Genuine challenge for elite pols: Keep us from ‘coming apart’
It appears that, come November, Americans will elect as president either a wealthy member of a narrow elite or … another wealthy member of that narrow elite.
Of course, I mean the prospect of Barack “Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and seen what they charge for arugula?” Obama facing Mitt “[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs, actually” Romney, in a contest to seem more in tune with Americans who gravitate toward iceberg lettuce and Fords.
This would be true even if Charles Murray hadn’t just published “Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010.” And while Murray does not discuss presidential politics in his treatise on the growing gap between the New Upper Class and the New Lower Class, his book’s arrival is timely — and ought to inform the 2012 debate.
“Coming Apart” has been one of the most talked-about books in the commentariat in the past couple of months. But in case you have not come across any reviews of it yet: Murray focuses on “white America” to control for divisions rooted in America’s cruel history of race. “Don’t kid yourself,” he warns, “that we are looking at stresses that can be remedied by attacking the legacy of racism or by restricting immigration.”
That admonition alone would improve our political dialogue. But the trends Murray describes go much further.
He argues that, while our nation has always had disparities of wealth, for almost 200 years Americans shared common cultural experiences. In part, this was because the rich, the middle and the poor interacted. They were not isolated by religious practices or educational attainment; they consumed similar culture in terms of music, television and cinema; they had similar tastes in food and bought different models from the same auto makers.
Over the past 50 years, he says, this has changed. A critical mass formed of highly educated, well-to-do people with jobs of great cultural and/or political influence. There were enough of them, and they were sufficiently mobile and connected, for businesses to cater to their tastes. Think craft beer, espresso, sushi (and arugula).
By and large this New Upper Class is, Murray notes, politically liberal. Yet, in their private lives they behave more traditionally. For example, they marry before having children, and most of them stay married, even as out-of-wedlock births and divorce have risen among all white Americans. Perhaps surprisingly, they are more likely than members of the New Lower Class to attend religious worship services regularly.
Religion and marriage aren’t the only social institutions weakening among the New Lower Class. Its members are less likely to participate in sports clubs, the Elks Lodge, scout troops, elections.
Murray devotes little of “Coming Apart” to identifying the causes of this stratification. But he suggests one reason is the crowding out of social roles by government programs. Another is the New Upper Class does not preach what it practices. Lest they seem judgmental, our elites stay mum about behaviors they deem essential in their own lives. Murray calls them the “founding virtues”: marriage, industriousness, honesty, religiosity.
The reference to the founders is instructive. The people who practice these virtues — increasingly, the elites but not the lower class — are more likely to say they are happy. That is, they are succeeding in “the pursuit of happiness.”
A presidential election that explores this malign neglect of virtue would be worthwhile. Certainly moreso than a contest to see whose theme songs make them most “authentic.”
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 9th, 2012
5:28 pm
Government (and our next President) is not the solution to the problem. It IS the problem.
Our President Reagan was right.
Big-government Democrats (and the proponents of big government are almost all Democrats) are wrong.
carlosgvv
March 9th, 2012
5:42 pm
I’ve been saying for some time now that America is dumbing down. The “new lower class” just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Michael H. Smith
March 9th, 2012
5:54 pm
By and large this New Upper Class is, Murray notes, politically liberal.
Kyle it has long been established fact, “if liberals didn’t have double standards, they would have no standards at all”.
Where was the liberal sense of out rage expressed by obumer and democrat Congresswomen over comments made by Bill Maher attacking conservative women with vulgar slurs? No one on the left that now seems so concerned for protecting the rights and virtues of women called for apologies then?
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
5:58 pm
In part, this was because the rich, the middle and the poor interacted.
I’ve posted on this before but I think this is one place where urban/suburban life is different than rural life. In the cities and suburbs, there is often times little interaction between the classes. Out here in the country and in small towns, people at least know each other. When it comes time to sort out problems, that can be a first step. You tend not to demonize people as much, if you actually know them.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 9th, 2012
5:58 pm
Government and liberals have been actively, purposefully working for 40 years to destroy the institutions that made America strong. The church, traditional families, schools that teach things, the military, private enterprise, heck, even the Boy Scouts.
All to give themselves more power.
Thanks, Democrats.
Michael H. Smith
March 9th, 2012
5:59 pm
I’ve been saying for some time now that America is dumbing down. The “new lower class” just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Thanks to GUB’MENT schools that hold the public education dollar hostage in this country.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 9th, 2012
6:04 pm
Government schools have become nothing more than a jobs program for teachers and union bosses. If the kids should learn something along the way, well, whatever.
ragnar danneskjold
March 9th, 2012
6:04 pm
Good essay, great point – choose between a professor whose policies have failed, or a businessman whose policies are unknown. VP may make a difference for a change – as Mr. Romney’s gaffe rate is approximately equal to that of Chauncey, hope he can find someone less goofy than the current VP. (Although, in all fairness, reports say Biden tried to talk Chauncey out of going after the Catholic hospitals – that may tell us who is the goofier one.)
Bart Abel
March 9th, 2012
6:11 pm
Once again, Kyle does his part to execute the right-wing tactic of making Obama seem like one of “them” on the flimsiest of evidence.
Eating arugula, according to the right, means that you’re out of tune with most Americans? Yes, that’s what Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck, Pat Robertson, and now Kyle want us to believe.
For the record, arugula is grown by Iowa farmers (yes, Iowa is in America), and it’s sold in nearly every grocery store. Also, it’s just salad.
Look, if Romney prefers iceberg lettuce, well, that’s his loss. Something tells me, however, that he and his family have eaten more than their share of arugula too. He just won’t advertise that fact, now that his immature voting base chuckles at the sound of the word.
theTruth
March 9th, 2012
6:15 pm
Government (and our next President) is not the solution to the problem. It IS the problem.
Your correct, Reagan was/is proof of that.
ragnar danneskjold
March 9th, 2012
6:18 pm
Bart has a great point, Chauncey ought to run as the “arugula” president, urge every family to plant an arugula “victory garden,” issue a presidential proclamation making November “American arugula month.
tiredofIT
March 9th, 2012
6:20 pm
The republican party is self-destructing before our eyes, with their return to 13th century.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
6:25 pm
There was a Republican party in the 13th century?
St Simons - codewords are the new black
March 9th, 2012
6:25 pm
well, its settled. The talky word of the week was “maher.”
Not “gas prices”, or “absurd” – go figure.
Nope. Ching. No Sale. Its bout pigboy, the Head of the Republican Party
no matter how much you don’t want it to be.
Ask any woman, you know that 51% “demographic” (codeword)
Maybe he’ll let you in on the joke, on his last day on the air, dittoheads
Puck
March 9th, 2012
6:36 pm
I find it somewhat humorous that the son of a single mother and who needed food stamps while growing up is considered a member of the “elite” by the Republican Party, while the son of a President and grandson of a US Senator was considered to be a “regular” guy.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 9th, 2012
6:41 pm
Puck, it really isn’t important how Obozo came by his communist beliefs. We’ll take the American businessman over the communist rabble-rouser who by birth is a US citizen.
MarkV
March 9th, 2012
6:48 pm
Kyle again has destroyed the credibility of his writing today by his silly comparison of ‘Barack “Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and seen what they charge for arugula?” Obama’ with all the Romneyisms.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
6:51 pm
I’ve got some stuff growing in the yard that looks like arugula. Wouldn’t eat it though.
getalife
March 9th, 2012
6:53 pm
“Better days are ahead” President Obama.
How about a little optimism kyle?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 9th, 2012
6:57 pm
I seem to recall Obozo taking quite a few vacations in places like, oh, Martha’s Vineyard, Aspen, Hawaii…always seems to find himself in a multi-million-dollar compound somewhere. Pals with Warren Buffett and some other billionaires who he showers with government billions.
getalife
March 9th, 2012
7:14 pm
‘I Like Grits’… ‘Y’all’… ‘Strange Things Are Happening To Me’ willard romney.
Fake fraud.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
7:19 pm
‘I Like Grits’
Did he eat ‘em right or did he put sugar on ‘em?
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
7:19 pm
“By and large this New Upper Class is, Murray notes, politically liberal.”
“And out-of-wedlock births and divorce have risen among all white Americans”
” Perhaps surprisingly, they are more likely than members of the New Lower Class to attend religious worship services regularly.”
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New Upper Class Liberals – Therein LIES THE PROBLEM for Republicans.
WHO ARE THE NEW LOWER CLASS?
Is it the white Americans who are having out-of-wedlock births and getting divorced?
“Man is not the sum of what he has already, but rather the sum of what he does not yet have, of what he could have.”
getalife
March 9th, 2012
7:22 pm
“Did he eat ‘em right or did he put sugar on ‘em?”
He said cheese grits and a biscuit but he probably lied.
Wa..Wa, WHAT?
March 9th, 2012
7:23 pm
I have a cousin that goes to Martha’s Vineyard every year. I have several friends that have gone to Hawaii and many other places. My husband absolutely loves Cape Cod and I love sushi!! Uh oh, I live in the wrong neighborhood! #thoughtIwasmiddleclass
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
7:25 pm
getalife
In my world, it’s grits, salt, butter, (pepper optional) and that’s it.
Wa..Wa, WHAT?
March 9th, 2012
7:26 pm
@Hillbilly D, put some fish with them grits! OOOOOWEEEEE!!
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
7:27 pm
@Michael H. Smith
March 9th, 2012
5:54 pm
By and large this New Upper Class is, Murray notes, politically liberal.
Kyle it has long been established fact, “if liberals didn’t have double standards, they would have no standards at all”.
Where was the liberal sense of out rage expressed by obumer and democrat Congresswomen over comments made by Bill Maher attacking conservative women with vulgar slurs? No one on the left that now seems so concerned for protecting the rights and virtues of women called for apologies then?
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The DIFFERENCE is:
Bill Maher is a COMEDIAN and not a politician.
Rush Limbaught is NOT A COMEDIAN BUT he is an American radio talk show host,
CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, and an OPINION LEADER in American
conservatism.
Enough Said..
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
7:28 pm
Wa..Wa, WHAT?
Never heard of that or even fish for breakfast, for that matter. Course I live a long way from the coast.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
7:29 pm
Bill Maher is a COMEDIAN and not a politician.
Rush Limbaught is NOT A COMEDIAN BUT he is an American radio talk show host,
They’re both performers. Really no difference at all.
Wa..Wa, WHAT?
March 9th, 2012
7:34 pm
@Hillbilly D, Its is an experience you won’t soon forget! I am from Middle Georgia and my mother was eating fish and grits for breakfast long before it became nouveau! She would fry fish every Friday. Most times it was mullet or butterfish but you can use any. We never ate it all for dinner, so on Saturday morning, she would stick it under the broiler!
getalife
March 9th, 2012
7:36 pm
“They’re both performers. Really no difference at all.”
No pols apologized to bill.
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
7:49 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 9th, 2012
5:58 pm
Government and liberals have been actively, purposefully working for 40 years to destroy the institutions that made America strong. The church, traditional families, schools that teach things, the military, private enterprise, heck, even the Boy Scouts.
All to give themselves more power.
Thanks, Democrats.
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“Government and liberals have been actively, purposefully working for 40 years to destroy the institutions that made America strong. ”
What have you done for AMERICA LATELY?
Besides BLAMING government and putting everyone down.
If YOU were ROWING the boat YOU would not have time to ROCK the boat.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
7:50 pm
getalife
They’re both a-holes in my book. I wouldn’t give either one of ‘em air if they was in a jug.
Bruno
March 9th, 2012
7:50 pm
HD–FInally found this Lacy J Dalton song on youtube. Not traditional country, but effective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWSN96jknQ
getalife
March 9th, 2012
7:52 pm
“They’re both a-holes in my book”
Agreed.
Both are divisive and we could use less of that.
Bruno
March 9th, 2012
7:56 pm
getalife–I’ve always thought of you as a uniter.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
7:57 pm
Bill Maher, for some reason, reminds me of Dick Cavett. Limbaugh reminds me of a guy who lived next to us when I was a kid……….but that’s another story for another day.
Hey Bruno
jconservative
March 9th, 2012
8:11 pm
“Our President Reagan was right.
Big-government Democrats (and the proponents of big government are almost all Democrats) are wrong.:”
Yet when Reagan left office government was bigger than at anytime in history.
And it was Reagan who introduced the idea that we could reduce government revenue, increase government spending and decrease the deficit.
