non activist court, progress on Health Care reform
-A Global Financial Meltdown was averted
-Sanity in the budget debate…you mean it takes spending cuts and additional revenue…who would have thunk it
Imagine what could have been accomplished if both parties had embraced a bit of Hope and Change. However the Republicans prefer FUD so when in Rome one must do as the Romans do…at least until enough of them are voted out of office to return to the path of Hope and Change.
iggy
May 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
JDW. Nice talking points. You should send those to the Obama campaign and they could print up tee-shirts for the homeless.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
2:58 pm
Funny how decreasing spending a few percentage points a year for 20 years is now considered by the uninformed to “Social Darwinism”.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
3:09 pm
how can one be against government intrusion and for regulating sex?
Yeah, that one gets me too. One of the most private of matters and they want a hand in controlling it.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
3:10 pm
Hey, maybe instead of waging just two wars WHILE giving out tax breaks, the Romney administration will give out tax breaks WHILE waging 4 wars!
Mitt Romeny 2012
Double Down, beeyatches!
SBinF
May 29th, 2012
3:11 pm
Sounds about right, the right wing agenda should be feared.
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
3:15 pm
Kyle,
Why don’t you consider your blog, the posts of Obama’s detractors, as a microcosm of what Obama is facing in the election. Read the lies, all the hateful, insulting, obscene posts (some of which even you have to reject), and then tell us that Obama’s campaign should be positive.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
3:15 pm
“how can one be against government intrusion and for regulating sex?”
Libs confuse “regulating sex” with “government paying for contraceptives”.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
3:16 pm
“Read the lies”
How about this, MaryV?
POST the lies you think are here, and prove that they are lies.
Or you can simply whine all day long as you usually do.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
3:17 pm
JDW: Which “regulation of sex” did you have in mind?
Jefferson
May 29th, 2012
3:21 pm
The GOP will never cut spending, they didn’t before, they won’t now or ever.
Becky
May 29th, 2012
3:21 pm
Tibs and Kyle-are you being deliberately obtuse? Look up the definition if needed. There there dearie.
hahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha losers
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
3:23 pm
how can one be against government intrusion and for regulating sex?
———-
Straw man alert.
The only thing missing from your statement is any basis in reality. Your tinfoil hat needs an adjustment, methinks.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
3:26 pm
On the specific topic of for-profit schools of higher education — notorious both for saddling students with high levels of debt and for their abysmal graduation rates — Romney promised to repeal Obama’s “ill-advised” regulations targeting the sector. The for-profit school industry gives Mitt Romney a lot of money. One of Mitt Romney’s top education advisors is William D. Hansen, who has lobbied extensively for for-profit schools.
salon.com
Even you Cons know this is not a good thing. Get a degree from a for-profit college and wait patiently by your phone – it won’t ring from anyone you’d really want to work for. We in IT look at these degrees as a joke – a cruel joke bordering on fraud.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
3:26 pm
The GOP will never cut spending, they didn’t before, they won’t now or ever.
——-
Apparently you missed the whole debt ceiling debate last year.
There is one political party trying to cut spending. And if the Democrat Senate and Obozo weren’t obstructing, the Republicans would have cut spending and reformed Medicare already.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
3:28 pm
“The GOP will never cut spending, they didn’t before, they won’t now or ever.”
So since Obama has never cut spending either, Jefferson, (and shows no sign of ever doing so) you’re saying that our deficit and debt is hopeless and we should just give up?
iggy
May 29th, 2012
3:29 pm
“notorious both for saddling students with high levels of debt and for their abysmal graduation rates”
Sounds like a lot of bellyaching from a group of immature high school students who couldnt face the workforce so they opted out for 4 more years of partying, then the bill/hangover arrived.
Awwww….
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
3:29 pm
Becky, are you being deliberately irrelevant?
Look up the word, dearie.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
3:31 pm
Just the thought of another conservative judge on the SC should put fear in the heart of the independents.
Bad craziness. Corporations are people?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
3:32 pm
Allow me to translate and simplify JDW’s talking points above:
“From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs”.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
3:33 pm
Are unions people?
stands for decibels
May 29th, 2012
3:36 pm
The idea that Romney, in just four or eight years, would spend his political capital trying to push a nationwide ban on abortion through Congress — and that the Supreme Court would overturn precedent to uphold said law — is beyond far-fetched.
hmm. How many years has the GOP platform included something like this, from 1996:
We believe the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life that cannot be infringed. We therefore reaffirm our support for a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.
or this, from 2008:
We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.
How is that “legislation” going to be enforced, if not through the criminal code?
Your side is pro-criminalization. Own it.
And good for Team Obama for correctly pointing this out, it’s about time they did.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
3:38 pm
Apparently you missed the whole debt ceiling debate last year. There is one political party trying to cut spending. And if the Democrat Senate and Obozo weren’t obstructing, the Republicans would have cut spending and reformed Medicare already.
Yeah, seems i recall obama offering 3-1 cuts to tax increases? That’s called “compromise” and who was having none of it?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
3:44 pm
Finn, Obama’s “cuts” weren’t actual cuts, but simply reductions in spending increases. The GOP was holding out for actual cuts. And of course were opposed to tax increases as well.
Nice try. But fail, again.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
3:45 pm
Look, there it is again!
Conservatives moan all day about inefficient use of tax dollars and then someone points out a PROVEN inefficient use of tax dollars (for-profit colleges)!
What do they do? Pooh-pooh it!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
3:45 pm
Who was having none of it? Obozo! He got an earful from Congressional Democrats and torpedoed his own deal, which Speaker Boehner had agreed to.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
3:46 pm
sands, you need to separate “Romney’s” position from the “GOP’s” position.
As Kyle rightly points out, do you think ROMNEY would waste political capital on such a thing?
Based on his record, he fights the fights he can win, and he focuses on actual problems that need to be solved, and right now that’s the economy.
stands for decibels
May 29th, 2012
3:50 pm
As Kyle rightly points out, do you think ROMNEY would waste political capital on such a thing?
Hey, that’s a great slogan:
Vote for Mitt! he probably won’t be able to criminalize abortion!
Michael H. Smith
May 29th, 2012
3:51 pm
The only thing America has to fear is four more years of under Dear Marxist Leader Comrade “obumer” and his Fascist-Socialist Democrat unionized Worker’s Party.
saywhat?
