2012 Tuesday: Should we worry about the primary losses of moderates?

For all the talk of how America is following in the footsteps of debt-riddled Greece, here is one way our politics is charting a very different course: We are not waiting to reach the very edge of the abyss before moving our parties away from the center.

One of the big stories from today’s primaries, which for the most part have been rendered less than front-page news outside the states holding them any given day, will be whether longtime Indiana Sen. Dick Lugar survives a challenge from tea-party favorite and State Treasurer Richard Mourdock. A recent poll (there haven’t been many of them) suggests Lugar’s time is up.

The headlines will be about the tea party throwing out a respected member of the D.C. establishment in a fit of ideologically pure pique. Yet, increasingly this kind of result is dog-bites-man news — for both parties.

Last month, Pennsylvania Democrats threw out a pair of “Blue Dog Democrats” from the U.S. House. The Blue Dogs, who tried to push laws such as Obamacare in a more moderate direction when Democrats held all the levers of power in 2009-10, have gone from a peak of 54 members in those years to a projected 23 when the 113th Congress convenes next year. Most of those losses have come at the hands of Republican challengers in general elections, or via retirements. But as the New York Times reported about the Pennsylvania races:

The ouster of the Democratic incumbents — and the tough primaries being waged against some House Republicans — suggest that redistricting ultimately is going to send more liberal Democrats and more conservative Republicans to the House.

That may be true in U.S. House races, where voters can be moved around during redistricting, but we’ve also seen changes in Senate races that cover entire states.

Lugar would be one example, with the list of ousted Republicans also including Bob Bennett of Utah in 2010 and, perhaps, Utah’s Orrin Hatch this year. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska lost her primary in 2010, only to win re-election as a third-party candidate write-in Republican [note: the foregoing text has been corrected -- KW] in the general election. So did Connecticut’s Joe Lieberman in 2006, whom Democrats punished for his support of the Iraq war just six years after appearing on the party’s national ticket as its vice-presidential nominee. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas had to go to a runoff to remain the Democratic nominee for Senate in 2010, eventually losing her seat to a Republican that November.

On the other hand, GOP voters chose as their nominee the man who, with the exception of Jon Huntsman, was considered the most moderate person in the field — even if the Obama campaign will now spend months trying to convince you Mitt Romney is a dangerous extremist. So the move away from moderation has its limits.

When primary voters in both major parties punish moderate incumbents, the idea seems to be that they want to elect more people truly committed to the cause. But can the cause ever be advanced if the other side is equally committed to electing people determined to block it? Can either party, moving away from the center, elect enough of its own members to push through an agenda that will be uniformly opposed by the other party? The huge Democratic gains of 2006 and 2008 were not typical of our electoral history — and their overreach afterward was sharply rebuked by the voters in 2010. Can the Republicans make a similar follow-up gain this year as they are also moving away from the center? Does the pendulum really swing that fast? And why wouldn’t it just keep reversing course rather than staying in your preferred direction for very long?

How this trend plays out in the long run is anyone’s guess. My guess is that, sooner than later, the electorate will tire of the pendulum moving so far, so fast. But there are two recent examples from Europe that suggest the mushy middle doesn’t necessarily work, either.

The most recent one is, as advertised above, from Greece. Sunday’s elections there were a smackdown of the country’s leading center-left and center-right parties, both of which backed the bailout-and-austerity package from Greece’s European neighbors. Together, the two main parties won just 32 percent of the vote — down from 77 percent in the last elections a few years ago. The largest party won less than 19 percent (although it will have a larger share of the seats in parliament).

More pertinent, however, is the nature of the parties that ate into their vote totals. The second-place party is called — this is the translation of the party’s name in Greek, not my editorial comment on its policies — the Coalition of the Radical Left. The Communist Party won 9 percent to finish fifth, and a neo-Nazi party (known as the “Golden Dawn” party) won 7 percent to wind up sixth. Together, the Communists and the neo-Nazis will have almost one-sixth of the seats in the Greek parliament. Two brand-new parties took another one-sixth of the vote.

Think about that: A collection of Communists, neo-Nazis and two parties that had never competed before managed to equal the votes of the country’s two longest-standing parties. If that’s not a rebuke of the establishment, I don’t know what is.

Another anti-centric example is Northern Ireland. For years, centrist parties representing the two opposing viewpoints there — remaining in the United Kingdom, or separating to join the Republic of Ireland — tried to make deals. It wasn’t until the two extremes on each side took a stab at working together that power-sharing under the Good Friday accord actually worked.

Of course, we are not in the dire straits of either Greece, which has already had one technical default on its debt, or Northern Ireland, which suffered decades of self-inflicted terrorism. Nor have we seen if either of those examples yields good results in the long run. (One of history’s greatest — and most humble! — foreign correspondents reported from Northern Ireland just before power-sharing began there, questioning whether two extremes could truly co-exist for very long.)

The jury is still out here, too.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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202 comments Add your comment

Ted

May 8th, 2012
12:33 pm

I don’t care about Lugar’s politics, as much as I care about folks who become part of
Washington, versus being part of their home state. 36 years is too much.

Cutty

May 8th, 2012
12:34 pm

‘On the other hand, GOP voters chose as their nominee the man who, with the exception of Jon Huntsman, was considered the most moderate person in the field — even if the Obama campaign will now spend months trying to convince you Mitt Romney is a dangerous extremist.’

‘I am severely conservative.’ -Mitt Romney

Yeah, its Obama’s fault and not Romney’s own words that make him look extreme (ie, severely conservative).

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
12:45 pm

‘I am severely conservative.’

He is, Cutty. Compared to the current Liar-in-Chief, most moderates are.

emo

May 8th, 2012
12:48 pm

Cutty, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Tibby, nobody lies like your man Mittens.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
12:49 pm

2012 Tuesday: Should we worry about the primary losses of moderates?
———–

That’s like asking if we should worry about being right.

Americans don’t worry about being right, or about voters knowing their values, principles, and policies. Democrats do.

Ivan

May 8th, 2012
12:50 pm

LOL. Sorry. Believing Mitt Romney is “extreme” is like believing Jeff Dunham’s puppets actually talk.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
12:52 pm

“nobody lies like your man Mittens.”

I suggest you look up: Obama, Barack, emo

Illegal Alien

May 8th, 2012
12:52 pm

As this nation becomes more polarized, somebody like Hitler will come along and take power.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
1:02 pm

“Believing Mitt Romney is “extreme” is like believing Jeff Dunham’s puppets actually talk.”

Wait . . . they don’t? ;)

Jefferson

May 8th, 2012
1:03 pm

Kyle, you use more “?” marks than “!” marks.

emo

May 8th, 2012
1:08 pm

So clever, Tibby, you’ve lalmost convinced me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAxtFuB0eJ4

HIPPOCRIT

May 8th, 2012
1:10 pm

THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM……… TOO MANY 1%’S IN WASHINGTON DC

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/08/news/economy/congress-net-worth/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3

Jefferson

May 8th, 2012
1:11 pm

It been said that Romney is the worse republican to run against the President. (and he who said it was not a moderate)

Illegal Alien

May 8th, 2012
1:12 pm

George Wallace was moderate until he realized that only Washington hating and segregationist politicans could get elected in Alabama.

Some people will sell their soul to achieve their goal.

