2012 Tuesday: Michigan is the show-me state for Santorum
Our unscientific poll last week found that, by about a 3-to-2 margin, readers believe Newt Gingrich would be hurt more by losing next week’s Georgia primary than Mitt Romney would by losing today’s primary in his native Michigan. Today, I’m going to suggest the person with the most riding on one of these states is neither Gingrich nor Romney, but Rick Santorum.
If one believes the “Mitt Romney vs. the Not-Romneys” narrative of this GOP primary, it follows that Santorum must buck the trend of all the other short-term front-runners if he wants to be a serious threat to topple Romney in the end. There is little reason to believe Santorum has risen to his current No. 1 spot by mere force of personality or policies: His personality and policies didn’t keep him out of fifth and even sixth place for much of the race, and they haven’t changed during the past two months when he became a top-tier candidate (or survivor, depending on how you view him). So, we need to see if he can buck the trend.
The trend to which I refer actually is two-fold: Before the primaries began, a Not-Romney front-runner — Rick Perry or Herman Cain — rose to the top, only to be brought down by his own actions. Perry’s debate gaffes and Cain’s increasingly apparent lack of preparedness on topics such as foreign policy. (I continue to believe Cain’s missteps on this front had more to do with his downturn in popularity than did the allegations of sexual harassment and an affair, although the latter did finally push him out of the race.) For both Perry and Cain, the candidate’s undoing was his own fault.
Once the primaries began, a different — and, for Santorum now, a more relevant — trend emerged: One candidate would win a primary and gain (or re-gain) the front-runner status, only to be brought back to the pack. These downturns usually followed a barrage of negative advertising: e.g., Gingrich’s attacks on Romney in South Carolina, and Romney’s returning the favor big-time in Florida. (I do not place Santorum’s win in Iowa in the context of this trend, because he wasn’t actually declared the winner over Romney until weeks after the fact.)
Now we have Santorum, still riding the momentum of his triple wins on Feb. 7 in Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri, and trying to prove in Michigan that he can really hang with Romney. Opinion polls forecast a narrow win for Romney or a narrow win for Santorum, depending on which one you view, after each man has taken a turn leading the state by a healthy margin. Gingrich and Ron Paul have effectively conceded Michigan, so it’s a two-man race.
Once again, Romney has used his campaign’s financial advantage to blister Santorum with negative ads, largely about his spending record in Congress. But unlike Gingrich in Florida, and Iowa before that, Santorum has not withered. At least, not if you believe the polls.
By late tonight, we’ll know how close the election really was and, barring a ballot controversy, who won it. It remains to be seen if a narrow loss by Santorum would cast enough doubt on his candidacy to put Romney back in front or if — as Santorum’s campaign staff is already spinning it — merely running close in Romney’s home state would be enough of a victory. This much, however, certainly is true: Eventually, if one of these Not-Romneys is going to be the nominee, he’s going to have to take the lead and hold it.
Santorum may have won the (non-binding) primary in Missouri. But for a lot of GOP voters, Michigan is more of a show-me state.
(Note: I will be on the road today following the Gingrich campaign in Northwest Georgia, so my blogging and responding to your comments will be sporadic.)
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Do what??????
February 28th, 2012
9:38 am
“Santorum may have won the (non-binding) primary in Missouri. But for a lot of GOP voters, Michigan is more of a show-me state.
Well yeah, considering Michigan is a traditional socialist state that currently went red after 2010.
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
9:45 am
What the Michigan primary will show is whether the Republican base in that state can swallow or even admire the incredible lack of reason, logic and truthfulness Santorum has consistently and sincerely exhibited in his campaign speeches and interviews, and favor him over the insincere and flip-flopping Romney with his penchant for putting his foot in his mouth but with a better chance to defeat Obama.
Do what??????
February 28th, 2012
9:51 am
“flip-flopping Romney with his penchant for putting his foot in his mouth but with a better chance to defeat Obama.
Speaking of foot in mouth disease, nothing will compare to Obozo apologizing to the Afghans or playing the race card to get black people to vote him back in.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
9:58 am
“Flip-flopping”
A term used by unintelligent people who believe that you may never change your original position on any issue in the face of new evidence.
G whiz
February 28th, 2012
9:58 am
Santorum appears to know how to campaign. I’ts pretty amazing what he is doing in Michigan. Gotta give him credit even if he doesn’t win. I think Romney has missed his chance to connect with most voters. Poor people, Cadillacs and all his rich friends – would he brag about how many USS carriers and Stealth Fighters he has along with all his other toys?
Odis
February 28th, 2012
9:59 am
I think that if Romney loses Michigan it becomes a serious body wound for him. The fact that most polls have the race as a dead even is not a good sign for Mittens. How weak of a candidate must you be to be in a neck in neck race in a state where you grew up in and your father was a multiple term governor? Not to mention that Romney will lose most of the Super Tuesday states!
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
10:10 am
“…the incredible lack of reason, logic and truthfulness Santorum has consistently and sincerely exhibited in his campaign speeches and interviews, …”
Is that an opinion or is their unaltered, not taken out of context evidence? Every explanation I have heard him give when hit from the Left has been very acceptable.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
10:19 am
“How weak of a candidate must you be to be in a neck in neck race in a state where you grew up in and your father was a multiple term governor?”
Well, considering that the father’s last term in office ended in 1969, I’d say that most people voting in this primary don’t even remember who George Romney was.
So it really says, “Not much”.
td
February 28th, 2012
10:21 am
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
9:45 am
“What the Michigan primary will show is whether the Republican base in that state can swallow or even admire the incredible lack of reason, logic and truthfulness”
Your secular humanism has risen its ugly head. Your dislike for social conservatism blinds your own professed reason and logic. Tisk, tisk.
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 28th, 2012
10:22 am
No, its put up or shut up for Richie Rich Rmoney.
For seven years They’ve tried to sell him to the snakehandler base.
Ching-No sale
Trump-Palin-Tebow in the Broken Convention! Its Transformational!
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
10:28 am
JohnyReb….Please explain Santorum’s explination for “dogging” Obama’s push for higher education when he is literally taking bits and pieces of the SOU speech and using it on the stump?
Joe the Prophet
February 28th, 2012
10:30 am
It’s very sad. My Republican party has lost it’s way…!!!! They rail against contraception and gay marriage…..yet they support a polytheist polygamist……by focusing solely on defeating the Democratic President, conservatives are going to doom this country to failure…and potentially worse…!!!!!
Yes, Rick Santorum will lose in the general…BUT AT LEAST HE WILL LOSE ON HIS CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES…!!!!! America will not, and should not, elect a Mormon cultist President…I don’t care how rich he is…..I would rather have four more years of President Obama than vote against the teachings of Christ….
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
10:34 am
td @10:21 am: “Your secular humanism has risen its ugly head. Your dislike for social conservatism blinds your own professed reason and logic. Tisk, tisk.:
My secular humanism? Show me the secular humanism in my post. This is not about what I believe, but whether you can read.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
10:40 am
Yeah, Joe the Prophet, it’s better to go down in flames when the next 5 years could see 3 Supreme Court justices being replaced, rather than going with the ONLY guy who has a chance of beating the current Disaster-in-Chief, simply because you don’t believe in his faith.
And please provide any proof whatsoever that Romney has more than one wife.
Otherwise, your charge that he is a polygamist is false and misleading.
What is really sad is that people who allegedly believe in the U.S. Constitution would even consider their vote for someone based on their religion, especially since they have never GOVERNED with their religious views, nor would Congress allow them to do so.
Pitiful, really.
td
February 28th, 2012
10:41 am
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
10:34 am
“incredible lack of reason, logic”
You are good at not giving away any real information about what you believe but sorry you just did with the above phrase. Most common phrase used by secular humanist and almost exclusively used by them. You can deny if you like but now we all know.
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
10:48 am
JohnnyReb @10:10 a: “Is that an opinion or is their unaltered, not taken out of context evidence? Every explanation I have heard him give when hit from the Left has been very acceptable.”
Nothing taken out of context. If you find everything you have heard him “very expectable,” then either the same lack of reason, logic and truthfulness applies to you, or you have not paid much attention.
Question: “: On that question of bailouts, you also ran an ad in Michigan where you suggested Governor Romney turned his back on the workers of Michigan, of course referring to the auto bailout there. But you also are opposed to the auto bailout. So isn’t it disingenuous to charge that Romney is turning his back on Michigan when you have the same position?
SANTORUM: Well, we have the same position on that, but we don’t have the same position on bailouts.”
Lack of logic: I can criticize Romney for this position on auto bailout even though I had the same position, because he had different position on other bailouts.
Question about Afghanistan: “ But if it was a mistake, isn’t apologizing the right, important (ph) thing to do?
SANTORUM: Well, again, it suggests that there is somehow blame, this is somehow that we did something wrong in the sense of doing a deliberate act wrong. I think it shows that we are — that I think it shows weakness.
I think what we say is, look, what happened here was wrong. But it was — it was not something that was deliberate, and we are — we — you know, we take responsibility for it. It’s unfortunate. But to apologize, I think, lends credibility that somehow or another that it was more than that.”
Lack of reason: If we apologize for a mistake, it it a weakness, and we are implying that it was deliberate.
Santorum either was not raised well, or developed bad manners later.
SANTORUM: “President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob.”
Liar.
SANTORUM: “Kennedy for the first time articulated the vision saying, no, faith is not allowed in the public square. I will keep it separate. Go on and read the speech. I will have nothing to do with faith. I won’t consult with people of faith.”
Liar.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
10:57 am
Anyone (pundit or blogger) who takes a single remark from any candidate and extrapolates it into a potential policy position is a waste of oxygen.
Jorge
February 28th, 2012
11:12 am
Santorum is Latin slang for SATAN! And he makes most of us wanna puke.
sheepdawg
February 28th, 2012
11:14 am
none of these gop clones are fit to lead the local PTA
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
11:14 am
td @10:41 am: “incredible lack of reason, logic” You are good at not giving away any real information about what you believe but sorry you just did with the above phrase. Most common phrase used by secular humanist and almost exclusively used by them. You can deny if you like but now we all know.
td,
I do not like the write the following unless absolutely necessary, but what you have just written cannot be called anything but stupid. “Incredible lack of reason, logic” is a phrase used “almost exclusively by secular humanists”? You are just trying to make us laugh, don’t you?
One more time, the subject of discussion is Santorum, not I. I could not care less what you call me. But to attack what I wrote originally because it shows secular humanism is beyond belief.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
11:19 am
Boy, I just love the deep analytical minds of posters like those @ 11:12 and 11:14.
Makes me feel like I’m back on Bookman’s blog.
Maybe I’ll get drunk just to make this fight fair.
I'd Vote for a Republican But I Am Allergic to Nuts
February 28th, 2012
11:19 am
If Santorum wins in Michigan that means there are a lot of HYPOCRITES in Michigan.
Michigan has some of the best colleges in the country (University of Michigan and Michigan State) and a lot of people have hopes of their children attending one of these schools.
Will they be afraid that they will be LABELED A SNOB by Tricky Ricky who has sent his children to college and he has 3 COLLEGE degrees.
Don’t do as he does….do as he says if you are a PUPPET.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
11:24 am
Te best response for people still harping on Santorum’s college / snob remark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiRGRvE_Wqg
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
11:26 am
Show me state? There’s not a state that can show me what I want to know.
Right now, there is not one Republican nor one Democrat that I am anxious to elect with my vote. Some are passable but none are wonderful.
Maybe I will vote for the Lone Ranger. He will dash into the Republican Convention on his big horse and announce his candidacy with Tonto as vice president.
Now there’s a team I can vote for with pleasure. They give no promises, shoot straight and have a record of rescue. What more is desirable? Also, nobody knows their political party! This gets better all the time!
Lone Ranger for President!! Never say neigh!!
td
February 28th, 2012
11:28 am
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
11:14 am
The prospective from which a blogger comes from says a great deal about how they are going to debate a point. Secular Humanist are hell bent of totally removing any form of religion from the public sphere and as such will do anything they can to discredit anyone that may not be in favor of their goals.
Knowing that you my friend are a secular humanist and as such your mission will tell all the readers how much they can take your statements with the correct prospective. Like it not you have given away yourself and your agenda.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
11:32 am
Not sure the horse race excites me – I don’t see significant policy differences among Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich, so any will be ok with me, and any would be a significant improvement over the status quo.
Although I am leaning toward Santorum, I am not certain why Michigan is a “must” win for Romney. Other than the fact that his dad was governor there 50 years ago, don’t think Romney has had any real contact with Michigan, his connections with Massachusetts and Utah seem much deeper; suppose this is just the “expectations” game played by the non-Romneys. It would be as if saying Pennsylvania is a must win for Gingrich, or Virginia is a must win for Santorum, since those were their birthstates, not necessarily a logical affirmation.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
11:34 am
So td let me ask you this…..If interjection of religion into public policy is ok, then is it fair to assume that it would as acceptable to you for a person that believes in Islam to inject their beliefs into public policy as well??? If not, Then why???
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
11:35 am
Dear Dusty @ 11:26, amusing note, my compliments. I don’t remember voting “for” any president since Ronaldus Magnus, and I will be voting against the strikingly incompetent incumbent again this time, even if SpongeBob SquarePants gets the republican nomination.
Lakeisha Jackson
February 28th, 2012
11:36 am
The Facebook page for Rachel Maddow’s show is urging all Democrats in Michigan to go out and vote for Rick Santorum, since it’s an open primary. Shows you whom they would prefer running against.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
11:37 am
Dear InsideOut @ 11:34, “it would as acceptable to you for a person that believes in Islam to inject their beliefs into public policy as well???” Sure, why not? The Moslems I have known were all decent people, not firebombers. Much more comfortable with a Moslem than with a secular humanist – at least the former have beliefs informed by a relationship with the Eternal Deity.
I'd Vote for a Republican But I Am Allergic to Nuts
February 28th, 2012
11:42 am
Rick Santorum’s contention that President Obama’s plan to make college more accesible is really a scheme to brainwash people into becoming liberals may have struck some outside observers as a little odd.
But for the tea party crowd , Santorum’s words about higher education were right on point.
“President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college,” Santorum said. “What a snob!”
****************************************************
TEA PARTIES are for little girls with IMAGINARY FRIENDS.
td
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
Lakeisha Jackson
February 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Yes, and 4 years ago Rush was running a similar program on his radio show to make sure Hilliary did not win the nomination because he did not think this country was foolish enough to elect Obama. How did that one work out?
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
ragnar,
While I often disagree with your presented politics, I find your answer honest and thoughtful…I seriously doubt that other bloggers that share your political ideology would be so open minded…
td
February 28th, 2012
11:47 am
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
11:34 am
I agree with Ragnar. Secular Humanism is a critical step towards communism according to Marx and as such is pure evil and an enemy of freedom.
GOP Fail
February 28th, 2012
11:49 am
This is to Do What @9:51, look genius, the African American populace is on 13% of the Nation’s population. So if Black people are the ones that voted President Obama in, I think a remedial math course is in your future. What voted the President in were Americans who, overall, have grown tired of the GOP failed policies of the last 8 years. Granted, the GOP made a big comeback in 2010, but what the Republicans did not count on was the monster it created with the Tea Party. They truly are a group that is comprised of citizens who just don’t want to see ANY Democrat be successful and then vote against their own interests to keep the status quo.
