More evidence Obamacare is a nightmare for taxpayers
In October, the Obama administration acknowledged that the portion of Obamacare that contributed the most deficit “reduction” — the CLASS Act, which created a new long-term care entitlement and allegedly was going to reduce deficits by $86 billion between 2012 and 2021 — was unworkable. The House this month voted to repeal the law, while the White House seeks a way to fix it. But the clear bottom line was that more than two-thirds of the $124 billion in promised deficit “savings” during these 10 years was unlikely ever to materialize.
Now, President Obama’s new budget finishes off the always-ludicrous notion that he could create a new, $1 trillion-a-decade entitlement and somehow reduce deficits. Avik Roy reports at Forbes:
The White House’s fiscal year 2013 budget adds $111 billion in exchange spending between 2014 and 2021, with even more spending to come in future years. … In 2021 alone, the difference between the two budgets is almost $20 billion, implying that exchange spending will be up by over $200 billion in the decade following 2021.
For the math-challenged: Subtracting $86 billion and $111 billion from an alleged deficit reduction of $124 billion equals a deficit increase of $73 billion. And this is the best-case scenario, as Roy goes on to explain:
If businesses do what the new health law clearly incentivizes them to do, exchange spending could be up by over $2 trillion in the decade following 2021.
The incentive to which Roy refers is the fact that Obamacare makes it relatively cheaper for employers to dump their health coverage, pay a fine and let employees use federal subsidies to buy health insurance in the federally mandated exchanges.
The costs for the most reckless piece of federal law in at least a generation only continue to rise, just as all of us who opposed Obamacare predicted. And the forecasts are only going to get worse with each passing year, if only because we are now burning through the years when Obamacare front-loaded new tax revenues before really adding new spending; that was another of the budgetary ruses Democrats used to create the fiction that Obamacare was fiscally responsible.
It is increasingly clear that taking the law completely off the books is the only way to avoid a true fiscal catastrophe.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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ByteMe
March 5th, 2012
5:59 am
We’re DOOOOMED!!!!!
Of course, Romneycare would have been better, if only we had done that instead.
Ayn Rant
March 5th, 2012
6:18 am
There are many useful features of the Affordable Health Care Act, but one glaring deficiency: the failure to provide a public option similiar to Medicare, which removes the useless premium-stripping insurance companies from the front of the health care process to the back.
The Romney plan and “insurance exchanges” are legislative ploys to prolong the role of the insurance companies as middlemen bewteen the patients and the health care providers.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
6:26 am
Ayn Rant: The Obozo plan and “insurance exchanges” are Democrat ploys to prolong the big-government liberals illusion that the free market is guiding health care spending decisions, while in fact all coverage requirements and pricing are determined by the federal government. The Obozo plan is one big Marxist camel’s nose under the free market tent.
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Fixed.
ByteMe
March 5th, 2012
6:31 am
The Obozo plan and “insurance exchanges” are Democrat ploys to prolong the big-government
L’il Barry once again ignores historical facts to push his ridiculous viewpoint. That’s ok, we understand you well at this point.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
6:35 am
There’s not much “history” on the Obozo plan yet, just the ugly present reality. Your Idiot Klown Obozo lied about the costs and so-called “deficit reduction” his health care power grab were going to produce.
As with so many government programs, the costs are certain to be higher than estimated, and the benefits lower and slower in coming. Meanwhile, Obozo’s statement that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” is also proved to be a lie, since the government decides what a health care plan must cover and how much it shall cost. The plans a huge majority of Americans liked no longer exist.
Obozo: Liar. Marxist.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
6:40 am
With any luck at all, the Supreme Court will make all this academic. These latest revelations about the early failures of various parts of Obozocare won’t help big government make their case.
jconservative
March 5th, 2012
6:40 am
“…the always-ludicrous notion that he could create a new, $1 trillion-a-decade entitlement and somehow reduce deficits.”
This is also a nice description of the Bush Medicare Part D drug plan.
Ronnie Raygun
March 5th, 2012
6:49 am
If you really want to see something that balloons the National Debt, take a look at Romney or Santorum’s proposed budgets. More tax cuts and borrowing that go us into this budgetary mess in the first place.
DeborahinAthens
March 5th, 2012
7:02 am
After the politicians ripped the plan apart and cobbled a Frankenstein monster that in no way resembles the oroginal health care plan just seems to go over the heads of the brain challenged. We need a single payer healthcare plan with mandatory participation. Even Newt Gingrinch in on of his lucid moments proposed mandatory health insurance. For those of you that can’t understand how insurance works…the bigger the pool of lives that are insured, the lower the insurance costs. That’s why group health care is more affordable. If everyone was forced to buy healthcare insurance, then we would not have such a high percentage of uninsureds showing up at emergency rooms for treatment (which is the most expensive care available) . Eventually the costs of healthcare would fall. The Repugs keep repeating over and over that we have the best healthcare in the world…that is BS and everyone knows it. We have millions of people that cannot get access to life saving surgeries, or proper preventative care. Millions of people lose everything they have because they can’t afford to pay for healthcare and are hit with a disease or are in an accident. The docs and hospitals will take care of you til the health insurance runs out. If you work your whole life and have health insurance, then get Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s, you couldn’t have even gotten health insurance before Obamacare kicked in. Now you can’t be turned down if you leave work because of an illness.
Road Scholar
March 5th, 2012
7:04 am
A bigger “nightmare for the taxpayer” is electing the current crop of Repub candidates. Based on Newts $2.50 a gal gas, and Romney’s 20% tax cut, and Santorums.. well just everything..these guys are pandering to the masses. Someone posted this the other day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoDlFJtaYvU
We need straight talkers; right now President Obama is my pick.
Becky
March 5th, 2012
7:13 am
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
ByteMe
March 5th, 2012
7:14 am
There’s not much “history” on the Obozo plan yet, just the ugly present reality. Your Idiot Klown Obozo
Sure there is. Look at Massachusetts, which has basically the same plan in place and has been for several years and it works for them. The Heritage Foundation — that bastion of Conservative thought — decided 15 years ago that the individual mandate was the right way to go. You just hate reality that conflicts with your viewpoint and need to name-call to make yourself feel better. We ALL totally understand you.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:16 am
Perhaps you’d care to comment on the facts Kyle has presented for your consideration.
Didn’t think so.
Becky
March 5th, 2012
7:17 am
I’m wondering how much Kyle paid out of his pocket for the recent delivery of his child. Perhaps he has insurance through his job? But what if he was laid off and had no insurance. What then Kyle? It is always easy to moan about the cost of universal health care when you are already covered but what would happen if you were laid off? Could you afford $1000/month premiums with no job?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:19 am
“deficit reduction of $124 billion [versus] a deficit increase of $73 billion”
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Comment?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:20 am
We already had health insurance for those who couldn’t afford it. It’s called Medicaid.
Next.
ByteMe
March 5th, 2012
7:23 am
We already had health insurance for those who couldn’t afford it. It’s called Medicaid.
And where do you think the funding is coming from for providing health insurance to lots more uninsured people when the mandates kick in in 2014?
Medicaid.
Next.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:25 am
That’s just it–the federal government is expanding Medicaid to cover a bunch of folks who aren’t poor. Part of the goal is to get more and more able-bodied working age people addicted to government handouts. These folks should be, and could be, purchasing their own health insurance.
Handout Nation: Obozo’s desired endgame.
Next.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:26 am
Comment on Kyle’s post, ByteMe. Your deflection is telling.
Road Scholar
March 5th, 2012
7:27 am
ByteMe: “And where do you think …”
Please remember who you are responding to!
ByteMe
March 5th, 2012
7:29 am
Comment on Kyle’s post, ByteMe.
I already have. Several times. You just failed to notice.
Part of the goal is to get more and more able-bodied working age people addicted to government handouts.
Your paranoia is showing. Put some clothes on.
SMH
March 5th, 2012
7:30 am
It’s funny how half the people complaining about Obamacare doesnt even have health insurance. You should be glad someone is trying to help your ignorant a@@! Stop hating him because he is better than the clowns you all have on your ticket.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:31 am
No, ByteMe, you’ve not commented on Kyle’s post. You’re too busy trying to find other things to distract attention from the ugly truth. You have nothing.
man behind the curtain
March 5th, 2012
7:31 am
Here’s a fact. “Socialist” countries, like France, which earn some of the highest rating for quality and access to healthcare, and cover all of their citizens universally, spend a fraction of what the US spends per capita on healthcare. We all should know by now where we rank according to the WHO criteria.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:33 am
man behind the curtain: I have nothing, either. Can’t comment on Kyle’s post.
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Fixed.
ByteMe
March 5th, 2012
7:35 am
No, ByteMe, you’ve not commented on Kyle’s post
Of course, I did. First post on the page. You just decided that it was snark instead of a logically thought-out response to Kyle’s cherry-picking of facts to support the outcome he decided two years ago.
man behind the curtain
March 5th, 2012
7:36 am
“deficit reduction of $124 billion [versus] a deficit increase of $73 billion”
Sounds like a pretty good deal if it gets us closedr to universal coverage.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:36 am
Where’s the deficit reduction Obozo promised?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:37 am
Try reading the post, man. We’re getting a deficit increase. We were promised a defict reduction.
Oopsies.
man behind the curtain
March 5th, 2012
7:41 am
And the Iraq war was gonna cost us 50 billion.
Oopsies.
ByteMe
March 5th, 2012
7:42 am
We were promised a defict reduction.
And we were promised that the cost of the Iraq war would be borne through the oil that Iraq would pay us with.
It didn’t come true. I’m SHOCKED!
A $73 billion (over 10 years) deficit is pocket change in a multi-trillion-dollar enterprise as big as the government. It’s a rounding error. We’re DOOOOOOMED!!!!
Road Scholar
March 5th, 2012
7:50 am
And the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms! Where was the love?
Finn McCool
March 5th, 2012
7:52 am
taking the law completely off the books
Never going to happen. Get used to it and learn to work WITH it.
JohnnyReb
March 5th, 2012
7:56 am
I’m sure Obama will fix this with money from his “stash.” Obama Obama
Really?
March 5th, 2012
8:05 am
and the Iraq war will pay for itself with the oil we will get from it–Dubya
oopsies
Becky
March 5th, 2012
8:07 am
Don’t let facts get in the way of your vitriol.
Brosephus
March 5th, 2012
8:10 am
The incentive to which Roy refers is the fact that Obamacare makes it relatively cheaper for employers to dump their health coverage, pay a fine and let employees use federal subsidies to buy health insurance in the federally mandated exchanges.
Sounds like a double giveaway to business, if you ask me. Insurance companies see a boost in profits because of an unlimited and neverending supply of customers. Other businesses see a boost in profits because the “penalty” would obviously be less than the amount used to pay for insurance costs. Seems like the ACA is a backdoor attempt at boosting the economy, and people say Obama’s anti-business.
David D
March 5th, 2012
8:16 am
This blog is blatantly untrue.
ByteMe
March 5th, 2012
8:18 am
Seems like the ACA is a backdoor attempt at boosting the economy, and people say Obama’s anti-business
Permanently separating health care responsibilities from business is pro-business. But Republicans were just fine with the status quo, even if the majority of Americans were not. Remember that this November.
JohnnyReb
March 5th, 2012
8:18 am
America has become too soft. With no military draft, young men with no mentor never find their way. Women are too busy proving their independence. Special interest groups have their desires above that of common good. In a different time, an administration who forced through a bill like Obamacare, and now want to trample religious freedom under the lies of denying women access to birth control, would have been met with a swift slap to put them back in line. But now, with half the country on the dole and so many people simply in it for themselves, they stupidly vote for a man who wants to undo our greatness in the name of spreading the wealth.
Becky
March 5th, 2012
8:25 am
jreb-I’ll wager you have a confederate flag on the front of your beater truck.
Edward
March 5th, 2012
8:26 am
I guess Kyle really does admire Newt, he twists and spins lies with almost the same dexterity.
Tall
March 5th, 2012
8:30 am
…” Millions of people lose everything they have because they can’t afford to pay for healthcare and are hit with a disease or are in an accident….
