A left-wing ‘temper tantrum’ to short-circuit elections and their consequences

Great article Kyle. I love the time you took to show the evidence and call the libs out on what they are doing. One of you best articles I have read.

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Personally I am opposed to recall efforts. However, it rather dubious to condemn a constitutional process because we do not like at whom it is directed. Boycott threats are a more dangerous tool, which might be justified only in most extreme situations.

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5 day work weeks; minimum wage; work place safety standards; establishment of social security for retirees; equal rights for minorities and women in the workplace; standardized the 8 hour work day; overtime pay; child labor laws; unemployment insurance; pensions; no labor stoppages during WWll; funding for the rehabilitation of disabled workers; creation of the middle class; basic rights for all workers – union and non.

Unions suck.

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Be back later after a few much needed zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs’

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Puck, I think the public safety unions were excepted because of the necessity of their jobs and to insure public safety. A strike, blue flu, or disruption of work of a cop or fireman has more adverse effect on the citizens, than DMV employees holding their breath and turning blue. Their gender and political affiliation had nothing to do with it.

When the left attacks these public companies and corporations they always seem to back down. It is as if they know that the conservatives and right thinkers will just say, “I am disappointed” and go on with their life. The left is relentless with the intimidation and boycotts, probably because they have little hope of using reason, usually because public opinion is against their point of view.

I just wish the right side could push back and offset the pressure on these firms. I am sorry that Coca Cola and others were so quick to cave, over the protests of voter ID. Most of the public is in favor of Voter ID, so why the cave, other than to quiet the Loonies on the Left. Coca Cola and others should be ashamed that they have no backbone. Peace at any price for Coca Cola.

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Road Scholar

April 20th, 2012
7:19 pm

” Oh that’s right……there’s no limit on “gifts” to our elected state officials”

There are limits set on the gifts politicians can receive and it is set by the people that put them in office. If they are ok with the gifts then it is on them if they are not then they should vote the politician out of office. The voters have to take some responsibility or they get the representation they deserve.

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Actually Gov. Walker never claimed he would strip collective bargaining from the unions. He said the opposite. He’s also under criminal investigation from his actions in his prior public office.

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As I’ve said before, I’m a firm believer in unions but I believe getting involved in politics was the biggest mistake they ever made. They aligned with one party and allowed that party to take them for granted and it allowed the other party to paint them as an enemy and demonize them. They’d have been far better off concentrating on looking out for their rank and file.

Josef

Thanks for the kind words. Heard Levon say once that he felt this performance was the best performance the Band ever gave of this song. The song is his masterpiece, a tour de force of emotion in a vocal. Either people get it or they don’t. So this one is for those who get it…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOi0tC00Luc

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td

You make a good point, as a former civil service employee I can say, that civil service employees have job security and salary, that in this economy, are much better than what you can expect in the private sector. Unions are not needed for civil service employees, protections already exist.

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Hillbilly

Thanks for the post here. I said over at Jay’s when it comes to this song, if you understand this song, you understand the South. If you understand the South, you understand this song. As you put it, you either get it or you don’t…

Before I forget, check out Sarna’s “When General Grant Expelled the Jews.” I went into it with a jaundiced eye, for sure, but overall it’s not bad…he just should have called it “General Grant and the Jews.” General Order Number 11 is only a small part of it and it, as you would expect, is colored by Yankee Sharia…

Take care and trust and pray life is treating you and yours well…

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Josef

If you remember I told you a good while back about a documentary I saw about South America, I finally remembered the title, it was “Eyes Wide Open”. Don’t know if it’ll ever be on TV again or not. Those people down there have a lot in common with the Oldest Colony, only worse.

http://www.ecofilms.gr/popup2005en.asp?Year=2010&reqid=L-04

Also recently read Bernal Diaz, “The Conquest of New Spain”. It was written from the Spanish point of view, of course, but it was interesting to read an account from somebody who was actually there. Sort of reinforces my thinking that there’ll always be folks out to exploit other folks, and they’ll find whatever reason is handy. I actually thought Montezuma and Cortez were an awful lot alike, when you got right down to it. Neither one of them was too admirable in my view.

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Hillbilly

I saw part of that “Eyes Wide Open.” And true, that similarity. I may have told you this one, but, with the indulgence of Kyle’s readers, I’ll repeat it.

I was in Panama back during the Reagan years and was out with some buds for a night on the town. They’re both judios and look like they stepped right out of Brooklyn, but are Central Americans. Anyway, there was some nasty anti-American protests taking place a few blocks away. A rather nasty tempered woman at a table nearby took off on the “norteamericanos,” and one of my friends wanted to say something, but we held him back. Then she started off on the “gringos,” and H. had to be held in check again. Still not getting her response, she went on to the “imperialistas.” Again a check. When she started off on the “yanquis,” H. went to her table and, in his perfectly accented Costa Rican Spanish informed her, “Madame, a norteamericano, he is. A gringo, he is. Probably a bit of an imperialista as well. But unless you want to restart the American Civil War, I suggest you not call him a yanqui!” He got a round of applause from the good neighbor policy patrons, and a fine evening of cross-cultural discourse on the subject of Yankee imperialism was had…

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Hillbilly@7:49.

Sure ’nuff. Funny thing though, with the exception of Levon, The Band were Canadians. So much for stereotypes.

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Josef:

http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552

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Price Controls Keep Venezuela Cupboards Bare

Asked where a shopper could get milk on a day when that, too, was out of stock, a manager said with sarcasm, “At Chávez’s house.”

At the heart of the debate is President Hugo Chávez’s socialist-inspired government, which imposes strict price controls that are intended to make a range of foods and other goods more affordable for the poor. They are often the very products that are the hardest to find.

Socialism…ain’t it grand?

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But it is disturbing to see some groups try to lessen the effect of their electoral losses by making threats and seeking to remove officers carrying out an electoral mandate. They tread on dangerous ground.

You’re absolutely right on that call Kyle. All it would take is one effective counter boycott to send this socialist liberal crowd packing. When companies realize there is as much opposition to them caving into the demands of these sake down artist and extortionist as these extortionist clowns pose to their bottom line and public image, then these companies may well grow a corporate spine, “stand their ground” and tell these extortionist clowns to hit the road with their boycott.

