Ryan’s new budget plan points the way to saner fiscal future
In February — three years after Barack Obama became president, and 32 months after the Great Recession officially ended — the United States recorded its largest monthly deficit ever: $232 billion. So, last month we borrowed the equivalent of Portugal.
The relatively good news is that February usually features low revenues and high spending. The country is not actually on pace for a $2.8 trillion shortfall this year. Whew!
The decidedly bad news: Washington still is well on its way toward a fourth straight year of spending $1 trillion more than it takes in.
That word, “trillion,” has lost some of its shock value during the past three years. But if you have children, grandchildren or just expectations of living more than another 10 years or so, you must know runaway red ink is the most important issue we face today. And, with apologies to each Republican telling the country that putting him in the White House is the key to America’s future, any steps toward solving this problem must begin in Congress.
Which brings us to the best news so far. In between the Romney campaign’s giving an unexpected boost to Etch-a-Sketch and the Broncos’ trading Tim Tebow to the New York Jets this past week, the most consequential member of Congress tweaked his plan for backing away from the fiscal abyss.
Paul Ryan, the House budget chief from Wisconsin, laid out his revised Path to Prosperity. The plan may or may not be politically practical, but it is vitally important in illustrating the kind of choices necessary to balance the federal budget.
He does this by recognizing two realities Obama still denies, if we are to judge by the president’s plans.
First: Tax revenues during the past 60 years, regardless of tax rates or loopholes, have averaged 18 percent of gross domestic product. So, if we are serious about balancing the budget, we cannot keep spending above 22 percent of GDP, as Obama proposes to do indefinitely. We have to get it to 18 percent or less.
Ryan’s plan does this, in part by holding down spending on Medicare and Medicaid. The program for retirees would be reined in by helping seniors pay for competing, private insurance plans rather than having the government insure them itself. Medicaid would be effectively handed over to the states, which would get less money from Washington but also much more freedom to shape their health plans for the poor.
But he also does it by cutting spending for defense, for education — for everything besides health care and Social Security — almost in half within 10 years. Would that be a shock to the federal system? Certainly. But, just as certainly, it represents the scale of change required to bring Washington’s spending under control.
The second fact is that we will escape our budget hole only by growing the economy. Among other things, that prevents absolute levels of spending from plummeting even as they shrink as a share of the economy, making cuts more politically palatable.
He proposes to do this with a complete overhaul of the tax code. Among other things, the current six income-tax brackets would collapse to just two: 10 percent and 25 percent. The falling rates would be offset by removing the litany of loopholes and carve-outs that favor the well-connected and distort decision-making. Ditto for corporate loopholes, as that rate fell to 25 percent, too.
There is no greater issue for the country than getting control of Uncle Sam’s finances, and no starker contrast with what Obama proposes to do if re-elected.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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George P. Burdell
March 23rd, 2012
6:22 pm
You are correct but I’m not real optimistic any of them are going to get it done in time. There are just too many people getting their share of the action and they will fight to protect their piece of the gravy train. I think we are going to have to hit rock bottom before it really sinks in just how bad of shape we are in. The sad thing is that whether it is cutting government benefits, high inflation or some combination of the two, it is going to hit the less fortunate the hardest. With every additional responsibility handed over to the government, people are becoming more depedant on the government and they must not realize how perilous the position the country is in. I know I’m not really planning on SS to fund my retirement, or even contribute to it, and you would think lower income people would be terrified of being completely dependant on a broke goverment to provide for them. At some point, and probably fairly soon, things are going to get really ugly and we may even see riots and other public demonstrations that we never thought possible in the US.
Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
6:26 pm
Some good ideas, some bad ideas but it doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of ever passing.
ragnar danneskjold
March 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
Ryan’s blueprint may well define the November election. Well, that and the lack of a budget out of the democrat senate.
DeborahinAthens
March 23rd, 2012
6:45 pm
The Bush tax breaks are a huge part of the reason we are here. Bush was warned they would cause huge deficits. Obviously they have not created jobs, as the Republicans keep saying they will. The first thing we need to do is let ALL of the Bush tax cuts expire. Then we need to lowere the corporate rate to 24%. Then we need to eliminate the thousands of loop holes. Then, on the spending side we need to make the normal retirement age 70 for those born after 1970. We need to start a voucher system (Ryan’s plan) for the states Medicaid Federal funding. Bring our troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq. Stop sending money to these rat holes of corruption. Stop sending money to Egypt and Pakistan. If Iran acts up, drop a nuclear bomb on their heads. Don’t send troops. Don’t apologize. If you are going to fight a war, fight a war. The BS Bush promulgated has cost this country mightily and we might never recover.
MarkV
March 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
Kyle,
I believe that the first thing when one argues something should be to show some logic behind the argument. You have started with the following:
“First: Tax revenues during the past 60 years, regardless of tax rates or loopholes, have averaged 18 percent of gross domestic product. So, if we are serious about balancing the budget, we cannot keep spending above 22 percent of GDP, as Obama proposes to do indefinitely. We have to get it to 18 percent or less.”
I am not arguing right now whether we should or should not spend above 22 percent of GDP, but I submit that you have not presented any logical argument against it. Just saying that because tax revenues during the past 60 years have averaged 18 percent of gross domestic product is not an argument. Do you mean that we should always do only what we did in the past?
The other important point of your article and of the proposed budget is the way Ryan wants to hold down spending on Medicare and Medicaid. That will be an important political issue in the campaign for sure. Reining the spending Ryan’s way means seniors paying more from their pockets. Thinking that choosing competing, private insurance plans instead of government as a payer would somehow magically lower the medical costs is pure fantasy. It might force the seniors to get less care, however.
Liberals eat their children
March 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
The biggest problem is the DEMOCRATS in the SENATE lead by the idiot Harry Reid. They and President Obama refuse to cut spending because their REAL AGENDA is to destroy America, Capitalism, Freedom, Self Control, and the Free Market.
Road Scholar
March 23rd, 2012
7:17 pm
When you’re in debt , cut your revenue stream, right? Tax cuts for all…er…oh, only the rich?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
As usual, MarkV misses the point entirely just to argue with Kyle.
The point being made, MarkV, is that having 60 years of data showing that tax revenues as a percentage of GDP is significant in this regard: If you go back 60 years (that would be the 1950’s for you government educated drones), you had record growth in the economy, low joblessness rates, prosperity previously unheard of, and even funded the Vietnam War and the Space Race – and STILL didn’t rack up massive debt.
Why?
Because our Congresses and Administrations knew not to overspend what they didn’t have. They had CONTROL over their excessive vote-buying urges.
So yes, MarkV, you actually DO go back to doing what we always did – STOP SPENDING WHAT WE DON’T HAVE.
Paul Ryan just proved what many of us have been saying for years, and wondering why the rest of you are so damned slow to pick up on. We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a SPENDING problem.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Hillbilly D, if Romney gets into office and the Senate gets to an even 50-50, this plan passes without the need for a filibuster.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm
“The Bush tax breaks are a huge part of the reason we are here.”
No, they’re not. SPENDING is why we are here.
“Bush was warned they would cause huge deficits.”
And yet is was (and remains) unbridled spending that caused the deficits.
Liberals eat their children
March 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
“It’s the Over Spending Stupid” You can’t tax us enough to keep up with this run away spending from the corrupt government.
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Kyle, we know we have the right agenda for the country, economic and otherwise. Now we only need to put Republicans in control of the Senate, Mitt Romney in the White House and hold these people we get elected accountable unlike what we conservatives done – by merely complaining – when Bush & Company were in charge.
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March 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm
Arguing with liberals over the finer points of a spending budget is like trying to explain to them how to balance a checkbook, it’s just so pointless.
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CUSHING, Okla. — President Barack Obama Thursday ordered the government to fast-track a segment of the Keystone XL oil pipeline from Oklahoma to the Gulf coast. – Urinal
The pipeline to nowhere.
Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
7:33 pm
Tiberius
I think as soon as they start talking about Medicare, it’s DOA. Time will tell, though.
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm
We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a SPENDING problem.
And, a Federal GUB’MENT that is too dang big and too dang powerful problem.
Our agenda remains the same: Cut the Size, Scope and Spending of the Federal Government
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March 23rd, 2012
7:39 pm
Listening to all of the left wing race hustlers and lunatics spew their noxious hatreds in all the wrong directions, one is reminded of why we need neighborhood watch volunteers in the first place, if you know what I mean…
MarkV
March 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
As usual, Tiberius misses the point that there should be a logic presented when an argument is made. Kyle has not presented it. But one cannot expect Tiberius to understand that.
Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
Liberals are very literal. If you talk about low taxes they say why don’t we go back to rates under Eisenhower when they were 70% on the wealthy. You can’t convince them that people did not pay 70%, they had to right that was the rate. No, there were so many loopholes and tax avoidance schemes that they paid much lower rates. What I think Kyle is saying is that 18% is just about all you can expect to ever get from the tax revenue. Liberals are not flexible enough in their thinking to absorb the fact that people change their habits to avoid taxes, they spend more on tax lawyers and accountants. There is a certain threshold that people will voluntarily pay, but cross that and watch them move, change their habits, and go into the avoidance mode. No matter how over the years they have changed the tax laws, they get about 18% in tax revenue.
So, there is only so much blood in the turnip, Congress needs to learn to live with that.
Deborah, regardless of the Obama tax cuts for the wealthy, we would still be 15 T or more in debt. 85% of the Obama tax cuts for the wealthy went to the middle class. The amount going to your enemy the rich was nice for them but insignificant, compared with the excessive spending of the Oblamer regime.
Hate to agree with a Techster, but Burdell is right, the big economic collapse will hit the poor and indigent the worst, as it always does, so instead of fighting austerity they should be for it.
Ryan’s budget is very good and more than we can get enacted, but as Ron Paul says hard to get excited about something that takes 28 years to balance the budget.
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
Hillbilly D
Why wasn’t obumerCare DOA when obumer took $500 billion out from Medicare and tossed it over the cliff along with granny tied into that dunkey driven wheelchair HUH?!
Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm
A very logical argument, Kyle, almost all of us were able to follow with no problem.
Just saying..
March 23rd, 2012
7:48 pm
” if you know what I mean…”
I certainly hope we don’t…
MarkV
March 23rd, 2012
7:49 pm
It is no problem to follow an argument that is not submitted.
Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
7:50 pm
Hillbilly D
I heard today that Obamacare eventually does away with Medicare rolling all seniors into Obamacare. If so, the GOP should be shouting that from the rooftops to let seniors know that the road ahead changes for them anyway.
Any one know if that is true about Obamacare eliminating Medicare. Have never heard that discussed before.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
7:50 pm
“Kyle has not presented it.”
And yet he has. As have I.
That you aren’t capable of understanding logic is not our fault, but yours, MarkV.
Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
7:52 pm
MHS
One reason is that the Democrats didn’t publicize that and run ads all over the TV, as they certainly would this plan because it’s from the Republicans. They took the stealth approach.
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March 23rd, 2012
7:52 pm
Looking at the Pukovich cartoon, one realizes how the left wing race hustlers and lunatics are extremely sorrowful that the shooter wasn’t some white guy, for now they are unable to really work themselves up into a mindless frenzy, if you know what I mean…
I guess they’ll just have to settle on a low key race hating agitation.
Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
7:54 pm
MarkV
You started the argument, the logic was clear and did not necessarily cause an argument.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
7:55 pm
“but I submit that you have not presented any logical argument against it.”
And btw, MarkV, the argument against spending at 22% of GDP is that our REVENUES DON”T GO HIGHER THAN 18% OF GDP.
That is why you don’t spend higher, my reading comprehensionally-challenged friend. Of course, if you want to make the case that a nearly 20% tax hike on everybody is the way to stimulate us out of a recession, go for it.
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2012
7:59 pm
Hillbilly D
Yeah, kind of like obumer/Pelosi & dunkey Company falsely advertising job creation, while the CBO was setting thei record straight and filling everyone in on the facts that obumerCare is a jobs killer.
CBO: Obamacare Will Kill 800,000 Jobs Over Decade
(CNSNews.com) – On the same day that House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was chiding House Republicans over job creation, the director of the Congressional Budget Office was testifying in the House Budget Committee that the health-care law President Barack Obama signed last year will kill about 800,000 American jobs over the next decade.
CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf was responding to a question from Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) regarding an August report from the CBO.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-will-kill-800000-jobs-over-decade
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March 23rd, 2012
8:01 pm
Hey, just saying.., I agree that they should arrest the shooter. But I don’t agree we should use this tragedy as an opportunity to start a race war in the United States. I guess some are too blatantly and blindingly stupid to follow the bouncing ball. We are again denouncing the wrong people.
And the Urinal just joins the mob. What an ignorant country we truly live in.
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March 23rd, 2012
8:02 pm
Ooops-
What a truly ignorant country we live in.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 23rd, 2012
8:12 pm
Ryan’s new budget plan points the way to saner fiscal future
5:54 pm March 23, 2012, by Kyle Wingfield
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Fiscal sanity is not what interests Democrats. Maintaining their power by confiscating the property of a small group of “makers” and using it to buy the votes of a much larger group of “takers” is what they’re interested in, and fiscal sanity makes that more difficult.
Democrats: Fiscally insane America-haters.
Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2012/01/obamacare-obama-ends-medicare-as-we-know-it
Well, the libs will argue that this is from a non objective site, but here it is. Too complicated to ever communicate to seniors who love Medicare, especially Dem seniors, who love their free stuff and don’t want to hear the truth.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 23rd, 2012
8:16 pm
MarkV: Do you mean that we should always do only what we did in the past?
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Where is the Democrat budget?
MarkV
March 23rd, 2012
8:22 pm
Tiberius@7:50 pm: MarkV: “…there should be a logic presented when an argument is made. Kyle has not presented it.”
Tiberius: “And yet he has.”
Not surprisingly, Tiberius cannot read. Here is Kyle’s wording:
“First: Tax revenues during the past 60 years, regardless of tax rates or loopholes, have averaged 18 percent of gross domestic product. So, if we are serious about balancing the budget, we cannot keep spending above 22 percent of GDP, as Obama proposes to do indefinitely. We have to get it to 18 percent or less.”
Kyle argument is that because the tax revenues during the past 60 years averaged 18 percent, we cannot keep spending above 22 percent. That is an argument, but there is no logic for it presented. Again, one cannot expect Tiberius to understand what is an argument and what is the logic of the argument, and whether it has been presented.
Rafe Hollister@7:54 pm: “MarkV. You started the argument, the logic was clear and did not necessarily cause an argument.”
If you think so, then point out from Kyle’s argument the words that presented the logic of it.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 23rd, 2012
8:27 pm
Don’t let 60 years of empirical evidence get in the way of your wet dream of bigger government forever.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
8:29 pm
For the reading challenged such as MarkV . . .
Kyle’s argument: “So, if we are serious about balancing the budget, we cannot keep spending above 22 percent of GDP, as Obama proposes to do indefinitely. We have to get it to 18 percent or less.”
Case closed.
Now, MarkV, if you wish (once again) to opine as to why a nearly 20% tax increase for everybody is the way to get us out of a recession, please do so. Otherwise, shut up and quit whining about your limitations. Or simply tell us how we can get to 22% of GDP revenue levels without raising taxes.
Your call, son.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 23rd, 2012
8:31 pm
Tax increases don’t grow the economy, they shrink it. Libtards think the opposite because they think the government is the economy.
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March 23rd, 2012
8:35 pm
Ryan’s new budget plan points the way to saner fiscal future? HUH
Paul Ryan cannot solve the budget PROBLEM with the same mind that created it.
Out by the Pond
March 23rd, 2012
8:37 pm
Cut federal spending. End the wars and cut defense in half. We are still the most powerful country in the world and we can reduce taxes for all
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March 23rd, 2012
8:42 pm
@Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2012/01/obamacare-obama-ends-medicare-as-we-know-it
Well, the libs will argue that this is from a non objective site, but here it is.
Too complicated to ever communicate to seniors who love Medicare, especially Dem seniors, who love their free stuff and don’t want to hear the truth.
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How dare you DISRESPECT SENIORS.
I BET YOUR mother, your grandmother, their mother, their grandmother, their mothers mother
all depended on social security or some form of medicare.
So don’t get high and mighty because a lot of you on this blog AINT IN THE 1%.
MOST OF you are ONE PAYMENT CHECK AWAY FROM BEING HOMELESS.
