Poll Position: Should marijuana be legalized?

Today is considered “Weed Day” by marijuana smokers because the date, 4/20, corresponds with the numbers they use to refer to the drug. The actual origins of the term “420″ are not as widely known, but you can count on thousands of college students gathering — in some cases, together, and in very public locations — to celebrate doing something that’s illegal.

For now, anyway.

Should marijuana be legalized?

  • Yes (1,088 Votes)
  • No (40 Votes)
  • I don't know (15 Votes)

Total Voters: 1,143

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There is a growing shift in public opinion about whether marijuana should be legalized, even in the South, with as unlikely a proponent as Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson arguing that particular drug shouldn’t be treated any differently than alcohol. Gary Johnson, a former governor of New Mexico and erstwhile GOP presidential candidate now seeking the Libertarian Party’s 2012 nomination, has called for legalizing and regulating marijuana, citing the ineffectiveness and costliness of enforcing the ban. People in favor of keeping the current law argue that marijuana can be a “gateway drug” that leads users to experiment with harder, more harmful substances. Georgia’s legislators haven’t gone as far as legalizing pot, but this year they did pass an overhaul of the state’s criminal code that calls for people in possession of small amounts of the drug to face alternatives to jail time.

So, a very simple Poll Position question for today: Should marijuana be legalized? Answer in the nearby poll and in the comments thread.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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251 comments Add your comment

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
10:37 am

It would save a great deal of money if marijunna was not on the “war on drugs” list. Unfortunately, many more lives would be lost in car wrecks caused by high as a kite drivers. So, our choice is money vs lives. The way things are now in America, I would bet on money.

@@

April 20th, 2012
10:38 am

Georgia’s legislators haven’t gone as far as legalizing pot, but this year they did pass an overhaul of the state’s criminal code that calls for people in possession of small amounts of the drug to face alternatives to jail time.

And with THAT, I agree.

I’m not willing to take in revenue at the expense of children.

euler

April 20th, 2012
10:41 am

“Unfortunately, many more lives would be lost in car wrecks caused by high as a kite drivers.”

Citation needed.

Aquagirl

April 20th, 2012
10:45 am

At the very moment society takes baby steps towards legalization, the unions are going to kill Twinkies.

http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2012/04/17/twinkies-survival-hangs-in-balance/

Life is cruel.

Hillbilly D

April 20th, 2012
10:45 am

I’m in my 50’s and I know people who’ve been stoners since we were in high school. It ain’t a pretty sight.

1961_Xer

April 20th, 2012
10:56 am

I’m in my 50’s and I know people who’ve been stoners since we were in high school. They have families, jobs, homes, and are otherwise law-abiding citizens.

JDW

April 20th, 2012
10:57 am

What an idea! Lets take all that money we waste each year fighting the “War on Drugs” and STOP. Make them legal, regulate and tax them. Wow crime goes down, cost goes down and revenue goes up. As for the inevitable, but we have to protect society against themselves bit…WHY???? Those that will–will. Those that won’t–won’t.

The other thing that comes to mind every time this subject comes up is the dichotomy in the position of the Right…

legislate corporations…bad—legislate morals…good.

Makes about as much sense as cut taxes and increase spending.

Aquagirl

April 20th, 2012
10:58 am

I’m not even in my 50’s and the alcoholics from my high school are dropping like flies.

ByteMe

April 20th, 2012
10:59 am

People in favor of keeping the current law argue that marijuana can be a “gateway drug” that leads users to experiment with harder, more harmful substances

The more we learn about how addiction affects our brains, the more we discover that ANYTHING is going to be a “gateway” drug for people whose brains crave that kind of alteration. Alcohol can be the gateway, food can be the gateway, cocaine can be the gateway. Just depends on how the brain is wired. Some people take to it, others do not. Does making it illegal or legal change that? Nope.

Make it just like alcohol: you can buy it if you’re over 18, can’t use it if you’re driving or operating any heavy machinery. And then create a campaign like we do for cigarettes to educate teens on how it can be addictive and not good for your health.

ByteMe

April 20th, 2012
11:01 am

Oh, and I’d tax the heck out of it with the money flowing to the states to set up drug courts and drug rehab facilities.

1961_Xer

April 20th, 2012
11:01 am

“Unfortunately, many more lives would be lost in car wrecks caused by high as a kite drivers.”

I call BS. Those who would smoke and drive are smoking and driving now. Criminals don’t obey laws, so the before and after affects of the law on overall crime are indistinguishable.

If you are worried about car wrecks, a better target for your ire would be cell phones.

1961_Xer

April 20th, 2012
11:04 am

People in favor of keeping the current law argue that marijuana can be a “gateway drug” that leads users to experiment with harder, more harmful substances

Marijuana is a gateway drug because of it’s source, and the people involved in its commerce. The guy selling the pot is also the guy selling the meth. If the pot is obtained from a legal source, then the buyer never comes in contact with the guy selling the meth.

ByteMe

April 20th, 2012
11:06 am

The guy selling the pot is also the guy selling the meth.

he’s also the guy lacing the pot with who knows what to give you a greater kick… and get you hooked on the next thing.

yuzeyurbrane

April 20th, 2012
11:10 am

Kyle, I must admit you occasionally shock me by taking positions which are opposite of what I think your ideas are. This is one of those times.

Aquagirl

April 20th, 2012
11:11 am

Hmmmm….51 to 5 in favor, on a conservative columnist’s page.

Prohibition would be long gone if there weren’t so many people making money off of it.

Rafe Hollister

April 20th, 2012
11:12 am

For once I agree with JDW and 61Xer

You just can’t legislate behavior. People are going to do what they want to do. The consequences of that behavior are often out of line with the offense. I agree with @@ that children suffer when the parents are so selfish, but not sure how we can effectively regulate that. The children suffer now because of alcohol, cigarettes, illiteracy, and the lottery, all legal.

Ivan Cohen

April 20th, 2012
11:12 am

When a suitable method of taxing pot has been found, the walls of resistance will come down. The Generation Xers will be the ones who come up with a solution. Their elders from the free love and flower power generation have shown themselves not up to the task.

zeke

April 20th, 2012
11:15 am

The government(s) have done a poor job! This scourge can be controlled if not eliminated! It has been proven to be a gateway drug. Not everyone, but, probably a majority of those who use become unhappy with the high and want a bigger one. Then comes heroine, cocaine, crack! NO, DO NOT LEGALIZE IT!!

weatherwatcher

April 20th, 2012
11:17 am

Enter your comments here

jconservative

April 20th, 2012
11:22 am

Treat marijuana exactly as we treat alcohol.

Ernest T. Bass

April 20th, 2012
11:24 am

Ive been smoking pot for years and years and never tried any harder drugs.

The whole gateway thing is way overblown.

Some people like to chill with a 6 pack at the end of the day, some a glass or two of wine, and some prefer to get a little stoned.

All the same thing.

Hard drugs …totally different and should remain illegal.

Ernest T. Bass

April 20th, 2012
11:25 am

Treat marijuana exactly as we treat alcohol.

Ditto

TBone

April 20th, 2012
11:28 am

Decriminalize it and allow the limited cultivation of pot for personal use. I don’t smoke the stuff anymore and don’t create a demand for it but the colateral damage done by the drug cartels and the money they are pulling in due to the US appetite for the drug is ridiculous. The time has come for us to revise our strategy. Of course the government will want a cut so they can continue to waste resources.

Brain

April 20th, 2012
11:32 am

Those of you who float the “more wrecks/gateway drug/stoners are not a pretty sight” argument have such tangential, at best, experience with the substance that your comments are not productive to the discussion. You sound like the 50s parents who claimed rock-n-roll would poison kids’ minds.

As it relates to the “more lives will be lost on the highway” train-of-thought, let me make this as clear as I can. Citing some kind of moral superiority argument here disgusts me. Because of the illegality of MJ and the lack of regulation, etc, that would accompany it, literally 10s of thousands of people are dying in drug wars in Mexico. Pius nincompoops like y’all are , indirectly , killing 1000s because of some misplaced and misguided moral compass.

That we have not fully legalized MJ is one of our greatest failings as a country.

Three Jack

April 20th, 2012
11:33 am

I’m in my 50s and see many more people my age addicted to pain pills than pot. Legalize it and re-direct some of the wasted money currently funding the drug war to punishment of doctors handing out oxycontin like it’s freakin candy.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
11:34 am

I have always considered the green space along highways to be wasted space and should be cultivated. What better place for the states to place their weed farms? Then tax it like alcohol.

Skewed stats

April 20th, 2012
11:35 am

I love all of these “gateway” claims from sheep who really have no idea except what the Gub’mint tells them. If you give me an intended outcome…I can frame the statistic in such a way to come up with the conclusion you are seeking. This is how the “gateway” claim gets pushed around this MJ debate. If you interview 1,000 people who smoke MJ…I’ll bet one or two have then gone on to do harder drugs. Now, if you interview 1,000 people who do the harder drugs and ask them how many of you also use MJ I’ll bet it’s probably 999 of them.

PLEASE quit being sheep people and do your own research.

Jefferson

April 20th, 2012
11:36 am

Why should it be illegal would be my question ?

Becky

April 20th, 2012
11:37 am

I agree with the poster that said cell phone usage contributes more to accidents than anything else. Who are these people talking to all day long? I have a cell phone and use maybe 50 minutes a month and never talk while driving.

weatherwatcher

April 20th, 2012
11:39 am

The state will save a ton of money by setting the alternate punishment for small amounts. Having seen both, I am more afraid of what a drunk would do than I am of what someone with a MJ high would do. Drunks can get very violent; potheads, philosophical and paranoid. I had rather ride with a stoned driver than a drunk driver, but given my druthers, would opt to drive myself. It is time to legalize mj and free our law enforcement to pursue the horrible stuff. That said, I wish folks would not put anything unhealthy in their bodies. But anything from prescription drug abuse to too many twinkles or Cokes can prove fatal. I have known people who used weed in the same capacity that some use
xanax, prozac, etc. I do not know which is worse, but I think MJ leaves the body faster and does not leave residuals to destroy the liver. Guess amount smoked would determine lung issue. I’d say alcohol is worse that weed. Also, there is the fact that Hemp is such a wonderful product and we can’t grow it in the US. Hemp has been used for industrial purposes including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, construction, health food and fuel. Hemp is legally grown in many countries across the world including Canada, Spain, China, Japan, Korea, England, France, Africa, North Africa, Egypt and Ireland. With our struggling economy, would it be a help to grow our own hemp instead of importing products. The biodegradable plastic would certainly help our environment. We grown corn, which can be used to make squeezing, we grow potatoes, which can be used to make vodka, we grow grain, which is used to make beer..but that is not all these products are used to make. We are cutting off our noses to spite our faces. There are millions who would not smoke pot even if it were legal. There are millions who smoke pot, even tho it is illegal, so why not tax it, use it for multiple product manufacturing and allow our country to profit, instead of lawbreakers?

Parking Dawg

April 20th, 2012
11:41 am

How is it that whenever the issue of legalizing pot comes up, opponents can only offer a straw-man argument such as: “high as a kite drivers” and “children?” No one is suggesting making driving while high legal or making it available to kids. So your fallacious premise negates your entire argument. DUI and underage use laws are still in effect. Why not take the issue on directly? At least give an argument against pot that doesn’t pertain to a second crime taking place.

I find it most interesting that many will go home and open a beer, or bottle of wine, or mix a drink and then condemn someone for consuming something more natural then the manipulated fermented sugars in their glass. For many who live with alcholism, they either can’t enjoy your same escape, or do so with typically regretable consequences (because it’s “legal”). For others consuming a plant that, if you’re a God fearing person, was created by God, provides a similiar escape. However, a mild hallucenigenic one that causes the user to become docile if not giddy. You won’t find many “stoners” picking fights.