HIPPOCRIT

May 8th, 2012
1:14 pm

kyle
the $$$$ of europe is making real clear to the PIIGS and to France that they may not like taking their medicine……….. but they better take it

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/angela-merkel-to-francois-hollande-must-take-necessary-eurozone-decisions/articleshow/13052099.cms

HIPPOCRIT

May 8th, 2012
1:15 pm

its time we start taking our medicine here
clean up and clear out the banks
process the loan mods and foresclosures

@@

May 8th, 2012
1:20 pm

On the other hand, GOP voters chose as their nominee the man who, with the exception of Jon Huntsman, was considered the most moderate person in the field

Well…I didn’t choose. He was FOISTED upon me by the GOP establishment. I wonder…does that mean it’s the GOP who’s seeking moderation?

It is what it is.

I’m just glad I don’t live in Greece.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
1:24 pm

“It been said that Romney is the worse republican to run against the President.”

Yeah, by Democrats.

Sherlock

May 8th, 2012
1:27 pm

Extremes do not mean strength and the middle mush as you suggest. Strength lies with the individual, who can most certainly be a moderate.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
1:28 pm

“So clever, Tibby, you’ve lalmost convinced me.”

Sorry, emo, didn’t bother looking at your link to the uber-biased Rachel Maddow. I don’t do DNC propaganda.

I can think for myself.

Jefferson

May 8th, 2012
1:28 pm

Them, too T.

emo

May 8th, 2012
1:33 pm

“It been said that Romney is the worse republican to run against the President.”
Yeah, by Democrats

What an awful thing to call Bachman & Santorum.

Glad you at least went to the link, I knew you couldn’t watch it. Much easier to be spoonfed the Fox pablum.

AmVet

May 8th, 2012
1:33 pm

‘I am severely conservative.’

Republispeak for “I am an effete, northeastern RINO liberal, and the Father of Socialized Medicine.”

Good luck with that one, Republican socialists!

And at BEST, the only way he even remains competitive in November is to move towards Kyle’s apparent pejorative – the mushy middle!

But I suspect that independents and centrists and moderates in this country see through his flip-flopping pas de une, as his handlers desperately try to keep him pandering to the far, far right wing that controls the GOP.

But LOL at you DNC plants and rubes.

Two RINOs in a row.

ragnar danneskjold

May 8th, 2012
2:17 pm

I think Washington is less a pendulum than a swirling eddy, sucking to the bottom all within its reach. For perhaps 50 years the FDR governance model controlling both parties in DC, based on the unquestioned knowledge that the overlords are better positioned to run our lives than we ourselves.

The model was upset by excess, and by the election of one who used different language in analyzing the role of government in our lives. Not unprecedented language – Hayek and von Mises and Friedman had been around throughout the overlord era – but the election of Reagan was a watershed, as his presidency was not founded on the assumption that “Washington Knows Best.”

The death of centrism – that dithering, indecisive, rudderless middle between the extremes – was both foreseeable and inevitable when one party abandoned the common assumption. Today all are obliged to choose between two different visions – the political parties are no longer twins of the same parentage. The majority within the US believes in individual responsibility and rejects the central government’s “goodness and wisdom.” Thus leftists are obliged to deny their goals and intentions and the likely effects of their policies – think of the “death panels” debate within ObamaCare – for the sake of cobbling together a ruling coalition. Thus the harsh invective that flows constantly from the left, disparaging those who stand in the way of total control.

Jefferson

May 8th, 2012
2:18 pm

The moderate republicans at least know things have to be paid for, the radical republicans want everything but don’t want to pay for it. Look what it did for them last time.

Sam

May 8th, 2012
2:19 pm

Moderate = RHINO. I hope they all lose. Goodbye Dicky Luger. 30+ years in DC has corrupted you beyond repair.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

May 8th, 2012
2:21 pm

Is mittens centrist?

Which week are you wanting an answer for?

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:25 pm

I believe both Democrat and Republican are purging “moderates” to some degree or another

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:26 pm

“Moderate = RHINO.”

And Romney is a ?

td

May 8th, 2012
2:30 pm

A moderate is nothing more then a person that has no philosophy to live by. They go along to get along no matter if it is the right thing to do for the country or not or they tinker a little hear or there and get nothing done. We are either going to remain a conservative nation or we are going to become a European socialist welfare state nation. It is time to get out all the people that do not believe and have the debate in this country so the American people can decide which type of nation we are to become.

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:33 pm

td

Let’s shelf Obama’s own flip flops and lie for a minute.

What is Romney? He has changed numerous positions.

He is a moderate on many issues, attempting to accentuate where he is conservative to gain support.

DannyX

May 8th, 2012
2:35 pm

Today’s Etch-a-Sketch moment is brought to you by, the RNC

“I think as a candidate, to my understanding, he’s still deciding what his position on immigration is. I can’t talk about what his position is going to be,” Inclan said.

Followed by this tweet,
“I misspoke, Romney’s position on immigration is clear”

Its obvious that Romney’s policy on immigration is both moderate and far right. I guess it could even be considered liberal. I believe Romney is consulting his Magic 8 Ball. We should know where he stands on the issue soon.

Illegal Alien

May 8th, 2012
2:41 pm

td,

After the debate and we are either a conservative or socialist nation do the losers have to be put in concentration camps to await extermination?

td

May 8th, 2012
2:44 pm

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:33 pm

We do not know who Romney really would be philosophically if elected President. You can not judge him philosophically by his stances as Governor because he had to work with one of the most liberal legislatures in the nation. He could have stood up for his values (if conservative) and it would not have mattered because the libs held veto proof majorities.

We do know that fiscally that he is a fixer and the evidence proves this point with his involvement in the private sector and with the Olympics.

Here is what we do know when comparing him to Obama:

Romney will resend all those executive orders on regulations Obama has put into place.

Romney will sign Backmann bill to kill Obamacare.

Romney will not appoint the loony leftest to the SCOTUS that Obama has.

Romney will sign Paul Ryan’s budget.

These make him way more conservative then Obama.

Jefferson

May 8th, 2012
2:45 pm

If they were conservatives, why did they spend so much money ?

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:46 pm

td

Yes judgment can be made on his past political stances and changes to boost his conservative “cred”…… that is such a weak defense of any politician

This notion that we can judge one but not the other is total crap

Be weak minded if you wish

td

May 8th, 2012
2:47 pm

Illegal Alien

May 8th, 2012
2:41 pm

What will happen is the same thing that happened in Georgia. When it is obvious that one side has won then the “moderates” will jump to the winning side of the debate and what is left will only be able to whine on blogs like Jay Bookman’s

@@

May 8th, 2012
2:48 pm

I’m curious!

If Romney, the moderate isn’t good enough for AmVet, what kind of conservative does he favor…The Progressive Conservative?

Has anyone figured out what AmVet’s objective here is? Does he want EVERYONE to adhere to his conservative criteria? His and his only?

td

May 8th, 2012
2:48 pm

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:46 pm

And your choice is what? 4 more years of Obama in charge. I will take my chances with Romney.

AmVet

May 8th, 2012
2:48 pm

A moderate is nothing more then a person that has no philosophy to live by.

Childish claptrap, not remotely close to any actual or accepted definition:

moderate -adjective
1. kept or keeping within reasonable or proper limits; not extreme or excessive

Many of you Republicans have become so rabid that even words such as reasonable have become a pejorative.

AmVet

May 8th, 2012
2:50 pm

Oops, got my obsessed lil one all riled up!

Please, no public meltdowns, stalker…

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:51 pm

“And your choice is what? 4 more years of Obama in charge. I will take my chances with Romney.”

nice deflection……. give you a C plus

I will be voting 3rd Party…… thank you very much

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:51 pm

@@

What is you objective?

td

May 8th, 2012
2:58 pm

AmVet

May 8th, 2012
2:48 pm

First off, when I say moderate I am not only talking about RINO’s but also Blue Dog’s.

What has “moderate” philosophy gotten us?

