From Sine Die, a look at how ethics gets squeezed out of the sausage

Around 6 p.m. Thursday, the final day of this year’s legislative session, Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle had to make a phone call.

He wasn’t phoning the speaker of the House so they could gavel the session adjourned, sine die. Rather, Cagle was asking his chief legal counsel about an amendment to a bill.

I know, I know: Government-jargon-blah-blah-blah alerts are sounding all across metro Atlanta right about now. But this story isn’t about Gold Dome process. It’s about money, power and how the two intersect in ways that can be hard to see.

For a seasoned presiding officer who wastes little time assigning bills to committees and making various other rulings from the rostrum, Cagle’s pause was unusual. Then again, the amendment was unusually delicate: Sen. Jason Carter, an Atlanta Democrat, was proposing a $100 limit on lobbyist gifts to legislators. It was the same limit proposed by Republicans and — until then — snuffed out by higher-ranking Republicans in both the Senate and the House this year.

Cagle hung up, brought the Senate to order, and spoke.

He personally, he said, had voted before for gift caps, and he would allow the amendment if he could. But he was advised that, legally, he could not deem the amendment germane to the underlying bill because it dealt with a different section of state elections law.

Cagle’s decision probably was the prudent thing to do, legally. Even some proponents of the gift limit acknowledged it’s not necessarily a good precedent to lump two issues that different into one bill.

Four hours later, though, some legislators dispensed with that restraint. But not to pass a gift limit. Oh, no.

Instead, senators voted 46-4 to approve a bill, HB 875, about hunting and fishing licenses. The final version of the bill just happened to include an amendment allowing some rulings by the state ethics commission to be sealed from public view.

Carter’s amendment and the underlying bill both fell under Title 21 (Elections) of the state code, but the amendment was deemed out of bounds.

Now, follow me if you can: HB 875 began in Title 27 (Game and Fish), looped in part of Title 52 (Waters of the State, Ports, and Watercraft), at one point stood to tack on another amendment concerning Title 50 (State Government), and eventually circled all the way back to — irony alert — Title 21 (Elections), to add that part about sealed records.

To be fair, I guess, all those various portions of HB 875 did relate to withholding information from the public.

In the end, House members caught on to the attempt to use HB 875 to take some of the transparency out of the Georgia Government Transparency and Campaign Finance Commission (the agency formerly known as the State Ethics Commission). They voted it down, 143-25.

But if you’re wondering how these two situations could unfold so differently, you haven’t been paying attention. Everyone at the Capitol is for ethics and good governance, until they aren’t. So, as I heard in recent weeks from multiple people, the House can try to restore rule-making authority to the ethics commission, only to be blocked by the Senate, and the Senate can desire to study a gift limit and other potential reforms but get a cold reception in the House for the idea. The only result is neither gets done.

A ray of hope: Cagle could follow his stated interest in a gift cap by appointing a committee to study the concept and propose a bill next year. Unlike some others, he at least seems to understand it’s good politics.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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120 comments Add your comment

ragnar danneskjold

March 30th, 2012
6:14 pm

You were right: “Government-jargon-blah-blah-blah”

Dumb and Dumber

March 30th, 2012
6:17 pm

and maybe Cagle decided that Carter’s amendment couldn’t go forward because Carter is a democrat and Cagle knew this amendment would cause embarrassment for the GOP. Not only is Carter a democrat, but he is also a CARTER, and you know how the GOP feels about that.

Oh yes, Cagle says he is for limits, what do you expect him to say? Now if Cagle could get credit for passing ethics reform he would have found a way to keep the amendment alive. This is how one-party government works.

Sandy

March 30th, 2012
6:17 pm

“In the end, House members caught on”

House members caught on because Rep Mary Margaret Oliver spotted it and got the word out.

Hillbilly D

March 30th, 2012
6:32 pm

This is how one-party government works.

We’ve had one party rule for close to 150 years, so we know how it works.

@@

March 30th, 2012
6:56 pm

Little links?

Hillbilly:

Left a video for you downstairs.

Skip

March 30th, 2012
6:59 pm

Remember the good old days when they at least tried to hide how dishonest they are?

Hillbilly D

March 30th, 2012
7:04 pm

@@

I’ve seen those boys before. They’re something. And rest in peace to the man that the vast majority of banjo players in the world, emulate; born with the perfect right hand. That’s off-topic and I’ll show myself to the door. (IW&SH)

And Josh Graves emulated Earl on the dobro, so most of the dobro players owe him a debt, too. Rest in peace, Earl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RvI6ZI2JWc

Rafe Hollister

March 30th, 2012
7:18 pm

And after all this 40 days of blather, they accomplished what; someone remind me. Sine Die, thank goodness, please go home and pick up after yourselves when you leave, please.