Millions of people? Really? The entire nation will be bankrupted trying to pay for this thing.
carlosgvv
March 5th, 2012
8:34 am
Predatory Capitalism was it’s most greed-ridden height in the late 1800s when laissez-faire(meaning to let alone) was our Government’s policy towards Business. Ever since this ended Business has been trying mightly to bring this back to reality. They finally realized to way to succeed in this was to own the political parties. They now totally own the Republicans. Obamacare will benefit the people and cost Business some of their obsene profits. So, Republicans do what their corporate masters tell them and oppose Obamacare anyway they can. They do this by deceptions, distortions and outright lies. They also count on their “useful idiots” as shown by some of the posts here. Money talks and their greed knows no bounds. If they succeed in owning the Democrats also, our financial lives will be even more miserable than now.
Chip
March 5th, 2012
8:36 am
At this point… anyone who actually believes ObamaCare is about anyone’s health is a self-deluding fool… or at best just hopelessly naive.
Becky
March 5th, 2012
8:40 am
Well Chip-please enlighten us naive souls.
Will
March 5th, 2012
8:42 am
As a well connected republican newspaper writer, I have a question for you.
All the republican politicans running for president faithfully promise to “repeal Obamacare”. I think the thrice divorce, self-confessed adulterer has promised to do this before he leaves the inaugaration podium, right after he stops the limo to buy some of his $2.50 gas on the way back to White House. The key here is that they are “promising” to do this, not promising to “try” to do this.
Here is my question – how will they do this without congressional approval and how will they get the 48-50 democrat senators to cut off debate and allow a vote on this repeal?
When the dust settles from the November election, Congress will be even more partisan, especially in the Senate where 3-5 of the remaining moderates are most likely to lose and 1-2 of what can be called republican moderate seats will also be vacated.
I suspect that the 48-50 democrat senators will be in a permanent “payback” mode when the new republican president comes aboard. Congress will continue to be the “no” branch of government, regardless of who sits in the executive chair next January.
So……do you think the republican politicians running for president do not know this or do you think they do know this and are simply promising to do something that they cannot deliver only to get more votes and hope that their voters will accept their “don’t blame me, I tried” excuse?
Me too.
bluecoat
March 5th, 2012
8:55 am
If You can fight 2 wars.Furnish part D supplement without any money.I do not see why Obama care can’t do the same.You just continue the trickle down trait.Let the next generation/administration do the paying.At some point in time China will stop furnishing the money,the dollar becomes worthless.(Mission Accomplished)
Typical Liberal Blogger
March 5th, 2012
8:57 am
Obamacare good hmmmkay! I don’t have a clue what it will cost me monthly, but it’s good hmmkay! It’s gonna be just as good as Social Security and the post office hmmkay.
jj
March 5th, 2012
9:01 am
I work for a privately held company and our premiums went up $850,000 just to cover the “up to 25 year old” portion of the new health care legislation. More savings brought to you by the government.
saywhat?
March 5th, 2012
9:02 am
Will,
That would be a good question except for two things-
1) All the Republican contenders are “say anything to get elected” types
2) None of them will win the general election anyway.
dbm
March 5th, 2012
9:03 am
@ carlosgvv
March 5th, 2012
8:34 am
There was already a lot of government interference in the late 1800’s. In particular, there were tariffs, and there had been heavy government subsidies distorting the railroad business.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
9:03 am
At some point in time China will stop furnishing the money,the dollar becomes worthless.
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Thanks, Democrats.
Obozo doesn’t care if the dollar becomes worthless–his parasite base doesn’t have any.
clyde
March 5th, 2012
9:14 am
Obama care will be a permanent disaster after the coming election.
Jefferson
March 5th, 2012
9:14 am
You had a choice, you made the wrong one. Newt supporters have zero credibility.
Just saying..
March 5th, 2012
9:14 am
Political commentary from Kyle Wingfield:
-”Obama is bad”
-”Obama is bad”
-”Obama is bad”
-”Obama is bad”
-”Obama is bad”
-”Obama is bad”
-”Obama is bad”
and so forth…
Tall
March 5th, 2012
9:16 am
….”As a well connected republican newspaper writer, I have a question for you….Hmmm…..I’m not so sure I believe that.
bluecoat
March 5th, 2012
9:19 am
Obamas parasite base.Have no money lose no money.Romney parasite base,take from middle class,to add to 1%.Creating more Obama base to vote for Obama.Less green,red fades,blue becomes color.
bluecoat
March 5th, 2012
9:25 am
Obamacare copied Romneycare including all the lies.Democrats do not have a patent on lies.Mission accomplished.
bali high
March 5th, 2012
9:26 am
So many experts, so many dummies, Wait until you get sick .
carlosgvv
March 5th, 2012
9:32 am
dbm – 9:03
True. History shows that when Big Business and Govt. get into bed together, the American people always suffer.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
9:32 am
“If businesses do what [Obozo] clearly incentivizes them to do, exchange spending could be up by over $2 trillion in the decade following 2021.”
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Thanks, Democrats.
If America is to survive, Americans must outnumber Democrats at the polls in Novemer.
Becky
March 5th, 2012
9:35 am
Barry-good luck with that wish! The democratic women of this great nation will show up in huge numbers to vote you repubs out of office and re-elect President Obama. We outnumber you remember? And we certainly will remember the trash spewed by the right.
Just saying..
March 5th, 2012
9:37 am
bluecoat @ 9:25 am-
Do you think that light bulb will ever turn on for Kyle?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
9:42 am
Becky, don’t go assuming that all women think like parasites and are simply going to vote for Obozo because he’ll transfer more from the productive to them. Many women still think like Americans and will vote Republican.
Becky
March 5th, 2012
9:51 am
Barry-don’t hold your breath.
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
9:55 am
Kyle’s Breaking News: A new, complex law, which guarantees health insurance to more Americans and stops some of the worst outrages perpetrated by the insurance companies, but falls short of better solutions because of the Republican opposition, needs some fixing.
Yawn.
jm
March 5th, 2012
9:55 am
Good column Kyle
jm
March 5th, 2012
9:56 am
I would say this though: the incentives need to go, but the exchanges need to happen.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
10:00 am
Becky, note below stats from 2010 elections. In these key Senate races where large gender gaps existed, by upwards of 40% women still voted for the American:
• In Colorado, women preferred Democrat Michael Bennet over Republican Ken Buck by a margin of 56% to 39%, while men opted for Buck (54% to 40%).
• In Pennsylvania, women preferred loser Democrat Joe Sestak to Republican Pat Toomey by a margin of 54% to 46% while men preferred the victorious Toomey to Sestak (56% to 44%).
• In Wisconsin, women chose loser Democrat Russ Feingold over Ron Johnson (52% to 48%) while men strongly supported the winning candidate Johnson over Feingold (56% to 42%).
• Similarly, in Illinois, women preferred loser Democrat Alexi Giannoulias to Republican Mark Kirk (49% to 46%) while men preferred the winner Kirk to Giannoulias (50% to 45%).
http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/press_room/news/documents/PressRelease_11-04-10-GG.pdf
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:01 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
6:26 am
Ayn Rant: The Obozo plan and “insurance exchanges” are Democrat ploys to prolong the big-government liberals illusion that the free market is guiding health care spending decisions, while in fact all coverage requirements and pricing are determined by the federal government. The Obozo plan is one big Marxist camel’s nose under the free market tent.
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DON’T BLAME OBAMA BLAME ROMNEY.
Romney offered Obama his Massachusetts plan as a substitute for the public option and explicitly recommended the insurance mandate be adopted.
Not surprisingly, Rick Santorum is jumping on this as well.
“Governor Romney has been saying throughout the course of this campaign, ‘Oh, I never recommended that they adopt my program in Massachusetts for an individual federal mandate, oh, I never did that,’” Santorum told the crowd of about 250 people.
“OH YES, he did. In a 2009 USA Today op-ed he recommended, he made suggestions to President Obama, including the individual mandate and taxing people who don’t buy insurance.
That is the individual mandate.”
DON’T BLAME OBAMA BLAME ROMNEY.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:02 am
“Don’t let facts get in the way of your vitriol.”
Becky, grow up.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
10:07 am
“Look at Massachusetts, which has basically the same plan in place and has been for several years and it works for them.”
Except it’s not, and that it really doesn’t in the budget department, ByteMe.
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:08 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
9:42 am
Becky, don’t go assuming that all women think like parasites and are simply going to vote for Obozo because he’ll transfer more from the productive to them. Many women still think like Americans and will vote Republican.
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TODAY the Republicans HAVE A 40% DISAPPROVAL RATING.
White women are going to DESTROY the Republican Party come November 2012.
YOU guys messed with the wrong group.
You thought it was OK to mess with black women calling them welfare queens. But NOW
you have MESSED WITH YOUR OWN.
White women along with black, asian, hispanic, and other women are going to RE-ELECT OBAMA thanks to RUSH LIMBAUGH and the angry Republican Men.
Jefferson
March 5th, 2012
10:08 am
The GOP likes to hold its women in check, but in the privacy of a voting booth, they can stand up for themselves.
Becky
March 5th, 2012
10:10 am
do what? touch a nerve did I? hahahahahahahahhaha loser
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:11 am
@Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
10:07 am
“Look at Massachusetts, which has basically the same plan in place and has been for several years and it works for them.”
Except it’s not, and that it really doesn’t in the budget department, ByteMe.
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Keep LOOKING and you MIGHT find a PROBLEM for your SOLUTION.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
10:14 am
The people who think single-pater is the way to go don’t address the cost issue, only the accessibility issue.
Costs are NOT addressed in a single-payer solution. All that does is shift the source of the funds, but the funds still have to be paid out.
The ONLY sure method of reducing health care costs is tort reform. Doctors surveyed say they run extra and unnecessary test to avoid the threat of litigation to the tune of an extra 30% in health care costs. But every time that issue is brought up, the libs change the argument by stating only the cost of malpractice PREMIUMS, not the cost of defensive medicine.
You can’t provide solutions if you don’t know what the problem is. No wonder the ACA is going to be such a failure.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:16 am
” touch a nerve did I? hahahahahahahahhaha loser”
And the name calling begins.
Tick…tick…tick…..
Becky, no one on this blog wants to pay for your birth control pills. Get a job.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:16 am
“The GOP likes to hold its women in check”
The Democrats like to rape their women.
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:16 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
9:42 am
Becky, don’t go assuming that all women think like parasites and are simply going to vote for Obozo because he’ll transfer more from the productive to them. Many women still think like Americans and will vote Republican.
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NEW POLL TODAY.
WOMEN MOVING TOWARDS DEMOCRATS.
THANKS
Lil Barry Bailout
Kyle Wingfield
Angry Republican men
Mitt Romney
Rick Santorum
Newt Gingrich
Rush Limbaugh
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:18 am
@Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:16 am
“The GOP likes to hold its women in check”
The Democrats like to rape their women.
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NEW POLL TODAY.
WOMEN MOVING TOWARDS DEMOCRATS.
THANKS Do what??????
Uncle Billy
March 5th, 2012
10:19 am
Tiberius, tort reform was passed in Georgia several years ago. Has it brought the costs of health care here down? Has it brought the costs of malpractice premiums down? It was passed in California in the ’70s. Has it reduced the costs there?
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:20 am
@Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:16 am
” touch a nerve did I? hahahahahahahahhaha loser”
And the name calling begins.
Tick…tick…tick…..
Becky, no one on this blog wants to pay for your birth control pills. Get a job.
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NEW POLL TODAY.
WOMEN MOVING TOWARDS DEMOCRATS.
THANKS AGAIN Do what??????
Becky
March 5th, 2012
10:20 am
Good grief-you repub losers can’t let go of the birth control argument. Do you get your jollies constantly talking about it? Move on to more important things like job creation!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
10:21 am
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:16 am
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Sockpuppet, I didn’t say all women would vote Republican. Many women agree that the productive should have their property taken away and transferred to them–they’re parasites.
But 40-plus percent of women don’t think like that. They think like Americans.
Combined with the male vote, that may be enough.