Wake up. Or have they? Santorum plays to that base, Romney has been forced to play to that base. Either way, for the nominating process that’s red meat. To most moderate and independents that’s extremely far to the right, with no path back to being either a moderate or centrist position. When the general election happens, the GOP will realize that the internal damage its done to its own brand, will haunt them for years. I believe that the GOP will vote for its candidate but in very small numbers. They have angered women, the gay community, students, unions and its workers, the Latino community, and people of color with insensitive remarks, ridiculous bills, obstructionism, and hypercritical acts that baffle everyone. Even the Republican leadership are recognizing the buffoonery that permeates the GOP field, yet they have not come out in a uniform fashion to stop the craziness. Sure, keep believing that this is a vetting process and that whoever the candidate that survives will be stronger. That is just plain hogwash.
So, go and follow the results. We will. But the sadder commentary is that the GOP is no closer to a unifying candidate than the Georgia State Panthers are to a national championship.
Still trying to rap my head around a leading candidate having a rally at a 65,000 seat stadium and only enough people to kinda fill an end zone. Fail. Or for Santorum to attack the President for wanting all people to have access to a college education…major fail. This is the best the GOP has to offer. Ultimate FAIL.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Where’s Hillbilly D today?
If Kyle is up in them thar hills checking on Gingrich (Kyle really wanted to see the scenary but that’s OK), Hillbilly better keep an eye on him. There are bears up there and they might like a tender young Republican.
If Kyle isn’t back by dark, we better send out a posse. Besides bears, there might be some wild Dems too. Now that’s scary!!.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
11:51 am
Dear Inside @ 11:44, thanks for a thoughtful answer. I believe the core problem with our culture is not that there is “too much participation by too many different thinkers,” but rather not enough. Too many concealed agendas, too much thunder and lightning and not enough life-sustaining rain. Rather than silence any, let’s hear them all. (As to my jibe at “secular humanists,” I resist them only because they attempt to silence others.)
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
“Still trying to rap my head around a leading candidate having a rally at a 65,000 seat stadium and only enough people to kinda fill an end zone.”
Still trying to wrap my head around a blogger who doesn’t know that the event in question was never meant to be populated with anyone but the local Chamber of Commerce invitees, and that the venue was used as a perk to those members, not as something to be filled.
Jefferson
February 28th, 2012
11:55 am
The GOP has again proved they have no credibility. To support them would be foolish, just look at the mess they find themselves in with all the butt kissing going on.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
11:55 am
Oh, and it wasn’t a “rally”. It was a scheduled speech in front of an organization. It is the media and the dumb masses who have spun it into a “rally”.
Will
February 28th, 2012
11:57 am
I think you are correct.
If Santorium loses both Arizona and Michigan today, he will be just the latest in a long line of the “flavor of the moment” for anti-Romney voters. Once again (insert here Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, etc) a “flash-in-the-pan” comes and goes.
If Santorium wins Michigan, I believe the momentum created by this victory will carry forward through next week, most likely ending what very little change Gingrich had of getting back into the nominating race. With that momentum will come more careful review and Santorium’s cultural extremism will not play well with pocketbook issue voters.
Although there is little doubt that the President’s campaign advisors are hoping and praying for Santorium or Gingerich as an opponent, Governor Romney is well financed and organized for the long haul – something no one other than Ron Paul can claim.
In the end, the voice of moderation and pragmatism will carry the day and Governor Romney will be a worthy challenger to the President’s re-election. I believe Governor Romney’s explanation that he was successful as governor in a liberal state because he moved to the middle in order to succeed. I also believe he will repeat that strategy as President because Govenor Romney is more interested in moving our beloved Republic forward than in making some sort of “purity of thought” last stand.
That’s what politicians do – run to the right or left but govern from the middle. Nixon, Reagan and both Bushes govern more closely as “Rockefeller Republicans” than “Goldwater Republicans”. In the end, extremism is, indeed, a vice (and a political loser) in the pursuit of liberty.
GOP Fail
February 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
Either way Tiberius, F-A-I-L!! LOL!! Don’t you think it would have come across better to the public if they had it in a large room at the stadium? Rally or a speech, does it matter? Or did you just hear that the trees were the right height?
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
Thank you, Ragnar.
As you see, I get a little bored with politics sometimes. But I am glad that there are deep thinkers on both sides who give us their valued opinions. Some have more “value” than others.
Let us hope that you do not have to vote for Sponge Bob Square Pants but who knows? He may have more support than the Lone Ranger. Michigan as the “show me state”? ? I still linger in the state of Mind..
Jefferson
February 28th, 2012
12:05 pm
So what’s the t reps done for ya ?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
It is only a fail to the dumb masses., GOP Fail.
Apparently, you’ve never run or been a part of a campaign, have you? Do you even belong to your local CofC? Attend their functions?
If you did, and you attended their functions, you’d know that having a speech in a room (and let’s face it, finding a room in a stadium for that size crowd is a tough thing to do) is NOT the same as being on the field, something many of them have likely never done before, and may never experience again.
It’s a perk, and it comes with being invited and connected. And it’s every bit a part of cementing relations with the people you want to donate to your campaign and talk you up in their community.
This was fodder for the media, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
southpaw
February 28th, 2012
12:10 pm
Vote @11:42-
Did little girls with imaginary friends hold the Tea Party that happened in Boston Harbor 200+ years ago?
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
12:12 pm
Secular humanists? What bad things are they doing?
Are they flying jets into buildings? Are they molesting boys like the Catholic priests? Are they blowing up federal buildings? Bombing Olympic Parks? Massacring kids at camp? Invading Iraq? Getting massages and meth with church member money? Getting rich off of their mega church while preaching their prosperity gospel?
Please explain.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
southpaw…… It is not 200+ years ago, and This bunch is Nothing like the orginal Patriots…
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
I have no problem with people of faith being in government, as long as they don’t try to legislate their morality on me.
Required reading
February 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
David Brooks summed up what is left of the GOP in today’s NYT op-ed column. Nuff said…….
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
td,
What you are doing is typical for non-thinking, biased people. For you, the important thing is not what a statement says. It is what the person making the statement is.
You really belong. We have so many examples. The important issue for Republicans is not whether something is good or bad, right or wrong, the important thing is whether Obama and Democrats are for or against it. And the same is true about your views of the posts on this blog. The intellectual dishonesty of that is staggering.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
12:19 pm
Ahhhh, David Brooks.
The be-all and end-all of thought on the GOP. (sarcasm)
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
Dear Dannyx @ 12:12, fair question, my allegation is they are “thought police.” Example:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Soledad_cross_controversy
I will provide as many examples as you require, to prove to your satisfaction that the secular humanists are indistinguishable from Nazis or Communists in the way they would compel people to think.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
“What you are doing is typical for non-thinking, biased people.”
Like accusing Mitt Romney of being a “flip-flopper”.
Pot – calling kettle . . .
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
12:21 pm
Dear Tiberius @ 12:15, I agree.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
12:21 pm
“intellectual dishonesty”
Should be the Term for the day =)
Dem having a moment
February 28th, 2012
12:22 pm
Hehehehehe………this is almost as much fun as watching a GOP debate for the 20th time go down in flames. Welcome to Obama second term
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
12:25 pm
“I will provide as many examples as you require, to prove to your satisfaction that the secular humanists are indistinguishable from Nazis or Communists in the way they would compel people to think.”
Your example is pretty tame by comparison of the many horrors done in the name of religion ragnar, very tame. Is that the best you can do?
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
12:25 pm
Dear MarkV @ 12:18, your argument would have merit if the current Oval Office Occupy movement ever did anything right or good.
Other than the Afghan surge, a no-brainer that took him two months to ratify, I find no initiative by the president that was meritorious. Leading from behind has left this country and the world in a mess. His signature domestic efforts – Dodd-Frank, ObamaCare, suspending oil drilling in the Gulf, and rejecting the Keystone pipeline have all increased unemployment at a time where additional jobs would have been beneficial. He strikes me as a malicious loser.
td
February 28th, 2012
12:27 pm
GOP Fail
February 28th, 2012
11:49 am
Wishful thinking my Democratic friend. For the most part the groups you listed are all Democratic groups and will come out and support except for women. Most people do not even start paying attention yet and will not until probably August.
White suburban women with children (Soccer moms) in 13 states will decide if Obama is given a second term or not. These women are not scared of the media driven campaign to scare them of Rick and social issues. They do care about the economy and since it appears to be on the up swing then Obama may be in good shape. They also drive there children to school and other activities in their SUV’s and they care about gas prices.
There are still way to many variables to predict what will happen but it will be a very close election and it is going to be very dirty election. BTW; Most polls show that independents get turned off by negative campaigning and this campaign is going to be more negative than any campaign since Andrew Jackson. The is a good likely hood that a great deal of independents will say the h311 with both candidates and sit at home making this a turnout the base election.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
Dear Danny @ 12:25, all of the deaths inflicted for all the misguided religions in the history of the world combined are a drop in the ocean compared to the deaths inflicted by Hitler, or the even greater number inflicted by Stalin, or the even greater number inflicted by Mao. The differences between those who believe in a deity and those who believe in the supremacy of man are more than a matter of good manners.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
12:35 pm
“I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord..”
Hitler was a Christian.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
12:48 pm
Dear DannyX, @ 12:35, you err – Hitler did not attend church even as much as Obama. His church was in his own mind.
Do what??????
February 28th, 2012
12:49 pm
David Brooks = moron.
Do what??????
February 28th, 2012
12:49 pm
“Hitler was a Christian.”
Liar.
Linda
February 28th, 2012
12:50 pm
DannyX@12:35, And Meryl Streep was Margaret Thatcher.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
12:50 pm
Dear Danny, from wikipedia: “It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was “deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian.”"
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
12:51 pm
“Hitler was a Christian.”
Or rather, Hitler CLAIMED to be a Christian.
Big difference.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
12:51 pm
Dear Danny, “Christianity is an invention of sick brains,” Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
12:54 pm
Dear Danny, essay by Dinesh D’Souza:
Christopher Hitchens in God Is Not Great depicts Hitler as a pagan polytheist — not exactly a conventional theist but still a theist. Atheist websites routinely claim that Hitler was a Christian because he was born Catholic, he never publicly renounced his Catholicism, and he wrote in Mein Kampf, “By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Atheist writer Sam Harris writes that “the Holocaust marked the culmination of…two hundred years of Christian fulminating against the Jews” and therefore “knowingly or not, the Nazis were agents of religion.”
How persuasive are these claims? My New York Times bestseller What’s So Great About Christianity has the full story and the requisite citations but here’s the condensed version. Hitler was born Catholic just as Stalin was born into the Russian Orthodox Church and Mao was raised as a Buddhist. These facts prove nothing as many people reject their religious upbringing, as these three men did. From an early age, historian Allan Bullock writes, Hitler “had no time at all for Catholic teaching, regarding it as a religion fit only for slaves and detesting its ethics.”
How then do we account for Hitler’s claim that in carrying out his anti-Semitic program he was an instrument of divine providence? During his ascent to power, Hitler needed the support of the German people — both the Bavarian Catholics and the Prussian Lutherans — and to secure this he occasionally used rhetoric such as “I am doing the Lord’s work.” To claim that this rhetoric makes Hitler a Christian is to confuse political opportunism with personal conviction. Hitler himself says in Mein Kampf that his public statements should be understood as propaganda that bears no relation to the truth but is designed to sway the masses.
The Nazi idea of an Aryan Christ who uses the sword to cleanse the earth of the Jews — what historians call “Aryan Christianity” — was obviously a radical departure from the traditional Christian understanding and was condemned as such by Pope Pius XI at the time. Moreover, Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not religious, it was racial. Jews were targeted not because of their religion — indeed many German Jews were completely secular in their way of life — but because of their racial identity. This was an ethnic and not a religious designation. Hitler’s anti-Semitism was secular.
td
February 28th, 2012
12:54 pm
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
Now you are arguing moral relativism. Second point to proving secular humanism. You are on a role today. There are rights and wrongs and they do not vary. If nothing is concrete then people are more willing to accept the government as an authority figure over there moral decision making. Just go ahead an admit that this is the goal of yourself and your beliefs. You are just on here trying to sell the idea that everyone can do whatever they want so that they give up their belief system. Once you leftest get the majority of the citizens to believe this then the next crisis happens the government then has the authority to make moral decisions for the people.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
1:07 pm
td, arguing rights and wrongs as if they are cast in stone is a pretty poor way to make your point in a shades of gray world.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
1:07 pm
Especially one which is populated with people that have free will.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
1:12 pm
wait…so td does not believe it is possible to live a moral life outside of organized religion???
td
February 28th, 2012
1:13 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
1:07 pm
So you do not think there are any moral absolutes in this world? Are we not “endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights ” Do we not have to abide by the “laws of nature” and “Natures God”?
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
1:14 pm
ragnar danneskjold @12:25 pm
That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. My opinion is different, but I am trying to avoid opinions ( lthough it is not true that I never give them). Opinions are cheap, and posting them here does not accomplish anything. I prefer arguments based on facts.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
1:16 pm
Why are you people in denial about Hitler? Hitler wrote about his beliefs and stated them in public speeches many times. Hitler was a Christian.
Since we are talking historically, so was every single leader in our own civil war, both sides. We killed almost a million of our own. We prayed for each others destruction. The KKK were Christians.
History is filled with stories of religious brutality. Secular humanists are nowhere near the threat that religion is, like it or not.
When ragnar states that secular humanists are more of a threat than religious people I say hogwash.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
1:22 pm
“So you do not think there are any moral absolutes in this world?”
Some. But I’ll bet not as many as you think there are.
“Are we not “endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights ”
The Constitution certainly says so. However, as fine a document it is regarding the limits of governmental power, it is not the definitive answer on how we got these rights.
Do we not have to abide by the “laws of nature” and “Natures God”?”
Funny, I’ve never read a copy of the “laws of nature”, nor of “Natures God”. Have you?
My only rule in life is to promise that I will never take anyone’s life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud, and simply ask you to do the same for me. Is that “moral” enough for you?
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
1:24 pm
td,
Again, you live in your own fantasy world, in which you think you are making points by labeling people and making assumption of what they believe. You are putting words and thoughts where none were given. It is useless to respond to you when you are arguing with yourself, with what you have dreamed up.
As for secular humanism which you seem obsessed with, if the main thing about them were reason and logic, and if it were not for a fact that I was not a joiner, I would say, “where do I sign up?”
carlosgvv
February 28th, 2012
1:28 pm
I used to think the people of Michigan were reasonably intelligent. If they give Santorum the win, I will know they are as dirt dumb as Georgia Republicans.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
1:29 pm
“Why are you people in denial about Hitler?”
Because any claims of his being a Christian were negated by his actions. And the fact that he was bat-$hit crazy.
Hitler wrote about his beliefs and stated them in public speeches many times.”
And Dr. Seuss wrote about a Grinch that stole Christmas. Does that automatically make the Grinch real?
“Hitler was a Christian.”
Correction, again. Hitler THOUGHT he was a Christian.
“History is filled with stories of religious brutality.”
Certainly true in the distant past, but unlike some, the need to go to war over a religious philosophy has been replaced by intelligence and reason.
“When ragnar states that secular humanists are more of a threat than religious people I say hogwash.”
The tens of millions of people murdered in just the last century by so-called Fascist, Socialist and Communists regimes would disagree with you, DannyX.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
1:30 pm
Oh my…how sad.
Those without faith of any kind should not try to identify the faith of others. If you have nothing stirrring in your own heart, you cannot recognize that which is dear to others.
