Obama’s new budget: Still more red ink
President Obama released his fiscal year 2013 budget proposal yesterday. A lot can, and will, be written about it — including writings by me on this blog. For now, just the bottom line:
Accounting for the roughly $200 billion in net deficits attributable to the 2009 “stimulus,” Obama has taken an inherited deficit of $1.21 trillion and borrowed an increasing amount of money in each of the three fiscal years since then:
$1.29 trillion in FY 2010
$1.30 trillion in FY 2011
$1.33 trillion in FY 2012
We are expected to believe that this number would shrink to “just” $900 billion in FY 2013 if Obama’s budget were implemented. Here’s why I say “expected to believe”: All of the reduction comes from higher taxes, and this administration has been very wrong in its revenue estimates before — most recently by about $230 billion this year. This is in largest part because the economy has yet to improve in the way the administration thought it would. And all of this is without even delving into the likelihood that Obama will get the tax increases he wants.
But let’s assume the forecast will turn out to be correct this time. Obama still will have missed — by a wide margin — his pledge to halve the deficit by the end of his first term.
Again, attributing $200 billion in 2009 deficits to his “stimulus,” his rosy scenario would have the deficit down by just 26 percent (32 percent in inflation-adjusted terms; 37 percent as a share of gross domestic product). Each of those numbers is a long way from 50 percent.
If reality next year turns out to be more like the last three years, however, we will be talking about single-digit increases in absolute terms (inflation-adjusted or not) and a 2 to 3 percentage-point drop relative to GDP.
All of this, in spite of rising revenues (no matter how they are measured) every single year of his presidency.
It’s the spending. It will always be the spending with this president.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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DaveS
February 14th, 2012
5:30 am
Thank goodness we are able to ignore deficit spending when there is a Republican in office. It only matters when there is a Democrat in the White House. Two unfunded wars and the collapse of the housing market happened on the last President’s watch. Try to remember that.
Ayn Rant
February 14th, 2012
6:36 am
…and still more need for red ink! Unemployment is high, people are losing their homes, and our children are getting left behind in education. This is no time to balance the federal budget. The states can’t borrow, so it’s up to the federal government to keep us from sliding into economic depression.
Americans lost $9 trillion in the Bush Republican meltdown of 2007-09. We need more than 3 years to crawl out of the hole. Every $100,000 pumped into the economy, either by government borrowing or private investment, creates or sustains one job for one year. For every $100,000 the government takes out of the economy, one job is lost for a year.
Jobs are needed to create the consumer demand that encourages private investors to put their capital in job-creating enterprise instead of derivatives and other speculative gambles, which create jobs only for financial brokers.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 14th, 2012
6:47 am
You’d think after 9 years of the Bush tax cuts that the deficit would be going down, if you’re an idiot and believe in “conservative” idiotology…
GDRLA
February 14th, 2012
6:48 am
So, it was evidently OK to let the Bush/Cheney Circus Act use deficit spending for all of those trillions but now it is not? After all, I still recall the draft dodging thief Cheney stating that deficits no longer mattered. Why do they matter now? Is it because it is a Democrat who happens to be a non-white with a foreign born father who now sits in the White House? The whole mess is a continuing circus act – the Congressional leaders need to stop trying to keep Obama from being reelected & focus on the serious issues & challenges in this country – but since my pet pig is still not growing wings & flying I will not be looking for that to be forthcoming. Very easy to fix deficit – reduce spending (earmarks, etc) & RAISE TAXES!
GDRLA
February 14th, 2012
6:53 am
Continuing on the theme of my earlier post, the deficit came about under BOTH Democratic & Republican administrations & Congresses. Deficit financing/Keysian Economics requires 2 parts – Deficit spending when things/times are rough (as a Stimulus) BUT THEN WHEN THE CRISIS IS OVER – STOP THE DEFICIT SPENDING, ADJUST THE TAX BASE, & PAY DOWN THAT DAMN DEBT. That has NEVER happened – evidently won’t – after all, its not really money – Bridges to nowhere still need to be built, and the wealthy monied class needs to be allowed to continue to purchase their gold plated toilets & bathroom fixtures lest they be forced to live like the middle class.
Joel Edge
February 14th, 2012
7:17 am
Yeah, more of the same. November can’t come soon enough.
mr buckley
February 14th, 2012
7:31 am
some on seem to forget that the dems controled the congress from 06 till 10 but its all bushes fault
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
February 14th, 2012
7:39 am
Spend! Spend! Spend! Trust me.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
February 14th, 2012
7:40 am
Well..I guess those “shovel ready” jobs weren’t so “shovel ready”..HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Define delusional:
February 14th, 2012
7:44 am
“so it’s up to the federal government to keep us from sliding into economic depression.”
jconservative
February 14th, 2012
7:46 am
“It’s the spending. It will always be the spending with this president.”