If we want to take America back from the communist Obozo and his Democrat receptacles, Americans will have to outnumber Democrats in November.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
10:23 am
“Tiberius, tort reform was passed in Georgia several years ago. Has it brought the costs of health care here down? Has it brought the costs of malpractice premiums down?”
Uncle Billy, you DO realize that most of that reform was thrown out when challenged in the courts, right? So, no, it hasn’t done what it was supposed to to because of a poorly worded law and an bought and paid for court.
Nice try.
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:32 am
Arguing Obamacare is MUTE.
Women are moving towards the Democrats.
The damage that RUSH LIMBAUGH has inflicted on himself and the Angry Republican Men tin he last few days is likely to be LONG-LASTING, and won’t be diminished by the apology that he issued over the weekend.
OBAMA IN NOVEMBER 2012.
Thanks Angry Republican Men for SHOWING WOMEN THE LIGHT.
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:34 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
10:21 am
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
10:16 am
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Sockpuppet, I didn’t say all women would vote Republican. Many women agree that the productive should have their property taken away and transferred to them–they’re parasites.
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LADIES
This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of an ANGRY REPUBLICAN MAN.
Ladies go to the light……………THE DEMOCRATS ARE WAITING.
Jefferson
March 5th, 2012
10:38 am
If the health care workers are going to continue to earn good (as in some cases astronomical) salaries, health care will have to be run as non profit. The cost savings will have to come from the excessive profits the insurance giants walk away with. If the single payer system becomes the gov’t, that’s the way the ball rolls.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:40 am
“NEW POLL TODAY.”
Where is it?
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:41 am
“Good grief-you repub losers can’t let go of the birth control argument. Do you get your jollies constantly talking about it? Move on to more important things like job creation!”
Becky needs to get a job.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:41 am
“Women are moving towards the Democrats.”
Prove it.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
10:52 am
“If the health care workers are going to continue to earn good (as in some cases astronomical) salaries, health care will have to be run as non profit. ”
Yeah, ’cause I want my health care provided by the equivalent of a lowest-bidder assembly line worker.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
March 5th, 2012
11:00 am
LMAO
All the Lib’s trying to change the subject to Iraq are just saying that Kyle is 100% correct.
Dirty Dawg
March 5th, 2012
11:01 am
Enter your comments here
Jefferson
March 5th, 2012
11:01 am
T- you said that, I didn’t.
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
11:08 am
VIAGRA AND VASECTOMIES ARE COVERED.
What’s up with that?
Angry Republican Men Are Hypocritical.
Dirty Dawg
March 5th, 2012
11:09 am
So what if more companies decide to pay fines rather than continue providing coverage…and so what if an effort to repeal the ACA is undertaken? In the first instance the pressure to convert the entire health-care system to a single-payer one will be too much to ignore, and in the second the, so-called, repeal will just an opportunity to re-work the entire system to something akin to ‘Medicare For All’ which the only way we can hope to bring down the cost of the stuff in the first place.
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
11:10 am
@Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:41 am
“Women are moving towards the Democrats.”
Prove it.
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I don’t have to PROVE anything to you.
WHO ARE YOU?
Just another angry Republican man?
SEE YOU IN NOVEMBER 2012.
ragnar danneskjold
March 5th, 2012
11:11 am
In November we will have a choice: one candidate will favor keeping ObamaCare, the other will favor repeal. Not a hard choice for the 70% who favor repeal.
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
11:15 am
@Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:41 am
“Good grief-you repub losers can’t let go of the birth control argument. Do you get your jollies constantly talking about it? Move on to more important things like job creation!”
Becky needs to get a job.
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Good Grief….
You all brought it up.
WE had to listen to angry Republican men TALK ABOUT SEX and BESTIALITY (Santorum and that Montana Federal Judge).
They BEAT that BESTIALITY DEAD HORSE until the HORSE DIED AGAIN.
So don’t talk to us about keeping the conversation going WHEN YOU DO THEY SAME.
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
11:17 am
@Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:40 am
“NEW POLL TODAY.”
Where is it?
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IF YOU ARE SO SMART………YOU FIND IT.
Lakeisha Jackson
March 5th, 2012
11:18 am
Nobody has ever really believed that Obamacare would reduce costs. Even the most fervent liberals (Cynthia Tucker, for example) who regularly put that nonsense forward knew that no big government change like that has EVER not ended up costing way more than originally claimed. They just believe it’s a benefit that’s will end up being worth the cost. That’s certainly an arguable point, though reasonable people can see both sides of that issue and know that there are logical arguments both pro and con. But nobody…no matter WHAT they might have pretended when it was being discussed…ever truly believed that it would not end up adding a huge amount to our deficit.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
11:19 am
Dirty Dawg, single-payer is nothing but a FUNDING mechanism, as in WHO pays the bills.
It shifts the payee, but doesn’t do ANYTHING to lower costs.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
11:23 am
More evidence Obamacare is a nightmare for taxpayers
5:15 am March 5, 2012, by Kyle Wingfield
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A nightmare for the folks who play by the rules, get up and go to work every morning, and pay the nation’s bills.
A dream for the moocher class.
HDB
March 5th, 2012
11:31 am
For those who requested this:
Poll: Obama is gaining favor with women
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/02/28/3052182/poll-obama-gaining-favor-women.html#storylink=cpy
HDB
March 5th, 2012
11:34 am
……………and a second option:
Obama gaining approval among women
President Barack Obama’s approval ratings among women on handling the economy and unemployment has jumped by 10 percentage points since December.
As the Republican presidential candidates get ready for Super Tuesday, a new poll out shows President Barack Obama is making gains with one key voter group – women.
Obama’s standing with female voters is strengthening, polls show, as the economy improves and social issues, including birth control, become a bigger part of the national political discourse this election year, according to the Associated Press.
More from GlobalPost: Obama’s approval rating reaches 50%, says poll
An Associated Press-GfK poll suggests women also are giving the president more credit than men for the country’s economic turnaround.
Among women, his approval ratings on handling the economy and unemployment have jumped 10 percentage points since December.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/120227/new-poll-shows-obama-approval-rating-gaining-wom
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
11:37 am
@@Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
10:40 am
“NEW POLL TODAY.”
Where is it?
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IN CASE YOU COULD NOT FIND IT.
Oops THERE IT IS.
Posted: Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2012
Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2012 WASHINGTON Poll finds Obama is gaining favor with women
President Barack Obama’s standing with women is strengthening as the economy improves and social issues, including birth control, become a bigger part of the nation’s political discourse, an Associated Press-GfK poll suggests.
“Republicans are making a big mistake with this contraception talk, and I’m pretty sure that they are giving (the election) to Obama,” says Patricia Speyerer, 87, of McComb, Miss., a GOP-leaning independent. “It’s a stupid thing.”
Women also give the president more credit than men are for the country’s economic turnaround, the poll shows.
On overall approval, Obama gained 10 percentage points among women since December, from 43 percent to 53 percent.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/02/28/3052182/poll-obama-gaining-favor-women.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
HDB
March 5th, 2012
11:38 am
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
11:19 am
“Dirty Dawg, single-payer is nothing but a FUNDING mechanism, as in WHO pays the bills.
It shifts the payee, but doesn’t do ANYTHING to lower cost.”
If such is the case, why is coverage in France (which is considered #1 in health care) cheaper than the US…..that certain procedures are cheaper….and everyone has universal coverage?? I have a friend who lives in Paris….and she laments on what her coverage would cost if she moved BACK to the US…….
Opposition to Obamacare is A Solution Looking For A Problem
March 5th, 2012
11:39 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
11:23 am
More evidence Obamacare is a nightmare for taxpayers
5:15 am March 5, 2012, by Kyle Wingfield
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A nightmare for the folks who play by the rules, get up and go to work every morning, and pay the nation’s bills.
A dream for the moocher class.
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No…………. Its a NIGHTMARE for the BOW WOW CLASS.
Who let the dogs out?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
11:45 am
“If such is the case, why is coverage in France (which is considered #1 in health care) cheaper than the US…..that certain procedures are cheaper….and everyone has universal coverage??”
Because they don’t have a litigious society like we do, HDB. They do not perform unnecessary and extra test to avoid lawsuits to the tune of 30% increased costs. Do you not read what is posted earlier, or do you just ignore it because it doesn’t fit your world-view?
Viewpoints: Statins And Diabetes; Frightening Tobacco Warnings; The U.S. Dental Crisis | California Insurance Info Center
March 5th, 2012
11:51 am
[...] The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: More Evidence Obamacare Is A Nightmare For Taxpayers And the forecasts are only going to get worse with each passing year, if only because we are now burning through the years when Obamacare front-loaded new tax revenues before really adding new spending; that was another of the budgetary ruses Democrats used to create the fiction that Obamacare was fiscally responsible. It is increasingly clear that taking the law completely off the books is the only way to avoid a true fiscal catastrophe (Kyle Wingfield, 3/5). [...]
Jefferson
March 5th, 2012
11:58 am
Health care costs are high because of all the hands in the pot or in this case your pockets. Solutions don’t come to those who give up.
HDB
March 5th, 2012
12:09 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
11:45 am
The French do just as much testing as we do (according to my friend who lives there)….and the legal circumstances are just as prevalent…..but they are rated the #1 nation in terms of health care and health delivery. The something that differs is the national WILL to insure that everyone is covered rather than the Darwinian aspects of coverage that we have here…..
The national will needs to change!!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
12:10 pm
It would be nice, Jefferson, if some time you might consider backing up your statements with, oh, I don’t know – facts?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
12:15 pm
OH, they just “happen” to do the same amount if tests, do they? How does your friend know? Are they a doctor? Have they ever practiced here? Do they talk to doctors here?
The answer is – of course not.
You, sir, are making up that comment just to avoid looking silly in the face of facts.
And really, prove that the legal situation is just as prevalent in France as it is here. Tell us how people can sue their GOVERNMENT for improper health care. (This should be good . . .)
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
12:18 pm
“IF YOU ARE SO SMART………YOU FIND IT.”
Ok, so you’re a liar.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
12:19 pm
“I don’t have to PROVE anything to you.”
Like I said, you’re a liar.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
12:19 pm
“Poll: Obama is gaining favor with women”
HAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!!!!
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
12:20 pm
“WASHINGTON Poll finds Obama is gaining favor with women”
WAPOST!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
12:20 pm
“If such is the case, why is coverage in France”
France is going bankrupt.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
12:27 pm
This blog gives me the biggest laugh I’ve had in a while.
Kyle explains exactly how ObamaCare is a nightmare for taxpayers.
Now common sense had already told us that you cannot provide good “free” birth to death healthcare for every citizen in a country as big as ours. It is so obvious that it cannot be done. It will bring about bankruptcy and taxpayers know it.
Another reason we know Kyle has clearly explained the obvious, liberals are swarming here like a horde of locusts to prove that he is wrong. Our spend thrift leader has told them so and they believe that we can wipe out rich people and provide “free” lifetime healthcare for every citizen ( and contribute to the health of the world also. See HIV funds from USA.).
Keep up the sad comic act, dear liberals. Your desire for dependency on others is pitiful. Talk about the war against terrorism. (You’d rather lie down and wait for ‘em.) Talk about women loving the act of going broke. (Aint so!) Keep right on talking.
I can’t help but wonder at people acting like lap dogs waiting to be fed and cared for. It is so ignorantly sad that it gives a bit of comic relief. Woohoo!! Watch the foolish ones advocate for MORE freebies!
HDB
March 5th, 2012
12:32 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
12:15 pm
My friend knows because of her experiences….and she HAS talked to doctors here when she visits her father….and I’m trustung her experiences!
Doctors can be sued….and in certain areas, governments can be sued!!
French Lawsuits Being Filed for Vaccine “Poisoning”
Friday, 23 October 2009
A raft of lawsuits is about to be filed in France concerning the government’s mass “swine flu” vaccination campaign, with one civil case already deposited at a court in Grenoble, alleging a “real attempt to poison” the population is underway.
Similar charges are to be filed in other parts of France, including in Paris, Pau and Nantes, according to lawyer Jean Pierre Joseph.