Furthermore, Unions, particularly government employee Unions that clearly pose a conflict of interest have lost their Propaganda – Public Relations war with the average citizen. These latest tactics will only gain them more public disdain and rejection.

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Every major bill proposed by the Republicans in the legislature has been virtually a carbon copy of ALEC drafted model legislation. Most of these legislators don’t even read the bills, much less have the brain power to draft them. And the legislative drafting staff is so woefully undermanned that they can’t do it either. Kyle, you know the Ga. legislature, so at the least you must be smoking some of that stuff you want to legalize.

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I’m a member of two minorities. First I have no previous experience working in a fast food restaurant. Second, I was once a union member. It was a long time ago , but I worked my way through college as a member of union. My job was hard , dirty and a little dangerous, but it paid me well enough to feed my family, buy a small house, compact car, and even allowed me to pay my school tuition as I went. From my personal experience, America worked better before conservatives decided it needed saving.

I’d like everybody to do a little homework. Nothing too tough. Just watch a couple of movies. First I’d suggest Norma Rae. Sally Field earned an academy award for her portrayal of a feisty single mother working in a southern cotton mill. She deserved it. Second, watch Fast Food Nation. Take a good hard look at the world that gave us pink slime for meat and ketchup for vegetables. Remember you are what you eat.

Wall street bankers, and the run away military industrial complex, Eisenhower tried to warn us about, drove us off a cliff. The Tea Party got mad and decided to take it out on women, immigrants , and labor unions. It’s like Moe slaps Larry so Larry gets Mad and Slaps Curly. This time around it doesn’t seem quite as funny for some reason.

I don’t remember Kyle complaining when the good people of California threw out a democratic governor and elected the Terminator. This time around the governor’s republican so it’s a temper tantrum. That’s Kyle, consistently inconsistent.

If your kitchen sink was leaking, and the plumber you hired to fix it, came in and shot your toilet, Would you have a temper tantrum?

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“I’m a member of two minorities.”

So in your mind, you must be a victim twice over.

I’d suggest you do one thing, marko. Read the Federalist Papers. It’s a long read with no pictures so it might take you a while. They speak to something foreign in this nation once liberals decided they wanted to change it. Liberty. Individual responsibility. Self reliance. Small government.

The nine words you never want to hear: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

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marko: If your kitchen sink was leaking, and the plumber you hired to fix it, came in and shot your toilet, Would you have a temper tantrum?
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Replace “kitchen sink” with “economy”, “plumber” with “Obozo”, and “shot your toilet” with “told you you needed to buy a government-designed health insurance plan” and you’d have something.

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Union members aint victims Bub. We kick ass and take names. I find it beats sitting around waiting for the trickle to arrive. The Federalist papers were the works of three men Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay. They were all great men, and I admire them. By the same token they were men. I don’t worship men.They didn’t quit manufacturing brains in 1776. It just seems that way when you’re talking to a shallow right winger. Do they make them any other way?
The revolution was organized military resistance. Unions are organized labor resistance. Tyrants have just cause to fear both.

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marko, why do you continue to worship an organization that has as much relevance as a buggy whip?

This ain’t the early 20th Century, bub.

And you’re right; union members ain’t victims.

They’re leeches.

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Kyle, your description of the founding and motives of the Tea Party is inaccurate. The Tea Party came to life because black people were living in the White House. Their deficit-whining is a front. There wasn’t a whimper from them when President Reagan started big-scale, peacetime deficit spending, or when President Bush I continued it, or when President Bush II perfected the art of giving the ultra-rich big tax breaks, then borrowing the money back at current interest rates and passing the debt on to the American people.

The aims of the Tea Party are simple and straight-forward, though never said aloud: to get black people out of the White House even if it takes sabotaging the American government and economy to do so.

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All the concern about voter ID would not make any sense if the democrats were not so terrified that they might lose the advantage of systemic fraud in thier big city power base.

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Joe the Prophet at 7:57

Don’t worry, Joe. Stay at home.

We don’t need morons casting votes. That’s how we got this current Disaster-in-Chief.

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Kyle, the key two words in this essay are “corporate sponsors”. Profit is the one and only thing they care about and now, sensing how fed up the people have become with the Tea Party, these rats are deserting the ALEC ship as quickly as possible. Voters now realize how badly they were taken in by slick Tea Party propaganda and can’t wait to vote these dangerous losers out of office. I can’t wait either.
Recalls are perfectly legal and have been around for many years. They are part of our democratic process. If this were a Democratic Gov. facing a recall, you would be singing a different tune, so do us a favor and lose the hypocrisy.

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carlosgvv: Voters…can’t wait to vote these dangerous losers out of office
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Nothing is more dangerous to Democrat politicians than reducing the size, scope, and spending power of government. That’s what the Tea Party is all about. Merely slowing the growth of government has liberals threatening violence against any politician that doesn’t knuckle under to their radical, selfish, anti-American agenda.

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Violence is shooting a unarmed kid walking home and hiding behind a ALEC generically made law.

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Stupid is commenting on a shooting when there have been no facts produced in evidence.

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I have no problem with recall elections. Didn’t work for the Dems when they tried to recall the state senators they didn’t like and likely won’t work at the governor level Even if they do succeed, the laws enacted are still in place and working effectively with a legislature unwilling to overturn them.

So have your hissy-fit, Wisconsin Democrats. Way to waste even more government money with special elections that won’t matter.

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Congratulations to the Tea Party members. May you get everything you deserve.

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Barry – 8:46

Is this the same pro-American Tea Party who wanted to let our country go into default and wreck the entire economy rather than raise the debt limit?

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Just a little payback for what the MSM and the Dens do on a daily basis, Ten Percent.

What’s your point?

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I noted quite an interesting history of the Tea Party in citation number 63. It seems to conflict with Lil’s recollection.