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March 23rd, 2012
8:48 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
March 23rd, 2012
7:52 pm
Looking at the Pukovich cartoon, one realizes how the left wing race hustlers and lunatics are extremely sorrowful that the shooter wasn’t some white guy, for now they are unable to really work themselves up into a mindless frenzy, if you know what I mean…
I guess they’ll just have to settle on a low key race hating agitation.
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It could happen to any family.
NO ONE IS IMMUNE
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
8:50 pm
“WANTED: Bloggers With An IQ Above 52 ”
Why do you want bloggers at least twice as intelligent as you?
Atlantarama
March 23rd, 2012
8:51 pm
I think the corporate tax rate should be based on a company’s investment in the U.S. Those companies based in the U.S. or foreign companies employing more Americans should be taxed less than companies using foreign tax shelters or outsourced workers. The government would gain from taxes the American workers would pay.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 23rd, 2012
8:52 pm
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Just step over it and move on, everyone.
Linda
March 23rd, 2012
8:52 pm
Deborah@6;45, This is the same comment you have made many times before. It’s no more legitimate now than it was the first time you made it. The unemployment rate every month during the Bush Adm. for 8 years was lower than it has been every month during the Obama adm. for over 3 years. There is no question that the Bush tax cuts worked. What has not worked during Obama is his attempts to stimulate the economy with spending money that we do not have for junk we do not need. That is the difference.
Maybe you missed the fact that Obama has already brought our troops home from Iraq, months ago.
Maybe you also missed the fact that in Obama’s budget released in Feb., he raised taxes on everyone & everything & still had a trillion & a half dollar deficit every year, taking our natl. debt another $10 T, to $26 T.
Obama has added more to the natl. debt in 3 yrs. than Bush added in 8 yrs. Who was it that “promulgated?”
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 23rd, 2012
8:55 pm
Now that the GOP has given the wealthiest massive tax cuts since 2001 and 2003, they want to pay for that and all past unfunded GOP expenditures plus more tax cuts for the wealthiest with what. The little that the poorest have left. Go ahead and show us that report that proves conservative Republicans are more charitable while you’re at it. Will the GOP finally be satisfied once they’ve had their fill of the poor, roasted, grilled, fried… I hear they freeze well too.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
I think the corporate tax rate should be based on a company’s investment in the U.S.
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And I think people who want bigger government should pay higher taxes.
Time to pay your fair share, Democrats.
Linda
March 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
Liberals eat@7:08, Don’t hold back! Why don’t you tell it like it is, Brother? I agree with you entirely. Wish FOX could reiterate such.
ByteMe
March 23rd, 2012
8:58 pm
Some people are statistically challenged. Anyone remember from school what AVERAGE means? Let me give you a hint: it’s not the MAXIMUM. You’re taking the AVERAGE and proclaiming it needs to be the MAXIMUM, and that’s just stupid considering we’re still winding down a war and coming back from a monster recession.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm
“they want to pay for that and all past unfunded GOP expenditures plus more tax cuts for the wealthiest with what.”
Guess you missed the whole “close all the tax loopholes” proposal made by the subject of this thread, didn’t ya, Ten Percent.
Real Athens
March 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm
CNS News. That’s a joke.
“The CNSNews.com (or Cybercast News Service), formerly called the Conservative News Service, is an American news website owned by the Media Research Center.
The site was founded i 1998 under the name “Conservative News Service”, using the domain name conservativenews.org. Initially it had a three-year budget of $5.46 million, funded entirely by private donations, and a staff of four reporters and two editors. It was later officially named the Cybercast News Service, CNSNews.com.
CNSNews.com’s motto is “The Right News. Right now.”
Fourth Estate, indeed.
Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
9:00 pm
Wanted
I am a senior, not disrespecting seniors,my friend. Most of my compatriots do not follow politics enough to know or care about the complexities of medicare, obamacare, or social security. They only get concerned when they are told no you don’t qualify, or told their check is not increasing this year. They are more up on things than other generations, sadly to say, but they are still pretty much willingly uninformed. Of course there are exceptions. Just to show you how uninformed seniors are you will recognize these statements if you are around many seniors.
Socsecurity is not an entitlement, I paid into it.
I don’t have to save for long term care, Medicare will cover me.
Don’t mess with my Medicare, I paid in for it.
I am far from one paycheck away from homelessness, hope you have saved your money as well. Remember pay yourself first, the rim and stereo store can wait.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
9:02 pm
“and that’s just stupid considering we’re still winding down a war and coming back from a monster recession.”
War – valid reason. Recession – NOT a valid reason.
Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
9:07 pm
I BET YOUR mother, your grandmother, their mother, their grandmother, their mothers mother
In the interest of historical accuracy, as best I can decipher from that, we’re going back to at least great, great grandma there and maybe even further (it’s hard to follow that line). My great, great grandma’s died between 1904 and 1941. Regular on-going benefits didn’t start to be paid out until 1940. I only had one (of
that was alive in 1940 and she was too old to have worked and paid anything in. Medicare didn’t start until 1965.
I can’t speak for Rafe, though. I don’t know how old he is and it really isn’t my business how old he is.
@@
March 23rd, 2012
9:07 pm
That word, “trillion,” has lost some of its shock value during the past three years.
Not for me, it hasn’t!
Democrats want to tax the millionaires and billionaires. That would just give the politicians seed money to grow more turnips.
No thanks…it’s time to bring down the trillionaires on Capitol Hill.
Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
9:07 pm
That guy with the sunglasses should say “of 8″.
Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
9:10 pm
As fine as turnip seeds are, there ain’t no telling how many $1 trillion would buy. (IW&SH)
JKL2
March 23rd, 2012
9:14 pm
road scholar- When you’re in debt , cut your revenue stream, right?
Actually, the first step is to STOP SPENDING MONEY. That’s why the Demwits continue to produce spending increases across the board. The only plan they have is to blame the Republicans for inability to do anything (it would really help if we had a president who provided leadership instead of a professional campaigner). As Nancy Pelosi said, “It’s time to drain the swamp”
MarkV
March 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm
For the reading challenged such as Tiberius: I have not argued anything about what the percentage of spending should or should not be. I have argued that Kyle made an argument that historically spending has been certain percentage of GDP, but no logical substantiation for his claim that therefore it cannot be higher.
Tiberius, why don’t you stop making a fool of yourself if you do not understand such simple concepts.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
9:24 pm
“I have not argued anything about what the percentage of spending should or should not be.”
Of course you haven’t. You’re just here to whine about Kyle and others who propose solutions you don’t like, but never have a counter argument against. Kyle is just fine with the 18% level, which is all you need to know. If he wishes to give you more, that is his prerogative, but if he does not, it is up to YOU to make a counter argument, which you still have not done.
Now, go over to Bookman’s blog if you want nonsense non-stop. We’re discussing solutions that require a certain amount of logic and intelligence that frankly, you do not possess.
MiltonMan
March 23rd, 2012
9:24 pm
Free handouts if you re-elect Obozo! The residents of Atlanta love the clown.
Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
9:24 pm
Kyle made an argument that historically spending has been certain percentage of GDP, but no logical substantiation for his claim that therefore it cannot be higher.
No need to make that argument, Oblamer has proven that there is no limit to the amount he can spend.
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 23rd, 2012
9:35 pm
Your guesses are not worth anything, TB.
As for that federal revenue: per the CBO, federal revenues have ranged from nearly 21 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in fiscal year 2000 to less than 15 percent in fiscal years 2009 and 2010. Federal spending necessarily fluctuates depending on whether we are fighting another trillion dollar fiasco such as Iraq or giving away tax cuts for the wealthiest without any corresponding offsets, etc. Then again, the GOP never has been any good with basic math much less something as complicated as ratios. Stick within your limits assuming you still have all ten fingers and ten toes.
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March 23rd, 2012
9:45 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
I think the corporate tax rate should be based on a company’s investment in the U.S.
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And I think people who want bigger government should pay higher taxes.
Time to pay your fair share, Democrats.
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Just step over it and move on, everyone.
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March 23rd, 2012
9:48 pm
@Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
9:07 pm
I BET YOUR mother, your grandmother, their mother, their grandmother, their mothers mother
In the interest of historical accuracy,
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Since WHEN did you and other bloggers CARE ABOUT ACCURACY?
Is that a NEW CONCEPT TO YOU?
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March 23rd, 2012
9:50 pm
@MiltonMan
March 23rd, 2012
9:24 pm
Free handouts if you re-elect Obozo! The residents of Atlanta love the clown.
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I don’t live in ATLANTA but I LOVE ME SOME OBOZO.
OBOZO in 2012.
Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
9:53 pm
I’ve always cared about historical accuracy. Anybody who’s read my posts knows that. So, no it ain’t a new concept for me but you might give it a try.
WANTED: Bloggers With An IQ Above 52
March 23rd, 2012
9:54 pm
@Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
9:24 pm
“I have not argued anything about what the percentage of spending should or should not be.”
Now, go over to Bookman’s blog if you want nonsense non-stop. We’re discussing solutions that require a certain amount of logic and intelligence that frankly, you do not possess.
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WHY go over to Bookman’s blog WHEN WE CAN get all of the NONSENSE NON-STOP
OVER HERE.
I just loves me some NON-STOP NONSENSE.
It amuses me.
WANTED: Bloggers With An IQ Above 52
March 23rd, 2012
10:04 pm
@Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
9:53 pm
I’ve always cared about historical accuracy. Anybody who’s read my posts knows that. So, no it ain’t a new concept for me but you might give it a try
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OK Hillbilly D
MEANING OF HILLBILLY – Usually disparaging an unsophisticated person, especially from the
mountainous areas in the southeastern US.
MarkV
March 23rd, 2012
10:05 pm
Tiberius @9:24 pm
You should not mention the word intelligence, which you lack completely. You have shown yourself the empty brain that you are. It is no business of yours to tell me to go to a different blog. For you, to go to kindergarten might be the appropriate place. When you fail the argument, all you know to do is to attack mindlessly.
WANTED: Bloggers With An IQ Above 52
March 23rd, 2012
10:11 pm
@Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
9:24 pm
Now, go over to Bookman’s blog if you want nonsense non-stop
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ITS 10:06 p.m.
ONLY 70 comments on this blog.
10:08 p.m. BOOKMAN HAS 156 COMMENTS.
I GUESS EVERYONE IS OVER AT BOOKMANS.
See ya
Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
10:16 pm
Well I see that the meaning of the word “hillbilly” is something else you know nothing about. It dates back to William of Orange.
Meaning of WANTED: Bloggers With An IQ Above 52
Silly SOB.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 23rd, 2012
10:24 pm
Your federal government spends $12,000 per person every year–$48,000 for a family of four.
Who’s paying your share?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
10:38 pm
“It is no business of yours to tell me to go to a different blog.”
I’m just trying to make you happy, MarkV.
Getting your a$$ handed to you non-stop over here must be frustrating for you.
WANTED: Bloggers With An IQ Above 52
March 23rd, 2012
10:54 pm
@Hillbilly D
March 23rd, 2012
10:16 pm
Well I see that the meaning of the word “hillbilly” is something else you know nothing about. It dates back to William of Orange.
Meaning of WANTED: Bloggers With An IQ Above 52
Silly SOB.
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I am back.
SOB?
Who me?
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A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON
Many words commonly used in America today such as Hillbillies and Rednecks have their origins in our Scottish roots.
HILLBILLY (Hillbillies)
The origin of this American nickname for mountain folk in the Ozarks and in Appalachia comes from Ulster. Ulster-Scottish
Are there inbred families in the Ozarks/Appalachians like in Deliverance?
Does Appalachia have more mental retardation, etc?
Does inbreeding lead to genetic abnormalities?
Is inbreeding unusually common in Appalachia?
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March 23rd, 2012
11:05 pm
@Rafe Hollister
March 23rd, 2012
9:00 pm
Wanted
I am a senior, I am far from one paycheck away from homelessness, hope you have saved your money as well.
Remember pay yourself first, the rim and stereo store can wait.
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YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
I am financially staple.
My car already had rims when I bought it and I have a nice Bose system.
MarkV
March 23rd, 2012
11:29 pm
The poor, pathetic Tiberius. He always makes a fool of himself, and still never learns. He reads something, fails to understand the point but he wants to attack the writer, so he writes something he believes is an argument. Only he misses by a mile, and when he is shown that, he just sputters, changes the issue, does all he can to cover his lack of intelligence. How pitiful.
man behind the curtain
March 23rd, 2012
11:31 pm
Kyle can look over his work here and be truly satisfied.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 23rd, 2012
11:38 pm
And for the third time, MarkV, your solution would be . . . ?
Of course! You don’t HAVE any solutions!
Just more whining and complaining.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 24th, 2012
6:41 am
Where is the Democrat plan, MarkV.
It’s easy for the do-nothing party to take shots at the American, er, GOP plan when they’ve offered nothing themselves.
Skip
March 24th, 2012
7:27 am
Spending bills originate in the house. The cons control the house, shouldn’t the debt problem be over?
Gordon
March 24th, 2012
7:30 am
MarkV,
I understand your point. What I think Kyle was saying is that no matter what the state of the economy is or what the tax rates are, in the end the government is not going to collect more than 18% of GDP over the long term. If rates are set too high, people change their behavior to pay less tax and the number eventually sinks back down to 18%. In other words, the government has less control than what you might think in how much revenue it receives, but has much more control over what it spends. It is therefore better to adjust the spending.
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March 24th, 2012
7:37 am
Appalachian culture is hillbilly culture. That extends into Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont and Maine.
And yes, there are rednecks in the South. Look at this bunch-O-rednecks in North Carolina!!!!
Don’t have a problem with them being rednecks. That they’re DIMocrats IS a problem.
The city most dominated by rednecks? Little Rock, Arkansas…and we all know who came from Little Rock, don’t we? Bill(y) and Hill(ary) Clinton.
schnirt
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
7:49 am
Given that federal revenues were 14.9% of GDP in 2009 and 2010, the GOP must be in fact favoring a retroactive tax increase to bring that revenue up to their new sacred level of 18%. Whatever you do though, DO NOT propose any number higher than ten fingers plus ten toes. To do so would require additional GOPeer fingers or toes and we would not want you guys running around trying to chop off other GOPeer fingers or toes just so you can count higher than twenty (note to GOPeers, twenty is ten fingers plus ten toes.).
Road Scholar
March 24th, 2012
8:11 am
“The program for retirees would be reined in by helping seniors pay for competing, private insurance plans rather than having the government insure them itself”
Isn’t that a cornerstone of “Obamacare”? Privatization of health care?
jconservative
March 24th, 2012
8:14 am
The deficits and debt are not a new problem. They have been a problem for 31 years.
In 1981 we decided to cut government revenue and increase government spending.
We were expecting the deficits to dissolve as a result of this new policy. Did they?
Here is where we are at today.
The President sent a budget to the House that is dead on arrival. The House released a budget, and will send it to the Senate, that is dead on arrival. In the normal course for the period 1789 through 2008, the House and Senate would simply neogiate a budget and both houses pass it and the President would sign it into law.
But that was then and this is now.
And it is an election year.
So we will once again do a trillion dollar deficit.
MrLiberty
March 24th, 2012
8:19 am
It doesn’t go far enough. There are no cuts to the ridiculous and quite unnecessary military spending. Spending on military does not equal spending on defense. We spend almost nothing on defense but plenty on military adventurism. The budget doesn’t end up balanced until way too far out if at all. No serious cuts are made to anything except those programs folks have unfortunately become dependent on. Only Ron Paul has delivered a serious and sound budget plan.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
March 24th, 2012
8:24 am
I Report wrote:
I don’t agree we should use this tragedy as an opportunity to start a race war in the United States
Five posts about race but you don’t want a race war? Yeah right…..
Attack Dog
March 24th, 2012
9:05 am
Ryan has never produced a budget with enough numbers for anyone to coherently show how it would reduce the deficit. How many good paying-long term jobs has Romney created using the personal tax cuts he has received? Hearing none, meeting adjourned.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
9:14 am
“How many good paying-long term jobs has Romney created using the personal tax cuts he has received?”
You don’t know much about the concept of “investments”, do you, Attack Dog?
Why am I NOT surprised . . .
Road Scholar
March 24th, 2012
9:14 am
JKL2: “Actually, the first step is to STOP SPENDING MONEY”
Actually, the first step is to STOP SPENDING MONEY…and not reduce revenues so that you can pay your debt off faster. There I fixed that for you. While I also support spending less, I will again remind you of the equation:
Revenue- expenditures= profit (loss=debt)
When revenue exceeds exp, you have a profit; when it doesn’t you have debt. So why shouldn’t we, while we reduce exp, keep the cash flow constant to PAY OFF THE DEBT FASTER???? Give me one indication that lower taxes has motivated our economy?