Again, I have yet to read or hear an argument against the legalization of pot that doesn’t pertain to someone committing some other crime while under its influcence, but no valid arguments against the drug itself or its legalization.

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
11:44 am

1961_Xer

So, if pot was legalized you don’t think the number of pot smokers would increase? And, if the number did increase, you don’t think the number of pot smoking drivers would increase?

Class of '98

April 20th, 2012
11:47 am

Marijuana is a gateway drug simply BECAUSE it is illegal. It exposes users to the black market (where harder drugs are available), and desensitizes them to breaking the law.

Also, experimenters with weed may think, “THIS is illegal? It is fun and harmless. Maybe the negative effects of cocaine, heroin, etc are also overblown by law enforcement propoganda.”

Class of '98

April 20th, 2012
11:53 am

Also, the only people who think driving stoned is just like driving drunk are people who have never done both. Unless you are really, really, REALLY high, smoking pot actually makes one a SAFER driver because they are relaxed yet focused. I am angry and aggressive when sober, relaxed and patient after puffing a j.

AmVet

April 20th, 2012
11:55 am

Given the results of your poll, Kyle ti looks like you have a bunch of stoner Republicans reading your articles.

LOL.

Must be the same drunks who voted to end Prohibition in all of Georgia’s dead red suburbs…

Progressive Humanist

April 20th, 2012
12:00 pm

Stupidity is the gateway to conservatism.

Parking Dawg

April 20th, 2012
12:00 pm

@CarlosGVV – In response to your question to 1961_Xer. Do you really think that if pot becomes legal that thousands of people who never consumed a drug before are going to say, “Hey great, now pot is legal, let’s go get high and drive.” The plain truth is that those who would get behind the wheel of a car high will do so using “legal drugs” as well. Again, the problem isn’t with pot, it is with the individual choices.

Class of '98

April 20th, 2012
12:05 pm

Meaningless slogans are the gateway to liberalism. YES WE CAN!

Parking Dawg

April 20th, 2012
12:09 pm

@Progressive Humanist – I’m a conservative in favor of the legalization of pot, so why don’t you keep your morally unanchored ad hominem attacks to yourself? “Progressives” haven’t cornered the market on intellect.

Heck, I’m still waiting for someone on this board to post a valid argument against legalization that doesn’t involve committing another crime. What is wrong with legalizing pot?

Darwin

April 20th, 2012
12:15 pm

Interesting how not too long ago, conservatives’ motto was “throw them all in jail and let em rot!’ It fired up the base. You know, right wing politicians on the take. You gotta give the masses something, right? Pro-file, anti-gay, anti-drugs and crime. Test the welfare recipients. You know the game. So now, with tight budgets, and the right wing running everything, it’s now – “we can’t afford this.” Now it’s alternative sentencing. What a bunch of hypocrites!

Class of '98

April 20th, 2012
12:17 pm

AmVet,

I was in favor of Sunday sales, not because I am a drunk, but because I believe in personal liberty.

It seems like a veteran would appreciate that.

dc

April 20th, 2012
12:23 pm

I figure that the attorneys and the criminal justice system are BIG TIME against legalizing any drugs. They would face a HUGE loss of revenue from seizures, fines, and lawyer fees.

Sadly, this is a serious issue……there will be many whose livelihood depends on drugs being illegal, beyond just the drug dealers.

ScooterTom69

April 20th, 2012
12:26 pm

I’m 50 years old and have been smoking pot for over 30 years as have many of my friends.
We are all productive members of society, we go to work everyday, support our families, go tom church, pay our taxes and so forth.
I am all for the de-criminalization of marijuana if there was a way to tax it and treat it just like alcohol.
I do my own thing on my time.
I plan on celebrating “420″ as soon as I get home from work today.
And by the way, you do not get “hooked” on marijuana, there has been no proof that anyone has ever had a physical addiction to marijuana.
Now I’m all for keeping other drugs such as cocaine, crack, heroin, etc illegal.
I have NO use what so ever for these drugs.
Anyone ever here of a “pothead” robbing folks or breaking in to homes to support their habit?
’nuff said, HAPPY 420 YALL!!!

Not Blind

April 20th, 2012
12:26 pm

Yeah, let’s send the message to our young –

Pot is good ! Get high !

Heck with going to work, get high !

Heck with going to school, get high !

Everything will be all right if you get high often enough !

Heck with paying rent, buy pot !!!

Heck with saving for retirement, buy pot !!!!

The heck with…. what was I just going to say ??? Brain ain’t what it used to be but it can’t be the pot, where’s the proof ?

There may be something more short sighted than legalizing marijuana but I can’t think of it .

Logical Dude

April 20th, 2012
12:27 pm

The War on Drugs has a huge collateral damage by keeping the drug lords in power.

Prohibition has been shown not to work. Legalize it.
Legalize everything. Get it out in the open. Tax it, control it, and restrict it. But throwing people in jail for medical issues is the wrong way to go. (yes, calling addiction a medical issue).

This will reduce the amount of jail space that puts our country the tops in jailed citizens.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
12:27 pm

This issue does speak to drug testing those getting assistance doesn’t it?

John Ellison

April 20th, 2012
12:28 pm

Every time a drug dealer is arrested, another one takes his place. So, what was accomplished? Doing the same thing and expecting different results = insanity!

Intown

April 20th, 2012
12:28 pm

A friend cleverly referred to today as “National Glaucoma Awareness Day”

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
12:29 pm

How come smoking tobacco is so injurious to your health but smoking marijuana is just the thing to make you happy and healthy?

Somebody is wrong about something!

Can’t some of you live without “props” to keep you going with a goofy smile? Weaklings! Go spend your money on something worthwhile, legal and healthy for a change.

dc

April 20th, 2012
12:29 pm

and remember, Parking Dawg, Tolerance isn’t something “Progressives (whatever the heck that means)” actually do, it’s just something they use to force everyone else to toe the line. In my experience, the most intolerant people in the world are so called progressives.

Allison

April 20th, 2012
12:30 pm

Not only should we legalize marijuana but so should Mexico. Just think what that would do for the economy of Mexico. Then everyone would be trying to sneak into Mexico. Sounds like a brilliant idea to me.

Not Blind

April 20th, 2012
12:30 pm

@ Scooter Tom. Lots of life long cigarette smokers die of old age, does that make smoking them smart ? 400,000 dead every year says otherwise. Pot is the same. Lots can control it but for lots of others it controls them. You are an anomaly, not the norm [ or you are full of bs, this is the internet after all ].

ScooterTom69

April 20th, 2012
12:31 pm

Spelling nazis need not reply to my post.
I saw my spelling mistakes as soon as I hit the submit button and there is no way to go back and edit your post.
Ya’ll know what I mean.
You may now go about your regularly scheduled activities.

Darwin

April 20th, 2012
12:31 pm

Examples please dc

AmVet

April 20th, 2012
12:32 pm

Kyle, kudos for having the courage to write this article.

98, seems like the bulk of Georgians would have figured that out, oh, say about fifty years ago?

Like virtually the rest of the republic.

The obvious difference is that outside of Dixie, the Christian right wing generally doesn’t run the show.

Though they still wield enormous power.

Look no farther than the spineless Republican Barack Obama, who is opposed to legalization of even medical marijuana.

Beer, alcohol and tobacco corporations, police unions and pharmaceutical companies, all lobby to keep marijuana illegal. Note the defeat of California’s Proposition 19.

And BHO fully understands that marijuana prohibition is a multi-billion dollar business for the corrections industry.

Marijuana laws are archaic, draconian and a major state and federal tax burden, but what the hell.

Long live BIG government.

sheepdawg

April 20th, 2012
12:33 pm

Makes too much sense for politicians to follow thru. All the negatives against marijuana legalization are already approved for alcohol, tobacco, and sugar.

Class of '98

April 20th, 2012
12:36 pm

Dusty,

Why is it that people who have never smoked it are experts on it?

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
12:36 pm

Drug lords? Without people buying drugs, the drug lords would dry up.

As the president of Mexico once noted quite clearly, if nobody bought drugs & marijuana in the USA there would be no drug lords sending illegal material there. Get it? No buyers? No drug lords.

So cry a river all you addicts. YOU are the problem. Marijuana is just a weed in the wilderness.

Tim

April 20th, 2012
12:38 pm

Of course it should be legalized FOR ADULTS.

I emphasize “for adults” because prohibitionists always play the Kid Card.

“What about the children?… blah blah blah”.

It’s not about the children, it would be illegal for them regardless. It’s about adults being able to purchase marijuana through a regulated marketplace just like Alcohol, Caffeine, and Tobacco. There is no logical reason why a grown person should have to go in the street to purchase pot.

Logical Dude

April 20th, 2012
12:38 pm

Dusty: Get it? No buyers? No drug lords

Come back to reality. If it’s available, people will buy it.

Now, do you want them to buy it from a regulated and taxed industry, or a violent drug lord system?

Ending prohibition has shown that there is a way out of the drug lord system.

ScooterTom69

April 20th, 2012
12:39 pm

@ Not Blind, I’m tellin’ it like it is.
I don’t smoke every day, but when I feel like smoking, I smoke.
I’m more of a “weekend stoner”.
I know that marijuna may not be good for my lungs, but it does not contain the thousands of chemicals found in tobacco processed for cigarettes, which by the way, I do not smoke and can not stand cigarette smoke.

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
12:41 pm

Class of ‘98,

You don’t have to smoke marijuana to know that it is harmful.

You don’t have to have cancer to know that it is harmful.

You don’t have to drown to know that it kills you.

You don’t have to be born stupid to harm yourself knowingly but it does help.

just the facts

April 20th, 2012
12:41 pm

pot is not a gateway, been proven time and time again

legalization has curtailed soft and hard drug use in other countries

noone has EVER dies of a pot overdose while some states have more (legal) perscription drug related deaths than car accident deaths

the roots of pot prohibition are based in anti-Mexican ansd anti-Black paranoia dating back to early 1900’s

you will not go to hell for smoking pot

every day violent crimminals get early parole to make room for non-violent pot violators.

wake up America, stand up for waht is right

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
12:43 pm

Parking Dawg – 12:00

If pot is legalized, it stands to reason many millions of Americans will try it and become regular users. Most of these people will be licensed drivers. So, if you think the number of stoned drivers won’t dramatically increase with legalization, you’re just not thinking.

just the facts

April 20th, 2012
12:47 pm

Ok lets talk about ‘lacing’ pot. This is a HUGE myth fed to anyone whoes dumb enought ot listen bby bible thumping idiots and do nothing legilators. Pot is not laced with anything, there are no voodoo dust sprinkled on pot to get people hooked, ect. If you were a pot dealer, what exactly would you gain from adding more cost to your product. This is a 1950’s era myth that still scares people today. it’s so painfully obvious that people who are not involved with pot have no idea of what the product is, what it does, or the upsides and downsides. Why don’t you get a stack of bibles and go live in a bunker somewhere.

Aquagirl

April 20th, 2012
12:48 pm

If pot is legalized, it stands to reason many millions of Americans will try it and become regular users.

Sounds like somebody’s afraid they can’t control themselves without big-nanny government.

If the only thing standing between you and pot-suffused oblivion is a minor law, please don’t project your personal weakness onto everyone else. Go get help.