May 29th, 2012
3:52 pm
Kyle @ 1:49. Thanks for attempting to put words in my mouth. I have referred to the teatards as many things, but not terrorists, sorry.
Re: “I won”, the simple fact is that he did. Overwhelmingly. Two years after an overwhelming Congressional Democratic victory The Republicans should have respected the choice of the American people and made the effort to work with the President vs making the deliberate and conscious choice to oppose and/or obstruct every initiative with the intent to make him a one term President. Do the phrases “I have a mandate” and “political capital- and I intend to spend it” ring any bells, or are they lost in the fog of time from the period of He Who Must Not Be Named?
Re: the beer summit, I apparently don’t feel the same outrage? disgust? whatever it is you feel regarding the whole incident. The President’s initial reaction to the incident certainly reflected that of a large number of Americans, if not you. He made a mistake in his public statement, but I think he patched things up rather nicely. Overall, it was better to get it resolved than let it fester.The whole event ended up being inconsequential in the long run, thanks to the Presidents actions.
But tell me again- when is Obama coming for our guns?
saywhat?
May 29th, 2012
3:56 pm
Tiberius – Banned from Bookman’s and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
3:46 pm
sands, you need to separate “Romney’s” position from the “GOP’s” position.
As Kyle rightly points out, do you think ROMNEY would waste political capital on such a thing?
Based on his record, he fights the fights he can win, and he focuses on actual problems that need to be solved, and right now that’s the economy.
______________________________________________________
Hmmmmmmm. Sounds alot like President Obama, focusing on actual problems that need to be solved, and fighting the fights he can win. Economic stimulus- check. Auto company bailout-check. Healthcare insurance reform-check. Kill Bin Laden- check.
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
3:57 pm
Tiberius @3:16 pm
When you are appointed the manager of this blog, I will consider your requests.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
3:59 pm
@Tiberius…”Funny how decreasing spending a few percentage points a year for 20 years is now considered by the uninformed to “Social Darwinism”.”
It’s not so much the “decreasing spending a few percentage points” as it is the gutting of Medicare, maintaining Military spending while cutting every social program and the decreasing revenue bit. Now if he/they would like to chat about reasonable revenue increases, halting the Military budget conflagration and adjusting social programs to the demographics of today I am sure we could have a chat.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
4:00 pm
stands @ 3:36: And yet…abortion remains legal.
What has changed that Romney, considered (by everyone but the Obama campaign) as not so socially conservative, would suddenly do what born-again Christian George W. Bush didn’t?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
4:04 pm
“When you are appointed the manager of this blog, I will consider your requests.”
I accept your surrender, MaryV.
Please return to your incessant whining now.
Darwin
May 29th, 2012
4:05 pm
You dumped all that stuff in here to state that the incumbent runs a different styled campaign from 4 years ago?
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
4:06 pm
“It’s not so much the “decreasing spending a few percentage points” as it is the gutting of Medicare, maintaining Military spending while cutting every social program and the decreasing revenue bit.”
And if Ryan’s plan actually did that, I might agree with you, JDW, but while you are entitled to your own opinion (no matter how wrong it may be) you are not entitled to your own facts.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
4:06 pm
@Kyle…”JDW: Which “regulation of sex” did you have in mind?”
Just a few of the campaign promises/talking points…
If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.”
-Rick Santorum
More from Rick Santorum
A promise to defund birth control on the grounds that contraception is “a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.” …
Ron Paul is no better
He believes that the birth control pill did not cause immorality but that immorality creates the problem of wanting to use the pill.
Mitt Romney has vowed
“to see a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage” and “to overturn Roe v. Wade.”
All that doesn’t make you fear sex regulation? It does me.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
4:07 pm
Kyle, your 4:00 reply is spot on!
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
4:09 pm
saywhat @ 3:52: Yes, he did win. Overwhelmingly. So overwhelmingly, in fact, that he didn’t need any GOP cooperation — and didn’t seek it in earnest — until Scott Brown shocked everyone from Massachusetts, the filibuster was back in play, and Obama-Pelosi-Reid suddenly had to reap the partisan ill-will they’d sown. The left-wing revisionism about the “obstructionist” Republicans, with their 40 seats in the Senate and <200 in the House, is simply ludicrous.
Jefferson
May 29th, 2012
4:09 pm
Until the GOP finds middle ground they should be rejected as not effective legislators. One day they may find their way back to being productive.
MrLiberty
May 29th, 2012
4:10 pm
I remember hearing once during the horrible Bush years “the only thing Republicans have to fear is the end of fear itself.” Looks like Obama has officially become a true Neocon republican.
Obama=Romney=Bush. Really, why would america want another 4 years of this kind of crap?
Ron Paul 2012.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
4:11 pm
As for the Gates incident: “it was better to get it resolved than let it fester”? Do you remember why it was festering? Because Obama chose to wade into the incident in the first place, speaking without the facts to boot. I’ll give him credit for managing to clean up his own mess, for the most part, but I recognize that the mess was largely of his own making.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
4:11 pm
@Tiberius…”you need to separate “Romney’s” position from the “GOP’s” position.”
Silly me when a candidate promises to “to overturn Roe v. Wade” as Romney did I stop worrying about how to interrupt his intentions and go with the simplest explanation…he means what he says.
Michael H. Smith
May 29th, 2012
4:11 pm
Oh yeah, cutting 500 billion out of Medicare isn’t called gutting, right? War spending wasn’t a big deal until a Republican got us into one that lasted for more than three months then again what one war compared to getting us into four wars two them world wars that lasted for years within one century?
Any day of any week brucie a Republican spends less on making war than your warmongering Democrats!
You can plant that in your Flanders field, wilcox.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 29th, 2012
4:12 pm
The Republicans should have respected the choice of the American people and made the effort to work with [Obozo]
———
Obozo didn’t need GOP support to get anything passed. Obozo got everything he wanted (except when his own party blocked him) and look at the results–total failure.
Americans, aided by some Democrats, will fix the problem in November.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
4:12 pm
@Kyle…”And yet…abortion remains legal.”
So we should give them credit for failure?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
May 29th, 2012
4:14 pm
Politics is a nasty business.
Say it aint so.
At least when the Dems tear somebody down there actually might be some facts close by.
Unlike the Republicans and their ” Swift Boating ” where they just make stuff up.