I am amazed how so many make broad stroke statements loaded with insults. Are we being children? Many of you are beyond that. The comment that all liberals ( I consider myself a fiscally responsible leaning liberal) are not true Americans , unpatriotic, free spenders, etc. Same with the comments about conserves..that they are war mongers, math challenged, anti-science..yadda yadda yadda. And if anyone thinks that you can turn the “ship” that the US economy is “on a dime”, think again. Stand in front of it and it will run over you .After Bush, or any President leaves office, the economies “momentum” still is extremely hard to change…instantaneously. It is not like changing channels on a tv, like many think.
While we continue to pay down the debt (remove the tax breaks) we need to determine what are our priorities and not only compromise, but trim spending.But no one is doing any planning and research what the alternatives cause to happen.
For instance, some want to do away with the home mortgage interest deduction. Has anyone examined, or have a study, that indicates what that would do to the housing market? It is already damaged by the recession , just to remind you.
Others want to cut taxes/spending but what would that do to the economy? Less taxes requires a longer time to pay the PRESENT debt. Cutting spending, most of it goes to private contractors, so what affect does it have on the job market…ya know unemployment and all that.
It is so easy to say…do this or do that, but has anyone made that suggestion with studies in hand that will reveal that we aren’t cutting off our nose in spite of our face? That’s why Bookman’s editorial about right sizing the military is spot one. What is cause and effect to determine the appropriate level of spending and manpower.
Plan, using studies on cause and effect, and discuss issues intelligently, without insulting and yelling and find common ground. There is NO ONE on this blog, in government, etc that has all the answers , let alone the right ones!!! Get over yourselves. Get real!
Oblama
March 24th, 2012
9:23 am
Dems never took economics at their college but Karl Marx 101 was available. The tragic case of Trayvon Martin’s death is being exploited by left wingers to stir up the Dem base (communists, etc) for Oblama with planned nation wide demonstrations. Playing the race card is just dirty old fashioned politics. Oblama has already started to run with the ball – stating that if he had a son he would look like Trayvon Martin. The Race Card is in play.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 24th, 2012
9:24 am
Skip: Spending bills originate in the house. The [Americans] control the house, shouldn’t the debt problem be over?
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Not with a do-nothing Democrat senate.
Where is the Democrat Senate plan?
retired early
March 24th, 2012
9:29 am
Ryan’s plan to have states control medicaid and medicare would be a deal breaker for me. I would not trust the GOP lead Ga legislature with pet sitting my dogs, much less my healthcare needs when I am too old to care for myself.
Based on how they have handled my pension, no colas 4 years and counting…where the 30+ years previous, we got one each and every year. They will simply do nothing and let inflation eat up the real value of my small pension.
So, no way I trust them. There is a reason these programs are handled on the Federal level. It is called “fair and equal treatment” for all…not left to individual states to decide what is “fair”.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
9:32 am
“There is NO ONE on this blog, in government, etc that has all the answers , let alone the right ones!!!”
I’d be offended by your statement if I wasn’t so magnanimous.
And Road, you don’t get the concept of removing ALL tax breaks based on your issue with potentially affecting the housing market by removing the mortgage deduction. It is not the role of government to stimulate, affect, prop-up or manage a private sector marketplace.
Their interference in the housing market is what largely got us here in the first place.
I’m a homeowner who is underwater on my mortgage vs.value by about 25%, but even I know that the WORST thing this government can do is to prop up housing values to “protect” the value of my home. The market was over-inflated by government, and it has to go back to it’s natural value by keeping government out of it. Prices will lower, new buyers will come into the market and all will be right with them. But I bought knowing that any value in my home in the future was a crap-shoot, and I am responsible for whatever actions I took during the housing boom here.
There is NO government solution that the private sector can’t do better if left to it’s own devices.
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
9:39 am
Road Scholar,
Your intentions are noble but I do not hold out much hope for an fact-based serious discussion on this particular blog. Bookman’s blog is by far the better choice. He does not, for example, preface a discussion with some bogus claim that fed revenues have historically been 18% on average and there every year should be that, etc. I’m not convinced that even Kyle has any intentions of stimulating honest, fact-based debate. I believe he is just here to push the ultimate GOP agenda of eliminating medicare, medicaid, social security, etc., and eliminating all regulations placed on corporations while increasing regulations on people’s lifestyles. Do you really see anything different coming from Kyle or any of the GOP?
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
9:39 am
YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
I am financially staple.
My car already had rims when I bought it and I have a nice Bose system.
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Truly, the IQ of a staple!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 24th, 2012
9:39 am
The Democrat senate is where progress and fiscal sanity go to die.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 24th, 2012
9:43 am
retired early: So, no way I trust them.
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retired early
March 24th, 2012
9:47 am
Canada did not experience a meltdown in their housing market, why…because their banks cannot sell the mortgages they originate, like the American banks were allowed to do. They must service their own loans.
Now, the American banks make more money in investment in the stock market so, they won’t “gamble” on a home loan unless you pay 20% down. Once again, they have a conflict of interest that continues to hurt the housing industry.
Left unchanged, these permissive laws regulating mortgage banks will keep the housing market “stale” for a painfully long time.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
9:48 am
Retired early
Based on how they have handled my pension, no colas 4 years and counting…where the 30+ years previous, we got one each and every year. They will simply do nothing and let inflation eat up the real value of my small pension.
So, what makes you special? Have you not heard that we are in the longest period of economic stagnation since the great depression. Wages are declining, home values plummeting, people unemployed at record levels, gas prices through the roof, inflation expected to hit record levels, and you are whining about your cola. Your leader has done nothing to remedy the situation, he just blames others for our plight.
hryder
March 24th, 2012
9:50 am
Enough! Those blaming Bush and Obama are correct. They do not share the blame alone. Congress and all those who supported these people are to blame which means the vast majority of voters. There is no majic that will solve the existing problems that will not cause discomfort to hugh, if not all, segments of the population. Stop paying for most “things”, that far too many people want but are not willing to earn. Only the barest of essentials for remaining alive should ever be provided for by the government.We now have people owning a house, several vehicles, color large screen TVs, etc. yet never paying any net federal income taxes because they have no legal income and they and their families have been on the public dole for several generations. Their votes are bought with our tax dollars by pandering politicans. Stop this insanity and VOTE OUT ALL OFFICE HOLDERS IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS INCLUDING THE PANDERER IN CHIEF, and replace them with people who will balance budgets without raising taxes or buying votes to insure remaining in power rather than providing for the good of ALL NET TAX PAYING LEGAL CITIZENS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
retired early
March 24th, 2012
10:01 am
Hollister
I was OK with no COLA for 3 of those years…but when the Feds gave us a 3% bump for SS last year I think the state was in good enough position to honor their committment to us retirees. BTW, I paid for my pension @ 8% of salary X 30 years. The State just administers it and helps to keep it solvent. Lately, beginning with the GOP takeover…they have decided not to honor their annual committment of funds causing the fund be less sound which they use to not give the colas…get it!!!
the red herring
March 24th, 2012
10:04 am
the federal government has outgrown it’s usefulness. the people in washington d.c. — lots of them in both parties simply don’t get it. they continue to outspend their income. we borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend. anyone that can’t see that as being a problem is insane. Obama has broken nearly every single promise he made in order to beat hillary and still the people wanting more handouts and freebies try to keep him in office as they realize he’s their best chance to keep getting free stuff and not having to work or even to try and find work. Ryan is one of the more reasonable people in Washington D.C. and we need many many more like him. He at least has a plan to start us on on the way to getting out of the hole that both bush and obama have dug for us. Obama’s continued push to spend, spend, spend is a joke.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
10:06 am
“Your intentions are noble but I do not hold out much hope for an fact-based serious discussion on this particular blog. Bookman’s blog is by far the better choice.”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
“He does not, for example, preface a discussion with some bogus claim that fed revenues have historically been 18% on average and there every year should be that, etc.”
For the unbiased on here (that would NOT include YOU, Ten Percent), Kyle is simply opening up the issue for discussion, one in which you haven’t provided any meaningful response.
The problem with too many people in this country is that they take a short-term view of a situation; i.e. “annual” deficit. Kyle has shown that, even in the good old days that liberals love when the highest tax rates were in effect, the government doesn’t really get that much more money over the long haul than when tax rates are lower. In short, the people find a way to be taxed at the best level for them, which appears to be about 18% of GDP.
So deal with it.
Don’t try to change it. Don’t try to massage the data to fit your world-view.
Deal with the reality that, in the end, you’re going to be dealing with about 18% of GDP to work with for income. Then set your spending accordingly. In bust years you’ll run a small deficit. In boom years you’ll pay that down. But the key is to STOP CREATING NEW PROGRAMS YOU WON’T PAY FOR unless you CUT spending elsewhere!
Because you’re always going to be limited to that 18% of GDP over the long haul.
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
10:09 am
retired early,
The GOP loves to use the technique of creating a problem, as they have with your pension funding, so they can then point a finger at their problem and proclaim “there is a problem” and use their problem as an excuse to implement their longer term goal of no social safety net, no corporate regulations, and excessive bedroom monitoring at the expense of those being monitored. Of course they have also yet to see a war that they are not willing to send you off to fight for their profit at your own expense either. Vote GOP at your own peril.
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
10:11 am
Not intended to be a factual statement.
That seems to be a common diversion amongst those that have nothing better to offer. However, your proclamation of what constitutes fact and what does not is itself non-factual.
Uncle Billy
March 24th, 2012
10:18 am
To reach Ryan’s goal most tax preferences would have to be eliminated, e.g. employer deductions for health insurance of employees, capital gains, dividends, home mortgage interest, carried interest. Mitt Romney’s federal tax would have to go from 14% to 25%.
In addition, Ryan proposes to get discretionary spending down to 4% of GDP by 2050. Romney proposes not less than 4% for defense which would leave nothing for anything else.
Ryan also proposes a plan for Medicare which assumes that market forces would reduce health care expenditures. There is no evidence that such a system has ever worked in health care. The current Medicare Advantage system has higher costs than traditional Medicare.
I doubt that Ryan could get a majority of Republicans to vote for his plan once all the details are filled in.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
10:21 am
And once again, Ten Percent, you address a response to a poster, rather than to the subject at hand (which you have thus far dismissed out of hand), making my point for me once again.
Focus, son.
And for the record, there was no “diversion” (you apparently don’t know the meaning of that word, either), as I addressed the issue precisely below my original comment to you.
Now, as with MarkV, you may continue to ignore the gist of the subject, or you may postulate your alternative that differs with mine. Your choice, Ten Percent.
I suspect it will be more meaningless bluster on the order of a MarkV. It’s all you guys have got.
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
10:21 am
The fact is that federal revenues for 2009 and 2010 were 14.9% of GDP, TB. When are you and Kyle going to recommend increasing tax revenues such that your magical mythical all-healing 18% level is reached. You should be blaming President Obama for not taxing us enough if anything based on your premise that 18% is the key to the optimum tax revenue.
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
10:22 am
TB, son, try to learn from your own actions rather than continue with your hypocrisy.
Road Scholar
March 24th, 2012
10:22 am
Tiberius: So what you say is the Fed has no affect on unemployment? Or should have no effect? Most work by the feds and state is now outsourced, do you know that? IE GDOT has cut employees from 12500 in the 1980’s to 4300 (or less) now. So the GDOT does not affect the economy?
But the fed was directly responsible for “forcing” banks to give questionable loans. As a good business man/woman, you have to do what is right for your business, right? Regardless of who tells you what? The banks are responsible. I haven’t seen a “gun” put to their heads to give the loans. They saw a way of giving loans, bundling them w/o assurances, allegedly insuring them, and then walking away.
You are against regulation. So we should have a free for all? Yeah, right. As Boortz put it…50% of the American people do not have the smarts to realize what is going on today as it relates to politics and the economy. I think it is more like 80% and the repubs/conserves/libs do not have a lock on that.
MarkV
March 24th, 2012
10:28 am
Gordon@7:30 am.
I am glad you understand my point which in essence was that Kyle, when making the argument, should have suggested his justification of it, like you have done now. When I made my point, I specifically avoided speculating about what that justification might be.
Now to answer your point: It is a reasonable argument, but I think a little tenuous, to take a long term average as a goal regardless of the circumstances.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
10:30 am
“The fact is that federal revenues for 2009 and 2010 were 14.9% of GDP, TB. When are you and Kyle going to recommend increasing tax revenues such that your magical mythical all-healing 18% level is reached.”
What part of “The problem with too many people in this country is that they take a short-term view of a situation; i.e. “annual” deficit.” and “In bust years you’ll run a small deficit. In boom years you’ll pay that down. But the key is to STOP CREATING NEW PROGRAMS YOU WON’T PAY FOR unless you CUT spending elsewhere!” do you NOT understand, Ten Percent?
Apparently – ALL of it!
I’d say open your mind, but you’d have to have a working one to do so.
Road Scholar
March 24th, 2012
10:31 am
retired early: I’m in your boat! Perdue reduced the state’s contribution after years of record returns (under a demo president) and the system has not been fully funded since. Imagine that! Sort of reducing taxes before you get your spending under control, eh? But the teacher’s retirement is more than 100% funded; they don’t experiment with the teachers, do they?
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March 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Truly, the IQ of a staple!
Perhaps the IQ of….but the ability to grasp (like a staple)? NOT!!!
schnirt
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
10:34 am
The GOP loves to use the technique of creating a problem, as they have with your pension funding, so they can then point a finger at their problem and proclaim “there is a problem” and use their problem as an excuse to implement their longer term goal of no social safety net, no corporate regulations, and excessive bedroom monitoring at the expense of those being monitored. Of course they have also yet to see a war that they are not willing to send you off to fight for their profit at your own expense either. Vote GOP at your own peril.
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The Dems refuse to admit that there are any problems. The GOP is trying to do away with your Soc Sec, Medicare, Medicaid, is what they say. They never tell the truth about how insolvent those programs are. They pretend that nothing is wrong, that the GOP, just hates old people. The Dems have never been the first to seek a solution to a real problem. Oh, they are the first to say we need to raise taxes, control guns, restrict religion, close coal fired plants, but none of these solve any problems, just try to focus the uninformed and illiterate on a bogeyman rather than the problem beneath the surface. Dems continue to stick their heads in the sand and refuse to address any problems that might cause harm to the folks on the plantation. Gotta keep the masses occupied with innocuous bogeyman, so they can sweep the problems under the rug, and keep the votes coming.
They depend on Oblamer to ward off any problems that they can no longer suppress and come to the attention of the MSM, like gas prices. Oblamers strategy is to say, not our problem, it is the GOP, the Chinese, the Iranians, the oil companies, GWB, speculators, trouble in the middle east, no support for algae development, blah,blah,blah.
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
10:34 am
TB,
Perhaps this will help you become less mundane in your attacks given that seems to be all you have to offer, son.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
10:36 am
“So what you say is the Fed has no affect on unemployment?”
No, I didn’t.
“Or should have no effect?”
Nor did I say that either.
“Most work by the feds and state is now outsourced, do you know that?”
Yes, I did. Your point?
“IE GDOT has cut employees from 12500 in the 1980’s to 4300 (or less) now.”
I’m so happy for them, however, it doesn’t change the expense numbers if they’re still paying to outside contractors.
“So the GDOT does not affect the economy?”
Nor did I say that, Road. Why can’t you make your own argument rather than trying to make mine?
“But the fed was directly responsible for “forcing” banks to give questionable loans.”
Yes.
“As a good business man/woman, you have to do what is right for your business, right?”
Usually, but at some point, even extortionists have to get their comeuppance.
“Regardless of who tells you what?”
You may like to bow down at the altar of the Almighty Federal Government, but that is YOUR problem, not mine. Me? I question authority.
ALL authority.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
10:38 am
And Ten Percent still provides no solution of his own, but continues to respond with drivel. (sigh)
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
10:41 am
Road Scholar,
The teachers have proven themselves to be a quite formidable group once you get their anger focused on you. I have not seen any Georgia politician willing to assault them in a direct frontal attack since the last one that tried. There’s strength in numbers. The Democratic party usually tries to capitalize on that fact with unions while the Republicans continue to do everything they can to prevent any unified action against their policies. Perhaps you should contact other groups and try to form a larger voting bloc.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
10:57 am
“There’s strength in numbers.”