And with his four predecessors also. And three of the four were re-elected!
And, as always, every cent the last 5 presidents spent was approved by Congress.
wut?
February 14th, 2012
7:47 am
Ayn Rant
February 14th, 2012
6:36 am
And where does the Fed Government receive the money to “create” jobs?
Disgusted on Both Sides
February 14th, 2012
7:50 am
Obama himself opposed the raising of the debt ceiling during the Bush years. But it is ok now because he is president? Debt is debt regardless of who is in charge. The government have no business in helping people to buy homes they could not afford. Credits goes to Chuck Dodd and Frank Barney (both Democrats) through their sponsorship of those bills in Congress. They should be hauled to prison. The Senate have not passed a budget in 3 years. The Democrats are in charge. The Republicans’ fault? Get a life. The budget can be passed with only a majority vote, not a super majority like they want you to think. Remember the ObamaCare debate? They passed that bill by a majority vote. The Democrats are politicizing everything to justify raising taxes for those who are already paying higher taxes. The Republicans are no better with the economy. They plundered when they were in charge. But since the Democrats are in charge, I’ll talk about them. Please spare me justifying Obama. He is as fake as a 3 dollar bill. He shamelessly used his mother’s health issues to promote the ObamaCare. Unfortunately, that was a lie. Take away his scripts and emptiness becomes too obvious. 57 states of the US? or Hawaii is in Asia? Obama said this when he spoke about health care reform at the Childrens National Medical Center in Washington in July 20th, 2009.
“The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system,” The only truth I know he has said.
reebok
February 14th, 2012
7:50 am
“Deficits don’t matter.” Dick Cheney
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
7:58 am
We warned you conservatives way back in 2005 that it would take years to dig us out of the cesspool your boy W dug us into.
Chillax. We are only 3 years into the repairs.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:01 am
Maybe that whole concept of “run two wars WHILE cutting taxes” wasn’t such a good idea?
Whoda thunk it? Outside of EVERY economist on the planet, whoda thunk it?
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
February 14th, 2012
8:01 am
I don’t have a clue what I’m doing. SO, it’s Bush’s fault.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
February 14th, 2012
8:04 am
Maybe that whole concept of “$787 Billion Stimulus Package” wasn’t such a good idea?
Whoda thunk it?
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:04 am
Accounting for the roughly $200 billion in net deficits attributable to the 2009 “stimulus,”
W didn’t include the cost of the wars in his plan, does Big O get a pass on the stimulus? I think not! Big O can nut up but the Republicans showed the true small size of theirs.
Great American Girlie Men
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:06 am
No, it’s only partially Shrub’s fault. But at least we have woken from the W nightmare and are attempting to fix it now.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
February 14th, 2012
8:08 am
Well, ya know how much Michelle and I love spendin money…see what I’m sayin?
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
February 14th, 2012
8:09 am
It’s Bush’s fault we spend money.
Road Scholar
February 14th, 2012
8:13 am
And what exactly has the Repubs done to create jobs?
Question:
February 14th, 2012
8:16 am
How does Government create jobs? From where does the money come?
Mad Max
February 14th, 2012
8:16 am
Ayn – Do you realize how much money americans are losing by the constant devaluing of the dollar? What happens when interest rates edge up on that debt that we continue to accumulate? You can bury your head in the sand and keep thinking it will go away like the european nations or you can demand that our leaders lead. And lead does not mean do it my way. It means tackling the problems, gaining consensus and implementing solutions. It does not mean whining that the other side won’t do it your way. I wish Obama was a leader, we need one but all he has shown himself to be is a very shallow egomaniac without the skills necessary to lead our nation. I wish him well in his next job helping Jimmy C build houses for the poor.
JKL2
February 14th, 2012
8:22 am
Finn- But at least we have woken from the W nightmare and are attempting to fix it now
The true definition of insanity. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result. But I’m sure it will work for you this time because obama is the smartest man on the planet.
curious
February 14th, 2012
8:23 am
Since 1968 (When our white democrat politicans in the south decided they were republicans), the republicans have had the Presidency 29 of 44 years.
With that leadership, how could we possibly be in the mess we’re in today?
For those that are unhappy, and there are many, just what is your plan to correct this?