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
12:49 pm

I voted yes, think the poll question does not go far enough. I would repeal the entire Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 or whenever it was – contributes nothing beneficial to society. Through its Byzantine regulations the FDA kills more American each year than it has saved in its entire existence, and the costs it adds to health care are incalculable.

As to the specific subject, I cannot speak from personal experience – never tried the stuff, I’m too cheap – but when I have encountered people on marijuana I have never believed myself at risk. There may be an argument for restriction/prohibition of such behavior-altering drugs as cocaine and derivatives, methamphetamine and derivatives, and alcohol and derivatives – think that is irrelevant to any argument over whether we need to punish marijuana possession/use/trafficking.

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
12:51 pm

OMG, friend Aquagirl and I agree again.

weatherwatcher

April 20th, 2012
12:51 pm

what makes you think millions of Americans aren’t trying it now? same with underage drinking, cigarettes, etc. I do not think the number of stoned driving will increase, I think it will decrease. There are so many people who opt to smoke in a moving car because they don’t have anywhere to go where someone won’t smell it. Least that’s the way it was in college.

Baker

April 20th, 2012
12:56 pm

Wasn’t there a poll taken of law enforcement that said they wanted it legalized?

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
12:56 pm

Seems like a lot of the posts are concerned about stoners driving. I did some deep research on the subject – think it was a documentary called “Up In Smoke” – and stoners drive abnormally slowly, thinking they are going faster than they really are. Not really a risk there.

just the facts

April 20th, 2012
12:57 pm

I can see it now. ordinary citizens are allowed to smoke pot, next day the roads and highways(no pun intended) are crawling with sick pot-addicted red-eye zombies, coming to run over your kids and steal all the white women.

Mom – keep taking your mommy’s little helpers
Kids- be sure to take your personality controlling pills
Dad – Viagra sure does make night time fun right? along with booze and cigs

But for God’s sake make a little heb that has been ingested by millions of people for thousands of years a serious crime, you lak-leg hypocrit

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
12:57 pm

Well, legalizing marijuana MAY have its good points.

We would lose a portion of weakminded citizens at an early age. To help them along, we could establsh legal Marijuana Mojo Halls like the Chinese promoted heroin dens at one time. They could wallow in no-woes wonder. Maybe we could even have marijuana stamps issued instead of food stamps, all regulated by government, of course. .

Yep, go for it. Who needs you? Clear thinkers will prevail.

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
12:58 pm

Aquagirl – 12:48

Nothing in my 12:43 post even remotely suggests I would personally become a pot user and drive while high. Your reading comprehension skills are at an all-time low today. You need to lie down and take a nap. Off you go now. There’s a good girl.

As for you, ragnar, you can go back to sleep now.

just the facts

April 20th, 2012
12:59 pm

Hey Dusty – people are gonna smoke pot if it’s legal or not. Been doing it for decades. Do you want to make these people criminals, to what end?.

tiredofIT

April 20th, 2012
1:00 pm

I believe a prescription should be require to purchase alcohol. Look at the damage done by this drug!

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
1:00 pm

Good afternoon Carlosgv @ 12:58. Somebody’s in a bad mood today, I can tell. Perhaps one of our friends on this blog could give you something to smoke that would soothe your jangled nerves.

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
1:04 pm

Dusty: Here’s the thing, it’s not harmful. I know plenty of very successful people who smoke pot, but you can’t cite any evidence whatsoever that it’s harmful. You know what is more harmful, causes more drastic and unpredictable behavioral changes, yet is prescribed to children every day? Ritalin. It’s sick that you are ok with drugging children, but think adults should not be able to smoke pot.

Ah Dusty, you just say a bunch of junk that means nothing. You obviously don’t actually know anything about pot since nothing you say has any truth to it, no evidence, no citations, no personal experience, no nothing.

Class of '98

April 20th, 2012
1:05 pm

Dusty, you have been brainwashed by anti-drug propaganda. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
1:06 pm

Dusty: THere are already marijuana stamps. You have to buy them from the government for tax purposes to sell marijuana. It’s on the books, look it up.

One more bit of evidence to show you have no clue what you are talking about.

Tell you what, I’ll get high as a kite, you stay sober. And I will kick your butt on any test you can come up with (other than blowing really hard, I can’t compete with you on that).

Bill Cosby

April 20th, 2012
1:07 pm

If marijuana was legalized the economy would be on a good track to prosperity and plus harmless individuals wouldn’t be subjected to the harshness of prison.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
1:08 pm

“Progressives” haven’t cornered the market on intellect. ”

Boy, there’s an understatement if there ever was . . .

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
1:08 pm

Our government has pot listed as more dangerous than cocaine. That alone should tell you how messed up drug laws are.

Peadawg

April 20th, 2012
1:09 pm

“Should marijuana be legalized?”

Yes. Legalize it and regulate it just like alcohol. Period.

kevin

April 20th, 2012
1:09 pm

“Not Blind” says : “There may be something more short sighted than legalizing marijuana but I can’t think of it .” Perhaps you are referring to marijuana prohibition, since it hasn’t “solved” the “problem” of individuals choosing to do a substance safer than alcohol and tobacco? 75 years, millions of arrests, trillions of dollars has only created crime and corruption. Hey “Not Blind”, explain why the repeal of alcohol prohibition was “short sighted” too.

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
1:10 pm

Alcohol is the gateway drug — can there be any doubt?

So many people here use “freedom” and “choice” when they are heralding an issue and use these words to frame the it. The same basic ideas become “strength” or “weakness” from the same group when they are in opposition.

Aquagirl

April 20th, 2012
1:10 pm

Nothing in my 12:43 post even remotely suggests I would personally become a pot user and drive while high.

Nothing in Ted Haggard’s speeches remotely suggested he was gay. Except for all his fretting over those homosexuals lurking everywhere, held back only by godly Republican laws.

kevin

April 20th, 2012
1:12 pm

“Comparing traffic deaths over time in states with and without medical marijuana law changes, the researchers found that fatal car wrecks dropped by 9% in states that legalized medical use — which was largely attributable to a decline in drunk driving. Driving under the influence of marijuana seems to be less risky because people who are high tend to be aware that they are impaired and compensate, while alcohol tends to increase recklessness and create false confidence.” Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/why-medical-marijuana-laws-reduce-traffic-deaths/#ixzz1nJkUAkGi

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
1:14 pm

Ragnar,

Please think again. Are you sure you want to be on I 285 with a crowd of drivers with slow mental and physical reflexes? All of them will not drive on the far right lane. They’ll be right behind you. Watch out! Slowing up ahead!

Kyle Wingfield

April 20th, 2012
1:14 pm

I must say, I thought there would be a substantial majority in favor of legalization, but I did not think it would be (as I write this) 93.3% in favor. The only question I recall being more lopsided related to Sunday sales, which had the approval of 94.1% of you (and with a much larger number of votes cast).

stands for decibels

April 20th, 2012
1:16 pm

Not thrilled with the idea of proceeding right to legalization. I’m conservative that way, tend to want to phase in such things.

So I’d carefully move first to decriminalization of cultivation and possession of small amounts for ostensibly personal use, ideally. See how that works out, then consider legalizing some kind of controlled, regulated marketplace for the drug, down the road.

But I didn’t have that choice, so I went with “Yes,” as did an overwhelming majority of Kyle’s readers.

AmVet

April 20th, 2012
1:16 pm

Yeah rags, that damn deadly EPA.

Without those interventionists we could have had a boatload more people have deformed babies by using thalidomide like the Europeans did.

And the Elixir Sulfanilamide tragedy, in which over 100 people died after using a drug formulated with a toxic, untested solvent?

Tough t*tties. Caveat emptor.

And I never did understand why the government had to step in and check up on all that pesticide stuff?

What’s a little poison marketed between friends?

Yep, let the free market police itself, right cons? Isn’t that your battle cry?

just the facts

April 20th, 2012
1:18 pm

you ever met a violent pot head? NO
would you rather run into a pothead in a dark ally or a dunk or a coke head or a meth head or a oxy-pill popper?
Think people, it’s called a soft drug for a reason. Try to wash away all the mis-information you were raised on and do the right thing would you please?

Peadawg

April 20th, 2012
1:19 pm

Kyle,

Marijuana is no different than Alcohol imo. Have the marijuana laws 100% mirror the alcohol laws.

just the facts

April 20th, 2012
1:19 pm

if pot is the end of the world, how are we still around if millions of americans ALREADY smoke it regularly?

Inject some logic into the discussion, enough with the reefer madness, think for yourselves

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
1:21 pm

Kevin. 1:12

Your report sounds accurate. It said “People who are high tend to know they are impaired..”.

So marijuana users don’t mind being impaired because they are less impaired than those drinking alcohol.

Wonderful! So we end up with a large number of impaired drivers on expressways and that is good news?

Doesn’t take much to keep some people happy.

just the facts

April 20th, 2012
1:22 pm

Dusty- pot being illeagal is helping metro traffic, really is that the best you got? I know we’re ppiling on you but man you just aren’t making sense.

The only thing bad about pot is it is illeagal

stands for decibels

April 20th, 2012
1:22 pm

Marijuana is no different than Alcohol imo.

Well, it’s a crapload easier to kick. (imo.)

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
1:26 pm

Just the Facts, 1:19

Why do you need “something” to keep you going? That is the question.

Healthy people do not need “something” to push them along or slow them down.. Maybe you have forgotten that normal state.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
1:28 pm

A few thoughts on this particular subject:

First, I’ve never tried pot. Was the only airman out of 50 in my basic training flight to never have done so. Also, didn’t have my first drink until after I turned 21 (and didn’t even do that on my birthday). Outside of a few family and pet losses, I’ve never had the need, nor the desire, to alter my mood artificially. Bottom-line; I’m pretty high on life, even when things don’t always go my way.

That being said, I’ve always been about individual liberty AND responsibility.

On the down side, I’ve seen what drugs can do to people when they allow them to take hold, especially when their local supplier laces them with something designed to get them to move up in addiction, as happens with meth all too regularly these days.

On the up side, I’ve known plenty of people who use on a regular (not constant) basis who live productive, if not especially successful lives. Where they differ from my associates who drink is that initiative isn’t hammered out of them with alcohol, where 8 times out of 10 it seems to be with my pot user friends.

So my answer to Kyle’s question is no to legalization, but yes to decriminalization.

I don’t want government getting into the regulation of any particular product, especially one where addiction is involved, nor do I want them finding yet another revenue stream to fund an ever-burgeoning nanny state.

So if you want to get high, do so. But don’t expect me to hire you if you use the stuff, and don’t expect me to treat you any differently that I do today in demanding you take a drug test if you work for me. Don’t expect me to coddle you if you do happen to injure or kill someone while under the influence and I’m on your jury. And don’t blame me if your supplier puts a little something extra in your next batch of pot (although if you finger him or her, I’ll gladly put them behind bars for a minimum sentence of 10 years without parole).

1961_Xer

April 20th, 2012
1:28 pm

Kyle, everyone who has ever tried pot or smoked it on a regular basis knows the truth. And the truth is that this has been a HUGE government lie. I have first hand knowledge of dozens of lifetime smokers. They have jobs, and families, and homes, and cars, and pay taxes. Some are engineers, some are salesmen, some are construction workers…. all types of people from all walks of life. Some are athletically very competitive… something I have never seen in cigarette smokers or alcohol abusers. They don’t crash cars, and I would not hesitate to ride with a stoned driver but I would NEVER ride with a drunk driver.

Some folks are always going to have problems with this drug or that. Some folks will have trouble with marijuana. But the vast majority won’t, and know that it is a jack-booted government scam for it to be illegal.

Use of pot while driving is certainly no more mind bending than taking a benedryl or pseudofed.