“The goal is to stop what we consider to be an act of poisoning,” said Joseph
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/frenchlawsuitsvaccinepoisoning23oct09.shtml
JKL2
March 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
Democrats passing something that is going to increase the deficit. Didn’t see that one coming.
Maybe they should look to their Romneycare template in MA to see what projected expenses will look like. I’m sure they will turn out different because obama is smarter than everyone else.
Rick
March 5th, 2012
12:35 pm
“Democrats passing something that is going to increase the deficit. Didn’t see that one coming.”
And 3 of the 4 GOP candidates will further increase the deficit. Did you see that coming?
getalife
March 5th, 2012
12:37 pm
It is willardcare.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
12:39 pm
Wow, HDB. One article on a lawsuit against France does NOT equal a litigious society.
Really. It doesn’t.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
12:40 pm
“It is willardcare.”
Even though it’s not.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
12:41 pm
Off to earn more tax dollars that my government can waste. Later!
HDB
March 5th, 2012
12:41 pm
Tiberius…..here’s another reason….:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/why-an-mri-costs-1080-in-america-and-280-in-france/2011/08/25/gIQAVHztoR_blog.html?tid=pm_pop
Why an MRI costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France
There is a simple reason health care in the United States costs more than it does anywhere else: The prices are higher.
That may sound obvious. But it is, in fact, key to understanding one of the most pressing problems facing our economy. In 2009, Americans spent $7,960 per person on health care. Our neighbors in Canada spent $4,808. The Germans spent $4,218. The French, $3,978. If we had the per-person costs of any of those countries, America’s deficits would vanish. Workers would have much more money in their pockets. Our economy would grow more quickly, as our exports would be more competitive.
There are many possible explanations for why Americans pay so much more. It could be that we’re sicker. Or that we go to the doctor more frequently. But health researchers have largely discarded these theories. As Gerard Anderson, Uwe Reinhardt, Peter Hussey and Varduhi Petrosyan put it in the title of their influential 2003 study on international health-care costs, “it’s the prices, stupid.”
As it’s difficult to get good data on prices, that paper blamed prices largely by eliminating the other possible culprits. They authors considered, for instance, the idea that Americans were simply using more health-care services, but on close inspection, found that Americans don’t see the doctor more often or stay longer in the hospital than residents of other countries. Quite the opposite, actually. We spend less time in the hospital than Germans and see the doctor less often than the Canadians.
HDB
March 5th, 2012
12:44 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
12:39 pm
Here’s the question you asked from your 12:15:” And really, prove that the legal situation is just as prevalent in France as it is here. Tell us how people can sue their GOVERNMENT for improper health care. (This should be good . . .)”
You got an example…..logically, that counter example proves my point……the French government can and HAS been sued for bad health care……QED….
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
12:46 pm
Dusty @12:27 pm: “Now common sense had already told us that you cannot provide good “free” birth to death healthcare for every citizen in a country as big as ours. It is so obvious that it cannot be done. “
Dusty, why don’t YOU try to use some common sense? Please explain what the size of the country has to do with providing the health care.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
12:37
It is getalife’s goombah graciously given.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
12:50 pm
HDB: If we had the per-person costs of any of those countries, America’s deficits would vanish.
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If people paid their own bills instead of mooching off the productive, America’s deficits would vanish.
But then the Democrats wouldn’t have any way to buy the votes of the weak and the stupid.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
12:53 pm
Dear Mark V
THINK, please. The bigger the country, the more people needing healthcare.
The more healthcare needed the more expenses mount.
The more expenses mount the more taxpayer money is needed.
When taxpayers cannot meet the need, there is huge borrowing (debt) or bankruptcy..
This is the path of government furnished healthcare. I don’t care to go that way.
getalife
March 5th, 2012
12:56 pm
When you run willard, willardcare will be out of the debate because both candidates are for the health care bill.
willard can’t say it because of you cons.
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
1:06 pm
Dusty @12:53 pm
Dear Dusty
THINK, please.
“The bigger the country, the more people needing healthcare.”
The bigger country, the more resources. Are they not proportional to the population? Are not the resources of the US proportionally even larger than of many smaller countries?
“The more expenses mount the more taxpayer money is needed.” The more taxpayers, the more taxpayer money available.
HDB
March 5th, 2012
1:11 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
12:50 pm
Shouldn’t you be saying this:
If trickle-down would have actually worked, then people could pay their own bills, workers would have much more money in their pockets, our economy would grow more quickly, as our exports would be more competitive, and America’s deficits would vanish. But then the Republicans wouldn’t have any way to buy the votes of the weak and the stupid who believe that the GOP is looking out for their interests but only look out for the wealthy!!
That’s moreso the truth!!.
Jefferson
March 5th, 2012
1:17 pm
It is true, belive it or not.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
1:30 pm
HDB: Shouldn’t you be saying this:
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No, because it makes no sense. Your thesis is that trickle down doesn’t work, but if it did that Republican voters wouldn’t vote Republican.
You went to public schools, right? Here’s a helpful suggestion for you–think before posting. That way, people won’t laugh at your stupidity.
JKL2
March 5th, 2012
1:54 pm
Rick- And 3 of the 4 GOP candidates will further increase the deficit. Did you see that coming?
Good thing obama has balanced the budget then…
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
1:56 pm
Rick is a Ron Paul supporter, and that’s OK. I like Ron Paul’s economic and fiscal proposals. If Paul is nominated, I’ll certainly vote for him in the general.
I hope we can count on Rick to support Obozo’s opponent in the general.
Rick?
JKL2
March 5th, 2012
2:08 pm
HDB- If we had the per-person costs of any of those countries, America’s deficits would vanish.
It’s a shame our doctors don’t have better patients to work with. We are the fattest, laziest society in the history of the world. People are to lazy to get off the couch to save their own lives. They think the doctor can give them a magic pill (which they’ll forget to take) and everything will be fixed. How dare they expect them to give up pizza, beer, and cigarettes.
Lisa
March 5th, 2012
2:09 pm
Now we know what was going on behind closed doors. A bunch of dim monkeys playing with themselves at our expense.
Scrap this monstrosity and start over!
JKL2
March 5th, 2012
2:12 pm
MarkV- The more taxpayers, the more taxpayer money available.
Demwit logic if I ever heard it. Why don’t we all just give everything to the government? I’m sure they will do a better job of taking care of me than I ever could…
DannyX
March 5th, 2012
2:23 pm
Kyle, you need to keep up.
It’s called Robamneycare now.
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
2:26 pm
JKL2 @2:12 pm: “MarkV- The more taxpayers, the more taxpayer money available.
Demwit logic if I ever heard it. Why don’t we all just give everything to the government? I’m sure they will do a better job of taking care of me than I ever could…”
I am willing, in spite of what td falsely claims, exchange arguments with someone who shows some sign of intelligence. JKL2 does not.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
2:29 pm
JKL2 defeated MarkV.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
2:29 pm
Do liberals ever tell their children that an item is not affordable? Why do liberals not understand that the US is broke? Do they not understand that $1.49 T was added to the debt during Papa Bush’s 4 years, that $1.54 T was added to the debt during Clinton’s 8 years, that $4.899 T was added to the debt during Bush’s 8 years & that $4.836 T has been added to the debt during Obama’s 3 years? Do they not understand that the national debt is $15.463 T today?
The US has piled up the biggest debt in the history of the world. We borrow $168 M every hour. By 2021, the interest payments on the debt will be $1.1 T per year. Compare that annual interest payment to the entire debt added during Papa Bush & Clinton! The debt is rising by $4 B per day! In addition to the natl. debt, the unfunded liabilities for social security & Medicare are $118 T!
We are borrowing over 40 cents of every dollar we are spending. That means we can only afford 60% of our current expenses. We need to eliminate 40% of the existing fed. govt. That still leaves us with the debt. To begin to decrease the debt, we need to eliminate at least another 10% of the fed. govt. We need to slash the fed. govt. IN HALF!
Anyone with half a brain can understand that the natl. debt is unsustainable. It’s the worst threat to our natl. security. We’ve already been downgraded once & is only a matter of time before we get the axe. Look no further than Europe.
We cannot afford Obamacare. It’s that simple. It’s that obvious.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
2:36 pm
Dear Mark V
Unfortunately, it has not worked out that more people mean more government money. In our country, 50% of the population pay no taxes. That has gone up considerattly from the past. It will probably get even greater in non payers with population increases.
China, with its government healthcare provided by its communist government is now putting brakes on the population growth. They have put a legal limit on the number of children in one family and I believe the limit is two. Maybe one. Even with all their land and resources, they have found that they cannot afford growth in population.
Some smaller countries in Europe are advancing towards bankruptcy. Greece, Spain & Portugal are cutting back and I am sure government healthcare is under scrutiny. They cannot afford it.
There is no such thing as cheap healthcare. It is either good or it is inefficient and unprofessionally provided. I am against “cheap” and want good healthcare.
ObamaCare is neither cheap nor good. We must find other options that work in a democratic republic.
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
2:43 pm
Dusty @2:36 pm
Dusty,
You have made a number of points, which are worth discussing. They have nothing to do with what you originally wrote about the size of the country. While I would prefer that you simply admitted that you had made a blunder, at least you have stopped making that bad argument. As Kyle once graciously wrote to me when I made a blunder – and admitted it -, “it happens to the best of us.”
I have to leave for a while, but will try to respond to you points a little later.
DannyX
March 5th, 2012
2:45 pm
“Do liberals ever tell their children that an item is not affordable?”
That’s hysterical Linda. Keep ‘em coming!
Medicare Part D was FREE!!!
The two wars were FREE!!!
The Bush tax cuts paid for themselves!
The Dept of Homeland Security FREE!!!
Defense spending FREE!!!
Oil subsidies FREE!!!
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
2:48 pm
Linda,
Keep telling ‘em about the national debt. It is almost as though some people go brain dead when “the debt” is mentioned..
But it is there, big and looming, and how anyone can overlook it is beyond me. But they do!!! And they sound like Democrats!
HDB
March 5th, 2012
2:51 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
1:30 pm
“Your thesis is that trickle down doesn’t work, but if it did that Republican voters wouldn’t vote Republican.”
You’re half right! My thesis IS that trickle-down doesn’t work (it doesn’t)….and because it DOESN’T, those who persistently vote GOP are voting AGAINST their best interests! (That’s what I implied!! You can’t read an implied statement??)
…and I went to BOTH public and private (Catholic) schools……
Linda
March 5th, 2012
2:55 pm
DannyX@2:45, Do liberals ever tell their children that nothing is “free?”
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
2:58 pm
Why do liberals not understand that the US is broke?
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Because they’re self-absorbed idiots who don’t know how a red rubber ball works, much less an economy.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
3:01 pm
Nice try, HDB, but we already read your earlier post.
I win.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
3:02 pm
DannyX
You listed three items that were for the defense of our country. Do you want Americans to protect and fight for our freedom or just yawn and say nobody is going to bother us?
Did 9/11 mean nothing to you ? Do you enjoy running down our armed forces fighting for us? Did you want Obama to tell the SEALS to drop their guns, forget Osama and come home? Do you want more airliners & passengers blown to bits?
I guess you’d rather have “free” healthcare more than protecting our country. You certainly act like it..
I get really tired of such tripe. Our military people are out there fighting and you sit here griping about the cost. How about working on the costliest president we have ever had who continues to enlarge our debts. Now THAT is a worry.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
3:05 pm
Trickle-down created 16 million jobs during our President Reagan’s eight years.
Obama’s communist scheming has destroyed a million jobs in three-plus years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms
Ernest T. Bass
March 5th, 2012
3:09 pm
Clearly we cant have universal healthcare. I mean look at this list of rouge nations that have universal healthcare and how long they have been doing it!! Clearly we here in the United States know best.
Its why out of the 33 so called first would countries we are the only one who doesn’t.
Forget the fact that the countries with Universal Healthcare all have lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, infant mortality and that their life expectancy is longer. Means nothing.
Also forget the number of Americans who go abroad in search of healthcare. Americans may Mary Canadian citizens all the time so that they don’t go broke trying to pay for healthcare in this country. But ignore all that.
Our system is clearly better. The HMO’s and Insurance companies here have told me so.