Some abortions ok and some not.
Gays can not marry but they can have the same rights in civil unions.
People are responsible for their action, except when they are not.
Free speech is free speech except when it is not politically correct.
We have the rights to keep and bear arms except when we do not.
There are no moral absolutes in society except when the government thinks there are.

Progressive Humanist

May 8th, 2012
2:59 pm

If you want a moderate there’s still Mitt Romney. Of course, if you want a liberal there’s Mitt Romney. And if you want a whacked out right wing loony there’s Mitt Romney. Just tell him what you want him to be that day and he’ll pander to your every wish.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
3:00 pm

“But I suspect that independents and centrists and moderates in this country see through his flip-flopping pas de une”

Yet they are supporting Romney over the current Liar-in-Chief by double digits right now.

td

May 8th, 2012
3:00 pm

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
2:51 pm

“And your choice is what? 4 more years of Obama in charge. I will take my chances with Romney.”

nice deflection……. give you a C plus

I will be voting 3rd Party…… thank you very much

And what will that accomplish because whoever you vote for has no chance of winning so in reality you are nothing more then a moderate with no philosophy.

td

May 8th, 2012
3:02 pm

Progressive Humanist

May 8th, 2012
2:59 pm

I have a sneaking feeling that he will be 1000 times more conservative then Obama so he is a 1000 times better choice then Obama.

@@

May 8th, 2012
3:03 pm

AmVet:

Please, no public meltdowns, stalker…

Only in your dreams.

If, as you say, all extremists are to be marginalized, why do you ridicule Romney, the moderate? If it’s his pandering, what politician doesn’t?

Proove:

I have no idea what “you” objective is?

schnirt

I come here to see if all the political differences have been resolved.

Occasionally, I enjoy irritating AmVet…maybe a couple of others.

Yours?

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
3:08 pm

td

No offense, but I vote my conscience and it isn’t telling me Obama or Romney

You do not have to like it and I really could careless.

The world and how it works is much deeper than just the Democrat or Republican perception within the US. It plays a major part, but not the only role.

You can play in it and that is your choice. For the most part, I choose not to vote for the majority of those inept and corrupt cousins. With that said, I do vote for Republicans and Democrats on local and state levels from time to time

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
3:11 pm

“I come here to see if all the political differences have been resolved.”

Well I know that will not be resolved. To be honest I come to see if there is anyone thinking past the Republican or Democrat prism.

Some do on a few issues, however most would vote for a turd as long as it had a D or R beside it.

It is amusing to say the least

td

May 8th, 2012
3:14 pm

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
3:08 pm

Was not trying to attack you personally. Just pointing out that your choice to vote third party is not helping resolve the fact that this nation is split almost 50/50 philosophically and until the American people decide which direction to take then we are going to be stuck in a quagmire and nothing will get done. My other point is that “moderates” do not help where we are currently at and are only slowing down the decision.

Progressive Humanist

May 8th, 2012
3:15 pm

Yes, I’m sure that the liberal Romney will be “1000 times more conservative” than the relatively conservative democrat we have now. That makes perfect sense. Time to come back to reality, td, although I know that will never happen; you’re too indoctrinated to break free.

jconservative

May 8th, 2012
3:17 pm

I am a conservative. I am not a Republican. And I detest people using the two words interchangeably.

This country has not had a conservative president since Herbert Hoover. We elected a conservative in 1980 but he became a moderate almost overnight after his election. We obviously will not have a conservative president in 2013 – 2016. We may have another Republican, but not a conservative.

But to the question of losing lifetime members of Congress who are moderate – I call it a great!
Not because they are moderates, but because they are lifetime members of Congress.

Why does the American voter continue to send the same people to Washington year after year after year? Look no further than the congressional delegation from Georgia.

Maybe though, Bennett, Lugar and Hatch among others feel like Caesar, “Et tu, Brute?”.

AmVet

May 8th, 2012
3:17 pm

Yet they are supporting Romney over the current Liar-in-Chief by double digits right now.

Dave R, you are still a bookie’s wet dream.

2102 Presidential election – winning party

Democratic party -210
Republican party +170

http://www.sports.bovada.lv

And if you just pony up some dough on Geroge Willard bush, it’s easy, easy money and your chicks for free time!

td, if you wish to be taken seriously, and I’m not saying that you do, you cannot just make up your own definitions that have nothing to do with the actual ones.

Yes, I fully understand that the modern day GOP has done that to no end, over the past couple of decades, but that is the whole point, isn’t it?

Torture – the exact same kind that got the Japanese thrown into military prisons after WWII – is now enhanced interrogation.

Socialism, Communism and Marxism have absolutely no proper connection to what they actually mean.

And on and on and on and on.

In short, cliches, catch phrases and buzz words are not definitions. And really not very useful at all, as demonstrated in that last paragraph @2:58. If you have ANY verifiable facts to support them, fine, produce them.

Otherwise you are just peeing your opinions and made up definitions into the wind…

BW

May 8th, 2012
3:18 pm

Kyle

Were the two PA Dems voted out by purist leftists or were they simply redistricted into more liberal leaning districts? I simply don’t see the same zeal on the left that there is on the right for ideological purity. Redistricting has served to make the House more liberal in majority Dem districts and more conservative in majority Repub districts in order to protect all the incumbents in their newly drawn districts to the statewide advantage of whichever side controls their state house. Now it can easily be argued that on the senatorial level there absolutely is a purge going on the Repub side of the aisle and you mentioned all of them. At days end Mitt Romney will have to embrace his severly conservative principles laid out during the primaries or the enthusiasm gap will be palpable. There will be a clear choice presented in November.

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

td

Thanks for the reply and understood. We will just have to agree to disagree.

I wish all eligible voters who vote would do so, but we know that isn’t going to happen.

I wouldn’t want a Dem in a very Red State or a Rep in a very Blue State staying at home just because it is evident that their vote in terms of the Presidency really wont matter that much.

That to me is the same argument against people voting 3rd party.

td

May 8th, 2012
3:22 pm

Progressive Humanist

May 8th, 2012
3:15 pm

I was a conservative Democrat (Blue Dog) many years ago and I can tell you with 100% certainty that Obama does not even come close.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
3:24 pm

@@: Well…I didn’t choose. [Romney] was FOISTED upon me by the GOP establishment.
——–

Who did all that voting in the primaries?

@@

May 8th, 2012
3:24 pm

(CBS News) WASHINGTON – A new Politico-George Washington University poll shows Mitt Romney leading President Obama by one point, 48 to 47 percent.

In that poll, independent voters prefered Romney by a ten-point margin.

Kewl!

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
3:24 pm

“I am a conservative. I am not a Republican. And I detest people using the two words interchangeably.”

Do you vote vast majority Republican? I would assume that you vote for the most conservative choice in a primary, but I’m asking overall.

I fully understand and respect what you are saying, but if it is the same or similar voting pattern for non primary voting as a moderate Republican, is there much difference in the end?

That would hold true as well for the “liberals” who are mad at Obama for not being more “liberal” but will still vote for him anyway….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

May 8th, 2012
3:26 pm

baraKKK obozo would be a perfect fit in Greece’s ruling coalition of lunatics.

In the United States government, not so much.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

May 8th, 2012
3:27 pm

So if you cons want austerity for the middle and lower classes, what do you want for the upper classes? More bailouts, as usual?

Don't Tread

May 8th, 2012
3:28 pm

Lugar’s still losing the primary? Fine by me. It’s past time for a change.

Too bad the Tea Party couldn’t nominate a winner for the 2010 Nevada election…maybe they’ve learned a lesson from that.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
3:30 pm

Obozo may be a citizen, but he’s no American, and he’s only a Democrat because if he flew the banner that he really supports, he’d be marginalized in the same way as Cynthia McKinney.