You only show that you are an empty shell devoid of thankfulness for the blessings you have been given and no love for others. .
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
1:38 pm
So Dusty, Not beliving in your god means one is without the ability to love, and respect? A person is empty if they do not believe as you do? Wow… thats pretty damn judgmental…..
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
1:38 pm
“Those without faith of any kind should not try to identify the faith of others.”
And those with faith should stop trying to judge their fellow man if their faith differs. I suggest you all leave judging to whatever Deity you happen to believe in, as you are not capable, nor worthy to do so.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
1:39 pm
What ever happened to repsecting another person’s rights to believe as they chose and having them do teh same for you?? Where did that concept go???
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Correction, again. Hitler THOUGHT he was a Christian.”
In the same way that our own Christian leaders thought they were during the civil war? Or Bush when he was bombing Iraq?
“The tens of millions of people murdered in just the last century by so-called Fascist, Socialist and Communists regimes would disagree with you, DannyX.”
How about the planes flying into buildings? Israelis killing Palestinians? Palestinians killing Israelis? Bush bombing Iraq. On a more modern scale. Iran building nuclear weapons?
Again, my argument with ragnar is he thinks secular humanists are more of a threat than religious people, how so?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
1:47 pm
What part of “but unlike some, the need to go to war over a religious philosophy has been replaced by intelligence and reason”, did you NOT understand, DannyX?
Try READING. It’s fundamental!
“gain, my argument with ragnar is he thinks secular humanists are more of a threat than religious people, how so?”
Well, if you total up ALL the deaths caused by secular humanists in JUST THE LAST CENTURY, DannyX, they dwarf ALL the deaths caused by religious people since the beginning of mankind. That’s why.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
1:48 pm
INside OUt,
Why are you so defensive? I mentioned no one’s particular faith nor did I mention mine. . Just those that have no faith. It is STILL your choice or non-choice. That concept has gone nowhere. It is STILL up to you.
If you want to know about mine, I’ll be glad to tell you.
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
1:48 pm
td @12:18 pm: “Now you are arguing moral relativism.”
td,
In addition to everything else, you do not even know what you are talking about. When I criticized the Republicans for judging the issues depending on whether the Democrats and Obama are for or against rather than based on what is right or wrong, you accused me of moral relativism. I was criticizing moral relativism!
yuzeyurbrane
February 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
Kyle’s analysis is pretty good. As a Democrat, however, and maybe a purveyor of good advice to the GOP and the country, maybe the GOP should just go with its heart, Santorum, and let the American people have a clear ideological choice. Romney could probably beat Obama but that is because everyone thinks he is lieing about his conservative beliefs, as he probably is, and a majority of the country is middle of the road, as usual. But the right-wing crazies need a sound thrashing for this to turn the Republican Party from its nihilistic path. This would be good for the country, the art of compromise could surface again, good for the Democratic Party with a victory this election, and best for a resurgent Republican Party in the long run.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Certainly true in the distant past, but unlike some, the need to go to war over a religious philosophy has been replaced by intelligence and reason”
Intelligence and reason? Like flying planes into a building? Iran nukes? Our “Christian nation’s” Bush led Iraq war? Yea the Iraq war was based on “intelligence and reason,” LOL!
Sarah Coulter
February 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Tiberius, all the deaths this century outweigh the deaths from religion since mankind? Now, I know you are trolling.
The crusades, the slaughtering of natives that didn’t convert, and so forth.
I agree with Danny. Religious people are much more of a threat. Jim Jones is one example. Preachers talk people into doing all sorts of atrocities. Hell, they talk people into giving their last dollar and forego paying their light bill or rent.
Look at New Birth. People giving money to investors because the preacher said so, and then losing tons of money.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Well, since the blog has taken a religious turn, may I remind all Christians and others that this is the Lenten season when we prepare outselves for the great sacrifice and salvation of Easter.
Don’t forget the special worship services offered at most churches. We invite all to come and don’t care if you are a secular humanist or just a plain ol’ human. Come right on in. Love abounds.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
2:10 pm
What part of “but unlike some”, did you NOT understand, DannyX?
(This is like debating with Rain-man)
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
Sarah Coulter apparently can’t count.
Please rationalize the guaranteed TENS OF MILLIONS dead in JUST THE LAST CENTURY by the people who brought you Communism, Socialism and Fascism with the possible millions dead IN THE NAME OF RELIGION over the course of the world’s history.
Please.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
2:14 pm
“What part of “but unlike some”, did you NOT understand, DannyX?”
By some, do you mean just about every single conflict in the world right now Tiberius?
Greg
February 28th, 2012
2:18 pm
Tiberius @ 11:55 –
Isn’t it frustrating when the media spins things and the dumb masses eat it up? I know it is frustrating to me.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
2:30 pm
The big question for the afternoon!
Will Kyle come home from N. GA wearing a great big Gingrich button?
Will he have a little pair of MITTENS hanging from his rear view mirror?
Will there be baby shoes for Santorum?
To be (for one) or not to be? That is the question. Even Shakespeare knew it! (Wasn’t he a Republican?)
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
2:33 pm
Jim Jones, Sarah Coulter?
909 people died in the Jonestown massacre.
Vs. 6 MILLION in the Holocaust. Not including the war itself.
Stalin? By the end of 1933 ALONE, nearly 25 percent of the population of the Ukraine, including three million children, had perished. Estimates range from a MINIMUM of 15 MILLION deaths during his entire reign, to as many as 20 MILLION.
Mao? Nearly 40 MILLION deaths.
So, yeah, Sarah Coulter. Tell me about Jim Jones, or the 3,000 to 5,000 killed during the Spanish Inquisition, or any of the other DELIBERATE massacres under the guise of religion.
Make the case.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
DannyX, if you can equate the thousands of deaths being caused in the name of religion today, vs. the TENS OF MILLIONS (probably well over 100 million) killed in the name of secular humanism (in about a 50 year period,btw), have at it.
Make your case, son.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
2:45 pm
Tib….. From mein Kampf…
” Hitler’s religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf)
Hitler wrote: “I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord..” As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself. ”
Now you can try to say he was not a man of religion, but in his own words…….
Your turn to spin….
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
“Christianity in Europe during WWII
The Catholic and Protestant Churches in Germany set the foundation for WWII and the atrocities to occur. Popes, priests and nuns supported Hitler’s regime. Indeed, Hitler could not have come to power without Christianity’s help
Do I need to continue???
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
“Now you can try to say he was not a man of religion, but in his own words…….”
Again, Inside Out, Dr. Seuss wrote (in his own words) about a Grinch that stole Christmas. Do you believe in the Grinch, Inside Out?
Or I guess that you would automatically believe a schizoid megalomaniac and his writings, rather than the rather accepted version of Christianity by millions of people, which are demonstrably in complete opposition to Hitler’s actions.
Just so that it could fit your rather pathetic attempt to link Christians to killings.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
“Make your case, son.”
No you make your case and back up your silly “What part of “but unlike some, the need to go to war over a religious philosophy has been replaced by intelligence and reason”, did you NOT understand, DannyX?” comment.
My original comment to ragnar was for him to back up his claim that he is “Much more comfortable with a Moslem than with a secular humanist – at least the former have beliefs informed by a relationship with the Eternal Deity.”
Then you came in and offered absolutely nothing to help ragnar back up his claim. I offered plenty of examples, you none. Why? Because you can’t. I will crush you with evidence.
Then you offer up the lame “the need to go to war over a religious philosophy has been replaced by intelligence and reason.” No offense Tiberius, that sentence is laughable.
Right now we have Muslims killing Christians in the Middle East. We have Jews killing Muslims and Muslims killing Jews. We have the Taliban killing US soldiers because of a Koran burning. We have Islamic fundamentalists building a nuclear bomb in Iran.
What are the mean ol’ secular humanists up to? So far ragnar has mentioned they are trying to get a cross removed from a public place, oh the humanity.
Sarah Coulter
February 28th, 2012
3:05 pm
Where are you getting those numbers from the crusade? I guarantee you that you are getting them from the churches. Don’t you think that they would be a little deflated?
What is that quote about history being written?
And DannyX is right. No way would Hitler’s regime have come to power without the church’s support.
Do you think the economy has affected the church’s tithes and in-flow of cash? Do you see any church’s closing up shop?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:08 pm
Oh, and yes, do continue, Inside Out.
Be sure to include FDR refusing to acknowledge the beginnings of the Holocaust (But wait! Isn’t he a hero of yours?) or the turning away of the boatloads of Jews trying to escape Hitler’s purges by this country under FDR.
Lots of people sold their souls to remain alive during WWII, Inside Out. Many were priests and Christians. Do you paint them all with a broad brush as collaborators, or can you acknowledge that many people will do anything to remain alive, even to the point of being silent when the alternative is death?
How would YOU hold up under the stare of Adolph Hitler or Joseph Goebbels or Torquemada, Inside Out?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:10 pm
“What are the mean ol’ secular humanists up to?”
In case you missed the beginning of the 21s century, DannyX, they’ve been replaced by people possessing more reason and intelligence.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:12 pm
“Do you think the economy has affected the church’s tithes and in-flow of cash?”
Yes.
“Do you see any church’s closing up shop?”
Yes.
What is your point, Sarah Coulter? And more importantly, why are you deflecting, rather than staying on point?
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
3:18 pm
Dusty,
I sympathize with your desire to turn the direction of the debate (if it can be called a debate), but you are fighting a losing battle.
Sarah Coulter
February 28th, 2012
3:19 pm
What churches have closed up shop? I do not believe you. You do not see any vacant, boarded up churches or undeveloped parts of churches like empty businesses and buildings around Atlanta.
And my point is that despite a hardship, many religious sheep are still giving their last dollar because the preacher, pastor, or minister says that it is the right thing to. With that kind of reasoning, I stand by DannyX. If you are going to do something against your better judgment and reason, what else are you willing to do in the name of religion or because your preacher, pastor, or minister says for you to?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:19 pm
Sarah Coulter, your knowledge of history is rather lacking. I gave no figures for the Crusades. My figures were for the Spanish Inquisition, which is decidedly different from the Crusades.
btw, the Crusades were estimated to have killed approximately 3 million people.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:22 pm
“You do not see any vacant, boarded up churches or undeveloped parts of churches like empty businesses and buildings around Atlanta.”
maybe at some point you’ll realize that “around Atlanta” does not comprise the world, nor even the United States.
“I stand with DannyX.”
Ignorant is as ignorant does . . . .
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
3:22 pm
No Tibs… How I would hold up is not at issue.. You present a point and it has been proven false. You can excuse the church for is role in the rise of Hitler, but I refuse to give them a pass so easily. If theay are of such strong faith and moral standing, then my could they or did they not stand up to evil when it looked them in the eye? If they bowed down to as you say saty alive, then please tell me, how much different are then than the plain old humanist that does not pretend to have the backing of the big guy in the sky???
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
3:24 pm
LOL…excuse the typos… all this evil has my fingers all over the place!!! LOL =)
Sarah Coulter
February 28th, 2012
3:27 pm
“When I lose a battle, I turn to criticizing you. I am saying that I can’t argue with you about religious people because I know that you are right. I call you ignorant because and question your intelligence because you have backed my arse into a corner.”
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!, that is what is being filtered from 3:22 post.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:38 pm
“How I would hold up is not at issue.”
That is EXACTLY the point, Inside Out. You may not chastise others for that which you will not do yourself.
Even Christians aren’t perfect.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
Your filter needs cleaning, Sarah Coulter.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:44 pm
“And my point is that despite a hardship, many religious sheep are still giving their last dollar because the preacher, pastor, or minister says that it is the right thing to.”
And if they do so, what’s it to you, as long as their actions do not affect you?
And who are the sheep here, Sarah Coulter? The religious who at least stand for something, or the liberals who largely sit back and take what a benevolent government gives to them?
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
3:44 pm
Here you go again moving the goal post on your argument….The premise is not perfection The initial point was the millions upon million of people have died and continue to die under the banner of religion. Hitler was a “Christian” albeit a really, really warped one but her defined himself as one nonetheless. The Church bell has presided over many a funeral and signaled the start of battles that have caused many more. Don’t dance around it…The facts simply are what they are….
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
3:55 pm
“The facts simply are what they are…”
And there is where you have just lost the argument, Inside Out.
Facts are NEVER just what they are. Every fact is subject to interpretation according the time frame in which they exist, the situation(s) at the time in question, and any number of a dozen factors which thinking human beings apply to data on a daily basis.
Case in point: When you are nuts (and please, I hope you aren’t going to say that Hitler wasn’t nuts) anything you say or write is going to be judged by your actions. Therefore, Hitler saying or writing that he was a Cristian, or doing things in the name of the Lord, is subject to scrutiny.
Remaining silent in the face of death doesn’t automatically mean acceptance, but rather a survival instinct kicking in.
This isn’t some on/off, ones and zeros, black and white game, Inside Out. It is LIFE, with all the grays and shadows and circumstances attached to it.
Hitler saying he was a Christian does NOT make him a Christian.
md
February 28th, 2012
3:56 pm
“Santorum, after greeting diners in this Grand Rapids suburb, told reporters that he reached out to Democratic voters, who can vote in the primary, to show that “we can attract voters we need to win states like Michigan.”"
Shows his ignorance….as if those dems would actually vote for him against Obama. If he can’t see the problem of calling for the dems to vote in the gop primary, then he can’t see………
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
4:00 pm
md, Santorum has never really impressed me, but he’s having a particularly bad couple of weeks, isn’t he?
Sarah Coulter
February 28th, 2012
4:03 pm
You do keep changing the goal posts. The original argument was by ragnar about rather being around a bunch of religious people than secular, and the secularists being more dangerous.
As for the sheep, nice way to toss out the liberals. Don’t act like some of those getting handouts from the government aren’t turning right around and giving it to the preacher/pastor/minister.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
4:07 pm
Again you are moving the goal post…. And yes, Hitler was batSh*t crazy… But the same thing can be said by anyone that is capable of committing mass murder, whether they are Christian or Atheist….That he was REALLY a Christian or just pretending is neither here nor there,,,The only point that matters was in his crazy little mind he was ” fighting for the work of the Lord.” It was done under the the flag of religion…and again every other thing you add is just a smoke screen to give cover to the church……
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
4:10 pm
Sorry, Sarah Coulter, but there is no moving of the goal posts. Secularists have been proven to be more dangerous, if only through the sheer numbers in less than a century which dwarf every death attributed to religious people in the history of the world. Add in the way they accomplished those deaths, through incredible acts of inhumanity and the industrialized nature in which they killed people, and the original premise of ragnar’s in response to DannyX is quite correct.
Your grasp of history, religion, and basic numbers is indicative of a very unsound education.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
4:12 pm
Arguing with Rain-man again . . .
What’s it like to be perfect, Inside Out?
md
February 28th, 2012
4:13 pm
“md, Santorum has never really impressed me, but he’s having a particularly bad couple of weeks, isn’t he?”
Hope so…..having to choose between him and Obama would be difficult…..but what scares me more is Obama with another 4 years with dems controlling Congress. Let’s hope the House at least stays gop.
Folks don’t like the comparison to Greece, but they aren’t looking close enough. Greece arrived at the precipice traveling the exact same road.
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
4:14 pm
This must have been a rip roaring blog form the looks of things.