Yeah, because mobs always decide on good policy for everybody rather than for their own special interests . . .
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
11:09 am
TB,
Please refer to the list I submitted to you in my 10:34 post. Your attacks really need all the help they can get. For example, your complaining that I respond with drivel and subsequent response to my pre-defined drivel only leads me to wonder if you lick slobber. Try to be more creative.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
11:16 am
And once again, Ten Percent doesn’t address the issue at hand, but continues to respond with even MORE drivel.
For your edification, Ten Percent, the issue at hand isn’t me, it is governmental budgeting over time and how it should be accomplished based on a 60-year average of revenues to GDP. Thus far, you’ve simply dismissed Kyle’s stance and complained about others while providing NO alternative of your own.
Focus, son.
Attack Dog
March 24th, 2012
11:56 am
There is a difference between making an investment and running a business. If Romney used his tax savings to create new businesses that created in new jobs, name one. Investing or buying existing companies does not create new jobs.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2012
11:56 am
Five posts about race but you don’t want a race war? Yeah right…..
McFool- You honestly can’t be this dull, can you?
Everyone of those posts calls for the inciters to STFU. I even point out that I agree with them that the shooter should be locked up, end of story.
What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with this, simpleton?
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
11:58 am
Lick that slobber, TB. It does a body good.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
12:02 pm
“If Romney used his tax savings to create new businesses that created in new jobs, name one.”
I suggest you ask Gov. Romeny, not me or anyone else on this blog.
“Investing or buying existing companies does not create new jobs.”
Still not getting that whole “investment” thingy, are ya, Attack Dog?
Attack Dog
March 24th, 2012
12:04 pm
If someone thinks the Ryan budget or the Blunt-Rubio Bill can be classified as progress, then we all agree that the Democratic Senate is where such things go to die.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
12:09 pm
Attack Dog
It is called saved jobs, Oblamer created the term as his stimulus created no permanent jobs. Mitt solved companies financial problems, cut under performing companies, consolidated companies, and therefore saved jobs. He increased job security in previously shaky companies. Those companies are growing and CREATING jobs now.
You demonstrate again that Dems have no clue as to financial responsibility, financial discipline, or how the private sector works. But then again, if you expect and hope the Gov runs the economy, why should you.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
12:09 pm
“If someone thinks the Ryan budget or the Blunt-Rubio Bill can be classified as progress, then we all agree that the Democratic Senate is where such things go to die.”
First, I don’t believe that you may speak for “all” of us, Attack Dog.
Second, if by “progress” you mean getting our budget under some semblance of control, then yes, it is certainly progress. If you think “progress” is creating more and more government programs without the means to pay for it, then you don’t know the meaning of “progress”.
Dirty Dawg
March 24th, 2012
12:11 pm
You’re sh!!tn’ me, right?
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
12:11 pm
Maybe America is not in tune with your idea of progress, Attack Dog. I guess we will find out in Nov.
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March 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
@Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
9:39 am
YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
I am financially staple.
My car already had rims when I bought it and I have a nice Bose system.
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Truly, the IQ of a staple!
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YOU are TRULY an OLD angry man who needs some sympathy.
Old Timer
March 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
Turn the seniors over to the tender mercies of the health insurance companies, huh? Abandon a system that features 2% administrative costs, turn to one that has 15 to 20% administrative costs, and everything will be fine.
Yeah, right! See you in November.
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March 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
THERE are 271 comments OVER AT Bookman’s. blog
People are MORE Interested in “A Pierce-ingly ‘Boring’ way to kick off the weekend”
THAN
“Ryan’s new budget plan points the way to saner fiscal future”. HUH
RYAN IS A LOSER.
heeheeheeheeheeheeh
snoqualmiepass
March 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
I would love to refresh y’all on investment in the nation. Well golly gee whiz mr.A Rod. Lets look at national investment by President Truman after WWII, golly gee whiz now what did he do? come on your the guy with all the solutions… Or how about the national investments by President Eisenhower… like the national hiways system.. Yes I know absolutly terrible ideas to bring this country out of the post war doll drums… And how about the tax rate at that time? Around 75% for the top earners.. So I am afraid Mr. ARod simply cannot or does not know history much less logic.. As he has stated previously, he’s like to the america’s dictator, that’s about as dumb as AU H20 1964, Mr. Arod is just a “voice, not an echo” You theocons slay me.
Bart Abel
March 24th, 2012
12:29 pm
Kyle: The falling rates would be offset by removing the litany of loopholes and carve-outs that favor the well-connected and distort decision-making. Ditto for corporate loopholes,
Actually Ryan, following in Romney’s footsteps, says that he’ll eliminate loopholes, but as usual, he doesn’t tell us which loopholes or when. I recall that House Republicans ran on repeal and replace of the health care law, but while they voted to repeal it, it turned out that they have no plan and no intention of replacing it. In short, they can’t be trusted to follow-up on their rhetoric.
With regard to health care, Republicans couldn’t care less about the enormous cost of health care in this county or expanding access to quality health care. This truth is also partially evidenced by the fact that that Ryan’s plan seeks to do away with Medicare, unnecessarily, and replace it with a voucher program of the same name, instead of fixing the cause of rising Medicare expenses.
The Ryan plan isn’t about deficit reduction; it’s about tax reform for the benefit of the extremely rich. Period.
GT
March 24th, 2012
12:34 pm
Personal responsibility, a word Republicans like to use but have no inclination to its meaning. We let Wall Street produce nothing yet get five or six Portugal size bonuses, what was all that about. They got the bonuses for creating easy credit, the same thing they are accusing the government of doing, yet in their easy credit scheme the Republicans get rich,floating projects that are bridges to nowhere. Then they don’t pay taxes on this Madoff knock off scheme, don’t want the poor blue collar to get a dime of this welfare, after all they didn’t steal it we did. You had idiots living like Rockefeller, billions of dollars that still can’t be found, yet they use the word conservative and Christian like they own it. Then they have the government that is too good to buy milk for a mother of five, bails these fat cats of non production out of the mess and leave the rest of us in that mess ,they created, to fend for ourselves. They didn’t want to bail the car industry out, that bail out worked because the money went to a purpose, outside bonuses to the rich, actually made something instead of shuffling paper and hiding money off shore. You unwind all that, never introduce the junk bond, the mortgage back security, hedge funds, credit swap or derivatives. You audit accounting correctly for Enron and other Republican Texas corporations, not have a war against shadows and invent a customer to buy weapons your friends make in their factories. Do all that and you would be surprise how that trillion word does not become so common. Your type might have to live by the worth they offer society, which is more like the rest of us you disdain so, but the world would be real, and that would be a start to what you claim you want as a conservative.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
“People are MORE Interested in “A Pierce-ingly ‘Boring’ way to kick off the weekend” THAN “Ryan’s new budget plan points the way to saner fiscal future”. HUH”
In case you haven’t noticed, Bookman has been around a lot longer than Kyle has, and has a following far greater. He also has a lot more unemployed liberals (an oxymoron, I know) who can spend a lot more time and effort on useless nonsense; i.e. a typical Bookman column.
They also enjoy their music over there on Friday nights. I don’t understand it, but different strokes for different folks.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
12:48 pm
“it turned out that they have no plan and no intention of replacing it.”
“With regard to health care, Republicans couldn’t care less about the enormous cost of health care in this county or expanding access to quality health care.”
“The Ryan plan isn’t about deficit reduction; it’s about tax reform for the benefit of the extremely rich.”
“Personal responsibility, a word Republicans like to use but have no inclination to its meaning.”
None of the above are intended to be factual statements.
Just saying..
March 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
Rafe: “…I don’t have to save for long term care, Medicare will cover me.”
Uh, Rafe, you might want to double check that…
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 24th, 2012
1:28 pm
GT: We let Wall Street produce nothing yet get five or six Portugal size bonuses, what was all that about.
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If they produce nothing, who is paying them and why?
The only folks who get paid for producing nothing useful are Te government and their parasite clientele.
David Granger
March 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
It’s true that Ryan’s budget…though certainly not perfect…at least BEGINS to tackle the huge job of trying to cut down on our enormous debt. But it doesn’t have a chance in hell, because very few people (liberal or conservative) want to face hard facts about our true financial shape.
Democrats want to keep spending money we don’t have because they buy votes with it…and Republicans don’t want to raise taxes because they don’t want to help the Democrats pay for all the votes they buy.
To some degree, the budget problem is a reflection of our illegal immigration problem: Nobody wants to be the first one to give in. Republicans know that there’s going to end up being some kind of amnesty…but before they support that, they want to government to PROVE that it’s serious about shutting off illegal immigration (so we don’t have ANOTHER ten million illegals in five years) by first seal the border just as airtight as possible for two years. And when you prove you’re serious about that, then we’ll talk about what to do with all the ones already here.
It’s the same way with our budget. PROVE you’re serious about cutting expeditures by (1.) eliminating as much waste as possible and eliminating overlapping programs, and (2.) for goodness sakes, stop adding NEW expenditures. No matter how “nice” it might be to add programs to the government, we’re broke…don’t spend MORE money we don’t have. Do that for a couple of years, and then we’ll talk about raising new revenues via tax increases.
But neither side wants to be the first to give in.
Old Timer
March 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
I don’t have to save for long term care, Medicare will cover me.
You get 90 days max from Medicare, Rafe. After that, you’re out $4,500 per month just for a usual nursing home. But don’t worry; Medicaid will kick in and cover you right after you sell your home and use up your life’s savings. And if you don’t sell your home, the state will take it and your savings as part of the process of covering your long-term care under Medicaid. You’ll be very, very poor, but look on the bright side: you’ll have a dingy nursing home you can stay in. With a roof and Nigerian nursing aides and everything. Ain’t it nice to live in such a compassionate nation?
GT
March 24th, 2012
1:42 pm
Who paid Madoff and why? Same thing, just one made it look legal through lobbyist and Republican influence while the other tried to go it along or couldn’t get into the club that run things in Wall Street.
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March 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
@Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
“People are MORE Interested in “A Pierce-ingly ‘Boring’ way to kick off the weekend” THAN “Ryan’s new budget plan points the way to saner fiscal future”. HUH”
In case you haven’t noticed, Bookman has been around a lot longer than Kyle has, and has a following far greater. He also has a lot more unemployed liberals (an oxymoron, I know) who can spend a lot more time and effort on useless nonsense; i.e. a typical Bookman column.
They also enjoy their music over there on Friday nights. I don’t understand it, but different strokes for different folks.
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ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU, Rafe, and Lil Barry that GIVES KYLE’S BLOG A BAD NAME.
YOU are right………….WE ARE FAR GREATER.
Just saying..
March 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
Barry: “If they produce nothing, who is paying them and why?”
IF that’s ment to be a serious question, then help define oil speculators for me. Those 40-60% who purchase a futures contract for oil, but who never take delivery.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
March 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
They are no longer the Bush Tax Cuts. When Obama signed to extend them they became the Obama Tax Cuts.
Got it Debbie?
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
2:34 pm
Just Saying and Old Timer
I did not say that, can’t you libs read? I said that most seniors say that to me, demonstrating how dumb the masses truly are. I have had two relatives in nursing homes, I know the rules backwards and forwards. My father was the only one in his nursing home of 90+ that paid his own freight. The Administrator constantly reminded my mother that she was stupid for not getting him on Medicaid. Mother said he saved his money, he doesn’t qualify. My mother was told that she was stupid for continuing to pay, and she needed to find a way to get him on the SYSTEM.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
2:36 pm
Above could be called an id ten T reading comprehension problem.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
It is a serious question, one you should try answering.
And I’m wondering why YOU aren’t buying oil futures if it’s so profitable.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
2:40 pm
TS PEOPLE LIKE YOU, Rafe, and Lil Barry that GIVES KYLE’S BLOG A BAD NAME.
Then why are you on here, and thanks for putting me in such good company.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
2:48 pm
Several of you have questioned Kyle’s statement, “…Tax revenues during the past 60 years…have averaged 18 percent of gross domestic product…”
This is a known fact that Democrats deny. “Since 1968, fed. tax revenues from all sources combined has been a relatively constant 18% of GDP–regardless of tax rates…No matter what it does, the govt. will collect 18% of the economy in taxes…Lower tax rates encourage businesses to create jobs & to invest in the future…”
This article explains this phenomenon.
http://www.antolin-davies.com/research/nydailynews.pdf
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012
Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman
Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 6:19 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 5:47 PM EDT
ORLANDO – A witness we haven’t heard from before paints a much different picture than we’ve seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.
The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.
Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.
What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.
The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.
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Interesting read. I have been wondering why the police didn’t just arrest Zimmerman and shut up the protesters. The ole two sides to the story once again. I know the libs say the police just will not arrest him because he shot a black teenager, but, rational people know that there has to be more to it than that. This may explain the inaction.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
2:54 pm
This is a chart from the Office of Management & Budget. If you tab over to the last column on the right, you can see for yourself the receipts(both historical & estimated) of the fed. govt. as a percentage of GDP.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
You can see that tax collections in high tax years were about the same as in lower tax years.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
2:57 pm
Linda, thanks for the research, I’m going to read. The whole argument makes complete sense to me as I believe in human nature. Libs spend their lives trying to change and alter human nature, it never works. Everyone pitch it and we will divide up what we earn evenly. Works every time, right? Not.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
3:04 pm
“ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU, Rafe, and Lil Barry that GIVES KYLE’S BLOG A BAD NAME.”
A: I didn’t realize that Kyle’s blog had a “bad name”. Where do you get that information from?
B: If challenging the liberal and conservative establishment with facts gives Kyle’s blog a bad name, then maybe those who don’t like it should just leave, ’cause I don’t do hyperbole and nonsense.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
3:04 pm
From Linda’s posted article
In the past 40 years, we have taxed the rich at astronomical rates, we have taxed the rich at
today’s middle-class rates, and we have taxed the rich at many levels in between. But the rate at
which we tax the rich hasn’t mattered – the government’s tax revenue has remained 18% of GDP.
So: The argument that we need tax increases to solve a revenue problem is null and void.
This seems easy to comprehend, but watch MarkV prove me wrong.
Jm
March 24th, 2012
3:12 pm
A must read
America on the precipice and about to go over
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/budget-346003-debt-percent.html
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
Jm
Sobering! Guess I better round up what’s left and convert to Canadian or buy silver. So depressing, as I have enough experience to know that the libs are not going to allow it to be corrected, so the best we can do is slow down the inevitable.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
3:43 pm
This graph shows individual, not all, tax revenues. Whether top individual tax brackets are 91%, 70%, 50%, 30%, etc. individual tax revenues as a percentage of GDP remains the same, per the White House Office of Mgment & Budget.
http://www.heritage.org/BudgetChartbook/income-tax-receipts
Linda
March 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
Rafe@2:57, Libs think that raising taxes raises revenues & believe that raising the minimum wage raises wages. That’s why Democrats could never run a McDonald’s. They think they would get more profit if they raised the cost of quarter pounders to $10 a piece. Basic math does not work in economics.
MarkV
March 24th, 2012
4:28 pm
Rafe Hollister @3:04 pm: “This seems easy to comprehend, but watch MarkV prove me wrong.”
Rafe,
Are you trying to be as much a fool as Tiberius, and claim I have argued something I have not? If you do, make sure you can prove it.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
4:37 pm
“claim I have argued something I have not? ”
One would first have to actually, you know, argue something before one could claim that someone was arguing for them.
We know that someone could not possibly be arguing for you, as we know you never argue anything on this blog.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
4:39 pm
Mark
I have been reading your posts for months now and still do not know what you are saying, why you are saying it, nor what you believe. I fear only you know what your argument is.
MarkV
March 24th, 2012
5:06 pm
Rafe Hollister@ 4:39 pm
I am afraid I cannot help your failure to comprehend arguments.
Yesterday, I pointed out that when Kyle wrote that we could not spend at 22 percent of GDP because tax revenues had averaged 18 percent during the past 60 years, he failed to provide a justification for that argument. The mere fact that something has averaged x% over 60 years is not, by itself, a justification of saying that therefore it cannot be anything else than x% in the next few years, no matter what circumstances.
You (@7:54 pm claimed that the logic was clear. I asked you to point out from Kyle words those that presenedt that logic. You failed to do so.