Country Start Date of Universal Health Care System Type
Click links for more source material on each country’s health care system.
Norway 1912 Single Payer
New Zealand 1938 Two Tier
Japan 1938 Single Payer
Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate
Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate
United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer
Kuwait 1950 Single Payer
Sweden 1955 Single Payer
Bahrain 1957 Single Payer
Brunei 1958 Single Payer
Canada 1966 Single Payer
Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier
Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate
United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer
Finland 1972 Single Payer
Slovenia 1972 Single Payer
Denmark 1973 Two-Tier
Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate
France 1974 Two-Tier
Australia 1975 Two Tier
Ireland 1977 Two-Tier
Italy 1978 Single Payer
Portugal 1979 Single Payer
Cyprus 1980 Single Payer
Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate
Spain 1986 Single Payer
South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate
Iceland 1990 Single Payer
Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier
Singapore 1993 Two-Tier
Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate
Israel 1995 Two-Tier
United States 2014 Insurance Mandate
Ernest T. Bass
March 5th, 2012
3:11 pm
How about working on the costliest president we have ever had who continues to enlarge our debts.
That would be Reagan by a long shot. No one has even come close since.
Did 9/11 mean nothing to you ?
It meant alot. I was glad to see Obama get OBL after Bush spent 8 years playing in the sand in Iraq.
Ted
March 5th, 2012
3:14 pm
Just a monthly shout out to the coward Mike Luckovich for accepting no comments, ever, on his political opinions, expressed as cartoons. He can dish it out, but he can’t take it. Here’s to Bookman, Galloway and Wingfield for accepting feedback.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
3:14 pm
Ernest, guess what else every country on your list has in common? They all have economies smaller than that of the U.S.
1961_Xer
March 5th, 2012
3:16 pm
Kyle wrote: More evidence Obamacare is a nightmare for taxpayers
That automatically means that those who don’t pay federal income taxes ( 49.x% of wage earners, their families, and the myriad of folks who don’t work) simply will not care until this law sets off a Greek-like debt crisis in the U.S.
The biggest justification for this law was to save money. That makes whole premise of Obamacare a lie.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
3:18 pm
Ernest T. Bass:
Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate
United States 2014 Insurance Mandate
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Hmm…
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
3:19 pm
Ernest T. Bass, how come no African countries on your list?
HDB
March 5th, 2012
3:23 pm
Universal health care and national health insurance were first proposed by U.S President Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican! Why is it that when a Democrat pushes forward a Republican initiative that the GOP gets apoplectic?? Why does the GOP run away from THEIR own ideas???
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
3:25 pm
Our President Reagan added a mere $1.8 trillion to the national debt in eight years.
Your Idiot Klown Obozo has already added $4.6 trillion in three-plus years.
Obozo: Inferior to our President Reagan.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
3:29 pm
Social Security & Medicare started off the same way as Obamacare, with the camel’s nose under the tent. Social Security was intended to give some protection to 30 million citizens. The life expectancy in 1934 was 58 for men & 62 for women. It was insurance if people lived “too long,” that is, past 65. People are living so long now that they receive more in benefits than they paid into it in taxes. Too bad congress spent every dime in the trust fund, which is now composed of chits, that is, little pieces of paper with IOU written across the front.
It’s difficult to find anyone in their 20’s or 30’s who expects to receive a dime from social security. Young people call govt. programs Social Insecurity, Medi-uncare & Obama-uncare.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
3:29 pm
Mr. Bass,
If President Reagan raised a big debt he did so with the population supporting him. He is still known as one of our outstanding presidents. If you can justify a debt, perhaps it is easier to work on it. We have none of that support now and the debt keeps getting bigger and bigger.
You can thank President Bush for fighting against terrorism and having troops in the Middle East where they found Osama. Without that preparation and accomplishments, Osama would still be sitting in Pakistan.
Fortunately, we had a president who could look to the future at 9/11 and work on our protection immediately and in the future. That was George W. Bush. Obama is still following up on most of Bush’s endeavors. They are the best moves Obama has made.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:34 pm
“Universal health care and national health insurance were first proposed by U.S President Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican!”
He was a one term president.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:35 pm
Ernest T. ass
How many of those countries have the same population as the US?
ZERO.
Some of those countries are going bankrupt.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:36 pm
“I was glad to see Obama get OBL after Bush spent 8 years playing in the sand in Iraq.”
Without Bush, Obozo wouldn’t have gotten OBL.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
HDB
Don’t you have some white people to go after?
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
3:40 pm
HDB
We don’t care who “initiated” health care.
What we “care” about is ObamaCare. It is an overboard, poorly planned, illegal, expensive, inefficient, non-medical tool, with discriminatory loopholes, and nothing but political fodder from an inexperienced President with an inept administration.
That is why we care enough to get rid of the biggest boondoggle to ever be imposed upon Americans.
HDB
March 5th, 2012
3:44 pm
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
You’re close enough……
HDB
March 5th, 2012
3:46 pm
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:36 pm
Without Bush screwing things up and getting paid off by the bin Ladens, Obama wouldn’t have had to go after OBL……but Obama got OBL when Bush couldn’t…….
That’s the correct statement….
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
3:47 pm
Well, a word for MarkV when he returns.
The larger the country the larger the propulation The larger the population the more people needing healthcare. That’s the connection.
Later……
HDB
March 5th, 2012
3:50 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
3:25 pm
“Your Idiot Klown Obozo has already added $4.6 trillion in three-plus years.
Just remember what the last act in the circus is — the clean up crew—–they have to clean up the s#!t that the elephants leave behind!! Just like Obama is having to do after Bush’s departure….and claning up a toxic dump costs!!
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
3:52 pm
“Bush getting paid off by the bin ladens”
ding ding ding ..Call the guys in the white coats. There’s another one loose! Bye bye HDB….
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:53 pm
“Without Bush screwing things up and getting paid off by the bin Ladens, Obama wouldn’t have had to go after OBL……but Obama got OBL when Bush couldn’t…….”
??????????????????????
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:54 pm
“Just like Obama is having to do after Bush’s departure’
Except for the fact that he hasn’t cleaned anything up. The debt is much higher, we’re still in a few wars, he didn’t close Gitmo, his health care bill is massively unpopular…
Dont’ let the facts get in the way of your lies, Jesse Jackson.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:55 pm
HDB
Speaking of the Saudis. Here’s your boy bowing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY
HDB
March 5th, 2012
3:58 pm
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
3:54 pm
More is getting cleaned up than you think…….and here’s Bush kissing the Saudi prince:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/911review/293457625/
Linda
March 5th, 2012
3:58 pm
The Central & Eastern European (CEE) Healthcare is in financial crises. It “…treathens to expose patients to inferior & inadequate services…evermore unsustainable govt. budgets & highlights the necessity of bringing down public expenditure…leading to citizens paying more for their healthcare…whilst services in the future will probably deteriorate regardless…unhappy & underpaid (medical) staff…refusing to work…”
New ways of providing healthcare includes privatization.
http://www.stockholm-network.org/downloads/publications/Weathering_the_Storm.pdf
Why do we want to head down the same path?
tiberius your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
3:59 pm
Anybody who knows history will tell you Teddy Roosevelt was no Republican in the way he governed.
But people would rather look at labels instead of actual facts.
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
4:06 pm
Dusty @2:36 pm
Dear Dusty
I do not like to, but I have to remind you again (and again, and again) that when I write an argument, I am making only that argument, and not implying something else. Also, that to the great discomfort of people like Tiberius I try to express exactly what I have in mind, and I expect the same from others. Without that, in my view a rational discussion is impossible.
I am making these points because, as I read you post, it is immediately clear that I could divide your points into those that do not make much sense because of the way you have written them, those that I do not dispute but also find irrelevant, and those that I agree with.
Let me show you what I mean.
“Unfortunately, it has not worked out that more people mean more government money.”
That is apparently still in response to my point about the country size, my point that “the more taxpayers, the more taxpayer money available.” Disputing my statement defies common sense and facts. Not only when we compare different countries. Do you want to dispute that as our population has been increasing, the tax receipts of the government generally increase?
As for the second kind, the example are your two paragraphs starting with “China, with its government healthcare…” and ending ….Greece, Spain & Portugal are cutting back and I am sure government healthcare is under scrutiny. They cannot afford it.” I do not dispute any of that. I also do not find it relevant to the discussion.
Then you wrote the following: “There is no such thing as cheap healthcare. It is either good or it is inefficient and unprofessionally provided. I am against “cheap” and want good healthcare.” I could not agree with you more.
And your final point: “ObamaCare is neither cheap nor good. We must find other options that work in a democratic republic.” That is a point I neither agree nor disagree, because it uses words that are relative. Cheap or not cheap compared with what? Good or not good compared with what? If you are argue that it should be cheaper and better than it is, I agree. It is “the other options” that are in dispute.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
4:12 pm
Good grief,
What do we get here next? A picture of Clinton and Monica Lewinsky in fond embrace?
Cut it out, guys. There may be children present.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
4:17 pm
The liberals’ cure-all is to raise taxes, raise taxes on the rich, raise taxes on the oil companies, raise taxes on dead people, raise taxes on the fat cats (dead or alive), raise taxes on corporations, etc.
Well, they got their wish! Obama’s new budget raises taxes on all of the above, everyone & everything he’s been demonizing for the last 3 years! It increases personal income tax revenues from $1.1 T to $1.9 T (up 70%)! It increases corporate income tax revenues from $236 B to $473 B (up 142%). It reduces the deficit by $848 B by not spending money we had not planned to spend anyway.
There’s still a few problems. His budget does not pay DOWN the debt. It increases the debt from $16.3 T to $21.3 T (up 30%).
I told you so. There will NEVER be enough taxes. If everybody sent ALL their money to DC, it would be spent by Memorial Day.
When the Democratic senate voted on Obama’s budget last year, it was 0-97. Reid was so embarrassed that he is refusing to even vote on this new one. What a waste of trees for the paper it was printed on.
Scooter
March 5th, 2012
4:21 pm
The American people should know entitlement programs are sold by politicians and they most always end up being budget busters. We’ve known for some time that Social Security and Medicaid are financial albatrosses around our necks, but we let The Obama create a new entitlement without fixing any others, shame on us!
Jefferson
March 5th, 2012
4:22 pm
Voting to not raise taxes on principal gets nothing accomplished.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
4:36 pm
This is about the best biz to be in right now under the Obama administration.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Gun-Sales-Boom-141366763.html
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
4:36 pm
“and here’s Bush kissing the Saudi prince:”
You do realize that Obama is president NOW, right?
Linda
March 5th, 2012
4:39 pm
Most self-employed people have health care insurance that is designed like auto insurance. Their health insurance is for illness like auto insurance is for losses.
Routine doctor visits cost $65 cash. Blood work at Any Tests cost $35. Prescriptions cost $4. Mammigrams cost less than brake shoes.
If more people had catastrophic health insurance, our health care costs would decrease. If primary care physicians could work on a cash basis with no insurance staff, their savings could be passed on the consumer.
Michael H. Smith
March 5th, 2012
4:43 pm
Wouldn’t argue with what you’ve said in regards to riding ourselves of “obumerCare” Kyle but then what do we do about healthcare services and healthcare insurance?
Going back to the previous hodgepodge status quo is very ill advised in my opinion for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with Fair Share, Fairness, serving Social Justice or any of the usual slobbering tripe bantered about on these blog by the partisan Marxists and corporate Corporatists in cahoots with the medical establishment, as I continue to be one of those who says it is not an either, or proposition, it is a neither, nor preclusion of all of these power hungry groupies approach that only robs “the individual” of the sustainable liberty and affordable choice in healthcare services and healthcare insurance.
On this issue, it is past time for the Republicans in this State to get their act together and get’er done seeing as how the democrats never did in over a 100 years!
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
Dear MarkV
No need to explain your manner of discussion.
Show me the facts that we are taking in more tax money with increased population when only 50% are paying taxes when a larger percentage of people were paying taxes before that. Show me I am wrong.
China, Spain, Portugal & Greece are EXAMPLES of countries where increased population and/or poor economies have caused subsidized healthcare problems. I was discussing population vs healthcare therefore those examples.