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
3:35 pm

“Obozo may be a citizen, but he’s no American”

When were you assigned the job as designator of who is American or not?

That has to be the dumbest thing posted today.

@@

May 8th, 2012
3:39 pm

I see AmVet’s afraid to commit to anyone other than Ralph Nader. Since Ralphie’s out, Johnson could use his vote. Of course, Johnson won’t win and then AmVet can continue his endless journey on the road less traveled.

schnirt

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
3:40 pm

When were you assigned the job as designator of who is American or not?
———-

I don’t make designations, I make observations.

Jefferson

May 8th, 2012
3:42 pm

At least you will be mad if you won’t go away, right ?

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
3:43 pm

“I don’t make designations, I make observations.”

Well he is as American as you are…….. His lies and flip flopping puts him in line with a long list of Rs and Ds before him, however he is still an American.

pick up the intellect and bring real debate to the table…….

Not petty bs that the lefties and righties bring here to often

Set the trend Barry……. Don’t run with the flock, man.

@@

May 8th, 2012
3:44 pm

…complaining every step of the way.

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
3:48 pm

@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
12:49 pm
2012 Tuesday: Should we worry about the primary losses of moderates?
———–

That’s like asking if we should worry about being right.

Americans don’t worry about being right, or about voters knowing their values, principles, and policies. Democrats do.

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“Americans don’t worry about being right, or about voters knowing their values, principles, and policies. Democrats do. ”

YOU DARN SKIPPY.

We care about being RIGHT, about knowing people’s VALUES, PRINCIPLES and POLICIES.

BECAUSE You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are.

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
3:54 pm

@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…

May 8th, 2012
3:26 pm
baraKKK obozo would be a perfect fit in Greece’s ruling coalition of lunatics.

In the United States government, not so much.
*********************************************************************

AND MITT WITT is way offshore like SWISS CHEESE. :)

So You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
3:56 pm

Well [Obozo]is as American as you are
——–

Americans don’t set out to build Handout Nation.

Americans believe in free markets and capitalism.

Americans don’t need “flexibility” of the sort needed to give away our military superiority.

Americans understand that by definition one nation will be strongest and they believe that nation should be America.

By all those standards and many more, Obozo is no American.

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
4:00 pm

Barry

Cry all you like. YOU DO NOT SET THE STANDARD.

yell, cry, moan: it will not change that FACT

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
4:03 pm

@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
3:30 pm
Obozo may be a citizen, but he’s no American, and he’s only a Democrat because if he flew the banner that he really supports, he’d be marginalized in the same way as Cynthia McKinney.
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Lil Biddy you may be a citizen BUT YOU ARE NO OBAMA.

YOU are only a CON among CONS. I don’t mean a conservative.

YOU have been MARGINALIZED because EVERYONE KNOWS that you fly the WHITE sheet that you really support.

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
4:06 pm

@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
3:56 pm
Well [Obozo]is as American as you are
——–

Americans don’t set out to build Handout Nation.

Americans believe in free markets and capitalism.

Americans don’t need “flexibility” of the sort needed to give away our military superiority.

Americans understand that by definition one nation will be strongest and they believe that nation should be America.

By all those standards and many more, Obozo is no American.
****************************************************************

Give us a break.

YOU don’t give a rats behind about AMERICANS.

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are.

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
4:11 pm

Barry seems to be as blind as those on the left he call out…..

Shame to be “two peas in a pod” and not even know it

@@

May 8th, 2012
4:14 pm

MOSCOW — Russia’s new President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday won parliamentary approval for his predecessor Dmitry Medvedev to become prime minister.

Job swapping was always their goal.

I recall when Paul (the blogger) naively believed that Medvedev would turn out to be Putin’s downfall. I couldn’t help but laugh.

Paul didn’t do his homework like I did. Medvedev was a longtime comrade to Putin.

In a dry speech in which he cited Marxist philosopher Friedrich Engels, Medvedev vowed: “We will have to consolidate society around the solution of key tasks, and prove that the state is inseparable from the people.”

OR…..the people are inseparable from the state.

@@

May 8th, 2012
4:15 pm

The GOP Will Throw Their Own Mother Under The Bus. Back It Up And Run Over Her Again

May 8th, 2012
4:17 pm

The GOP is sacrificing Indiana Sen. Dick Lugar for tea-party favorite and State Treasurer Richard

Mourdock.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
4:33 pm

Please. Lugar is 80 years old and hasn’t had a legislative success in decades.

Maybe you like to keep your Senators in place long after their best days are behind them, but at least the GOP tries to weed out the deadwood.

Now if they’d just weed out Saxby and Johnny . . .

@@

May 8th, 2012
4:33 pm

And how many dems has Obama thrown under the bus.

If you’re a non-Obama democrat, he’s not gonna show up at your fundraisers NOR will he turn loose of money from his political war chest.

David Paterson, Hilary Rosen…the list goes on and on. Squashed during and after his campaign.

Obama is for Obama, and no one else.

AmVet

May 8th, 2012
4:33 pm

For the fake conservative humper and her socialist hero!

http://tinyurl.com/cc87jcx

@@

May 8th, 2012
4:42 pm

Just saying..

May 8th, 2012
4:44 pm

“…was considered the most moderate person in the field”
“severely conservative”
???
Cutty, my first reaction as well. Not in the “gotcha” sense, but that it continues the narrative as perhaps Romney’s biggest issue; it’s difficult to feel confident about where he’s gonna end up, on any policy issue chosen. So tough to oust an incumbent as is. To make both potential moderate and conservative supporters uneasy…
Seems only to be making it more difficult on himself.

@@

May 8th, 2012
4:45 pm

AmVet:

No can do. I got a warning on your link.

Draw me a picture in ten words or less.

The GOP Will Throw Their Own Mother Under The Bus. Back It Up And Run Over Her Again

May 8th, 2012
5:12 pm

@Tiberius – Banned from Bookman’s and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
4:33 pm
Please. Lugar is 80 years old and hasn’t had a legislative success in decades.

Maybe you like to keep your Senators in place long after their best days are behind them, but at least the GOP tries to weed out the deadwood.

Now if they’d just weed out Saxby and Johnny . . .
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I AGREE they need to WEED WACK Saxby and Johnny

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
5:13 pm

“To make both potential moderate and conservative supporters uneasy…”

Continuing to repeat the “moderates are uneasy” mantra in the face of recent polling data is like continuing to beat your head against the wall.

Hillbilly D

May 8th, 2012
5:28 pm

Some things about the way Europeans do things are good and some are bad but damn wouldn’t it be great if we just had 6 weeks or so to stage an election instead of 3 years and 9 months?

ragnar danneskjold

May 8th, 2012
5:32 pm

Dear @@ @ 4:42, that seems a cogent argument for dismantling the Central Government.

Sister Sarah

May 8th, 2012
5:34 pm

Good job @emo

May 8th, 2012
1:33 pm

I see that d@mned Tiberius character took a nice little break from his serial posting to let the trail cool before chiming in on something else and not addressing your point. The tape NEVER lies, though people may. No Democrat to date has spoken anything as damaging to Mitt Romney as was spoken by Gingrich, Santorum, Bachmann, Hunstman and Paul – All with “R” in front of their names. Painful stuff it is. Of course, the effort has already begun to finesse the message of, “Oh, they were just kidding. It was all in fun”. Like putting sugar on the $— sandwich they are about to forcefully scarf down, all because they hate Obama so much. Laughable!

DannyX

May 8th, 2012
5:36 pm

“You like me, you really like me”

No we don’t Mitt. In fact we don’t like you at all.