Incidentally, while I would not likely doubt Kyle’s numbers, I would not say the same about those from others. Federal tax revenues have not been “a relatively constant 18% of GDP.” During the 60 years Kyle averaged they have ranged from 14.4 to 20.6. That is a spread of 6.2%. The difference Kyle was arguing about as impossible, 22% vs. the average of 18%, was 4%.
SHAME On Paul Ryan and The Republicans (SANER fiscal future?)
March 24th, 2012
5:16 pm
This is unbelievable. The interest rates on federal student loans will double this summer if Congress doesn’t take action.1
Millions of American students from working class families are able to obtain a college education thanks to low-interest federal student loans. But now Congress is putting those loans in serious jeopardy at a time when students and their families can least afford to pay higher interest rates.
With Republicans in the House poised to double the interest on federal student loans, we need leadership from the Senate. Specifically, to stand up and fight on behalf of millions of American students.
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March 24th, 2012
5:22 pm
@Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
2:40 pm
TS PEOPLE LIKE YOU, Rafe, and Lil Barry that GIVES KYLE’S BLOG A BAD NAME.
Then why are you on here, and thanks for putting me in such good company.
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Those of similar taste congregate in groups.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
5:24 pm
“Yesterday, I pointed out that when Kyle wrote that we could not spend at 22 percent of GDP because tax revenues had averaged 18 percent during the past 60 years, he failed to provide a justification for that argument.”
Because we all know that if every “T” isn’t crossed and every “I” isn’t dotted, Mark V will not do anything but whine until it is, thereby saving himself yet another a$$-whuppin’ from his betters.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
5:26 pm
“The interest rates on federal student loans will double this summer if Congress doesn’t take action.”
Wow! More freeloaders wanting stuff from the government. Never thought I see THAT happen . . .
Linda
March 24th, 2012
5:30 pm
A liberal arguing with 60 years of history. A liberal arguing with the White House Office of Management & Budget in 2012. A liberal wanting to know the argument against racking up more debt. Who would have thought?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
5:36 pm
“Ryans plan in insane.”
Well, that settles THAT!
Uh, John? How about something a little more meatier than a hyperbolic absolutist statement from you on what, specifically, you believe is “insane” about Paul Ryan’s plan, OK?
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March 24th, 2012
5:38 pm
@Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
3:04 pm
“ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU, Rafe, and Lil Barry that GIVES KYLE’S BLOG A BAD NAME.”
A: I didn’t realize that Kyle’s blog had a “bad name”. Where do you get that information from?
B: If challenging the liberal and conservative establishment with facts gives Kyle’s blog a bad name, then maybe those who don’t like it should just leave, ’cause I don’t do hyperbole and nonsense.
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A. This is what a lot of people think about this blog.
MarkV
February 18th, 2012
10:27 am
I do not know what Kyle thinks about his blog; perhaps he is so busy with the newest member of his family that he does not have time to care. Because the quality of the posts can hardly sink much lower.
It has been always a place for rabid conservatives to gush out their vitriol, trying to outdo themselves in who can insult the President more nastily. Apparently it never occurred to them that nobody really cares what they write.
B. WHEN did facts ever have anything to do with your comments.?
MarkV
March 24th, 2012
5:46 pm
Rafe Hollister@ 4:39 pm: “Mark, I have been reading your posts for months now and still do not know what you are saying, why you are saying it, nor what you believe.”
Let me say this in response. I do not proclaim what I believe, and I do not argue with beliefs. Anybody can believe anything, and one cannot use reason to argue with it. Somebody can believe that in the center of the earth there is another planet, bigger than earth, and as long as it is a belief and not something he/she would try to prove, there is no point using geometry or physics or anything else rational to argue against it. Or somebody can believe something equally ridiculous but closer to the discussions here, like that global warming is a hoax, and there is no point arguing with that person.
I also have no interest in discussing here complex issues, which the armchair experts on the blog have no problem pronouncing judgments on. Further, I reject any importance of who or what the commenter is. The only thing that matters to me are the words that appear on the screen.
What the blog is to me is a contest of arguments. Either your argument is valid, or it is not. I point out arguments that I consider invalid, and present the reasons. I know that people like to use the blog just to proclaim their views. They have every right to do so, but I find it mostly uninteresting.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
5:47 pm
MarkV is your standard, IQ?
That’s about as funny (and as accurate) as saying Obama is a good President.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 24th, 2012
5:49 pm
“but I find it mostly uninteresting.”
And yet, you can’t seem to stay away . . .
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 24th, 2012
5:54 pm
Jm: Guess I better round up what’s left and convert to Canadian or buy silver.
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I’ve been buying Merk Hard Currency Fund…invests in currencies of countries that aren’t destroying the value of their money, like Obozo is the dollar.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
6:02 pm
Believing that global warming is a hoax is ridiculous?
I understand that a few people might believe that the globe is warming (coming out of a mini age age).
I understand that a few people might believe that humans are causing it (back in the 1800’s).
What I can’t understand are people who believe that politicians in Washington can “fix” it by taxing it & swapping it around.
What I can’t understand are people who believe that politicians believe in global warming.
Why didn’t the politicians come up with something that actually got warm, like stoves & clothes dryers? Why did they pick on breathing?
That’s what I call ridiculous.
Bev
March 24th, 2012
6:36 pm
Nice to see Kyle offers a place for the rabid right to vent. Certainly cuts down on the number of innocent’s shot by their local neighborhood watch.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
6:43 pm
Bev@6:36, Innocents is spelled I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T-S. At least that’s what Mrs. Wilson, bless her soul, said in third grade, & bless your soul, too!
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
6:46 pm
LBB, Thanks for the tip on Merk, I’ll investigate. Anyone else who has ideas about how to preserve wealth, while Oblamer, Geither, and his buddy at the Fed seek to devalue the currency, please post them.
Sly
March 24th, 2012
6:53 pm
rafe,
Bury it in a mason jar in your back yard.
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March 24th, 2012
6:57 pm
@Linda
March 24th, 2012
6:43 pm
Bev@6:36, Innocents is spelled I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T-S. At least that’s what Mrs. Wilson, bless her soul, said in third grade, & bless your soul, too!
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APPLAUSE….APPLAUSE……APPLAUSE
YOU made it to the 3rd Grade?
CONGRATULATIONS.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
7:01 pm
Sly, the way it is devaluing it wouldn’t be worth digging up in five years. Besides, I use my Mason jars to hold my corn harvest.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
7:04 pm
Wanted
What grade are you in this year?
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March 24th, 2012
7:04 pm
@Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
6:46 pm
LBB, Thanks for the tip on Merk, I’ll investigate. Anyone else who has ideas about how to preserve wealth, while Oblamer, Geither, and his buddy at the Fed seek to devalue the currency, please post them.
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heeheeheeheeheeheee
How to preserve wealth?
“An abundance of valuable material possessions or resources; riches.”
YOUR COLLECTION of ole time country records DON’T COUNT as wealth.
Or your COLLECTION of Billy Beer DON’T COUNT EITHER.
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March 24th, 2012
7:08 pm
@Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
7:04 pm
Wanted
What grade are you in this year?
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DON’T MATTER.
At least I AM NOT BEGGING people for advance on how to preserve wealth.
I have a financial advisor for that GENIUS.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
7:31 pm
Mr. WANTED@6:57, I also have a degree in Economics from one of the largest universities in the Southeastern US. What about you, Mr. ALL CAPS? Would you like for me to give you some instructions on how to pass Civics, especially that first lesson on how to be civil to a lady?
Like attention, do you, sir? I hope you know that Kyle charges for comments by the inch.
Like trying to intimidate women, do you, sir? Better luck next time.
Thank you for your accolades.
Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
7:44 pm
Wanted
Financial adviser? Is that what they call those processors at Title Max. Did you get your title back?
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March 24th, 2012
7:59 pm
Whooaaaa! Hillbilly called someone an SOB!!??!!
Rare…but well deserved.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
8:22 pm
Hillbilly, where are you? You still have not out-staged Obama. He’s actually selling tee shirts on his web site for $30 that are reminders of what Biden said when they passed Obamacare 2 years ago when he was unaware the mic was open. They read,
Health Reform
Still A
BFD
Wonder if his daughters wear them. Wonder if the Supreme Court & voters will agree.
http://store.barackobama.com/
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March 24th, 2012
8:26 pm
@Rafe Hollister
March 24th, 2012
7:44 pm
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Financial adviser? Is that what they call those processors at Title Max. Did you get your title back?
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As a matter of fact I DO HAVE MY TITLE.
MY 2010 CAR IS PAID FOR.
I SEE YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT TITLE LOANS.
Is that your SAFETY NET?
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March 24th, 2012
8:30 pm
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Whooaaaa! Hillbilly called someone an SOB!!??!!
Rare…but well deserved.
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KYLE always have a LOW class bunch of bloggers.
“It has been always a place for rabid conservatives to gush out their vitriol, trying to outdo themselves in who can insult the President more nastily. Apparently it never occurred to them that nobody really cares what they write.”
heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 24th, 2012
8:51 pm
Federal revenues were 14.9% of GDP for 2009 and 2010 so to keep the average at the magical historical level of an average 18%, President Obama is obligated to collect revenue for two years at a level of 21.1% since that would yield an average of (14.9 + 14.9 + 21.1 + 21.1)/4 = 18.0. I would strongly advise President Obama to reserve the two years where unemployment is the lowest, GDP is the highest, and federal expenditures (wars, etc.) are at a minimum as his two average balancing years.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
8:58 pm
Mr. WANTED@8:30, “Kyle always HAVE… ” You probably meant Kyle always HAS…” More kudos for Mrs. Wilson, my third grade teacher, God bless her soul, & yours, too, Mr. Capital Letters.
The rest of your comment needs additional third grade teacher TLC, but I will leave it for yours on Monday morning.
Isn’t it you, Mr. heeheeheehee, etc., who is trying to insult conservatives with your vitriol & nastiness?
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March 24th, 2012
9:08 pm
@Linda
March 24th, 2012
8:58 pm
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To bad Kyle isn’t PAYING YOU to be the grammar checker.
Don’t sell yourself so cheap.
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March 24th, 2012
9:16 pm
KYLE always ?>>>>have<<<<? a LOW class bunch of bloggers.
Linda already covered ^^^ that one.
Anyhoo…
Apparently it never occurred to them that nobody really cares what they write.
Obviously, YOU do…or you wouldn’t hang out here.
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March 24th, 2012
9:17 pm
WANTED:
And before you respond, just know that I won’t be reading it.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 24th, 2012
9:32 pm
Well, at least we know Louisiana isn’t AFUBR.
luangtom
March 24th, 2012
9:32 pm
I am still waiting for someone of authority to tell the US what actually was accomplished by the Democrats when they controlled House, Senate and White House for the first two years of this administration. Anyone? Why did the Senate not even get a budget passed during those two years of ultra-control? Anyone?
Linda
March 24th, 2012
9:37 pm
Mr. WANTED@9:08, I realize that the words “to” & “too” are a little much for some people, especially those people with limited spelling abilities from third grade. Let me give my third accolades tonight to my third grade teacher, Mrs. Wilson. I’m sorry that you were not equally afforded the opportunity to be educated to the maximum degree in our sorry school system & hope that you will jump on board with this new push to offer charter school alternatives to students, such as yourself, who have been denied a proper education.
What makes you think Kyle is not paying me to be a grammar checker & that I am cheap?
Cutty
March 24th, 2012
10:12 pm
When in debt…. Cut spending, increase revenue. To think that you can only do one or the other is just asinine. Until both parties realize this, we’re screwed.
Linda
March 24th, 2012
10:23 pm
Cutty@10:12, Thanks to the Democrats, we’re “screwed.” Democrats will never cut spending & will increase spending, every chance they get.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 24th, 2012
11:02 pm
When in debt…. Cut spending, increase revenue. To think that you can only do one or the other is just asinine.
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We know they can increase taxes, Einstein. The Democrats do it every chance they get. Let’s see them cut spending. After they’ve done all of that that they can, then we can talk about confiscating more of the property of people who work for a living.
lefty_316
March 25th, 2012
12:27 am
Well it looks as though Santorum has won another primary, this time in Louisiana. It’s not a coincidence he’s winning the states that year after year have the lowest graduation rates in the nation. His voters are Christian fundamentalists and it’s an established fact that education is the enemy of religious fundamentalism.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 25th, 2012
4:50 am
“When in debt…. Cut spending, increase revenue. To think that you can only do one or the other is just asinine.”
Obviously, Cutty missed the point of this piece entirely.
Why am I NOT surprised . . . ?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
6:55 am
lefty_316: It’s not a coincidence Santorum’s winning the states that year are the most conservative and patriotic (oops, redundant).
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March 25th, 2012
7:13 am
Obamacare’s Contract Problem
(“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people”), the court has specifically forbidden government to compel contracts.
In 1992, the court held unconstitutional a law compelling states to “take title to” radioactive waste.
Obamacare = radioactive waste.
Hopefully SCOTUS will “award” Obama and his BFDealers with a NO DUMPING! sign.
lefty_316
March 25th, 2012
7:57 am
Lil’ Barry apparently you consider the efforts of the religious right to legislate their religious beliefs patriotic – despite the fact that it’s forbidden by the Constitution. That’s not patriotic, not in the least.
James Madison, after studying every political system ever devised by man, correctly concluded that each and every government that has become infused with religion has become terribly corrupt and ultimately failed. And that is the threat to America represented by Rick Santorum and the religious right.
dcb
March 25th, 2012
8:06 am
Let’s have the finger-pointing end and concentrate on solutions. Democrats this, GOP that – Bush’s fault, Obama’s lack of reality, Barney Frank’s blinders …. true or not is a matter of opinion anyway. What does all this really matter? Let’s get on to the solutions. And Kyle is right on – leave the presidential part out of this. Its all politics anyway. Point the finger where it belongs – Congress. And let’s put the pressure on them to accept the responsibility – and all the PR that goes with it – to come up with specific and real steps to solve the fiscal problems. If term limits or reduction in Congressional perks is what’s necessary to have them bite the bullet, then let’s get to it!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
8:09 am
lefty_316: apparently you consider the efforts of the religious right to legislate their religious beliefs patriotic – despite the fact that it’s forbidden by the Constitution.
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I do consider efforts to limit or prohibit the killing of unborn children patriotic. I do consider preventing the federal government from forcing people to pay for abortions, birth control, and sterilizations to be patriotic.
It’s ironic that you find protecting religious freedom, protected by the Constitution, to be “unconstitutional”.
Why do you hate freedom? Oh, right, Democrat.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
8:15 am
dcb: If term limits or reduction in Congressional perks is what’s necessary to have them bite the bullet, then let’s get to it!
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Seems to me the Ryan budget does “bite the bullet” a bit. Are you implying that it doesn’t cut deep enough?
Michael H. Smith
March 25th, 2012
8:48 am
Nah, a President holds the power of the veto and the bully pulpit. Presidents’ too, share rightful responsibility and their proper degree of accountability.
But now, what about us?
When the cuts begin are you going to cry: Don’t cut my program, my project, my benefits, my loophole, my pet deductions, my subsidy or my service? hmm…
Ryan’s plan I’ve been in close agreement with for some time: A two tier flat tax, elimination of “ALL” – not some or a few that don’t affect me-ism – deductions, subsidies and loopholes of any and every type. Including a gradual transition of the entire “safety net” a.k.a. entitlements from the direct political – federal – control to direct individual control.
My greatest difference is in the funding mechanism and investment strategies that would or could be used to assure permanent fiscal solvency and a near complete individual autonomy from government.
Liberals eat their children
March 25th, 2012
9:23 am
Untill you get the corrupt dishonest Democrats out of office and the Whitehouse there won’t be any changes to help America. So vote ALL the corrupt dishonest Democrats out of office this year. Anybody but Obama. Besides Obama than will have the time so he can attend one of his Nation of Islam and Black Panthers rallies.
Rafe Hollister
March 25th, 2012
9:24 am
dcb
As that great philosopher Dr Phil would say, “you can’t fix what you don’t acknowledge”. We have to acknowledge who is to blame, who caused this mess, and what they did to cause it, before you can correct it. Also, you can’t expect the same people who caused it to correct it. Blame is widespread among both parties and we need to replace any of them that were involved, starting with Oblamer.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
9:59 am
Barry; “…And I’m wondering why YOU aren’t buying oil futures if it’s so profitable.”
Ford at $1.61 and Apple at $73 worked well enough.
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March 25th, 2012
10:03 am
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March 25th, 2012
10:05 am
Duplicate comment that never got posted?
Okey dokey.