That is why government grew under his watch.
——————–
“By and large this New Upper Class is, Murray notes, politically liberal.”
Fascinating sentence. So Murray believes that the “new money” is liberal.
I will need to ponder the ramifications of this statement. Is this why Obama is president? He did carry the over $250K family income crowd in Pennsylvania in 2008.
If the controllers of money are liberal, what will happen to the conservative movement if it is the movement of “old money” and “no money”.
Interesting problem.
Phil O'Smiley
March 9th, 2012
8:15 pm
getalife
March 9th, 2012
7:22 pm
He said cheese grits and a biscuit but he probably lied.
Today grits will be his favorite breakfast food. Tomorrow it will probably Egg McMuffin. Next week, Cheerios. Next month, breakfast burrito. Flippity flop, flippity flop. Such a fraud.
Rafe Hollister
March 9th, 2012
8:17 pm
Mitt needs to find a way during the first debate to point out Oblamers wealth and lifestyle of the rich and famous. Oblamer will use the class warfare attack every chance he gets. Romney needs to eliminate that right off by finding some clever way to point out that Barry is a wealthy social snob.
He might steal from Reagan as Reagan chastised Mondale by saying he wasn’t going to make age an issue in the race by pointing out Mondale’s youth and inexperience. That quip silenced much of that talk in the race.
Romney could say he is not going to make personal wealth an issue in the race if Barack can give him some tips on cool vacation sites and places to buy organic arugula.
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
8:28 pm
@Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
7:29 pm
Bill Maher is a COMEDIAN and not a politician.
Rush Limbaught is NOT A COMEDIAN BUT he is an American radio talk show host,
They’re both performers. Really no difference at all.
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A Comedian is:
1.An entertainer whose act is designed to make an audience laugh.
2.An amusing or entertaining person.
A Conservative Political Commentator and Opinion Leader is:
1: One relating to a philosophy of conservatism
2. One who is constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism
3. One who maintains existing views, conditions, or traditions.
A performer is:
An entertainer who performs a dramatic or musical work for an audience.
Rush is no PERFORMER or ENTERTAINER. He is an OPINION COMMENTATOR.
@@
March 9th, 2012
8:31 pm
Obama’s nou·veau riche. Don’t know about Romney…old money? It do make a difference. Old money shows class. The nou-veau riche assign it.
Can’t recall which radio personality said this:
The liberal elite only pretend to care about the downtrodden. Why? Because they don’t want to be targeted when “chit” hits the fan.
Makes sense to me.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
8:31 pm
Nope, Rush is an entertainer who knows very well who his audience is and how to keep them coming back for more. Same can be said for Bill Maher and nearly every talking head, left or right, on TV “news” shows.
@@
March 9th, 2012
8:33 pm
In the world of the nou·veau riche, grits are now called polenta.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
8:35 pm
when “chit” hits the fan
The place to be is behind the fan. (IW&SH)
@@
March 9th, 2012
8:43 pm
Hillbilly:
I’m glad you’re back. I was worried the storms took you out. Then I figured you were probably helping any neighbors that had.
Never told you about the time a training potty blew up in my face, did I? Somebody had mixed bleach and ammonia in the lower compartment. It was the bleach what done me in. The rest of the stuff? Child’s play.
(ISH)
@@
March 9th, 2012
8:44 pm
Oops.
…that had suffered damage.
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
8:44 pm
@ – @@
March 9th, 2012
8:31 pm
Obama’s nou·veau riche. Don’t know about Romney…old money? It do make a difference. Old money shows class. The nou-veau riche assign it.
Can’t recall which radio personality said this:
The liberal elite only pretend to care about the downtrodden. Why? Because they don’t want to be targeted when “chit” hits the fan.
Makes sense to me.
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What MAKES SENSE TO ME IS:
THE LIBERAL ELITE only becomes what they are by the radical and deep-seated REFUSAL of that
which OTHERS LIKE YOU have made of THEM.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
8:46 pm
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I’m fine, life just intrudes sometimes. Ammonia and bleach mixed give off a toxic gas. You’re lucky you didn’t pass out.
Dusty
March 9th, 2012
8:46 pm
What a let down!.
I just found out I am at the bottom of the social ladder.
I don’t eat arugula! Never bought any! Don’t want any!
But there is hope.
]
Google say that arugula is closely related to dandelions.
I’ve got plenty of dandelions. Don’t much want to eat ‘em though.
Velma
March 9th, 2012
8:47 pm
Conservatives need to chip in and buy themselves a dictionary.
Dusty
March 9th, 2012
8:50 pm
How come, Velma?
I think you eat arugula.
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
8:58 pm
@@@
March 9th, 2012
8:33 pm
In the world of the nou·veau riche, grits are now called polenta.
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In the world of the poveri biachi, grits are a part of their major food group.
Polenta SHOWS CLASS.
@@
March 9th, 2012
9:00 pm
Dusty:
Arugula is actually pretty good….watercress too. Both have a peppery bite.
I haven’t had iceberg in years. I’m more of a green leaf lettuce type. Butter lettuce when I’m feelin’ privileged.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
9:04 pm
I love to eat grits but they’re hell to pick.
@@
March 9th, 2012
9:05 pm
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are:
I don’t consider myself poor. And I’m only white from December to May.
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
9:05 pm
@Dusty
March 9th, 2012
8:46 pm
What a let down!.
I just found out I am at the bottom of the social ladder.
I don’t eat arugula! Never bought any! Don’t want any!
But there is hope.
]
Google say that arugula is closely related to dandelions.
I’ve got plenty of dandelions. Don’t much want to eat ‘em though.
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Bottom of the social ladder?
CLASS is something that people are born with.
You cannot buy it like ARUGULA..
You either have it or you don’t.
Most people think it only relates to school.
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
9:06 pm
@@@
March 9th, 2012
9:05 pm
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are:
I don’t consider myself poor. And I’m only white from December to May.
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What do you want from me?
A COOKIE……
Dusty
March 9th, 2012
9:08 pm
@@,
My family likes the same ol’ stuff. Baby spinach is a no no. So is any lettuce besides iceberg. I did get by with a little fresh chopped broccoli this week. Made me proud!!
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
9:09 pm
CLASS is something that people are born with.
So some folks are inherently inferior from birth and not created equal?
Liberal Misogynist Hypocrisy
March 9th, 2012
9:10 pm
Obama, You Lie !
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/shepac-aims-liberal-misogynist-hypocrisy
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
9:19 pm
@@@
March 9th, 2012
9:00 pm
Dusty:
Arugula is actually pretty good….watercress too. Both have a peppery bite.
I haven’t had iceberg in years. I’m more of a green leaf lettuce type. Butter lettuce when I’m feelin’ privileged.
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“Butter lettuce when I’m feelin’ privileged.”
It don’t take much to PLEASE SOME OF YOU.
I bet you would like:
Romaine
Mache
Mesclun
Mizuna
With a nice french vinaigrette, feta cheese and grilled lamb chops and garlic bangette.
A nice glass of wine.
For desert a molton chocolate cake
Life is good.
Dusty
March 9th, 2012
9:20 pm
My goodness,
I’ve got to get my class act together.
Thought I had a chance with arugula.
But I wasn’t born with any.
At least my mother never mentioned it.
What’s a girl to do? Polenta?
@@
March 9th, 2012
9:22 pm
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are:
Wanna know what I love best?
COLLARDS!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 9th, 2012
9:24 pm
Let’s see, the dummycrats tax and regulate you, take the money and give it to themselves. And then they sneer at you for being a poor unwashed slob.After this, they jet off to the Bermudas to eat Arugula and pat themselves on the back for being “better” than you.
And who votes for them?
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
9:27 pm
@Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
9:09 pm
CLASS is something that people are born with.
So some folks are inherently inferior from birth and not created equal?
************************************************************************************
YOU SHOULD KNOW.
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
9:30 pm
@@@
March 9th, 2012
9:22 pm
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are:
Wanna know what I love best?
COLLARDS!
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So do I.
ALSO:
Kale
Turnips
Mustards
Spinach
Cabbage
All cooked with turkey tails.
yum yum
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 9th, 2012
9:33 pm
@Dusty
March 9th, 2012
9:20 pm
My goodness,
I’ve got to get my class act together.
Thought I had a chance with arugula.
But I wasn’t born with any.
At least my mother never mentioned it.
What’s a girl to do? Polenta?
*********************************************************************
“But I wasn’t born with any.”
Neither was I.
But I learned to like a lot of things I did not have as a child.
You live and YOU LEARN.
Dusty
March 9th, 2012
9:37 pm
@@
COLLARDS!!
They’re wonderful. And AROMATIC!! And full of vitamins.
I once read that many people in poverty during the great depression survived fairly well eating almost nothing but collards and cornbread. They grew the collards.
Hillbilly D
March 9th, 2012
9:52 pm
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
I reckon you’d be one of the tolerant ones.
BW
March 9th, 2012
9:53 pm
Haters gonna hate as they say….look the beauty is that people don’t want to acknowledge these facts. Minorities are not taking over the country where it matters…no significant minorities run Fortune 500s or even hold the most wealth or higher paying jobs. Times change….what certain people are afraid of is called karma. At days end everyone wants their children to do better than themselves….the epitome of the American dream.
Dusty
March 9th, 2012
9:54 pm
Turkey tails??? I fail at turkey tails. But gizzards and hearts are mighty fine and even a neck is not out of line. Dressing then completes the day except I am afraid to go and weigh.
Now I go to count sheep without a peep and have a good sleep.
(HillBilly, don’t pick too many grits. Will make your back hurt and your bunions bark!.)
G’nite..
Georgia , The "New Mississippi"
March 9th, 2012
10:26 pm
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT……… white (trash) america is imploding due to its own willful ignorance and hate…………and the solution is to DOUBLE DOWN !!! DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
@@
March 9th, 2012
10:41 pm
(Reuters) – The Department of Agriculture is defending the use of ammonium-treated beef, dubbed “pink slime” by detractors, in meals destined for schoolchildren as part of the national school lunch program.
ew
Tommy C
March 9th, 2012
11:45 pm
The economy added 227,000 jobs in Febru… HEY EVERYBODY LOOK OVER HERE! ARUGULA!
The economy once again outperforms expectations and you are talking about arugula. I guess the cons no longer believe the election is about the economy…. now contraception, grits, and arugula.
Tommy C
March 9th, 2012
11:46 pm
And sluts and prostitutes… Didn’t want to forget the sluts and prostitutes.
Bernie
March 10th, 2012
12:28 am
Kyle, One thing I do know, come November you and your beloved Republican brothers will be looking inwardly trying to understand and cope with the biggest lost since Barry Goldwater. The loss of of all Three branches due to an insane ideology contrived by your current Republican leadership. It will not be until 2020 before a real come back can even be considered.
Logical Dude
March 10th, 2012
1:25 am
” Think craft beer, espresso, sushi (and arugula) . By and large this New Upper Class”
Oh my Freaking Gawd. I can afford to eat out once a month and I am part of the New Upper Class!
I made it! Not quite the 1% I’m aiming for, but hey, I’m Upper Class!
/sarc/
Lib in Cobb
March 10th, 2012
4:30 am
The GOP voters now have ED, or Electile Dysfunction which is the inability to get aroused about any candidate currently running for president.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
March 10th, 2012
4:54 am
Go ahead, fools, keep right on dreaming that you tattooed iceberg-lettuce-eating, PBR-swilling, Chito-hogging, dumb-as-dirt obese ignorant slob b*stards (literally) can blame Obama for all your problems.
Nice job with promoting class warfare, Kyle – only this time it’s between those with class and the classless, and we note which side you’re cheerleading for.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
5:56 am
The economy once again outperforms expectations
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Thanks to public schooling general ignorance, and a bottom-feeding entitlement mentality, Democrats think three years worth of 8-10% unemployment, record numbers of people on food stamps, $1.5 trillion deficits, the loss of our AAA credit rating are characteristics of an economy outperforming expectations.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
5:58 am
Michelle Obama Wears $540 Sneakers To Food Bank
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/michelle-obama-wears-silv_n_193138.html
MiltonMan
March 10th, 2012
6:49 am
Shhh Kyle! The clueless democrats that constantly hark that the repbs are the “evil rich” might be interested in reading the book. I find it hilarious that the dems are so clueless (and so broke here in Georgia) that they turn on their own (Evil rich, Roman Catholics) like wild animals eating their young.
