Poll Position: Casino gambling for education?

Last week, the executive committee of the Georgia GOP approved five questions to be placed on the party’s July 31 primary ballot. Ballot questions from the Democratic Party of Georgia are forthcoming. So, if you vote in this summer’s primaries, the T-SPLOST won’t be the only policy question you get to tackle.

The most surprising question to come out of the GOP concerns casino gambling. The question will read:

Should Georgia have casino gambling with funds going to education?

It will be the first time in 20 years — since the referendum that paved the way for the lottery and, in turn, the HOPE scholarship — that the issue of gambling has been on Georgia ballots. This one won’t be binding but the result, and how it comes to be used by policy makers, will be very intriguing. All the more so because it’s unclear who wanted the question put on the ballot: casino friends or casino foes.

Should Georgia have casino gambling with funds going to education?

  • Yes (103 Votes)
  • No (25 Votes)
  • Undecided (3 Votes)

Total Voters: 131

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My guess is that the friends are behind it. Peach Pundit’s Charlie Harper theorizes that Republican state leaders who are reluctant to irritate social conservatives by publicly supporting an expansion of gambling would use a resounding “yes” vote as an excuse “to either support or ‘look the other way’ on the approval of video casino gaming operated by the Georgia Lottery Corporation.” (The Georgia Lottery Corporation has the authority to expand gambling but is loath to do so without the explicit or implicit support of the governor and other high-ranking officials.)

So, this week’s Poll Position question is the same one Georgia Republican voters will face in July: Should Georgia have casino gambling with funds going to education? Answer in the nearby poll and in the comments thread below.

(Note: This is the first in an occasional series of Poll Position posts between now and July 31 that will address questions on the Republican and/or Democratic primary ballots.)

– By Kyle Wingfield

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105 comments Add your comment

Mavis Beacon Teaches Civics

May 25th, 2012
9:48 am

Speaking of Gamling, this nation took a “gamble” in the 2008 Presidential Election.

This nation lost its shirt.

Consider that a Educational Event.

Mavis Beacon Teaches Civics

May 25th, 2012
9:49 am

If we have casino gambling in Georgia, why would we ever want to take a long weekend to Mississippi or North Carolina to get “scalped” in the casinos there?

Metro Coach

May 25th, 2012
9:56 am

To be clear, are we talking about video machines only, a la the Harrah’s in Cherokee, or are we talking table gaming as well? If we’re talking table gaming then this conservative is all for it, but if its just those stupid video poker machines then I’d say no.

Mavis Beacon Teaches Driver's Ed

May 25th, 2012
10:02 am

Seriously, will allowing gambling for education in Georgia really even make the smallest of differences in Democrat-run, educational cesspools like the Clayton County School System?

iggy

May 25th, 2012
10:05 am

This is a pig in a poke.

Jefferson

May 25th, 2012
10:05 am

Metro, I agree real casinos have dealers. Slot were invented for something to occupy the girlfriends time while cards were being played or dice were rolled.

Why the control factor for education, gov’t intervention ? Money will change philosophies, I guess. Regulate for fairness, but that’s about it.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

May 25th, 2012
10:06 am

First they should teach the kids not to gamble, just sayin…

iggy

May 25th, 2012
10:09 am

The odds of winning at gambling, lotto tickets, etc are strongly rigged towards the “house”. As PT Barnum states…”There is a SUCKER born every minute” and “never give one an even break.”

and

A fool and his money are soon parted.

grated

May 25th, 2012
10:13 am

This reminds me of the time I got kicked out of an Indian Gambling Casino (and beaten up) for counting coup.

Joe the Prophet

May 25th, 2012
10:15 am

At what point do Conservatives apply actual Biblical legitimacy to their actions…!?!??

When you condemn homosexuality and abortion based on morality and scripture….and then condone things like polytheism and false idoltry and hypocrisy……

I don’t judge…but my guess is that it makes God sad…..I don’t judge…but I do wonder if Katrina, Rita, and a tornado or two may be a sign……

@@

May 25th, 2012
10:20 am

Because HOPE is vanishing, we’re now going to supplement it with gambling?

Far be in from me to prevent folks (see poor) from gambling away their children’s future in HOPE that they can gain one.

Failure begets failure.

Kyle Wingfield

May 25th, 2012
10:22 am

Metro Coach @ 9:56: Congratulations, you’ve identified one of the nebulous parts of the question. Who can spot the other one?

Kyle Wingfield

May 25th, 2012
10:22 am

Btw, video poker machines are the most commonly discussed option.

Kyle Wingfield

May 25th, 2012
10:23 am

@@: You’re making an assumption. See my 10:22.