From Gallup, released today,

Is likeable
Obama 61%
Romney 31%

Lol.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
5:45 pm

Too bad that the same poll doesn’t actually measure voting intent based on likeability, DannyX.

You might have actually made valid a point for the first time.

@@

May 8th, 2012
5:46 pm

Ragnar:

Better to cap it.

Hillbilly:

wouldn’t it be great if we just had 6 weeks or so to stage an election instead of 3 years and 9 months?

I agree somewhat, but 6 weeks would render my vote a blind one. I need time to research.

@@

May 8th, 2012
5:52 pm

DannyX:

I LIKE Joe Biden, but I wouldn’t want him to be president. It’s been said that GWB won the election because he was likeable. As time went on not so much.

After he left office, his likeability factor went up.

I don’t NEED to like my president.

yuzeyurbrane

May 8th, 2012
6:07 pm

The bottom line is we are always stuck with the facts. Thus, we will have great social change regarding all of the great issues that afflict us from health care to income disparity. It is only a question of how much reaction there will be along the way and how much it will slow down the inexorable movement towards social justice. Time is on our side.

Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
6:08 pm

I am glad Lugar is being moved out. All of them that have been there that long need to go.

Hillbilly is correct, 6 weeks is more than enough time to have an election, especially if the choice is between two lifelong well known politicians. Most folk know who they are going to vote for as soon as we get down to a choice of two, if not before.

I can’t quite figure out a “moderate”. They seem not to be real decisive, always looking for the gray areas to get all clammy over. It seems for anything to get through Congress, it has to have something from both sides of the aisle, and winds up in the middle anyway. So, if you begin in the mushy middle, you don’t add anything to the conversation anyway, so stay home.

Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
6:13 pm

Yuzey
the inexorable movement towards social justice. Time is on our side.

Yeah, but the Constitution is not. The country was founded on equal justice for all, i.e. individual justice that is equally applied.

Bob

May 8th, 2012
6:16 pm

Great article Kyle…Lugar, McConnell, Reid, Pelosi, Chambliss, Issacson(sp?), John Lewis, Boxer, Dole, et al are the problem. Term limits and elect qualified (not great orators or lawyers) that will vote for what’s right, not just what will get them reelected. Just my opinion.

Hillbilly D

May 8th, 2012
6:20 pm

A new study found that giant plant-eating dinosaurs could have produced giant quantities of methane gas, a powerful greenhouse gas

Is that the prehistoric version of blaming it on the dog? (IWH)

@@

May 8th, 2012
6:20 pm

Rafe:

Hillbilly is correct, 6 weeks is more than enough time to have an election, especially if the choice is between two lifelong well known politicians.

Are we gonna do away with primaries?

MarkV

May 8th, 2012
6:23 pm

There is no conflict between social justice and the Constitution.

@@

May 8th, 2012
6:31 pm

There is no conflict between social justice and the Constitution

When it comes to justice, a wise old gentlemen once told me: “Be careful what you ask for…you might just get it.”

Hillbilly:

My dog has never passed gas. NEVER!

(ISH)

Hillbilly D

May 8th, 2012
6:41 pm

When it comes to justice,

My Grandpa always told me, if you were looking for justice, court is the last place you need to go. I’ve never seen anything to make me think he was wrong.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
6:54 pm

“There is no conflict between social justice and the Constitution.”

It depends on what someone means by “social justice”.

jconservative

May 8th, 2012
6:58 pm

Proove it with FACTS

Thanks for the comment.

I usually vote for the most conservative candidate. That is not always the Republican.

I am a believer in small government. Republicans as a whole are believers in big government. This years Republican platform will call for a bigger defense department, It is impossible to have small government and a huge defense department at the same time. Huge defense equals big government.

If we reduce the size of government all other problems go away. It really is that simple.

@@

May 8th, 2012
7:15 pm

Among the many things I did not know. There’s a lot of nepotism associated with Lugar. Lobbyists…paid interns.

He needs to go. He’s been feeding at the trough way to long. The way they desperately hang on, you’d think these politicians couldn’t make it outside D.C..

Proove it with FACTS

May 8th, 2012
7:25 pm

“This years Republican platform will call for a bigger defense department, It is impossible to have small government and a huge defense department at the same time. Huge defense equals big government.”

They have masters to pay off. It is funny but many do not even realize or care when they get in their right / left paradigm, that in many cases it is some of the same masters.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
7:54 pm

At least when we spend money on defense, we’re spending on a function actually enumerated to the federal government.

Not so with Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, free cell phones, and other parasite maintenance programs.

@@

May 8th, 2012
8:00 pm

Obama senior campaign adviser David Axelrod has said repeatedly that the biggest challenge to Obama’s re-election is economic developments beyond Obama’s control.

Like Europe’s economic “whoas”?

Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
8:13 pm

here is no conflict between social justice and the Constitution.

Well Mark, it depends once again on how you define “social justice”. If your social justice is like Oblamers, it involves punishing the rich to benefit the poor. The courts have given the Feds wide latitude to trample on the equal protection clause, however, they have slapped down several “social justice programs”.

Two come to mind right off, racial school busing and affirmative action, Bakke, I believe was the case, in the affirmative action case. There are others and will be others I am sure.

Obamacare, a social justice program, is hopefully soon to be ruled unconstitutional.

The equal protection clause is constantly ignored by the Feds, but is a significant part of the Constitution and is used by the Feds against the states. The Feds seem to feel that it is appropriate for them to favor one group or corporation over the other.

marty

May 8th, 2012
8:17 pm

Somehow you equate the purification of the Republicans in the Senate by the Limbaugh Tea Party
ie. the challenges to Hatch and Lugar to the defeat of two nameless Democratic Reps from Pennsylvania. It’s laughable. Oh, and what were the unmet changes to the Affordable Care Act that doomed the unnamed Representatives?

Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
8:18 pm

Hillbilly
Your grandpa was right, I call it the criminal injustice system.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
8:21 pm

Obama senior campaign adviser David Axelrod has said repeatedly that the biggest challenge to Obama’s re-election is economic developments beyond Obama’s control.
——————–

Funny, libtards think every economic development in 2008 was totally under our President Bush’s control.

Democrats: Lying, liberal fascist hypocrites.

Red

May 8th, 2012
8:32 pm

Historically, will it be recorded as Greece or France that leads us to a new understanding of modern economics?

Wisconsin won’t definitely be first in the world to shift toward toward socialism, and won’t be the last to try to attempt to make it work for the best will of the people.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
8:38 pm

Greece or France won’t be leading the world anywhere we want to be.

Greece already ran out of other people’s money to spend. Their populace is perhaps the biggest (by percentage) group of parasites and moochers known to mankind.

Red

May 8th, 2012
8:44 pm

Perhaps Lil’- but it’s all fiat paper money. Euros or drachmas, who cares? They aren’t dollars or gold.

Dollar was way up today in world markets.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
8:55 pm

Yes, Red, it’s interesting that the general trend of the dollar is down over the last few years, but when the stuff hits the fan, folks come running back to it.

St Simons - codewords are the new black

May 8th, 2012
9:09 pm

Should we worry about………

I think you worry about going extinct early in the 21st century
On 2nd thought, don’t do that, never mind, heheh

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
9:24 pm

@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
8:21 pm
Obama senior campaign adviser David Axelrod has said repeatedly that the biggest challenge to Obama’s re-election is economic developments beyond Obama’s control.
——————–

Funny, libtards think every economic development in 2008 was totally under our President Bush’s control.

Democrats: Lying, liberal fascist hypocrites.
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Mitt Witt is a liar’s liar.

“Let Detroit Go Bankrupt”

A severely conservative liar and hypocrite.