However it would certainly help if some folks took the time to learn what the word “Christian” actually means before they misapply it(due to their lack of knowledge) to devils.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
4:17 pm
Sorry I missed so much of the back and forth – does everyone agree now that Hitler was a mere poser, one who publicly affirmed his policies were those of Christ, but who obviously was pursuing his own agenda, merely mouthing the claim to assuage the concerns of the 1930’s German equivalent of bitter clingers?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
4:20 pm
If only, ragnar, if only.
I do think it’s been pretty comical that I have been arguing for the Christians, given my disdain for the religious right trying to foist their morals down my throat through government, however.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
4:24 pm
I have no idea what its like to be perfect…But I can sure as hell can tell you what its like to be sincere….I never raised the specter that they should be perfect…You pointed out that one should be judged by their actions more than than what they claim to be. If Hitler claimed to be a Christian but his actions were not very “Christ like” then please tell me how the church and all that comes with it can stand for can be excused for actions that they took that were not “Christ like ” either???
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
4:25 pm
After Santorum’s dirty little trick in Michigan to get democrats and union members (aided by democrats and Michael Moore) to vote for him in a GOP primary this guy can’t talk about anyone campaigning negatively. This sets another low even in desperation politics.
Sarah Coulter
February 28th, 2012
4:25 pm
And we go back to the belittling comments.
You are unbelievable. You completely ignore all of the killing still going on in the name of religion, and use the total deaths committed by secularists as a bizarre benchmark. And that is why there are still acts of violence committed in the name of religion. It gets excused.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
4:32 pm
Sarah, I do not ignore the current killing, nor do I excuse them. I merely put it in perspective in the larger context of the world.
And, no, Inside Out, you’re not perfect.
You just want it from those you disagree with.
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
4:34 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
4:20 pm
Don’t take it too hard, I often have to oppose the religious right for trying to foist their religious edicts into laws.
BTW, your two social pet peeves that we’ve argued about, my contentions are based on the Declaration’s unalienable rights to life in conjunction with Constitutional State’s Rights, not my religious beliefs.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
4:36 pm
Dear Sarah @ 4:25, agree that there are crimes committed by passionate believers, some random and some co-ordinated, but the benchmark was undoubtedly set by the secular humanists, those non-believers who think “eliminating” the problem is appropriate and permissible. Those who respect the existence of a higher authority than man are incapable of such a holocaust.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
4:37 pm
Dear Sarah @ 4:25, my original point was not to allege that secular humanists are plotting the murder of believers – merely to point out the obvious, that secular humanists oppose allowing the creche on the village green, to censor the speech of those whom they oppose.
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
4:40 pm
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
4:17 pm
You do understand that the term Christian means “Christ -like” person? For those who are so ignorant to think Hitler was a Christian, do tell us what proof you can offer of Jesus Christ killing millions of Jews or for that matter, of Jesus Christ ever having committed genocide?
I know a few things about Jesus Christ and I can tell you Hitler was no Jesus Christ.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
4:40 pm
I’m out for the evening.
Take up your Holy Wars without me.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
4:41 pm
“Sorry I missed so much of the back and forth – does everyone agree now that Hitler was a mere poser, one who publicly affirmed his policies were those of Christ, but who obviously was pursuing his own agenda, merely mouthing the claim to assuage the concerns of the 1930’s German equivalent of bitter clingers?”
How about the US presidents that conducted genocide against the native Americans, were they posers too? What about Lincoln and Jefferson Davis, they combined for almost a million deaths, posers too?
Do what??????
February 28th, 2012
4:44 pm
“What about Lincoln and Jefferson Davis, they combined for almost a million deaths, posers too?”
Stalin killed millions of people through communism.
Mao killed 20 million people through communism.
Arafat killed millions of Jews through Islam.
Want me to keep going, troll?
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
4:46 pm
By the way, it strikes me strange how Obama is apologetic to the Muslims abroad over an what they see as an insult, while he is persecuting and insulting the believers of Christianity and their religiousness freedoms here at home.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
4:52 pm
“I know a few things about Jesus Christ and I can tell you Hitler was no Jesus Christ.”
Really? What did Jesus have to say about the rich?
“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Sounds like class war to me.
Inside Out
February 28th, 2012
4:52 pm
“while he is persecuting and insulting the believers of Christianity and their religiousness freedoms here at home. ”
This is the very reason that this conversation should never be had…The Bible thumpers are so off base. I guess it is another case of not being able to ses the forrest for the trees…..
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
5:07 pm
Really? What did Jesus have to say about the rich?
“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Sounds like class war to me.
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Sounds like you might want to study the bible some more in order to know what you are talking about, like beginning with the word Christian, now that you have misused and misappiled it so many times.
For what its worth the passage of scripture you referred to has nothing to do with class warfare. Now try to figure out what was meant by the term “eye of the needle”.
Maybe then you will actually know what the message Jesus was illustrating means.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
February 28th, 2012
5:12 pm
Inside Out: Now you can try to say [Hitler] was not a man of religion, but in his own words…
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What religion was Stalin or Mao and how many of their own citizens did they murder? Communists do their best to eliminate religion. See how two can play your stupid little game?
It is not the beliefs or actions of the adherents that define a religion, much as religiophobic libtards would like to pretend.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
5:13 pm
Dear DannyX @ 4:41, think you err in your analysis – Native Americans were not killed in the name of religion – it was more of a racial extermination, more akin to the Hitler extermination of Jews.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
5:14 pm
DannyX = Rain-man on a blog.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
February 28th, 2012
5:15 pm
2 Thessalonians 3:10
“For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.”
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While you religiophobic libtards are quoting scripture, you might remember that one!
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
5:18 pm
Dear Michael @ 4:40, well written, I agree. Think the origin of “Christian” is a bit odd, originally used as an epithet by non-believers, applied “against” those who followed Christ. Ultimately embraced, as a badge of honor. Almost the reverse of “liberal” and “socialist” and “progressive,” terms originally embraced by their followers then abandoned when the public became aware of the true meaning of that ideology, whose names are “legion.”
Linda
February 28th, 2012
5:18 pm
Tiberius@4:30, Comical? LOL.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
5:21 pm
For you nonbelievers, my 5:18 post ends with a joke, Mark 5:9. You’ll have to read a few preceding verses to get the joke.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
5:24 pm
Where’s Kyle? I hope he had a good political afternoon full of stirring news!!.
Anyway, I would disagree with anyone saying that our president is persecuting Christians. Don’t follow that idea at all. The president is not my political pick as I believe his inexperience in government has made his term most unhealthy for the country. I hope we will have someone else in the White House for the next four years who is more competent. But I try not to judge his faith, only his governance.
In the meatime, let us remember some of the outstanding Christians of history. Pastor Bonhofer, German Lutheran minister who led resistance against Hitler and was hung by the Nazis.
Mother Teresa never saw a person so sick, poor, ugly, or homeless that she would not help. Her efforts in India that helped thousands are well known throughout the world.
Nelson Mandela endured over twenty years of imprisonment and still stood strong in his efforts to give people freedom. He, too, is known worldwide.
There are many others, some famous, some only giving what meager service and goods they can offer. They are the Christians you hear so little about. That is because they do it to help others, not to get publicity.
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
5:27 pm
Ever notice how when someone figures out they’ve stepped in it the silence becomes deafening?
“eye of the needle”… go do a google search notice the images… yeah the one on the far right…
Do you see the gate? Yep, that’s right it is an actual gate called the needle gate. Notice how narrow is that gate?
Why was it so hard for the rich man to pass through the gate DannyX?
The rich man want to keep his many riches. All he had to do was unload his wealth and he could have passed through the eye of the needle gate which was an illustration of go to heaven.
Sorry DannyX there was no rich against the poor, no redistribution of wealth, just a need of humbling ones self to God to enter his kingdom
Linda
February 28th, 2012
5:29 pm
Liberals/heathens trying to define Christianity is like pedophiles trying to define sex.
The Ten Commandments condemns murder. Anyone who commits murder is NOT a Christian. Period. Anyone who commits murder with the pretense of Christianity is worse than liberalism.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
5:29 pm
“Dear DannyX @ 4:41, think you err in your analysis – Native Americans were not killed in the name of religion – it was more of a racial extermination”
Is that what they taught in Sunday School? Is that what Christians and Hitler do? We as Americans can ban gay marriage, because “it’s in the Bible,” next we can exterminate all the Mexicans in the country? That’s exactly what Hitler did, tried to exterminate the Jewish race. You said earlier “at least the former have beliefs informed by a relationship with the Eternal Deity,” what good are those beliefs if you can exterminate a whole race of people?
Michael H Smith, I know very well what the Biblical reference to the eye of the needle is. It still applies, could a rich person with all of his belongings go through it?
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
5:36 pm
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
5:18 pm
The term Christian was first used at the Church of Antioch(found in the Book of Acts) those around the area seeing the disciples called them Christian, some say to mock other say because they appeared to be just like Jesus Christ. In any event we know they were Christ-like because of the attributing in this line, “They were full of the Holy Ghost and faith”. To be full of the Holy Spirit means there isn’t any room for fleshly or earthly things to clutter ones’ life, so all that remains is the likeness of Jesus.
Not many of us walk that kind of walk as born again believers but I have met a few and it is a very few who do. They don’t have to tell anyone they are Christians for others, as was the case at Antioch, call them Christian because of their Christ like life.
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
5:43 pm
Michael H Smith, I know very well what the Biblical reference to the eye of the needle is. It still applies, could a rich person with all of his belongings go through it?
No you don’t know and I told you what you could not tell me but still you think it is dealing with class warfare? Totally untrue.
Furthermore, DannyX, Christian Charity and Stewardship is not the same as Government confiscation and redistribution.
For God giveth and taketh but Govrenment only taketh.
md
February 28th, 2012
5:44 pm
“next we can exterminate all the Mexicans in the country?”
That one gets the “Plastic Man” award………….
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
February 28th, 2012
5:45 pm
Olympia Snowe (R-ME) to Retire
Haha, the dummycrats lost another one of their libs.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
5:46 pm
DannyX
You are losing your argument because you are posting half truths, propaganda edicts and headline “shock” news. .
Christian beliefs are usually taught in Sunday School not racial hatreds. As to reservations, I have worked on many of them and visited churches there. American Indians are NOT teaching racial hatred in their churches either. They promote love for one another just like all Christian churches.
You can go back in history and find terrible things. Try not to overlook the good of our times when we have the opportunity to do what is even better now…
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
5:53 pm
“Furthermore, DannyX, Christian Charity and Stewardship is not the same as Government confiscation and redistribution.”
Which has nothing to do with a rich man going through the gates with all of his/her possessions. I don’t know of one rich man that could fit through those gates. It is very easy to understand. If you think it no longer is valid why is it in the Bible if there is no lesson to learn. Who gave the modern rich man such a waiver?
Before you go bragging about charity maybe should should read Matthew 6:1.
saywhat?
February 28th, 2012
6:08 pm
It really doesn’t matter who wins the Republican primary. Whoever eventually wins will inevitably lose to President Obama. Its just a matter of by how much and over what particular issues.
Sarah Coulter
February 28th, 2012
6:14 pm
And I love how the millions keep getting thrown out of the secularists’ killings when they are estimates. I can estimate that I have 5 million dollars in my checking account or that I am going to get a huge tax return, but it doesn’t make it the true.
Ragnar, I still take the secularist. Most religious people are completely void of critical thinking, and will take whatever his or her pastor/preacher/minister says no matter how irrational it may be.
First, to Linda. “Liberals/heathens”? I raise you conservatives/bible thumpers/fearmongers.
Dusty, so they are taught at church? Hmm…very interesting considering that Sunday mornings are the most segregated times in the U.S.
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
6:18 pm
“Furthermore, DannyX, Christian Charity and Stewardship is not the same as Government confiscation and redistribution.”
Which has nothing to do with a rich man going through the gates with all of his/her possessions. I don’t know of one rich man that could fit through those gates. It is very easy to understand. If you think it no longer is valid why is it in the Bible if there is no lesson to learn. Who gave the modern rich man such a waiver?
Before you go bragging about charity maybe should should read Matthew 6:1.
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First part was to inform you about Obama misuse of bible not just yours alone.
As for God giving and taking, yes that too, has everything to do with the rich man entering the kingdom of God.
The bible is very valid and rich men can fit through that narrow gate so long as they don’t try to take their wealth along with them. the needle gate was used to illustrate a lesson one you still seem unwilling to learn, rich men are saved the same way as the poor man. There are no waivers to get into heaven, all must confess their sin and trust in Christ for salvation.
There is no bragging about Charity, no need to. God knows what each of us does.
You can use more time reading the bible before giving advice to anyone about scriptures: I’m being kind by not bragging or really taking an unfair advantage of you. Your lack of Bible knowledge really shows.
tiberius your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
6:20 pm
Sarah, they don’t do a head count when filling mass graves.
Just saying.
Sheesh!
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
6:28 pm
Dear Sarah @ 6:14, I respectfully disagree. I find a larger number of believers are kind souls, people who think before acting with an evil impulse. I concede knowing many good and thoughtful “secular humanists,” just think their numbers are relatively fewer than among the believers I have known.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
6:30 pm
“You can use more time reading the bible before giving advice to anyone about scriptures”
You should capitalize “Bible.” You did not answer my question, “I don’t know of one rich man that could fit through those gates. It is very easy to understand. If you think it no longer is valid why is it in the Bible if there is no lesson to learn. Who gave the modern rich man such a waiver?”
How many native American graves from the Christian-American racial extermination are there Tiberius? Whoops, they don’t do head counts.
Btw all you Christians, who won the American civil war in God’s eyes. Was that a Holy war?
saywhat?
February 28th, 2012
6:37 pm
Apropos to the way this thread has gone off topic, I give you the often cited quote from Ghandi- “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”
Amen to that, brother.
Linda
February 28th, 2012
6:44 pm
Sarah@6:14, Liberals/heathens? Do you even know who you are?
It’s one thing to be a heathen. It’s another thing to mock Christians, as Obama has.
Liberals are scared to death of even singling out the Muslims, who have been attacking the US since the ’70s, but they never hesitate to attack Christians. So much for their political correctness & the security of the US.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
6:46 pm
“The immaculate conception of Jesus, his deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous powers, his resurrection and visible ascension, his corporeal presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity; original sin, atonement, regeneration, election, orders of the Hierarchy, etc.”
Thomas Jefferson didn’t believe in any of that. He did admire Jesus the man. I read my Jefferson Bible all the time, great book.
Thomas Jefferson- Human secularist and great American.
zeke
February 28th, 2012
6:52 pm
guess sanctorum thinks gov deal a snob for wanting more college grads
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
6:54 pm
I am sure I will be attacked from all sides in this religion vs. non-religion debate, but I suggest that as usual both sides are guilty of trivialization of very complex matters. When people were killed in the name of God, they were not necessarily killed for religious reasons. When Spaniards were killing people in what is now Mexico and in present Latin America, they may have been doing it “in the name of God,” but failed to mention their hunger for gold, just as one example. Hitler may have talked about divine purpose, but that was not why he did what he did. On the other hand, it is ridiculous to attribute the murders done in the name of Stalin and Mao to “secular humanism.” Again, the main reason was not an attack on religion, and further, who wants to call Stalin and Mao “humanists?”