Now with Ten Percent More Flavor

March 30th, 2012
7:26 pm

The Georgia GOP continue to meet or exceed my expectations. Pack of crooks.

sheepdawg

March 30th, 2012
7:56 pm

great article kyle, keep the heat on the corrupt ga legislature and governor crook

getalife

March 30th, 2012
8:15 pm

corrupt pols policing themselves is a horrible idea and does not work.

Michael H. Smith

March 30th, 2012
9:01 pm

You keep pounding away at one side of a two sided problem, Kyle. You do realize somebody has to elect these unethical politicians don’t you? What does electing unethical politicians tell you about the voters who elect them, Kyle?

The best solution is to never create its’ problem. We need smarter voters as much if not more than gift caps and ethics reform :)

@@

March 30th, 2012
9:12 pm

That’s off-topic and I’ll show myself to the door.

Don’t forget to pee on the dogs first.

(ISH)

I didn’t know about Mr. Scruggs (that’s what my Dad Called him).

He was a hillbilly too, ‘ya know.

Goodnight, Hillbilly, here and there.

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March 30th, 2012
9:13 pm

I’m just curious, the obozo administration has created an industry that serves no purpose, that being the green energy idiocy that has never produced anything of value, and has converted it into an enormous kickback scheme funding the election kkkampaigns of the same dummycrats that fund it, why are we even concerned with what the skimpy legislature in Georgia is doing?

Just askin…

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March 30th, 2012
9:20 pm

Notice how kookman is free to attack Republicans on each and every subject, up to as many as five times a day, while Kyle seems to be relegated to the obscure Georgia House or confined to the insanity that is the Gingrich campaign?

Has the Urinal put a leash on our boy or what?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

March 30th, 2012
9:31 pm

MIAMI — Newly released police video of a handcuffed George Zimmerman may be important for what it doesn’t show: No plainly visible evidence of a life-and-death struggle with Trayvon Martin. – Urinal

I’m just curious, the left wing race baiters and lunatics of the dummycrat party are obviously itching for race war in the United States of America, some sort of sicko revolution, so why are we discussing the miniscule details of Georgia law making?

DeborahinAthens

March 30th, 2012
9:32 pm

Keep electing them…these are your picks, Kyle. I Report… What the hell are you babbling about? Your syntax is that of a person suffering from Mad Cow Disease.

@@

March 30th, 2012
9:38 pm

Newt still has a campaign going!!??!! For what office?

I’ve kept silent about the Trayvon Martin incident since I don’t know what happened. I knew this was bound to though.

Parents of murdered British students criticise Barack Obama

The parents of two British students murdered in Florida have criticised President Barack Obama for his lack of compassion over their son’s deaths.

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March 30th, 2012
9:49 pm

Debs- Notice how @@ understands but you don’t? You must be some sort of freak, I’m thinking.

JDW

March 30th, 2012
10:14 pm

Well another session of the Georgia Dome is in the books. The crowning achievement? They cut the unemployment benefits of the people out of work ’cause God knows we wouldn’t want those businesses to pay enough to support the system…lets get the unemployed to foot the bill instead the slackers!

Well you get what you vote for…around here it’s not much.

E. Denise Caldon, Georgia Whistleblower v BOR

March 30th, 2012
10:28 pm

If Cagle’s “chief legal counsel” was our state’s Attorney General Sam Olens, there would be no surprise that Cagle was advised against allowing ethics of any form. “Educating” our elected officials for the next Legislative Session regarding Olens’ legal record when it comes to his Defendants – top officials at the Board of Regents of the USG – has already begun – and will continue for as long as it takes. Section IV of our Georgia Constitution, our elected officials, and the BOR’s attorney, Attorney General Sam Olens allow no ethics and fiscal accountability by our state’s higher education system. A new Bill to amend the Board of Regents’ “exclusive authority” is long over due and is being discussed for the next legislative session.

Dusty

March 30th, 2012
11:22 pm

Well, all this is pretty sad when it is just a try at getting people to do what is right. Seems like people should come with ethics and not have to be threatened to get some If only it were so.

I won’t say anymore. I’ll let MarkV rewrite some new lines for me tomorow so they can be just right.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

March 31st, 2012
5:45 am

The crowning achievement? They cut the unemployment benefits
———————-

Look for the Georgia unemployment rate to drop. Smaller subsidies for sloth will get you less of it.

mike

March 31st, 2012
6:17 am

Ethics? We don’t need no stinking ethics! You goobers elected people who lacked ethics so where do you suppose they would suddenly get some ethics now.

