Catholic groups sue to overturn Obama’s contraception mandate

If you thought the Catholic Church and universities affiliated with it would quietly accept the Obama administration’s “compromise” for the contraception mandate, well, think again. From Fox News:

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit in federal district court Monday against the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their “fundamental rights hang in the balance,” a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months back softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

That “softened” position by the administration is nothing but an accounting fiction in which Catholic employers are supposed to pretend that insurance companies will pay for the procedures to which they object from some kind of mystery revenues beyond the employers’ contributions. These are not a bunch of ultra-conservative organizations: Notre Dame had President Obama as its commencement speaker three years ago.

The lawsuits ensure that the church will continue to hammer away at this issue throughout the election season. It is big-time self-inflicted wound for the Obama team.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
1:15 pm

Pay the lawyer, buy the pills, in that order.

ByteMe

May 21st, 2012
1:17 pm

It is big-time self-inflicted wound for the Obama team.

It’s another self-inflicted wound for the man-dominant out-of-touch Catholic hierarchy.

iggy

May 21st, 2012
1:21 pm

LOL…Lovin every minute of it.

“ObaDumpty had a great fall.”

iggy

May 21st, 2012
1:23 pm

Im thinking Dick Clark would state…

“ObamaCare? Its got a good beat and its easy to dance too.”

Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
1:28 pm

It will cost the Catholics much money to lose.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
1:28 pm

This administration, once elected, has shown a tone-deaf attitude towards the majority of American voters and cast a blind eye towards the U.S. Constitution; all in an effort to enact an anti-religion, anti-individual agenda.

I have rarely seen a re-election campaign so out of touch with the people they’re trying to woo and maintain from the last cycle.

Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
1:32 pm

You want out of touch ? Romney and a grocery list….

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
1:38 pm

Out of touch? Biden and donations to charity.

thebob.bob

May 21st, 2012
1:40 pm

The Church is not being forced to provide birth control to women. Health Insurers and doctors are providing medicine to treat the woman’s health. The Church chooses to provide health insurance to their employees. If they do provide health insurance to all their employees (including non-believers) who serve the general public (including non-believers) then they do not get to prevent a doctor from prescribing a drug just because the drug may have, among its many uses, contraceptive properties. To prevent medication for those other conditions is unconscionable.

Does The Church forbid women from using knitting needles because knitting needles can be used to perform illegal abortions? Will the five Catholic members of the SCOTUS recuse themselves for fear of damnation and their immortal souls?

Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
1:41 pm

Who started this war on women ? Why does the press keep bringing it up ?

kelly

May 21st, 2012
1:42 pm

Sorry, but the catholic church has lost it’s credibility as a moral arbiter of behavior. The federal government should counter-sue the church for operating a continuing criminal enterprise. Pedophile priests, out-of-wedlock children fathered by priests, the vatican bank scandal, et al. Mario Cuomo had it right; he follows Jesus, not the church.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
1:45 pm

thebob, you might wish to bone up on the definition of “providing”.

If the Church is providing the money for the insurance (and they are), the Church gets to decide what that insurance will cover. If they are forced to provide that in which they do not believe, the Church’s 1st Amendment Constitutional rights are being violated.

resno2

May 21st, 2012
1:46 pm

kelly – that all might be true, but do you really think that our federal government wants to open up that discussion knowing full well that their own morality will be under the microscope as well?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
1:49 pm

“out-of-wedlock children fathered by priests,”

Not sure when this became criminal behavior, kelly. Should John Edwards have new charges filed against him?

“the vatican bank scandal,”

I do not believe the Vatican Bank is based in the U.S. kelly, so they are not in our government’s jurisdiction.

But nice deflection from the real issue. :roll:

JDW

May 21st, 2012
1:58 pm

@Tiberius…”If the Church is providing the money for the insurance (and they are), the Church gets to decide what that insurance will cover.”

So does that mean an employee of Jehovah’s Witnesses can be denied blood transfusions?
How about Christian Scientists? Can they issue insurance that does not cover procedures they don’t like?

I think not. The regulatory bodies of the US are clearly within their rights to establish minimum requirements for any regulated product. Insurance is a regulated product ergo…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

May 21st, 2012
1:58 pm

Those uppity Catholics can put a sock in it!

Pipe down, already…..the adults (Democrats) are in charge.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

May 21st, 2012
2:00 pm

If the Church is providing the money for the insurance (and they are

And who is providing that money to the church? Individual and family tithes – on a tax free basis to the church, no less. The members of the church need to decide, not a few “control freak” Catholics.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

May 21st, 2012
2:02 pm

Out of touch? Biden and donations to charity.