Libs go to church more frequently than the rest of us? Are they sleeping through service/mass???
MiltonMan
March 10th, 2012
6:52 am
Lib in cobb – now that is funny. Let me guess, you send your kids to the crap-hole either known as Osbourne or Campbell High. I see a lot of cars with that “Hope and Change” garbage plastered on their cars parked outside of MUST ministries all the time.
MiltonMan
March 10th, 2012
6:57 am
It amazes me that we still have idiots like BW running around. This guy probably attends every Occupy rally.
“…no significant minorities run Fortune 500s or even hold the most wealth or higher paying jobs.”
Ever heard of no Kenneth Chenault CEO of American Express? How about Oprah? Tiger Woods?
spaceman109
March 10th, 2012
7:18 am
i note that young. mr,.murray does not mention a common cultural experience that amerikanskis also used to share: military service through the draft. i do not immediately recall the rationale for ending conscription. i certainly do see the long-term result: amerikanskis (as a general rule) now have no idea what it is like to be in the military or have any actual appreciation for the efforts for those who serve.
spaceman109
March 10th, 2012
7:19 am
oops…..pardon my punctuation. should be “young mr. murray.”
spaceman109
March 10th, 2012
7:23 am
guess i got up too early this morning….should be “for the efforts of those who serve.”
jd
March 10th, 2012
7:24 am
As the elite conservatives like Santorum plot to keep the white lower class dumb, the strata become more distant. Is it no wonder that HOPE goes to those making more than 100k while the sons and daughters of teachers, janitors, and carpenters are told “don’t be snobs, go to trade school.”
jd
March 10th, 2012
7:27 am
I broke the code… Only those who go to college appreciate arugula. Santorum does not want more people eating his arugula!
man behind the curtain
March 10th, 2012
7:53 am
Dang I didn’t know you could get Carribian islands at Whole Foods. What aisle is that on?
the red herring
March 10th, 2012
7:57 am
i believe that people that get out and work and earn money should keep more of it. not have it redistributed. that simply requires washington d.c. to spend less money and to spend no more than it takes in. we need less federal government not more (as obama and the likes want). we need lower gas prices to sustain our economic growth (which both obama and his energy secretary are against). rush limbaugh is an entertainer and should be treated the same as maher, etc.. the difference is limbaugh actually promotes smaller government, people improving themselves, and people working for the money they earn (as opposed to having that money taken away from those who earned it and given to those who didn’t). the democratic party several decades ago figured out they could buy votes with other people’s money—the strategy has paid off–we now have more voters getting money of some sort from the government than the voters that do not. If and when illegal immigrants get amnesty as obama/napolitano/et al want then the taxpaying voter will lose all elections and we will become a 3rd world country —which is the direction obama and his policies now have us headed.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
8:18 am
jd: Is it no wonder that HOPE goes to those making more than 100k
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No. HOPE is merit-based. Families making more than $100K have children who don’t think studying and paying attention in class are things to be mocked.
Ayn Rant
March 10th, 2012
8:19 am
What can we do to improve the “virtue” of lower-class Americans? And, why not fix the “virtues” of the politically powerful and the ultra-rich, while we’re at it; they play the same marriage/affair/divorce, brat-spawning games as the lower classes, albeit in better clothes.
Surely, nobody’s “virtue” can be improved by legislation, prohibition, disapproval, and coercion. The neo-conservative politicians say starve and deprive the lower classes, and they’ll come around to “upper-class” virtues. Surely that’ll lead to revolt, not reform.
The lower classes are not a new phenomena; they have been around always, throughout history in all societies. Older Americans remember the days of “white trash” and “shiftless blacks”. Today, the lower classes of society are more visible, but less maligned. And, they have access to social media, especially television, to glorify their ignorance and destructive behavior.
Class division based on social behavior, rather than privilege, is due to low intelligence, primarily, and deprivation, secondarily. Think about it! Only half the American population could score above IQ100 on an intelligence test. Many Americans are just plain pig-drool dumb, unable to associate cause with effect, unconcerned about their future, and gullible for religious and political demagoguery.
The way to handle the lower class burden on our society is to do what we are already doing, but do it better: placate them. Give those unwilling to work, or unable to do anything useful, food stamps, a small monthly stipend to cover their basic expenses, and health care coverage as good as that they would receive in prison. Guarantee everyone a flat-screen TV to watch the network trash, ball games, drug commercials, and Sunday religious services. Give everyone a smart cell phone for improving their language skills by texting their equally ignorant acquaintances.
But, give the lower class children good schools, and an opportunity for those who have inherited above their gene pool to lift themselves from the mire.
Now that we’ve solved the problem of the “lower classes , let’s try to improve the lot of the “upper classes”. How about teaching proper dress and manners in schools? How about requiring restaurants to offer arugula salads, French wines, good cheeses, and refined main courses? How about reserving television and cable channels for non-commercial entertainment and non-political news from the BBC?
Michael H. Smith
March 10th, 2012
8:25 am
MiltonMan,
Once it is realized that the churches of today tend to serve more as “Country Clubs” or “Social Networks” than centers of worship and missionary mind evangelistic ministries that serve accordingly to the mandate of the scriptures, first at home(Judea) then to the rest of the country(Samaria) and lastly, unto the rest of the world(ends of the earth) it is easier to understand why so many are quick to find fault with Christianity.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
8:29 am
Give the lower class children good schools? How can it be that the public schools suck? They’ve been run by Democrats and liberals for decades, and we spend more per pupil than almost any country in the world. While we’re “requiring” people to do things, how about requiring that all government employees, including Democrat presidents, send their kids to the local public school?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
8:37 am
Tuition at Sidwell Friends school, where the Obozos send their two children:
$32,960 (includes hot lunch)
No word on whether arugula is included in the lunch.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
8:59 am
Kyle, nice try on attempting to bring some thoughtfulness to the blog yesterday, despite the abject failure of the residents to grasp your meaning.
Let’s face it folks. Kyle put out a first-class commentary on trying to get to the root causes / symptoms of the divide that many of you on the left complain about on a daily basis, and what do you do?
Whine about arugula being associated with the President. Oh, the horror!
This sums up what my reaction to you folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbXFyNv7c-8
I’m not saying this Murray guy is right or wrong, but his theory is at least worth intelligent discussion for crying out loud!
Ayn Rant’s most recent rant misses the point entirely. It devolves into yet another screed about how we should “fix” something that cannot and likely should not be fixed. You cannot change the natural order of things; that being that there will always be some people better off than others. There will always be some people smarter than others. There will always be some people luckier than others (even though we usually make our own luck).
We are guaranteed equal rights, not equal outcomes.
The issue is (if I understand his theory correctly for lack of a better terminology), the destruction of the whole “melting pot” concept of America. The age of the hyphenated American has taken hold. We’re not Americans anymore, we’re (insert your chosen designation) – Americans nowadays.
It makes us feel special. It makes us feel above average, even if we’re not. “I’m not merely American, I’m (whatever) – American.”
Big frikkin’ deal.
When we were only Americans, we had a common goal. Now that we’re hyphenated-Americans, we no longer focus on the shared, common goal, but on ourselves and those who share our smaller (and therefore lesser) designation. And make no mistake; it is government that has fostered and encouraged this practice of hyphenated-Americans for years. And yes, it is largely those folks of the liberal persuasion who have encouraged this class warfare they now rely on so much by insisting on designating us by subclass, ultimately weakening the foundation of this country that ultimately benefited us all.
Instead of the usual political attacks this blog usually turns into, why don’t you each try to understand and maybe learn from what this author postulates. My belief (nor his) can be considered the only right arguments in this issue, but except for Kyle’s initial attempt, they’re the only one’s addressing the argument at hand thus far.
Up your game, folks. Some of you are capable of doing so.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:03 am
Obamas Take Separate Planes So First Lady Can Get A Few More Hours of Vacation in Martha’s Vineyard
Michelle Obama and her daughters arrived around 2 pm Thursday on a U.S. government jet while President Obama is scheduled to leave a few hours later on Air Force One.
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Don’t all families take multiple private jets to vacay on Martha’s Vineyard?
GT
March 10th, 2012
9:11 am
One thing never to forget, Obama is black. No matter what quote you draw from him you cannot misrepresent his hardship in a matter of a blue blood disconnect. Any disconnect is from the white race to him. They have misrepresented his birth, education, religion and political positions when their real problem with the man is he is black. The problem with this country is there are people being born on third base who think they have hit triples. Romney is defiantly one of those as was both Bushs. Clinton grow up poor as did Obama. Now I want to hear more about the rich being liberal. It seems to me unless they have blood test for such there is no hard evidence of this conclusion. Also the rich is not a race into itself. You can be rich today and poor tomorrow.
The white race is “coming apart” by its own hand no one else. They have gravitated to the lowest denominators of our society in my lifetime. Instead of being an Obama or a Clinton and lifting themselves above their class of birth, there has been a mass demotion of the white race self imposed. Religion has become far less important in this crowd, as has education, tradition, and formality. Churches now days are bluejeans and tshirts, cigarettes and tattoos. Radio personalities have become gurus, drama a way of life, watch Jerry Springer and tell me where you see any separation in conduct between the races. Media instead of raising the bar find it more lucrative to lower it. Media has become the classroom of the 20 and 21st century.
When people become educated they may become more moderate. They open their minds more and see the world differently. This is not a rich, poor, equation it is a educated, uneducated equation. It benefits the Republican Party to keep the country uneducated. There is evidence in the position of such states like Georgia or Mississippi or Alabama as to their educational ranking and how they vote. These are Newt states and he plays them like a fiddle. The country will gravitate towards a national personality, it always has. What we have today are fear merchants leading this country who will not speak out on our real problems. We have just gotten to be a bunch of sorry people who want to blame our sorriness on other people instead of taking ownership of it ourselves.
tiredofIT
March 10th, 2012
9:15 am
Bottom line is Rush is a drug addict and you will never see him debate an issue, because he can’t. He has been successful indoctrinating weak minds with a warped view of the world, but hey, it’s America.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
9:17 am
Looks as if my previous post has fallen on deaf ears.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
9:28 am
“One thing never to forget, Obama is black.”
Thank you, Captain Obvious!
Looks like Tech is giving away degrees these days.
Making race the issue regarding people’s dislike for his POLICIES is the least intelligent argument anyone can make, GT.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:30 am
We have just gotten to be a bunch of sorry people who want to blame our sorriness on other people instead of taking ownership of it ourselves.
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Why did this make me think of the 99%-ers?
Lil' Barry Blowhard (Revised Upward)
March 10th, 2012
9:32 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
5:56 am
The economy once again outperforms expectations
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Thanks to public schooling general ignorance, and a bottom-feeding entitlement mentality, Democrats think three years worth of 8-10% unemployment, record numbers of people on food stamps, $1.5 trillion deficits, the loss of our AAA credit rating are characteristics of an economy outperforming expectations.
Yeah, these days of 3% GDP growth, quarter-million jobs created per month, decreasing jobless rate, and increasing wages are sure horrible. Let’s go back to the good ‘ol Bush days. You know, when GDP was CONTRACTING. -8.9%. When we were losing 750,000 jobs per month. That’s what we want!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:34 am
There’s one political persuasion working really hard to destroy the institutions that bring us together, such as the churches, the traditional family, the military, and private businesses. I don’t even have to name it–you know who they are.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:36 am
Yeah, these days of 3% GDP growth, quarter-million jobs created per month, decreasing jobless rate, and increasing wages are sure horrible. Let’s go back to the good ‘ol Bush days. You know, when tax revenue was increasing, unemployment was 5%, the deficit was $160 billion, and we had a AAA credit rating. That’s what we want!
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Fixed.
And oh, by the way, wages are falling under Obozo.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:40 am
Hourly earnings growth over the last year of 1.9% is running a full point below inflation, a cost-of-living squeeze that is getting tighter with higher gas prices.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204781804577271690951886740.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop
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Why are workers falling further behind on Obozo’s watch?