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March 25th, 2012
10:06 am
@Liberals eat their children
March 25th, 2012
9:23 am
Untill you get the corrupt dishonest Democrats out of office and the Whitehouse there won’t be any changes to help America. So vote ALL the corrupt dishonest Democrats out of office this year. Anybody but Obama. Besides Obama than will have the time so he can attend one of his Nation of Islam and Black Panthers rallies.
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ATTENTION:
Ryan wants to make rich people RICHER.
POOR people you are on your own.
That means that MOST of you on this blog………..YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.
Avery
March 25th, 2012
10:08 am
This statement is unclear and actually does not mean anything: “Tax revenues during the past 60 years, regardless of tax rates or loopholes, have averaged 18 percent of gross domestic product.”
You cannot take an average of time-series data, and then claim that the “average” remains at this level “regardless of tax rates or loopholes.”. Again, the sentence doesn’t even make sense in a statistical setting. In fact, if you look at the data ( http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200 ), there are very clear trends in tax revenues which are driven by policy changes. For example, during Clinton’s second term, receipts range from 19% to 21%. They also were over 20% during the last few years of FDR’s presidency, and near 20% in the 69-70 years.
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March 25th, 2012
10:09 am
@Liberals eat their children
March 25th, 2012
9:23 am
. Besides Obama than will have the time so he can attend one of his Nation of Islam and Black Panthers rallies.
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Just like MOST OF YOU have time to attend one of your WHITE HOODED rallies.
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March 25th, 2012
10:13 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
8:09 am
lefty_316: apparently you consider the efforts of the religious right to legislate their religious beliefs patriotic – despite the fact that it’s forbidden by the Constitution.
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I do consider efforts to limit or prohibit the killing of unborn children patriotic. I do consider preventing the federal government from forcing people to pay for abortions, birth control, and sterilizations to be patriotic.
It’s ironic that you find protecting religious freedom, protected by the Constitution, to be “unconstitutional”.
Why do you hate freedom? Oh, right, Democrat.
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I find it IRONIC that YOU want to PROTECT the unborn and you HATE freedom for PEOPLE of color.
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March 25th, 2012
10:16 am
@lefty_316
March 25th, 2012
7:57 am
Lil’ Barry apparently you consider the efforts of the religious right to legislate their religious beliefs patriotic – despite the fact that it’s forbidden by the Constitution. That’s not patriotic, not in the least.
James Madison, after studying every political system ever devised by man, correctly concluded that each and every government that has become infused with religion has become terribly corrupt and ultimately failed. And that is the threat to America represented by Rick Santorum and the religious right.
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PEOPLE that INFUSE government with religion DO NOT READ THEIR BIBLES.
Their actions speak louder than words.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
10:27 am
Civics vs Civility
Linda’s Fight of the Century
dean
March 25th, 2012
10:51 am
You conservitives better be careful what ya’ll wish for…..the south get more government welfare then any other part of the country…………..everyone doesn’t want to live in a trailer and drive a 1966 pickup
Ol' Timer
March 25th, 2012
10:57 am
Cut taxes! Cut taxes! Even though tax revenues, as a percentage of GDP, is at a 60 year low!
Imagine trying to live and support your family on the income you had in 1960. Why, you’d have to cut, cut, cut; but I’d like to think you’d look for ways to increase your income along with the budget cuts.
This ol’ saw about tax cuts creating jobs has been proven over and again to be about as credible as the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. . . but some still believe in such things and continue to repeat and perpetuate it as if it was true.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
11:08 am
NYTimes: “The largest tax deduction in the code, used to write off the cost of a company’s health insurance for its workers, would be phased out over 15 years. The code’s other two big deductions, for mortgage interest and charitable contributions, would be curtailed, while the deduction for state and local taxes would be eliminated.”
The Future, Obama or Romney.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
11:11 am
Ol’ Timer, we’ve seen this movie before, haven’t we?
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March 25th, 2012
11:17 am
@Linda
March 24th, 2012
9:37 pm
Mr. WANTED@9:08,
What makes you think Kyle is not paying me to be a grammar checker & that I am cheap?
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THANK YOU for confirming what most of us BELIEVE.
THAT SOME PEOPLE on this BLOG are BEING PAID to spew HATRED.
What does that say about KYLE and what does that say about the AJC?
Jay Mann
March 25th, 2012
11:20 am
OK on the 25% higher tax rate – just make sure that Mitt Romney and all the other “portfolio managers” pay that full 25% – the labor of portfolio management should be paying just as much as the labor of the working class!!! Do this first, get rid of the “Bush tax cuts” of course either by their expiration on Dec 31,2012, or using this new tax bill. Then cut military/military industrial complex budgets FIRST and other government programs that cannot justify their current funding levels. Only as a last resort, burden the poor and working classes with cuts to the programs they have been promised for their lifetimes and have paid into for their lifetimes! This approach is the ONLY fair and equtable way to get control of the Federal deficits and begin to again pay down the DEBT. You young working people, I see you all the time at Lowes, the grocery store, Walmart, etc.- think about it, if SS and Medicare are allowed to be destroyed, what will you survive on when you reach 65 or 70 or 75? You can’t set aside anything from your check for investments because it takes everything to live on from day to day. Wise up, the wealthy have been getting ALL the breaks from Washington. Don’t believe the Crap that they are getting the shaft and paying too much! They use everything this country has contributed to make their billions – they use you, your education, your skills, our infrastructure, our military to protec them, and on and on!!! They should pay at least the full 25% and NOT be allowed to hide their wealth earned here in foreign banks [ask Romney about his foreign accounts]. Hes a liar and cheat. How did he purchase a company for Bane for $5M, cook the books and then sell the same company for $100M???? Only a liar and cheat could have pulled this off. How prowd is he of this purchase/sell? Someone should be asking for the FULL details!!
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March 25th, 2012
11:20 am
@dean
March 25th, 2012
10:51 am
You conservitives better be careful what ya’ll wish for…..the south get more government welfare then any other part of the country…………..everyone doesn’t want to live in a trailer and drive a 1966 pickup
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“everyone doesn’t want to live in a trailer and drive a 1966 pickup ”
Touche’
Else
March 25th, 2012
11:46 am
While you repubs are showing us your economic acumen, please explain why the bush wars were un-funded?
Linda
March 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Mr. WANTED@11:17, I did not confirm that I was being paid. I asked you a question. You do know the difference between a statement & a question, don’t you? When have I spewed HATRED, Mr. Capital letters? The truth is that neither Kyle nor the AJC can afford me.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
11:55 am
Else: “…please explain why the bush wars were un-funded?”
Helps balance phony budgets.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
12:05 pm
Jay Mann@11:20, Seems like you are confused with the difference between marginal income taxes on INCOME & capital gains taxes on SALES of investments.
The upper tax brackets under the Bush/Obama tax cuts are HIGHER than Ryan’s top bracket of 25%.
If the military budgets are cut, how do we continue to use oil from the Middle East?
How have the poor paid into programs for their lifetimes?
How much more do the working class receive from programs than they paid into those programs?
The Democrats are destroying SS & Medicare by denying the problems.
Young people will survive just like all other prudent people, especially the self-employed. Don’t undermine young people & believe that they will be dependent on the govt. The fed. govt. will be bankrupt by the time they reach retirement age.
The wealthy don’t pay taxes on their wealth. High income earners pay the majority of taxes.
Abiding by the US tax code is not cheating.
AU Liberal in ATL
March 25th, 2012
12:08 pm
I can’t believe you actually get paid for your “thoughts”.
On another point, I’d bet my bottom dollar that the Louisiana (pretend it’s Obama) woman identifies herself as a Christian. Ah Christian conservatives, doing more harm to the cause of Christianity than any Muslim, Buddhist, atheist, homosexual or bleeding heart liberal could ever do.
Ima Crooked Pol
March 25th, 2012
12:16 pm
Lobbyist crooks pay off political crooks for more of the same!
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-government/wheeler-dealers-efforts-pay-1397380.html
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March 25th, 2012
12:20 pm
@Linda
March 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Mr. WANTED@11:17, I did not confirm that I was being paid. I asked you a question. You do know the difference between a statement & a question, don’t you? When have I spewed HATRED, Mr. Capital letters? The truth is that neither Kyle nor the AJC can afford me.
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DONT try to WALK IT BACK NOW.
The cat is out of the bag.
Dirty Dawg
March 25th, 2012
12:38 pm
I still say that you, Kyle, don’t really believe all this crap that you support and are doing it just for the money…of course I could be wrong, which is even worse to think about since it would mean you truly do believe and that’s really scary.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
12:42 pm
-Thousands of career scientists worldwide stake their professional lives on the facts of global warming? A Conspiracy!
-Liberal/Socialists/Marxists/Commie/Pinkos with a grand plan to erode core American values over several years? A Conspiracy!
-Lugo tribesman/colonial boy given peculiar name, slipped into American w/o a birth certificate, then elected US President? A Conspiracy!
-GA legislature passes complex tax code changes in 3 days at end of session, by overwhelming margins and with no public discussion? What Conspiracy?
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
12:45 pm
52: “The cat is out of the bag.”
Artful.
lefty_316
March 25th, 2012
12:57 pm
Lil Barry, I am not a democrat and have never voted for a democrat in my life. I was a republican for 22 years before the party was destoyed by the religious right; since then I’ve been an independent. I may rejoin the GOP at some point but only if it becomes the party of fiscal conservatism once again and gets out of the religion business.
I see you’re against paying for birth control and abortion. Well tell me then …..say taxpayers quit funding Planned Parenthood. PP spends 40% of their annual budget providing birth contol to women who can’t afford to pay for it themselves. So….no birth control, no abortion….are you prepared to pay higher taxes to support the explosion in welfare assistance requests that will bring? Do you know such a policy is called? Fiscal liberalism.
And don’t give me the “we need to get back to the morality of the old days, abstinence until marriage” speech either.
Fact: The Constitutional Convention was held in 1787.
Fact: 45% of American women were pregnant when they married in 1787.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
1:02 pm
Lefty: “no birth control, no abortion….are you prepared to pay higher taxes to support the explosion in welfare assistance requests that will bring?”
It’s a taxing concept to grasp, isn’t it?
gm
March 25th, 2012
1:20 pm
But if you have children, grandchildren or just expectations of living more than another 10 years or so, you must know runaway
Amazing how the hypocrites on the right care about their grand children, now that Obama is spending money on Americans, but were silent when Bush was spending out of control especially in Iraq.
Were was the Ryan budget when Bush was in office for 8 years? Obama has brought this country back from life support, now we have all these monday morning quarterbacks.
Chris Sanchez
March 25th, 2012
1:27 pm
Spending, spending, spending! When will liberal realize that SPENDING is the problem? Our government takes in over $2 TRILLION in tax revenues for goodness sake. It is most certainly NOT a revenue problem this country faces. Allowing politicians of BOTH parties to continue to purchase re-election via the public purse is the problem. Before we are going to find meaningful cuts in spending, term limits will have to be enacted via Constitutional Amendment. Limit the amount of time these pols may spend in Washington DC and maybe, just maybe, we have a chance of enacting meaningful reforms to the spending habits in Washington. If we don’t, the rest of the world will when they finally refuse to purchase US government-issued debt.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
1:42 pm
Else@11:46, I think the families of all those who died on 9/11 would take offense to your question. There were no Bush wars. The Afghanistan war had bipartisan support in congress.
The Iraq was also had bipartisan support. Would you like to watch a video of the Democrats?
The Libya “not” war was Obama’s war. Congress learned about it from TV.
The economic stimulus bill was passed less than 3 weeks after Obama was inaugurated. Only 3 Rep. Senators voted for it, one of who later switched parties. At the time it was passed, the cost of both wars was about the same cost of this one bill, the largest spending bill in the history of the world, a bill that was a complete failure.
To answer your question, the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq were paid for the same way as the economic stimulus bill.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
1:47 pm
Mr. WANTED@12:20, PETA is looking for you for cruelty to animals. BTW, that’s a statement, not a question.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
1:57 pm
Linda: “To answer your question, the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq were paid for the same way as the economic stimulus bill.”
Actually, no. The point being made is that neither the Iraq nor Afghanistan wars were part of the annual budget process. For eight years, they were funded by “Emergency Appropriations”, a disingenuous accounting stunt that sought to conceal the actual yearly deficits of the Bush administration.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
1:58 pm
lefty_316@12:57, How many young women do you think there are in the US today who can not afford birth control pills for $9 per month? Only young women who do not want children?
Women volunteered for Komen & walked for miles with bleeding feet, unaware that funds were going to PP. How many women will die from breast cancer with fewer volunteers, fewer donations & funds being used for abortions rather than research?
Linda
March 25th, 2012
2:14 pm
Just@1:57, Many people don’t even know the difference between deficits & debt. Democrats keep harping about Clinton’s budget surpluses without realizing that every year he was in office, the national debt increased. Budgets are only blueprints, guidelines. Once the fiscal year is over, they are history.
The wars & the economic stimulus bill were paid for the same way, by borrowing, by adding the costs to the national debt.
There were no Bush stunts. Budgets are passed by both houses & there was a Democratic congress during the last 2 years of Bush. At least there were budgets back then. The Democratic Senate hasn’t even passed a budget in over THREE years! Obama’s budget last years was voted down in the Senate 0-97 & Reid is afraid to bring Obama’s ‘13 budget to a vote.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
2:23 pm
Just saying..: Ford at $1.61 and Apple at $73 worked well enough.
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Not a sure thing though, like that eeeeeevil oil speculatin’ that the libtards know nothing about.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
2:26 pm
lefty_316: I see you’re against paying for birth control and abortion…are you prepared to pay higher taxes to support the explosion in welfare assistance requests that will bring?
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Of course not. The people who make those poor decisions should bear the consequences.
We’ve discovered what causes pregnancy, it’s no longer a mystery. If you can’t afford a baby or don’t wish to have one, then don’t.
Libatards: Think their bad decisions are everyone else’s problem. Losers.
Maurice
March 25th, 2012
2:29 pm
We have both a spending problem and a revenue problem. Both sides having to recognize that you can’t ‘cut cut cut’ to a solution or that taxing the highest 10% more is going to fix it. Even conservative economist say that taxes are going to have to increase and spending cuts are going to have to be made.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
2:38 pm
gm@1:20, Obama “brought this country back from life support?” Name one thing that Obama has done that is an improvement since he was inaugurated! Unemployment is worse. He’s added $5 TRILLION to the national debt. Gas prices have doubled. We are about to see the second country obtain nuclear weapons on his watch. He’s alienated England, Israel, the Jews, the Catholic Church, Christians, women, over half of the states, the youth. etc. If I was a young black male, I would join the Tea Party.
Just saying..
March 25th, 2012
2:44 pm
Linda: “There were no Bush stunts.”
Let’s disagree there.
“The wars & the economic stimulus bill were paid for the same way, by borrowing, by adding the costs to the national debt.”
As was Medicare Part B.
And Ryan’s plan, eliminating deductions such as mortgage interest and charitable contributions, is a start on reducing that debt. And for providing a wake-up call that there’s going to be unexpected pain.
Now with Ten Percent More Flavor
March 25th, 2012
2:46 pm
Paul Ryan’s plan is to charge an 18% consumption tax on vaseline that the poor and middle class will be needing. There’ll be enough excess tax revenues from that to give his wealthiest supporters all their past taxes back and still double the DoD budget.
Chris Salzmann
March 25th, 2012
3:12 pm
Kyle, you have to be kidding me. Ryan’s “budget” basically destroys education (student loans), and cuts spending on those folks who can least afford it. Plus, tax cuts for the folks who least need it! Please tell me when tax cuts on the rich helped the economy grow? This is the same tired economic plan that has failed to deliver again and again. Here’s my proposal: lets go back to the tax structure of the 1950’s and 60’s when the rich were taxed at 90% of their income above a certain level PLUS add a value added tax (VAT) which every other industrialized country has. We also need to cut defense spending (we currently spend more than the entire world COMBINED). You cannot cut down the deficit by a combination of spending cuts on the folks who can least afford them and on tax cuts on the folks who least need them!!! That’s just complete baloney!
Linda
March 25th, 2012
3:14 pm
Just@2:44, I can’t even remember budgets from years ago. I go by debt. If there were Bush stunts with his budgets, there were Clinton stunts with his budgets. Debt has been added to the debt every year for decades.
Medicare Part B is not added to the national debt. It’s considered an unfunded liability such as social security & Medicare.