LOL, let’s see which charities Mitt gives to? Oh, the only charity he gives is to his cult of a church?.
Charity…..riiiiight.

Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
2:02 pm

Employers have rules to follow.

Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
2:03 pm

Romney is so out of touch his supporters want to change the subject.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

May 21st, 2012
2:03 pm

Where is everybody?

Tib pass gas again and run everyone off?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:12 pm

“So does that mean an employee of Jehovah’s Witnesses can be denied blood transfusions?”

No, they can just be denied the money to pay for them via the insurance they might provide. Nice try.

“How about Christian Scientists? Can they issue insurance that does not cover procedures they don’t like?”

Since they don’t issue insurance, that is a moot point, JDW. Now if you ask if they can buy insurance from a company and specify what is covered based on religious beliefs, then yes, they can.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:14 pm

“And who is providing that money to the church? Individual and family tithes – on a tax free basis to the church, no less.”

And if they don’t like it they can try to change it or go elsewhere, but until they do, the Church decides for them.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:15 pm

“LOL, let’s see which charities Mitt gives to? Oh, the only charity he gives is to his cult of a church?.
Charity…..riiiiight.”

Finn, YOU do not get to decide what is a charity and what isn’t. The government you worship does.

Deal with it.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:16 pm

“Employers have rules to follow.”

So does government, Jefferson. In case you missed it, they’re written within a document called the U.S. Constitution.

Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
2:22 pm

This is a good law, they will lose.

Joe Mama

May 21st, 2012
2:25 pm

Tiberius — “I do not believe the Vatican Bank is based in the U.S. kelly, so they are not in our government’s jurisdiction.”

Yes, that’s what a number of Swiss banks thought until recently.

Move overseas and become an American expatriate. Then try to open a bank account at a bank in your new country of residence and see how free of American jurisdiction you are. I guarantee you that the experience will open your eyes to just how far the reach of American authority goes, even outside our own borders.

td

May 21st, 2012
2:25 pm

Tiberius – Banned from Bookman’s and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:16 pm

“Employers have rules to follow.”

So does government, Jefferson. In case you missed it, they’re written within a document called the U.S. Constitution.

You seem to forget that these libs think the Constitution is an outdated or “living” document and must change with the times.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:26 pm

This may be a moot point anyway, depending on how the SCOTUS rules on the individual mandate and whether severability applies (it shouldn’t, as “implied” severability is a joke of an argument).

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:29 pm

You are talking individuals, Joe Mama, not “the Catholic Church”.

Your argument fails completely.

jconservative

May 21st, 2012
2:30 pm

“Will the five Catholic members of the SCOTUS recuse themselves for fear of damnation and their immortal souls?”

Actually six members of the Court are Catholic. And they will rule on the merits of the case.

From the US Constitution, First Amendment:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

This is the issue. The suits say that the administration, through an agency ruling, is trying to tell their church what they may teach as a matter of faith and is denying them the right to freely exercise that faith.

The last case on the !st Amendment establishment clause was this session when the Court in a 9-0 decision said the EEOC could not tell a Lutheran Church how they could hire and fire ministers of their church. See Hossana-Tabor v EEOC at the Court’s website. The decision was in January 2012.

Aquagirl

May 21st, 2012
2:37 pm

And who is providing that money to the church? Individual and family tithes – on a tax free basis to the church, no less.

Really? St. Josephs is free? They’re not taking insurance money from secular atheist humanists?

This is where the religious exemption gets murky. Catholic businesses don’t run solely on money raised by the Catholic church. They accept money from other sources, including the government.

iggy

May 21st, 2012
2:39 pm

All this debating aside, he doesnt have the money but Finn still needs his birth control pills.

Catholics Are Hypocrites. Where Is The Outrage Over Pedophile Catholic Priests?

May 21st, 2012
2:43 pm

Claiming their “fundamental rights hang in the balance?”

WHAT ABOUT the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE children that were MOLESTED BY THEIR PRIESTS?

Their PRIORITY IS MISPLACED.

They need to STOP WORRYING about ADULT WOMEN and START WORRYING ABOUT

THE CHILDREN UNDER THEIR CARE.

What hypocrites.

JDW

May 21st, 2012
2:44 pm

@Tiberius…you are missing the point. Insurance is a regulated product. Just like the state specifies minimum auto coverages the federal government can specify minimum health coverages. They do exactly the same thing to a wide variety of products, with no regard to the issue of “political correctness”.