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
9:52 am
What really gripes the leftists is that “Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict, but he could run the country better in a drug daze than have the leftists since January 2007.” And those early posters who affirm that Limbaugh is not a comedian, and that Maher is, have never listened to Limbaugh nor watched Maher.
tiredofIT
March 10th, 2012
9:52 am
Back to unfunded medicare Part D, 911, needless war and losing 750,000 jobs a month and the DOW near 8000. That’s called selective memory.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
9:56 am
I know Chauncey has been lost ever since Magna Sarah mocked his proposed re-election slogan, “Winning the Future” as just more “WTF.” I can alleviate the leftists concern – they cannot think without a bumper sticker, you understand – with this spin on a classic:
Arugula in every pot, and pot with every arugula.
GT
March 10th, 2012
9:59 am
Bad news and ignorance favor the Republican Party. Now bad work if you can get it, just hope for the worse and you can be elected. No contributions required. Now as the ground is falling beneath your shoes you try so hard to keep your troops in check by comforting them that the world is not getting better this is an allusion. Allusion was an economy living off easy credit, politicians cooking the books to make America believe we were living in high times. Notice we are having a recovery now without smoke and mirrors, no easy credit, no Erons or MCIs cooking the books, giving huge contributions of stolen money to the Republican Party, nope this one is for real. And independent money scares the hell out of the Republican Party. You got Romney buying an election, Newt staying in one because of super-pack money. Obama couldn’t stop it and lost a case in the Supreme Court against super packs. I can promise if you want to get rid of it he won’t fight you just like the Supreme Court case. It will be the Republicans fighting to keep it so minority rules.
Lil' Barry Blowhard (Revised Upward)
March 10th, 2012
10:10 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:40 am
Hourly earnings growth over the last year of 1.9% is running a full point below inflation, a cost-of-living squeeze that is getting tighter with higher gas prices.
Let’s go back to 2008-2009 when American’s average wages decreased, which hasn’t happened since the great depression. Let’s reinstitute all the trickle down policies that benefit only the wealthy, which has allowed the richest after-tax incomes to rise 281% since 1979, while everyone one else has averaged 16-25% over that same time.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
10:12 am
Dear GT @ 9:11. your thesis does not conform to the facts. Democrats control the votes of those who are high school drop outs. Beyond that basic level, affinity with conservatism grows until we get to the doctorate level, which is again over-represented among leftist voters.
Reason that is likely true: least educated are most in need of “safety net,” always championed by leftists. Most educated see themselves as overlords, with an obligation to control the rabble. Those in-between – the average working stiffs – see themselves as the ones who have to pay the bills and make the country work.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
10:14 am
Dear GT @ 9:59. notice that there was no recovery until we had a “do nothing” House of Representatives. The leftists always pick at the wound, preventing recovery – the conservatives are smart enough to let the market find its floor.
@@
March 10th, 2012
10:17 am
I read some of the reviews of Mr. Murray’s “Coming Apart”….looks interesting. I’ll have to check it out. Comparisons were to “The Bell Curve”. From there I dug deeper and ended up at “Mises” wherein I read an article entitled “Stealing Assets, Insuring Poverty”.
Let’s face it, our representatives always conform to the minimum expected standard. Some voters are willing to tolerate it, others not.
Too many in the “workforce” have followed “the suits” thinking themselves favored by the government….placing their future in the hands of government. It’s that lowest common denominator thingy at the directive of politically liberal elites.
Are we going to let America crash and burn or will we pull up at the last minute by raising our own personal standards?
Here’s hoping we’ll choose the “ladder” as opposed to the government’s catapult.
Unconscious in America.
@@
March 10th, 2012
10:25 am
An interesting exchange between Peggy Noonan and John Boehner. Boehner revealed it’s not the Tea Partiers within his party who are standing in the way of progress. It’s Obama, the dems, and a few old guards within the GOP.
The three legged dog.
@@
March 10th, 2012
10:27 am
Hopalong to get along.
schnirt
MarkV
March 10th, 2012
10:30 am
Kyle degraded everything he would write further in this commentary by his silly dig of characterizing Obama by the “Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and seen what they charge for arugula?” quote.
If Kyle wanted to make us aware of Charles Murray’s “Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010” and encourage us to read it, he could have done it in a much simpler way. But to submit this complex sociological study, which has been subject of both praise and strong criticism, for a blog discussion? The only justification might be that this trivialization of the subject would be in tune with what is happening on this blog every day. Anybody can see the evidence of that in the arugula vs. lettuce, spinach and collards debate as well as other comments.
Payback is a Bill Maher
March 10th, 2012
10:33 am
Oh now it is the Republicans who play on economic bad news?
Gee… In 2008 when Oblamer did nothing but trash a bad economy daily, then the leftwing nutjobs loved it and he was considered so intelligent – for p-ing in his own coffee cup!
Now that Oblamer has only made that bad economy he couldn’t stop talking down all the worse these leftwing nutjobs decry… it’s those old Republicans talking down the economy and looking for more bad news daily.
Karma: Did somebody say something early of worrying it would come back around full circle?
Rafe Hollister
March 10th, 2012
10:34 am
Having taken the time on this pretty day to read some of the inane comments, I have the following to say before returning to this beautiful day outdoors.
I don’t throw the stupid word around, probably as much as I should, but the comments that some make to justify their position, that there is no difference in Romney and Oblamer, is stupid. I think people say this to justify doing or not doing what they know they ought to do. If they are slackers they know that taking of the dole is wrong, but to justify it, they say, well there is no difference in the two parties, so why change anything.
Well, here is the difference between the two on just a few issues.
Oblamer wants to raise taxes, Romney wants to cut taxes.
Oblamer says oil is the fuel of the past and he is not worried about rising gas prices, Romney said it is absurd that we are developing our resources and using all our energy options.
Oblamer wants to grow government, Romney wants to free the private sector to grow non government jobs.
Oblamer wants to appoint liberal justices to the Supreme Court, Romney wants to put more conservatives on the Supreme Court.
Oblamer wants more government control over your life, like Obamacare, Romney wants to repeal Obamacare.
Oblamer wants the government to be in control of the economy, Romney wants economic freedom.
I could go on and on. Idiots that think they are one and the same, need to turn off American Idol and Dancing with the Stars and come out from your TeeVEE induced coma and do some investigating. I think if you look you will quickly find that this economic downturn is the second longest in USA history. Do you think that it is coincidence that Oblamer is in charge.
People who say, he inherited all these problems and he can’t fix them overnight, need to study Harry Truman. Think Barry got a short straw, check ole Harry’s plight at the time he first stepped into the oval office. Never heard Harry blame anyone. “The buck stops here”, he said.
Rafe has left the building. Thanks for reading my rant.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
10:35 am
Dear MarkV @ 10:30, you err in your slams against Kyle’s essay. You first affirm that he “lost all credibility” via some particular assertion – “credibility” of a particular speaker does not affect the quality of the argument. You then affirm that Kyle “degraded everything he could write further” because he inserted a humorous comment – as if the argument hinged on the validity of that particular “dig.”
“Logic” is arraying facts into a co-ordinated string of thoughts, sometimes leading to a conclusion. Kyle did it, but you did not.
@@
March 10th, 2012
10:50 am
Kyle could’ve used The Whole Foods Alternative to ObamaCare
Eight things we can do to improve health care without adding to the deficit..Whole Foods to support a more conservative argument.
Liberals attack their own.
Liberals attack Whole Foods
Case in point: The current boycott of Whole Foods because John Mackey, the CEO, has his own opinions about health care and expressed these in the Wall Street Journal.
The result: a nation wide, well publicized campaign of nasty phone calls and e mails to local stores. Ironically, if you’ve ever been in a Whole Foods, you know that 99.9% of the employees are mega Obama fans. And when Obama was campaigning in Iowa, didn’t he wax rhapsodic about the arugula there? (He’s such a man of the people.)
Off to do yardwork.
claire
March 10th, 2012
10:52 am
Surely the difference in lifestyle between the high IQ elite and the lower IQ underclass is largely explicable purely by the different prospects in life ensuing from their different intellectual levels. It’s OK for a clever, well educated lawyer with a high salary to talk about the virtues of marriage as he/she won’t struggle to find a partner but many low ability men who can’t find a job and by nature aren’t full of scintillating conversation have no selling point for marriage.The fact that the IQ- rich have now pulled apart so those talented people who used to enrich communities and provide role models to others have now separated themselves and associate only with one another leaves many communities which used to be mixed full of only low prospect, low talent people with low chances of marriage. There used to be many couples, too, where one marriage partner was significantly brighter than the other but society’s polarisation has been increased by intelligent men and women being able to find and marry one another so that many couples are either both intelligent (the married ones)or both unintelligent.Generally, there’s far less of a middle ground in society. Perhaps the church should urge talented and well off people to move into less fortunate areas and enrich them with their lives rather than throwing money at them. The problem is that so many politicians have themselves come from elite and very sheltered backgrounds.
MarkV
March 10th, 2012
10:53 am
ragnar danneskjold @10:35 am
If “Logic” is arraying facts into a co-ordinated string of thoughts, sometimes leading to a conclusion,” then your post fails that test. When somebody writes a commentary on as serious subject as the Murray’s study, and starts that commentary with silliness, the quality of the argument may not be affected, by the overall article is degraded.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
11:03 am
And once again MarkV focuses on the inane, rather than the topic at hand.
‘Cause he’s got nothing else in his playbook.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
11:11 am
The consistent identifying mark of leftism is “humorlessness.”
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
11:14 am
Dear MarkV @ 10:53, the best way to measure the validity of my argument is to re-read Kyle’s essay but omitting the one line you find objectionable. If the essay stands as sound without it – and it does – the injection of humor is irrelevant, and your objection is a mere diversion.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
11:14 am
The consistent identifying mark of leftism is “unwilling to have a serious discussion”.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
11:18 am
Dear MarkV @ various times, I fully understand that leftists prefer fire and brimstone and sniff at humorous asides, but we normal folk like the sermon leavened with humor.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
11:18 am
Dear Tiberius @ 11:14, taste great, less filling.
Gator Joe
March 10th, 2012
11:23 am
“Coming Apart: The State of White America”, why the concern about a segment of society that enjoyed privelge throughout the history of this country. The concern should be about segments of society that still suffer the effects of slavery, racism and bigotry. Additional attention should focus on why poverty and hunger still exicst in this country.
For the record, I’m a 65 year old white Hispanic.
PS
Much of the problem lies with insecure whites, especially men, who see the country continuing to diversify.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
11:25 am
Dear Gator Joe @ 11:23, we disagree. I am an old white guy, and I object to the mind control compelled by leftists – believe people ought to be able to think whatever they wish, even if they are “wrong.” Leftists are intolerant of a divergent view.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
11:27 am
Leftists require regimentation of society, a la “ObamaCare,” or “Dodd-Frank” or any other business law or regulation. That mandatory goose-stepping is objectionable to all who prize freedom. Other than those narrow areas that constitute a fraud on the market – “collusion” and “fraud in the inception” – there is no need for bureaucratic control of the decisions of free individuals.
Gator Joe
March 10th, 2012
11:33 am
Dear Ragnar @ 11:25 you confuse “disagreement” with “intolerance”. Disagreeing with you does not mean I’m intolerant of your views, however misguided they may be. The only mind control I see is the brain washing occuring on the part of those who depend on Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz, etc. as their only sources of information.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
11:34 am
“For the record, I’m a 65 year old white Hispanic.”
Gator Joe just made my argument for me. Thanks, Gator!
Unless you’re just visiting here, Gator, you’re a 65 year-old AMERICAN.
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
11:38 am
Dear Gator Joe @ 11:33, you err. Obama will not tolerate Catholic hospitals refusing to perform abortions, or refusing to provide abortifacients to their employees. Conservatives disagree, but leftists use the guns of government to mandate their preferences – the latter is “intolerance.”
Gator Joe
March 10th, 2012
11:39 am
Tiberius @ 11:34, I forgot to add in my post, I’m also a veteran (USMC). As for your comment, I am what I choose to be, not as you, or anyone else, defines me.
I’m a 65 year old white Hispanic who served honorably in the Marine Corps. Is that better?
MarkV
March 10th, 2012
11:40 am
ragnar danneskjold @11:14 am, @ 11:18 am
ragnar, again you are failing your own test of logic.
radnar: “the best way to measure the validity of my argument is to re-read Kyle’s essay but omitting the one line you find objectionable “ Would you enlighten me about what argument you made in your post @ 10:35 am, so that I can “measure the validity of it”?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
11:45 am
“Is that better?”
No, Gator, it is not. And you missed by point entirely. I suggest you read (or re-read) my post at the bottom of page 2 on this thread.