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
1:28 pm

Dear Dusty @ 1:14, fair question: “Are you sure you want to be on I 285 with a crowd of drivers with slow mental and physical reflexes? All of them will not drive on the far right lane. They’ll be right behind you. Watch out! Slowing up ahead!” In a perverse way, that explains the current Atlanta traffic problems. Always wondered why we crept along at 15 mph.

stands for decibels

April 20th, 2012
1:30 pm

Healthy people do not need “something” to push them along

I’m healthy as all get-out, but you’ll pry my coffee mug from my cold, dead fingers, Dusty!

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
1:31 pm

Just the Facts 1:22

“IMPAIRED” means “to weaken or make worse or diminish in value or excellence”.

That is not the kind of drivers we need on the road.

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
1:32 pm

Dear Tiberius @ 1:28, good afternoon, I think you accurately catalog the problem(s) with stoners, but I disagree on “causation.” I think there is a personality/mental defect that draws stoners to marijuana. In a prior world we would have dismissed the absence of drive as the character of a “slacker” – same people, somewhat different choice in leisure activities.

1961_Xer

April 20th, 2012
1:32 pm

one last thought: laws that make criminals of ordinary folks breed discontent and disrespect for the law. This is one of those laws.

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
1:34 pm

Errata, I did not intentionally exclude the possibility of “genetics” in explaining the attraction marijuana holds for some – I am convinced there is a body chemistry issue that compels tobacco use, and suspect that could also be the case for stoners.

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
1:39 pm

Funny headline in Taranto yesterday, on topic: (If you do not know Taranto’s style, his joke/commentary precedes the actual headline)

‘Pot Had Helped, and Booze; Maybe a Little Blow When You Could Afford It’
“On Drugs, Obama Should Lead, Not Follow Old Arguments”–headline, News Tribune (Tacoma, Wash.), April 19

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
1:40 pm

Ragnar:

“the FDA kills more American each year than it has saved in its entire existence”

This is an outright lie. My only question is why you would write something so obviously untrue?

Tim

April 20th, 2012
1:41 pm

We have to stop allowing these Prohibitionists to play the “Kid Card”.

Many of these same people don’t even care if a child has health insurance. But yet when it comes to drugs, all of a sudden they are so concerned about the health and well-being of the children. Please.

But they have no problem when the Corporate Drug Dealers- the Pharmaceutical Companies- sell drugs to kids. They hook kids on Adderall, Ritalin, Antidepressants, etc.– and the prohibitionists say nothing.

And what about these so-called Energy Drinks like Monster. These companies shoudn’t be allowed to call them that. These are really Drug Drinks, with high levels of Caffeine and other drugs unsuitable for children. But do these people obsessed with marijuana ever complain about that? No they don’t. Just spare me with your sanctimonious BS. There is no rational reason to prohibit an organic drug that is non-toxic and has no dangerous side effects when all of the legal drugs are the opposite.

tiredofIT

April 20th, 2012
1:42 pm

“Why do you need “something” to keep you going?” That’s what I wonder about religion?

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
1:46 pm

Dusty:

It is illegal to drive stoned, just as it is to drive drunk.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
1:46 pm

ragnar, agreed to a point. While not being a doctor (although I played on on TV ;) ), my empirical evidence is that pot makes those who are re-disposed to being “slackers” just that more “slack-ish”.

I have yet to meet what some might call a “Type-A, hard-charging” personality who has regularly used pot, however.

Jefferson

April 20th, 2012
1:46 pm

Nixon’s gone and lost his throne…

Common Sense

April 20th, 2012
1:48 pm

When Nixon commissioned a study into the risks of marijuana, he got the report, read it, threw it in the trash, and then launched the war on drugs.

The more government lies about it,and we figure out the lies, the less credibility it has.

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
1:48 pm

Ragnar;

“a body chemistry issue that compels tobacco use”
Close, it’s called nicotine, one of the most highly addictive chemicals on the planet.

Teri

April 20th, 2012
1:48 pm

First of all how many car accidents have been reported due to being high? Second of all have you ever driven high? I am a Hugh advocate for legalizing weed. I have severe problems with my stomach and my weight and marijuana is the only way I can eat and keep a health weight. If you just educate yourself on this wonder natural plant you would find out that nobody has ever died from smoking weed. More people are dying because it is not legal. Its OK to take a pill that a doctor prescribes to you because you trust your doctor. Well guess what they are in it for the money. That pill they just gave you may help your symptoms for a minute but it is doing long term damage that can’t be reversed and could end up in death, marijuana helps and will never kill you. what is wrong with this country open your eyes!!!

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
1:49 pm

“the FDA kills more American jobs each year than it has saved lives in its entire existence”

For me, this is a much more accurate statement, ragnar.

(Although your original one could be true as well, Real Athens’ poutrage aside)

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
1:51 pm

“I have yet to meet what some might call a “Type-A, hard-charging” personality who has regularly used pot, however.”

Um, you’re aware of a phenomenon called professional sports?

Joe Mama

April 20th, 2012
1:52 pm

Three Jack — “I’m in my 50s and see many more people my age addicted to pain pills than pot. Legalize it and re-direct some of the wasted money currently funding the drug war to punishment of doctors handing out oxycontin like it’s freakin candy.”

This. ^^^

A meth-head will stick a gun in your ribs to get his fix. A smack addict will put a knife to your throat. An oxycontin freak will go doctor shopping and someone on Special K will break into veterinarians’ offices.

But a hippie who smokes dope will sit on the couch and giggle. You’ve got nothing to fear from that hippie unless you’re a pizza or a Twinkie.

I’m a lot more worried about a meth-head than I am about a hippie with a doob.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
1:54 pm

“I have severe problems with my stomach and my weight and marijuana is the only way I can eat and keep a health weight.”

BS, Teri. You’re just using pot as a crutch to justify it’s use. Try a balanced diet and EXERCISE (and a modicum of self-control) to keep a healthy weight.

Knirpsj

April 20th, 2012
1:57 pm

“Not Blind” , I totally agree. I prefer the message that weve got going right now.

Dont like Mexicans? Dont worry, the drug war will kill them off in droves.

Many leading economists agree that its impossible to end drug consumption with the current illegal model? This is ‘Merica, since when did we listen to experts!? Sure the supply and use of drugs hasnt changed much in the last 40 years but keep beating your face against the prohibition wall and somethings bound to change.

Theres no need to inject any logic or pragmatism to our drug policy. Here in the states we operate on ideological moralism no matter if it ends up costing us more in the end.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
1:57 pm

“Um, you’re aware of a phenomenon called professional sports?”

Um, you’re aware of a phenomenon called “regular use”, Real Athens? Professional sports have drug policies that pretty much weed (pun intended :D ) out the regular users in sports these days.

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
1:57 pm

Tibby:

“the FDA kills more American jobs each year than it has saved lives in its entire existence”

“Just ’cause you thunk it, don’t make it so”

There are always going to be people who refuse to believe one word the government (municipal, state or otherwise) tells them. They don’t believe the census, they don’t believe the figures in the federal budget, and they regard EPA statistics as state-sponsored propaganda. Fine. You’ll never get these people to change their minds, so save your breath. Let them, Grover Norquist, and Orly Taitz do whatever it is they do.

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
1:59 pm

Professional sports have drug policies that pretty much weed (pun intended ) out the regular users in sports these days.

LOL. Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:00 pm

And Kyle, I’m not surprised at the vote totals at all. If there is one thing most of the conservatives on your blog agree with, it is getting rid of failed government policies that waste money and don’t produce expected results.

TBone

April 20th, 2012
2:00 pm

What it will take is for law enforcement to simply not enforce much like the federal government has done at the border with mexico. If the government is allowed to regulate, tax, etc. they will screw it up. Keep them out of it.

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
2:01 pm

Tiberious: I know one. My buddy’s wife is a regular smoker (and devoted mother), who is also a contracts lawyer who makes a ton of money and scares the bejesus out of me with her Type A personality. I would not want to be on the other side of the bargaining table from her, whether or not she’s stoned. I also wouldn’t want to be married to her :)

jconservative

April 20th, 2012
2:01 pm

Kyle, it is 2:00 pm and the vote is 331 for legalization, 13 opposed and a handful of don’t give a hoots.

When will the government catch up with your readers?

MarkV

April 20th, 2012
2:02 pm

Dusty,

This issue was discussed on this blog not so long ago, therefore I am not sure what can be gained by rehashing it. At that time my view was that there should be a careful move towards legalization starting with decriminalization of possession of small amounts, and I have not seen any convincing argument against it. What I wonder, however, seeing your opposition against any such move, is what you suggest should be done. Continue the current policy, which by any measure has been a total failure and, in my view, is doing much more damage than any use of marijuana could do?

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
2:02 pm

Real Athens: And that’s just silly. Of all the things I could say about pot, one thing I would never say is that it’s performance enhancing from an athletic standpoint.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:02 pm

“There are always going to be people who refuse to believe one word the government (municipal, state or otherwise) tells them.”

Just as there will always be people like you who never question what government tells you, spending your life being the happy, little myrmidon-like drone that you are, Real Athens.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:05 pm

Jimmy62, while one bad apple won’t spoil the whole bunch, one hard charger doesn’t reverse the evidence that, by and large, regular pot smokers are less driven people than those who do not use.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:08 pm

Now, everybody on this blog who has been calling for ending the war on drugs due to it’s failure to produce results, how about admitting that if you use the same criteria for the Federal intervention in education, THAT should be ended as well.

Let’s see who the intellectually-honest are on this blog . . .

Odis

April 20th, 2012
2:10 pm

Isn’t ALCOHOL the ultimate gateway drug?

Joe Mama

April 20th, 2012
2:10 pm

Tiberius — “BS, Teri. You’re just using pot as a crutch to justify it’s use. Try a balanced diet and EXERCISE (and a modicum of self-control) to keep a healthy weight.”

Fail. You assume that Teri’s problem is in *losing* weight.

Some cancer patients have had significant success in keeping their weight and appetite *up* by means of using marijuana. The same’s been found for a number of other debilitating diseases.

Jefferson

April 20th, 2012
2:11 pm

Sounds like a control issue.

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
2:11 pm

Tibby:

You have it all wrong, I question everything. Especially the pre-packaged, approved, party messages you espouse.

You just don’t get it? Myrmidon? Why use a seventy five cent word when a dime will do?

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
2:13 pm

Jimmy:

Nowhere am I suggesting pot is performance enhancing. It’s just not the “end all, kill all” that it’s portrayed as. Marijuana (and other drug) use in professional sports is as widespread as it is in American high schools.

Richard

April 20th, 2012
2:17 pm

Let’s quit the BS and be honest about this. If people smoked pot in church instead of drank wine, pot would be legal and alcohol would be illegal.

There is zero justification for a “free society” having prohibition in any form.

Those of you who say absurdities like this one (from Dusty 12:29): “Go spend your money on something worthwhile, legal and healthy for a change.” Oh yeah, that’s a can of worms you want to be opening. Just let the government decide worthwhile ways for you to spend your money.

tiredofIT

April 20th, 2012
2:20 pm

This is the last thing these guys want: Corrections Corp of America

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
2:21 pm

Tiberious: I guess my answer to that is so what?

Unclefast

April 20th, 2012
2:22 pm

If Rotary Club types smoked joints on the links riding in their carts, instead of chugging beer, it would have been legal long ago.

jermwars

April 20th, 2012
2:24 pm

“Marijuana is a gateway drug because of it’s source, and the people involved in its commerce. The guy selling the pot is also the guy selling the meth. If the pot is obtained from a legal source, then the buyer never comes in contact with the guy selling the meth.”