GT

March 31st, 2012
7:50 am

Strange bedfellows the law and the GOP. The Republican Party loves the law when it is telling other people how to live their lives, but feel restricted when it reaches over and tells the Grand Ole Party how to live. They can put it in your bedroom, on your phone, in the voting booth, your hospital room, your classroom, dining room and murder you with it, but will not allow it in the chambers of state government. Less government for the Republicans means more government for the rest of us, and them is getting smaller and us is getting bigger, something has to give.

carlosgvv

March 31st, 2012
8:24 am

Georgia’s dishonest politicians are only a small part of a much larger problem America faces. Many times, in the past, historians and pundits have compared America to the ancient Roman Empire and have feared their fate may be ours. The Roman Empire fell because it became corrupt and rotten from within. The same thing is happening in America. Anyone who thinks history will give America a free pass on this is living in a fool’s paradise. It’s just a matter of time before our fate will mirror Rome’s.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

March 31st, 2012
9:31 am

“It’s just a matter of time before our fate will mirror Rome’s.”

Why not? As it is, we’re already looking towards emulating Greece!

MarkV

March 31st, 2012
10:00 am

Dusty @11:22 pm: “I won’t say anymore. I’ll let MarkV rewrite some new lines for me tomorow so they can be just right.”

Only if you ask me pretty please.

lgm

March 31st, 2012
10:37 am

Keep putting out the names of the legislators who attempt each maneuver in their own interest, make them well-known for what they do, such as the one who entered the amendment to hide certain Ethics committee activities, Give them credit for their efforts so all know who is doing these things and they can be recognized by their constituents at election time.

Michael H. Smith

March 31st, 2012
10:46 am

What is truly sad are these obvious democrat (Socialist Marxist) hacks commenting as though the liberal bums they’ve elected are ethical. They would also have everyone believe that Georgia only went to hell as a result of the past 12 years of GOP control.

Please don’t let this thought rack your brains: Only one way a State could get this screwed up and one political party have total control over all of it for 100 years… DUH! :roll:

Hoops

March 31st, 2012
10:46 am

the pessimism from regressive blogger’s knows no bounds.

Michael H. Smith

March 31st, 2012
10:48 am

lgm

March 31st, 2012
10:37 am

You’ve given the best answer I can think of that will do the most real good.

Dusty

March 31st, 2012
11:01 am

MarkV @10:00
“Only if you ask me pretty please.”
————-

Ha! Don’t hold your breath!!

And now to more important things.
I’m beginning to see why Democrats want ObamaCare so badly. THEY need it! Look at poor GT @ 7:50. He finds Republicans in his bedroom, phone, voting booth, hospital room, classroom, dining room and they will murder you!!! Yeah! Uh huh.Give that man his meds!!

Then Carlos comes along like the mighty Romans predicting our eminent fall. Everybody ready for the Coloseum? The sky is falling.

OH well, just another day with the happy Dems. Real sunshine kids, they are…But let’s talk ETHICS! What? Some other time? OK…Sine Die it is….. .

MarkV

March 31st, 2012
11:10 am

Dusty @11:01 am: “Ha! Don’t hold your breath!!”

What a relief. I was afraid you might actually ask me to do that.

Dusty

March 31st, 2012
11:20 am

MarkV 11:10

Have no fear! I won’t be asking.. But the so-called Correction Facilities could use you. They have a lot of people who need corrections.

Just saying..

March 31st, 2012
11:46 am

“To be fair, I guess, all those various portions of HB 875 did relate to withholding information from the public.”

Fun-ney!

Just saying..

March 31st, 2012
11:51 am

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
March 30th, 2012
9:13 pm: “Obozo…”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
March 30th, 2012
9:20 pm: “Kookman…”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
March 30th, 2012
9:31 pm: “left wing race baiters…dummycrat…”

Gee, you whine a lot.

getalife

March 31st, 2012
12:12 pm

Our President’s first term was the comeback.

Our President’s second term is peace and prosperity.

Game over for you cons.

MarkV

March 31st, 2012
12:19 pm

Dusty @11:20 am: “But the so-called Correction Facilities could use you. They have a lot of people who need corrections.”

You would have to find a need for a correction in my posts. I could not do that with your posts – I do not want to occupy so much space on the blog.

MrLiberty

March 31st, 2012
12:49 pm

Ethics gets left out because we only have the democrats and republicans in office. Both parties lack any sound principles, care about the constitution, liberty, or freedom and neither actually respects the proper role of government. Those who aspire to elected office are generally the worst in society (for who else would desire a position that is fundamentally based on force or predicated on the position that government has the right to tell people what to do with their money or their lives). We no longer have statesman in office. We have politicians/parasites. Until the electorate changes their views on the proper role of government (protecting freedom and liberty – and NOTHING ELSE), we will continue to get government that treats us like their servants, rather than the other way around as it should be.