But to summarize, you’re the problem, regardless of your age, history or service simply because YOU CHOSE to define yourself as Hispanic rather than American.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
11:46 am
More obfuscation from MarkV, I see.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
11:47 am
And btw, Gator Joe, before I forget – thank you for your service.
tiredofIT
March 10th, 2012
11:58 am
” mind control compelled by leftists” ? Looks like you have typo, didn’t you mean to say “right-wingers” e.g. Rush, Shawn, Marc ….
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 10th, 2012
12:02 pm
Drop out, Newt.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 10th, 2012
12:26 pm
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19 (see trends).
Now all we need to do is rid ourselves of our little Blow Up “Conservative” Doll Romney.
After you get all the squishes off of it, of course.
ew
rightwing troll
March 10th, 2012
12:27 pm
Lots of blather hot air and lies here from the rightwing nut sax, but nary a supporting fact to be found… just like always…
Maybe you pervs can go youtube some college coeds having sex with pillbo…
rightwing troll
March 10th, 2012
12:30 pm
“Leftists require regimentation of society, a la “ObamaCare,” or “Dodd-Frank” or any other business law or regulation.”
And rightists require a decimation of society in favor of corporate subsidies based on disproved, discredited, and failed policies…
getalife
March 10th, 2012
12:30 pm
Yeah, lets go back to “did not see that coming” gop failed policies.
Another collapse is the ticket.
Not on my watch.
Paul Deen
March 10th, 2012
12:40 pm
Here’s a sweet photo of one of Kyle’s buddies and the guvna himself:
http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/lawyer-of-the-day-non-consensual-sex-drugs-and-a-smokin-ex-wife/
redweather
March 10th, 2012
12:48 pm
If anyone wants to know what went wrong with the Republicans, today’s blog would be a great place to start reading. The good news is that you don’t have to remain in denial. The bad news is that this is no doubt what Republicans will do right up until the election, guaranteeing Obama, or Obozo, or whatever you choose to call him, another four years.
getalife
March 10th, 2012
1:01 pm
“guaranteeing Obama, or Obozo, or whatever you choose to call him, another four years.”
Yes and his name is President Obama.
It is time to show him some respect cons.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
1:18 pm
Liberals are the disease weakening us from within. Traditional American values are the cure. Treatment begins the first Tuesday in November.
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March 10th, 2012
1:27 pm
As actors go, I’ve always liked this guy.
Michael Madsen, Kill Bill Star, Arrested for Child Cruelty
He was arrested Friday afternoon at his Malibu home by deputies responding to a family disturbance call. Detectives from the Special Victims Bureau were following up on allegations the actor was intoxicated and fighting with his son, who didn’t require medical attention, according to the Sheriff’s Department.
Madsen’s attorney Perry Wander tells TMZ, which first reported the arrest, that Madsen “found his son smoking pot and they got in an argument when he tried to take it away.
So Dad’s drunk and the kid’s smoking pot in pursuit of what…happiness?
hmmmmm
redweather
March 10th, 2012
2:29 pm
@getalife, I normally refer to him as President Obama, but I’m in enemy territory here so I thought I’d better humor the real bozos.
rightwing troll
March 10th, 2012
2:46 pm
“Traditional American values are the cure.”
Yeah, like multiple divorces and cheating on one’s spouse, and doctor shopping for oxycontin…
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
2:55 pm
That’s part of the problem with libtards…they think divorce, drug use, illegitimacy, and other weaknesses are “American values”.
Dusty
March 10th, 2012
3:31 pm
Doncha just love this country? Here we are cussin’ & discussin’ about our country like a couple of tomcats in the moonlight. Just think!. The worst “punishment” we get is somebody fussing at us. Nobody being dragged to prison. Nobody being shot on sight. No mass graves. We’ve got it made!
You know why? We CARE about our country and fight each other over it (if nobody else is available). Our “military” fight in the Middle East and we fight toothlessly at home. What a country!
But let’s not get too rude, crude & unattractive as the ol’ saying goes. There are some good ideas here, starting with Kyle. I really don’t know anybody “coming apart”. In fact, I just read about a lot of people helping others recover from storm damage.
Forget ‘coming apart”. We, as always, are just “getting it together”.
Say your prayers. Set your clock back an hour . Get up and go somewhere and be thankful. You really shoud be. You’re an American!
(I feel good today. It’s almost spring!)
rightwing troll
March 10th, 2012
3:36 pm
“That’s part of the problem with libtards…they think divorce, drug use, illegitimacy, and other weaknesses are “American values”.”
As witnessed by our spokesperson and one of the top 3 candidates in our primaries… Oh wait… that’s the nut sax primary… not the Libs… nevermind…
getalife
March 10th, 2012
3:36 pm
sanitarium wins Kansas.
The newt is ruining it for you cons.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 10th, 2012
3:37 pm
What’s the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America (2004) is a book by American journalist and historian Thomas Frank, which explores the rise of populist anti-elitist Conservatism in the United States, centering on the experience of Kansas, Frank’s native state. In the late 19th century, Kansas was known as a hotbed of the left-wing Populist movement, but in recent decades, it has become overwhelmingly conservative.
Ain’t nothing wrong with Kansas.
Kansas 40 delegates (69%)
Candidates Votes Percent
Santorum 8,605 53.2
Romney 2,744 17.0
Squishies don’t win in the heart of America.
tiberius your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
3:51 pm
Thanks for living down to my expectations everybody (both on the left and the right).
You people would be lost in a single deep thought.
Dusty
March 10th, 2012
4:07 pm
OH hush, getalife,
Newt is resolute, very astute and does not hang out at Martha’s Vineyard. That alone makes him look GOOD!
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 10th, 2012
4:17 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
5:58 am
Michelle Obama Wears $540 Sneakers To Food Bank
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/michelle-obama-wears-silv_n_193138.html
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YOUR POINT IS?
Would it make YOU HAPPY if she went BAREFOOT?
For all you know that might be the only pair of sneakers she will buy this year.
SHE IS THE FIRST LADY.
NOT A BAG LADY.
Dusty
March 10th, 2012
4:18 pm
Oh come on, Tiberius,
Do you really read blogs for deep thought? Prize fights for “culture”? Soapbox derby for thrills! Disney land for mind enrichment?
There’s entertainment here for the bored. Haven’t you noticed?
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 10th, 2012
4:19 pm
@MiltonMan
March 10th, 2012
6:49 am
Shhh Kyle! The clueless democrats that constantly hark that the repbs are the “evil rich” might be interested in reading the book. I find it hilarious that the dems are so clueless (and so broke here in Georgia) that they turn on their own (Evil rich, Roman Catholics) like wild animals eating their young.
Libs go to church more frequently than the rest of us? Are they sleeping through service/mass???
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OBVIOUSLY, you have SLEPT THROUGH a few services/mass.
YOU SOUND LIKE A HEATHEN.
We Do Not Know What We Want And Yet We Are Responsible For Who We Are
March 10th, 2012
4:24 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:03 am
Obamas Take Separate Planes So First Lady Can Get A Few More Hours of Vacation in Martha’s Vineyard
Michelle Obama and her daughters arrived around 2 pm Thursday on a U.S. government jet while President Obama is scheduled to leave a few hours later on Air Force One.
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Don’t all families take multiple private jets to vacay on Martha’s Vineyard
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ARE YOU ENVIOUS?
Don Abernethy
March 10th, 2012
4:29 pm
No one running for President ,Republican or Democrat, can identify with the average American. They are all filthy rich. They are not effected personally by the bad economy or high gas prices. In order to run for office you have to be a millionaire.This is equally true to those in congress. And the truth is they don’t care about the average American. All they care about is themselves ,how much money they can make, and how to stay in office.
MarkV
March 10th, 2012
4:42 pm
Don Abernethy @4:29 pm
Your generalization has as much value as all sweeping generalizations have – zero. Do you personally know not only every candidate, but even every Representative and Senator?
carlosgvv
March 10th, 2012
4:43 pm
With Hispanics still coming to America in droves and black women grinding out a seemingly endless number of illegtimate children, “becoming a minority” might be a better way to describe white America.
Moon Mullins
March 10th, 2012
4:53 pm
Regardless of the article, the interpretation is the same. Tax policy alone has made it possible for the wealthy to multiply their wealth during a decade where middle and lower class income decreased — but that point doesn’t factor into the preconceived notions that are reiterated in the majority of these posts.
“There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.” ~ von Goethe
marko
March 10th, 2012
5:11 pm
I had to read that twice to make sure Kyle had actually written it. It’s true liberals are affluent well educated, and pretty boring when you look into how they really live. I guess they’re just not tough enough to get married as often as Newt and Rush. I know facts don’t count for much, but only one American president has ever been divorced. That would be Saint Reagan.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
5:12 pm
Tax policy doesn’t “multiply wealth”. Wise investing and working for a living do. Tax policy merely determines how much of one’s earnings will be wasted by government.
Carl H.
March 10th, 2012
6:36 pm
…he suggests one reason is the crowding out of social roles by government programs.
This turns critical race theory on its head. No longer can it be about racial divides. OUR leaders would do better to see us as one race — the human race.
Power belongs to the people, not government.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 10th, 2012
6:53 pm
Government Power is barakkk obozo’s middle name.
@@
March 10th, 2012
6:56 pm
jay’s on vacation? Okey dokey.
RC, I don’t know many cool cats or kitties that didn’t like getting funked up.
Some folks are stuck in a time warp.
“kitties”???? I’d rather be called a slut.
schnirt
@@
March 10th, 2012
7:05 pm
Oops! Wrong blog.
killerj
March 10th, 2012
7:10 pm
Rich Or Poor I Judge A Person By Their Character,No Matter What You Eat It Comes Out All The Same Right?
@@
March 10th, 2012
7:30 pm
What’s a supermarket, looking to keep the price of ground beef competitive, to do? Use the cheapest possible kind of ground beef: the much-reviled “pink slime.”
According to a recent “ABC World News” report from Jim Avila, 70% of ground beef sold in supermarkets contains the ammonia-treated sludge, which is the the product of a method for salvaging meat scraps from otherwise unusable parts of a carcass.
ew
Note to self…start using the meat grinder on my KitchenAid.
@@
March 10th, 2012
7:32 pm
I’m curious…exactly what parts do they consider unusable? My imagination runs wild.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 10th, 2012
7:35 pm
Dusty, I was just hoping, based on one of the more interesting topics Kyle has written about, that there might have been a smidgen of change from the usual 5th grade attacks and bumper-sticker comments.
It’s not often one of Kyle’s posts is as thought-provoking as this particular one was to me.
Hillbilly D
March 10th, 2012
7:36 pm
what parts do they consider unusable?
When it comes to hogs, I know people that used everything but the squeal. Pretty much the same on cows; you can’t eat the horns (if it isn’t polled) but that’s about it..
ragnar danneskjold
March 10th, 2012
7:46 pm
If you are really bored, here is an article that is funnier for its mere existence than for its content.
english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/07-03-2012/120708-arizona_sheriff_obama-0/
Pravda – former house organ of the Russia Commies – has a quasi-legal argument that President Obama is ineligible to serve as President of the US because of his heritage. I do not know why they would publish something like that, suppose they had to fill space. No, I am not a birther, just the idea of Pravda publishing that argument amuses me. They take it seriously. (The quality of the argument would not survive a motion for summary judgment, so don’t get too excited if you are a birther.)
Dusty
March 10th, 2012
7:57 pm
tiberius,
Maybe you are having a bad day in general. Sorry about that. Lotsa people were probably out in the nice sunshine today.
Don’t let comments here get you down. That is what some of them want so I try to ignore most of those. Sometimes it aint easy!!
Dusty
March 10th, 2012
8:07 pm
ragnar
Pravda is writing about President Obama’s birth place? Must not be much going on in Russia. I wonder where Putin was born? I bet nobody is asking him. Not if they value their life.
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HillBilly D
Between you and @@ I won’t be hungry for beef anytime soon. Pink slime? Burp!!
I admit I have eaten souse (and pickled pig feet) which looked to me like they had thrown EVERYTHING in it but the horns. Or whiskers or whatever. But I was innocent when I ate it and did not know any better…
@@
March 10th, 2012
8:11 pm
I do not know why they would publish something like that, suppose they had to fill space.
Putin’s peregruzka?
schnirt
Hillbilly:
Gee thanks. So where would I find the sludge on a bovine?