The one good thing about electing Cheesy Grits will be that after finally electing a minority candidate the country will have elected the first non-christian President.
That will at least be a milestone.
Michael H. Smith
May 29th, 2012
4:15 pm
@Kyle… as the chill wind blows, one vote and Scalia await.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
May 29th, 2012
4:16 pm
Americans, aided by some Democrats, will fix the problem in November.
Yet all the polls point to Obama.
Got some money saved up. Vegas says its Obama easy.
I’m sure they will take your bet.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
4:19 pm
JDW @ 4:06: ICYMI, Rick Santorum lost…handily…in large part because of the kinds of quotes you mentioned. He dropped out when he did to avoid being embarrassed in his own state’s primary. He’s in no position to shape the GOP platform, and won’t even be the most consequential Pennsylvania Republican in this campaign (Pat Toomey will play a larger role). He isn’t even at the top of the list of social conservatives Romney would consider choosing as a running mate (Mike Huckabee is reportedly the top candidate from that pool).
More broadly, “defund[ing] birth control” is not the same thing as regulating sex. Nor is banning same-sex marriage or overturning Roe v. Wade.
If you believe a lack of subsidy is tantamount to regulation, you may as well turn in that “fiscal responsibility” card you like to play around here. If you believe marriage = sex, then you would seem to be more comfortable with Rick Santorum’s thinking than you let on. If you think abortion = sex, you may need to consult a biology textbook.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
4:20 pm
Non-Christian, Cult Follower, Eater of the Cheesy Grits 2012
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
4:21 pm
Cheesy Grits: ICYMI — and a great deal seems to elude you — my entire post was pointing out all the ways there are no “facts close by” to Plouffe’s fear mongering.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
May 29th, 2012
4:21 pm
@Kyle… as the chill wind blows, one vote and Scalia await.
Exactly right. They are pretty close now and don’t think they wont do it with a little bit more of a nudge.
Republicans don’t want the government to be any part of your life.
Except where their religion tells them to. Then its perfectly OK.
Michael H. Smith
May 29th, 2012
4:22 pm
By the way… 2010?
How’d that work out for the donkey jockeys in Vegas… just saying.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
4:22 pm
It looks like the “regulating sex” concept touched a nerve.
We libs have found our talking points for the coming weeks!
Just saying..
May 29th, 2012
4:24 pm
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
4:00 pm
stands @ 3:36: And yet…abortion remains legal.
What has changed that Romney, considered (by everyone but the Obama campaign) as not so socially conservative, would suddenly do what born-again Christian George W. Bush didn’t?
News: Because he bends which ever way the wind blows, Kyle. Have you noticed that the Republican Party is a bit more conservative that it was in ‘04 & ‘08?
Or did I miss W campaigning as “severely conservative”?
Michael H. Smith
May 29th, 2012
4:27 pm
Exactly right. They are pretty close now and don’t think they wont do it with a little bit more of a nudge.
Exactly right. “We” are pretty close now and don’t think “we” wont do it with one more Conservative Supreme Court Judge.
There, I corrected your errata for you.
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
4:30 pm
I guess we libs will have to get the Black Panthers to the voting booths in November to scare away the white conservatives. All 4 of them!
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
May 29th, 2012
4:31 pm
Meanwhile you’ve got Cheesy Grits running around with Donald Trump.
What a freak show.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
4:32 pm
“Silly me when a candidate promises to “to overturn Roe v. Wade” as Romney did I stop worrying about how to interrupt his intentions and go with the simplest explanation…he means what he says.”
Please provide the quote where ROMNEY said he’d overturn Roe v. Wade.
Then tell me how you can make the “Romney is a flip-flopper and doesn’t stand for anything” argument followed by the “he means what he says” argument, JDW.
You want it both ways, but you cannot have it both ways.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
4:33 pm
@Kyle…”Rick Santorum lost…handily…in large part because of the kinds of quotes you mentioned.”
And yet every Republican candidate has some agenda on sex related issues. For a party that preaches reduced government involvement everyone of them want government involved in the bedroom.
As for the reasons Santorum lost…funding, funding and more funding. Had he gotten an early enough start he might well have won…yet another reason to fear the Republicans.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
4:35 pm
@Tiberius…”Please provide the quote where ROMNEY said he’d overturn Roe v. Wade.”
Here you can watch him argue both sides….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAuwuLse1Gg
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
4:39 pm
“As for the reasons Santorum lost…funding, funding and more funding. Had he gotten an early enough start he might well have won”
Don’t quit your day job and become a political analyst, JDW.
Just sayin’ . . .
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
4:40 pm
JDW: Explain how not wanting to subsidize birth control pills qualifies as wanting “government involved in the bedroom.”
Michael H. Smith
May 29th, 2012
4:41 pm
Conservative talking points remain on the same raw liberal nerve:
ITS OBUMER’S FAILED ECONOMY STUPID!
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
4:45 pm
So you think that Romney saying he’d like the SCOTUS to overturn Roe v. Wade is the same as saying he’d overturn Roe v. Wade, JDW?
News flash!
It isn’t.
One is accomplished through legislation and one is accomplished through the judiciary. And the judiciary, despite what conservatives may think, is not going to overturn settled law such as Roe v. Wade.
btw, Roe v. Wade is bad law (imo) only in that it takes a states rights issue and makes it a Federal issue.
Rafe Hollister- trying to save the Choom Gang
May 29th, 2012
4:46 pm
But tell me again- when is Obama coming for our guns?
saywhat
You man Barry gave you the answer, he said he would have “more flexibility” after this election. He thinks he is going to win, I don’t think so.
He was actually coming for our guns when he and his bud Eric Holder hatched Fast and Furious, but that didn’t work out so well. Ask S/A Brian Terry’s family for verification.
ragnar danneskjold
May 29th, 2012
4:46 pm
The election will be fear of the devil one knows – Obama – versus fear of the unknown. As Obama is officially the worst ever – at least, so far – it is an easy decision to vote for someone with a little business competence.
Jefferson
May 29th, 2012
4:49 pm
Kyle, you keep bringing up the war on women, 4:40.
Michael H. Smith
May 29th, 2012
4:50 pm
Kyle Wingfield @4:40 pm
Only in the irrational logic of the liberal mind can refusing an abortion on demand for any reason and making a legal distinction of the unique relationship that exist in the union between a man and a woman be explained.
md
May 29th, 2012
4:57 pm
“but I recognize that the mess was largely of his own making.”