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Oblama looked around and said “Clowns to the left of me – Jokers to the Right “….. but unfortunately he’s far left of the middle. Labor Unions are run by thugs that live off of the sweat of it’s members. Unions in the public sector should be illegal.

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Will Kyle be in attendance.

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I can help but remember the state of the country under Bush during the fall of 2008. Good Times.

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Barry – 9:32

Incorrect. The Tea Party made it abundantly clear they would NOT vote to raise the debt limit unless totally unacceptable and irrational measures were enacted.

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The right to vote in federal/state elections is available only to US citizens. How could the Supreme court do anything but uphold that provision since it under control of federal/state laws.

If you can not prove you are a US citizen, you are not permitted to vote in a federal election. That means you have to PROVE you are a US citizen. We don’t vote in Russia, India, Mexico, Canada, why should their citizens be allowed to vote in our federal elections.

The burden of proof is on the individual, not the state/federal government.

Citizens of Wisconsin can do whatever they want, but unions do without a doubt provide their members with higher wages. In other words, they add to income inequality amongst the working class.

In the state of New York, 1 of every 4 workers is a union member. In the state of Georgia, only 1 of every 20 workers is a union member.

Taxes in NY are very high and many are leaving the state for that reason. Public and private union pensions are driving labor rates even higher and local taxpayers will not be able to pay for these pensions. Politicians have promised and promised things to unions, fully aware that they will not be around when the bills come due. Well, those pensions will be called in soon enough and local taxpayers in the NY/NJ area will not be able to pay. I used to live in NY and I have relatives still there that complain about the high taxes. They will be moving out as soon as they retire from their UNION (”I don’t have to know anything, they have to train me”) jobs and collect their pensions (Gas and Electric utilities and Electrical workers unions). Note: their wages are ultimately paid for by non-union workers.

Companies will have much lower labor costs in the Southeast largely due to lower union membership and they will relocate jobs to these kinds of locations.

Rates of union membership by state: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t05.htm

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“The Tea Party made it abundantly clear they would NOT vote to raise the debt limit unless totally unacceptable and irrational measures were enacted.”

Unacceptable and irrational to whom?

You? The Disaster-in-Chief who wouldn’t compromise one bit? Nancy Pelosi?

Please tell us how cutting spending which would STILL increase the deficit and trying to remove tax loopholes without raising overall tax rates could remotely be described as “unacceptable and irrational” given our economic situation, carlos.

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It would appear that the efforts of those supporting ALEC go much deeper than stand your ground or voter’s rights. Perhaps those two issues are intended as diversions from the whole story.

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Lil’ Barry, re your rant about “military-industrial complex”, the phrase was first made famous as a warning to the country by that loathsome Communist, Dwight Eisenhower, in his farewell address to the nation.

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Let’s go a little deeper on the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). Industries write, produce and direct legisaltion that is truly one-sided. Their lobbyists in the state houses, armed with campaign contributions (cash), troll the legislative hallways looking for receptive, open pocket legislators. Then under the banner of “model legislation endorsed by “ALEC”, industry gets exactly what it wants. Only in today’s Republican Party can such a procedure be referred to as ‘model’ legislation.

For Kyle to refer to a group opposed to this hijacking of government as falsely making “ALEC” public enemy number one is intellectually dishonest.

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Now, suddenly, these court-approved laws have made ALEC public enemy No. 1. Companies that donated to it are shrinking in the face of boycott threats.

Outstanding.

Coke, Pepsi, Kraft, McDonald’s, Wendy’s, Intuit, Reed-Elsevier and others have left that reprehensible organization.

And it will be great fun watching the fed up people in Wisconsin help the job killers Scott Walker, Rebecca Kleefisch and four Republican state senators find work in the private sector…

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Hey Kyle Wingnut, do you know what it means when someone says you’re the pot calling the kettle black?

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Good article.

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Kyle, you voted for Newt…you rationalized it…you encouraged others to vote for Newt…you have no credibility.

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I hope all of you faux conservatives here remember to thank the people who brought you the weekend – the labor unions.

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Typically, Mr. Wingfield, you neglected to mention a few salient facts, as they shed more light on WHY Walker is facing a recall.
He denies women equal pay for equal work.
He replaced duly-elected town officials with all-powerful, non-accountable Juntas to do his bidding.
He signed an anti-abortion law so vague and intrusive that now, thousands of women in his state will be unable to receive the health-care they need.
He signed an abstinence-only sex-ed bill, which is the best way to increase the number of pregnant teenagers, especially given Walker’s war against Planned Parenthood.
And, of course, he cut the pay of public workers and eliminated their right to collective bargaining.
AND, Mr. WIngfield, you also neglect to mention that several republican politicians have already promised to IMPEACH Obama should he be re-elected.
As usual, Mr. Wingfield, you neglect to mention pertinent facts in your trash-piece column, and if you don’t like the idea of recall elections, why, that’s just democracy in action whether you right-wing hypocrites like it or not.

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Unions?

More of a hindrance than a help THESE days.

There was a time when America needed labor unions to organize for worker’s rights, but federal and state laws prohibit workplace atrocities of the past. Moreover, the payoff for high-profile class action litigation is such that any large employee groups capable of getting the attention of union lawyers could just as easily get their own attorney to take the case.

….over the years, there were issues involving worker safety in manufacturing facilities, but those were effectively dealt with in the courts. That aside, high-tech employees are typically treated well and if they’re not, there are always state labor boards and lawyers to intervene on employee’s behalf.

So here we are in the 21st century and we still have all these unions for teachers, nurses, truckers, airline employees, construction workers, and yes, automotive workers. But are they really needed? Do they really help employees? Or do they just diminish America’s competitiveness in an increasingly global marketplace?

That was certainly the case in the automotive sector, regardless of the union’s spin. I’m not sure about the role of unions in the airline industry, but I do know that there are very few U.S.-based airlines that have never filed for bankruptcy protection, and that hasn’t been good for anyone, least of all airline employees.

If you don’t trust government and greedy lawyers, why vote Democrat?

schnirt

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Americans need labor unions like slaves need owners.