(ISH)
Hillbilly D
March 10th, 2012
8:19 pm
So where would I find the sludge on a bovine?
I’ve never really heard of sludge on a beef but if I were looking, I’d start on the ground towards the tail section. (IW&SH)
@@
March 10th, 2012
8:42 pm
Tiberius:
Thanks for living down to my expectations everybody (both on the left and the right).
You people would be lost in a single deep thought.
Feel free to begin the discussion of your terms. I saw your initial response and wholeheartedly agree. What do we do about the dem’s love affair with identity politics? It really is the only way they can hold onto power. It’s their divide and conquer ALL strategy.
Try to convince your average democrat that government cannot secure THEIR future well-being, cannot be the pursuer of THEIR dreams, cannot PROVIDE what they need. Try to convince them that government places their own needs above those of the people.
It’s taken democrats decades to cultivate their crop. They’re looking forward to the harvest.
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March 10th, 2012
8:52 pm
Oops again.
Try to convince them that government DOESN’T place their own needs above those of the people.
Dusty
March 10th, 2012
8:56 pm
Well, I just reread Kyle’s piece and I might disagree somewhat on some things. For instance, when a political scientist like Charles Murray starts writing about “the state of White America”, he loses me right there. There is no “White America”. He’s just throwing out a bone to get some snarling. We are a “melting pot” and color is neutral.
From Google I read a comment from the NY Times which says the book “depicts members of white elites as hypocrits living in a bubble”. Oh, bubble bubble toil & trouble, Rich people used to live in castles. They don’t live in a bubble now. Rich just means you made or received more money and whatever comes with it is theirs. Not ours but theirs. They can live in a tipi is they so desire. I don’t care.
That has been true forever in case this political scientists doesn’t know it but he does. He also knows to publish a race & rich book when political fires are at full heat.
The rich are not our problem The fact that our country is short on riches, better know as money, is the problem. And we don’t send people to Washington to manage the US money when they have never managed much of their own. We TRY to send the brightest and the experienced to Washington and that is usually someone who could manage their finances.
Kyle has to read such books to keep “current”. I don’t have to be bothered. I’ll just bungle along without a political scientist to tell me what shade of Americans is doing what.
Linda
March 10th, 2012
9:06 pm
I knew when I read Kyle’s article Fri. night that liberals would have NO IDEA what it was about. I will comment on it tomorrow, but in the meantime, here’s a list of 160 definitions of liberals for those of you who are interested.
http://www.broowaha.com/articles/7348/how-liberal-are-you-just-a-progressive-or-even-a-communist
As a social conservative, I’m not inclined to speak badly about anyone, but liberals are worse than terrorists.
Linda
March 10th, 2012
9:17 pm
Ron White says we can’t fix stupid. Liberals, I agree.
Dusty
March 10th, 2012
9:29 pm
Ron White is a comedian, isn’t he?
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March 10th, 2012
9:29 pm
Hillbilly:
Thanks for the visual. I just removed a pork shoulder that’s been marinating for 20 hours and braising in the oven for 3 hours. The recipe called for a butt….I just couldn’t bring myself to braise a butt. The recipe is for Conchinita Pibil…a South American butt? There’s also a Boston butt, BUT I’ll not be speaking ill of the late Teddy Kennedy.
Hillbilly D
March 10th, 2012
9:42 pm
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If it’s pork, just fry it, you can’t go wrong no matter what part of the hog it is.
http://www.askthemeatman.com/hog_cuts_interactive_chart.htm
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March 10th, 2012
9:50 pm
O-:MG, Hillbilly!
I checked out that picture of a hog…pig…whatever. His butt is on his shoulders!!??!! So I did braise his butt (shoulder) today.
Turns out I’ve been eating the butt (rear end) whenever I eat ham.
Geez! The things I don’t know…
Hillbilly D
March 10th, 2012
9:54 pm
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If it’s big enough to kill it’s a hog. It’s safer to be a pig. (IW&SH)
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:56 pm
No one should be getting their panties in a wad about Murray’s book focusing on whites. Hid didn’t focus on whites because they’re “coming apart” any more or less than any other racial group. He focused on whites to avoid any of the effects he was studying being due to racial differences.
If you don’t believe me, just look up the unemployment rates for blacks and whites.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 10th, 2012
9:59 pm
Obozo: “I’m going to keep doing everything I can to help you save money on gas, both right now and in the future.”
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Well that’s just a flat out lie.
Obozo: Liar.
Michael H. Smith
March 10th, 2012
10:40 pm
The poor master of hate missed a very deep thought yours truly expressed previously in response to another comment made in regards to the politically liberal new upper class elite’s virtues of religiosity while ranting in the abyss. If only his malign of other’s intelligence could ever rise to equal his ego, perhaps then he wouldn’t feel their tin-ear had slighted his own eyes so dreadfully.
Churches in the traditional past were the community gathering places for white and black America, rich, middle and poor alike. Much of this “Coming Apart” as it is called can be traced to a departure from this tradition of community Church(the foundational bedrock) which maintained virtues: “marriage, industriousness, honesty and many others”.
Unfortunately, as Theologians would readily identify, this is the Church Age of Laodicea. Which is noted for being lukewarm, as it was cited for being neither hot or cold. Hence the earlier attributing of today’s churches to status of Country Clubs and Social Networks, no longer places where rich and poor worship one God, in one place, on the same level plain in a central commonality that reinforces transcending shared values and virtues.
Ron Paul made mention of a time in this country, while in one of the debates, when there was no Medicaid, Medicare including very little widespread company sponsored healthcare but nobody went without needed treatment.
Hard to believe?
Then again, how many today realize the close connection Catholics, Protestants and Baptists (the three major denominations in this country) have with schools, hospitals and clinics in this country?
Try telling people of this entitlement America now dependent on government, in many case for their daily bread that once upon a time, not much more than a half century ago, your local community church was the “Safety Net” in this country, which kept people from falling through the cracks so to speak. Yes, it was the churches who took care of the sick, the homeless, the widows and orphans. The community church was there when a new life entered this world and it was there when a life departed – A different kind of universal womb to tomb coverage than most would understand and even fewer appreciate.
People are readily quick to protest and rightly so to condemn any religious intrusions of churches into the role of our government. However, not so much as a mummer seems to have been heard while government invaded hallowed grounds beyond its’ Constitutional boundaries, into the role of Church.
getalife
March 10th, 2012
10:42 pm
@@,
You shut down Jay’s blog.
Dusty
March 10th, 2012
10:50 pm
Well, I am going to get a good night’s sleep in case middle class white Americans are also “coming apart”. You never know. I might just wake up in two pieces! And after losing an hour to daylight saving time.
I’ll let you know tomorrow. If it happens, I’ll be busy writing a book about it so politicians will know what to do. Keep in touch…
captguitarman
March 11th, 2012
3:01 am
M.H.Smirh @ 5:54 p.m. The double standard is not new. It should not shock you that Bill Maher can call any woman he chooses a slut, protstitute, or worse, and he will not be challenged or condemned by women in any way, as long as he is aiming his arrows at conservative women. This same type of double standard applies to blacks. Maher or any one of his ilk can call a conservative black man or woman anything he or she wants, including the N word, but usually Uncle Tom or something like that suffices. — and with no out cry and no retribution. Why? Because blacks and women OWE the Dem/Libs. They owe them for all the “great things” that liberalism has brought them over the decades — like four generations of welfare dependents, but let’s not go there right now. If you are a consersvative black or a conservative woman, you are obviously a TRAITOR to the “cause” and disillusioned, as well as delusional, to boot . . . and you are totally and completely FAIR GAME for any slander they want to throw your way. If Sarah Palin had been a Dem/Lib woman, she would be a holy and sainted martyr now for what she has gone through at the hands of the Dem/Libs and their lamestream media lackeys. Remember when Bill Clinton, the President of the United States, convinced a 20 year old girl to give him oral sex in the Oval office? Do you recall the indignant and huge out cry by the National Organization for Women (NOW)? Do you recall their outrage, their livid anger, their disgust, their frustration, their hatred and their stated inention to bring this guy down, and to bury him, to ruin him politically . . . forever? Do you recall that? No. Of course you don’t. Because it didn’t happen. NOW is a Dem/Lib organization. It was then and it is now, and it will be forever. When Clinton did that, they all collectively disappeared. They practically left the planet. Did you hear one word out of them? One little peep? No, not one. Clinton was THEIR guy. Now, what do you think their reaction would have been had Clinton been a Republican? The mind boggles at what they would have done to a sitting Republican President. Just look what they did to poor Clarence Thomas for far less, and based only upon the nutty testimony of an obvious woman scorned. She never could answer why she went back to Thomas for advice and counsel afer the alleged harrassemnt and “pubic hair on a coke can” incicent. Why? Because there was no harrassment. The Dem/Libs were desperate to keep a conservative black off of the Supreme Court and Anita Hill was their dupe. Double standard???? Do ya think? Do ya really think?? Like duh.
Michael H. Smith
March 11th, 2012
6:31 am
captguitarman
March 11th, 2012
3:01 am
The point was and remains reiteration, notwithstanding the drama, to say it over and over, again and again, for ever how long it takes to publicly nullify the duplicity. Sorry if you missed my intent – and what I really think – but thank you for making the point – once again
AU Liberal in ATL
March 11th, 2012
7:34 am
Where were you during the Reagan administration, Lil Buh Buh, in a cave, under a rock? Reagan’s government was bigger and more expensive than all the governments before him put together. He was not the man Noot and company would have you believe. He was popular on the right side of the aisle because he was likable and he had an R next to his name. It had absolutely nothing to do with his policies.
GT
March 11th, 2012
7:47 am
“By and large this New Upper Class is, Murray notes, politically liberal.”
I had taken the argument from Kyle’s observation that most of the elite rich are liberal, quoted from Charles Murray. First of all there is the loose use of the word liberal, then there is a reason behind what he is saying called education, the rich have access to real education. Just because you use an outhouse doesn’t make the toilet progressive to the general public. My question to Kyle is does poverty make you conservative or is it ignorance, which one came first?
GT
March 11th, 2012
8:01 am
Double standards also was the protection RL claimed in his defense. He claimed at first his comments were for humor. Rush is not a standup comedian though his work feeds a lot of other standup comedies with lots of good material, Bill Maher being one of them. Bill Maher, by the way is a true liberal, not the moderate like Obama, and really has helped the conservatives blur the reality of Obama’s message. RL is the professor in residence for the standards of the conservative movement. When he calls you a slut the whole ditto head nation now has license to use the word. I am just glad he didn’t use the n word, and set the country back another 100 years.
@@
March 11th, 2012
8:33 am
And oh, by the way, wages are falling under Obozo.
I can recall when employment was up under GWBush. What were the AJC’s leftists complaining about?
“They’re low-paying jobs, service industry jobs, part-time jobs. Some folks were having to work two/three jobs just to make ends meet.”
Now? Those same “low-paying jobs, service industry jobs, part-time jobs” are due to the miraculous efforts of one President Obama.
Michael H. Smith
March 11th, 2012
8:52 am
Some including those on the left consider Rush Limbaugh a clown. No real difference exist between Maher and Limbuagh, both are entertainers.
Where some may want to use “one against the other arguments”, as disingenuous people so often do: If it is wrong for one, it is wrong for all to use offensive unacceptable gender demeaning language. Only the morally bankrupt and intellectually deficient would defend this conduct regardless of its origin and worse NOT publicly denounce any duplicity of that fact.
Thankfully, as much as the leftwing nutjobs would like to make Rush Limbaugh the solitary voice of conservatism, he really isn’t: Though, I’m too, am glad he didn’t use the “N” word… regrettably Maher and those of his ilk have and do use the “N” word as well as other ethnocentric slurs that is too often accepted by those left, even embraced with frivolity and laughter rather than denounced in public outrage, as the duplicity of the current Marxist in the oval office reaffirms.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 11th, 2012
8:59 am
Michael H. Smith, your earlier attempt was not ignored, but it was dismissed as being too simplistic and lacking any background except your own faith.
Now, if you can make your case with any reason behind your blanket statement, I’d welcome it as a worthy attempt to add to the discussion.
Michael H. Smith
March 11th, 2012
9:00 am
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The only real good economic news is the reduction in government jobs.
Take real unemployment numbers like those found in U6 and put the cost of fuel and food back into the formula used to establish inflation figures, then you’ll get a reality check.