Today Romney silent after claiming credit for auto industry comeback.

WHAT A BOLD FACE LIAR.

Mitt Witt is the king of LIARS.

@@

May 8th, 2012
9:25 pm

Would you look at this!!??!!

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama nominated Kristine L. Svinicki for a new term on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on Tuesday despite objections from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Obama threw Harry Reid under the bus in exchange for the women’s vote.

J/K although it could’ve been his motivation.

No comment from Harry.

schnirt

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
9:33 pm

@@@

May 8th, 2012
9:25 pm
Would you look at this!!??!!

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama nominated Kristine L. Svinicki for a new term on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on Tuesday despite objections from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Obama threw Harry Reid under the bus in exchange for the women’s vote.

J/K although it could’ve been his motivation.

No comment from Harry.

schnirt
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OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT.

NOT HARRY REID.

Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
9:34 pm

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

and could it be, you are the Trashman!

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
9:35 pm

@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 8th, 2012
7:54 pm
At least when we spend money on defense, we’re spending on a function actually enumerated to the federal government.

Not so with Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, free cell phones, and other parasite maintenance programs.
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LINK PLEASE

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
9:37 pm

@Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
9:34 pm
You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

and could it be, you are the Trashman!
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And could it be you are the Garbageman?

Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
9:40 pm

That is right, Oblama putting Hairy the Reed in his place. How dare he not follow the playbook.

I’m guessing totally, don’t know this lady Barry reappointed, but I know that Hairy is a big NIMBY and he does not want that state of the art facility at Yucca Mountain utilized. We spent millions and millions getting that facility built and up to snuff to store nuclear waste. Hairy is playing to the locals and yelling NIMBY. He prefers we store the waste in steel drums in the ocean. Fish, what do they care if they glow; red fish, blue fish, dead fish.

Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
9:41 pm

The hit dog always barks!

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 8th, 2012
9:50 pm

@Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
9:41 pm
The hit dog always barks!
*******************************************************************

And that DOG barked at 9:41 p.m.

Here Rafe……come here boy……….fetch Rafe.

@@

May 8th, 2012
9:51 pm

Looks like organized labor won’t get their preferred candidate to go up against Walker in Wisconsin.

Barrett’s preferred by independents. He DOES NOT have organized labor’s support…they’re behind Falk. Barrett’s past relationship with unions has been rocky. He expects concessions.

Alrighty din!

May the best man win as long as it’s not Mizzzzz Falk.

Dusty

May 8th, 2012
9:54 pm

Well, I reread Kyle’s piece and I’m not sure where it is leading. “To be socialist or not to be?” Or was it “To be moderate or not to be?”

I gather he is worried that with two extremes of representation, liberal & conservative, we have little chance of working out problems. That seems sensible.

Perhaps I am not seeing the whole picture here as I see little problem with moderates. How can two political sides work toward making progress when neither side will listen to what the other has to say? Does it take “extremes” to work out a difficult problem? I don’t think so although it may take extreme measures to move forward.

Ah well, some more clairvoyant than I will see clear solutions for the future. Perhaps I should turn to reading tea leaves in a cup, a less exacting science.

@@

May 8th, 2012
9:57 pm

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are:

OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT.

NOT HARRY REID.

I know! Did I lead you to believe otherwise?

Harry’s gotta be pithed.

@@

May 8th, 2012
9:58 pm

Actually, the discussion in Wisconsin has taken a turn. Collective bargaining is of little interest. It’s about jobs and the economy.

Fizzle forward.

schnirt

RAMZAD

May 8th, 2012
10:11 pm

………primary loss for moderates. Is that what you call it Kyle? How about:

Purge of the infidels? or The Great “Rat Rub out. Or The political death of the Obama Republican conspirators or Work with Democrats and you die. Kyle your Euphemism is not fooling anyone. A purge is a purge. Dig up Joseph Stalin and ask him.

@@

May 8th, 2012
10:19 pm

Problems at the Polls: Many Voting for Two Candidates for Same Office

Forget Voter ID. Today, during the state’s first recall primary election, poll workers from communities in southeastern Wisconsin reported overvoting as the most common “problem” they’ve faced.

“Some people heard on the news that you could vote for anybody,” said Susan Van Hoven of the Wauwatosa City Clerk’s Office. “They took that to mean they could vote in each party race. Poll workers were trying to tell them, ‘No, you can vote only once for the governor’s office.’”

Wauwatosa Chief Inspector Kathy Repka said “quite a few” residents were erroneously voting for both a Republican and a Democrat for governor, invalidating their ballots and requiring them to vote with a replacement ballot.

Too funny! The undecideds show up to vote.

Dusty

May 8th, 2012
10:21 pm

A moment of silence, please. Cross your fingers. The Braves and Chicago are tied 1 to 1 in the eighth inning. This is CLOSE!!! Go Braves!

Sam

May 8th, 2012
10:21 pm

Wingfield, the idea is not to elect a congress of mushy moderates who will keep us in the same bog we’ve been in for 40 years, but to elect a strong majority of conservatives that won’t have to look for every opportunity to compromise. Then we can go about enacting some real reform that will shrink the size of government in this country and bring back the kind of commitment to self-reliance and freedom that made the USA great.

Dusty

May 8th, 2012
10:42 pm

@@ 10:19

Whatsa matter with those Wisconsin undecideds? They solved their problem Just vote TWICE!! I think those citizens of the NORTH may have a sense of humor!. That’s kinda funny!!

Don't Tread

May 8th, 2012
10:45 pm

Lugar lost. Me worry? Nope. Anyone who votes for unconstitutional bills such as the Campaign Finance Reform and more recently, the defense bill that allows the government to detain American citizens without trial, deserves to be voted out. (I would prefer impeached, but I guess I’ll settle for voted out.)

MarkV

May 8th, 2012
10:54 pm

Rafe Hollister @8:13 pm

It was you who disputed that there was a movement towards social justice, and your argument was the Constitution. So why didn‘t YOU DEFINE it and show the conflict?

Here is one definition:
The fair and proper administration of laws conforming to the natural law that all persons, irrespective of ethnic origin, gender, possessions, race, religion, etc., are to be treated equally and without prejudice.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/social-justice.html

Now find the conflict.

xdog

May 8th, 2012
10:56 pm

Down goes Lugar, who says “what has promised in this campaign is reflexive votes for a rejectionist orthodoxy and rigid opposition to the actions and proposals of the other party. His answer to the inevitable roadblocks he will encounter in Congress is merely to campaign for more Republicans who embrace the same partisan outlook. He has pledged his support to groups whose prime mission is to cleanse the Republican party of those who stray from orthodoxy as they see it.”

Rejectionist orthodoxy, it’s the new PC.

TruthBe

May 8th, 2012
11:08 pm

Obama has to go. America cannot afford a second term of this dishonest liar of a president in Obama. ALL Americans that love your Country need to vote this poor excuse of a president out of office. The dog catcher would make a better president than Obama. At lease the dog catcher loves his Country. Black Americans YOU need to get the little black chip off your shoulder and vote against Obama as well for the good of your Country.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-panther-leader-shabbaz-whites-will-be-very-very-very-angry-in-november-will-cling-to-their-god-and-their-guns-we-might-have-to-too/

Hillbilly D

May 8th, 2012
11:33 pm

Dusty @ 10:21

You should be thankful that Kerry Wood can’t hit the broad side of a bull’s ass, much less throw strikes. ;-)

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
11:37 pm

Loves me that union strength in Wisconsin tonight. Your boy went down in spectacular flames!