Mavis Beacon Teaches Driver's Ed

May 25th, 2012
10:29 am

Have we not historically seen enough evidence of the what the 0bama-worshipping crooks running such entities in municipalities such as Clayton County or even New Orleans do when you give them more and more money that are SUPPOSED TO BE for the public trust?

Mavis Beacon Teaches Driver's Ed

May 25th, 2012
10:31 am

Anything run by the government turns into manure.

iggy

May 25th, 2012
10:33 am

RIta? Oh you mean the Meter Maid. Now it makes sense.

iggy

May 25th, 2012
10:34 am

Agreed Mavis. The only problem is the most people have been fooled into thinking manure is fertilizer. Case in point, ObaManure.

The fairness police

May 25th, 2012
10:37 am

“Regulate for fairness, but that’s about it.”- Jefferson

Fairness means different things to different people. Its always interesting when liberals like Jefferson think govt should regulate according to their idea of what “fairness” is. Get a clue Jefferson. Life aint fair. Deal with it.

Gambling revenue

May 25th, 2012
10:39 am

Gambling may be morally wrong but the fact of the matter is that its a tax on stupid people. And I’m all for taxing stupid people.

fil

May 25th, 2012
10:47 am

How bout Georgia should spent less on pet projects, entitlement programs, administrators, lining politicians pockets and more on education where the money should have gone in the 1st place!!

@@

May 25th, 2012
10:47 am

Kyle:

Did you just call me an a$$?

J/K

I’m struggling here.

Should Georgia have casino gambling with funds going to education?

They’re gonna steal from education funding to set up gambling?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

May 25th, 2012
10:48 am

I say stick a casino right up here at Lake Lanier Islands!

MrLiberty

May 25th, 2012
10:50 am

Sending your children to a government school is already enough of a gamble and a guaranteed losing bet for sure.

Casino gambling should be LEGAL period, with no strings attached. The freedom to dispose of one’s income in any manner one wishes should not be dependent on government permission. Anything less is slavery (but that is exactly how this country is run).

Jefferson

May 25th, 2012
10:51 am

Fairness in gambling mean square dice, no stacked decks… what a duckhead.

iggy

May 25th, 2012
10:52 am

Really Finn?

Wouldnt that cause more bridge traffic and make your home nearly uninhabitable?

@@

May 25th, 2012
10:54 am

If it is video machines they’re proposing, wouldn’t each individual business require a gaming license…which is, in essence, a fee/tax.

Still struggling.

@@

May 25th, 2012
10:57 am

Kyle has left me standing at the alter.

Not nice!

schnirt

Kyle Wingfield

May 25th, 2012
10:57 am

@@: No, you made an assumption about what kind of education spending the casino proceeds would fund…

Probably a correct assumption. But an assumption nonetheless.

yuzeyurbrane

May 25th, 2012
10:58 am

We thought Lottery proceeds were ironclad for education only but funds have been diverted for other uses anyway. There should be ironclad language, perhaps even a Constitutional Amendment, to prevent hanky-panky with the cash. For example, limits on merchant bonuses, staff compensation, an absolute minimum percent of gross revenues that goes to education with no diversion to corporate interests.

JB

May 25th, 2012
11:00 am

I visit Cherokee a lot to gamble. It’s roughly 21/2-3 hours drive from Atlanta, a pretty one at that. The folks that work the floor up there tell me at least HALF of their business is from Metro Atlanta. That millions going to them is revenue ( N.Carolina). I mean many millions, like 200,000. Now, they siad if Georgia ( Atlanta0 had this available, all these expansions would go to waste up here. We would be screwed…….I for one am glad I have to go there. I enjoy the mountains. Gambling at the old GM plant by I-285 would not the be same. If you haven’t been to Cherokee, you owe it to yourself to go. You will be shocked. With the latest expansion finished, it looks like Vegas in the mountains. Lot’s to do up there other than gamble….and the food has really improved. They have opened a Ruth Chris Steak House.

DannyX

May 25th, 2012
11:14 am

Anyone who voted YES is a socialist!

jconservative

May 25th, 2012
11:15 am

The question, if answered in the affirmative, would allow about any kind of gambling.

I see no reason why the state should not allow all kinds of gambling.

grated

May 25th, 2012
11:18 am

This entire issue explains why there’s no major league baseball team in Las Vegas. The umpires would keep getting thrown out of the game for counting balls and strikes, man. Its the same thing here in Georgia with the Cherokee Casinos, the Braves, and the effect both have on the quality of our student body generically, specifically, and mythologically.

The exact same thing.