Michael H. Smith
March 11th, 2012
9:02 am
Hate master if your depth wasn’t so lacking you might merit another attempt.
Michael H. Smith
March 11th, 2012
9:08 am
Oh and by the way hate, your opinions don’t translate into some intellectual utopia. Historic facts of the role that churches have played in this country is in the least a matter of my faith, it is a matter public record.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 11th, 2012
9:14 am
Michael H. Smith, there is no question regarding the historical fact of the role churches have played in this country.
The question is regarding THIS issue, which you have not tied anything to except, again, your own faith without anything but that faith to back it up.
You have failed to step up your game. Faith is your crutch for virtually every argument, but faith is a belief, not a theory, which requires at least some facts to back it up.
So if this remains your theory, please do us all the courtesy of backing it up with something other than “I believe”.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 11th, 2012
9:22 am
And Michael, I always know when you’re losing an argument, when you start mocking posters by something other than their primary name.
For someone of alleged “faith” you don’t have a great deal of tolerance for other views.
Michael H. Smith
March 11th, 2012
9:32 am
“Murray devotes little of “Coming Apart” to identifying the causes of this stratification.
But he suggests one reason is the crowding out of social roles by government programs
Another is the New Upper Class does not preach what it practices. Lest they seem judgmental, our elites stay mum about behaviors they deem essential in their own lives. Murray calls them the “founding virtues”: marriage, industriousness, honesty, religiosity.”
First improve YOUR pitiful reading comprehension will you? What part of the above doesn’t tie in to the question of this “Coming Apart”?
And YOU have been completely dismissive of the role the Church has played in this country, one point made in my comment directly addressed the role Churches gave to uniting communities.
Therein is no theory, it is a matter of public record.
But if you like to contend differently to the facts go ahead with YOUR excellent beliefs.
Want to begin with disassociating churches from the civil rights movement?
Oh maybe, you can tell me there are no hospitals in this town with ties to churches or ties schools? Oh but of course, it will be easy for your beliefs to supply reasons to suggest that rich and poor black and white had no shared virtues e.g. industriousness, honesty, religiosity, in seeing these fictional institutions brought to a visible fruition?
Michael H. Smith
March 11th, 2012
9:34 am
Coming from someone that epitomizes intolerance you can be humorous on occasions.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 11th, 2012
9:43 am
Thanks for NOT playing, Michael H. Smith.
I suspect you failed every analytical course you ever took.
Michael H. Smith
March 11th, 2012
9:47 am
That’s your analytical mistake NOT mine.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 11th, 2012
10:09 am
US soldier kills 16 Afghan civilians
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I guess we have to ask if this is a leadership issue going all the way to the top.
Oops, never mind…that script was only operative during our President Bush’s administration.
Joe the Prophet
March 11th, 2012
10:23 am
Newt attacked my small business personally……I ferment algae for fuel, cosmetics, and medicine…..We are working on a solution for alzheimer’s with algae…..And he’s making a joke of it…!!!!! Screw you Newt….you adulterous loser….!!!!!!
Joe the Prophet
March 11th, 2012
10:25 am
Eeeeek…..Romney makes me cringe….!!!!!! Looks like a Gary Johnson Libertarian November…..
Maybe I’ll take up Reefers with Pat Robertson…….although that smell…..Smells like rope burning….But it’s better than polygamy and crazy planets with multiple Gods…..
mr buckley
March 11th, 2012
10:31 am
@ we do not know maher has a tv show that the left may call comedy but it is clearly political opinion thats why its revalant
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 11th, 2012
11:11 am
Reality, Joe the Prophet.
Try it sometime.
Rightwing Troll
March 11th, 2012
11:34 am
Thank you Michael Smith…
I’ve said it here many times… a church that can seat 10,000 in the hall of worship ( a monsterthedral) is not a church at all, and should not be treated as such. A 10,000+ strong congregation is not fellowship, it’s a mob…
Ackmed
March 11th, 2012
11:47 am
Greetings, infidels-
I have received thee urgent message from thee blessed iman, peace be upon him, to suspend his fatwa instructing us to stone to death little Iraqi children who don’t dress like us, the maggots. There has been a great and frightful crime committed upon the peoples of Afghani by the American crusaders. Thee iman has told us to hop up on our little horseys and ride to meet the hordes of US lib media “journalists” that will surely be coming to point all of their cameras at us and babble about Bushie. The iman also told us if we can’t find any dead bodies to parade around in front of them, then make some. Bunches of them, he says.
Giddee up, Thunder!
Duht dee duh lut, Duht dee duh lut, Duht dee duh lut, Duht dee duh lut, Duht dee duh lut, Duht dee duh lut.
Yo. Where are all thee lib media people at? It is so quite here.
chirp, chirp, chirp
Aahhh, here is a “reporter.” Quick everybody, grab a dead child and wail.
Terrible, isn’t it, missus reporterbabe?
What do you mean, How do I feel about Rick Santorum’s stance on contraception? Can you not see the dead baby I am holding? What is contraception, anyway?
Geez.
Oh well, back to Baghdaddy.
Rafe Hollister
March 11th, 2012
11:52 am
Rightwing Troll
A 10,000+ strong congregation is not fellowship, it’s a mob…
__________________________________________________
Unless, they are attending a mosque, right?
Seems the lefties are always preaching tolerance, but are the most intolerant of all. Religious bigotry has its home on the left side of the political spectrum, except for Islam. They support Islam, a religion that treats its female members much like goats or camels and advocates world domination, but they have no room for Catholics, Protestants, Jews, or the Mormons.
Perhaps, they follow the Koran teaching, an enemy of my enemy is a friend. After all doesn’t the Islamic world hate America, so it may be shared values.
@@
March 11th, 2012
12:52 pm
A 10,000+ strong congregation is not fellowship, it’s a mob…
The black mega-churches here in Clayton County would resent that label. We’ve got several. If I’m not mistaken there are more churches in Clayton County than any of the other metro counties.
Jonesboro Baptist has a huge congregation. Their community outreach is immeasurable. Then there’s the Truett Cathy family, members, whose personal contributions outside the church are always ongoing.
@@
March 11th, 2012
12:58 pm
BERN, Switzerland (AP) – Who turns down a long vacation? Known for their work ethic, Swiss citizens appear to be leading the way on European austerity, rejecting a minimum six weeks paid holiday a year.
Swiss polls closed Sunday on several national referendums, including one pushed by a union to raise the minimum holiday from four weeks to the standard used in Germany, Italy, Russia and other European nations.
Kewl!
getalife
March 11th, 2012
1:22 pm
“Ex-Palin adviser: Movie ‘true enough to make me squirm’”
Watched it last night.
Pretty good movie.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 11th, 2012
1:58 pm
Notice how there are no Cons ate up enough to make a movie about Nasty Pelosi? Or even watch one?
We’ve got better things to do, just sayin…
getalife
March 11th, 2012
2:21 pm
You mean Speaker Pelosi Andy.
You will lose the house this cycle so show her some respect.
getalife
March 11th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Ken Griffin, Billionaire Romney Backer, Says Super Rich Have ‘An Insufficient Influence’ On Politics” Aol.
Whopper of a lie.
The newt is right.
willard lies.
@@
March 11th, 2012
2:38 pm
So Obama’s not gonna share his campaign contributions with his dem cohorts….those struggling for re-election?
A greedy billionaire.
schnirt
@@
March 11th, 2012
2:43 pm
New law stops injustice of paying alimony forever
There’s some gender equality for ‘ya, ladies!!! Social justice if that’s your game.
getalife
March 11th, 2012
2:43 pm
When did our President become a billionaire @@?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 11th, 2012
2:48 pm
Obozo thinks anyone who makes over $250K is a billionaire.
The guy who sits in our Oval Office makes $400K a year.
By Obozo’s own definition, he’s a billionaire.
See how retarded your Idiot Messiah is?
getalife
March 11th, 2012
2:49 pm
lil bar.
Lies.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 11th, 2012
2:50 pm
Yeah, I know, Obozo tells lots of them.
getalife
March 11th, 2012
2:52 pm
willard does nothing but lie so he fits in perfectly with you lil bar.
@@
March 11th, 2012
2:52 pm
Getalife:
Didn’t he say he was gonna take in a billion for his campaign?
This should get interesting:
As a fathers’ and family rights advocate for 27 years, I am in agreement with Tom Leustak about the new alimony bills working their way through the New Jersey Legislature. Alimony has seen its better days, with both parties working full-time jobs and securing their careers.
Permanent alimony reeks of peonage and forced labor, prohibited by Federal Laws under Title 18 U.S.C. Sections 1581 and 1589, and is an abomination that must be eliminated completely.
Peonage? Forced labor?
Didn’t marry a divorced man…never been divorced. But in some ways…I can identify. I feel his pain.
getalife
March 11th, 2012
2:56 pm
@@,
The election is tainted with unlimited donations thanks to our sc.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 11th, 2012
2:59 pm
Now now gotnoclue, isn’t it a bit early to start rationalizing your November loss?
When Obozo loses, Americans win.
getalife
March 11th, 2012
3:07 pm
You cons keep carrying that billionaire water until they have all the money.
Pitiful.
getalife
March 11th, 2012
3:30 pm
The me generation is the first generation that gave your children no chance to do better than you yet you keep fighting for this fact.
Why do you do this to your children?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 11th, 2012
4:57 pm
So which one do you think the dummycrats are hot after?
Solar, of course.
Have you ever met a peoples so blatantly stupid?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 11th, 2012
4:59 pm
The Energy Information Administration estimates the cost of generating a megawatt hour of electricity from a new plant would be 66 cents from plants powered by natural gas; 86 cents from hydro; 95 cents from coal; 97 cents from wind; $1.13 from biomass; $1.14 from nuclear, and $3.12 from solar thermal.
So which one do you think the dummycrats are hot after?
Solar, of course.
Have you ever met a peoples so blatantly stupid?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 11th, 2012
5:10 pm
As al Qaeda butchers it’s way across the Arab Spring, courtesy of obozo’s willful negligence, issuing fatwas to have women hung, shot, maimed, stoned, raped, mutilated, defiled and other forms of slaughter, who does the lamestream lib media have issues with?
Rick Santorum, otherwise known as harmless.
Such brave souls they are.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 11th, 2012
5:17 pm
It’s a two-fer, I Report, since a bunch of Christians are dying or getting displaced too.
Say, doesn’t Obozo pretend to be a Christian?
getalife
March 11th, 2012
5:42 pm
Our President uses them all resources on energy andy.
The freedom from the Arab Spring is up to their people to decide.
Not us andy.
You are still dead wrong about everything so you are consistently wrong.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 11th, 2012
6:22 pm
“The freedom from the Arab Spring is up to their people to decide.”
Except when it comes to Libya.
Rafe Hollister
March 11th, 2012
7:24 pm
Arab Spring = inmates now in charge of 7th century asylum.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 11th, 2012
7:33 pm
obozo didn’t have any apprehensions manning up against the Catholic Church, just sayin…
getalife
March 11th, 2012
7:48 pm
AQ crushed, obl double tapped, daffy dead.
Yeah, our President does man up.
getalife
March 11th, 2012
7:59 pm
Y’all want to compare drone attacks .
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 11th, 2012
8:35 pm
Officials and human rights groups estimated as many as 58 Iraqis who are either gay or believed to be gay have been killed in the last six weeks alone – forecasting what experts fear is a return to the rampant hate crimes against homosexuals in 2009. This year, eyewitnesses and human rights groups say some of the victims have been bludgeoned to death by militiamen smashing in their skulls with heavy cement blocks.
The dummycrats want you to believe that al Qaeda is “crushed” so that their messiah obozo, giver of all things shiny and miniscule, will get more votes but I’m pretty sure, al Qaeda is the one doing the crushing, uh, just sayin…
getalife
March 11th, 2012
8:49 pm
It is up to the Iraqis now andy.
We are out of there as promised.
The gop are weak on national security.
They cower to a radio entertainer and con radicals.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 11th, 2012
8:49 pm
Genuine challenge for elite pols: Keep us from ‘coming apart’
5:20 pm March 9, 2012, by Kyle Wingfield
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Democrat pols are the biggest part of why we’re coming apart. Not sure why we should be looking to them for help getting out of the mess they got us into.
What we need to to is minimize their ability to impact our lives.