And there in lies the problem, as many on that side of the fence can’t see that……
And he didn’t learn his lesson on Gates as he turned right around and did it again in the Martin case…..
iggy
May 29th, 2012
4:57 pm
Finn McCool
May 29th, 2012
4:30 pm
I believe that would be “New Black Panthers.” Sorry Finn but Im forced to put a frowny face beside your name on the employee of the day calendar.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
4:58 pm
@Kyle…”Explain how not wanting to subsidize birth control pills qualifies as wanting “government involved in the bedroom.””
And I suppose you think that Republicans wanting to deny people birth control doesn’t constitute an intrusion in the bedroom…even though such a stance likely costs more money than it saves.
md
May 29th, 2012
5:00 pm
“And yet every Republican candidate has some agenda on sex related issues. For a party that preaches reduced government involvement everyone of them want government involved in the bedroom.”
Amazingly enough, there are many in the country that do not view abortion as a sex related issue…..for me, it is purely a “life” related issue with a basis in science…….the entire issue depends on definitions………..
iggy
May 29th, 2012
5:02 pm
“even though such a stance likely costs more money than it saves.”
Highly doubtful Free or not there are those that are just too lazy to use or retrieve their free birth control or subsidized for that matter. These would be along the lines of the same sorry lot that refuse to work, scam every govt program available, vote for the libs and still whine and complain cuz they just cant seem to get a fair shake.
Awww…such a sad story. Its all the fault of the banks, big business, the blue meanies, stock brokers, the big bad insurance company, used car lots, predatory lenders, grocery store clerks selling rotten melons, the neighbors cat and that swindler of swindlers, Toms Aardvark.
md
May 29th, 2012
5:05 pm
“And I suppose you think that Republicans wanting to deny people birth control doesn’t constitute an intrusion in the bedroom…”
There’s a huge difference between “denying birth control” and “having others pay for birth control”….
md
May 29th, 2012
5:08 pm
“even though such a stance likely costs more money than it saves.”
Irrelevant……putting “fat” America on a diet would also save billions in healthcare…..but I’m certainly not in favor of regulating those choices……As would limiting drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, etc etc….
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
5:09 pm
JDW: Nice of you to try to change the subject to money.
But your suspicions are correct: I do not believe that not subsidizing something is the same thing as denying it to them, and I do not think that not subsidizing birth control is the same thing as intruding in the bedroom.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
May 29th, 2012
5:38 pm
Libtards are so pathetic that the taxpayer not paying for their condoms is the same as denying them condoms.
md
May 29th, 2012
5:41 pm
“Libtards are so pathetic that the taxpayer not paying for their condoms is the same as denying them condoms.”
Sadly seems to be the case on numerous issues……
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
6:07 pm
Kyle: “He supports efforts to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage.” This is actually true. But, as a senior White House adviser, Plouffe surely knows presidents aren’t involved in the amendment process.
“But?” There should be no “but.” Plouffe talked about Romney’s position on the matter. That the president is not involved in the process is immaterial. It would be different had Plouffe claimed that Romney promised he would actually take some action.
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
6:08 pm
Well, so what’s new? Nothing really.
The liberal commune members here have first attacked Kyle as their first duty and then on to demonize Romney.
Ho hum…same old party line excuses, accusations, Bushdidits, sex, women, my bedroom,…all so we will forget the HUGE deficit hanging over the USA It has grown larger with Obama. Mucccch larger.
The FDR /stimulus approach aint working! Nothing is working, including Obama except on his re-election circuit. That is not to be mentioned but there it is! He’s the president,,, in case you’ve been visiting the WhiteHouse and couldn’t find anybody. .
Carry on , my liberal lovlies! A fair and honest view (!) from the commune tomorrow with some new lines would be a nice change.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
6:10 pm
“And I suppose you think that Republicans wanting to deny people birth control doesn’t constitute an intrusion in the bedroom”
No, it is an intrusion into MY WALLET, JDW.
NOT an intrusion into the bedroom.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
6:15 pm
MarkV: As is clear from the NY Mag story, the context for Plouffe’s reference to the gay-marriage constitutional amendment was:
“We’re gonna say, ‘Let’s be clear what he would do as president‘ ” (emphasis added).
So you’re trying to draw a distinction without a difference.
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
6:21 pm
MarkV,
You explained your position quite well @6:08.
The trouble is, you seem to have forgotten the political method of “planting an idea”. That is,you don’t have to quote an opposing candidate. You just suggest that is what he is “going” to do or say.. Then you have planted the idea and still have a retreat (I didn’t actually say that Romney said that).
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
6:23 pm
Kyle Wingfield @6:15 pm “We’re gonna say, ‘Let’s be clear what he would do as president‘ ” (emphasis added). So you’re trying to draw a distinction without a difference.”
Nonsense. His words about Romney were clear: “He supports efforts to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage.” You cannot change that.
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
6:23 pm
Kyle: “He’s far right on immigration.” During the primaries, Romney described his policies toward illegal immigrants already living in the U.S. as one which would encourage “self-deportation” by making it harder for them to make a living from the shadows. The Obama administration, however, constantly touts the large number of illegal immigrants whom it has deported over the past three years. Does that put Obama on the far-far right on immigration?”
No, it does not. There is a world of difference between deporting illegal immigrant based on selected criteria, and forcing ”self-deportation” of some 12 million. In addition, the “record numbers” deported under Obama is only technically correct, and does not represent any spectacular increase.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
6:25 pm
“So you’re trying to draw a distinction without a difference.”
Other people would say MaryV is grasping at straws, Kyle.
yuzeyurbrane
May 29th, 2012
6:28 pm
Unfortunately, it will be a fear campaign. . . by both sides. That is a direct result of the Republicans choosing to be the “Party of No” and then having the chutzpah for campaigning against Obama as a President of few accomplishments. It like a man who murders his parents and then asks to be acquitted because he is an orphan. The question will then be which side’s fear inducing claims are substantially based on facts and which side is merely pulling their “facts” out of their derriere. One need look no further than the clown show that passed for a Republican Presidential Primary and the retarded statements that came out of the candidates mouths to make a reasonable prediction of what the answer will be.