Specifics (with a price tag), please.
jconservative
February 14th, 2012
8:25 am
From Politico:
“At the same time Republicans were railing at Obama for proposing a budget with a $1.3 trillion deficit, House GOP leaders proposed something many in their party thought impossible: adding $100 billion to the deficit by passing a 10-month extension of a Social Security payroll tax cut without paying for it.”
As I was saying earlier……………………………….
Question:
February 14th, 2012
8:26 am
curious
February 14th, 2012
8:23 am
And how many of those years did Democrats control Congress? The President “proposes” the Congress “disposes”—they are both guilty.
JKL2
February 14th, 2012
8:29 am
Help obama realize his dream.
“If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition” -Barack Obama
Looks like it’s time to step down for the good of the country.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:30 am
For you righties who can’t get a grip on reality:
Bill Moyers: Where the Right Went Wrong
http://www.truth-out.org/bill-moyers-where-right-went-wrong/1328974045
Aquagirl
February 14th, 2012
8:30 am
The true definition of insanity. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
The same thing? Let us know when Obama launches a couple of decade-long unilateral ground wars while cutting taxes.
it really doesn’t take a genius to understand this will bust your wallet, but then there’s no accounting for folks who voted for this. If you can’t grasp why building a bridge in Peoria is not the same as flushing money down the toilet called Afghanistan, you may be one of those people.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:35 am
Do you realize how much money americans are losing by the constant devaluing of the dollar?
That might be the most idiotic thing I’ve read on Kyle’s blog.
When the value of the dollar goes down our exports go up. Increases in exports means increases in work for Americans, fewer jobs going overseas, etc.
wut?
February 14th, 2012
8:35 am
“Bill Moyers: Where the Right Went Wrong”
Now there’s an excellent source of “opinion”. Why not the Huffy Post?
curious
February 14th, 2012
8:35 am
Question
You’re right, so what are we doing about it? I don’t see much willingness to work together.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:36 am
The true definition of insanity.
Using the same old tired cliche over and over and over again and expecting different results.
JKL2
February 14th, 2012
8:38 am
aquagirl- If you can’t grasp why building a bridge in Peoria is not the same as flushing money down the toilet called Afghanistan, you may be one of those people.
What makes this funny is I lived in Peoria for nine years. I think there were a couple democrats who voted for the “war on terror” and going into Afphanistan too.
When the value of the dollar goes down our exports go up.
February 14th, 2012
8:38 am
Hey! Let’s get that dollar down to ZERO! More work!
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:40 am
You conservatives need to stay focused on voter fraud. Let the adults continue to work on fixing the economy.
ohohoh voter fraud over there! and over there! Got get it! Good doggie.
JKL2
February 14th, 2012
8:40 am
finn- Using the same old tired cliche over and over and over again and expecting different results
Yes, obama is a great president…
It’s Bush’s fault…
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:41 am
can’t tell a cliche from reality? figures
voter fraud over there! Got get it! Good boy!
JKL2
February 14th, 2012
8:45 am
When the value- Hey! Let’s get that dollar down to ZERO! More work
Now you are going to dis the presidents immigration policies too? (make the dollar worth a peso, then they will stop coming here).
I would tell people to move to Mexico for the “good jobs” but their immigration laws won’t allow it.
td
February 14th, 2012
8:46 am
GDRLA
February 14th, 2012
6:53 am
” Deficit spending when things/times are rough (as a Stimulus) BUT THEN WHEN THE CRISIS IS OVER”
According to the Obama administration the crisis is over. Since that is the case then we need to follow the Republican plan and attack the deficit immediately. You should send your Democrat President this message.
JKL2
February 14th, 2012
8:46 am
finn- voter fraud over there! Got get it! Good boy!
Isn’t that Jimmy Carter’s job?
carlosgvv
February 14th, 2012
8:48 am
Are we going down the Greek road? If so, get ready for “welcome to hard times”.
ACORN
February 14th, 2012
8:49 am
Hey now! Voter fraud is OUR specialty!
Aquagirl
February 14th, 2012
8:49 am
What makes this funny is I lived in Peoria for nine years. I think there were a couple democrats who voted for the “war on terror” and going into Afphanistan(sic) too
Democrats who depended on information provided by the Mission-Accomplished Executive branch. Or did you think the Democrats ran the CIA during Bush’s reign?
The true definition of insanity: “discussing” things with people who respond with non-sequiturs and moving the goalposts instead of simply admitting they were wrong.