ByteMe

May 21st, 2012
2:45 pm

The last case on the !st Amendment establishment clause was this session when the Court in a 9-0 decision said the EEOC could not tell a Lutheran Church how they could hire and fire ministers of their church. See Hossana-Tabor v EEOC at the Court’s website. The decision was in January 2012.

That ruling was telling a church or an organization that exists to push a religion about hiring and firing. This is more similar to the ruling where the court found that church-affiliated businesses are just businesses and not exempt from general business rules. Even Scalia affirmed that view. The case will fail.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:45 pm

I see the Trashman has been released from the drunk tank . . .

I suggest you find another blog to visit if you don’t like the current subject matter, as Kyle has chosen this one on which to comment.

iggy

May 21st, 2012
2:45 pm

The difference is, mandatory auto insurance is only for those who CHOOSE to own/drive an auto.

Catholics Are Hypocrites. Where Is The Outrage Against Pedophile Catholic Priests?

May 21st, 2012
2:47 pm

@ByteMe

May 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
It is big-time self-inflicted wound for the Obama team.

It’s another self-inflicted wound for the man-dominant out-of-touch Catholic hierarchy.

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The ONLY thing they ARE IN TOUCH WITH AND TOUCHING are CHILDREN.

What hypocrites.

Joe Mama

May 21st, 2012
2:48 pm

Tiberius — “You are talking individuals, Joe Mama, not “the Catholic Church”.

Uh, no. I simply followed your lead. You made an uninformed comment about the US having no jurisdiction regarding overseas banks. Do a little research into how UBS has fared at the hands of the IRS lately and you’ll see otherwise.

“Your argument fails completely.”

Pay closer attention, please, Tiberius. I didn’t *make* an argument. I simply pointed out that you’re clearly uninformed when it comes to US jurisdiction/authority and overseas banks.

Catholics Are Hypocrites. Where Is The Outrage Against Pedophile Catholic Priests?

May 21st, 2012
2:48 pm

@Tiberius – Banned from Bookman’s and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:45 pm
I see the Trashman has been released from the drunk tank . . .

I suggest you find another blog to visit if you don’t like the current subject matter, as Kyle has chosen this one on which to comment.
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You ain’t no BETTER than those HYPOCRITICAL catholics and PEDOPHILE PRIIESTS.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:49 pm

“@Tiberius…you are missing the point. Insurance is a regulated product. Just like the state specifies minimum auto coverages the federal government can specify minimum health coverages.”

No, JDW, it is YOU who are missing the point. Just because government can, and does, regulate a certain product, doesn’t mean that regulatory authority is unlimited. The Constitution is that limiting authority as regards religious freedom.

Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
2:49 pm

Are the women in the US going to continue to let the GOP treat them like 2nd class citizens?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:51 pm

“I didn’t *make* an argument.”

Of course you didn’t. That would require facts which you do not comprehend.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:53 pm

“Are the women in the US going to continue to let the GOP treat them like 2nd class citizens?”

Since I don’t believe that these Catholic institutions suing are GOP stooges, your comment is just plain silly, Jefferson.

Joe Mama

May 21st, 2012
2:53 pm

Tiberius — “Of course you didn’t. That would require facts which you do not comprehend.”

Your concession has been noted and is appreciated.

Now, if you’d like me to bring you up to speed on expatriate banking issues and US regulatory authority as exerted on overseas banks, just ask politely and I’ll be glad to educate you, young man.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:56 pm

“This is more similar to the ruling where the court found that church-affiliated businesses are just businesses and not exempt from general business rules.”

Not even close, ByteMe. Please make your case that private insurance companies are “church-affiliated businesses” any more than I would be if they hired me to paint their building.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 21st, 2012
2:57 pm

“Now, if you’d like me to bring you up to speed on expatriate banking issues and US regulatory authority as exerted on overseas banks,”

Nope. We don’t do deflection over here at the Adult Table, Joe Mama.

We stick to facts here, unlike you over at the Children’s Table.

Catholics Are Hypocrites. Where Is The Outrage Against Pedophile Catholic Priests?

May 21st, 2012
2:58 pm

@Jefferson

May 21st, 2012
2:49 pm
Are the women in the US going to continue to let the GOP treat them like 2nd class citizens?

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The Day of reckoning IS FAST APPROACHING (November 2012) for the GOP.

Its PAYBACK TIME.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

May 21st, 2012
3:01 pm

All Americans (and Democrats of faith) owe these Catholic groups a huge debt for standing up for the First Amendment’s protection of religious liberties.