No, Ryan’s plan is not a start on reducing the debt. It’s a start on reducing deficits. The debt will continue to increase for years to come.
In my humble opinion, the only way to pay off the natl. debt is through energy independence.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
3:17 pm
Chris Salzmann: Please tell me when tax cuts on the rich helped the economy grow?
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In the early ’60s, when Kennedy cut the capital gains rate.
In the 80’s when our President Reagan dropped the top rate, resulting in two decades of nearly uninterrupted growth.
And again in 2003, when our President Bush’s tax cuts increased revenue, grew the economy, and kept unemployment well below Obozo’s disastrous levels.
Chris Salzmann
March 25th, 2012
3:26 pm
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Linda, you must live on the same planet Fox News lives on.
1) Let’s see, the unemployment rate when Obama became President was growing exponentially due to the financial meltdown and recession that started under Bush. When did the recession start? Early 2008! Who was President then?
2) He added $5Trillion to the deficit to stave off an economic DEPRESSION! Or would you have preferred that??? In fact, the vast majority of economists say he didn’t spend ENOUGH!
3) Gas prices have doubled but presidents do not control that. That’s a fact!
4) 2nd Country going nuclear under his watch??? What are you smoking??? Korea went nuclear in 2006. Who was president then?
5) As far as the rest of your rant is concerned, Obama maintains high popularity ratings among Jews in this country, among the youth, minorities and among women in particular. The last two are especially true since Republicans declared war on minorities (black and hispanic) and women’s rights.
Your rant is a classic example of the misinformed. The part about Obama letting a 2nd country go nuclear under his watch is classic. Where do you get your “facts” from???
Chris Salzmann
March 25th, 2012
3:28 pm
Hey LiL Barry, since Reagan cut taxes, the deficit has also been growing exponentially. In fact, Reagan is called the father of deficit spending for a reason. One reason why the gap between the rich and poor started growing with Reagan, reversed slightly under Clinton and grew with a vengeance under Bush.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
3:32 pm
Maurice@2:29, Revenues need to increase but not necessarily through taxes.
A survey of economists ranked Milton Friedman & John Maynard Keynes as the most popular economists of the twentieth century. The Economist described Friedman as “the most influential economist of the second half of the 20th century…possibly of all of it.”
Obama has been following a pseudo philosophy of Keynesian economics on spending. (????)
Both economists were opposed to raising taxes. Keynes said,
…to create wealth will increase the national income and that a large proportion of any increase in the national income will accrue to an Exchequer, amongst whose largest outgoings is the payment of incomes to those who are unemployed and whose receipts are a proportion of the incomes of those who are occupied…
Nor should the argument seem strange that taxation may be so high as to defeat its object, and that, given sufficient time to gather the fruits, a reduction of taxation will run a better chance than an increase of balancing the budget. For to take the opposite view today is to resemble a manufacturer who, running at a loss, decides to raise his price, and when his declining sales increase the loss, wrapping himself in the rectitude of plain arithmetic, decides that prudence requires him to raise the price still more—and who, when at last his account is balanced with nought on both sides, is still found righteously declaring that it would have been the act of a gambler to reduce the price when you were already making a loss.”
http://motorcitytimes.com/mct/2011/01/john-maynard-keynes-i-was-for-the-laffer-curve-before-i-was-against-it/
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
3:43 pm
Chris Salzmann: Hey LiL Barry, since Reagan cut taxes, the deficit has also been growing exponentially.
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Especially since your Idiot Klown took office in 2009. By the end of his four-year regime, Obozo will have added to the debt almost as much as our President Reagan and our President Bush combined.
What is Obozo doing about his exponential debt growth?
Fail.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 25th, 2012
3:48 pm
Anyone who says the Republican presidential nomination is over hasn’t looked at the remaining schedule of primaries-
April 3: Texas, Wisconsin
April 24: Pennsylvania
May 8: Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia
May 15: Nebraska, Oregon
May 22: Arkansas, Kentucky
June 5: Montana, New Mexico, South Dakota
June 26: Utah
Decent and moral citizenry all.
Sure, Romney probably has KKKalifornia locked up but what difference will that make in November?
Linda
March 25th, 2012
4:21 pm
Chris@3:12,
*student loans: fed. govt. is broke
*tax cuts for the rich: Taxes aren’t based on wealth. Taxes are based on income. Rich people don’t necessarily make high incomes or any incomes. High income people aren’t necessarily rich.
*tax structure of 50’s & 60’s when the rich (high income earners) were taxed @ 90%: You did not read Kyle’s article, which states, “…tax revenues during the past 60 years, regardless of tax rates…have averaged 18% of GDP.” I cited proof with a graph from the White House Office of Management & Budget yesterday on this blog @ 3:43.
*cut defense spending: TRILLIONS for which is protecting our interests in the Middle East because we are too stupid to drill our own oil
@3:26,*Gentlemen don’t try to insult ladies. Only liberals are that crude.
* FOX News: I was betrayed by the corrupt media for over 50 years.
*The unemployment rate has been higher every single month for over 3 years under Obama than it was any single month for over 8 years under Bush.
*The economic stimulus bill of almost a TRILLION dollars was a Democratic celebration. There is absolutely nothing to show for $5 TRILLION of debt except for a credit downgrade.
*I’ve listed on this blog over a dozen ways that Obama has personally caused gas prices to double & quoted his adm.for his intentions to double them. He’s halfway there.
*N. Korea went nuclear in 2009.
*The polls in 1980 in Jan. was Carter 62%, Reagan 33%, Feb. was Carter 60%, Reagan 31% & in Mar. was Carter 58%, Reagan 33%.
*Liberal rhetoric. Obama trashed the constitution by dishonoring religious rights & insulted women by trying to bribe them for votes for $9 per month.
*I obtain my facts from Al Gore’s internet.
Dusty
March 25th, 2012
4:30 pm
Not to worry your lil’ ol’ heads here. Kyle said it all in his closing sentence.
“There is no greater issue for the country than getting control of Uncle Sam’s finances and no starker contrast with what Obama proposes to do if re-elected.”
Keep up the good work, Kyle. Keep the danger signs posted.
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March 25th, 2012
4:56 pm
@Linda
March 25th, 2012
2:38 pm
If I was a young black male, I would join the Tea Party
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Young black males have enough to deal with without joining a hate group where
they would have to watch their back.
Plus young black males don’t wear white hoods with long robes..
A Tea Party is for little girls with IMAGINARY FRIENDS.
Tea Party? WHITE WHINE is more like it.
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March 25th, 2012
5:01 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
3:43 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
March 25th, 2012
3:48 pm
@Linda
March 25th, 2012
2:38 pm
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Since you are so ANGRY at Obama, why don’t all of you LEAVE America and START
your own country.
Better yet, RUN FOR PRESIDENT if you QUALIFY.
Chris Salzmann
March 25th, 2012
5:32 pm
Linda@4:21 *N. Korea went nuclear in 2009.
FACT: The 2006 North Korean nuclear test was the detonation of a nuclear device conducted on October 9, 2006 by North Korea.
Look it up Linda. Go ahead. Be my guest. The North Korean Nuclear Test took place in 2006. It’s all over the “internets”. If you cannot admit to such a simple FACT then how the heck can anyone take seriously anything you write here. Are you kidding me???
I won’t even bother arguing the rest with you if you cannot even get simple VERIFIABLE FACTS straight.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
5:35 pm
Mr. WANTED@4:56, What is it that is more important for black male youth to have to deal with than school & unemployment? According to the Dept. of Labor, unemployment for black male youth (16-19 yrs. old) reached a peak in 11/09 of 49.1% & was still at 38.5% in 1/12. They should be mad as hell at Obama.
The Tea Party is nothing more than a fiscally conservative group. Anyone who wants to keep our country from going bankrupt should participate. Anyone who is against this objective is not a patriot. Black youth would only need to watch their backs to prevent soccer moms from scratching them.
@5:01, THIS is OUR country. We want it back. We don’t want it “transformed” to European socialism.
Rafe Hollister
March 25th, 2012
5:44 pm
Wanted
Tell the truth here, didn’t you used to post as the Trash Man Superstar? If not you guys went to school together. Why did you change your name?
Linda
March 25th, 2012
5:45 pm
Chris@5:32, I made 13 points & you could only find one to harp about. There was an earthquake detected in N. Korea in ‘06. It was in ‘09 that N. Korea was declared to have nuclear weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
If you won’t quote alphabet corrupt media sources, I won’t quote conservative sources. Good luck.
Rafe Hollister
March 25th, 2012
5:55 pm
Linda @4:21 nice post. Copy and paste it here on every page as most of these libs never read the prior comments, they just jump in and start whining about Fox news, Bush, tax cuts for the rich, raising taxes, Ryan wanting to cut their free stuff, and unfunded wars.
I no longer wonder why so many people get themselves in such personal debt, I now understand they run their household budgets much like they want to run America’s budget. No self control and lots of impulse buying. When you give people things it never satisfies them for long, like a toddler, then they want something else free.
MarkV
March 25th, 2012
6:20 pm
Dusty @ 4:30 pm
Nothing more pointed than that? You must be in a very mellow mood.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
6:25 pm
Rafe@5:55, My father taught me that interest was a thing that was EARNED, not PAID. He never paid a cent of interest in his life & he lived over 80 year. He also taught me that if I didn’t have the cash to buy something, that I had no business with it. Of course, I’ve bought real estate with mortgages, but I have always paid cash for cars, etc.
One of my first savings accounts as an adult was with Decatur Federal. I kept up with my “debt” I owned them to the penny. When money was tight, my church’s 10% was foremost & my 10% to Decatur Federal was second.
The reckless spending by the fed. govt. makes fiscal conservatives like me cry & makes social conservatives like me try to understand why God can settle for 10% & fed., state & local govt. can’t get by on 50% & people like this guy thinks we need taxes at way over 100%.
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March 25th, 2012
7:13 pm
@Linda
March 25th, 2012
6:25 pm
Rafe@5:55,Linda
March 25th, 2012
6:25 pm
When money was tight, my church’s 10% was foremost
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READING your bible should also have been a PRIORITY as well.
Eight times in the Bible we are told to love our neighbor — one of the Bible’s most repeated commands.
Big D
March 25th, 2012
7:15 pm
The so called Bush tax cuts are now the Obama tax cuts. The “Bush”tax cuts resulted in deficits in the neighborhood of 300 billion per year while the “Obama” tax cuts result in more than 1.2 trillion dollars per year. The Democrats want even more spending which is their reason for more tax revenue. How many times has the federal governement increased taxes? Dozens? Hundreds? I don’t know but I know this, if tax increases decreased natonal deby, we wouldn’t have a national debt. One things is clear, to reduce debt we must reduce spending, period. Giving the governemnt more money will not do it.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 25th, 2012
7:28 pm
“Eight times in the Bible we are told to love our neighbor — one of the Bible’s most repeated commands.”
Perhaps you should read up on the definition of “love” vs. “support” when trying to use the Bible to make government policy, IQ.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
7:31 pm
Mr. WANTED, AKA TRASH MAN SUPERSTAR & AKA MR. ALL CAPS@7:13, Bible is capitalized, Sir. I love you as a neighbor. What’s next?
tiredofIT
March 25th, 2012
7:35 pm
Linda, you seemed to have missed the most important part of my sentence; “unfunded”
Dusty
March 25th, 2012
7:42 pm
MarkV 6:20
Yes, mellow might be the word. Just don’t feel like making a big fuss on such a nice day. The weather is great and the trees are beautiful. Just wonder why I haven’t seen many birds.
Have you had any feathered friends drop by? Bird feeder? Seems like my little friends are not hungry and don’t need a bath. Now that’s not nice!!.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
7:55 pm
tiredofiT@7:35, You need to do what I just did, reference your comment with a time. I have no idea what you are referencing. There’s now 6 pages of comments. I will be glad to answer you.
MarkV
March 25th, 2012
8:21 pm
Dusty,
We have bluebirds nesting now, three eggs in one bridhouse, not sure about the other one. One male was using the bath today, several cardinals.
Night.
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March 25th, 2012
8:42 pm
@Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 25th, 2012
7:28 pm
“Eight times in the Bible we are told to love our neighbor — one of the Bible’s most repeated commands.”
Perhaps you should read up on the definition of “love” vs. “support” when trying to use the Bible to make government policy, IQ.
@.Linda
March 25th, 2012
7:31 pm
Mr. WANTED, AKA TRASH MAN SUPERSTAR & AKA MR. ALL CAPS@7:13, Bible is capitalized, Sir. I love you as a neighbor. What’s next?
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Matthew 7:5
You hypocrites, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
8:58 pm
Mr. WANTED@8:42, All of a sudden, you seem to be a Biblical scholar, after you have called us rabid conservatives, expressed that you are envious of others (against the Ten Commandments), are undoubtedly a racist & put your cat in a bag. Did you go to Sunday School &/or church this morning? WHO is the hypocrite, MR. ALL CAPS?
Steve
March 25th, 2012
9:03 pm
The GOP starved government while spending like fools (Wars, Medicare Part b)…then deregulated the mortage industry to the point where it became so corrupt it pushed the economy in the great recession.
Now, you blame Obama for slowly digging ourselves out of this GOP led hole.
Freaking ridiculous. You people on the “right’ should be ashamed at your idiocy and idiotic posts. This forum reads like a KKK klan meeting, at best.
lefty_316
March 25th, 2012
9:05 pm
Lil Barry:
If they can’t afford to have a baby then don’t…..you’ve hit the nail on the head! Let’s help them out to the tune of $9 a month for the birth contol they can’t afford instead of adopting the policies of the religious right and committing to …..I don’t know, $200 perhaps, the monthly cost to taxpayers for 18 years to help them raise their child.
And let’s stop dishonoring our core Founding Fathers and the founding generaton by attempting to legislate religion. They were Enlightenment thinkers who valued science and reason and placed a low premium on religion. Did they think the New Testament was word-for-word true? Not Ben Franklin, he was a Deist. Not James Madison, he was agnostic. Nor Jefferson, who wrote that the New Testament, in his opinion, was a product of “inferior minds” and parts of it were so outlandish, so divorced from reality they ought to be considered “dung.” John Adams? No, he was a Unitarian. George Washington? According to his pastor William White Washington “never took communion, usually left the service early and never gave any indication that he was a believer.”
Let’s put an end to the dishonesty about our Founders and the idea that America was always intended to be a Christian nation.
lefty_316
March 25th, 2012
9:23 pm
Linda you asked how many women can’t afford $9 a month for birth contol. I don’t know the answer to that but apparently it is in the millions.
The Planned Parenthood annual budget breaks down as follows: 40% for breast cancer screening and other preventative measures, 40% for birth control for the indigent, 10% for miscellaneous and 10% for abortion services, The money for abortion services all comes from private donations. The states match $1 for every $9 the federal goverment contributes to PP.
Last week the state of Texas passed legislation that, due to a technicality, will assure PP in Texas no longer receives federal money. 130,000 women will be effected.
Don Abernethy
March 25th, 2012
9:27 pm
The people of this country are very greedy. No one is willing to sacrifice for the country as far as money is concerned.
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March 25th, 2012
9:36 pm
I guess if the tenets of Christianity aren’t your cup of tea then you gravitate directly to socialism becoming followers of Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin, some of the human “greats” of history.
Notice how all these left wing lunatics always believe in the power of the state, same as Hitler did?
If you can name one marxist that ever uttered the words “Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness,” outside of an election campaign, of course, I’ll become one.
That’s what I thought, looks like I get to stay with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, same as our Founders did.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
9:38 pm
Steve@9:03, Obama appointed a commission to study the financial crisis. They could not agree. The Democrats came up with their own blame game, not taking any responsibility. The Republicans came up with theirs. Here is the Republican side of what happened. The world wide financial crisis began in the 90’s & was predicted by the NYT in ‘99. Read it beginning at the bottom of page 1.
You are brainwashed by the corrupt media.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:VW02a4CHUUYJ:keithhennessey.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Financial-Crisis-Primer.pdf+financial+crisis+inquiry+Republican+report&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShbm8pIt3RiNDfoUl1U51dQXAybDuNLgocyT_S9iyZ0-xFymZfjVs26d1NQLrohH0dScUxomjD0L5kKOXx39Zd8pjUDp5PLUMDekFdb7v3xL6Z1N0mJeWZ-UL0U1ogROed3uv2w&sig=AHIEtbTLPLB7A-mykCQoUFX5hjgNUnxJVg
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 25th, 2012
9:39 pm
lefty: Let’s help them out to the tune of $9 a month for the birth contol they can’t afford
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If they can’t afford $9 a month for birth control, they certainly can’t support a baby. So why are they having unprotected sex? Seems really irresponsible.