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What a laugh riot, oure neer-do-well Republischmucks fighting the plutocrat’s War on the Middle Class thinking that the fat cats are gonna trickle down on them!

And shower them with good jobs.

But where are they???

Oh yeah, Bangalore and Beijing.

And those companies were given money by Uncle Sam as a reward for sending them there.

Yeah, you neocons must be cheering your arses off!

BTW, how has that Reaganomics worked out for you bankster lackeys over the past forty years?

You love your flat-lined wages?

Enjoy your weekends, and thank a union man for it!

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how has that Reaganomics worked out for you bankster lackeys over the past forty years?
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I think we can all agree that I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, and only having been of working age for the most recent thirty years of your forty my biggest problem is figuring out whether to keep working at my present, highly compensated job or strike out on my own since I don’t really need the income. So it’s worked out exceptionally well, thanks.

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Joe the Prophet has escaped from the rubber room, everyone duck.

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Michael Szedon

April 21st, 2012
1:53 pm

What is your point?

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GT

April 21st, 2012
8:28 am

” Romney could have been a communist with a war-chest and he would have been elected in Georgia, money wins elections here, not majorities”

You are kidding right? Barnes had more money the Perdue and Deal and lost both times. Ideology wins in Georgia and you libs just refuse to accept the FACT that Georgians are repulsed by your big government, welfare state ideology. This state is conservative both fiscally and socially.

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“…Georgia, money wins elections here, not majorities””

td, educate me here if you have a good source for a counter view. The excitement over money in American politics is driven by the statistic that, memory serving, 95% of elections in the US are won by the candidate with the greater campaign fund.

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Joe the Prophet

April 21st, 2012
1:53 pm

You really need to look up Liberation theology. It is the religion of Obama. When you look deep into its tenants then go back and read Matthew 7 again and tell us about false prophets. I will take Mormonism over Marxism any day of the week.

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OBAMA WINS!!! OBAMA WINS!!! OBAMA WINS!!! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS!! (of your bytchin’ and moaning). Delta will be ready and will probably offer discounted fares. Let’s call it their “inaugural special”. Goodbye!!!

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Joe the Prophet is overdue for anther round of electro-shock therapy.

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td-
For 2004, the figures are 91% of House races, and 91% of Senate races won by the candidate who raised the most money. For 2008, it was 93% of House races and 94% of Senate races, plus the Presidency.

So Barry, it would appear to be useful for your Presidential candidate to raise more money than President Obama.

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My typo: 2004 was 95% of House races, and 91% of Senate races.

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I do love you right wing mental giants.

You boys couldn’t hold your own in a tenth grade debate. Seriously.

So though the lurker brat spouts off about how the unions were not the great driving force behind the 8 hour day and the 5 day work week etc, he is as ignorant or stupid.

And it looks like more than a few of you slept through high school…

Many workers—men, women and children—put in 10 to 16 hour days, seven days a week. Labor organizers called on the government to mandate shorter hours. Workers lost lives in the struggle. At Haymarket Square in Chicago, police gunned down protesters and men were hanged for inflammatory speeches.

So, who invented the weekend? It was brought to you by the Labor Movement, but also Management.

Men and women, who unlike you had a spine, fought and were beaten and killed to get all of you the MANY rights, protections and benefits that you ingrates and mooches now take for granted.

At least you could stop spitting on them…

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Careful there stalker. Kyle’s not as likely to ban people you start crying about as jay.

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VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENT ELECTED OFFICE HOLDERS IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS! The medium to far left on the political spectrum usually have their buttocks covering underwear in a wad about some perceived outrage. They seem to become very silent when told that when they liquidate all their possessions but that necessary to remain just above the poverty line, then, you wil consider doing the same. This since they hold such a deep belief in their philosophy of purchasing support with funds other than their own.

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Hard to understand why the libtards are perpetually angry. They’ve got their Messiah in our White House, they got Obozocare passed, they had a filibuster-proof majority and could have done whatever they wanted with our President Bush’s tax cuts…

What all the anger, libtards? Is there still something you haven’t been able to control, tax, corrupt, or ruin?

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Am Vet

Horses helped us conquer the west and helped the Allies defeat the Germans in WWI, however, we no longer need them in the armed forces. They performed admirably and are to be praised, but now belong in a pasture. We are grateful for their service. Move on.

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Excellent point, Rafe.

Maybe now that unions have driven our economy into the ditch with their job-destroying demands and their unsustainable gold-plated public sector union benefits, it will be the corporations that rescue America from their tyranny. No wonder the libtards have such vile hatred for well-meaning organizations such as ALEC.

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Just saying..

April 21st, 2012
5:16 pm

td-
For 2004, the figures are 91% of House races, and 91% of Senate races won by the candidate who raised the most money. For 2008, it was 93% of House races and 94% of Senate races, plus the Presidency.

Like I said does these numbers have to do more with the power of incumbency or money? Since the house districts are gerrymandered in such a way that the opposite party can not win in 90 to 95% of the districts then those numbers you are quoting may not have any relavency. Just saying..

April 21st, 2012
5:16 pm

td-
For 2004, the figures are 91% of House races, and 91% of Senate races won by the candidate who raised the most money. For 2008, it was 93% of House races and 94% of Senate races, plus the Presidency.

Since the house district are so gerrymandered and the opposite party can not win in 90 to 95% of the districts then those numbers are a little skewed. On the Senate side most states are red or blue so the money follows the party that is probably going to win so your numbers theory is probably a little off there as well.

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“The new regime”—his name for progressive apparatchiks who run California’s government—”wants to destroy the essential reason why people move to California in order to protect their own lifestyles.”

I’ve often wondered if that’s what motivates liberals.

And the welfare recipients, he emphasizes, “aren’t leaving. Why would they? They get much better benefits in California or New York than if they go to Texas.

I had hopes for Jerry’s second go-round. He just can’t break away from the public-sector unions.

So the rich progressives will be providing for the welfare crowd and the public unions. That’ll be interesting.

Goodbye, California. I knew you when.

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heheh…oh yeah heheh….that’s richhh

cons pout raging over a tantrum…heheh

that missing gene for irony is gonna be the end of them hahahaha

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Rafe, see my comment about sleeping through high school?