DawgDad
May 29th, 2012
6:30 pm
At the end of last week Illinois cut $1.6 BILLION from Medicaid, to help shore up a $2.7 BILLION shortcoming in a $15 Billion program. That’s a $1.6 BILLION cut in Medicaid funding in Obama’s home state, one of the bluest in the nation, directly impacting the poorest of the poor. THIS is the reality of “hope and change” – when the Dems run out of other people’s money they are harsher than ANY conservative.
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
6:31 pm
Dusty @6:21 pmUnfortunately, you have not explained what you had in mind that well. There was no problem of not quoting the opposing candidate and just “planting an idea.”. Romney is on record about supporting efforts to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage. There is no dispute about that. Kyle and others wanted to minimize that by saying, well, but he would not be involved in the amendment process. That is not the point. The candidate have positions, and we can make judgments about the positions regarding issues, and this is one of those.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
6:35 pm
Yes, by all means, MarkV, let’s ignore why Plouffe was talking about Romney’s stance on gay marriage in the first place.
You are a piece of work.
Kyle Wingfield
May 29th, 2012
6:36 pm
yuze: So why isn’t Obama campaigning on his “accomplishments” in the first half of his term, when Republican opposition didn’t matter?
AmVet
May 29th, 2012
6:39 pm
Kyle, it is an irrefutable fact that the GOP – in the last few years alone – has waged a full scale legislative assault on women’s rights, equality and well-being.
Granted, Mitt Romney, a northeastern, moderate RINO (LOL) is not a depraved human being like Georgia’s own Terry England, but nonetheless, my claim stands on it’s own merits.
I can and have listed dozens of examples from South Dakota to Georgia to Montana to Pennsylvania to Washington DC, but to what end?
After all these women are sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis, right? And Rush wants their videos. (Yeah, I know, who is Rush Limbaugh? He certainly doesn’t represent millions of rank and file Republicans. LOL!)
By the end of 2011, 135 pieces of legislation had been passed out of 1100 introduced, and in 2012 alone over 30 new provisions or measures have already been enacted out of 944 bills introduced.
Even if could find and list all of them, it would not convince one Republican of the truth, I fear.
After all these are the Male Masters of the Uterus…
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Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
6:48 pm
“Kyle, it is an irrefutable fact that the GOP – in the last few years alone – has waged a full scale legislative assault on women’s rights, equality and well-being.”
Actually, it is VERY refutable. If you believe in reality rather than fantasy. And do not engage in persistent hyperbole.
“but nonetheless, my claim stands on it’s own merits.”
And yet, it really doesn’t.
“By the end of 2011, 135 pieces of legislation had been passed out of 1100 introduced, and in 2012 alone over 30 new provisions or measures have already been enacted out of 944 bills introduced.”
Cite, please? Because let’s face it; having 50 state legislatures creating 1100 different pieces of legislation on just one issue in only one year would be rather impossible, even if EVERY state had a GOP majority instead of the 27 which do. For you math minors out there like AmVet, that would be an average of 22 separate bills per state. Stating the obvious here, but even the most rabid of GOP legislators would be hard pressed to find 22 different things regarding women’s rights to try to curtail.
So basically, I’m calling BS (again) on AmVet’s post.
“Even if could find and list all of them”
Which means, obviously, that they do not exist.
Dave Francis
May 29th, 2012
6:50 pm
Whatever the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court relating to Arizona’s policing law (SB 1070), nobody is going to be very happy with the outcome? For years now the upper courts have placed the unfunded mandate burden of supporting the illegal alien invaders, which is costing eligible citizens and permanent residents their own public welfare? By law the courts have forced upon us to pay for their ‘foothold children, in education to K-12, health (so called emergency) treatments for the whole family. This is taking a huge chunk from the welfare system, so that it undermines the entitlements to our old, handicapped, mentally ill, homeless and even our troops that need extra care from war wounds. A foreign person who has numerous children, who has slyly worked the system, can gain low income housing, (Section
housing, then welcoming the whole family circle there—illegal and legal.
This is a disgusting situation when birthright citizens and naturalized citizens should be the first priority, but instead the state governments have allowed illegal migrants and immigrants to apply for welfare on a massive scale, unprecedented since before Ronald Reagan signed an all purpose amnesty into law during 1986. There were some reasonable assertions of fairness before 1987, when every country had a fair quota, but now it’s a free for all. There is no conclusion to the illegal immigration occupation, because whether you have some credence that the numbers have slowed to a crawl or not, 20 million plus still remain, with unknown numbers of criminals who have slipped past the insecure fence or sneaking through to America on international flights.
A battle will ensure, no matter the final outcome of Arizona’s (SD.70), as the illegal immigration will keep coming and when the $113 billion dollar, 50 state payout will rise. Everybody understand the need for skilled workers known as ‘STEM’ workers (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) from foreign countries, who have earned a right to immigrate to any country that needs their special experience? But what we don’t need and cannot afford is people coming here, taking the jobs of our children and the millions of Americans who are just scraping by. Mitt Romney, who may become president and Senator Marco Rubio who could become the running mate, need to comprehend that there promises of enacting laws of bringing to a halt to illegal immigration is not going away and will be very prevalent come the election in November.
The Tea Party has no intentions of allowing any Comprehensive Immigration reform, when the last time was full of fraudulent applications. The time has come to clear both the Senate and House, of politicians having no qualms in passing another amnesty or the Democratic Dream Act. Senator’s as Harry Reid needs be ‘put out to pasture’. This has already happened when Tea Party State Treasurer Mourdock unseated Indiana Senator Richard Lugar, as he had approved of illegal alien amnesty. Senator Lugar believed that illegal immigrants should have the same rights as citizens and law-abiding legal residents. Moudock stated that he will fight to secure our borders and ensure that taxpayer dollars are spent only on those legally allowed to live in the United States. Lugar had a long record of fighting for amnesty for illegal immigrants and was a primary sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would have fast-tracked amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants nationwide. Never before has a political membership in modern times, sprouted with such gigantic influence from the Republican Party in the millions. Liberal Democrats have a fight on their hands, from the Tea Party roots in our Democracy, founded on the U.S. constitution and representing all the people, not just the special interests.