Cheap applied to any subject means poor in quality. That is my conclusion on ObamaCare and I have already mentioned why…
Good as applied to healthcare means professional, responsible, trained personnel and facilities which are clean, adequate and scientifically prepared.
May I ask if you are new to the English language? You do not seem to know many meanings nor any of the connotations of many words. You misunderstand words that have more than one meaning. I don’t think it is intentional. But I wonder why that happens.
Michael H. Smith
March 5th, 2012
4:54 pm
Linda
March 5th, 2012
4:39 pm
All the things you cite could be done a couple of times better and probably cheaper if businesses and individuals could set up healthcare co-ops independent of government control and several regulations (federal and state), in this State. And I’m not talking about that ridiculousness high risk pool garbage that is nothing but a rip-off scheme that will not bend the cost curve Dr. Price (as you well know it cannot).
I’m all for options and not very cordial to mandates.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
4:59 pm
MarkV@1:06, “The more taxpayers, the more taxpayer money available.”
Hey, liberal women, Mark is trying to take away your “free” contraception coverage so we can have more babies that grow up & become taxpayers so the government can have even more money to spend. You will just have to be satisfied with “free” windshield wiper blades from Obama.
Michael H. Smith
March 5th, 2012
5:02 pm
One other thing I’m sure you know Linda is that some prescription medicines are free of charge, at places like Publix. Furthermore if drug re-importation and bulk purchase were allowed instead of prohibited, drugs cost would again be lowered, in many cases significantly. But Big Pharma has bought off both political parties to protect their market share and profits.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
5:05 pm
Michael H. Smith.
What do you mean by “corporal Corporatists in cahoots with the medical establishments” regarding healthcare?
If you are referring to ObamaCare, I think doctors had very little to do with its formation. Doctors are the brains and spine of medical establishments and “healthcare” produced without them is worthless. Unless ObamaCare is a mistake by which we learn, I see no value and much determent to the medical needs of this country.
Medical corporations such as pharmaceuticals are doing most of the research in the field of medicine. They may have their faults but conducting expensive research is not one of them no matter why they do it.
snoqualmiepass
March 5th, 2012
5:10 pm
Love these comments on the new healthcare rules some label “Obamacare”
So I guess we should call the German National Healthcare ” TrumanCare” or EisenhowerCare, since this stipulation is in the German constitution written by…… Americans…. Or Japanese National Healthcare as more “TrumanCare” or General McCartherCare” since again, the good General and Mr. Truman wrote the Japanese Constitution. So it looks like I’ll be required to remind y’all every time you bring up this subject.
euler
March 5th, 2012
5:18 pm
Dusty: You keep repeating the often-stated but always-wrong claim that 50% of Americans do not pay taxes. Please stop. The correct statement is that 50% of Americans do not pay _federal income_ tax. However, there are a variety of other taxes.
It is difficult to estimate the overall tax burden, since taxes can vary wildly over different jurisdictions (both city, county, and state), but the following report from 2009 does give at least some statistics: http://cfo.dc.gov/cfo/frames.asp?doc=/cfo/lib/cfo/09STUDY.pdf
Of particular note is the fact that a family of three making 25,000 a year had a higher average tax burden than a family of three making 150,000 a year (see page 8 versus page 12).
Our tax system certainly does need to be reformed, but repeating false claims does nothing to help.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 5th, 2012
5:21 pm
Don’t tell me you just figured out that dummycrats lie, Kyle?
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
5:21 pm
“The correct statement is that 50% of Americans do not pay _federal income_ tax.”
Either way you want to state isn’t good. That’s pretty damn bad.
“Our tax system certainly does need to be reformed”
AMEN!
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
5:21 pm
Dear Dusty
I can see that in spite of my advice to drop your ridiculous argument about the country size you are still trying to defend it. How can I make you understand? Let’s try this. Hypothetically, consider dividing the US into two countries with half of population each. Say, take certain states into one half, and other states into the other half, each new country about 165 million. So you have the original US, and those two smaller countries. You can even divide it further, into four countries. You do not change anything about taxes. Will it become less difficult to health-insure any of those smaller countries than the current USA? That is what you argued, that it is the size of the US that makes it difficult. Can you explain why it would be?
You have not made any new points, and stated only generalities, that do not contribute anything to the discussion.
Finally, about your question regarding the English language. Why don’t you give specifics, rather than something this general?
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
5:22 pm
“Of particular note is the fact that a family of three making 25,000 a year ”
A Starbucks barista can make more than that. Whoever is making 25/year needs to find another job or another skill set.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
5:23 pm
Looks to me like the $150K family paid over $12000, while the $25K family only paid $2750.
Why didn’t the $25K family pay their fair share?
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
5:23 pm
“Will it become less difficult to health-insure any of those smaller countries than the current USA?”
That question makes absolutely no sense. Try to live in the real world for a change.
Michael H. Smith
March 5th, 2012
5:25 pm
Excuse me Dusty but I went back to read what I believe you’re referring to though my spelling appears correct on my screen as “corporate” not “corporal”
I’ll agree on your point in regards to most doctors hating the “Medical Establishment” and Government control. But Dusty, please don’t bother to tell me about doctors, our eldest son is a forensic pathologist.
You will not get any sympathy for Big Pharma from me and I know how to read the financial page Dusty. The Drug industry has the highest profit margins in the medical sector first of all and second, these same drug companies sell these same drugs in foreign countries for a lot less because WE PAY THE COST DIFFERENCE.Thirdly a lot of that research you cite is done at TAXPAYER FUNDED UNIVERSITIES for which drug companies get for little or nothing. The rest of the medical industry isn’t struggling to survive.
Rafe Hollister
March 5th, 2012
5:26 pm
Nothing in the world will bring out the gimme or free stuff for all crowd, like someone pointing out that what they are getting is not sustainable or free.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 5th, 2012
5:26 pm
It looks like Dirty Floor Fluke might be a scientist-
She even got a bachelor’s degree in something called “Feminist, Gender, & Sexuality Studies.”
Or a professional pervert.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
5:27 pm
Something ain’t right with your source, euler, because some families in the $150K income range paid zero income taxes, according to page 12. I haven’t had time to read the whole thing though. The taxes paid by such a family appear to be lowballed by a huge margin.
Pay your fair share, $25K families!
Linda
March 5th, 2012
5:30 pm
Obama needs him a Fair Czar. Maybe he could borrow that outfit from King Burger King & swap out an Obamacare waver in exchange.
Has anyone actually seen the Food Police yet? What do they wear? My husband still can’t understand why I’m keeping the salt & sugar are under our bed.
ld
March 5th, 2012
5:43 pm
If Obamacare is not overturned by US Supreme Court this spring, this entitlement will ‘break the bank’;
Because the Obamacare “insurance” is being bought via private, for mega-profit companies, the price will rise well beyond what the “poor” Obama contends he intends to cover can afford. That means those premiums will be paid by taxpayers–along w/any deductible/copay.
Eventually, we will need an alternate plan.
It would make more sense to use the existing county health departments–seriously enhanced–to provide care to the poorest of the poor.
Along w/county hospitals and w/licensed medical providers–people and entitie– that accept taxpayer or gov’t supported funding–directly or indirectly: this replace Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, federally supported insurance, and even veterans care for civilians
(except, perhaps, at VA hospitals designed to provide immediate and interim care for war wounded for active duty personnel and as they transition from military to civilian life)
and would make up the “public” medical system.
and then leave the TOTALLY PRIVATE SECTOR totally to the private sector–BUT the private medical system could, reasonably, require larger licensing fees, etc., AND…
Licensed medical professionals and entities should NOT be able to opt in–in profitable part–but then opt out of the public system when/where it is less profitable.
If any licensed medical professional–individual or entity–receives ANY taxpayer or gov’t supported funding–directly or indirectly–any at all, including but not limited to such as if any doctor is permited to practice at any hospital that receives ANY taxpayer or gov’t supported funding (directly or indirectly), then those licensed medical professionals MUST be required to participate in the “public” medical system, specifically including any program set up w/i every county in which live and/or in which they are practicing medicine AND accept rules and regulations for the same–including limitations and exclusions and authorized fee amounts. Medicare and medicaid and gov’t supported insurance & medical benefits would remain totally w/i the “public” medical system.
Additionally, each state should reasonably be able to set up a system that serves its citizens needs–counties w/in every state should be able to send patients across county lines to medical professionals w/i need field of expertise so as to not limit available care.
For emergencies during travel, a state-to-state swap system would need to be in place.
This will, of course, result in asmall “elite” medical community and a “public” medical community. (I suspect the elites–insurers and providers–will soon realize just how much public money they have been receiving, directly and indirectly while screaming for gov’t to stay out of their busines, especially when insurers must cover the extreme costs for caring for the elderly w/o gov’t subsidy.
Bob
March 5th, 2012
5:44 pm
How many Obama voters actually think that healthcare companies will give away free stuff. Instead of going for $10 a month contraceptives, why not pay for our own but make insurance companies give everything else for free.
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
5:52 pm
Do what?????? @5:23 pm: Mark V: “Will it become less difficult to health-insure any of those smaller countries than the current USA?”
“That question makes absolutely no sense. Try to live in the real world for a change.”
True, the question does not make sense to somebody who is incapable to think.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
5:54 pm
Obamacare discriminates against both age & gender. Women use birth control about half of their lives. Therefore, it discriminates against young girls & older women. Men don’t use birth control pills & are left out in the cold, where most of them belong, anyway.
Rather than birth control pills, I vote for shoes, perfume, tools & fishing poles.
That’s FAIRNESS!
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
6:01 pm
Dear euler,
OK, you want me to say that only 50% pay FEDERAL taxes but others pay taxes in many ways. . OK. But ObamaCare is going to be paid by Federal taxes while being supplied for all citizens. That’s 50% of the population paying for the healthcare of 100%. Yes?
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Michael Smith.
There seems to be a misunderstanding. Doctors are the brain and spine of the medical establishment is what I said. Cetainly do not hate them. My father was a doctor and I have been in laboratory medicine for many years, all working under a pathologist, (one of them named Smith). My daughter has a PhD in biochemistry along with other degrees. She is currentlhy doing research in medical equipment when quality control indicates a problem. She is paid by the company.
I believe that corporations are doing more research in new pharmaceuticals/equipment while universities are working on the biochemical effects and the results of patients. I think our country excels in all research and I’m glad of that.
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Mark V
You can’t divide the USA in four pieces and say it would work better. Can’t follow your argument about 4 pieces.. Smaller is not necessarily cheaper. Whatever.
Anyway, I do not consider Obamacare a workable plan and I hope the Supreme Court will throw out the whole patched up unpopular expensive system. We can do better than ObamaCare .
The Rush Dialectic
March 5th, 2012
6:06 pm
All women who use birth control are s!uts;
If her birth control is covered by her medical insurance, that makes her a pro$titute.
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
6:14 pm
Linda,
BurgerKing is a great place. I like to go to my special one for a quick hamburger that always tastes good.
The Food Police may get me but I will die happy ….hamburger in hand!
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
6:21 pm
“True, the question does not make sense to somebody who is incapable to think.’
Yeah, that’s it. (sarcasm)
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
6:21 pm
“She even got a bachelor’s degree in something called “Feminist, Gender, & Sexuality Studies.”
And like Bookman’s poet daughter, she’ll be moving back in with mom and dad.
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
6:24 pm
Dusty @6:01 pm: “You can’t divide the USA in four pieces and say it would work better. Can’t follow your argument about 4 pieces. Smaller is not necessarily cheaper.”
Dusty, I am almost giving up, but I will try one more time. At 12:27 pm you made the following argument: “Now common sense had already told us that you cannot provide good “free” birth to death healthcare for every citizen in a country as big as ours. It is so obvious that it cannot be done. It will bring about bankruptcy and taxpayers know it.”