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

May 25th, 2012
11:20 am

Now THERE’s a Republican bumpersticker –

Casino gambling for education! or
Casino gambling for Your Retirement! or
Casino gambling for Health Care! or
Casino gambling for the Social Safety Net!

Chuck

May 25th, 2012
11:22 am

I believe that we should alllow all forms of gambling in the state of Georgia. Not because I care about funding education, but because we are Americans and we are suppose to be FREE to do anything we want that does not infringe on the rights of others. The nanny state fans and the moronic bible thumpers are the ones that will prevent real gambling to be allowed in this state. It does not matter where the money goes, because you can be assured that the idiots at the capital will waste any money they get. It is abot FREEDOM, something that neither the Republicans or Democrats care a fig about.

iggy

May 25th, 2012
11:32 am

My interests lie in Cat Juggling competitions. These could be a financial windfall for the State.

ragnar danneskjold

May 25th, 2012
11:38 am

So far as I am concerned, the question is identical to one phrased, “should Georgia license the sale of cocaine and methamphetamine to fund education?”

There are two fundamental problems with the proposal, both reflected in my hypothetical. Attaching a sweet smelling flower to the sewer pipe does not make the sewer pipe smell like a flower; dedicating some portion of casino funds to a noble cause such as government schools does not ennoble casinos.

More troubling, making a deal to allow “experts” to run a casino in exchange for some minor tribute payment to the government is a poor substitute for a more honest source of funding for government services, traditional taxation.

The proposals ought to be considered as two, each on its own merit: (1) Should Georgia permit operation of casinos? (2) Should funding for government schools be increased? Either may be meritorious, or not, but combining the two creates an unnecessary confusion of priorities. If you wish to operate casinos, send the government’s share to the general revenues of the treasury. If you wish to fund government schools at a different level, do it through the normal legislative procedures.

Jefferson

May 25th, 2012
11:46 am

Chuck, hell yea come on. With the parties its about control and agendas.

iggy

May 25th, 2012
11:46 am

” “should Georgia license the sale of cocaine”

If the quantities are correct per price and the quality is excellent I must vote a RESOUNDING YES!!

Chuck

May 25th, 2012
11:49 am

Meth, Crack, Smack and any other drug you can name, should be legal. If someone want to kill themselves with Meth and they do not impose on anyone else’s rights, then whose business is it to anyone else. The government place should not be to tell full grown adults what they can or can not do with their own bodies. Don’t tread on me, learn it, love it, leave it.

Chuck

May 25th, 2012
11:51 am

Nothing scares people in power, than true, real FREEDOM. It is what we are suppose to be about, but the fear just gets in too many people way.

Chuck

May 25th, 2012
11:52 am

add “more than” to the first line in my last post.

Kyle Wingfield

May 25th, 2012
11:56 am

Chuck @ 11:49: And are we going to tax the dead crack-head to pay for cleaning up his corpse, or let him do the clean-up himself?

Chuck

May 25th, 2012
12:00 pm

Stray dogs need to eat too. Just kidding, We will have to clean up his corpse whether the drug was legal or not.

Ray

May 25th, 2012
12:00 pm

The Govenor should quit pushing casino development, behind closed doors. He is not fooling anyone.

Hillbilly D

May 25th, 2012
12:04 pm

We thought Lottery proceeds were ironclad for education only but funds have been diverted for other uses anyway.

Nothing is ever iron clad when it comes to politicians and money. Also, what you want to bet somebody’s buddy gets the casino license?

The games are set up for the house to win, so in my mind, it’s not gambling anyway. Might as well flush your money down the commode. Same result and you never have to leave home.

Hillbilly D

May 25th, 2012
12:07 pm

If someone want to kill themselves with Meth and they do not impose on anyone else’s rights, then whose business is it to anyone else.

Meth is the big problem in my community. Let’s say you make it legal, where are they going to get the money to buy it, since they can’t hold down a job? They steal, which is the major source of crime in my community. I’ve seen the stuff destroy many families and Lord knows how many kids up here are in foster care, or should be in other cases, because of the stuff.

Chuck

May 25th, 2012
12:18 pm

People are going to do drugs wether legal or not, just like people are going to gamble. The blackmarket we make by making things illegal are as dangerous or more so than if it was legal. The mafia got gaint because the mental midgets made alcohol illegal, same with gambling. You can get any drug you want right now as easy as buying a beer.I can take you to over 7 illegal poker rooms, within a few miles of each. These activities being illegal have not slowed them down.

Hillbilly D

May 25th, 2012
12:24 pm

People still kill each other, too. You’ll never stop it but I don’t think we should give in and make it legal.
Most everybody obeys the laws they want to and ignore the rest.