Government and libtards are the problem. Freedom is the solution.
getalife
March 11th, 2012
8:53 pm
lil bar,
willard is running a ad saying sanitarium raised the deficit 5 times and wasted our money on the bridge to nowhere.
He is a con.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 11th, 2012
8:57 pm
Sorry, no one to have ever walked this earth has accumulated more debt than Obozo. $6 trillion in four years. Heck, our President Bush only increased the debt $4.9 trillion, and that was in eight years.
Obozo: Inferior to our President Bush.
Obozo: Worst Ever.
hryder
March 11th, 2012
9:32 pm
Vote against all incumbent elected office holders in the November elections. There are a few out there who understand that “liberals” rarely will ever spend personal funds to aid others if there is the slightest possibility that tax payers funds or any other funds are available. They will than lay claim for their personal largesse, sympathy, and willingness to aid those who are unfortunate and in need through no fault of their own. This is the usual modus operandi or B.S., M.S., and Ph.D(male bovine fecal matter, more ——–, and piled higher and deeper). AAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
Tealiban Party
March 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
Here is some awesome reading for both sides….
One of the plaintiffs against President Obama’s healthcare bill which is now in the Supreme Court, is declaring bankruptcy. This includes bills for healthcare. Seems she doesn’t like the mandate but she likes others paying for her healthcare bills.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-health-law-plaintiff-20120311,0,3670021.story
WaitAMinute
March 12th, 2012
6:36 am
Obozo? Is that a new name for mittens?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
7:16 am
“Seems she doesn’t like the mandate but she likes others paying for her healthcare bills.”
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The supreme court will be deciding the case based on the constitution, not on the personal circumstances of any of the plaintiffs. It’s that whole “nation of laws” thing tripping up the know-nothing libtards again.
tireofit
March 12th, 2012
7:31 am
Free Markets at work: “To all Traffic Managers: The information below applies to your Premiere Radio Networks commercial inventory. They’ve specifically asked that you schedule their commercials in dayparts or programs free of content that you know are deemed to be offensive or controversial (for example, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Leykis, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity).’
HDB
March 12th, 2012
7:46 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
7:16 am
….from the Constitution…..
“Section 8 – Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”
…and….
“To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States…..”
In this case, health care would fall under the “general welfare” part of the Constitution…if so, it would be deemed CONSTITUTIONAL……..
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
7:52 am
Keep dreaming, HDB. The constitution also enumerates the powers of the federal government to do so, and much to the dismay of little tyrants throughout the Democrat party, forcing people to purchase products isn’t one of them.
You will lose. Which means Americans and liberty will win.
HDB
March 12th, 2012
8:02 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
7:52 am
Don’t be too sure……
….from the NY TImes:
“It always surprises me to see how many people claim that the Commerce Clause can’t govern health care. The operation of every health care facility in this country — from a doctor’s office to a major hospital — is directly controlled by interstate insurance companies, an interstate body of health care professionals produced by educational institutions that serve a national clientele, interstate providers of medical supplies and equipment, and federal laws and standards that regulate all those people, schools, and companies.
The notion that any state is capable of providing and regulating its own self-contained healthcare system is pure fantasy.”
…and…
“Opposition to the Health Care Act claims that it is unconstitutional to force people to buy health care insurance. The question that begs to be asked is why should the rest of us be required to pay for those who are uninsured? If the goal is to be independent and free of big government involvement than why do we pay billions more for healthcare because the cost of covering the uninsured is priced into our care? So big government cannot dictate to us but big business can?”
These two points should be the focus of the issue….and due to these two….HCR will be constitutional….
Rafe Hollister
March 12th, 2012
8:25 am
HDB
It is unconstitutional. If the Gov is so powerful they can force you to buy health insurance, because it is good for you and the common welfare then you can infer that they can force you to buy a Chevy volt for the same reasons.
Anyway, won’t matter one whit when we get a Rep President, who will sign the repeal. The votes are there, just need someone who will not veto the bill.
saywhat?
March 12th, 2012
8:28 am
You know what would REALLY bring America together again? More tax cuts for the rich! After all, haven’t they suffered enough? If we could make just a few more billionaires really, really happy, wouldn’t that make all of us happy?
saywhat?
March 12th, 2012
8:32 am
You know what else would bring Amercans together? If we could only once again allow private insurance companies to start kicking people off their rolls for a “pre-exsiting condition” like acne, when they make a claim for colon cancer. That would be the ticket.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
8:38 am
The question that begs to be asked is why should the rest of us be required to pay for those who are uninsured? If the goal is to be independent and free of big government involvement than why do we pay billions more for healthcare because the cost of covering the uninsured is priced into our care? So big government cannot dictate to us but big business can?
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Those are very good questions. The answer is that it is government, not business, that requires that everyone get healthcare even if they can’t pay, and therefore it is government that causes health insurance costs to be higher than necessary.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
8:41 am
If the government can do whatever they think is necessary to promote the general welfare, what powers does the government NOT have?
The Democrat wet dream: The ability to control others lives completely.
F’off, liberal fascists.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
8:46 am
More tax cuts for the rich!
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Who signed the bill extending them in late 2010?
HDB
March 12th, 2012
9:27 am
Rafe Hollister
March 12th, 2012
8:25 am
“If the Gov is so powerful they can force you to buy health insurance……”
Question: if the individual mandate (a Republican idea, by the way!) is held as constitutional in one state….and the US Constitution mandates that all contracts in one state be recognized in ALL.then why wouldn’t the individual mandate be viewed as constitutional in all 50 states??
“Anyway, won’t matter one whit when we get a Rep President, who will sign the repeal. The votes are there, just need someone who will not veto the bill.”
Contingent upon control of the Senate…..if the Democrats maintain the Senate, the repeal will die…..
HDB
March 12th, 2012
9:31 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
8:46 am
“More tax cuts for the rich! ——– Who signed the bill extending them in late 2010?”
Questions: Who held the nation hostage by not passing a clean bill extending unemployment insurance…and desiring to create a depression?? Who ties the continuation of the tax breaks to extending unemployment insurance??
The Republican wet dream: The ability to control others lives completely by stating that their view is the ONLY view. (Fixed that for you!)
Ernest T. Bass
March 12th, 2012
9:34 am
I find it somewhat humorous that the son of a single mother and who needed food stamps while growing up is considered a member of the “elite” by the Republican Party, while the son of a President and grandson of a US Senator was considered to be a “regular” guy.
Dont be. They have been doing that sort of thing for years.
For example John kerry who fought for his country in Vietnam. He was a sissy.
George Bush who was a coward and had his daddy get him out of the war. He was a man’s man to them.
Its a level of doublethink George Orwell couldn’t have imagined.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
9:37 am
The Republicans aren’t requiring anyone to purchase a product, HDB.
I understand your desire to change the subject from your failed attempt to explain the general welfare clause, though!
I win.
Jefferson
March 12th, 2012
9:37 am
The other problem with the GOP other than not being creditable is they have this weasel approach to things they don’t like. They act like weasels.
Ernest T. Bass
March 12th, 2012
9:38 am
Anyway, won’t matter one whit when we get a Rep President, who will sign the repeal. The votes are there, just need someone who will not veto the bill.
Its not nearly that easy.
1. No way the Republicans win this November. Romney wont excite the base and Santorum is unelectable in the general election.
2. Universal Healthcare is here to stay like it or not. Im glad because the countries who do have Universal Healthcare have a much better healthcare system than ours.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
9:39 am
“Regular guys” don’t take their family to Martha’s Vineyard on multiple private jets.
DawgDad
March 12th, 2012
9:39 am
“For example John kerry who fought for his country in Vietnam. He was a sissy.”
You are being VERY intellectually dishonest. People aren’t down on Kerry because he “fought for his country in Vietnam”, and you know it.
Joe the Prophet
March 12th, 2012
9:40 am
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 11th, 2012
11:11 am
Reality, Joe the Prophet.
Try it sometime.
——————————————–
Trying to make the world a better place….trying to help someone besides yourself….
Try it sometime…
HDB
March 12th, 2012
9:41 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
9:37 am
“The Republicans aren’t requiring anyone to purchase a product, HDB”
Really…then whose idea was the individual mandate…and what candidadtes SUPPORTED the same? (Hint: Romney, Gingrich…)
…from the NYTimes………..
Conservatives Sowed Idea of Health Care Mandate, Only to Spurn It Later
By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: February 14, 2012
It can be difficult to remember now, given the ferocity with which many Republicans assail it as an attack on freedom, but the provision in President Obama’s health care law requiring all Americans to buy health insurance has its roots in conservative thinking.
The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage was fleshed out more than two decades ago by a number of conservative economists, embraced by scholars at conservative research groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, and championed, for a time, by Republicans in the Senate.
The individual mandate, as it is known, was seen then as a conservative alternative to some of the health care approaches favored by liberals — like creating a national health service or requiring employers to provide health coverage.
“In 1993, in fighting ‘Hillarycare,’ virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do,” Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, said at a debate in December, casting his past support of a mandate as an antidote to the health care overhaul proposed by Hillary Rodham Clinton during her husband’s administration. “
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
9:46 am
The Republican wet dream: The ability to control others lives completely by stating that their view is the ONLY view.
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Is that all it takes to control you?
Doesn’t seem nearly as effective as using the federal government to impose things on folks, like requiring them to purchase a product from big business.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
9:48 am
How many Republicans voted for the individual mandate in Obozocare?
I win again. This is just too easy.
Ernest T. Bass
March 12th, 2012
9:56 am
You are being VERY intellectually dishonest. People aren’t down on Kerry because he “fought for his country in Vietnam”, and you know it.
I didn’t say that at all. I don’t expect you to get the context and the point. That’s ok.
Have to go now. Unless most of the cons on this blog I actually have a job and don’t just sit on it all day.
I will say this. Until the level of education goes up in the south they will continue to vote Republican. You can almost look at a map and the lower the education level of that state and the lower the number of college graduates the more likely its a red state.
HDB
March 12th, 2012
9:58 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
9:48 am
You lose…..who was the Republican ADVOCATE and CREATOR of the individual mandate??
Hint…..from the Weekly Standard:
Did Romney Support a Federal Mandate During the Obamacare Debate?
9:01 AM, Mar 3, 2012 •
As BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski reports, USA Today published a health care op-ed by Mitt Romney on July 30, 2009 — just days before the start of the August recess that quickly became the August uprising against Obamacare. In his op-ed, Romney seems to encourage President Obama to move in a slower and more bipartisan manner, to abandon his planned government-run “public option” (which, under constituent pressure, the Democrats eventually did scrap), to use Romney’s Massachusetts health care overhaul as something of a model, and (as a way to keep Obamacare’s costs down) to include a federal mandate.
Romney wrote:
“Health care is simply too important to the economy, to employment and to America’s families to be larded up and rushed through [Congress] on an artificial deadline. There’s a better way. And the lessons we learned in Massachusetts could help Washington find it.
“No other state has made as much progress in covering their uninsured as Massachusetts….Shortly after becoming governor, I worked in a bipartisan fashion with Democrats to insure all our citizens….For health care reform to succeed in Washington, the president must finally do what he promised during the campaign: Work with Republicans as well as Democrats.
“Massachusetts also proved that you don’t need government insurance. Our citizens purchase private…insurance. There is no ‘public option.’…
Ernest T. Bass
March 12th, 2012
9:58 am
How many Republicans voted for the individual mandate in Obozocare?
Zero
And they will be remembered very harshly for that fact.
HDB
March 12th, 2012
11:08 am
LBB…an interesting argument from the NYTimes…one reason that HCR will be constitutional:
“It is tempting to shout states’ rights when deeply flawed federal legislation is enacted, but the momentary satisfactions of that exercise carry long-term constitutional costs. Badly conceived bills die a thousand political deaths — in the appropriations process, in the states, through electoral retribution, in the executive appointments of a succeeding administration and ultimately in amendment and repeal. However, if courts read the Constitution in such a way that it enables them to make Congress ineffectual, and instead to promote 50 state regulatory regimes in an era of rapidly mounting global challenges, the risks should escape no one. Making our charter more parochial while other nations flex their economic muscle seems like poor timing. “
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
11:17 am
Nice try, but the individual mandate isn’t being argued on states rights grounds.
Just another HDB red herring!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 12th, 2012
11:20 am
Zero
And they will be remembered very harshly for that fact.
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You realize we had an election in 2010, right? Some called it a “shellacking”.