Wow. Brilliant.

He said…pretty sarcastically.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:25 pm

Joe Mama, please head back to the Children’s Table (the Booman blog) where you can troll at will.

If it is a temporary situation regarding keep up weight (such as chemo patient) then I’d agree. But Teri posted no such information.

So take your “fail” and put it where the sun don’t shine.

Josh

April 20th, 2012
2:26 pm

If it were legal, more people would use it. The users and the country as a whole would be worse off. It makes you stupid and lazy – and very difficult to compete economically with the rest of the world.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:27 pm

Jimmy62, I for one don’t care if you want to toke the initiative out of your life. It’s yours to live or ruin.

Just as long as you don’t expect me to prop you up if you can’t find or keep a job good enough to keep you off the government dole.

Aquagirl

April 20th, 2012
2:29 pm

“Go spend your money on something worthwhile, legal and healthy for a change.”

I’m sure Dusty shares this advice with people drinking beer at the Braves’ games. Some of them even have (gasp!) CHILDREN with them! Sitting right next to dad as he ingests his drugs!

But nope, because the government tells Dusty that beer is ok, she doesn’t say a word.

shawn

April 20th, 2012
2:31 pm

I have been smoking for 20 years, job, family,house almost paid for. No arrests, clean record. Should I go to jail and lose my house and job put me and the kids on the streets over a plant?

It’s a good day to remember all of the people that have fallen victim to the human rights crisis known as the “war on drugs”. This year it seems a good day to look forward to the end when people have the right to their own health. Be it taking natural herbal medicine to alter their consciousness or drinking unpasteurized milk to boost their immune system, each individual has the right to decide what goes into their own body not the politicians. “The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to victory!” and like “D” day it is a day that we stand against the eugenics, genocide, bigotry, and other forms of xenophobia that the war on drugs was invented to perpetuate.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:31 pm

“Marijuana (and other drug) use in professional sports is as widespread as it is in American high schools.”

Cite?

“Especially the pre-packaged, approved, party messages you espouse.”

And what party would that be, Real Athens? Given that I do not belong to, nor agree with the agenda of, any organized political party.

victor

April 20th, 2012
2:41 pm

im 26, i smoke pot, ive never been on welfare or gotten so much as a parking ticket in my life. im a college grad and business owner. my friends parents are pot smokers in the same way some have a glass of wine or brandy after dinner (not every day) and they are doctors, surgeons, police officers, teachers, construction workers. ive lived in the texas and drinking is encouraged (even sold next to the checkout at the gas station!) but weed… oh thats “the devil”. what a joke.. cant wait for the oldest generation to die off that way we can start looking at this in a more rational way. tax it, regulate it and make it legal. although… the groups spending the most fighting against it are the prison and police unions cause their “gravy train” of billions of federal dollars would vanish. thats why the head of the DEA in face of facts and science still pretty much says the reason its not legal is “because we said so”.

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
2:42 pm

Marijunna smoke containes some of the same cancer causing compounds as tobacco. Legalizing pot would add millions of new smokers to the population. Eventually, some of them would develop lung cancer and other lung diseases and would be a huge burden on Medicare and Medicade. Since so many of you cons here would like to see Medicare and Medicade eleminated, I suggest you not jump on the legalization bandwagon.

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
2:45 pm

Having known professional athletes across the spectrum: Football, basketball, baseball, golf, tennis and NASCAR — I can attest that drug use is widespread and common while being swept under the rug by the corporations that control them. If the public knew how rampant it was that would ’cause a decrease in revenues. Can’t have that.

There are any number of sports books, biographies, autobiographies, etc. that support my statement.

Joe Mama

April 20th, 2012
2:46 pm

Tiberius — “Joe Mama, please head back to the Children’s Table (the Booman blog) where you can troll at will.”

You’re welcome, T. Always glad to point out the conclusions you’ve leapt to.

“If it is a temporary situation regarding keep up weight (such as chemo patient) then I’d agree. But Teri posted no such information.”

And you didn’t bother to *ask,* did you?

“So take your “fail” and put it where the sun don’t shine.”

If you think that someone would actually smoke pot in an attempt to *lose* weight, then that just puts failsauce on the fail. :D

Again, you’re welcome.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:46 pm

victor, maybe a bit less pot use would allow you to learn what a capital letter is, what apostrophes are and what a paragraph does in helping to make a written argument. ;)

Just saying! :D

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:48 pm

“There are any number of sports books, biographies, autobiographies, etc. that support my statement.”

And apparently nothing online which can.

Why use your opinion when I asked for facts, Real Athens?

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
2:52 pm

“Marijunna smoke containes some of the same cancer causing compounds as tobacco. Legalizing pot would add millions of new smokers to the population.”

carlos, during the last discussion on this, someone posted a link to a study which showed no measurable increases in lung cancers in pot smokers over non-smokers. I suspect it is due to the relatively frequency of use, that being 20-40 cigarettes per day for tobacco users due to the nicotine content in them, vs.the one or two a day for pot users.

I just don’t think your contention carries any water.

Now, weight gain due to excessive munchies . . . . ;)

ragnar danneskjold

April 20th, 2012
2:54 pm

Dear Real Athens @ 1:40, good afternoon, you need to get out more. @ 1:48. you are half right. Ever thought about “why?”

Dear Tiberius @ 1:48, I concede you may be right on all points here.

KOGORO

April 20th, 2012
2:55 pm

anyone who uses the word “heck” five times in a comment, “you know you shouldn’t listen to.

From personal experience

April 20th, 2012
2:58 pm

How many people you know die of chirrosis of the liver from smoking too much pot. True story, I have 5 uncles, and 3 are still alive and doing well financially and regularly smoke pot. The other two were alcoholics and died of chirossis of the liver and the other an alcohol related stroke from long term abuse. The two that died from the alcohol related diseases died at relatively young ages. The other three “stoners” are in their late 50’s and about to retire. Hmmm and pot is illegal and alcohol isn’t because……

[...] Follow this link: Poll Position: Should marijuana be legalized? – Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
3:11 pm

Well, marijuana smokers have more excuses for their weakness than a dog has fleas.

Let’s see besides” everybody is doing it”. There’s “my health problems, my genetic structure, my aversion to law, the government messed it up, doctors are prescribing other drugs, children take other drugs, impaired drivers don’t hurt anybody, allergy remedies bad, drug companies bad, FDA bad, coffee has caffeine sooo, there’s wine at church, aint hurtin’ nobody, drug dealers not selling anything bad, I’m independent soooo, ever’body I know ..all wonderful but high, professional sport athletes are on something,, everybody is happy & harmless (like a butterfly), 90% Amercians use marijuana.”

Now that last one may be right.

The country is in deep debt, banks closing, mortgages failing, umemployment high, patriotism low and a majority of citizens are HIGH.

Well, there you go, weaklings. Americans high or situations make Americans high? I’ve given you another excuse for your lack of self control. Got any other new excuses?

@BNelson0403

April 20th, 2012
3:13 pm

@Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!

College sports and marijuana

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7819621/ncf-oregon-ducks-deny-drug-culture-eugene-espn-magazine

Have expectations for parents fallen so low that they are no longer expected to provide any kind of guidance on how to become a productive member of society? Why must we rely on the government to “nerf” the world in order for us to feel safe? Are you saying that you lack the ability to make informed decisions without some kind of “higher power” removing the ability to choose? It’s not my right to tell anyone else how to live their life. Why is it so hard for prohibitionists to imagine a way of life other than their own

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
3:15 pm

Ahh, carlosgv, always on the anti-freedom side of every issue. I’m so surprised.

Show Low Here We Come

April 20th, 2012
3:16 pm

dusty – ever hear the one about “judge not, and ye shall not be judged”? just sayin’… maybe someone can slip her a brownie…

BlahBlahBlah

April 20th, 2012
3:18 pm

As of 3:18pm it’s 474 yes, 18 no. And this is on a conservative blogger’s page. The time has come. Legalize it.

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
3:19 pm

Dusty: You’ve yet to present a single valid argument against legalization. We’re still waiting.

This is yet another area where liberals are such hypocrites (not about Dusty, I have no idea what his politics are, though from what he’s said about pot, it’s likely he’s liberal)… They say they are all about freedom and tolerance, but the reality is they think they know better than you, and will use the government to force you to live how they want you to live. They are one of the most intolerant groups on Earth.

JustTheFacts

April 20th, 2012
3:19 pm

Educate yourself instead of spewing propaganda.

<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4506595&page=1"
<a href="http://scienceblog.com/18538/thc-cuts-lung-cancer-growth-spread/"
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/01/11/marijuana-doesnt-appear-to-harm-lung-function-study-finds/"
<a href="http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/173610/government-study-smoking-weed-even-a-lot-doesnt-damage-lungs/

I find it humorous (and sad) how many mental lightweights who have probably never even seen marijuana will repeat the “impaired drivers, gateway drug, bad for your health, blah, blah, blah” BS over and over. If you want to really educate yourself as to the real reason marijuana is illegal, do some research on Dupont’s invention of nylon in 1935 and Harry Anslinger’s (Commissioner of FBN, precursor to the DEA) and Anslinger’s tie-in with Dupont.

BlahBlahBlah

April 20th, 2012
3:20 pm

victor nailed it. The prison-industrial complex would hate to see weed legal. There goes their jobs.

AmVet

April 20th, 2012
3:20 pm

This is an outright lie. My only question is why you would write something so obviously untrue?

It’s called a lack of intellectual honesty driven by nothing but willfully stupid, mad as a March hare ideology, Real Athens…

JustTheFacts

April 20th, 2012
3:21 pm

Oh well, my closing anchor tags didn’t go through but you can copy and paste the links.

David

April 20th, 2012
3:21 pm

It is like the great philospher George Clinton says, “There’s more profit in pretending that we’re stopping it than in selling it”, which really applies to all illegal drugs. while I have a problem with the harder drugs like heroin and cocaine, marijuana, which I feel is much less dangerous than alcohol should be legalized; if for no other reason than to relieve the overcrowding in our jails. Let’s just lock up the real criminals. Another effect would be a decrease in crime because even if heavily taxed, legal drugs would be lot less expensive to produce.

kevin

April 20th, 2012
3:25 pm

Dusty, please tell me you are for re-prohibiting alcohol. That way, I will admit that your beliefs are consistent with an objective, scientific analysis of drug policy. I would like to be able to agree with you on something!

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
3:32 pm

MarkV

You asked a question about my thoughts on marijuana legalization.

As for anything harmful, I prefer that people not use it legally or illegally.

For young people of high school age, perhaps misdemeanors for a limited number of times. For adults, I am not sure about the law now but I would suggest high financial fines and short jail sentences.

Hitting the pockertbook seems to make more impression than incarceration. It might make some people on “high” realize that the world is not one big marshmellow of serendipity in which to coast.. It is a place of promise to which we can contribute with whatever talents we have. .

Mash

April 20th, 2012
3:33 pm

I’m stunned that 95% of the respondents have voted Yes. I guess this poll is proof that we really are living in an uneducated, dumbed-down society.

@BNelson0403

April 20th, 2012
3:40 pm

@Mash

Please provide evidence that marijuana makes you stupid. The only thing your last statement contained was opinion (wildly misguided opinions at that).

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
3:40 pm

Not surprised at all that the libs on here haven’t taken me up on the Federal education intervention question.

@BNelson0403

April 20th, 2012
3:41 pm

I hate how the Feds are interfering with public education. Some kids should be left behind, not everyone is destined to be college bound. What happened to our trade schools and apprentiship/journemen programs?