Old Timer

March 31st, 2012
1:10 pm

We don’t pay these legislators enough. And now you want to put a cap on the gifts they can receive? What are you—a bunch of commies? You think it’s cheap to run for office? You’re all socialists!

Dusty

March 31st, 2012
1:21 pm

Mark V

Short and sweet, huh?

Well, as usual, you misread my post. You could help CORRECT people at a Corrections Facilities. You know. LIke you enjoy correcting people who post here.

OH why do I do this. I should be out riding in my car since I was able to find it again after the rain washed away the pollen. (Relax, MarkV. That’s hyperbole! Honest. I did not really lose my car under pollen. )

MarkV

March 31st, 2012
1:39 pm

Dusty @1:21 pm: “Well, as usual, you misread my post. “

No, I did not. I just wanted to give you the benefit of doubt.

Dusty

March 31st, 2012
1:42 pm

Old Timer, 1:10

You got it! A bunch of socialistic commies!! Let’s make ethics laws for lobbyists. Put them on the payroll and let the legislators give them gifts. The legislators getting the worst deals on contracts would be ousted. Lobbyists offering the best deals would be promoted to legislators.

If we are going to have wheeling & dealing we might as well make it legal. Then we could call it ethical.

Dusty

March 31st, 2012
1:43 pm

MarkV

Yes you did.

MarkV

March 31st, 2012
2:00 pm

Dusty,

You are always right – when you are not wrong.

Oppo

March 31st, 2012
2:09 pm

Cagle is a pathological liar and adulterer. No one down here believes a word that comes out of his mouth

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March 31st, 2012
3:09 pm

A nightclub in Montgomery, Ala. is raising eyebrows by hosting a “Food Stamp Friday” party on April 6 that seems to glamorize life on the federal government’s food assistance program.

See ya there, Markie!

Or maybe we can hit Welfare Wednesday!

Duh!

Michael H. Smith

March 31st, 2012
3:09 pm

Since we know what causes lobbying, lets make laws that make lobbyist impracticable or unnecessary.

1) Eliminate corporate and business taxes.

2) Require that no State laws or regulations shall be legislated that will protect any business or corporation from capitalist market competition.

3) Make the State bidding process where possible more open, transparent and inclusive of small and start-up businesses.

If you know of any more ways to send lobbyist wheeling-it down the highway just add your ideas to the itinerary Dusty.

bluecoat

March 31st, 2012
4:16 pm

GW. destroyed the USA in 8 years.12 years to destroy Georgia.About right .

tiredofIT

March 31st, 2012
4:41 pm

Georgia government is a mirror of it’s citizens, sad.

Dusty

March 31st, 2012
5:19 pm

Michael H. Smith @ 3:09

Your ideas sound fine to me about lobbyists at the state capitol.. I might make a few more suggestions…

All lobbyist must wear the new five inch heel shoes or combat boots.

All complimentary lunches must be held at BurgerKing.

No lobbyists under 65 years of age.

I think these requirements would also be very helpful.

Wade Hampton

March 31st, 2012
6:12 pm

Ethics squeezed out?
.
Georgia lawyers.. and the Georgia Bar……
Those ethics were squeezed out in Law School.
.
Crooks all.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

March 31st, 2012
6:15 pm

carlosgvv: The Roman Empire fell because it became corrupt and rotten from within.
———–

The corruption that will destroy us is not that of the politician, it is the corruption of our moral base, most significantly the growth of the entitlement mentality. When we get to the point where adults attending posh private law schools demand middle class workers pay their $9-a-month incidental expenses, it’s over for us.

crankee-yankee

March 31st, 2012
6:28 pm

“Todd’s Principles of Politics”

1) Whatever they are telling us, they aren’t telling the whole truth.

2) Whatever they are talking about, they are talking about money.

Michael H. Smith

March 31st, 2012
8:08 pm

Dusty @ 5:19 pm

Those ideas could lend themselves to some interesting interpretations, probably even better results if one chose to read between the lines so to speak. :lol:

Our Government Crooks

March 31st, 2012
10:15 pm

The government at their best. They did accomplish something—we became the most corrupt state government in the United States–they effectively abolished the hr for the state–they watered down ethics—go figure—you ain’t see nothing yet! These crooks are experts!