Ayn Rant
February 14th, 2012
8:50 am
wut? . . . The federal government gets money to create jobs from taxes collected and from borrowing private and foreign capital. The private and foreign capital that is invested in treasury issues at very low interest rates is not invested in American private enterprise because there is not enough consumer demand to offer a profitable return on investment.
There is a glut of capital and a shortage of jobs to create consumer demand that will make private investment profitable. One way to restore a balance between capital and consumer demand is to confiscate some of the excess capital by state taxes on wealth, and to slow the formation of excess capital by raising federal taxes on excess income.
Think about it! There is no possible way to spend money without creating and supporting jobs. Every cent spent by individuals, and the state and federal governments, goes toward creating and supporting jobs. Purchases at Walmart create jobs, many of them in Asia. Even foolish expenditures on useless things create jobs, but not all jobs create useful products.
real john
February 14th, 2012
8:56 am
If I hear one more liberal throw out the stupid talking point of “Bush started to unfunded wars.” Do you realize how dumb you sound. So I guess when Pearl Harbor was bombed, the U.S. should have said, “nope, we can’t go to this war either, because its not funded.” All wars the U.S. have fought in have resulted in spending.
BTW..the entire costs of both wars combined is about $2-$3 trillion which spread out over 10 years is $200 or $300 billion a year. Obama is deficit spending over $1.2 trillion a year!!
Most of you do realize that if Obama is reelected he will add easily twice and perhaps even three times the amount to the defecit as Bush. That’s by the White House own estimates.
This isn’t “right wing, Faux News talking points.” The Democratic Party is going to bankrupct this country plain and simple by refusing to even consider major changes to Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. You know the liberals like to claim themselves as “progressives” and love to talk about science, yet amazing they can’t do simply math. Our country is on a 100% path to financial ruin. The math does not lie or have political agendas. We must make MAJOR changes or we will be Greece. Yet, it will be much worse due to the size of our economy.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:56 am
In the 1950’s the top marginal tax rate was 91%. There were no rich people in the 50’s? people didn’t do pretty well?
What else happened in the 50’s? Oh yeah, the middle class became the predominant class and America became the powerhouse it is so helplessly looking to regain today.
Ernest T. Bass
February 14th, 2012
8:56 am
Hey now! Voter fraud is OUR specialty!
Actually its the Bush’s specialty
See Florida.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
8:57 am
Most of you do realize that if Obama is reelected he will take your guns!
wut?
February 14th, 2012
8:58 am
Ayn Rant
“confiscate”…That sums it up. Take from others. So, it has to take money “out” of the economy.
Define delusion:
February 14th, 2012
8:59 am
Ernest T. Bass
February 14th, 2012
8:56 am
Actually no, even the NYT could not find voter fraud in FL.
Ernest T. Bass
February 14th, 2012
9:00 am
Most of you do realize that if Obama is reelected he will take your guns!
Thats not the half of it.
1 Islam will become the state religion.
2 USA will be annexed by Kenya.
Beware the black helicopters circling overhead.
Rafe Hollister
February 14th, 2012
9:00 am
Obama and red ink, who’da thunk it?
If he could just get a little support, he could expedite his destruction of this once great country, and we would get the fundamental change he has promised us.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
9:01 am
We must make MAJOR changes or we will be Greece.
Anybody spare a valium? You might want to stay in your bunker for a few more years. Let the adults work on solving the problems.
td
February 14th, 2012
9:03 am
Ernest T. Bass
February 14th, 2012
8:56 am
The only fraud in Florida was when the Gore campaign attempted to throw out the military votes.
Let the adults work on solving the problems.
February 14th, 2012
9:03 am
Our tired and used simple answer, blame Bush.
real john
February 14th, 2012
9:07 am
Really Finn McCool… O wise one, please share you thoughts as Obama is continuing to run close to $1 trillion deficits. So how does that not lead to financial ruin for anyone or business.
Lets see I bring home $2,000 a month and I spend $3,500 a month indefinately. O big “adult” please explain to me how this person would not go bankrupct.
BTW my profession is in Financial’s so I’m all hears to hear your answer on this one.
jconservative
February 14th, 2012
9:08 am
“How does Government create jobs? From where does the money come?”
“How does Government create jobs?” The Reagan model, increase the size of the civilian government and increase the size of the military.
From where does the money come? Again, the Reagan model, cut revenue and borrow the money to cover the lost revenue and the increase in spending.
This ain’t brain surgery folks.
Robert
February 14th, 2012
9:11 am
Thank you President Obama for creating a strategy to help educate and train our children for the future jobs in America. It is obvious by the comments on this site ignorance is still a major problem in America especially in the deep South (NC,SC,GA, etc.). In 2008 the American People elected President Obama by a landslide victory and the whole world has been blessed by spreading the good news of freedom and democracy. The day’s of the bigot and the dictator are gone like the dinosour.