In other words, you tied the possibility of providing healthcare (I ignore the “free” part, which everybody knows is absurd and does not change the argument) to the size of the country (“in a country as big as ours”). In effect, you were arguing that a smaller country might do what a bigger country cannot. I call that defying common sense. Therefore, I showed you the argument about dividing US into smaller parts. Each part would have proportionately fewer people to take care of, but also proportionately fewer resources, i.e., the amount of the taxes. If you bristle at the hypothetical idea of dividing the USA, all you have to do is to imagine another country with half the population of the US, half the GDP, same health condition of the citizens, with the same tax structure, therefore half the tax revenue. The tax revenue per capita would be exactly same as for the twice the size USA. Why would it be less difficult for this imaginary country to provide health care, than for the bigger US?
St Simons - codewords are the new black
March 5th, 2012
6:28 pm
aww, 10 years into the future? really? really? that’s the soonest
poutrage you could come up with?
don’t worry, we’ll have universal coverage way before then,
right after we take yer gunnnns
and put em in those survivor seed canisters
and get back on the gold standard
and finish legislatin them wimmens uterus-es
and open those FEMA camps
on the trans ‘merka hiway to Mexico Citeh
President Chavez will take care of it (wink) after the 28th amendment
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 5th, 2012
6:30 pm
Do what?????? @ 6:21- Crack me up, man. That was good.
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You won’t get apologies from people like Bill Maher or all the other leftists who have said some of the most horrible, d-e-s-p-i-c-a-b-l-e things about us, and people like Sarah Palin. They get rewarded for those d-e-s-p-i-c-a-b-le things. They get to make movies out of their d-e-s-p-i-c-a-b-l-e things and amplify them. But all of the other leftists that call me and other conservatives the most rude and explicit names, never an apology. In fact, they get patted on the back. Don’t expect apologies. They are never going to apologize to you or me or any of us. That’s the difference between them and us, and it’s one more reason why ultimately we will prevail over them.
Rush is just sayin…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 5th, 2012
6:31 pm
Kyle, d-e-s-p-i-c-a-b-l-e will not make it by the censor without all the dashes, just sayin…
Michael H. Smith
March 5th, 2012
6:34 pm
Dusty
The medical device makers have the second highest profit margin in the medical sector: So they certainly aren’t financial dire straights.
Doctors are not the problem for the most part in my view. Many doctors are being victimized as much as the patients they can no longer afford to treat. Some have given up their practice because of that fact and it broke their hearts – No I don’t blame them(doctors) for having bad feelings or yes, HATING THE ESTABLISHMENT SYSTEM. They have every right after all they did to become a doctor to then have government, insurance companies and lawyers take it all from them… HELL YES I’D HATE IT TOO!
Perhaps you feel everything is fine, the medical establishment system we had before obumerCare wasn’t broken, so why should anyone fix it(Standard Republican Answer) .
If that is the case, I couldn’t disagree with you more.
It needs reform for numbers of reasons: Cost are too high, access is too minimal(in some rural areas non-existent), too little market competition, virtually no individual healthcare insurance portability and we have an aging population that will be dependent on Medicare which obumer gutted to the tune of $500 billion(all the more reason to take it out of political control), etc. etc., etc.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 5th, 2012
6:38 pm
“It is impossible,” Tocqueville writes, “to believe that a liberal, energetic, and wise government can ever emerge from the ballots of a nation of servants. The American republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money. When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education, the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint.
Yep and he’s been proven right.
We should be so proud of ourselves, not.
Pizzaman
March 5th, 2012
6:39 pm
I have chosen not to read any of this from word one of Kyle’s crap. It has been the mission of the Tea-Redneck- Limbaugh loving-Bigot- Republicans to get the N….. out of “their” White House. You want “your” Country back? Well I want you out of “my country”. What have any of you done for “your ” country.I fought in Vietnam. What have any of you done except show your hatred of Black people!
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
6:39 pm
Linda 4:59 pm@: MarkV@1:06, “The more taxpayers, the more taxpayer money available.”
“ Hey, liberal women, Mark is trying to take away your “free” contraception coverage so we can have more babies that grow up & become taxpayers so the government can have even more money to spend. You will just have to be satisfied with “free” windshield wiper blades from Obama.”
Linda, only now I have noticed your post above, which has an even lower quality than the usually poor quality of your posts. I did not intend to go back to the contraception debate again, but since you have started, here is my response:
The recent debate on this blog regarding Rush Limbaugh’s attack on Ms Fluke was revealing. Not because ragnar danneskjold and Tiberius repeated what Peggy Noonan, a conservative with whom I almost never agree on anything, called crude, rude, even piggish, what another conservative, Kathleen Parker, called vile, repugnant, a behavior deserving contempt, demeaning to a young woman who was merely voicing her opinion. That was to be expected from those two, just as Tiberius’ lying, and when caught in a web of the lie, his trashing and slashing rather than admitting it. Neither was surprising td’s babbling and whining that I had not presented an argument. Argument to show that people should not without justification crudely, rudely and piggishly insult people they do not know because of voicing an opinion?
No, the revealing part was the behavior of the prominent conservative woman on this blog, Linda, who chose to insert herself into the debate, but did not show the decency to denounce the insults. Linda, you can deceive herself by calling yourself a lady, but you have failed the test.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
6:43 pm
I see MarkV has his panties in a wad again today.
You wanna butch it up a bit tonight, MarkV?
Michael H. Smith
March 5th, 2012
6:45 pm
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
6:14 pm
Enjoy… I’ll be waiting with all my CHF and BP research info in hand, though, something tells me you’re just clowning around. Between fast food and processed food who needs obumer’s population control czars?
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
6:46 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate! @6:43 pm: “You wanna butch it up a bit tonight, MarkV?”
Not with fools and liars. Therefore, you are excluded on both counts.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
6:50 pm
Michael@4:54, Me, too.
@5:02, I don’t accept “free” medicines. We pay our own way. Otherwise, I agree.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
6:50 pm
“The recent debate on this blog regarding Rush Limbaugh’s attack on Ms Fluke was revealing.”
She’s a slut plain and simple. If that idiot can’t afford birth control yet she can afford 50 grand for law school, she’s an effing moron.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
6:51 pm
“Crack me up, man. That was good.”
Just telling it like it is, yo! His daughter is going to be unemployed real soon because there isn’t a market for people with degrees in Maya Angeloooooooo.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
6:52 pm
Pizzaman ain’t getting a tip.
Do what??????
March 5th, 2012
6:53 pm
“Not with fools and liars.”
So stop being a fool and a liar.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
6:53 pm
MarkV doesn’t want to engage his betters in debate.
Typical.
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
6:58 pm
No debate with fools and liars. Therefore, Tiberius is excluded on both counts.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
7:02 pm
Dusty@6:14, In California, some municipalities have banned “free” junk toys with kids’ meals. If I was a momma in CA., I would buy & take my own junk toys to the fast food restaurants & insert them in the sacks, just for my rights as a parent.
The next thing we will know, CA will be replacing junk toys with condoms.
Liberals eat their children
March 5th, 2012
7:11 pm
Obama must go at all costs. Obama the traitor must go. Obama has done too much damage to America. And send his ugly fat butt wife Michele with him. We can’t afford anymore Obama vacations on the taxpayer’s dime I mean millions.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
7:15 pm
Liberals eat their children, we try to debate issues with substance here on Kyle’s blog.
We leave the hyperbole and nonsense to Trash, getaclue and MarkV.
Step up your game, please.
Liberals eat their children
March 5th, 2012
7:21 pm
The DNC was behind this contraception matter. It was designed to piss off the women voters for the GOP. It’s just a trick by the democrat deceivers to fool you and get you to vote for the racist idiot Obama and company. Typical Democrat liars and the useful idiots in the mainstreet media like Jay and older brother Jim in this same rag of a newspaper. This 30 year old women that was called a slut by Rush is just that a 30 year old democrat community organizer slut. This is the type of stuff the democrats will do in this election. So wake up and don’t be fooled again folks. How come the mainstreet media isn’t mad at the liberal democrats and the Obama people for all the ugly things they have said about conservatives and whites???????????
ragnar danneskjold
March 5th, 2012
7:38 pm
Thank goodness the criticism of yours truly was from MarkV rather than from someone with any credibility.
ragnar danneskjold
March 5th, 2012
7:38 pm
With MarkV it is all epithets all the time – never any room for substance.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:41 pm
Bob: How many Ob[ozo] voters actually think
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None of them. That’s why they’re Obozo voters.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:42 pm
If that idiot can’t afford birth control yet she can afford 50 grand for law school, she’s an effing moron.
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Word.
Pizzaman
March 5th, 2012
7:46 pm
Do What @ 6:52—
Here’s two tips.
No President Can repeal any law. Congress has to do it. So if a Republican wins they also have to have Congress to do anything.
The main parts of the new health care bill don’t take affect till 2014. So all the Republican …. about how much it’s costing now is just that …. . And IF your payment to your company’s provided health benefit has increased in the last few years it has nothing to do with any Federal Law. Most health care is still unregulated hence all the arguments including the birth control one.
Oh yea one more. 28 states already require what the administration, cover birth control, has ordered. And yes GA is one of the 28. How come Kyle and the rest of you redneckrepublicans haven’t bitched about your state and the republicans how mandated what your bitching about???
Get a clue! Learn! OPS forgot, closed minded people have no personal opinions they let someone else think for them.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
7:49 pm
Pizzaman: 28 states already require what the administration, cover birth control, has ordered. And yes GA is one of the 28
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Wrong. Georgia doesn’t violate the First Amendment’s separation of church and state by requiring churches to provide contraception, abortifacients, or sterilization, in violation of their religious beliefs.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
7:54 pm
“No President Can repeal any law. Congress has to do it. So if a Republican wins they also have to have Congress to do anything.”
That’s not entirely true, Pizzaman. The President has the power of Executive Orders, which can go a long way towards nullifying the more onerous parts of any law. In addition, the President can simply refuse to fund any portion of a law he doesn’t wish to fund, and Congress has to override a veto if they try to put that funding back in. So there are repeals, and there are repeals.
“The main parts of the new health care bill don’t take affect till 2014. So all the Republican …. about how much it’s costing now is just that …. . And IF your payment to your company’s provided health benefit has increased in the last few years it has nothing to do with any Federal Law.”
Not true at all, Pizzaman. Mandated coverage for kids until they’re out of college started immediately. Most plans increased their costs accordingly. Our county alone had to pay another $1 million a year just to satisfy that mandate.
“Most health care is still unregulated hence all the arguments including the birth control one.”
Not even close, Pizzaman.
“Oh yea one more. 28 states already require what the administration, cover birth control, has ordered. And yes GA is one of the 28. How come Kyle and the rest of you redneckrepublicans haven’t bitched about your state and the republicans how mandated what your bitching about???”
While I am not a redneck, nor a Republican, I have been complaining about state mandates on insurance for over a decade, Pizzaman.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
7:55 pm
ragnar, I don’t know about you, but I feel I’m in pretty good company with you in MarkV’s doghouse.
Michael H. Smith
March 5th, 2012
8:07 pm
…“free” medicines, Linda? C’mon we both know better than “free” as in it cost nobody nothing, as to why I wrote “free of charge” which doesn’t mean “free of costs”. Publix recoups their costs of providing this to the public when we buy groceries from them or as part of some program that once again we consumers pay for in some way no doubt.
But I don’t mind this kind of thing(or the birth control pills given out at health depts. at no charge – $3,000 give me a break
).
We’ve all seen really though times in our lives, I’m sure you can agree, others may be twixt and ‘tween that rock and a hard place who need those “free of charge” drugs: Especially elderly people on really low fixed incomes that don’t have the money to pay for 20 caps of drug like Amoxicillin or monthly BP meds like Lisinopril. But if you insist, Walmart/ Sams and Kroger too I believe, have a prescription drug plan with a huge list of generic drugs for a cost of only $4.
I hope you and I both will always be able to continue to pay for our medicines. But having seen what some drugs cost Linda, I’d feel more comfortable not talking too loudly and I don’t mind taking a good deal when it is offered, “free of charge”.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
8:20 pm
MarkV@6:39, I predicted to my husband that you would have at least a 2 inch response from my comment. I was wrong. It’s 8 1/2 inches long. I measured it. I evidently hit a multitude of your nerves. Bless your heart & all your other organs!