For those American citizens, legal residents that are against the further pampering of illegal aliens and the astronomical costs out of taxpayers’ pockets, go to the sovereignty web site of ALIPAC, to see those in Congress who have been endorsed and also represent the Tea Party in oncoming elections. To also remember that Illegal aliens (non citizens) DO and HAVE voted in the past and will in future elections, so we must be vigilant, specifically in Blue Democrat states, with the hard core liberal backers. Florida is a great example of 129.000 non citizens on the voter rolls. Many states still have their voting based on trust and the integrity of the system, but alas, it has been compromised in many states. The only chance we have against voter fraud is that every person show a form of governmental picture ID.
Our immigration laws have been a mockery for far too long, and must be grind to a halt. By the end of June we will know if the legal populace comes first or if unfunded mandates are further going to be magnified by the courts, so illegal aliens attain the same rights as ourselves. All 50 states are confronted by billions of dollars to pay for illegal immigration in public welfare. The cost to Alabama for Costs for Illegal Aliens as studied by The Federation of American Immigration Reform (FAIRUS) it was $2.7 billion dollars owing to the growing illegal alien population. But of course nobody knows the true amount as figures for population and the costs to support these people are kept under wraps. In Texas there have been harsh words rebounding between David Dewhurst and Ted Cruz about illegal immigration, a report overshadows the latest Census data indicates Texas’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers more than $4.7 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to more than $3.7 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden amounts to about $725 per Texas household headed by a native-born resident. EVERY AMERICAN WHO PAYS HIS/HER TAXES SHOULD VIEW HOW MUCH IS BEING SPENT ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? NOT GOVERNMENT AGENCY DOLLARS AS THEY ARE UNDERCOUNTED, BUT AT NUMBERSUSA, THE FEDERATION OF IMMIGRATION REFORM OR THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION.
Repeating that any thoughts of gaining passage of Amnesty by either party will condemn the majority of states to even more need for health care treatments, hospital inpatients for dialysis and serious surgeries all for free? These are more costs dumped eventually on taxpayers of uncompensated care from the central government. Awarding education for hundreds of thousands of illegal children, who can claim citizenship under a very shaky law, which is destined to reach the Congress thanks to Rep. Steve King? In less than 15 years are schools are overrun by illegal children who cannot speak English, necessitating more time spent by teachers and therefore affecting the failing grades across the country in education.
Senator Harry Reid of Nevada must go. Not only has he derailed an amendment to stop illegal aliens living in this country, receiving mostly fraudulent IRS child tax reimbursement, to the tune 0f 4.2 billion dollars, he has done nothing to halt the influx of foreign nationals occupying Nevada. The tired old lawmaker has guaranteed that those working in this country illegally will be sustain in receiving billions of dollars in tax reimbursement for children that are not even present in this country. He is responsible for stopping ICE from raiding the building construction sites, but clandestine inviting mass illegal aliens into the state. The TEA PARTY must attach to his seat a new young Senate leader in his place, as he is just one of the liberal-Democrats, involved in wrecking this country’s economic return. According to (FAIRUS) Nevada’s Foreign-born population has grown by 61 percent. In 2008, the foreign-born population in Nevada represented nearly one in every five residents (19.6%), and illegal aliens constitute nearly one in every twelve residents (8.1%). FAIR estimates that the annual fiscal burden on Nevada taxpayers associated with illegal immigration to be about $630 million. This equates to an annual average cost of about $763 per native-born headed household in the state. In addition, there is a cost to the state’s economy resulting from remittances sent abroad that amounted to $618 million in 2006.
There are obstacles in Washington by both sides of Congress, but even so 87 bipartisan sponsors Birthright Citizenship law by amending its wrong purpose. Similar is to mandate the very controversial E-verify bill (The Legal Workforce Act), that instead of voluntary for businesses, so it becomes the rule of the land. That every business, no matter how large and small must authenticate their workers, showing they are eligible to work in the United States. E-Verify would open up more than 7 million jobs for American citizens and legal residents.
Many of those empty spots would go to seasonal jobs for teenagers and legal Hispanics, making their hope for a better future a reality.
This is a very strength of every voter, to stop the continuation of these wrongly enacted laws, to amend Birthright Citizenship, so one parent must be a U.S. citizen, by birth or naturalization. The fact of great concern is the influx of illegal alien expectant females are procuring even more billions of dollars in education and schooling for their children, once stepping on to U.S. soil, or disguising their pregnancy when alighting from aircraft, with a design to take advantage of the ‘Birthright Citizenship’ (H.R.140) law badly manipulated from its original intent.
The Obama administration stands down from proceeding with large scale ICE raids or the deportation of all individuals. Years of complete apathy by both political parties to securing the borders, interior ‘seek and detain’ has allowed large influxes of criminal illegal aliens, with many reentering time and time again. America has become a victim of Washington lax response and failed dismally—intentionally or not—to stop the human scum, bringing their criminal acts; more so the drunken driver revolution of hit and runs, who abscond mostly across our Southern border.
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
6:52 pm
Kyle Wingfield @6:35 pm: “Yes, by all means, MarkV, let’s ignore why Plouffe was talking about Romney’s stance on gay marriage in the first place. “You are a piece of work.”
Kyle,
Just like others on your side on this blog, when you are in the corner, you resort to insults. I was commenting on what you have written. You reported that Plouffe said, ““We’re gonna say, ‘Let’s be clear what he would do as president,’ ”… “He supports efforts to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage.”
By no stretch of imagination you can convert that into a claim that Plouffe claimed that Romney would be involved in the amendment process, which you disingenuously suggested he did. Piece of work? Look into a mirror.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
6:57 pm
Dave Francis, I suggest you read the rules on cutting and pasting others work.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
6:59 pm
MaryV is simply arguing for argument’s sake.
AmVet
May 29th, 2012
7:06 pm
Wow!
What a shocker!
A Pavlovian response from the hater towards yours truly?!
Will wonders never cease.
Are you a big Terry England fan, Dave?
Or are women a step up from farm animals for you?
LOL…
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
7:07 pm
Oh Plouffe, MarkV
I think he planted an idea but I think your ideas are already planted. You certainly don’t have much use for the ideas of anyone else.
Now open Sesame!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
May 29th, 2012
7:09 pm
It’s pretty clear from the level of vitriol and frantic-ness of the Obozo receptacles here that they are very, very worried. And that’s a good thing.
When Obozo loses, America wins.