One day, in some utopian future, you neocons will be able to make persuasive, fact-filled arguments and analysis, instead of being unpaid sloganeers and sophist analogies to equines…

But by all means, you and the blustering Lil BB should go over to the Lockheed plant in Marietta and spit on those men and women, if it makes you fell better…

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Am…..you would be well served to read the link @@ provided…….if you were in search of facts and figures………

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Mark my words that if we get to August and September and Obama is behind in the polls then we will see riots in the streets.
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And if we get to October and he’s behind, we’ll be bombing Iran.

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Amvet always ignores any facts and figures he doesn’t supply. Keeps him from thinking.

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RW-(the original)

April 21st, 2012
9:33 pm

Do not let people like AMvet fool you. He can not put two of his own sentences together because it would give away his true feeling and philosophy. This is a person that wants to “transform” America into a European socialistic nation.

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td,

No worries, I’ve known him and all of his sock puppets for years. I thought I’d just pop in and have a little fun.

Andy,

jay banned me a while back but lacked the nads to tell me. I guess fools like “huge gold star mom” crying about me being mean to them finally got to him. I was on a new machine one day and posted a test message just fine so I went back to the old one and I was blocked. I know you can add that one up.

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Aren’t you counting on the Supreme Court again to do your bidding?

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RW, if you’re still about

Thanks for that info on the Mebo bar.

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Hell-ooooooooooo

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Weird!

I’ve got six posts awaiting moderation. Am I not allowed to interact with HUGE?

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@@,

It depends on how huge a thing you want to communicate with. (IS&WH)

/Sorry Semper…I couldn’t resist.

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td,

One of the craziest moonbats that ever graced these pages claimed to have been a Cornell alum. I’d have loved to see you go after old “finch” with a Cornell study.

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RW:

HUGE was a substitute for he, whose name I’m not allowed to mention. It happens over at jay’s too.

It’s weird!

Halloooo, Hillbilly.

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I think I love me. Now I’m going to give myself a big hug.

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VOTER ID requirement IS the necessary insurance for electoral integrity.

This article is a great piece of work outlining HOW democrackkks have methodically RUINED America! Dont EVER vote for another one!

The NC democrackkk party is so fraught with criminality NC wants to SHUT them down completely!

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I’ve noticed that when Kyle writes a really moronic article full of inaccuracies, he never comes back to defend it.

Like right now.

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td – 9:36

The American people will, sooner or later, get rid of our predatory capitalistic system and our bought and paid for politicians. Then we will have a “European socialistic nation”, and we will all be much better off.

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I’ve noticed that when Kyle writes a really moronic article full of inaccuracies, he never comes back to defend it.

No…that liberals would panic over a 1 in 5 success rate is pretty moronic.

Requiring photo ID to vote is common sense…something that Democrats refuse to engage in.

schnirt

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Hey, @@! You just gave me an idea to change my slogan.

How do you like it?

We who have been banned should all do it.

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@carlos – yeah the EU and UK are doing swell right now…a model for all of us to follow. Liberalism is an unmitigated failure. period.

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@@ – Banned from Bookman’s Land of Nod(s)? Knobs?

@@ – Banned from Bookman’s Land of the Lost

(ISH)

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I went out of my way to annoy the righties this morning , but the blog ate my homework. Well like Miss Scarlett said, tomorrow is another day.

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If you would stop acting like brats and insulting people and their families without provocation (see td at 9:36 and RW at 4:06) you wouldn’t get red carded, like @@ and the hater, among numerous others.

The funniest part of your lack of self-discipline though is how you swear it is because of your views, politics, opinions, etc.

Even Kyle has had to can a couple of the more egregious louts here. One recently, because I dared show up and address the topic at hand, and he went off like some jilted teenage girl who had been drinking heavily.

Good times in Delusionville.

So enjoy your little cult of victimhood and absence of personal accountability.

Toodles.

I’ll check in from time to time to see how the teeth gnashing goes.

Or not.

And enjoy your labor-union provided weekend!

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Not too sure why folks would want to go to bookman’s…….the guy is a partisan hack and visiting his site only makes him relevant. Took me a while of trying, but the guy lacks intellectual honesty.

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Tiberius, #Occupy My Desk

I do not know if the European model is that much better than what we have now. What I’m saying is that the American people are close to being so fed up with the corrupt system we have now that, out of desperation, they will try something different. I will stay here and try to work from within to change our political system, Unlike you, Tiberius, I do not have a “cut and run” personality.

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Road Scholar

April 22nd, 2012
8:00 am

td: Please enlighten me as to the gift limit in the Ga legislature. Then remind me why the people of Georgia reelect these slouches.

I do not know what the gift limit is and I do not care as long as the gifts are transparent. The voter votes from whomever they want to vote. If they like their elected representative receiving gifts from lobbyist then why should outsiders come in and tell them they are wrong? As long as the Representative is not breaking the law then their behavior should be left up to the voter in their district. If the people of the district do not care then they get the representation they deserve.

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carlos, why do you wish to completely destroy a system that produced the greatest nation in the history of this planet just so that you do not have to move?

If you like European socialism, it’s already available to you. Got for it.

Leave this country to the freedom-loving individuals who will make it great once again, rather than just trying to drag us down to your level.

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What constituted a bannable offense and should it have? The banned from another blog bloggers here leave the impression that they did nothing wrong. Could that be true. Are they all innocent. Will we ever know. Do they even know. I don’t know.

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AmVet

April 22nd, 2012
9:35 am

I insulted you and your family at 9:36? By doing what? Telling everyone what your true belief system is? Where is the personal attack? If I am wrong then tell us all what was wrong with my statement. Tell us all how much you hate the social welfare state and love free enterprise. Tell us how you think people should be held accountable for their actions and there should be consequences for bad choices. We shall be waiting patiently.

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I love my phone. I hate dropped phone calls. I love my computer. I hate a slow connection. I love to hate and hate to love. I am so emotional. I’m jealous.