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
7:03 pm
Dear MarkV @ 6:54, some of us believe Karl Marx was the ultimate “secular humanist,” one who believed in the supremacy of human thought. We are also inclined to attribute the acts of Marxists acting in furtherance of Marxism to the same “secular humanism” that motivated Marx. We see the same traits in the Eugenicists who sprang from Darwin, and in the National Socialists who refined the ideas of the Eugenicists. None of those ideas would be compatible with those of any religion within my acquaintance.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
7:04 pm
Dear DannyX @ 6:35, Jefferson was a deist – not a secular humanist.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
February 28th, 2012
7:06 pm
First of all, Hitler had a progrom against the priesthood and as usual, MarkV has no idea what he’s talking about.
tiberius your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
7:07 pm
Watch out, ragnar. MarkV requires that every instance of every person have the definition perfect, or it doesn’t count with him.
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
7:11 pm
Dear Tiberius @ 7:07, ha! Thanks.
carlosgvv
February 28th, 2012
7:21 pm
Danny X
There is not a shred of evidence that God exists. So, if I ask you why you believe in God, you’ll probalbly say “my faith tells me God is real”. If I ask you where your faith comes from, you will say “it’s a gift from God”. Unfortunately, trying to explain the total absurdity of this kind of thinking would be completely lost on you.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
February 28th, 2012
7:23 pm
carlosgvv- If you don’t mind, tell us how you came into existence.
Linda
February 28th, 2012
7:25 pm
carlosgvv@7:21, Where does your faith come from that you will be able to get into your car or on a bus tomorrow & get to work without being killed? Do you understand what faith actually is?
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
7:31 pm
ragnar danneskjold @7:03 pm: “Dear MarkV @ 6:54, some of us believe Karl Marx was the ultimate “secular humanist, …”
You are right, ragnar, some of you do, just like some of you believe a lot of other nonsense.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
7:33 pm
“There is not a shred of evidence that God exists. So, if I ask you why you believe in God, you’ll probalbly say “my faith tells me God is real”. If I ask you where your faith comes from, you will say “it’s a gift from God”. Unfortunately, trying to explain the total absurdity of this kind of thinking would be completely lost on you.”
How would your statement be lost on me carlosgvv? I agree, except the last part.
ragnar, a deist can also be a human secularist.
How so carlsgvv? I
MarkV
February 28th, 2012
7:34 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin… @7:06 pm: “First of all, Hitler had a progrom against the priesthood and as usual, MarkV has no idea what he’s talking about.”
And as usual, I Report tries to make a point and does not know how.
carlosgvv
February 28th, 2012
7:50 pm
\Danny X – 7:33 “I agree, except the last part”
You have answered your own question.
carlosgvv
February 28th, 2012
7:51 pm
Linda
Faith is strongly believing in something that has no supporting evidence whatsoever. Like religion, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
carlosgvv
February 28th, 2012
7:53 pm
I report – 7:23
I don’t have enough space here to explain the Big Ban Theory and all the things that happened later because of natural laws and randon chance.
tiberius your lightning rod of hate!
February 28th, 2012
7:59 pm
Space isn’t the only thing Carlos doesn’t have enough of to explain his existence. There are lots of things I know, but how I came about isn’t one of them. Not nearly arrogant to know that mystery.
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
8:00 pm
“You have answered your own question.”
How so?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
February 28th, 2012
8:01 pm
carlosgvv- I am well aware of the “Big Bang Theory” and how it supposedly began with matter expanding.
So what created that matter?
Linda
February 28th, 2012
8:17 pm
carlosgvv@7:51, So, when you get in your car or on the bus to get somewhere, your faith that you will arrive is “something that has no supporting evidence whatsoever.” If you have NO faith, why do you rely on faith?
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
8:19 pm
Dear Carlos @ 7:51, Like the “Stimulus.”
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
8:21 pm
Dear Danny @ 7:33, “ragnar, a deist can also be a human secularist.” Just as a capitalist can believe in communism.
Linda
February 28th, 2012
8:24 pm
carlosgvv@7:53, Was the Big Ban (your words) theory an attempt to ban liberals from existing? Was the Big Bang Theory an attempt to confuse liberals about the words in the Declaration of Independence & the purpose of the Constitution?
Rafe Hollister
February 28th, 2012
8:40 pm
Linda
I think that he meant the Big Bunk Theory, spread enough Bunk and try to convince people you have an intelligent opinion.
Linda
February 28th, 2012
9:23 pm
Rafe@8:40, Bingo!
Have you ever noticed that carlosgvv makes statements & then disappears? Coward? Big Ban Bang Bunk Coward Theory? Turnips fallen off the truck, rejoice!
Hillbilly D
February 28th, 2012
9:28 pm
Whenever you get right down to it, we can’t prove the sky is blue. We just know that everybody says it’s blue, if blue is really blue and not some other color.
Whatever you believe, you believe it on faith.
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
9:47 pm
“You can use more time reading the bible before giving advice to anyone about scriptures”
You should capitalize “Bible.” You did not answer my question, “I don’t know of one rich man that could fit through those gates. It is very easy to understand. If you think it no longer is valid why is it in the Bible if there is no lesson to learn. Who gave the modern rich man such a waiver?
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You really are desperately reaching for straws to make an issue of capitalizing.
Oh I answered your question but you couldn’t answer mine and you obviously still can’t see what Jesus was teaching by using the camel and the eye of the needle (gate) as an example of why it is hard (not impossible) for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. The camel was too loaded with goods to pass through the eye of the needle(gate). In like manner the rich man is too loaded with his riches to ever set them aside and humble himself to God for salvation to enter the heavenly kingdom. The meaning of this lesson remains very valid. As does the remedy or “waiver” for all rich, poor and whosoever will… John 3:16. The reason you don’t understand the Bible, is what is very easy for any spiritual person to see : 1)you are spiritually blind(actually dead) 2) so you really can’t study the Bible and understand mush of its’ meaning 3) Therefore, you are relying mostly on heresy that is why you question the validity.
Just face it you are as lost as you can be spiritually and scripturally.
“Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
9:51 pm
correction :”much” – before you make a bigger issue of a misspell than your own disgraceful lack of Bible knowledge DannyX
Michael H. Smith
February 28th, 2012
9:57 pm
Whatever you believe, you believe it on faith.
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Exactly Hillbilly D. Something carlosgv couldn’t contradict me on because he ran out of answers to what was in existence before the big bang… duh, I don’t know. Either you believe in supreme matter or a supreme being creating the universe as we know it and like we’ve said, you have to rely on faith ultimately.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
10:00 pm
Hillbilly D
Glad to see you here. Hope you got to see Gingrich today.
The blog turned into a bog. I don’t want to see the words “secular humanist” again. If I ever see such a critter I shall certainly call animal control. It is bad enough to have wandering coyotes. Now comes a pack of “sec hums”.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2012
10:01 pm
That Big Bang is what you’re gonna hear when Pope santorum’s big empty head implodes…
jconservative
February 28th, 2012
10:03 pm
Re the Bible, a definition:
“The Bible is the story of God’s relationship with the people he has called to himself. It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation.”
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2012
10:07 pm
The Bible – historical fiction glorifying the primitive superstitions of an ancient tribe of goatherders.
Hillbilly D
February 28th, 2012
10:07 pm
Hope you got to see Gingrich today
Goodness, no. If I see a politician, I try to go the other way as quick as I can.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
10:13 pm
Hillbilly D
You make me laugh. Did you pass Kyle running the other way? We haven’t heard from him…
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
10:18 pm
“Just face it you are as lost as you can be spiritually and scripturally.”
Michael H Smith, did Jesus ever say “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a “poor” man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
10:22 pm
GodHates Trash,Superstar
Well, you almost got it right. It wasn’t a goat herder but a shepherd who gave his life to save his sheep.
Keep trying. You are getting close to the truth.
I'd Vote for a Republican But I Am Allergic to Nuts
February 28th, 2012
10:27 pm
SANTORUM LOST MICHIGAN AND ARIZONA.
SANTORUM IS A LOSER.
Dusty
February 28th, 2012
10:34 pm
Nutcase & allergic,
Sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. The end is not even in sight.
Now relax. You’ll feel better in the morning.
G’nite…
Don't Tread
February 28th, 2012
11:45 pm
Looks like Romney won his home state by….3 points.
On a related note, never buy a used car from an Obama supporter. “Wealth redistribution”, indeed.
LynnOtting
February 29th, 2012
1:38 am
The Republican Party seems to vote based on meaningless poll results and ridiculous media analysis. If the goal is to beat President O’bama, then Republicans need to rethink their basis for choosing Santorum or Romney. Santorum will not beat President O’bama in the general election. Independents will not vote for him. Regardless of how hard he tries, he cannot separate government and religion from his speeches. His ideas are not that bold and his record proves he cannot fight the Washington establishment to get a job done. Santorum’s faith and politics beliefs, regardless of how sincere they may be, will not be enough to beat President O’bama. Romney communicates conservative values by memorization. If they aren’t memorized, he doesn’t know them. Romney has no ideas that he truly believes, so he can’t argue a position. He is the perfect candidate for President O’bama’s tax the elite one percent campaign. Even though, Republicans want to view the Bain Company as capitalism at its best; I seriously doubt most average voters will think making billions of dollars in profit at the expense of closing small town manufacturing companies is anything but capitalism at its worst. Newt has done more to advance the cause of conservatism than anyone of the candidates in this presidential race. He not only ended 40 years of Democratic control in the House, he ended Democratic control of southern states like Georgia too. More importantly, his record proves he achieves the goals he sets. If Newt Gingrich wins the Republican nomination, he will beat President O’bama. His ideas are about more than conservative values, they are about American principles. Georgia should not give this nomination away by voting for anyone other than Newt. It is too important, not to him, but to all Americans.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 29th, 2012
5:02 am
“Most religious people are completely void of critical thinking, and will take whatever his or her pastor/preacher/minister says no matter how irrational it may be.”
——–
Three words: Reverend Jeremiah Wright
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
8:16 am
LynnOtting has been drinking a bit too much Koolaid from the media and from the Gingrich vampaign these days.
“Even though, Republicans want to view the Bain Company as capitalism at its best; I seriously doubt most average voters will think making billions of dollars in profit at the expense of closing small town manufacturing companies is anything but capitalism at its worst.”
You obviously haven’t been paying attention to Romney’s record at Bain Capital, have you Lynn? Try researching on your own, rather than watching a Gingrich-supplied video, OK?
And for the record, LynnOtting?
The current Disaster-in-Chief isn’t Irish. (O’Bama, indeed!)
md
February 29th, 2012
9:41 am
From that 11:45 link:
“Atlanta police have arrested a man believed to be responsible for selling more than 100 stolen cars on Craigslist and are seeking information from his customers. .”
I mean seriously, are folks really that stupid to buy a car without a title? Evidently at least 100 are……….that speaks volumes for our populace at large.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
9:55 am
“The Bible – historical fiction glorifying the primitive superstitions of an ancient tribe of goatherders.”
It that’s true then why do you bring it up on just about every blog?
If something isn’t true, people tend not to talk about it over and over and over and over again.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
10:02 am
“If something isn’t true, people tend not to talk about it over and over and over and over again.”
Except when it is a belief we cannot prove either way.
Jefferson
February 29th, 2012
10:15 am
Mitt will turn left shortly.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
10:19 am
Mitt doesn’t need to Jefferson.
He’s moderate enough already.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
10:46 am
“Except when it is a belief we cannot prove either way.”
That’s why it’s called faith.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
10:47 am
“He’s moderate enough already.”
And GOP moderate presidential candidates always lose.
See: Dole, Mccain
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
10:47 am
“Mitt will turn left shortly.”
Yep, and he will lose in November.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
10:54 am
If everything was the same, Do What??, and if each candidate were the same, you might be correct about GOP moderates always losing.
But everything isn’t the same, and electoral politics are different this year, just as they are every year.
As are the candidates.
You fail to take into consideration that both Dole and McCain were not likeable candidates. Both were, and remain, grumpy old men who come across in the media exactly like that. You fail to take into consideration the current political climate, the economic climate, , the debt and deficit climate and the inherent weaknesses of the current incumbent.
In short, your “GOP moderates always lose” comment is short on analysis, and long on, well – nothing.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:00 am
“You fail to take into consideration that both Dole and McCain were not likeable candidates.”
Mitt is not likable and the polls show it.
“Both were, and remain, grumpy old men who come across in the media exactly like that. ”
Not arguing that one. Pointless.
“You fail to take into consideration the current political climate, the economic climate, , the debt and deficit climate and the inherent weaknesses of the current incumbent.”
True, but Mitt has already stated that he isn’t going to go after Obama on those issues.
“In short, your “GOP moderates always lose” comment is short on analysis, and long on, well – nothing.”
Like I stated, Mccain and Dole both lost. Your boys/girls like Specter, Snowe etc are all on their way out.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:01 am
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
When’s the last time a moderate GOP candidate won the White House?
The last won I can think of inherited it from Nixon.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:03 am
“When’s the last time a moderate GOP candidate won the White House?”
2000 and 2004.
George W. Bush was no conservative, compassionate or otherwise.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:07 am
“George W. Bush was no conservative, compassionate or otherwise.”
Weird, I don’t remember Bush siding with the Dems on anything. I also don’t remember Bush co-authoring Obozocare, raising taxes, putting lib judges on the bench etc…
You can talk all you want about moderates but Bush wasn’t a moderate in the mold of Mccain/Romney.
Try again.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:08 am
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
How do you defend Romney when Romney is basically Obama minus the mom jeans? I mean, his record on running for any office is 9-16. That’s horrible.
Also, the guy is the author of Obamacare which you don’t like so it really makes you look confused and hypocritical.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:10 am
“True, but Mitt has already stated that he isn’t going to go after Obama on those issues.”
Really? Like he hasn’t been talking about those issues and Obama during the whole campaign (when he’s not fending off stupid attacks from his GOP rivals)? Obviously, you haven’t been paying even the SLIGHTEST attention to Romney or his campaign.
“Your boys/girls like Specter, Snowe etc are all on their way out.”
There you go, ASSuming again, Do What???. But then, that’s all you’ve got, as the facts don’t support your simpleminded “conservative, conservative, conservative” mantra.
“Mitt is not likable and the polls show it. ”
You mean the polls showing him beating Obama head-to-head? You mean the polls showing him beating Obama in swing states? Those polls, Do What???
Reality. Try some sometime.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
11:13 am
I wonder if Romney is considering Ron Paul as his running mate.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:14 am
“Weird, I don’t remember Bush siding with the Dems on anything.”
How quickly we forget, Do What???
NCLB was a pet project of TEDDY KENNEDY. Maybe you should look back at some of the glowing quotes ol’ Tidal Basin Teddy had for Bush when this was signed into law.
Medicare prescription drug coverage – the ultimate in budget-busting programs that would never, in a million years, pay for itself.
History isn’t your strong suit, is it, Do What???
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:14 am
“Obviously, you haven’t been paying even the SLIGHTEST attention to Romney or his campaign.”
Then again, you don’t know what I do and don’t do.
” But then, that’s all you’ve got, as the facts don’t support your simpleminded “conservative, conservative, conservative” mantra.”
I see why you were banned from Bookman’s blog. You’re irrational and you have a bad temper.
“You mean the polls showing him beating Obama head-to-head? You mean the polls showing him beating Obama in swing states? Those polls, Do What???
Polls are meaningless until the election.
Mccain led Obama in 2008 up until Mccain uttered those famous words “I don’t know anything about the economy.”
Moderates tend to shoot themselves in the foot.
“Reality. Try some sometime.”
My a$$, kiss it.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:15 am
Oh, and did I mention that Bush never vetoed a single spending bill or budget in his entire term of office?