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
7:11 pm
Dusty @7:07 pm: “I think he planted an idea.”
Dusty,
Would you please explain who “planted an idea?”
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
7:12 pm
“Are you a big Terry England fan, Dave?”
First of all, don’t know who he is, nor do I care who he is.
Second of all, the name is Tiberius.
Third, you have failed to cite your quote, both a violation of Kyle’s rules and a deflection on your part.
Try again, sweetie.
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
7:16 pm
AmVet,
Please don’t speak for women of the GOP. You aren’t one in the first place.
I doubt that you know many conservative women. Well, I do and none of them are worred about their “rights” as a female. with a Republican. And don’t worry about our age We are a variety; mothers, daughters and grand daughters.
Mind your own business. We will take care of ours.
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
7:22 pm
MarkV
Please check the second word in my post. Seems you missed it. And “open Sesame” refers to the mind. Yours. So you can see what politicians try to do. It isn’t all factual!
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
7:27 pm
Dusty @7:22 pm
Dusty,
I you want to be taken seriously, then write seriously. If you claim that somebody “planted an idea,” then explain openly who according to you planted what idea.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
7:44 pm
“I you want to be taken seriously, then write seriously.”
Pot – calling kettle!
Bullet County
May 29th, 2012
8:00 pm
Fear: where’s the birth certificate Kyle?
AmVet
May 29th, 2012
8:02 pm
Dave, were you a narc in a previous life?
Dusty, follow your own advice and keep your nose where it belongs.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
8:22 pm
Amazing how the one-note-wonder known as AmVet can’t seem to come up with a cite for his nonsense.
Liar.
Rafe Hollister- trying to save the Choom Gang
May 29th, 2012
8:27 pm
MarkV
You would have nothing to say if you were not parsing words, picking nits, and redefining words that do not need redefining. I agree with Tiberius, you just argue for arguments sake.
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
8:51 pm
Rafe Hollister @8:27 pm
Agreeing with the infantility of Tiberius is hardly worth mentioning.
Kyle has made Plouffe’s statement regarding Romney’s support for amendment to the Constitution to ban gay marriage one of the four points in his critique. I have no desire to debate it with you, because you clearly do not even understand the words you are using, such as parsing and redefining. Instead of making a rational point you only attack for the sake of attacking.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
8:57 pm
“Instead of making a rational point you only attack for the sake of attacking.”
Pot – calling kettle (again) !
The next cogent argument MaryV makes will be her first cogent argument.
Today’s Rebellion News – May 29th 2012 | Rebellion News
May 29th, 2012
9:00 pm
[...] 2012 Tuesday: Obama officially ditches Hope for Fear [...]
yuzeyurbrane
May 29th, 2012
9:03 pm
Kyle, by the time of the 2010 mid-term elections, I presume you accept my argument. Even then, you overrate the Democrats’ advantage in the first 2 years of Obama’s term. I will admit that Mitch McConnell carried a lot more of the water for the Party of No in that time frame when he announced in advance of Obama’s inauguration that he intended to oppose everything from the new President. And he was quite successful in changing the Senate from a body that almost always ruled by majority vote to one that now required a 69% super-majority to pass legislation. But as implied by the criticism of the Tea Party and many other Republicans, there were quite a few significant accomplishments during the first 2 years, not the least of which were saving the economy from going down the toilet and passing legislation for the first time for affordable quality healthcare for almost all Americans. Not to even mention fulfilling campaign promises to wind down the Iraq war and end “don’t ask, don’t tell”. Now, I don’t fault you and others for disagreeing about these items on their merits, but to imply they were not significant is absurd. The last 2 years has been a depressing battle to protect his gains for the American from attack by an opposition, many of whom could arguably not even be labeled a loyal opposition since they even continue to attack his legitimacy or that of any Democrat. We have all witnessed Romney’s attack machine in the Republican Primaries and the outright lies floated by birthers and other extremists financed by SuperPac billionaires. Kyle, you are too sophisticated politically to really think that this is a time for President Obama and the Democrats to unilaterally forego pointing out why Obama is a better choice than Romney. I, too, wish it could be all positive by both sides, but that is just not going to happen when 1 side has a take no prisoners attitude.
yuzeyurbrane
May 29th, 2012
9:06 pm
Sorry for typo, should be “60% super-majority”.
stands for decibels
May 29th, 2012
9:07 pm
What has changed that Romney, considered (by everyone but the Obama campaign) as not so socially conservative, would suddenly do what born-again Christian George W. Bush didn’t?
Easy. There’s a buttload more desperation among the conservative base than there was back when they were relatively fat and happy in 2004; there is a palpable fear among the right wing that as they slip into demographic irrelevance, it’s now-or-never to get their social agenda chiseled into granite.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
9:08 pm
yuzeyurbrane, if Obama’s accomplishments were so significant, why isn’t he running on them?
Because he’s not.
That’s because they weren’t so significant to many people.
@@
May 29th, 2012
9:09 pm
Hoping for change.
Confidence among U.S. consumers unexpectedly fell in May to the lowest level in four months as optimism about employment prospects faded.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
9:26 pm
“Confidence among U.S. consumers unexpectedly fell in May to the lowest level in four months as optimism about employment prospects faded.”
Unexpectedly for this administration, but not for those of us watching the retail markets.
MarkV
May 29th, 2012
9:26 pm
Tiberius @ 8:57 pm
Tiberius’ infantility demonstrated.
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 29th, 2012
9:35 pm
Still waiting, MaryV. . . . .
For anything relevant or accurate from you.
Tiberiius - Banned from Common Sense
May 29th, 2012
10:00 pm
I have my Magic Underpants at the cleaners….
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
10:03 pm
GOOD NEWS!!
THE BRAVES WON !!! Only by one point but they won!! Maybe the slump is over at last! GO BRAVES!!!
ODD OWL
May 29th, 2012
10:06 pm
Mr. Wingfield… Every charge lodged against Mittens Romney by the White House and the Democrats is true… Plus you can add to that lists Romney’s character flaws for gallivanting around with that bloviating ignoranmus, Donald Trump…
JDW
May 29th, 2012
10:22 pm
@Kyle…the system is holding my posts again….must be something in the filters.
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
10:31 pm
ODD OWL,
You are an odd one. The White House is supposed to be running an election campaign, not a smear effort. The only way Democrats want to campaign is to ignore the president’s faulty record in office and try and smear Romney. But Romney’s record is good! Outstanding in fact. Democratic nitpicking does not change that.