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

April 20th, 2012
3:42 pm

“I guess this poll is proof that we really are living in an uneducated, dumbed-down society.’

Or maybe we’re just a whole lot smarter than you, Mash.

At least most of us posted reasoned arguments why it should or should not be, while you, sadly, did not.

@BNelson0403

April 20th, 2012
3:49 pm

@Dusty,

Are you religous in any way? No dissrespect or offense intended just curious.

MrLiberty

April 20th, 2012
3:51 pm

You either own your own body or you don’t. Which is it going to be? Does the government own your body? Then that is slavery – plain and simple.

Every drug should be legalized, but cannabis most of all. God, the creator, whatever you will, put this wonderful plant on this planet to be used as with all others. Hemp – the cannabis plant, can be used for food, fuel, paper, clothing, a type of plastic, etc. The list of items is unbelievable. The plant was made illegal because of collusion between government and big business (is anyone actually surprised?). For the most complete historical coverage of this process, check out “The Emperor Wears No Clothes” by Jack Herer.

Legalization does not mean that all personal responsibility goes out the window. Any crime committed under the influence is still a crime, just like under the influence of alcohol or prescription drugs. Legalization is already working in Portugal where all drugs were legalized some years ago.

Every problem we have with drugs is because of prohibition. Irresponsible people will be irresponsible regardless and drugs do not necessarily make things worse. The black market in drugs fuels the crime problem, the profits, and the acceptance of illegal behavior that is associated with those involved.

Again, you either own your own body or the government does. Which is it you so-called small government conservatives or pro civil liberties liberals???

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
3:55 pm

Show low,

Best not to judge individuals. My posts involve the principles of drug use and its impairments. If the shoe fits, wear it but I do not know you and or anybody else here. R U feeling guilty about something?
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Jimmy2

IF you read my posts, you would know that I have presented arguments against the use of marijuana. You do have to read them to know what I post. Try again.
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Kevin,

I do think that some form of prohibition would be helpful. Beverages containing more than a small percentage of alcohol drain the health and finances of many Americans.

As much as I like freedom of choice in major decisions fo;r Americans, I find it hard to approve of any substance that poisons the life of Americans. It can be a little bit or a lot but it seldom has long term good results.

Alcohol & marijuana, both do nothing more than bring a temporary lift while undermining the human body. I do not think that is good.

tacc2

April 20th, 2012
4:00 pm

Legalize and treat cannabis just like we do alcohol. There really is no reason not to. All the people who want to use cannabis already do. It’s not like more people are going to start using (as long as we forbid advertising) it if it is legal. Prohibition does not deter use. It simply increases the price of the prohibited substance. It also causes the people involved in the trade to have no legal recourse when wronged, leaving them with no way to resolve their conflicts aside from violence. i.e. “Dude just stole all our weed! Can’t tell the police, they’ll arrest us. Let’s just go shoot dude and get our weed back!”

weatherwatcher

April 20th, 2012
4:06 pm

Mash, I would say we are living in an enlightened society. There are still some hypocrites, but more are enlightened, than say even a decade ago. People thinking it should be legal are not necessarily users. They just see the hypocrisy and know Reefer Madness was a scare tactic. Some of the smartest, most creative, kindest people I know smoke occasionally..no, it does not take over one’s life. I daresay there are people that you love who smoke, but they probably would never let you know it. I have some friends who drink and smoke occasionally. Given the choice, I prefer when they are smoking. The conversation is more interesting..new ideas abound and no one gets sloppy. When alcohol is the drug of choice, there are usually arguments, people spit when they talk, they repeat themselves, and then you don’t want folks driving. From my limited experience, there has not been the tendency to “overdo” on weed like people do on alcohol. That is an improvement. Alcohol is a much more “dangerous” drug than marijuana and you can buy it by the truckload..and people do. Again, I am not an advocate for either, but alcohol is a lot worse and it is legal.

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
4:06 pm

Dear BNelson0403

You asked, “Are you religious in any way?”

If you mean, do I have faith and attend church, the answer is “Yes.”

And you?

GT

April 20th, 2012
4:17 pm

Truth is you cannot regulate it, so it doesn’t matter how you vote on the subject, the reality is it is here to stay. So many of the Republican planks are undoable, this is one of many. There are people spending real time in prison over something that ultimately becomes legal. Lock em up, kill em, lets go to war, that is about all this group has to offer.

I love it when you point out they ran Newt. “He was never a serious candidate anyway”. I guess that is why he carried the state of Georgia. Deliverance is more than a movie down here; it is a political party.

Gustavo

April 20th, 2012
4:18 pm

The message we need to send to our young is a message of truth and knowledge. We need to start first by being better parents and holding ourselves accountable for your mistakes and our children, not a PLANT for crying out loud. Oh no poor kids they’re gonna know what weed is…Are you f’ing kidding me?? Like if they don’t know already. Kids nowadays get weed easier than booze, why because it is uncontrolled and in the hands of drug dealers that really don’t give a F about your kids. We need to educate our young, make this legal and tax the HELL out of it.

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
4:21 pm

@BNelson0403

April 20th, 2012
4:22 pm

@Dusty,

I was raised non-denominational Christian. As an adult I have as you might say “lost my way”. I also keep in mind that my religious choice is in fact a choice. I will not let that choice effect the way I treat others nor should it in any way give me the power to decide how others shall live their life. There is a difference between spreading the word of God and forcing the word of God.

Gustavo

April 20th, 2012
4:28 pm

Something else for you think about; the bread and butter of your regular drug dealer is Marijuana. That’s their daily income, that’s their hook to make the big bucks with the harder drugs. So if we eliminate Marijuana from the street dealer he will no longer be able to compete with other prices (legal store prices) and therefore a great majority of them will stop just because it’s not going to make fiscal sense to just deal crack or cocaine. Also the kids that were exposed to those harder drugs before now they will not be because if anything they will try to get it from the super market or the store which will obviously not have cocaine or any other hard drug so we eliminate the situation for a stepping stone if you will to harder drugs. It’s really simple and logical I really don’t understand why people still choose not to see this.

MarkV

April 20th, 2012
4:28 pm

Dusty @3:32 pm

Dusty,

You still support criminalization of marijuana possession. I think it is unwise, and what’s more, I wonder where are all your noble ideas about individual freedom?

I believe we should criminalize behavior harmful to others, and only regulate things like possession. Just like with alcohol, regulate who can buy marijuana, and punish when the behavior endangers others. Certainly punish drivers, who drive under influence in a way that is dangerous. But give me reason to punish someone who smokes a joint in his home while watching TV.

Just to be clear, I agree with you when you question the need to use any such drugs, but I do not think it is up to me to make that judgment for others.

Logical Dude

April 20th, 2012
4:30 pm

Dusty: Well, there you go, weaklings. Americans high or situations make Americans high?

Do you also think that alcohol should be illegal?

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
4:33 pm

GT. 4:17

You are so dramatic. Nobody here has said,”lock ‘em up. kill ‘em and go to war”. Another figment of your wild imagination.

As to the movie “Deliverance”, it was nothing but a trumped up melodrama of misinformation distilled in Hollywood and presented in all its ignominy as representative of the South.. It was trash. I’m not surprised you mentioned it.

azazel

April 20th, 2012
4:39 pm

you can grow more than pine trees in SGA. grow it sell it tax it

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
4:39 pm

Dusty: I have read your arguments, none of them make any sense nor are they based on true facts. Basically you state over and over again that marijuana is harmful without any evidence to back that assertion up, while person after person says what you are saying simply isn’t true based both on scientific studies and personal experience.

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
4:41 pm

Mash: Your posts are certainly evident that you are dumb.

How much evidence do you guys need to believe what most high schoolers have figured out. Pot is far less damaging than alcohol, and when you try to say otherwise, all you do is show you are either ignorant or lying.

Gustavo

April 20th, 2012
4:42 pm

That’s what a bigot does Jimmy. Blindly points fingers and irresponsibly spreads unfounded arguments.

Logical Dude

April 20th, 2012
4:42 pm

Dusty, sorry, missed your recent responses :)

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
4:49 pm

Carlosgv: The only thing that list tells me is that overuse can be bad. You can say that about pretty much anything. In fact, if you drank a lot of water you would die, but no one has found any evidence of death from smoking too much weed. If you eat too much pizza you could die from a number of resultant problems, but that doesn’t mean we should make water or pizza illegal.

And most importantly, nothing on that list shows that my smoking pot in any way affects you. Unless I drive, which I’m sure would be just as illegal as driving while drunk.

carlosgvv

April 20th, 2012
4:57 pm

Jimmy62

You are one of the responsible ones who will not drink or get stoned and then drive. Unfortunately, there are too many who are not so responsible who, if pot was legalized, wouldn’t hestitate to get hight and drive. At that point, they could adversely affect both you and I. Do you see my concern?

Dusty

April 20th, 2012
5:02 pm

MarkV & Logical Dude,

I have already answered your questions @ 3:55 in answer to Kevin’s question. Please read and then ask.
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BNelson0403

I am sorry that you say you have “lost your way”. Is 0403 significant?

Religion has not been discussed in the particular blog, The discussion is on the legalization of marijuana. I believe marijuana is a very unhealthy substance which is detrimental to the lives of many. I think it also leads to substances even more harmful. I don’t promote harmful substances.

Religions have not been discussed here although most religions point to a better life. I am a Christian and I hope our faith is never used to force the word of God down someone’s throat. Christ offered us love and salvation and I say offered. It is the choice of each listener to make their own decision. But what a great offering!

Anyway, good luck with your future. Bye….
———————
…….

Rick

April 20th, 2012
5:09 pm

“Unfortunately, there are too many who are not so responsible who, if pot was legalized, wouldn’t hestitate to get hight and drive”

How is that any different now with it being illegal?

zimeyzoo

April 20th, 2012
5:15 pm

Car wrecks, no, they’ve done many studies and smoking pot is far better than driving to a bar drinking nd then driving home from the bar after drinking. Just like those COPS videos where you see stoned people completely pass field sobriety tests but going to jail for having weed and getting a DUI. This argument is propaganda. On that same not….alcohol: still legal!!!!!

zimeyzoo

April 20th, 2012
5:17 pm

Alcohol kills many people due to liver failure and car crashes. Alcohol is still legal. When you’re stone you may eat a lot and be mellow. When you’re drunk you will have lowered inhibitions and get behind the wheel because you think your fine.

@BNelson0403

April 20th, 2012
5:19 pm

@ Rusty,

You are confusing promoting and legalizing. Cigarettes are legal but are far from promoted, in fact it is illegal to advertise them on Billboards or sporting events. The harmfullness of a drug to my person has no effect on my personal liberty to use it. You have no right to take away any of my personal freedoms, none whatsoever. You might as well stop using the “bad for you” reason, that bucket holds no water.

zimeyzoo

April 20th, 2012
5:20 pm

Marijuana does NOT cause cancer! It hasn’t killed anyone! EVER!

zimeyzoo

April 20th, 2012
5:27 pm

didn’t God give us all he seed barring plants to use? You can do so much with hemp. Educate your self and know the government and logging companies have been spreading lies and propaganda to the masses and most still believe what they spew. The government are a bunch of liars. Don’t believe everything you hear!

FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real)

April 20th, 2012
5:39 pm

Marijuana should be legal. And for those who die by thier OWN hand due to overindulgence, stupidity, ignorance, etc? I call it the thinning of the herd.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 20th, 2012
5:43 pm

Real Athens

April 20th, 2012
5:52 pm

Tibby:

How is allaying something that someone told you in a conversation opinion? Do I need to reference who, when, where and what was said in order for you to believe it?