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 8th, 2012
11:58 pm

Er, rather – girl. :D

Finn McCool

May 9th, 2012
5:40 am

Thanks God Mitt bailed out GM…….and killed Osama bin laden!

Whew!
Thanks Mitt!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

May 9th, 2012
7:19 am

obozo “saved” Government Motors!

Thanks to a “sweetheart” tax deal worked out between General Motors and government, the Detroit auto manufacturer won’t have to pay $45.4 billion in taxes on future profits, according to recent reports from the Wall Street Journal and CNN Money.

“Saved” it with your money.

This is what defines an economic genius on Planet Moonbat, take other people’s money, give it to one company and claim success.

Aren’t we all impressed?

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 9th, 2012
7:36 am

NC voted to defend marriage from those who would pervert its meaning. Think Obozo will come out in favor of gay marriage before the election?

Obozo: Coward.

Or does he just need more “flexibility”?

tiredofIT

May 9th, 2012
8:29 am

Willard is a mushy moderate (and major liar), why are you supporting him?

Glenn

May 9th, 2012
8:39 am

The French just elected a socialist president because they want more growth . What am I to make of that ?

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
8:52 am

All your whining about the Repubs being run by radicals is absurd. Just look at WHAT is running the Dems. Certainly you would not honestly label Nanny Pelosi and Harry Reid as moderates based on their voting record. Socialists now run the far left leaning Dem Party. There are ZERO moderates in the Dem Party. In the news today – North Carolina becomes the 30th state to pass a constitutional amendment against homosexual marriage. Oblama will not give his views on homosexual marriage – saying they are still evolving. Get a backbone Prez – even if it costs you votes. We know you are left of center and right in the middle of the Nanny Pelosi’s of this D.C. fantasy world. Oblama is our 1st “Reality Show” President….. also known as “The Great Divider”

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 9th, 2012
8:57 am

@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…

May 9th, 2012
7:19 am
obozo “saved” Government Motors!

Thanks to a “sweetheart” tax deal worked out between General Motors and government, the Detroit auto manufacturer won’t have to pay $45.4 billion in taxes on future profits, according to recent reports from the Wall Street Journal and CNN Money.

“Saved” it with your money.

This is what defines an economic genius on Planet Moonbat, take other people’s money, give it to one company and claim success.

Aren’t we all impressed?

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obozo “saved” Government Motors!

MITT WITT “SAVED” Government Motors, from his mouth to God’s ear.

heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee :)

Romney Now Takes Credit for Rebound

Romney Takes Credit for Auto Industry Turnaround, Reignites Bailout Debate

Mitt Romney Takes Credit For The Auto Bailout. Say, What?

Opposed to auto bailout, Romney now takes credit for rebound

Romney: “I’ll take a lot of credit” for auto industry revival

Romney Wants Credit For Obama Auto Bailout – YouTube

I Report (-: You Whine ) ARE YOU IMPRESSED WITH MITT WITT FOR SAVING

GENERAL MOTORS?

heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehehhee

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 9th, 2012
9:01 am

@Oblama

May 9th, 2012
8:52 am
Oblama will not give his views on homosexual marriage – saying they are still evolving. Get a backbone Prez – even if it costs you votes.

*********************************************************************************

MITT WITT will NOT give his tax returns.

Get a BACKBONE MITT WITT – even if it costs you votes.

heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheee :)

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 9th, 2012
9:04 am

Glenn, pretending to want more growth is just a fig leaf meant to cover up what they really want–less responsibility for maintaining fiscal prudence.

You might convince me otherwise if you can tell me what the new pro-growth policies are.

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 9th, 2012
9:13 am

@TruthBe

May 8th, 2012
11:08 pm
Obama has to go. America cannot afford a second term of this dishonest liar of a president in Obama. ALL Americans that love your Country need to vote this poor excuse of a president out of office. The dog catcher would make a better president than Obama. At lease the dog catcher loves his Country. Black Americans YOU need to get the little black chip off your shoulder and vote against Obama as well for the good of your Country.
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DISHONEST LIAR?

DISHONEST LIAR?

MITT WITT IS A LIAR’S LIAR. NOW THE WORLD KNOWS.

MITT WITT “SAVED” Government Motors, from his mouth to God’s ear.

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Romney Now Takes Credit for Rebound

Romney Takes Credit for Auto Industry Turnaround, Reignites Bailout Debate

Mitt Romney Takes Credit For The Auto Bailout. Say, What?

Opposed to auto bailout, Romney now takes credit for rebound

Romney: “I’ll take a lot of credit” for auto industry revival

Romney Wants Credit For Obama Auto Bailout

BE CAREFUL OF THE STONES YOU THROW.

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carlosgvv

May 9th, 2012
9:15 am

Kyle, imagine that the president was a centrist Democrat or Republican. Then imagine that the overwhelming majority in the House and Senate were centrist Democrats or Republicans. I’m virtually certain we would all be much better off.

Glenn

May 9th, 2012
9:17 am

Barry

Why do I need to convince you of anything ?. Hollande is a socialist that ran on more growth & less austerity & was elected . Obviously it would be around more government spending . Use the google Barry .

You Can Say What You Say But You Are What You Are

May 9th, 2012
9:20 am

@TruthBe

May 8th, 2012
11:08 pm
Obama has to go. America cannot afford a second term of this dishonest liar of a president in Obama. ALL Americans that love your Country need to vote this poor excuse of a president out of office. The dog catcher would make a better president than Obama. At lease the dog catcher loves his Country. Black Americans YOU need to get the little black chip off your shoulder and vote against Obama as well for the good of your Country.
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WHITE Americans YOU need to get the BIG WHITE CHIP OFF your shoulder and VOTE for

OBAMA and NOT THE HABITUAL LIAR MITT WITT.

Mitt Romney Takes Credit For The Auto Bailout. Say, What?

NYTimes
Op-Ed Contributor
LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT
By MITT ROMNEY
Published: November 18, 2008

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Oblama

May 9th, 2012
9:33 am

Dems have redefined “moderate”…… now means middle of the “far left”.

Just saying..

May 9th, 2012
9:38 am

Congrats to the Indiana GOP stalwarts who tossed out their incumbent Senator last night. No doubt 100% of his voters will support the Republican nominee in November.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 9th, 2012
9:39 am

Newsflash, Glenn. More government spending is not a pro-growth policy. See “Greece”.

Next!

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
9:41 am

synonym for moron = Joe Biden

Glenn

May 9th, 2012
9:43 am

Never said I agreed or disagreed with the French elections Barry . Just found it interesting .I would love to see you debate Hollande , the pro growth socialist . I even love typing it . I almost look at the divide in this country as similar to Europe . The difference is outside currency they are different countries .

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
9:45 am

What’s worse than an Oblama in office? I pray that Oblama remains in good health as his replacement would be (gasp!) Joe Biden.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
9:48 am

Huh? When did Europe become a country Glenn? Did you go to the “Joe Biden School of Geography” ?

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 9th, 2012
9:53 am

Glenn, I like typing “pro-growth socialist” too…it makes me laugh!

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
9:55 am

This election is about the economy, jobs and the alarming multi trillion dollar Fed debt and how to reduce it. It’s not about class warfare/ race warfare/ sex warfare/ victim warfare/ age warfare/ etc., etc. etc. as Oblama is trying to misdirect it with his smoke and mirrors strategy. Dems have no real plan or clue of how to reduce this crushing debt. Time for CHANGE. Time for the Nanny Pelosi Party to GO. Timer for intelligence and common sense. That leaves out Harry Reid, Nanny Pelosi and Joe Biden. Time to fire the “Great Divider” in Chief.