I’m the “prominent conservative woman on this blog?” Why, thank you, MarkV! My husband is SO proud & my parents would be so proud, also!
The liberal outrage over Limbaugh’s comments are biased & stupid. The left wing media has blasted conservatives in every way with far more disgusting words & phases, for years. Didn’t Ed Shultz call Ingraham a “right-wing sl@#? Didn’t Bill Maher call Palin a c@#$? Kristen Powers, a Democrat, is outraged over the liberals’ hypocrasy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/04/rush-limbaugh-s-apology-liberal-men-need-to-follow-suit.html
I was called the same thing Sunday on Kyle’s blog, multiple times, that Limbaugh called that woman, & you never defended me, & when I brought it to your attention, you said you didn’t notice. Even after I asked for your defence, you never defended me, as a lady, & now you are telling me I’ve failed the test as a lady, & you accuse me of having no decency?
If Kyle had a poll on a Friday & asked what “regular” on this blog was the most insulting, you would win the prize by a huge majority.
@@
March 5th, 2012
8:22 pm
“It’s discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit.”–Noel Coward
Still no Hillbilly?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 5th, 2012
8:42 pm
My God, the liberals make me sick-
Dachau survivor meets liberator – Greenbaum, 87, and Gross, 83, don’t think they met that day in Dachau but nevertheless share a bond. – Urinal
Need some Jewish votes, you National Socialist pukes?
@@
March 5th, 2012
9:02 pm
Upon Andrew Breitbart’s death, this comment was left at a CNN blog.
One less jewbag, more to go
Typical left-wing comment. LIMBAUGH crossed the line!!??!!
A transcript from his program:
Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error. I became like them, and I feel very badly about that.
BINGO!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/05/why_i_apologized_to_sandra_fluke
The left continues to call Sarah Palin a media wh*re. Ms. Fluke is STILL out there complaining (The View). What does that make Ms. Fluke?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 5th, 2012
9:16 pm
Who fluking knows?
Linda
March 5th, 2012
9:28 pm
What is the relationship that MarkV has with Fluke?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
March 5th, 2012
9:32 pm
I have to give al Qaeda and other assorted anti Semites credit here, at least they are honest about their feelings towards the Jews, no matter how close it is to election day.
You liberals have descended to depths unknown by any other sicko that has existed before you.
Pizzaman
March 5th, 2012
9:33 pm
Tiberius @ 7;45P
You made some points but:
Only Congress can fund and/or repeal. An EO may change how the Law is enforced but it still has to be enforced. IF a President were to try to not enforce a law he/she “should” be impeached. And YES all those “signing” statements by Bush, Jr., and any other President for that matter, are unconstitutional and an impeachable offence. Congress has no balls!
The only parts of the new health care law now in affect are the “pre-existing” mandate for children and the, how did you call it “until they’re out of college”. I don’t think anyone can disagree with covering children but you never know. The “out of college” mandate is only a one year addition. Till the new bill it was 25, now it’s 26. The other requirements are still in college and “dependant” on the parents. In BOTH cases the cost has been born by the insurance companies and the policy holder. NO Federal new money till 2014.
As far as I know, and I participate in 2 of these, only Medicare, Medicaid and Military are “controlled” by the Government. Even Federal employees, other than those just mentioned, can choose. My wife works for the Feds and doesn’t have Fed insurance. She found it cheaper and better elsewhere, although it’s going up astronomically in anticipation of “upcoming” events.
I fully agree that Federal or State “mandates” are wrong. But how else are the politicians going to make a killing. If they can’t provide mandates nobody would try to buy their vote.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
9:36 pm
“Till the new bill it was 25, now it’s 26.”
Nope. There was no mandate for 25 in any Federal law on coverage of children.
ragnar danneskjold
March 5th, 2012
9:49 pm
Dear Tiberius @ 7:55, agree, thanks. I think I’ve hit a nerve when they start with the epithets – as if their brains can no longer form a real thought and they simply spew. My second favorite moment is when one of them quotes the first six words I write along with a typical leftist “non-thought.” I am saving a verbal skewer for one of those, just waiting for the best victim.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
9:57 pm
Michael@8:07, There ain’t nothing “free.” If drug stores want to offer “free” drugs, that’s fine by me. Our family pays our way. I told my husband 36 yrs. ago that I could take care of myself, which is what I continue to do. I seldom shop at Publix cause I ain’t no yuppie, that it, a shopper who doesn’t look at prices, let alone compare them with other grocery stores. If pharmacists want to help low-income families, that’s great, but my household will not take away from that incentive.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
10:03 pm
If Obamacare could “CURE” the left-wing liberal brain-damaged ideology, would it be worth sacrificing the fragile debt-ridden focus of the progressives?
Dusty
March 5th, 2012
10:19 pm
Well, I think all of you should go back and read Kyle’s opening statement again. He made it quite clear why he thought Obamacare is a nightmare for taxpayers. He was accurate and did it without rancor.
Too bad the quality of this blog cannot be the same. We could have a debate and not a cat fight. Maybe we should try it sometime. Civility is said to be very enjoyable!!
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
10:20 pm
ragnar danneskjold complaining about epithets? The same ragnar danneskjold who called a young woman a slut just because she dared to express an opinion different from his? Who repeated the insult that some other conservatives called crude, rude, even piggish, vile, repugnant, a behavior deserving contempt? Yes, sure, that ragnar danneskjold can talk about epithets!
MarkV
March 5th, 2012
10:22 pm
Linda @9:28 pm: “What is the relationship that MarkV has with Fluke?”
It is a matter of decency, Linda. You would not understand.
Linda
March 5th, 2012
10:33 pm
MarkV@10:22, It is a matter of decency, which you can’t ever understand, because you are flawed & indecent, from the soles of your feet to the hairs on your head. I’m still praying for you.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
10:35 pm
Toughen up, Ginger (MarkV).
- – - – retentive isn’t sufficient to accurately describe you, son.
Don't Tread
March 5th, 2012
11:28 pm
“It is increasingly clear that taking the law completely off the books is the only way to avoid a true fiscal catastrophe.”
Not to mention a true Constitutional catastrophe. But then again, Democrats could care less about the Constitution. The end justifies the means, as far as they’re concerned.
Pizzaman
March 5th, 2012
11:30 pm
Tiberius @ 9:36
There is still no Federal mandate. It was cover up to 25 IF the policy owner (parent) wanted to pay and if the student was still dependant, the student could be covered till 25. The BIG change: the age limit is now 26. All other provisions still apply. It is not a mandate to anyone. If the policy owner wants to pay the increased premium for their 25 yr old rising to 26 yr old dependant, estimated at @ 30$/m, they can CHOOSE to do so.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
March 5th, 2012
11:33 pm
Then why was it in the BILL, Pizzaman?
Congress doesn’t put “suggestions” into law, you know.
Pizzaman
March 5th, 2012
11:39 pm
Read the bill. It’s optional. It is in the bill because it rasied the age from 25 to 26.
Pizzaman
March 5th, 2012
11:43 pm
Dusty @ 10:19
How does Kyle or anyone else for that matter know what it’s actually going to cost since the actual cost’s don’t arrive till 2014. Till then it’s all speculation. Look what speculation has done to the price of gas. No candidate or sitting President can mandate to “pig oil” or any other “private company” how to do business.
Pizzaman
March 5th, 2012
11:51 pm
Tiberius,
If you consider the fact that the bill raised the age of an option one tear then yes it is a mandate. The insurance company has to offer the coverage up to 26 if the policy owner wants to pay the increased premium.
If you consider this a mandate then you probably think social security is a Ponzi scheme. Another place we’ll never agree on. But then again God bless America. It lets us disagree.
Bernie
March 6th, 2012
4:25 am
The same was said of Medicare too!
We were also told that the Iraqi’s would throw flowers and candy. All the soldiers have seen is IED’s!
We were also told that it would pay for itself. A trillion dollars later and cost is stillsoaring with no end in sight.
At leats this time..it will be for all of the American People! and I am willing to bet on them any day of the
week.
unlike you Kyle and your ILK! who would rather see it perish first, than to see any level of success by a Man of color at the helm. That is the part that irks you to no end!
despite all of your wishes of failure and despair it still flourshes as a cedar of Lebannon. strong and full of life.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 6th, 2012
5:31 am
Bernie: At leats this time..it will be for all of the American People!
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No, Bernie, as usual “it” isn’t for all the people. The paying is for a select few (the productive, responsible class) and the getting is for the parasite Democrat voting class.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
March 6th, 2012
6:10 am
That’s why it’s a nightmare for tax PAYERS.
It’s a dream come true for folks who don’t care to work for a living and contribute nothing to the running of the government.
Alexander
March 6th, 2012
8:08 am
Medicare works well and given the ridiculous private health insurance industry shell game, universal health care would be worth the cost. Here’s a vote for upping the ante on the current law.
Alexander
March 6th, 2012
8:11 am
However, given the current “wellness” trend in private insurance, I foresee great inconvenience in accessing insurance for people who eat like Jabba the Hut going forward (whether private or public)
wallbanger
March 6th, 2012
9:04 am
Obama a “straight talker”. I listen to him, and at the end of every speech ask myself “how”? He spouts nonsensical pie in the sky bus and everybody slobbers over him, but there is no reality check, ever.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 6th, 2012
9:08 am
Obozo’s policies usually depend on some kind of magic occurring, like reducing the deficit by creating a new trillion dollar entitlement. He’s a liar and a communist, and if you vote for him, you’re an American in name only.
Do what??????
March 6th, 2012
9:17 am
“How does Kyle or anyone else for that matter know what it’s actually going to cost since the actual cost’s don’t arrive till 2014.”
So you admit that no one knows how much this thing will cost. Not a good thing, pizzaface.
Do what??????
March 6th, 2012
9:18 am
“Get a clue! Learn! OPS forgot, closed minded people have no personal opinions they let someone else think for them.”
“We have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it” – Nancy Pelosi
Do what??????
March 6th, 2012
9:19 am
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Yep, and while Bookman went on and on about how evil Limbaugh is, he didn’t say a peep about the comments about Breibart or Palin.
Libs = retards
Jefferson
March 6th, 2012
9:23 am
Eventually, you will like the program as it improves the quality of american lives. Get in line, its easier to go with the parade. Nightmares are imaginary.
Do what??????
March 6th, 2012
9:29 am
“Eventually, you will like the program as it improves the quality of american lives.”
Yeah, if you like waiting in line for 14 hours to see a doctor.
If you like sitting in pain as you wait to have your appendix removed.
If you like waiting years to have simple knee surgery.
Do what??????
March 6th, 2012
9:36 am
Well, well, well…the truth comes out about the slut.
Sandra Fluke, Gender Reassignment, and Health Insurance
Sandra Fluke is being sold by the left as something she’s not. Namely a random co-ed from Georgetown law who found herself mixed up in the latest front of the culture war who was simply looking to make sure needy women had access to birth control. That, of course, is not the case.
As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students’ birth control. She has been pushing for mandated coverage of contraceptives at Georgetown for at least three years according to the Washington Post.
Brie
March 6th, 2012
9:47 am
An intelligent woman would research coverage within an insurance program before choosing to attend a university. S. Fluke is either lacking intelligence or a subversive operative within the DNC. If contraceptive coverage was so important she should have gone to Syracuse.
S. Fluke deserves no sympathy. No support.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
March 6th, 2012
10:03 am
The Fluker is starting to look like a religiophobic Catholic-hater attempting to use government to deprive Georgetown of their First Amendment rights.
Do what??????
March 6th, 2012
10:07 am
“S. Fluke is either lacking intelligence or a subversive operative within the DNC.”
Both.
UGA 1999
March 6th, 2012
10:16 am
Haven’t we been saying this since day 1?
Brie
March 6th, 2012
10:19 am
Obama grew up privileged while his nanny suffered persecution under Islamic fundamentalism.
Obama’s transgender ex-nanny outcast in Indonesia
Do what??????
March 6th, 2012
10:22 am
“Obama grew up privileged while his nanny suffered persecution under Islamic fundamentalism.
His brother grew up in a hut and his grandmother is an illegal alien.