Sloth, stupidity, and irresponsibility do not entitle anyone to another’s property.
Lefty, how much did you donate to charity last year to provide free contraception to the slothful?
Didn’t think so.
waterstim
March 25th, 2012
9:55 pm
How do Democrats live in such a broken fantasy world. IT WILL NOT LAST. THE DEMISE OF AMERICA IS COMING. The Democrats in the Senate haven’t even had a budget in three years for goodness sake. How can you possible defend that?
Linda
March 25th, 2012
10:01 pm
left-316@9:05, My husband & I discovered that we had been deceived by the corrupt ABC media for over 50 years. One day, you will discover that your education was also deceitful. Not only were our Founding Fathers religious but so were our Pilgrims. They left a message for you at Plymouth Rock. What was it?
@9:23, You just don’t want to answer my question. The answer is that there are no women who can’t afford birth control pills for $9 per month. I do not for a moment believe the breakdown of the budget for PP, nor does it guarantee that taxpayer dollars are not used for abortions. PP was founded by a woman for eugenics, the destruction of the black race. The very name of the institution reveals that it does NOT specialize in anything other than abortion.
Taxpayer dollars should not fund abortions. Taxpayer dollars should not go to institutions who perform abortions. Taxpayer dollars should not go to institutions whose primary business is to wipe out the black race.
Linda
March 25th, 2012
10:23 pm
Regardless of Kyle’s article tomorrow, I will be here to hash out our differences. May God bless all Kyle’s contributors.
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March 25th, 2012
11:06 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
March 25th, 2012
9:36 pm
I guess if the tenets of Christianity aren’t your cup of tea then you gravitate directly to socialism becoming followers of Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin, some of the human “greats” of history.
Notice how all these left wing lunatics always believe in the power of the state, same as Hitler did?
If you can name one marxist that ever uttered the words “Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness,” outside of an election campaign, of course, I’ll become one.
That’s what I thought, looks like I get to stay with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, same as our Founders did.
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Matthew 7:21 – 23
“Not EVERYONE who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only HE WHO does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. AWAY FROM ME, YOU EVILDOERS!’
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March 25th, 2012
11:13 pm
@Linda
March 25th, 2012
10:23 pm
Regardless of Kyle’s article tomorrow, I will be here to hash out our differences. May God bless all Kyle’s contributors.
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Et tu, LINDA
Matthew 7:21 – 23
“Not EVERYONE who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only HE WHO does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. AWAY FROM ME, YOU EVILDOERS!’
lefty_316
March 25th, 2012
11:38 pm
Lil Barry you asked the sloth, stupidity and irresponsibility of the indigent.
I’m interested in practial solutions, not the corrupt idiology of the religious right. That why I’m happy to have some of my tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood every year to pay for birth control for the indigent.
Your attitude toward the less fortunate does not reflect or resemble that taught by Jesus in any way whatsoever. I think your claims of being a Christian are dubious at best.
Ron
March 25th, 2012
11:47 pm
Linda, get a life. Move away from your computer, look around you. There is more to life than “working” this blog as much as you do.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
1:14 am
“That why I’m happy to have some of my tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood every year to pay for birth control for the indigent.”
Fine, lefty. Then donate to them on your own hook, but don’t force me to do the same if I don’t want to.
lefty_316
March 26th, 2012
1:16 am
Linda neither you of us get our history from ABC News; in fact I do not watch ABC News, ever. My education of US history between 1770 and 1810 comes from the 150 or so books I’ve read on the topic, books by genuine degreed historians, many of which I’ve had to requisition from the dusty archives of college libraries around the country. As I mentioned earlier Jefferson, for starters, was not a Chrstian:
“The whole history of these the Gospels is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
lefty_316
March 26th, 2012
1:22 am
Linda let’s move onto Deist the Ben Franklin:
“I believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His providence. That He ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render Him is doing good to His other children. As to Jesus of Nazareth, I think the system of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity.” Ben Franklin, in a letter to Ezra Styles.
lefty_316
March 26th, 2012
1:26 am
Founding Father James Madison:
“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.” James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, 1775.
lefty_316
March 26th, 2012
1:28 am
Founding Father George Washington:
“I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country.” George Washington, 1789.
lefty_316
March 26th, 2012
1:31 am
Founding Father Alexander Hamilton:
“In politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.” Alexander Hamilton, 1784.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
1:36 am
Maybe if lefty_316 would stop trying to deflect from the original issue that brought him / her into the conversation; that being whether Planned Parenthood should be getting tax dollars from government to fund their objectives, and focus his / her extensive historical knowledge on the Founding Father’s designed role of a limited Federal government, he / she would realize that they really don’t have a single Constitutional leg to stand on regarding this issue.
Doesn’t matter what Jesus would do – we’re not a theocracy.
Doesn’t matter what lefty_316 wants to do with his tax dollars – just don’t take them from me.
lefty_316
March 26th, 2012
1:37 am
And finally John Adams:
“Adams was raised a Congregationalist, but ultimately rejected many fundamental doctrines of conventional Christianity, such as the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, becoming a Unitarian. Adams’ view of religion overall was rather ambivalent: He recognized the abuses, large and small, that religious belief lends itself to, but he also believed that religion could be a force for good in individual lives and in society at large. His extensive reading (especially in the classics), led him to believe that this view applied not only to Christianity, but to all religions.” Biography, Signers of the Declaration of Independence, 1848.
lefty_316
March 26th, 2012
1:47 am
Tiberius I would rather my tax dollars not go to any social programs. I would like to see them go to a small, limited government. I am an old school Goldwater coservative – small government, fiscal restraint, individual liberty.
But I live in the real world. I would rather have my tax dollars go to birth control for the poor instead of to raise their children. It’s a simple matter of economics.
Actually I’d like to see a policy that would strictly forbid any family or single woman who is receiving any type of taxpayer assistance – welfare, Medicaid, food stamps, assisted housing, etc – strictly prohibited from having additional children. If they can’t feed their current family then adding another mouth to feed won’t solve the problem. But there are Constitutional hurdles involved there I’m afraid.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
1:50 am
There are no Constitutional issues in denying tax dollars to anyone for an inability to take care of themselves.
Maybe if they knew there was no safety net available for them, their bad behavior would soon stop.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 26th, 2012
6:13 am
leftythink lefty: I think your claims of being a Christian are dubious at best.
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Link please.
Calista scares me
March 26th, 2012
7:37 am
Ryan is influenced by the lobby of ALEC, which has written the laws for our congress and states for years now. They provide a template and have the people we elect fill in the blanks and then try to sell it. Legislation by the Corporation, for the Corporation……..
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
9:10 am
“Ryan is influenced by the lobby of ALEC, which has written the laws for our congress and states for years now.”
Wow! A legislator influenced by a lobby! Never would have guessed THAT!
Do you have the same angst regarding unions having bought and paid for the Democrat party, Callista scares me?
HDB
March 26th, 2012
9:47 am
The problem I see with Ryan’s budget is that it desires to take FROM those who can afford it LEAST, stymies the possibilites of growth, shreds the safety net, and creates a more Darwinian society. If you cut education, infrastructure and healthcare (Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security) and pander to the wealthy by giving them a tax cut, no one prospers.
What, IMHO, needs to be done is a two-year freeze of the federal budget and a cost/benefit analysis done by the CBO to see where the budget can be effectively cut, where revenue increases are needed, and enact the same. Yes, the federal budget needs to be trimmed…but sacrificing the poor so that they wealthy gain isn’t what this nation is about!!!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
10:08 am
“The problem I see with Ryan’s budget is that it desires to take FROM those who can afford it LEAST, stymies the possibilites of growth, shreds the safety net, and creates a more Darwinian society. If you cut education, infrastructure and healthcare (Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security) and pander to the wealthy by giving them a tax cut, no one prospers.”
HDB, try reading Ryan’s proposal, rather than relying on the DNC talking points about it.
“and creates a more Darwinian society.”
Who would have a thought it; a liberal who doesn’t believe in science . . .
lefty_316
March 26th, 2012
10:14 am
Lil’ Barry thank you for calling my Christianity into doubt. That was very well done on your part.
The Supremes will start hearing the healthcare case today. I’m ambivalent about the indivdual mandate but strongly oppose the addition of 11 million Americans to the Medicaid rolls. That is not the direction we need to go as a country, entitlement programs have to be cut. One of these days Congress is going to have to grow a spine and take on Social Security and Medicare.
The heathcare bill has been a spotlight hog as well. Dodd-Frank, which was a truly awful piece of legislation, did not get its deserved attention. All it would have taken was two quick steps to assure a housing collapse does not happen again: 1) require any potential home buyer to put down 15% of the purchase price upon signing and 2) require the lending institution to maintain ownership of at least 25% of the loan for the duration. But instead Congress came up with this convoluted piece of garbage that does nothing to prevent a repeat of the housing crash and also put a big hurt on small banks, regardless of how conservative those banks loan portfolios may have been.
Of course it would be naive to think the banks didn’t send their lobbyist to Washington with large checks to be used as “campaign contributions” to the members of the Frank-Dodd committee, regardless of political stripes. I recall last fall, after the AT&T merger with T-Mobile was rejected, AT&T put out a statement on the situation the following day. In the statement they disclosed that they had made over $900,000 in “campaign contributions” in an effort to get the merger through. And therein lies the root of the problem.
Jefferson
March 26th, 2012
10:17 am
Ryan’s plan will not go anywhere.
HDB
March 26th, 2012
10:44 am
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
10:08 am
I DID read it…twice!! By making Medicare a voucher program, it’ll effectively eliminate it…thereby shredding the safety net….
….and I do believe in science…Darwin’s theories of evolution were required reading for me when I took biology in school…..
HDB
March 26th, 2012
10:47 am
Tiberius…..and from Ryan’s plan:
•Provides transparency in health care price and quality data, making this critical information readily available before someone needs health services.
•Creates state-based health care exchanges, so individuals and families have a one-stop marketplace to purchase affordable health insurance without being discriminated against based on pre-existing conditions.
•Equips states with tools like auto-enrollment programs and high-risk pools, so affordable health coverage can be accessed by all.
……sounds like what OBAMACARE is………
HDB
March 26th, 2012
10:52 am
….and for those who thinks Ryan’s plan is fiscally sane:
…from the plan itself:
•It preserves the existing Medicare program for those currently enrolled or becoming eligible in the next 10 years (those 55 and older today) – So Americans can receive the benefits they planned for throughout their working lives. For those currently under 55 – as they become Medicare-eligible – it creates a Medicare payment, initially averaging $11,000, to be used to purchase a Medicare certified plan. The payment is adjusted to reflect medical inflation, and pegged to income, with low-income individuals receiving greater support. The plan also provides risk adjustment, so those with greater medical needs receive a higher payment.
Question: where is someone 55 or over going to be able to purchase health insurance for $11,000 that covers what will be required for an aging population?? This will place all but the wealthy into bankruptcy…particularly those suffering from Alzheimers’. The preponderance of assisted living centers cost over $4K/monthly….and forces the divestiture of assets to cover said illness….therefore, no estate can be passed to heirs…….
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
10:56 am
So I guess you believe that government can circumvent the laws of nature by providing a less Darwinian society, HDB? Should government be THAT powerful that natural law is overturned?
And Ryan’s plan does EXACTLY what Obamacare does, just gets the management out of Washington, D.C. and closer to the PATIENT! Wouldn’t want THAT, would we?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
10:58 am
“and forces the divestiture of assets to cover said illness….therefore, no estate can be passed to heirs…….”
So government should be installed to protect people’s estates, HDB? Is THAT a proper role of government? Why shouldn’t a person’s estate be used to take care of them while they’re alive, rather than have the rest of us foot their bill so that their heirs may enjoy the fruits of both OUR and their parent’s labors?
Jefferson
March 26th, 2012
11:11 am
Let the tax cuts expire and cut defense spending until the buget is balance — how’s that for a plan that will get as far as Ryan’s.
Hillbilly D
March 26th, 2012
11:20 am
The preponderance of assisted living centers cost over $4K/monthly…
A good point to bring up. Part of the problem here is modern society. In the old days, the younger generations took care of the ones who came before them. When somebody got old, they moved in with one of the kids or grandkids, a sibling, etc. People looked after their own. In today’s world, people usually just have a kid or two, who are scattered out who knows where. So they can’t look after theirself and nobody cares enough to look after them, so they have to be warehoused, somewhere, at great expense. Not the way it should be, in my opinion, but that’s the way it is. What’s the solution? In today’s selfish world, I’m afraid there isn’t one.
Dusty
March 26th, 2012
11:45 am
Tiberius,
Of course it makes sense that someone’s money should pay for their last illness with the government staying out of the handling. . Is there no way to keep government out of an individual’s private life? Can Americans no longer die in peace knowing that what little or more is left in their estate can be the gift for their children?
ObamaCare makes us one step closer to a life controlled by government. Not protected by government but controlled like puppets.
What happened to so many who at one time loved liberty like they loved their lives? The “leech” has replaced the lover of liberty.
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So much for that, but I had to laugh. I dropped by Bookman’s just for a look and Ragnar was there giving the “regulars” a rigorous “hard time”. He had them blubbering and crying and Bookman even trying to run Ragnar down. But it did not work Ragnar is far too smarl for them. Quite a fun read if I do say so. ( I don’t read there very much. Makes me too mean!)
Bernie
March 26th, 2012
12:11 pm
Kyle, there you are again supporting a losing cause. The Ryan Plan has already been rejected one time already and considered a non starter. Why the Republicans and the Tea Party supporters decided bring this PIG out for a second showing mystifies reasonable intelligence. The Ryan plan is a PIG. No matter what make-up or the color of lipstick that is used its still a PIG. The Republican Party and Tea Party members are the REAL THREAT to America and all of its citizens.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
12:15 pm
Ahhh, the hyperbolic argument by Bernie, always followed up with sharp, precise analysis and explanation as to why Bernie thinks that way . . . wait – what’s missing from this? Oh, yeah! The sharp and precise analysis and explanation part!
Linda
March 26th, 2012
12:35 pm
lefty-316@11:38, I don’t want a dime of my tax dollars going to an organization founded by a eugenist with the purpose of wiping out the back race. There are thousands of charities who help the less fortunate who are not in the abortion business. Ask Texas.
What the Bible teaches is to help the needy & to give Caesar his due. What the Bible does not say is to give the needy’s money to the fed. govt. & let it hire expensive bureaucrats, create red tape & choose winners & losers.
@1:16, When I referred to the ABC media, I was not referring to ABC News, but rather the entire corrupt alphabet media.
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
HDB
March 26th, 2012
1:05 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 26th, 2012
10:56 am
If Ryan’s plan is exactly the same as Obamacare…then what’s the issue?? Washington wants the states to set up the exchange…that shifts management to a lower level….and that’s what everyone wants!! The rich already have the government to protect THEIR assets….via the tax code…so why shouldn’t EVERYONE have the same benefits as those of means?? I’d like to be able to pass my estate on to my heirs just as the Rockefellers/Mellons have done……
Hillbilly D
March 26th, 2012
11:20 am
In certain situations…like mine….it wasn’t that I didn’t try to take care of my elderly parent, I didn’t have any expertise as to how to care for an Alzheimers’ patient…and as the only child, I needed professional assistance. In that case, assisted living was the only option….and at over $4K/monthly, it could’ve been a drain if not for my mother’s pension and Social Security!! For those who persist in stating that Social Security needs trimming….imagine yourself in that predicament….and that one resource could mean the difference……
Just saying..
March 26th, 2012
4:46 pm
Whine: “Anyone who says the Republican presidential nomination is over hasn’t looked at the remaining schedule of primaries-”
Geez, I hope you’re right.
Just saying..
March 26th, 2012
4:58 pm
Kyle-
This is ONE crowd of self-starters. Just throw some red meat out every three days, and you’re good.
independent thinker
March 28th, 2012
4:32 pm
And which GOP president passed free Medicare for the elderly with no funding source? and which president started two wars that have yet to end costing over a trillion dollars with no funding source? and which GOP president wrote the EPA into law? And which GOP president signed an unfunded mandate requiring free medical care at every emergency room which drives the cost up for everyone on hospital care? Of course all this is now Obama’s fault.