As the deficit and debt grew, and grew, and grew.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:15 am
“I wonder if Romney is considering Ron Paul as his running mate.”
He’ll end up picking some lame guy like Pawlenty or perhaps Olympia Snowe.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:16 am
“Oh, and did I mention that Bush never vetoed a single spending bill or budget in his entire term of office?”
And none of it was anywhere close to what Obama has spent.
“As the deficit and debt grew, and grew, and grew.”
Which was 15 trillion less than Obama.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:18 am
“simpleminded “conservative, conservative, conservative” mantra.”
This is the problem with people like you. You get angry when conservatives don’t vote for moderates yet at the same time, you need them to vote.
Sounds like you’re fading faster than John Huntsman. I bet you also thought he’d be a great candidate.
Face it, Dave R, you’re a dying breed.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
11:21 am
Do What….I actually think he will pick Rubio, Christie or Paul.
Jefferson
February 29th, 2012
11:21 am
Pres Bush (W) — to call him a neocon would be generous. Pres Reagan was a neocon, the 1st of the big spenders. This is the rub — if the GOP is conservative explain 2000-2006, and for extra credit — why do you belive them now when after what they did before. You can’t do it without mentioning a D.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:22 am
Do What?? you’re delusional.
First you say that Romney isn’t likeable by citing polls.
Then, when I bring up polls which dispute your claim, you then state that polls don’t matter until the election.
So which is it, Do What??? You are a mass of inconsistencies, son. Which defines many conservatives, btw.
Then you bring up a McCain quote that has NOTHING to do with the current election, and is so absurd (as if Romney, a businessman who has forgotten more than you’d ever know about the economy would ever utter it) as to be laughable.
And despite your continuing to repeat the lie regarding Romneycare vs. Obamacare, they are not even remotely the same, as any analysis worthy of the name has concluded. The mere fact that Romneycare is 70 pages long, vs. Obamacare’s 2,300 pages should tell you that.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:30 am
“First you say that Romney isn’t likeable by citing polls.”
Yep, it’s a simple question: Do you like Romney? Yes/No
The no’s are overwhelmingly high.
“Then, when I bring up polls which dispute your claim, you then state that polls don’t matter until the election.”
Yep, head to head polls don’t mean a thing until the day of the election.
“You are a mass of inconsistencies, son. Which defines many conservatives, btw.”
You must have missed 2010, simpleton.
“Then you bring up a McCain quote that has NOTHING to do with the current election”
You totally missed my point. Not surprised.
“And despite your continuing to repeat the lie regarding Romneycare vs. Obamacare”
Um, Obama stated that he got it from him. His words.
” they are not even remotely the same, as any analysis worthy of the name has concluded.”
Yeah, what was I thinking? Government mandated healthcare. Huh, who’d have made that connection?
“The mere fact that Romneycare is 70 pages long, vs. Obamacare’s 2,300 pages should tell you that.”
And if you’d actually read Obozocare, you’d know that the Dems put a lot of extra things that had nothing to do with health care.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:31 am
“Do What?? you’re delusional.”
No, I’m just well aware that moderates lose elections.
When Mitt loses in November, I can’t wait to mock you.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:32 am
“Sounds like you’re fading faster than John Huntsman. I bet you also thought he’d be a great candidate.”
Actually, I called out the phony nature of Jon Huntsman from the very beginning his name was mentioned, so you are wrong again, Do What??? (a consistent trend with you, btw)
“You get angry when conservatives don’t vote for moderates yet at the same time, you need them to vote.”
I get angry when stupid people don’t look at the big picture (as in, uber-conservative candidates will not win a general election in this environment) and don’t for the guy who has a chance, thereby insuring another 4 years of the worst President since Jimmy Carter. I get angry when people pine for the days of GWB, when he was just a warmongering, deficit spending, social engineering lightweight.
I get angry when stupid people type “Which was 15 trillion less than Obama.” Why do I get angry about that? Because the current Disaster-in-Chief is only responsible for about $6 trillion of our debt thus far. You don’t even know who is responsible for our total debt, Do What??. Why should anybody take you seriously if you can’t even get that right?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:35 am
“Actually, I called out the phony nature of Jon Huntsman from the very beginning his name was mentioned, so you are wrong again, Do What??? ”
yeah, sure you did.
“I get angry when stupid people don’t look at the big picture”
Um, simpleton, moderates are the ones who spend big money. Moderates are the reason we have a large deficit. You said so yourself when you cited Bush/GOP spending.
” I get angry when people pine for the days of GWB, when he was just a warmongering, deficit spending, social engineering lightweight.”
Then your candidate should be Ron Paul, not Mitt Romney.
“I get angry when stupid people type “Which was 15 trillion less than Obama.” Why do I get angry about that? Because the current Disaster-in-Chief is only responsible for about $6 trillion of our debt thus far. ”
I can see why you get banned a lot. You’re an angry person.
“Why should anybody take you seriously if you can’t even get that right?”
You obviously do or else you wouldn’t be spending so much time arguing with me.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:36 am
“And despite your continuing to repeat the lie regarding Romneycare vs. Obamacare”
Um, Obama stated that he got it from him. His words.”
Oh, so NOW you believe what Obama says about his chief rival?
Do you remember this thread yesterday when people were claiming that Hitler was a Christian because he said so? Guess he was, then wasn’t he, Do What??? According to your litmus test of “He said so”, that is.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:36 am
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate! aka Dave R,
You often make claims about how conservatives are “fringe” etc yet you’re the one going around calling people stupid etc..
The only fringe person I see on this blog is you.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:38 am
“Oh, so NOW you believe what Obama says about his chief rival?”
It’s not just him. Writers from the WSJ have said the same thing.
“Do you remember this thread yesterday when people were claiming that Hitler was a Christian because he said so? ”
Hitler never made that claim. Libs like to say he did but there is nothing in any history book that says that.
Jefferson
February 29th, 2012
11:39 am
Dang T – eyes wide open.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:40 am
“Then your candidate should be Ron Paul, not Mitt Romney.”
Ron Paul would be, if he had a prayer of winning a general election (and I’ve voted for him twice anyway).
But he doesn’t.
And I don’t take you seriously, except that you and your kind could screw up this election come November.
That, and I enjoy exposing your lack of knowledge for all to see.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:41 am
“Hitler never made that claim.’
Yeah, he was just doing it for the Lord.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:43 am
“ou often make claims about how conservatives are “fringe” etc yet you’re the one going around calling people stupid etc..”
And surprisingly, one doesn’t have a thing to do with the other . . .
At least, according to the English language.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
11:43 am
You guys are funny! Thanks for the laughs.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
11:44 am
“It’s not just him. Writers from the WSJ have said the same thing.”
Cite?
Jefferson
February 29th, 2012
11:51 am
Great example folks, just think of the 2 other shades of gray to the left of center. More the same, than different, just 180 out.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:52 am
“And I don’t take you seriously, except that you and your kind could screw up this election come November.”
Awwww, poor baby.
“Yeah, he was just doing it for the Lord.”
What Lord?
“And surprisingly, one doesn’t have a thing to do with the other ”
So calling people names like stupid, idiot etc isn’t fringe? Geez dude, you are crazier than I first imagined.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:55 am
Romney Healthcare Adviser: ObamaCare Based On RomneyCare
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/12/romney_healthcare_adviser_obamacare_based_off_romneycare.html
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
11:55 am
Jonathan Gruber, MIT professor: “The truth is that the Affordable Care Act is essentially based on what we accomplished in Massachusetts. It’s the same basic structure applied nationally. John McDonough, one of the other advisers,who work in both Massachusetts and advised the White House said ‘it’s the Massachusetts with three more zeros.’ And that’s basically a good description of what the federal bill did.”
Gruber says Massachusetts received some federal funding for Romney’s healthcare reform, meaning all U.S. taxpayers chipped in to fund RomneyCare.
Check. Mate.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:00 pm
Where are you, Dave R? Crying? Pouting? Beating your dog?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:07 pm
Facts really aren’t your strong suit, are they Do What???
You DO realize that Johnathan Gruber is an economist, right?
And that his “advising” during the Romney administration was minimal and solely on the financial aspects of implementing it at the state level, don’t you?
See, Do What?? this is the difference between reading something in the media and believing that it’s true because it fits into your neat little simple worldview, and doing actual RESEARCH once you read it.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
“So calling people names like stupid, idiot etc isn’t fringe?”
No, just describing people accurately.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:10 pm
Hey, Do What???
Let’s come to an agreement on here, shall we?
I’ll call you by your blog name, and you call me by mine, OK?
Or, you can continue to be the 4 year-old I have always suspected you to be.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:11 pm
“You DO realize that Johnathan Gruber is an economist, right?”
He also worked with Romney on the bill. Reading isn’t your strong suit is it?
“And that his “advising” during the Romney administration was minimal and solely on the financial aspects of implementing it at the state level, don’t you?”
I love how you’re grasping at straws.
“See, Do What?? this is the difference between reading something in the media and believing that it’s true because it fits into your neat little simple worldview, and doing actual RESEARCH once you read it.”
What I see is you desperately trying to sell people on Romney and getting angry when I, or others, throw out little “inconveniences” at you.
Try again.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:15 pm
Tell you what, son.
You tell me how long you lived in Massachusetts and followed Massachusetts politics closely, and we’ll decide which of us really has the knowledge to debate the true level of participation Mr. Gruber had in the actual writing of Romneycare, OK?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:17 pm
“You tell me how long you lived in Massachusetts”
Says the guy who never lived in Mass.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
12:18 pm
February 26, 1993, attack on the World Trade Center: 6 deaths and 1,042 injured,
* April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing: 168 deaths and over 800 injured,
* June 25, 1996, Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia: 20 deaths and 372 injured,
* August 7, 1998, attacks on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania: 12 U.S. deaths out of a total of 223 deaths; 12 U.S. injured out of a total of over 4,000 injured,
* October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole in Yemen: 17 deaths; 39 injured.
ALL UNDER DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP!
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:18 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate! aka Dave R aka whiney little baby,
I’m having so much fun watching you defend Mitt. It’s awesome to see your anger come out for the whole blog to see.
You’re having about as much success defending Mitt as Dems are having with defending Obama.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:19 pm
And I’m not trying to “sell people on Romney” at all, Do What???
I’m simply trying to debunk the lies, distortions and misconceptions that the uninformed have about him and ALL other candidates, because I feel that an informed electorate ultimately makes the right choice. And if you didn’t have your blinders on, you’d remember that I have defended ALL candidates, including Obama, from the idiotic comments of people on this blog.
It’s tough being the voice of reason in a world gone mad.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:20 pm
“Says the guy who never lived in Mass.”
My birth certificate and my voting record of 16 years says otherwise, son.
But then again, facts are such a tenuous thing with you.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:21 pm
“I’m simply trying to debunk the lies, distortions and misconceptions that the uninformed have about him and ALL other candidates”
No, you’re trying desperately to sell everyone on Mitt. You mock conservatives yet you tell us to vote for him.
“from the idiotic comments of people on this blog.”
And more name calling.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:22 pm
“My birth certificate and my voting record of 16 years says otherwise, son.”
Cool, post your birth certificate so we all know you aren’t lying.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:28 pm
“You mock conservatives yet you tell us to vote for him.”
I mock SOME conservatives (like you) because they are no more consistent than liberals, even though they claim to be.
It’s just that you take things more personally because you’re the more direct target (being one the the worst of the worst as far as facts are concerned).
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:30 pm
“Cool, post your birth certificate so we all know you aren’t lying.”
Ah, a stalker in the making.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:42 pm
“I mock SOME conservatives (like you) because they are no more consistent than liberals, even though they claim to be.”
You’re really struggling.
“Ah, a stalker in the making.”
Divert!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, you’re a liar.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
Obama’s approval rating at 43% and dropping fast. Uh oh, you guys better come up with some more lies.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:50 pm
Do What?? you have 5 minutes to supply these answers, to see if you really have a handle on Massachusetts politics.
How many Mass. House Speakers have been indicted for felonies in the past 20 years?
What are their names?
How many were convicted and sentenced?
Who is Howie Carr?
Who is Barbara Anderson?
Who was the first black official elected statewide in Massachusetts?
Is Massachusetts a state?
Who did Scott Brown defeat to win the U.S. Senate seat?
Who is Coupe Deval?
Why is he called that?
The clock is ticking, Do What???
Linda
February 29th, 2012
12:51 pm
Tiberius: 43 points
Do what: 96 points
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
Linda: Can’t count.
Or reason.
Or provide intelligent posts.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
“you have 5 minutes to supply these answers, to see if you really have a handle on Massachusetts politics.”
1: I don’t owe you anything.
2: Romneycare is the godfather of Obamacare.
3: You’re diversions/lies are making you look dumber and dumber by the minute.
Bottom line: You’re a whiney little “moderate” who can’t prove that Obamacare and Romneycare are different.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
“Or provide intelligent posts.”
And here comes more diversions from our resident baby.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
“I don’t owe you anything”
Do What??-speak for “I’ve been outed!
@@
February 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
Actually, I called out the phony nature of Jon Huntsman from the very beginning his name was mentioned
Yet, Huntsman encorsed Romney.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
“Tiberius: 43 points
Do what: 96 points”
I’m shocked that DaveR, oops I mean Tiberius, actually scored any points. He’s spent most of his time diverting attention away from his lies.
@@
February 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
encoursed!!??!!
That’s sounds nasty.
Should’ve been endorsed.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:03 pm
“Do What??-speak for “I’ve been outed!”
Divert!!!!!!! Divert!!!!!! Divert!!!!!!
Hey DaveR, why don’t you just ask Kyle if Obozocare came from Romneycare?
@@
February 29th, 2012
1:03 pm
And “That’s” should’ve been “that”.
Stopping while I’m behind.
schnirt
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:04 pm
“Yet, Huntsman encorsed Romney.”
Yep, all the fake conservatives endorse Romney.
Let’s put it this way: Romney lost to the guy who lost to Obama in 2008.
Nuff said.
Jefferson
February 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
T- you can’t fix stupid, don’t waste your time.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:10 pm
“T- you can’t fix stupid, don’t waste your time.”
Yeah T, don’t waste your time trying to fix yourself.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:10 pm
“You’re a whiney little “moderate” who can’t prove that Obamacare and Romneycare are different.”
R: 70 pages.
O: 2,300 pages
R: State-run and Constitutional
O: Federally-run and un-Constitutional
R: Managed by a combination of state agencies and insurance companies
O: managed by unelected Federal bureaucrats
R: Uses Medicare as a form of some funding
O: Reduces Medicare funding
R: Doesn’t override religious institution’s Constitutional rights
O: Overrides religious institution’s Constitutional rights
R: Keeps people on their current insurance plans
O: Removes low-cost insurance plans from the mix
R: Allows you to keep your own doctor
O: Doesn’t
R: Doesn’t add to any budget deficit or debt
O: Does
And except for correcting typos, Do What???, that didn’t take me five minutes to point out the very basic differences between Romneycare and Obamacare.
If this were a fight, the ref would have counted you out two hours ago.
Linda
February 29th, 2012
1:14 pm
Family Budget:
annual income $24,700
annual spending $37,900
new credit card debt $13,300
existing credit card balance $153,500
recent belt tightening $385
Federal Gov. Budget: same as above with 8 zeros added to each amount
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:14 pm
@@, I don’t like McCain, but he endorsed Romney. I’m not fond of Pawlenty, but he endorsed Romney.