David Green

March 31st, 2012
10:35 pm

Kyle in regards to the political corruption being promoted by conservative republicans underneath the gold dome; you and your fellow conservatives made your own bed {by voting them into political office based not on the morality you Christians profess but on the basis of a corrupt and sociopathic ideology: conservatism} now you will just have to lie in it and hang your head in shame.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

March 31st, 2012
11:35 pm

“GW. destroyed the USA in 8 years.”

teh stoopid. It burns. :roll:

captguitarman

April 1st, 2012
12:34 am

Jes’ good ol’ boys doin’ bidness. It’s been that way since Reconstruction. The change from one party Dem rule to one party Pub rule did not change the legislative culture, and it will not change for the better when the things recycle and the Pubs are shown the door. It’s just Georgia. Georgians have the government they deserve. It is that simple. If the decline continues, enough people get fed up one the ruling party’s arrogance, it will change gain. Voters don’t forget things like this on a subliminal level . . . it all kind of piles up over there in the corner. And then one fome election day, this big negative vibe rears its head among voters, and the ruling party is kicked out, and the outsiders come in, and guess what? start doing the same things. But, it will not take 150 years for this to happen again. In fact, with the crowd in power since Sonny was elected Gov, and then the Real Deal, the cycle will only get shorter. And things will change only when ethics laws with teeth are passed and an enforcement agency is given independent power, and a budget large enough to finance enforcement measures.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 1st, 2012
6:58 am

These liberals just never stop with their race hate-

WASHINGTON — At first, the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager at the hands of a >>>white<<<>>many<<< previous tragedies that cut short the lives of young black men. – Urinal

How much more ignorant can you left wing hate mongers really be?

1. If Zimmerman is white than so is obozo.

2. Name one other instance of a “white” shooting an unarmed black teenager. Just one.

If anyone is cutting short the lives of young black men it’s the liberals miring their families in welfare poverty or aborting them before they are even born.

And they are trying to blame all of it on “whites.”

Sick. Unbelievably sick.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 1st, 2012
7:00 am

(Format issues @ 6:58)

These liberals just never stop with their race hate-

WASHINGTON — At first, the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager at the hands of a {{{white}}} neighborhood watch volunteer was playing out like {{{many}}} previous tragedies that cut short the lives of young black men. – Urinal

How much more ignorant can you left wing hate mongers really be?

1. If Zimmerman is white than so is obozo.

2. Name one other instance of a “white” shooting an unarmed black teenager. Just one.

If anyone is cutting short the lives of young black men it’s the liberals miring their families in welfare poverty or aborting them before they are even born.

And they are trying to blame all of it on “whites.”

Sick. Unbelievably sick.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

April 1st, 2012
7:34 am

“Todd’s Principles of Politics”

1) Whatever they are telling us, they aren’t telling the whole truth.

2) Whatever they are talking about, they are talking about money.
——————————–

“I’ll have more flexibility after my election”

Got it.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 1st, 2012
8:19 am

So now that the geniuses at the Urinal have classified obozo as a white man, is it time to start accusing him of right wing extremism?

hahahahahahahaha, Good Lord, what a bunch of morons these liberals are.

RW-(the original)

April 1st, 2012
8:46 am

David

April 1st, 2012
9:42 am

everyone one of our elected officials are crooks. The steal just enough under the table they can’t be prosecuted. I will vote againast all incumbents for the next 12 years.

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
2:40 pm

RW-(the original) @ 8:46

You’re back! Lovely! So good to hear from you. Now don’t run off again.

Thanks for the info you posted. Very helpful!!! I covered my TV with a nylon stocking (for better transmission) and planted a spaghetti tree in the back yard. Can we celebrate with a visit from the Viking Kitties?

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
2:40 pm

RW-(the original) @ 8:46

You’re back! Lovely! So good to hear from you. Now don’t run off again.

Thanks for the info you posted. Very helpful!!! I covered my TV with a nylon stocking (for better transmission) and planted a spaghetti tree in the back yard. Can we celebrate with a visit from the Viking Kitties?

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
2:42 pm

My goodness. It really is April Fools Day. I didn’t do both. I really did not! No no!!

Don Abernethy

April 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

I have given up on politicians. When, as ordinary citizens, they become politicians their personality,their greed, their morals,their concerned for ordinary people. their ability to lie all goes out the window and they become the “politician”. You can not believe anything they say. They change. Voters are bewildered and have no clue who to vote for because it really doesn,t make any difference. They will do what ever they please after being elected and they know that voters are so stupid they will vote for them again next election. Our governments are broken and no one knows how to fix them.

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

Dear Don,

Have a little more faith in your politicians (it is a hard job) or run for office yourself.

Best to consider what others have and what we have . We are ahead every time in every nationality. .