As far as sports biographies/autobiographies online help yourself:

Micky Mantle, Jack Tatum, Lyle Alzado, Jose Conseco, Pete Maravich, Jim Bouten, Keith Hernandez — all have chronicled the rampant drug abuse in their professions.

Majority

April 20th, 2012
5:52 pm

Well being eighteen i have to say that it is going to eventually be legalized, the government cant just keep sending people to prison when they know it’s unjustified, this generation is growing up and sees the absurdity of the whole thing, the harmlessness of marijuana.

Obviously young people have traditionally carried more leftist thinking, that rebellious, innovative nature we possess. But i’ve heard of no one ever dying from weed, we’ve had plenty of deaths in these four years at the highschool, many from drunk driving, not marijuana. Honestly people drive fine high, a bit too paranoid of cops, but very carefully all the same. Anyways i have never heard of a death from marijuana.

Recently however one young person has suffered from the drug, not the effects but the dealer who shot and killed him and his friend, over maybe 4 grams. It wasn’t the drug that did this, but the legal standing that our government enforces upon us, forcing a blackmarket trade that is high in stake, both the physical danger and the awaiting prison sentence.

Anyways, this country of ours, truly the greatest nation ever to grace this earth is home to 1/4 of the worlds prisoners

MarkV

April 20th, 2012
5:56 pm

Dusty @5:02 pm

Dusty,
You may think you have answered the questions, but I think few people would agree that you have presented a cogent argument. I think the most telling is your following statement: “As much as I like freedom of choice in major decisions for Americans, I find it hard to approve of any substance that poisons the life of Americans.” I can’t think of a more ambiguous and potentially freedom-restricting concept. If the issue you are addressing is merely your approval, then there should be no quarrel with it. But what is being discussed here is not “approval,” it is criminalization. If you are in favor of criminalizing every substance that is by some measure unhealthy, then you are in favor of a complete suppression of individual freedom.

Jake

April 20th, 2012
6:13 pm

My vote is “yes” marijuana should be legalized

Michael H. Smith

April 20th, 2012
6:14 pm

Same old song from me Kyle. Personally if someone wants to burn their brains out with whatever intoxicant that drives them into euphoria or a big dirt nap… well, go right ahead and kill yourself it that is your desire, as long as you don’t kill or physically harm anyone or any things belonging to another, fine by me.

My other objections remain against Government taxing to “regulate drugs” or anything else for that matter. For those who don’t know, which many don’t, the federal tax on alcohol was the first case of “rightwing social engineering” in this country thank be to Alexander Hamilton. As Doctor Phil says… how’s that working for you? It certainly didn’t discourage consumption of alcohol like Hamilton had hoped. In fact, that first case of “rightwing social engineering”, wherein the GUB’MENT used a tax to regulate something in the name of raising revenue to pay for government functions and operations was also the beginning of the “war on drugs”. Needless to say most of us know just how well it hasn’t worked. Oh government has made money off this scheme, all the while very seldom paying a penny one for the millions of addicts it profited from or may have, in some cases did aid and abed in becoming addicted.

Didn’t take the time to read through all these comments but I’m sure someone felt real good about proudly saying how taxing marijuana if it were legalized would regulate it and give government a revenue stream but didn’t say word one about a HUGE portion of that money being used to treat the addictions and diseases that will occur?

Yeah, thought so.

It doesn’t take long for politicians to lose all their appetite for legalizing marijuana once you tell them that 1) they can’t tax it 2) if they can tax it, at least 50% of the taxes collected shall pay for the treatment of any and all diseases and addiction that occur once government regulates by taxation of marijuana.

HR

April 20th, 2012
6:24 pm

Because it’s illegal, mostly the irresponsible people smoke pot. THIS MEANS MORE KIDS SMOKE POT THAN ADULTS BECAUSE IT’S ILLEGAL!!!!! Millions of teenagers smoke pot, however, few adults smoke it due to the war on marijuana. Legalizing it would get the marijuana trade out of kids hands and instead give it to adults. I’m not saying legalizing it would mean no kids would ever do it. I’m saying legalizing it would give way to more adults using this medicine, and less kids. The marijuana war puts marijuana in the hands of those less responsible —KIDS!!! LEGALIZE IT!!!!

Not Blind

April 20th, 2012
6:27 pm

Here is a thought for you peeps. Most of our drugs comes from south of the border. Does anyone here not think that the governments of those countries don’t benefit greatly from all that cash flowing into their country ? In other words, if you put the latino drug cartels out of business those countries would probably be bankrupt in a week.

It’s like the USA and tobacco and alcohol. The US goobermint gets a ton of money from those industries. Since I don’t drink or smoke [ AND also have seen first hand the devastation of lung cancer and the devastation caused by drunk drivers ] I would be more than happy for tobacco and alcoholic beverages to be outlawed. The problem is that my taxes would go up dramatically. Also, think of how many people die young from tobacco use and from drunks driving. Those people pay into SS but never get the bene’s. This keeps SS from going broke even sooner.

Michael H. Smith

April 20th, 2012
6:35 pm

It’s like the USA and tobacco and alcohol. The US goobermint gets a ton of money from those industries. Since I don’t drink or smoke [ AND also have seen first hand the devastation of lung cancer and the devastation caused by drunk drivers ] I would be more than happy for tobacco and alcoholic beverages to be outlawed.

Pretty much agree with the exception of outlawing the (limited)right of the individual to consume anything they choose to take into their own body.

God or nature, depending upon ones prerogative to which, made all of us “Free Moral Agents”.

Alan

April 20th, 2012
6:38 pm

The real question should be – ‘Should Marijuana remain illegal’? The answer would have to be ‘no’.. Those who can justify the illegal status should post scientific poof defending their stand justifying sending people to jail for this rather innocuous plant rather than them simply parroting old drug war propaganda.

73 +/- years of illegality versus thousands of years of human use without a single overdose – (it’s impossible to overdose on marijuana). That pretty much speaks for itself.

I’m sure that our forefathers (Adams, Franklin, Washington to name a few loser deadbeats who consumed recreational marijuana and ended up as founders of the most influential world power in history) would be criminals today. They would not tolerate this affront on our rights as individuals and the absolutely disgraceful erosion of our personal liberties in the name of a “drug war” (aka – profiteers in the pharma industry, ‘enforcement’ and prisons all benefit from the status quo).

Those questioning the medicinal value of Marijuana should check out the video –
Clearing the Smoke: The Science of Cannabis | Watch MontanaPBS Presents Online | MontanaPBS Video
http://watch.montanapbs.org/video/1825223761

Those who think PBS is a ‘liberal rag’ should still check it out – both sides are presented -

Michael H. Smith

April 20th, 2012
6:50 pm

medicinal value of Marijuana?

Page two…

When is used in the form of eatables I would agree legitimate medicinal value probably exist but don’t even try to convenience me or anyone else that knows first hand what smoking tobacco will do to the human body that smoking marijuana will not cause lung damage or disease. It’s not an argument of will smoking marijuana cause lung damage or disease, it is only a argument of how long and how much shall it take before it occurs to an individual who smokes marijuana.

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
6:51 pm

Actually carlosgv, I admit to smoking pot and then driving. And I don’t see it as nearly as much of a problem as when I’ve had a lot of coffee and got behind the wheel. Or that time I tried ritalin in high school because the freakin’ school counselor wanted me to try it and my doctor gave me a prescription. Of course that’s without even mentioning the unknown long term effects of a drug like ritalin that we force-feed to kids.

Tell you what, I’ll get high as a kite and challenge you to any sort of test or competition you want. I’ll beat you in a driving test, I’ll beat you on the SAT, I’ll beat you in test after test after test. Anything you name except a running race, because I always sucked at that anyway.

Michael H. Smith

April 20th, 2012
6:56 pm

Our founding fathers not only consumed marijuana they grow it for the purposes of commerce. Many who grew hemp during that time only gave up the hemp crop in favor of a more profitably addictive substance, tobacco.

Michael H. Smith

April 20th, 2012
7:01 pm

grow “grew”. oopsy guess all of the edit didn’t make it into the final substitution.

Jimmy62

April 20th, 2012
7:10 pm

Michael H. Smith: Looks like it doesn’t even take pot to make some people impaired.

Michael H. Smith

April 20th, 2012
7:13 pm

Travelin’ music from a couple of subversives – UNPLUGGED!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQrNWZ4Y5tU

Out here gang.

Michael H. Smith

April 20th, 2012
7:14 pm

Jimmy62 @

Glad you to you got your jollies.

Michael H. Smith

April 20th, 2012
7:16 pm

Yep it tie to go…

Repost

Jimmy62 @

Glad to “see” you got your jollies.

sean

April 20th, 2012
8:13 pm

yes legalize it and put a end to the problems and cartrel

[...] Poll Position: Should marijuana be legalized? Today is considered “Weed Day” by marijuana smokers because the date, 4/20, corresponds with the numbers they use to refer to the drug. The actual origins of the term “420″ are not as widely known, but you can count on thousands of college students … Read more on Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

RJ

April 20th, 2012
10:13 pm

The coolest hippie in the world right now is mohammad goldstein. He is a leftover hippie from the 60’s who has created the largest protest against Washington in fifty years. he is on the net with the plot to overthrow washington for nuttin. every politician in DC knows him and they are trying to keep him from full exposure. he is like Martin Luther King and a breath of truth to the nation. So much truth in his speech. Peace Out

[...] Poll Position: Should marijuana be legalized? Written by Paul Dzirvinskis on September 2nd, 2007 Today is considered “Weed Day” by marijuana smokers because the date, 4/20, corresponds with the numbers they use to refer to the drug. The actual origins of the term “420″ are not as widely known, but you can count on thousands of college students gathering – in some cases, together, and in very public locations – to celebrate doing something that’s illegal.   For now, anyway.   Should marijuana be legalized?   There is a growing shift in public opinion about whether marijuana should be legalized, even in the South, with as unlikely a proponent as Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson arguing that particular drug shouldn’t be treated any differently than alcohol. Gary Johnson, a former governor of New Mexico and erstwhile GOP presidential candidate now seeking the Libertarian Party’s 2012 nomination, has called for legalizing and regulating marijuana, citing the ineffectiveness and costliness of enforcing the ban.   People in favor of keeping the current law argue that marijuana can be a “gateway drug” that leads users to experiment with harder, more harmful substances. Georgia’s legislators haven’t gone as far as legalizing pot, but this year they did pass an overhaul of the state’s criminal code that calls for people in possession of small amounts of the drug to face alternatives to jail time.   (Source) http://blogs.ajc.com [...]

Trev

April 20th, 2012
10:33 pm

I don’t understand what’s so bad about legalizing it. I’m a police officer and I’ve gotten to the point where if you just have a small amount I will make you empty out and step on it. It is retarded. Our government just runs all over us. It’s time we take an actual stand instead of falling for the next form of internet activism. Stop trying to make marijuana pharmaceutical and just legalize it completely. Let’s help America make the money it desperately needs!

Malcolm Kyle

April 21st, 2012
5:47 am

On 29-Nov-2011, a study was published by University of Colorado Denver Professor Daniel Rees and Montana State University Assistant Professor D. Mark Anderson showing states that have legalized medical marijuana experience fewer fatal car crashes compared to states that have not. The researchers suggest that there may be fewer fatal drunk driving accidents in those jurisdictions because more people may be choosing to smoke marijuana instead of making the more dangerous choice of consuming alcohol – both traffic fatalities and alcohol consumption declined.