I do like Chris Christie, and he endorsed Romney, as did Jan Brewer and Bob McDonnell.
Looks like Romney attracts a broad coalition of support across the GOP spectrum, doesn’t he?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:15 pm
“And except for correcting typos, Do What???, that didn’t take me five minutes to point out the very basic differences between Romneycare and Obamacare.”
Yet Romney’s own advisors said that Obamacare came from Romneycare.
Hey, if what you say is true then why does EVERY SINGLE media outlet, including FOX, say that Romney’s achilles heel is Romneycare?
If Romneycare isn’t so bad, why does he run away from it during debates?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:16 pm
“I do like Chris Christie, and he endorsed Romney, as did Jan Brewer and Bob McDonnell.”
As does Obama.
“Looks like Romney attracts a broad coalition of support across the GOP spectrum, doesn’t he?”
Yep, so did Mccain.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:16 pm
“Let’s put it this way: Romney lost to the guy who lost to Obama in 2008.”
Ah. The “I don’t have political analytical skills” argument.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:17 pm
“If this were a fight, the ref would have counted you out two hours ago.”
That’s because you would have been beaten to a pulp. He’d have disqualified me for totally humiliating you.
@@
February 29th, 2012
1:17 pm
Tiberius:
And myself, Thomas Sowell & Larry Elder are all behind Newt.
The three of us make the perfect Oreo.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:18 pm
“Ah. The “I don’t have political analytical skills” argument.”
Um, pumpkin, that actually happened.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:18 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
You sound a lot like Granny Godzilla and AmVet.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
“Yet Romney’s own advisors said that Obamacare came from Romneycare.”
Repeating the lie. To correct: (as usual) ONE advisor (and one with a small economic part to play) has said this.
“Hey, if what you say is true then why does EVERY SINGLE media outlet, including FOX, say that Romney’s achilles heel is Romneycare?”
It is, as long as stupid people keep believing the lies.
“If Romneycare isn’t so bad, why does he run away from it during debates?”
Obviously, you don’t watch the debates. Because he doesn’t.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:24 pm
“Um, pumpkin, that actually happened.”
Yeah. In a different year. Under different circumstances. You obviously believe that different circumstances and different years don’t mean a thing when considering the future actons of people, Do What??? Your statement makes that clear.
So how can you think that Republicans in the House and Senate (should both become a majority in 2013) will actually curb spending with a Republican President? After all, that didn’t happen the last time.
You are a quivering mass of inconsistent thought and zero analytical skills.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:26 pm
“You sound a lot like Granny Godzilla and AmVet.”
And you smell like 5 day-old road kill. Isn’t it fun to just type nonsense?
@@
February 29th, 2012
1:27 pm
Tiberius:
You conveyed your like for Christie…followed by Jan Brewer and Bob McDonnell. I don’t personally dislike any of the three, but I’m wondering…do you LIKE Jan Brewer?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:29 pm
I like them all, @@. I think they’re all fine examples of good governors.
@@
February 29th, 2012
1:32 pm
I like them all, @@.
Okay! Do you think Governor Brewer comes across as sharp, intellectually speaking.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:41 pm
Not the most articulate speaker on the planet, no.
Can’t rate her intelligence, however, as I have had no dealings with her.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:46 pm
“It is, as long as stupid people keep believing the lies.”
Yes, you keep believing Romney’s lies.
“And you smell like 5 day-old road kill. ”
Ok, I figured you to be a child.
“So how can you think that Republicans in the House and Senate (should both become a majority in 2013) will actually curb spending with a Republican President? After all, that didn’t happen the last time.”
Because this time a lot of the RINO’s were kicked out of office/resigned. See: Spector/Snowe etc.
Long live the Tea Party, which you most likely hate.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
How many terms did Romney serve in Mass?
What significant bills has Romney signed into law that have actually helped people?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
1:48 pm
“Not the most articulate speaker on the planet, no.”
Neither is Romney, but you have no problem with him.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:50 pm
“Ok, I figured you to be a child.”
Says the blogger who keeps calling me a different name.
“Long live the Tea Party, which you most likely hate.”
I was a member of the Tea Party before you even heard of it, Do What?? You might know it (what am I saying, you don’t know anything!) as the Libertarian Party. Some of us aren’t Johnny-come-lately’s to this rodeo.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
1:50 pm
Do what? Read for yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mitt_Romney
@@
February 29th, 2012
1:51 pm
Not the most articulate speaker on the planet, no.
Neither is Romney. In fact, whenever I listen to him, I”m amazed by how much he sounds like Governor Brewer.
Up against a smooth talker like Obama, Romney’s gonna look like Porky Pig.
======================================
Stocks Slide as Bernanke Disappoints
“People want the punch bowl to be there forever,” said Joe Saluzzi, co-manager of trading at Themis Trading. “[This selloff’s] because of the lack of what [Bernanke] said.”
“People have had an excuse to buy for the last three months and that excuse has been free money…people are looking for more,” added Saluzzi.
The market’s been hitching a ride on the government’s gravy train?
By Margaret Chadbourn | WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Fannie Mae (FNMA.OB), the biggest source of money for US home loans, said on Wednesday it would seek $4.6 billion in additional federal aid after reporting a fourth-quarter loss.
Unbelievable.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:52 pm
“How many terms did Romney serve in Mass?”
One. Why?
“What significant bills has Romney signed into law that have actually helped people?”
Google is your friend. That would be G-O-O-G-L-E, if you have any trouble spelling it.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
1:53 pm
@@….Up against Romney…Hussein is going to look like the biggest liar on earth!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
1:54 pm
“Neither is Romney. In fact, whenever I listen to him, I”m amazed by how much he sounds like Governor Brewer.
Up against a smooth talker like Obama, Romney’s gonna look like Porky Pig.”
Then you’re clearly not listening to Mitt Romney when he speaks. I believe it is called “selective hearing”. Practiced by people with preconceived choices and notions.
md
February 29th, 2012
1:59 pm
“Under an agreement reached in direct talks in Beijing last week, North Korea has agreed to allow the return of nuclear inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency, and has agreed to implement a moratorium on long-range missile tests, nuclear tests, and nuclear activities at Yongbyon, including uranium enrichment activities, the State Department said. In return, the United States will provide North Korea with a large food aid package.”
I guess the wife is as big a sucker as the husband……haven’t we seen this before?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:00 pm
“One. Why?”
Ok, that’s not a long time. Like I said, he’s 9-16 in races.
“Google is your friend. That would be G-O-O-G-L-E, if you have any trouble spelling it.”
Ok, so nothing.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
2:01 pm
Do What? Are you too lazy to work and see for yourself or do you want the “gubament” to do all of the work for you?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Says the blogger who keeps calling me a different name.”
You were outed by md and Lil Barry. Also, you never denied being Dave R. You also claimed to have served in office, and as I recall, KUTGF outed you on Bookman’s blog and you went on a tear.
Face it dude, you’re a liar.
@@
February 29th, 2012
2:02 pm
As governor, Romney was another HuckFEE, which are….by another name….were tax increases.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:03 pm
“You might know it (what am I saying, you don’t know anything!) as the Libertarian Party. ”
Ah yes, more lies from Dave R.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:03 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
The Libertarians don’t look too kindly at Romney the RINO.
@@
February 29th, 2012
2:04 pm
My thoughts aren’t transferring onto the screen very well. I’m exhausted and OUT.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:04 pm
UGA 1999
I can multitask. You should be more concerned about the bad direction UGA is going in.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
I’ve seen you attack more conservatives on this blog than I have with you and left wingers. I wonder why that is?
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
2:07 pm
Do What? And you should be more concerned about the bad direction our country is going.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:08 pm
“And you should be more concerned about the bad direction our country is going.”
I am.
BTW, why are you getting testy with me? We’re usually on the same page.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:12 pm
“You were outed by md and Lil Barry.”
I remember them asking a question, yet getting the same answer I give you. And yet, I don’t see them continuing the practice of using another name when addressing me. Maybe they’re just more mature than you.
“Also, you never denied being Dave R.”
Nor have I denied being Bigfoot. Nor have I denied being responsible for sinking the Titanic. What’s your point?
“You also claimed to have served in office, and as I recall, KUTGF outed you on Bookman’s blog and you went on a tear.”
And maybe there might just be more than one former elected official on a blog?
The bottom line is, Do What?? that people use different names for different reasons, and the host rightly protects the identities of those who blog under an obviously different name, foremost of which is PRIVACY. Now, for that reason, I am, and will remain, Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate! to you and everyone else on his blog. If you do not like this, maybe a little friendly e-mail note to Mr. Wingfield will help clear this up for you.
Are we clear on that, son?
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
2:15 pm
Do What??? I am not being testy.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:15 pm
“I’ve seen you attack more conservatives on this blog than I have with you and left wingers. I wonder why that is?”
Because you have no concept of reading comprehension?
Lately, one ONE SUBJECT ONLY, I have complained against the dichotomy of people who claim to believe in freedom, equality and the U.S. Constitution yet do not support equal rights nor freedom for all.
I do not believe that constitutes ‘attacking” conservatives more than liberals. Except in your mind, of course.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:18 pm
“As governor, Romney was another HuckFEE, which are….by another name….were tax increases.’
The difference, of course, being that Romney was a governor of the bluest of blue states, with a legislature that could override any veto of his without breaking a sweat, and a requirement for a balanced budget, while Huckabee was not.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:21 pm
““You might know it (what am I saying, you don’t know anything!) as the Libertarian Party. ”
Ah yes, more lies from Dave R.”
My “Libertarian of the Year” award I am staring at right now would render your opinion (as usual) rather incorrect, Do What???
As does the “Backbone Award” from the local Republican party right below it.
Shame you don’t have either of these on your wall.
William Smith
February 29th, 2012
2:25 pm
Romney didn’t win Michigan Santorum lost it. He never knew that to open your mouth can without careful planning prove you are crazy. After hearing Santorum’s on issues I find him to not be conservative but out in left field and left his glove in the dugout. Everything from birth control, education, and seperation of church and state. I consider myself to be not liberal or conservative. These issues are not left or right but common sense. Me and my wife can’t afford as many children as he has. My father worked as a young man in the coal mines of West Virginia so I could get a college education. I don’t want a preacher,rabbi, or any other religious person telling me how to think,worship, and serve God. Now if he had only kept his mouth shut about these issues in Michigan he would have won.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:25 pm
“Because you have no concept of reading comprehension?”
There you go, diverting attention again. I’ve noticed that you’ve called people stupid multiple times. Maybe Wingfield can clear that up as well.
“I do not believe that constitutes ‘attacking” conservatives more than liberals. Except in your mind, of course.”
Calling others “stupid” because they don’t see things the way you do, comes to mind.
Keep trying, TiberiusDaveR.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:26 pm
“My “Libertarian of the Year” award I am staring at right now would render your opinion (as usual) rather incorrect, Do What???”
So you’re Bob Barr? Ron Paul?
No, so STFU.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:26 pm
“The difference, of course, being that Romney was a governor of the bluest of blue states, with a legislature that could override any veto of his without breaking a sweat, and a requirement for a balanced budget, while Huckabee was not.”
In other words, his one term was pointless.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:27 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
When you were talking about “elegant speaking” were you not paying attention when Romney said he doesn’t care about poor people?
I’m sure you’ll find a way to twist that as well.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
Name some prominent Libertarians that support Romney.
Come on.
Joe the Prophet
February 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
How’s thangs in Dixie..? Ready to abandon your Christian principles and vote for a polytheist in order to win a political election.
Rick Santorum is a HORRIBLE candidate, but at least he’s a Christian. I would rather lose as a Christian than win as a heretic…!!!!!
Joe the Prophet
February 29th, 2012
2:33 pm
Being as how the state of Georgia does not host a Libertarian party primary, you can support Gary Johnson in the Libertarian Party Convention, the first week in May, in Las Vegas….!!!!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:38 pm
“Name some prominent Libertarians that support Romney.”
Why?
“When you were talking about “elegant speaking” were you not paying attention when Romney said he doesn’t care about poor people?”
Of course, I could go back and repeat my oft repeated line regarding taking one public comment and extrapolating an entire policy from it, or I could repeat the dozens of gaffes from each of the current Presidential candidates, including the current Disaster-in-Chief and his VP, but since the point has already been made that no one is, in fact, perfect, it would be a waste of time for those who are farthest from being perfect to read them.
As they wouldn’t understand the concept.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
“Why?”
Like I thought, there aren’t any who support him.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:42 pm
Joe the Prophet, you have yet to answer my question to you.
Why do you care about the faith of ANY political candidate when there is a Constitutional prohibition on him or her to force that faith down your throat, and when the candidate has never shown even the slightest hint of his religious beliefs in the performance of his duties in office?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:42 pm
“Ready to abandon your Christian principles and vote for a polytheist in order to win a political election.”
South Park had an excellent show about Mormonism. I hear the same guys won tons of awards for “the book of mormon.”
Dusty
February 29th, 2012
2:42 pm
Gentlemen,
May we discontinue the playground twaddle and visit the outside world? Thank you..Now…..
I heard about three strongly determined young men today. They declined to obey the kings orders! Ah ha! The king gave them a very warm location to visit. You betcha!! Their story was written in a famous book by an author sometimes known as Danny-boy!. Who were they? (Mispelling is permissable!)
Winners of this contest get to shake the hand that shook the hand of Newt Gingrich (when Kyle gets back!) No googling!!
Ready! Set! Gooooo!!
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:43 pm
“Why do you care about the faith of ANY political candidate when there is a Constitutional prohibition on him or her to force that faith down your throat, and when the candidate has never shown even the slightest hint of his religious beliefs in the performance of his duties in office?”
The Constitution also gives us the right to question ANY candidate for ANY reason.
Sorry, if the Constitution is an inconvenience for you.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
The “Why?” for your benefit, Do What?? is because the prominent Libertarians across the country will be supporting their candidate.
Are you really that clueless?
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-government/personal-growth-mandate-passes-1367390.html
GREAT JOB MEN!
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
“Winners of this contest get to shake the hand that shook the hand of Newt Gingrich”
Dusty, were you at the private school which hosted Newt?
josef
February 29th, 2012
2:45 pm
Thought I’d check by and see who’s here and say hello. They’re off on abortion over at Jay’s. That one always brings out the same sanctimonious lot saying the same thing over and over.
So, how’s everybody doing?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:45 pm
“Are you really that clueless?”
Ah yes, more insults from our resident hypocrite.
“is because the prominent Libertarians across the country will be supporting their candidate.”
Which makes it even funnier that you, a so-called libertarian, support Romney.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:46 pm
josef
Hi, how’s it going? DaveR, I mean Tiberius, and I are having a nice little argument. I can see now why Bookman banned him.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:47 pm
Bookman: The heartlessness of Ga. anti-abortion bill
Oh the irony of Bookman.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:50 pm
“The Constitution also gives us the right to question ANY candidate for ANY reason.
Sorry, if the Constitution is an inconvenience for you.’
You truly are a moron, Do What?? No one has said there isn’t a right to question a candidate, but since this is a blog where people come to express their opinions (even those rooted in ignorance such as yours), it is sometimes valuable to read the thought processes of some who make such sweeping statements as Joe the Prophet makes regarding Romney and his faith.
I have never, and will never (because I know the Constitution much better than you could ever hope to do) deny him any right to say what he feels. But unlike you, I strive to learn from people rather than judge without knowing. (And yes, I already know all I need to know about you, and have judged you accordingly)
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:52 pm
“You truly are a moron”
And the name calling continues. Will Tiberius get banned from yet ANOTHER blog? We shall see.
md
February 29th, 2012
2:52 pm
So Jo, you say you come here to talk about abortion?