MarkV

April 1st, 2012
4:00 pm

Dusty – the ingénue in our play here, who believes that we have the best in everything. A true-blood conservative, because if we already have the best, why try to improve? No wonder the conservatives dislike progressives so much. They want progress? Horror!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

April 1st, 2012
4:04 pm

“The president wants to reject the pipeline, and yet take credit for approving it,” said the president of the Institute for Energy Research, a think tank in Houston.

Referring to the president’s support for only part of the XL pipeline, Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Calif., said he was “highlighting a waffle,” keeping the issue alive while pleasing no one. “I think it’s the most idiotic political move I’ve ever seen.”

Well, besides becoming a ho to the Russians, but it’s close.

RW-(the original)

April 1st, 2012
4:05 pm

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
4:44 pm

RW, it’s really YOU!!! Hugs!! How good it was to see those charming kittens again. I say “was” ’cause I had to watch them several times just for the fun of it. I think they are my all time favorites.

Now remember, you are here to stay unless you are too busy making millions elsewhere. I haven’t won the lottery yet so I am still here. Wouldn’t leave anyway.

You wouldn’t leave dear Georgia either, would you? Perish the thought!!

Linda

April 1st, 2012
4:47 pm

The progressive movement has nothing to do with progress & is bankrupting America. Progressives don’t even like America.

http://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2012/04/01/progressives_simply_do_not_like_the_united_states

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

April 1st, 2012
4:54 pm

No wonder the conservatives dislike progressives so much. They want progress?
——————-

Our President Bush’s deficits: $300 billion. Obozo’s deficits: $1.5 trillion. Not progress.

Our President Bush’s unemployment: 4-6%. Obozo’s unemployment: 8-10%. Not progress.

Our President Bush’s food stamp recipients: 32 million. Obozo’s food stamp recipients: 46 million. Not progress.

Obozo: A failure to progress.

Linda

April 1st, 2012
5:33 pm

Even tho liberals can’t stand this web site, the article was written by a college professor. It’s a take on progressives & the constitution, the separation of powers, socialism & their connection to our current crisis.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/23936/

getalife

April 1st, 2012
5:39 pm

Which part of we are back did you not understand?.

No more doom and gloom.

Now get back to work Americans,

We need the revenue preferably in the green energy sector.

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

Well, in my ingenueish energy to extinguish the eternal egotism of MarkV @4:00, let me say that as a progressive in thought but not in governance, I would suggest a most provident move to keep America even more beautiful Give us a new president! STAT! Emergency!

NO place excels like our America and I want to keep it on the road of exellence. (If you disagree, please name the nation of your choice.)

getalife

April 1st, 2012
5:55 pm

Dusty,

We just recovered from the w collapse and you want to go back to another gop disaster?

Why do you hate your country like that?

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
6:04 pm

Getalife,

President Obama has already exploited the field of green energy with Solyndra.

Don’t ask him to do anything else.

Even the Supreme Court is having trouble trying to clean up his healthcare mess.

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
6:06 pm

getalife, 5:55

I don’t like people who tell lies.

I wish you would not fabricate facts so often.

getalife

April 1st, 2012
6:10 pm

Dusty,

Vermont is leading the green energy field and some red States are competing well.

The healthcare bill will pass 5-4.

His first term was the come back.

His second term will be peace and prosperity.

Americans that love their country do not want to go back to another gop disaster.

What is wrong with you?

RW-(the original)

April 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

Hi there Dusty! No way am I leaving Georgia unless we decide to open an office in Tampa. In that case I’m outta here! Although I think the internet still works from there.

I hope your spaghetti tree has a bountiful harvest

MarkV

April 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

Dusty @5:52 pm: “NO place excels like our America and I want to keep it on the road of exellence. (If you disagree, please name the nation of your choice.)”

Dusty,

It is not a question of choice. Most everybody wants his/her country to be the best. But it is about the mindless proclamations that we are best in everything. Unless one is an expert in a particular area, or it is something totally obvious, in most cases such a suggestion is an empty gesture. Tell me something where we are the best, and then tell me how you know it.

Hillbilly D

April 1st, 2012
6:59 pm

I hope your spaghetti tree has a bountiful harvest

I hope spaghetti is easier to pick than grits.

Dave

April 1st, 2012
7:08 pm

“Everyone at the Capitol is for ethics and good governance, until they aren’t.” No they aren’t or they’d act ethically and vote for bills that held them to it. Our legislators are an “ethical” joke. The funny part about it is they are so blatant about their distain for their constituents, they have no shame. They know that if they love them some Bible, restriction of civil liberties for everyone but the right people and are for lower taxes for the upper classes and corporations (check out the unemployment insurance bill) they’ll get re-elected. Sad – they fully intended to fully imasculate the ethics commission but got caught. Give ‘em a couple of years and they’ll “get it right.”