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Because Stand Your Ground was around before Kyle laid down his Civil War weapon does not mean that it is relevant today. When morons like George Zimmerman can walk out of a pawn shop with an AK-47 over his shoulder Stand Your Ground is not as attractive. We hear of very few cases where a citizen lawfully kills an intruder of a criminal about to cause him/her harm.

Stand your ground is really a smoke screen law that authorizes land owning upper class people to kill the poor and minorities who have supposedly come to take what the former has. Stand your ground is a vigilante approval law. So, we ought to review it and how it is working. It is dumb to espouse that because it has been here a long time it is fine as it is, but that is Right Wing logic for you.

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Georgia is known as a particularly difficult state when it comes to accessing TANF. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), in 2008-09 for every 100 poor families with children in Georgia, only eight received cash aid.

On Monday, Republican Governor Nathan Deal signed a law requiring that people approved for TANF receive a drug test within forty-eight hours. They also have to pay a $17 fee for the test and it isn’t refunded, even if a person passes. In addition to the financial burden, forty-eight hours can be tough for someone who may need to arrange for childcare, or find transportation to a testing site.

Good job! Georgia’s poor should be grateful to those that have helped them pick themselves up by their bootstraps and not be a burden on the rest of us that had to earn our way.

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…all in the light of day…

Factually incorrect. The public is kept in the dark about who ALEC really is.

Up until 2009 almost no one had even heard of them. And they have operated quietly and virtually unobserved in the United States for decades

…I would experience over the next three days at the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) annual convention.

No one outside of he organization had any detail information on how much money the organization gets from which corporations.

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And their laughably false assertion that they are non-partisan (Of the 23 members of the public sector board in 2010, only three are Democrats. Of the 72 filled state chairmen seats, only three are held by Democrats) may explain why eleven major corporations have left their semi-secret society very recently – Blue Cross Blue Shield, Coca Cola, Pepsi, Kraft, Intuit, McDonalds, Wendys, Mars and others.

I expect that that number, like former Limbaugh advertisers, will keep climbing…

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New Census data shows that Georgia’s poverty rate was the third highest in the country in 2010, up two spots from last year, with more than 1.8 million residents counted among the poor.

The only states with higher poverty rates in 2010 were Louisiana and Mississippi. Nationally, 15.1 percent of Americans were living in poverty last year.

Most excellent work. Only two more states to pass. Good job. Give yourselves a pat on the back. Just think off all the people in need of charity now. That should keep conservatives busy and prove beyond a doubt that conservatives take care of those in need once Georgia is compared to those no good uncaring liberals in liberal states.

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Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
April 21st, 2012
8:10 am

“The Tea Party came to life because black people were living in the White House.”
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Ayn Rant: Racist.

The Tea Party came about because of the unprecedented spending an deficits of your Idiot Klown.

You do know what “unprecedented” means, right?
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Some of us even know the difference between “an” and “and,” Barry.

And a lot of know that Reagan tripled the deficit, that it had quadrupled by the time Bush #1 was out of office and that Bush #2 doubled it. So what is it that is unprecedented?

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Well the boat is out of it’s slip so I’ll bid you all adieu.

Later

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Niiice.

Interesting that RW, who continues years of insulting me from out of the blue, as he did at 4:06 yesterday, but who never uses my name (LOL!), does not try to defend the facts as I asserted.

They are anything but an out in the open organization.

ALEC is just another lobbying group…

More uninformed misinformation.

From the horse’s mouth:

ALEC describes its role as providing a forum for legislators and the private sector to discuss model legislation. ALEC has stated that because actual “laws are not passed, debated or adopted during this process,” “therefore no lobbying takes place. That process is done at the state legislatures.”

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Our predatory capitalistic system, complete with the best Congress money can buy, is rotten to the core. No amount of statistic twisting or conservative spinning will change this. When a majority of the voters realize this, it’s anybody’s guess what third party they will put in power. You can only fool the people for so long with your conservative spins and lies.

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So much fantasizing from the banned about winning an argument. The banned live in a fantasy world.

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Alec makes the headline of the NyTimes.

I would like to see pols heads roll like the Secret Service on this corruption.

Fair is fair.

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Love fest
ALEC has one non-Republican so that make them bi-partisan. Right.

Have you ever thought that maybe the Dems were all on unemployment, union break, or at a lodge meeting, when the notice of ALEC hiring was passed out. If they do not apply, they can’t claim discrimination. So, how many applied and were turned down for membership? Until you come up with that number, you are just barking.

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Rafe,

According to your “logic”, we must take into account, not just the members of an organization, but those that did not join as well, when determining its partisanship. That is some funny stuff you post. Seriously. Funny, as in whacked out crazy, funny.

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“This concept that private companies are writing the bills and handing them to gullible legislators to trundle off and pass is false,” Mr. Seitz said. “There is nothing new, surprising or sinister about private-sector organizations coming together with legislators to share ideas and learn from each other.”

Think state legislators wouldn’t just copy-paste bills written by corporations and other special interests? Think again. Earlier this year, a legislator in Florida introduced an ALEC bill but forgot to take out the ALEC preamble before doing so. Oops. That would be on line five. The second sentence in the bill. There must have been so much review that the second sentence just got lost in the shuffle.

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Alec makes the headline of the NyTimes.

I would like to see pols heads roll like the Secret Service on this corruption.
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Getting points of view from a variety of sources scares small minds and Democrats. Oops, redundant.

“Heads roll” in Democrat circles when an idea from off the plantation is raised.

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Rafe,

I’m sure your lame deflections go over really big, really, really big amongst your peers. Not with me though. 103 of 104 leadership positions in ALEC were filled by Republicans. How do you spell partisan.

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And ALEC’s membership really needs to establish some basic rules for introducing their “bi-partisan” legislation. FIrst and foremost, read the first two sentences and remove an reference to ALEC before submitting the bill as though it were some collaborative effort, “bi-partisan” or otherwise.

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ALEC also has that “education” legislation covered. A comparison between students in public schools versus those in the voucher schools pushed by ALEC showed the primary difference to be that the ones in the voucher schools had to pay more for the education. That is part of what ALEC is promoting after all. A for-profit education system. Not a better education system.