Glenn

May 9th, 2012
9:56 am

Read the last line Oblama

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 9th, 2012
9:58 am

“Kyle, imagine that the president was a centrist Democrat or Republican. Then imagine that the overwhelming majority in the House and Senate were centrist Democrats or Republicans. I’m virtually certain we would all be much better off.”

We did try that. It’s called GWB’s second term. How’d that work out for ya?

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:02 am

The only thing socialists grow is DEBT. Get it Glenn? Socialists grow debt and big government – not the economy. Greece is a prime example of a socialist BAILOUT economy.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:06 am

Definition of the new Dem moderate…… middle of the road socialist …. which does not exist.

carlosgvv

May 9th, 2012
10:07 am

Tiberius – 9:58

If you think George W. Bush and the Republicans in his second term were centrists, you are even more ignorant than I thought.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:11 am

Europe is a continent – not a nation. Why do I have to explain this to you? Because of our great public education system of course.

Glenn

May 9th, 2012
10:11 am

Oblama you must not be a proponent of pro growth socialism ? Actually what you just typed is pretty silly . No offense . China is banking most of the wests debt . Oh except Norway , Finland , & Sweden . Socialist countries that have a balanced budget . You do know China’s banking is state run right ?

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:12 am

Nanny Pelosi went to school on the short bus.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:16 am

Pro growth socialism is an oxymoron and China is communist run. What does that have to do with Europe. China is a country. Europe is a continent. Look it up.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:20 am

There is not a single country of any importance that has a current balanced budget … that includes socialist countries. Japan is second to China in owning the U.S.A.’s bonds (debt). Sweden? Come on….. you made a funny?

Just saying..

May 9th, 2012
10:21 am

Oblama
May 9th, 2012
8:52 am: “…there are ZERO moderates in the Dem Party.

Which is why they hold the Senate and the Presidency, obviously.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:24 am

Oblama is like going all in with a deuce seven off suit and hoping you hit a full house. He’s our 1st “Reality Show” President.

Glenn

May 9th, 2012
10:26 am

Yes Europe is a continent . Thats why I mentioned the difference between us and Europe is they are several countries . The idea of you using short bus in reference to others is comical .

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:30 am

Just saying – Glad you admit there are no longer any “real” moderates in the Dem Party as most of them were voted out and replaced with Repubs. However, the Dems currently OCCUPY the White House and Senate because “W” tried to be a moderate and failed. Moderates are not popular right now – on either side.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:32 am

Short bus is comical and Nanny Pelosi is a sad joke.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 9th, 2012
10:33 am

Yeah, carlos, ’cause increasing our debt via social programs is such a conservative idea. :roll:

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:37 am

I am for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution …. like Barney Fife said ” Nip this out of control spending in the bud”. Terms limits and a balanced budget amendment will restore order to the people that vote and not the Fed government that thinks it is the boss.

Terrence

May 9th, 2012
10:38 am

The French just elected a socialist president because they want more growth . What am I to make of that ?

Misguided fools.

Hollande thinks slugs are the same as real coin.

HDB

May 9th, 2012
10:39 am

Rafe Hollister

May 8th, 2012
6:13 pm

“Yeah, but the Constitution is not. The country was founded on equal justice for all, i.e. individual justice that is equally applied.”

BULLS#!T! This country was founded on privilege….note it was rich, white landowners who had the power! Women and minorities were only considered as PROPERTY! Justice has never been equally applied! A white person can steal millions and only get months in jail while any minority steals $100…and they get 20 years!! Laws were written to protect the ruling class…and marginalize everyone else!!

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:39 am

Coming soon : Nanny Pelosi – The Reality Show”.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:41 am

HDB…. twenty years for stealing $100? Better to murder I guess since you will get out in 10 years with “good behavior”.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
10:43 am

If you get the O.J. Jury you walk – even if you are guilty.

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
11:05 am

After the “Great Depression ll” leftists will be non existent and labor unions will be past history. The Dem Party and Repub Party will fold and there will be a New U.S.A. Order. Big Government will no longer be in style. There will be a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution voted in to existence by the citizens of every state in the U.S.A. – even Vermont. There will be Term Limits for Congress added to the Constitution and voted in by EVERY state in the U.S.A. Social Security, Medicare and other socialist leaning programs will have failed and folded. Oblamacare will be a pipe dream. Small Government and State’s Rights will prevail. There will be a total and complete loss of faith and hope in this failed big government. Jobs will be created in the private sector and big government “job creation” will be shown as a fraud. Can you say “REVOLUTION”? It’s coming sooner than you think. It will be crushing. It will be necessary. The Fed government’s credit card has maxed out and your credit will soon be DENIED. Ironically, checks in the mail from the Fed will be refused at the Banks they bailed out. How do you like your big government now?

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
11:16 am

gone today – here tomorrow

Oblama

May 9th, 2012
11:18 am

Hillbilly D

May 9th, 2012
11:23 am

like Barney Fife said ” Nip this out of control spending in the bud”

It’s about 40 odd years too late for that.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

May 9th, 2012
11:27 am

If you want to emulate Norway, you’ll need to open up both coasts to oil production–that’s how Norway finances their brand of socialism.

Get on it. Tell your Messiah to stop obstructing progress.

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May 9th, 2012
11:37 am

Seriously!!??!!

Moderate Dems Bail on Obama in Primary Votes

The bad news for Obama is that Keith Judd, Inmate No. 11593-051, serving a 210-month sentence at the Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution in Texas, also outperformed the president’s 2008 West Virginia primary showing.

Judd, who lists himself as a “Rastafarian-Christian” and his career as “Founder, World Peace Through Musical Communications Skills,” took 41 percent of the vote among West Virginia Democrats and carried 10 counties.

This was about hardening resentment against Obama on the state’s top economic issue – Obama’s mounting restrictions on the mining and burning of coal – as well as a general sense among blue-collar, socially conservative Democrats that there isn’t a place for them in Obama’s party.

I didn’t know Rastafarians wore collars…more into T-shirts.

Too funny!

“Fire de a Mus Mus tail, him tink a cool breeze”.

schnirt

Dusty

May 9th, 2012
11:42 am

Whatsa matter here? No wild celebration over the Braves’ win last night? A fine pitching job by a new young Braves pitcher Delgado? And yes, HillBilly, a little bit of thanks to Mr. Kerry whatshisname of the Chicago team. His pitching was helpful to the Braves.

But we all know that we can defeat anything out of Chicago! The next big election will also prove that!. We gave them one chance and that is all they get! Go Braves! Go Romney!

Oh and one more thing, I would like to invite all the rich French folks who are packing their bags to come to the lovely climate and confines of Georgia. You will love us. We’ll roll out the truffles and hot biscuits for you! Remember: NO 75% INCOME TAX HERE! Welcome Frenchies!

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

May 9th, 2012
11:45 am

That has got to be one of the weirdest stories posted on Kyle’s blog ever, @@.

Uh oh

May 9th, 2012
11:48 am

Dusty

We should serve them “cheesy grits”

Dusty

May 9th, 2012
11:51 am

Wow, @@

A Rastafarian Christian! I’ve got to ask my minister about that one. But I doubt that was covered in seminary.. Peace though music! Sounds like Friday night at Bookman’s.

Dusty

May 9th, 2012
11:56 am

Uh oh 11:48

GREAT IDEA! Cheesy grits for the rich Frenchies! That will get them here! Merci beaucoup!

tiredofIT

May 9th, 2012
5:09 pm

Oblama
May 9th, 2012
10:37 am

I am for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution
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No, it is time for our Government (republican and democrats) to do what is right for the country. You can not govern by appealing to left or right wing party members. If we can’t get passed this, we may just see the end of this country, as we know it. All because of man made problems and greed!

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