Linda

April 1st, 2012
7:35 pm

I’ve lived under 12 presidents & have never seen a president try to divide our country like Obama, but today proves that conservatives & liberals can celebrate together in harmony. While conservatives are celebrating our Palm Sunday, liberals are celebrating their Fools’ Day.

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
8:12 pm

MarkV @ 6:15

“Tell me something where we are the best, and then tell me how you know it”.

Oh ye of little faith!! You are so easy.

We excel in Freedom! I know it because I have lived with it all my life and enjoyed it privileges.

Any more questions?

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
8:21 pm

Well, RW & Hillbilly D,

You have so encouraged me and my spaghetti tree that I am planning a Spaghetti R US party at harvest time. All the good folks here will be invited, even MarkV and getalife who obviously need a good party.

And HillBilly, would you pick some grits for the party? I don’t have any hors d’oeuvres growing.at present.

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
8:58 pm

Dave @7:05

You can do better just like our state legislators can do better. But you strike below the belt starting with Christians–”they love them some Bible”.

Yes, we do and faith and love are the key to our beliefs. But like all humans, sometimes we fail.

Then you said “restrictions of liberty for everyone but the right people”.

The only restrictions on liberty fall on criminals. Is that your reference?

(They)”lower tqxes for upper classes and corprations”.
That doesn’t pass because 50% of Americans pay no taxes and most of the rest is paid by wealthy people and corporations.

Our legislators meet again in the near future. Write them your ideas and objections with no name calling and they will pay more attention.

In the meantime, remember. Our legislators have done nothing illegal. Just NO satisfaction!

.

Hillbilly D

April 1st, 2012
9:08 pm

I don’t have any hors d’oeuvres growing.at present.

I’ve got some neighbors that have horses and you never see anybody riding them. They might cut you a deal. ;-)

Linda

April 1st, 2012
9:42 pm

Dusty, just make sure your spaghetti tree does not produce bleached flour, which is outlawed in 27 European countries plus Canada plus Australia. I ran across this info a few years ago & let my husband read it. He has more of a chemical background than I do. He told me to NEVER buy bleached flour or bleached anything ever again.
As much as the fed. govt. wants to control our lives, wonder why the CDC does not ban bleached flour, etc. (rice, etc.) & wonder why the EPA is going after greenhouse gas emissions (breath) that cause greenhouse plants to thrive.

http://foodlorists.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-means-bleached-flour.html

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
10:26 pm

HillBilly D, 9:09

All I can say is “neighhhhhh”! Thanks anyway.

MarkV

April 1st, 2012
10:41 pm

Dusty @8:12 pm

MarkV: “Tell me something where we are the best, and then tell me how you know it”.
Dusty: “We excel in Freedom! I know it because I have lived with it all my life and enjoyed it privileges. Any more questions?”

And you have lived nowhere else? Then how do you know we are the best in Freedom?
The question was where we are the best.

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
10:42 pm

LInda @ 9:42

I assure you that my spaghetti tree will never produce anything with bleached flour. If those lil’ ol’ bleacher bugs attack my tree, I shall cut it down immediately. Nothing is safe these days!

(For real, Linda, I do use some unbleached flour. Sounds like it is much healthier for us. Thanks for the info.)

Dusty

April 1st, 2012
11:04 pm

Mark V, 10:41

Surprise! I can still read and write and see quite well and I’ve been looking around for some time. USA still the best!!

Now I did reside in Toronto for a short time when my husband had business there. Niagra Falls was still falling nearby.. And I did run over to Nogales, Mexico on a shopping trip–”Come ennn..have a look!” I once went on a short cruise far out in the Atlantic. Does that count?

Perhaps you would like to tell us where you have lived that makes you think we should change after hundreds of years of success..Yes? Well? We are waiting. Don’t change the subject! Confess!! No fudging!

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

April 1st, 2012
11:47 pm

Funny how Georgia is allegedly the “most corrupt” state government…so where are all the convictions?

Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Illinois#Convicted

MarkV

April 2nd, 2012
8:20 am

Dusty,

I have a question first: Are you ever able to answer a question that is asked? You must have learned the skill of avoiding questions by watching politicians. I had asked you how you knew that we were best in something, not whether we excel.

To answer your second “answer” first, your residence in Toronto and your short visits elsewhere do not count for answer to my question. You are still ignorant of the vast majority of the world to make a judgment where something is “best.”

And no, I do not like to answer your question about where I have lived. I have not made the claims you have made.