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“Neither were sent to moderation and both were dutifully answered by the full time resident psychotic al-gitmo. ”

You are getting better with your tolerance of other American opinions problem but still have a long way to go in civil discourse.

Lets face reality , the American voters marginalized you con kooks because you went hard right and became radical rw extremists. I tried to tell you.

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Another religious intolerant statement from the bigoted leftist, getaclue.

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And for you Bookman lovers over here, I’m proud to have been banned from his site because I told that two-faced little pi$$ant dictator exactly what I thought of his inconsistent standards for conservatives and haven’t regretted a day since.

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No, and I suspect you don’t either. Your point?

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Fester
A for-profit education system. Not a better education system.

Who says a for-profit education system is not better than a public education system. We have tried one and it is a total failure, maybe the other one would work. “work” didn’t mean to scare you!

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I was talking about the 12 election where the voters marginalized you cons.

Is it over getaclue? Pray tell who won?

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rafe,

The best you will get is another con VP that will lose like palin.

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which is backward-looking

And this is a bad thing? We are so far down the road to socialism with all the deficit spending, financial irresponsibility, socialized medicine, and the loss of freedom, backward is the only logical place to look. The future, under the current unmitigated disaster, is too frightening to anticipate.

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rafe,

If you want to look back at the collapse to avoid another collapse, I am all for it.

You might want to look back at the nation building occupations costs too.

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“I sure hope they asked Ax about John Corzine, stealing billions of dollars from honest folks and avoiding jail, by volunteering to bundle money for Barry Oblamer.”

cons are for corruption like alec.

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The US is a capitalistic society with a handful of socialistic programs……..easy enough concept. The talking points don’t allow for the distnction, as the two parties do all they can to paint each other as out of touch with reality.

In reality, most all folks believe society should help those that can’t help themselves……the difference arises when one side also believes society should also help those that won’t help themselves………usually as a way to buy votes. And that is where the greater socialistic tendencies arise……….which is why Greece is on fire.

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“You could say that. . . . or you could say the differences arises when one side believes soicety should not held anyone . ..”

There’s that talking point I was referring to……..most on the right recognize the need to help the cant’s…………there is a difference.

As we choose everything we do, 1/3 of kids today are choosing to drop out of school (assistance program #1)………and where does that lead?? Are they cant’s or wont’s???

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American Professors Gather in Tehran for Occupy Wall Street Conference
BY DANIEL HALPERS

An alarming news report from Iran’s Press TV, a propoganda arm of the Iranian government, showing American professors gathering in Tehran to discuss the Occupy Wall Street Movement
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I wonder why the headline describes the professors as “American”. I guess it refers to their citizenship rather than their beliefs. Just like Obozo.

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You are getting better with your tolerance of other American opinions problem but still have a long way to go in civil discourse.

Honestly, he followed that with this-

Lets face reality , the American voters marginalized you con kooks because you went hard right and became radical rw extremists. I tried to tell you.

Civil Discourse, according to a moonbat.

geez

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Obama is shameless.

He’s losing support among the college students so what does he do to regain their support? Creates a state of panic. Lies by omission.

Disgusting!

Subsidized Stafford loan only one facing rate hike

Repeated warnings that student loan rates will double in July unless Congress prevents it may be causing unwarranted fears for people with college debt.

College debt is a big election year issue and many news stories and press releases omit or downplay the fact that the impending rate increase – to 6.8 percent from 3.4 percent – will affect only one type of federal student loan: subsidized undergraduate Stafford loans.

Moreover, the increase will only affect loans taken out on or after July 1. Students typically take out new loans each academic year, and the rate increase will not apply to loans that have already been made. “It’s not retroactive,” says Rich Williams, a higher education advocate with the U.S. Public Interest Research Group.

While the increase will be a blow to the students who have been enjoying a lower rate on subsidized Stafford loans over the past four years, it won’t affect the vast majority of loans out there.

“It’s not surprising the 3.4 percent rate expired in an election year,” says Mark Kantrowitz, publisher of Finaid.com. “Normally Congress passes legislation with a five- or 10-year window. The four-year window was timed perfectly for an election.”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/21/BUL81O6Q7H.DTL

Andy:

…my privileges are switched on and off as though they are controlled by outbursts of hysteria.

Mine too.

One of the more recent removals was a slight directed at jay. I posted another one. It went something like this “Hey, jay! I thought the rule was we couldn’t attack others bloggers but that you were fair game.”

I included my signature SCHNIRT!

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cant’s or wont’s???

WONTS’!!!

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Right wingers are prone to sudden and frequent emotional outbursts. It does make a good stress reliever. Group Hug!

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Time to go read Levin’s book.

Goodnight all.

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I wonder if My Little Stalker© would be able to comprehend that my first comment on this topic came after reading just the first page?

I doubt it…

Ah serendipity

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The decrease to 3.4 wasn’t retro either, so many were stuck with their 7.9……..what the kids don’t realize is the fed funds rate is still .25……which is the cost to borrow. The feds are skimming the kids to pay for other wants and the kids don’t seem bright enough to know it…….

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At Red Sox game, President Obama comes on big screen to recognize Fenway’s 100th anniversary, followed by loud chorus of boos.

Aahhh, our little spender booed in Taxachussetts.

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The administration and Media Matters are reviewing videotape of the event and anyone who booed the messiah and can be identified will be interviewed by the Secret Service.

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Right wingers should go with this “Obama got booed” thing. I see it carrying them far. Definitely the most substance of anything the right wingers have managed to come up to date against Obama. Good job!

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NEW YORK TIMES PUBLIC EDITOR: Yes, Our Paper Is Totally In The Tank For Obama

No chit!!!!!!

schnirt

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Did Obozo wear his mom-jeans to Fenway?

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I believe that ALEC has wielded much power in our nation for 40 years in, essentially, stealthy ways that are just now becoming known by most of the public. If ALEC had been so above board, then why was it so secretive in what it has been about for almost four decades? I believe that ALEC’s mission has been to enhance the interests of the few of wealth and power rather than the interests of the many – not a concept upon which America was founded.