The rate of fatal crashes in which a driver had consumed any alcohol dropped 12% after medical marijuana was legalized, and crashes involving high levels of alcohol consumption fell 14%. The study thoroughly accounted for other contributing factors regarding this decrease, such as changes in the number of miles traveled each year and new traffic laws.

“Our research suggests that the legalization of medical marijuana reduces traffic fatalities through reducing alcohol consumption by young adults,” – Daniel Rees, professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver who co-authored the study with D. Mark Anderson, assistant professor of economics at Montana State University.

So, the prohibitionist scare-tactic of claiming there would be an increase in traffic fatalities if marijuana were to be legally regulated for all adults should now be banished to the fantasy realm from whence it came.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-11/uocd-ssm112911.php

* Hall & Hommel (2007) considered whether there was “sufficient evidence to discourage cannabis users from driving by conducting roadside drug testing. They concluded that there was “no scientifically persuasive evidence that” random drug testing has saved lives.

Similarly, Weatherburn et al. (2003) argued “there are no solid grounds for asserting that cannabis intoxication is a major cause of road trauma”. Consideration needs to be given to evidence that THC serum concentration does not always denote impairment (Bedard et al. 2007). — Laumon et al.’s (2005) conclusion corroborates these findings and reports that the role of cannabis in “fatal crashes is significantly lower than that associated with [any] positive blood alcohol concentration.”

Whilst Grotenhermen et al. (2007) do suggest that a concentration of 7-10 ng/ml is comparable to a blood alcohol content of 0.05%, Bedard et al. report that the “frequency of drinking and driving and the severe impact of alcohol on driving abilities are well beyond what has been shown with cannabis”.

References:

Hall, W. & Hommel, R. (2007). Reducing cannabis-impaired driving: is there sufficient evidence for drug testing of drivers? Addiction, 102(12), 1918-9.

Weatherburn, D., Jones, C. & Donelly, N. (2003). Prohibition and Cannabis Use in Australia: A Survey of 18- to 29-year-olds. Australian and New Zealand Journal of Criminology, 36(1), 77-93.

Bedard et al. 2007. The impact of cannabis on driving. Canadian Journal of Public Health, 98: 6-11.

Laumon, B., Gadegbeku, B., Martin, J.L. & Biecheler, M.B. (2005). Cannabis intoxication and fatal road crashes in France: population based case-control study, British Medical Journal, 331, 1371-1374.

Grotenhermen, F., Leson, G., Berghaus, G., Drummer, O.H., Krüger, H.-P., Longo, M., Moskowitz, H., Perrine, B., Ramaekers, J. G., Smiley, A. & Tunbridge, R. (2007). Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Addiction, 102, 1910–1917.

Anderson, B.M., Rizzo, M., Block, R.I., Pearlson G.D. & O’Leary D.S. (2010). Sex Differences in the Effects of Marijuana on Simulated Driving Performance. Journal of psychoactive drugs, 42(1),19-30.

Joel Edge

April 21st, 2012
6:11 am

Yes. We need to save the money and we can tax the s#@t out of it. Anticipation of future funny pictures of dope smoking hippie lefties with a “don’t tread on me” anti-tax signs.

Jillian Galloway

April 21st, 2012
6:49 am

850,000 people are arrested every year in the U.S. for possessing cannabis and yet cannabis smokers appear to have no problem obtaining all the cannabis they want. Our taxes – OUR hard-earned money – are spent enforcing the prohibition without it ever having any hope of achieving its single goal of preventing cannabis use! Are we all so rich that this isn’t a big deal?

And while cannabis itself is safer than coffee and FAR safer than beer and wine, the prohibition of cannabis diverts more than $10 Billion a year to organized crime – causing the brutal death of more than 50,000 people in the past five years. So YES – the production and sale of cannabis to adults SHOULD be legalized, taxed and regulated just like tobacco and alcohol.

Humans have used cannabis for more than 5,000 years without it causing a single verifiable death. Cannabis doesn’t cause cancer, heart disease, brain damage, liver disease, emphysema, or any other significant health issue, and its addiction potential is about on par with coffee. But cannabis’ safety and remarkable medicinal properties shouldn’t be the reason to legalize it, the reason cannabis should be legalized is the same reason that alcohol was legalized – because far more harm is caused keeping it illegal than making it legal.

Mike Parent

April 21st, 2012
9:07 am

“THE CHILDREN”
If they really cared for the children they’d legalize and regulate marijuana. If they really wanted to keep any substance out of the hands of “The Children” they first must take control of distribution away from black market dealers. They haven’t accomplished that in 40+ years at a taxpayers cost in the hundreds of billions. It’s time to treat marijuana as we do alcohol. My 27 year old daughter still gets carded when she buys alcohol, yet your 13 year old can buy anything the black market dealer has for a price whether it be money or “something else”.
Prohibitionists, your path to hell may be paved with good intentions, but hell is the final destination, none the less.
LEAP member, NYPD, ret.

Mike Parent

April 21st, 2012
10:05 am

FACT: Your kids have a better chance dying at the hands of someone enforcing marijuana laws than they do from ingesting it, as there hasn’t been a documented marijuana Overdose, EVER.
LEAP member, NYPD, ret.

Brian

April 21st, 2012
10:08 am

@Dusty and his government propaganda filled brain,
It was PROVEN that when people are drunk on alcohol, that they feel like they’re driving 30mph, but are really going 60mph. When you’re high on Marijuana it feels like you’re driving 60 and are really going 30. Therefore, if you are intoxicated on Marijuana you are more of a cautious, defensive driver. It is SAFER to drive high than when you’re even SOBER. You really need to research YOURSELF and look at the facts on how harmless this plant really is.

Zandrika

April 21st, 2012
10:37 am

“Georgia’s legislators haven’t gone as far as legalizing pot,…”

That’ll be the day. It took them until 2011 just to give in on the issue of Sunday grocery store beer sales. Don’t count on legalized marijuana any time soon.

gibfor legalization

April 21st, 2012
10:39 am

this is my oppinion… people driving while on cell phones kills more people than cannabis, alcohol kills more people than cannabis, tobbacco kills more people than cannabis, pain pills kill more than cannabis, it is proven that alcohol is more of a gateway drug than cannabis, several strains of cannabis is proven to stop or cure several forms of cancer including breast cancer(save the boobies) the ld 50 (lethal dose to kill 50 percent of the population) of cannabis is 500,000 meaning it would take 20,000 joints to kill one person and they would have to smoke it in less than one hour. cannabis is known to lower blood pressure, increase brain activity, cure cancer, help with nausea in cancer patients, halps arthritis patients like me actually be able to function by acting as a pain killer. so the question is why should conservatives and the government not want to make it legal???? becasue there is too much money being made off of arresting people for using a plant.. and here is one more fact, there is a HUGE difference in smoking a little to medicate yourself and smoking all day long and being stoned!!!!!

Mike Parent

April 21st, 2012
11:12 am

It’s ironic that in the Bible Belt, there is such support for a law whose foundation is lies, greed and racism. One would think that those are the kind of things that they should rail against, not support.

Jimmy62

April 21st, 2012
12:49 pm

gibfor: Part of the problem is that it’s not conservatives who are against legalizing it. There are as many or more liberals who are against, even in this comment thread. Carlosgv, for instance, who is always on the liberal side of every issue.

Especially today conservatives are far closer to libertarians than liberals are, and the libertarians definitely want legalization. So rail against conservatives all you want, but if you want justice on this issue, go after the hypocrite liberals who preach freedom while enacting laws that force everyone to live how liberals think we should live. They are the true authoritarians.

aj

April 21st, 2012
1:17 pm

pot should be legal for medical resons only. thes days peaple are gave pills when peaple die all the time fromw over dose. pot has never killed any body but yet the gov sales beer tobacco when 7000000000 peaple die a year from smoking. you can sit at home and smoke a pound of pot and not die there are safer ways to smoke they can be put in a pill form or a vaporizer. it helps with add and adhd. peaple that have nerve problems chills thelm out to. it helps with cancer as well

Mike Parent

April 21st, 2012
7:01 pm

@ AJ Marijuana should never have been made illegal! History clearly show the reasons for it becoming illegal and none of them are valid. It should be treated exactly as we do alcohol. 50% of the population favor an across the board legalization so why criminalize something that is safe than the recreational substances we currently allow?

GA Cannabis

April 21st, 2012
10:47 pm

[“Unfortunately, many more lives would be lost in car wrecks caused by high as a kite drivers.”

Citation needed.]

How about this citation that explains why medical marijuana laws reduces traffic fatalities.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/why-medical-marijuana-laws-reduce-traffic-deaths/

jeff

April 22nd, 2012
11:22 pm

Why does everyone go straight to being afraid of smokers driving? Think of how many people abuse prescription medication and then drive… Alcohol is much worse on coordination and ability to think clearly. Marijuana can aid many millions of people with a plethora of diseases yet alcohol is legal and only causes destruction of most organs including the brain. -Molecular cell biologist and geneticist

David Garton

April 23rd, 2012
12:26 am

95% say “yes”? This issue is exactly the same as legalizing Sunday alcohol sales – our legislators will keep it illegal as long as they can and when they do finally make it legal nothing will happen.

Voice of Reason

April 23rd, 2012
8:39 am

Legalize them all. Who cares about the addicts, it’s called natural selection. The kids that will “suffer” from bad parenting are already doing it. I wish I could find the article I read, but it’s pretty much common sense: Ask a middle to high schooler which is easier to get, pot or alcohol. Pot is much easier to get because dealers don’t check IDs, while gas stations do.

Ca$h Money

April 23rd, 2012
10:06 am

I am all for legalizing, then use prison labor to farm and sell at gov’t run dispensaries. Tax at 100%. Anyone caught with bootleg weed loses the right to purchase legally forever, no exceptions.
Use the revenue to lower the tax burden for healthcare.

kimmer

April 24th, 2012
11:33 am

You know I am really torn on the entire subject of individual liberty. I want to live in a free society where everyone has the right to do as they please as long as they are not harming others. In that vein why shouldn’t pot be legal, as well as other substances, as well as pornography & prostitution for that matter. But on the other hand I believe that while such behavior might not be immediately harmful to other individuals it is ultimately very harmful to society as a whole on numerous levels.

do it

April 25th, 2012
10:45 pm

zeke. you said ” It has been proven to be a gateway drug. Not everyone, but, probably a majority of those who use become unhappy with the high and want a bigger one. Then comes heroine, cocaine, crack! NO, DO NOT LEGALIZE IT!!”

That is entirely false. the gateway theory has never had any proof and has been completely disproved. look at Amsterdam. since the legalization of marijuana, the usage amount of every other drug has plummeted. if the gateway theory were true the other drug usage percentages would have gone way up. people who elevate to harder drugs are people who would have been willing to do them to begin with.

Some good advice… on a argumentative discussion page never use the word probably. you will get ridiculed and embarrassed.

Mr.Call-It-Like-I-See-It

April 25th, 2012
11:28 pm

I smoked all kinds of marijuana in my life from hash to exotic marijuana (Kush/Purple Haze/Dro) and I also drank my share of alcoholic beverages from beer to moonshine. There is NO comparison, in the profit that can be made and the intoxication level. If I drink a fifth of white liquor I would probably getting my stomach pumped but if I smoke an ounce of marijuana I would just have the munchies and sleep like a rock when I came down. Alcohol been killing people; show me the stats that marijuana is killing people at the same rate and you might have an argument! Petty marijuana charges blocking up the justice system and got jails in Georgia overcrowded, no space for real criminals. It’s up to the consumer to be responsible so its well over due that marijuana is LEGALIZED!