Wade Hampton

April 2nd, 2012
9:02 am

For what it is worth, I have lived in 4 different countries.
During the time spent in these countries……not ONCE did I have to show ID to buy booze or cigarettes AND buy it on any day or time, go through a license check, wear helmets on motorcycles, get pulled over by the local cops/tax collectors for not wearing a seat belt, …and……..I smoked freely whereever and whenever I wanted.(showing courtesy of course to those that might not like smoke).
.
Now repeat after me………
.
USA..USA..Land of the Free…Land of the Free.

clyde

April 2nd, 2012
9:15 am

I notice that the Governor of Maine is proposing legislation to do away with some pesky provisions to the Freedom of Information Act pertaining only to the Governor’s Office.Maine is only a few steps removed from Georgia,ethics wise.The Maine Governor is a Republican.you know.

clyde

April 2nd, 2012
9:19 am

Dear Wade,
The current smoking laws are a result of people showing no courtesy to the non-smoking public.I consider the laws some of the best ever enacted.

Steve

April 2nd, 2012
9:27 am

You idiots keep voting in these right wing corrupt clowns. Lay in the bed you’ve made stop whining.

(Georgia – #1 corrupt state)

MarkV

April 2nd, 2012
9:40 am

The point of my exchange with Dusty was not to denigrate the US, but to show two things. One, that a comparison of countries in most subjects is a precarious task, which most people do out of ignorance, not knowledge. Two, that if chauvinists like Dusty think that their assertions are patriotic, the opposite is true. People loving a country should recognize her weaknesses, because only then we can find ways to make her better, rather than pretending that those weaknesses do not exist.

The one thing Dusty could find solace in is that she is in a good company. When I watch or hear President Obama’s now famous quote about his story (election to the highest office in the country) being possible only in this country, I would like to ask him: “And how do you know that, Mr. President? Why do you feel the need to insult other countries?”

Glass House Rocker

April 2nd, 2012
9:59 am

Some of these “gifts” are reportedly amount to several thousand dollars. Are all they subject to income tax?

Nicole

April 2nd, 2012
10:49 am

How can there be any ethics in the gold dome when the person in charge of the state was run out of Washington as a results of an ETHICS investigation? And you expect there to be ethical people in charge of this state? You are sadly mistaken, but what is funny is the same unethical people of this state voted to put the unethical man in charge! Isn’t that a kick in the head!!!!

Ivan Cohen

April 2nd, 2012
11:03 am

Truth be told, they either were out to lunch or just cut the classes which were given on ethics. It has been shown time and time again on a national, state or local level, that legislators have an achilles heel. One can chalk it up as an “occupational hazard”.

UGA 1999

April 2nd, 2012
11:21 am

Steve….You mean like Obama?

Finn McCool

April 2nd, 2012
12:07 pm

Finn McCool

April 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm

From HBO’s new series called Newsroom:

“I’m a registered Republican,” he says. “I only seem liberal because I believe hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure and not gay marriage.”

Just saying..

April 2nd, 2012
12:34 pm

Linda: “wonder why the EPA is going after greenhouse gas emissions (breath) that cause greenhouse plants to thrive.”

Uh…..Uh…..Uh…..

Linda, you have many fans eager to read your posts.

Linda

April 2nd, 2012
12:48 pm

Just@12:34, There are 3 types of global warming/climate change/climate weirdness believers:
the still dos,
the never dids, &
the dids but don’ts any more.
Where are you?

UGA 1999

April 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm

Is it global warming or climate change? Are we warming or cooling down? Better ask Al Gore.

Linda

April 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm

UGA@12:56, You omitted global cooling from the ’70s.

There’s one more type of global weirdness believers:
the don’ts but say they dos.
Those are the worst ones. They are smart, but liars & users. They include Gore & Obama.

UGA 1999

April 2nd, 2012
1:31 pm

Linda….AMEN

AmVet

April 2nd, 2012
3:08 pm

Is it global warming or climate change? Are we warming or cooling down? Better ask Al Gore.

Incredible.

This dunderheaded claptrap AGAIN?!

How many years are you empirically averse nitiwits going to remain behind the rest of an enlightened planet?

From a 2006 article from that start up junk science magazine with no history of scientific discovery, excellence and impeccable reputation, National Geographic.

Scientists often use the term “climate change” instead of global warming. This is because as the Earth’s average temperature climbs, winds and ocean currents move heat around the globe in ways that can cool some areas, warm others, and change the amount of rain and snow falling. As a result, the climate changes differently in different areas.

Just saying..

April 2nd, 2012
4:19 pm

Linda-
I’m in the greenhouse. Being nourished.

The Ghost of Lester Maddox

April 3rd, 2012
9:10 am

Enter your comments here

The Ghost of Lester Maddox

April 3rd, 2012
9:11 am

Hell, if I had my way, any relative of “Jimmuh” Carter would not be ruled germane for any public policy position, least of all a spot in the legislature.