Please read the below link which describes how ALEC is probably behind targeting teacher retirement pensions, now. If one cannot understand how this is simply wrong to do to those who are senior citizens now, and who spent their professional lives as public servants to others, words of mine will not be able to change one’s sensibilities, but I will reassert that what ALEC is attempting to do, in that regard, is morally wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/bobby-jindal-recall-education-reform_n_1424351.html

From the link above:

“The two said the policies pushed by Jindal will be destructive to public schools, moving money toward private schools and relying on test scores to gauge teacher performance. Romero noted that the group also is looking at Jindal’s plans for the state’s retirement system and his efforts to privatize state prisons to galvanize support.

‘He waited until he was elected for a second term and then unleashed this entire change of the education system. Now he is going after the retirement system,’ Romero told HuffPost. ‘This is all very fascist to me.’

Romero suggested that Jindal is not working alone, saying that she believes the American Legislative Exchange Council is behind Jindal’s efforts.

‘The governor is doing the job of ALEC,’ she said. ‘They are doing an overhaul of the entire state. It is a scripted ALEC overhaul.’ “

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Hey marko…. Nobody fears you little man. Unions are for losers who need someone to protect their jobs. Real men don’t need them.

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It is morally reprehensible to attempt to change the “rules of the game” for those who have planned their lives, from their early years, based on retirement pensions into their old age, and who are now old in years.

In addition to that, in my opinion, ALEC has created much unnecessary division within our nation through its maligning of the public sector. ALEC has, also, contributed toward making Americans more cynical and mercenary through their intentions to restructure America, as well as through their means of achieving their stealthy goals. America has functioned best when there has been a balance between the public and the private sectors. That healthy balance has been offset because of ALEC’s stealthy impact upon our nation.

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td

No matter what truth there is we can always search to find the one or exceptions that contradict a million cases of affirmative proof. “No tired race card crap.” here. The Right Wing, of which you are a
staunch lemming, has you well schooled as a racist. Don’t you notice that you can’t seem to do anything to convince minorities that the Republican Party is a clean organization? Do you believe that is an accident?
member

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[...] A left-wing ‘temper tantrum’ to short-circuit elections and their consequences [...]

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“It is morally reprehensible to attempt to change the “rules of the game” for those who have planned their lives, from their early years, based on retirement pensions into their old age, and who are now old in years.”

It is even morally reprehensible to hold up taxpayers for sweetheart deals while threatening strikes on jobs that contain no safety issues where the workers gets at least 2 months off per year.

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Stolen joke: What would you call it if Barack Obama put his dog in a carrier on the roof of his car? Meals on wheels!

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ragnar @ 8:49:

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Tibby@8:51

My daddy can whip your daddy.

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“If you aren’t worried about someone else doing your job better, you don’t do as good of a job.”
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Please, speak only for yourself, Tiberius. I will take you at your word that motivation, by fear, is probably true for you. However, it is not true for myself and for many others. Some people are more motivated by their own internal expectations, and internal rewards, to be the best that they can possibly be at what they do. That way of achieving is motivated by fulfilling one’s own potential and by striving for excellence for itself, alone. Excellent teachers urge each of their students to reach his or her full potential, quite aside from another student’s potential, which will vary. Excellent teachers make certain that all of their students achieve to the best of their individual abilities, within a collaborative and nurturing environment.

Ours are simply two differing ways of looking at, and of approaching, life.

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Sorry, Mary Elizabeth, but all the pie-eyed, Skittles and unicorn rantings you post do not reverse basic human behavior.

For every one person you can trot out who does a great job simply because they love to, I’ll trot out 1000 who do so for that reason AND because they want to make sure they’re irreplaceable to their employer so that the next guy won’t get their job.

Your fantasy world does not trump reality, Mary Elizabeth.

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“motivation, by fear”, those that are religious know this all to well. Too bad more people don’t hold them self’s to a higher standard. Of course, this requires a real work ethic and personal responsibility, that is seems, a lot of Americans don’t have or choose not too.

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Abortion is blatant age discrimination by the left against the soon born and defenseless. Killing a human being simply for convenience is immoral and cowardice. The left has no heart.

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You forfeit the dialogue, Mary Elizabeth, when you refuse to face reality.

If you cannot acknowledge that which is all around you, simply because you disagree with it, not only are you incapable of commenting on it, you are incapable of doing anything to change it.

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Tiberius, I was banned from Bookman’s on Saturday just for acknowedging I Report’s presence and posting a tribute song!

good grief, I guess they are trying to build a liberal utopia over there.

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ha ha – “acknowledging” for the for the spelling gestapo.

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moonbat betty, you’re another in a long line of bloggers freed from the Bookman gulag.

It proves everyday that he has no standards for banning people (except for those who embarrass him when they catch him in his nonsense).

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Well, I’m sure Kyle will be here soon with a new subject. But reading the posts on this last idea is enough to give one a personal “temper tantrum”..

For instance, how in the world do liberals expect us to cut the huge American debt without cutting expenses and everything else that costs us money? No matter what efforts are made, liberal Democrats are hollering and screaming about someone “stealing their money”.

A few strong governors realize the financial situation of our country and its states and are trying to make reasonable financial cuts to keep their domains able to stay within their budgets. So they are demonized by Demoracts who fight them every step of the way. Unions seem to have no other thoughts but their own survival. The country as a whole does not figure to them.

Are Democrats totally unconcscious? Not all of them I’m sure. But then comes Mary Elizabeth, crying and moaning like teachers are Joan of Arc and bad people are burning their pensions at the stake. Most teachers are dedicated as are most professionals, but they are no saints as the teachers of APB have shown us.

Would Democrats please step forward and show us that you CARE and that our president is not simply running around the country (Ft. Stewart today) trying to raise election funds instead of any worry about the funds of the USA and its stability?

What a crock! That’s my spiel for a while. I’m busy today.

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Excellent point, md. The private sector pays ALL the bills in this country. The government sector, aka the “takers”, merely decide how much they’re going to get in the way.

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