Well, we had that discussion here too…..a few floors down. It goes round and round and round….so that’s all I got on that subject.
How about Hamas pulling out of Damascus? Wonder if Quatar will have a positive effect?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:53 pm
UGA @ 2:44.
Not a bad start. I wish there weren’t so many restrictions to it, however.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
“But unlike you, I strive to learn from people rather than judge without knowing.”
BUT WAIT!!!! THERE’S MORE!!!!!!
You truly are a moron, Do What??
OH THE IRONY!!!!! OH THE HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:55 pm
“And the name calling continues.”
Then I suggest you stop being an (insert your own insult here) so that it might stop.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
2:55 pm
Tiberius….Restrictions to what?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
2:56 pm
“OH THE IRONY!!!!! OH THE HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!”
OH, THE SELECTIVE PARSING!!!!!!!
Dusty
February 29th, 2012
2:57 pm
Josef,
How nice to have you here!! I miss the occasional trips to the light fantastic on special occasions. Can hardly sneak in any indications of poetry inclination here either.
Kyle lays an honest road for us to travel although we wander off as usual. I hope you will visit here often.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
3:04 pm
UGA, the link said that they are restricting it to certain counties to be named later, and subject to funding.
Cast in Jello, rather than stone, imo.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
3:05 pm
Tiberius…..Oh I agree.
Dusty
February 29th, 2012
3:06 pm
Wrong answer!!! No winners yet.
It was not Larry, Curly; & Moe. Nope! Not sent to Hawaii either. Keep trying!
——
No, Do What???, I did not get to hear Gingrich speak at a private school. Just knew that Kyle was going to hear him.
josef
February 29th, 2012
3:09 pm
Do What
I don’t know if Tiberius was banned by al Shariff Torquemada or not, but he was a burr under the Imam’s saddle which, imuo, is a good thing!
DUSTY
Aw, thankee ye kindly ma’am…
md
You-know-who who thinks I’m a closet conservative is in over there and I’m trying to remember my training as a Southern Gentleman of Culture and Breeding and not to say what I really think…speaking of Southern Gentlemen, what’s the news on Hillbilly?
And Hamas pulling out of Damascus…that has been an interesting little twist. I guess the next thing will be a Jimmy Carter inspired al Het! About the only good thing I can see coming out of this so far is (hopefully) a discrediting of Hezbollah and the loss of an Iranian surrogate base…
md
February 29th, 2012
3:15 pm
HD pops in from time to time…..always the gentleman.
Can’t say I don’t miss some of those over at Jays, but I will no longer lend credence to his shenanigans. He is part of the problem, not part of the cure.
And I have no idea what Hamas is up to, unless they finally see the writing on the wall….but I doubt that.
josef
February 29th, 2012
3:20 pm
DUSTY
Not sure, but would that be Danny Alighieri you talkin’ about?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
3:20 pm
Hiya, josef! Welcome!
We’re usually much more civilized over here, but Do What?? needs to be slapped down for gross ignorance.
Or maybe he’ll quiet down once he’s in a drunken stupor.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
3:24 pm
“Then I suggest you stop being an (insert your own insult here) so that it might stop.”
Or perhaps you could grow up and stop acting like a 2 year old.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
3:25 pm
“We’re usually much more civilized over here, but Do What?? needs to be slapped down for gross ignorance.”
Geez, how many times can you contradict yourself?
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
3:25 pm
“Can’t say I don’t miss some of those over at Jays, but I will no longer lend credence to his shenanigans. He is part of the problem, not part of the cure.”
Couldn’t agree more.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
3:29 pm
“Or perhaps you could grow up and stop acting like a 2 year old.”
Says the blogger who calls me by a different name despite being corrected, parses comments to try to make false points, and never backs up his opinion with facts.
josef
February 29th, 2012
3:30 pm
Tiberius, Say What…
Dusty
February 29th, 2012
3:35 pm
Josef, @3:20
Whoops! Not Danny Alighieri. I won’t give you a clue ’cause you will remember three famous young men in no time as described by another famous one. . But..one little clue. They are not recent!!
Hillbilly D comes and gives us words of wisdom. He had me smiling yesterday when I asked him if he were going to hear Gingrich. He answered in reference to meeting with all politicians. It was a good one.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
3:38 pm
“Says the blogger who calls me by a different name despite being corrected, parses comments to try to make false points, and never backs up his opinion with facts.”
I’m not the only one who knows who you really are, Dave R. In fact, md said the same thing a few days ago and I remember you attacking her for it.
Grow up.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
3:43 pm
Tiberius
I’m done arguing with you. I don’t want to get banned from Kyle’s blog.
josef
February 29th, 2012
3:44 pm
DUSTY
Duh…Meshach, Shadrach and Abednego…
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
3:48 pm
“In fact, md said the same thing a few days ago and I remember you attacking her for it. ”
And yet intelligent people consider what I did “correcting”. Only the uninformed or sensitive consider telling people my blog name and asking them to please use it as “attacking”.
UGA 1999
February 29th, 2012
3:49 pm
A 40 year musical legend dies today. RIP Davy Jones. It barely makes the front page.
A crack addict in Whitney Houston dies and it becomes a two week parade.
A great sign of the times.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
3:50 pm
Sorry that I won’t be able to converse with you tonight, josef. I’ve always enjoyed our conversations. However, I must get ready to go out for most of the evening.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
3:52 pm
” Only the uninformed or sensitive consider telling people my blog name and asking them to please use it as “attacking”.”
Yeah, the only problem with your statement involves the fact that you’ve called me both stupid and a moron.
Again, I’m done arguing with you. Grow up.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
3:55 pm
Focus, Do What??, focus.
You accused me of “attacking” md. I simply pointed out that I did not, and that you were wrong (again).
You’ve proven (once again) why I have used such names for you.
Linda
February 29th, 2012
3:56 pm
Sandra Fluke was invited to testify before congress this week by Pelosi about how students at religious universities are suffering without free contraceptive coverage from insurance companies. Fluke, a third-year law student at Georgetown, testified, “Without insurance coverage, contraception…can cost a woman over $3000 during law school…That’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy…one…standing at the pharmacy counter…and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription…”
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/
Birth control pills cost $9 per month at Walmart & condoms cost a buck a piece at the dollar stores. Law school lasts 9 months for 3 years. That’s almost 4 X per day. When do these students have time to study? Tuition & living expenses cost $64 K per year at Georgetown. I’m crying a river for these victims. They are soooooooooooo entitled to their rights in the constitution.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
3:57 pm
“You accused me of “attacking” md. I simply pointed out that I did not, and that you were wrong (again).”
Guess I’ll wait for md to show back up.
“You’ve proven (once again) why I have used such names for you.”
Because you’re a child? You were beaten by your parents?
Dusty
February 29th, 2012
3:59 pm
We have a WINNER!!
JOSEF gets to shake the hand that shook the hand….Yep…Shadrack, Meschack and Abednego!!!
We are doing a study about those three and Daniel. Talk about tough decisions! Whoooeee…
Anyway, as the blog seems to have some children here today, how are your students? And all the much maligned APS teachers?
josef
February 29th, 2012
4:02 pm
DUSTY
Students are great as always, teachers are plugging along…we’ve got a new one brewing with the redistricting…testing season is upon us, so you know MY state of mind…
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
4:03 pm
“Because you’re a child? You were beaten by your parents?”
No,because they are TRUE.
And repeatedly responding to someone after repeatedly writing that you were “done with” them is a sign of mental instability.
Just sayin’ !
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
4:04 pm
Linda, re: your 3:56. She (Sandra Fluke) was on the Michael Medved show the other day, and was appropriately eviscerated by the host and the callers.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
4:05 pm
“And repeatedly responding to someone after repeatedly writing that you were “done with” them is a sign of mental instability.”
tick…tick…tick….
Dusty
February 29th, 2012
4:22 pm
My goodness, JOSEF..
Redistricting and now testing season! The best cliche’ I have is : hang in there!
Other than that, the flowering trees are fabulous and forsythia is a fountain of yellow yearnings. The little house wrens will soon be back. Now that’s good news!!
josef
February 29th, 2012
4:29 pm
DUSTY
Our peachtree is in bloom, forsythia and azaleas out all over, redbuds a budding, maples flowering…already started puttering about the yard to see what we want to do this year now that Unmentionable’s retired. Been keeping our eyes out for the wrens. Haven’t heard from Richelieu yet (the Mockingbird whose call sounds just like that!)
*****
Okay, better run. Enjoyed the visit. My warmest regards to Hillbilly….
Linda
February 29th, 2012
4:30 pm
Kyle will never go out of town again. His blog is now the Tiberius Do What Blog.
Will I get into trouble for calling 911 to send a posse out looking for Kyle? Has anyone even bothered to report him missing?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
4:36 pm
Then add something substantial to change the conversation, Linda.
Maybe it will get that one-note wonder off his or her crazy train.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
4:37 pm
“His blog is now the Tiberius Do What Blog.”
And like I stated, I’m done arguing with DaveR.
Michael H. Smith
February 29th, 2012
4:40 pm
DannyX
February 28th, 2012
10:18 pm
DannyX, you will never get it. Jesus could have just as easily said to a poor man it would be easier for a camel to go through the “eye of the needle” (gate) than it will be for you to enter the kingdom of God if you cannot give up that load of pride you tote in your heart that keeps you entering his kingdom. The meaning and results would be exactly the same. Stop coveting the wealth of others, it is blinding you. It will eventually consume you like a fire as well.
Dusty
February 29th, 2012
4:47 pm
Linda,
Round up the posse’!! Maybe Kyle is still sitting in traffic on the expressway.
I’m sure we will soon receive a stirring account of the Gingrich adventure. Gonna be good!
Speaking of “stirring”, I better get going and save my family from starvation. Yes!! (Which cans shall I open?)
Michael H. Smith
February 29th, 2012
4:51 pm
Kyle, save us… from us!
Linda
February 29th, 2012
4:59 pm
Dusty@4:47, Speaking of “stirring” & starvation, do you have a good recipe to share? That should teach Kyle! We’ll turn this blog into recipe-sharing!
Wonder is those above will argue which end of the can to open.
md
February 29th, 2012
5:14 pm
“Guess I’ll wait for md to show back up.”
Well I’m here…..so the question is, what purpose does it serve to continue to badger another over a moniker?
Debate the issues and leave the personal stuff at the door.
Do what??????
February 29th, 2012
5:30 pm
“Debate the issues and leave the personal stuff at the door.”
Tell that to Tiberius.
getalife
February 29th, 2012
5:37 pm
willard is getting ripped to pieces.
Our President will serve four more years.
Stop whining and get back to work.
md
February 29th, 2012
5:47 pm
“Tell that to Tiberius.”
Take the high road and let others travel the low road……….doesn’t matter what others do, set the example.
Hillbilly D
February 29th, 2012
5:55 pm
Started not to come by here today since the topic hasn’t changed. Imagine that I found out that Bigfoot sunk the Titanic. Who say’s you cain’t learn nothin’ on a blog? (A friend of mine swears that Sasquatch is actually his brother’s wife, but that’s another story for another day).
Looks like I missed Josef. If he checks back in, that documentary I was telling you about a while back (about South America), is called “Eyes Wide Open”. Pretty interesting I thought. Those folks down there seem to have never been able to find a system that actually works in their interests.
And thanks for the kind words from those above, who gave ‘em.
Linda
February 29th, 2012
7:10 pm
Here’s a recipe from a cookbook, The Beach Babes Cookbook Bible: Special Occasion Recipes, that my friend brought me from Myrtle Beach, SC.
The Tea Party French Salad Dressing:
1 1/8 c sugar
1 1/2 T dry mustard
3/4 T paprika
2 t onion salt
1 T celery seed
1/2 c white vinegar
1/4 c water
2 1/4 c vegetable oil
Put all ingredients in a blender. Whip on high speed for 1 minute. Store in a bottle. Shake well before each use.
For those of you who who only have a GED or who graduated from the APS recently, T stands for tablespoon, t stands for teaspoon & c stands for cup.
Go Tea Party!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
February 29th, 2012
8:12 pm
Just for the record, I didn’t “out” Tiberius…I don’t care all that much what screen names folks use. I do get a kick out of it when some idiot libtard (oops, redundant) thinks I’ve posted as someone else though.
Linda
February 29th, 2012
8:33 pm
The Republicans can beat Obama with the least effort, i.e. his policies on the economy, jobs, gas prices & the unsustainable debt.
Obama’s energy policy is to increase the price of oil/gas. How popular is that?
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 29th, 2012
8:51 pm
Did Mitt’s millions stop the spreading santorum stain? Well, slowed it down some, maybe. But we can expect more frothing about Mullah Rick from Kyle’s Kavalcade of Knoservative Kooks and Krazies…
tiberius your lightning rod of hate!
February 29th, 2012
8:56 pm
Linda, that kind of thinking breeds complacency, something we don’t need in November.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 29th, 2012
8:58 pm
There are millions of Americans that think America should not have a mulatto president.
Who will lead the lynch mob in November? Well, the GOP primaries continue – Super Tuesday is coming!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
February 29th, 2012
9:01 pm
Step over the pile of dog crap, please.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
February 29th, 2012
9:11 pm
Michigan elected Jennifer Granholm, if you know what I mean.
And, even so, the decent, moral and dignified people that remained nearly derailed the Romney Elite Republican Establishment KKKampaign, despite being outspent 5 to 1 and waging their battle in the heart of RomneyLand.
This is the best that Mitt can do?
Against an “extremist?”
ew
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 29th, 2012
10:02 pm
You love santorum, don’t you Curly Chin…
You and L’il Barry – so happy together.
ew…
captguitarman
March 1st, 2012
12:04 am
Looking at Michigan in hindsight, St. Santorum, a dumb Pub/Con who will never, never ever, ever be elected President — unless monkeys fly out of my butt at midnight — forced Romney and his supporters and Super PAC to spend millions he could have better used against Obama (who has a billion dollar war chest), to win the critical Michigan popular vote. And then the moron bragged about how that made him the winner. Is it politics that make people stupid, or stupid people who dominate politics? — but that’s a whole other essay. Hopefully, this circus will come to an end after Super Tuesday next week, and the egotist, Newt, will depart along with that clueless Libertarian who some how got into the Pub debates, which already featured enough comedy relief without him.
But here is the bright spot about Michigan, other than Mitt winning the popular vote. The Dem/Libs, using their dupe, St. Santorum, played their hand, and showed the world who they really fear. You don’t get 100,000 Dem votes in a Pub primary without party and union (okay, I know, they are one and the same) leadership kicking ass and taking names. Pub/Cons, I know you would rather be right than President, but hey, it’s been 52 years since Barry Goldwater ran. Couldn’t you just make an exception this time so that the one guy who could beat Obama has a chance to do it. The Dem/Libs sure know who could beat Obama, so why don’t you? This nominating process has been hugely divisive and destructive, but if all the Pubs, moderate and conservative, rally around Mitt . . . well, it’s a long way to the election. Mitt has crawled through Hell on shards of glass on his hands and knees, but all these attacks on Romney will be old and stale by the time Obama can use them. Obama is notoriously thin-skinned — he could have never weathered what Romney went through. If the Pubs can unite, who will be in the best shape to wage battle? Think about it.