Trying to insult Donald Trump may be a fun game for Democrats, but the man is a well known business man, entrepreneur and entertainer. He did not get that way by being stupid. Only the gullible such as you think being successful is disgraceful.
JDW
May 29th, 2012
10:39 pm
@Dusty…”The White House is supposed to be running an election campaign, not a smear effort. ”
My guess is they would be happy to do so, however one must fight fire with fire. Just ask John Kerry.
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
11:08 pm
JDW 10:39
You didn’t mention Kerry, did you? Yes you did but I don’t know why. He made the biggest bluff of a campaign that I can remember. Everything from “enlarging ” his military record to lying about his protest at the White House (”I threw MY medals over the fence.” He still had them.) Americans knew he was not a leader.
Fight fire with fire??? If Republicans had fought vengeful Democrats in the same manner as Bush received, there would have been a lot of fires. I guess you don’t remember counterfeit war records made by Dems, slurs on Bush’s military records as a pilot, calling his wife a murderer after an auto accident in her teens, protesting his vacation home continuously in Crawford, and overlooking his strong actions after 9/11 and accusing his home protective measures as spy techniques. Those are just a few of the Democratic endeavors.
Don’t mention “fire with fire” to me about Democrats. It is too sadly rediculous in its blatant absurdity to even be in history, a black mark of the times.
JKL2
May 29th, 2012
11:18 pm
The evil Republicans want to get rid of women, minorities, homosexuals, immigrants, welfare, social security, and healthcare for personal greed, to destroy the planet, poison your children, help give tax breaks for their fat cat wll street/banker/big oil/war mongering buddies.
It’s real shame they can’t run a positive campaign like obama. Free money for everyone!
Nothing but reainbows and unicorns here in obamaland
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
11:25 pm
Well, MarkV has probably left.
MarkV, for some reason, you do not seem to absorb exactly what you are reading. For example, If the second word I mention in a blog opening is the name of the character in discussion, don’t you think that is whom I am talking about.? Also I told you the second word was the one I was discussing. OH well. I do think you organize your thoughts quite well even though I don’t always agree. Yuo being a “blind liberal” trips me up usually.
Yes, sometimes I”m serious and sometimes I’m not. Depends on how bored I get. Everything is not terribly entertaining . Not my posts either. So you will just have to guess which way I am going or just skip it. OK?
By the way, I had TWO raccoons in the yard tonight, finishing off the cat food. Two big raccoons. A ‘possum came later but nothing was left for him. Life is wild here in the city!
Dusty
May 29th, 2012
11:48 pm
JKL2 11:18
You made me laugh. But Democrats are so spoiled.
They don’t even like grits.
I guess they were not “brought up” right.
G’nite…
bigstick
May 30th, 2012
12:11 am
Go f uck yourself. The Republican platform is nothing but fear and fear and loathing of the the “other” From 911 to immigration to same sex marriage and mysterious never found WMDs,everything out there is fair game for a terror alert for Republican candidates. A scared, uneducated base is what the GOP is built upon.
magicunderwear
May 30th, 2012
12:12 am
When I’m elected there will be 6 sister-wives and a chicken in the pot in every household!
ld
May 30th, 2012
12:16 am
The GOP fear is that the truth will get out?
ODD OWL
May 30th, 2012
12:48 am
@ Dusty…. Calm down… You’re bloviating…. You also fail to mention the facts that Bush/Cheney perpetrated a coup d’etat and stole the presidency in 2000 and again in 2004 when Ken Blackwell prevented tens of thousands of Democrats from voting in Ohio… The Bush/Cheney/Romney Regime screwed up the economy, causing American workers to lose their jobs at the rate of 750.000 a MONTH… P.S. You call that bloviating ignoranmus, Donald Trump an astute business man ??? Well let me enlighten you… Donald Trump is a miserable failure in business… Trump has filed for bankruptcy at least 8 times in the last 25 years… The question on the table is; why do banks continue to loan Trump money to re-finance after all of those bankruptcies ??? Donald trump’s credit score must be below 400…Trump is a birther and Romney is a liar…
Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!
May 30th, 2012
6:26 am
“Donald Trump is a miserable failure in business”
What is it with libs and their failure to embrace reality?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
May 30th, 2012
7:02 am
Dusty: GOOD NEWS!!
THE BRAVES WON !!! Only by one point but they won!!
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Love the enthusiasm…but they don’t have points in baseball, they have runs!
md
May 30th, 2012
7:58 am
“The Republican platform is nothing but fear and fear and loathing of the the “other” From 911 to immigration to same sex marriage and mysterious never found WMDs,everything out there is fair game for a terror alert for Republican candidates.”
Thanks for the chuckle……a bit humorous after watching the other guys run commercials of wheel chairs going over cliffs and preaching such things as “and they want dirty air and water”………
yuzeyurbrane
May 30th, 2012
10:52 am
Tiberius, the fact that you and other conservatives get so upset by his early legislative successes is proof enough that they were significant even to you and your friends.
MarkV
May 30th, 2012
10:54 am
Dusty @11:25 pm
Dusty,
Your post about me not absorbing what I read made me chuckle. YOU are telling me that? You, who hardly absorbs anything? When you told me about the second word, I followed by asking you who planted WHAT idea, just to make sure you put both in the same sentence. Naturally, you failed to answer.
Mind you, I have no objections (it is not up to me to have them, anyway) to your treating this blog as a combination of a coffee-klatch and place to bellyache about Obama and liberals. I even enjoy the former from time to time. But I hope you are not mistaking your posts with discussions. It is certainly not a discussion making pithy statements, personal attacks and insinuations based on some
preposterous “insights” into what I think and what I believe.
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We have raccoons quite often around the house at night. But they leave when they find all garbage secure. Have not seen a possum lately, but they are no strangers here either. The second crop of bluebirds just fledged out.
Grob Hahn
May 30th, 2012
11:50 am
Calling the Tea Party “Terrorists” is easily as moronic as calling white people “Racists”. To refer to an entire race as being racist is itself a bigoted act of racism. But calling Tea Party member terrorists is beyond stupid. Name a genuinely “terrorist” act they have committed? What KIND of morons do we have on that side of American politics to say such a thing?
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