BW
February 14th, 2012
9:15 am
Kyle
If you are focused on increased government spending in a vacuum, then yes Obama has “failed” to arrest the spending. However the President sends a budget to Congress which must then pass a budget. Has the Senate actually passed a budget? No. Will the Democratic version of a Senate bill be voted on up or down? Not a chance. Will the House pass a budget that will be voted down by the Senate? Absolutely. Unfortunately there is no honest discourse in Washington regarding spending. Both sides are only interested in slowing the rate of increase not decreasing spending.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
9:20 am
Last year’s Obozo budget was defeated 97-0 in the Senate. This year, Harry Reid isn’t even going to allow it to be voted on.
Obozo: Laughable Failure.
Ivan
February 14th, 2012
9:21 am
First four posts = “…but…Bush did it too!”
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
9:23 am
Prepare the escape plan. It should include assets stored outside the U.S.
UpForRe-election
February 14th, 2012
9:23 am
Enter your comments here
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
9:25 am
my profession is in Financial’s
I’ll pray for your clients.
Robert
February 14th, 2012
9:25 am
Just have to show my bigotry.
Joe The Plumber Too
February 14th, 2012
9:26 am
robert has been drinking from the obama urinal this morning as he starts chanting…o-ba-ma, o-ba-ma. As the saying goes “you can’t fix stupid” and most dimocrats could be poster kids for that.
Don
February 14th, 2012
9:27 am
The most disappointing part of the budget and the projections for the next 4 years is there is no attempt to get the budget below 20% of GDP. It stays north of 22% the whole time. Historically, the federal budget has been a steady 18-20% regardless of which party controlled what part of government.
Of course, getting it below 20% requires some hard decisions about non-discretionary spending….not likely until there is some sort of crisis.
Robert
February 14th, 2012
9:28 am
And MY ignorance…example: “dinosour”
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
9:28 am
Comparing the economics of personal finance to the economics of a national government?
Who let the third graders in?
Who let the third graders in?
February 14th, 2012
9:30 am
And this comes from one in Pre-K.
Road Scholar
February 14th, 2012
9:37 am
Finn: Thanks for the link. Very informative.
Wut?: From your comment, you must not have read it. If you can’t read, there is a video of the interview. If you can’t comprehend, there is no hope!!!!
Real John: ” So I guess when Pearl Harbor was bombed, the U.S. should have said, “nope, we can’t go to this war either, because its not funded.” All wars the U.S. have fought in have resulted in spending.
”
When we fought wars in the past Congress funded them ON BUDGET. These latest two wars were not on budget. Do you see/comprehend the difference?
smoke&mirrors
February 14th, 2012
9:38 am
If the Presidential election was scheduled for 2013 instead of 2012, what are the chances our soldiers would still be stationed in Iraq.
Road Scholar
February 14th, 2012
9:43 am
Kyle: Two things:
1. Why not do a column/editorial/blog topis on what Bruce Bartlett had to say in the link provided by Finn?
2. Please get your IT people off their a$$e$ and fix the AJC website? For over a week the site has been broken. You have my e-mail address if you need input and if you care. Jay hasn’t done anything when this has been pointed out, it appears.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
9:47 am
I’ve been on other blogs where you can actually edit what you wrote and even delete your own post. I suppose that is too technical for Cox Communications.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
9:48 am
“It only matters when there is a Democrat in the White House. Two unfunded wars and the collapse of the housing market happened on the last President’s watch.”
And all of that didn’t equal what Obozo spent in his first three years in office.
15 trillion.
Try to remember that.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
9:49 am
“See Florida.”
Bush won Florida, sore loser. Try to remember that.
MarkV
February 14th, 2012
9:49 am
The discussion today consists mainly of the usual carping by Kyle and those on his side about the budget, and a thoughtful summarized analysis by Ayn Rant. There is not much one can add to his/her excellent posts. Nobody so far has even approached any rational denial of the points made in those posts, and I do not expect anybody will.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
9:50 am
” Please get your IT people off their a$$e$ and fix the AJC website?”
Maybe you should get off your A$$ and get a new computer. Last time I checked, Kyle was a writer, not a computer dork.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
9:50 am
“Nobody so far has even approached any rational denial of the points made in those posts, and I do not expect anybody will.”
Then again, no one is here for your approval.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
9:51 am
“It’s the spending. It will always be the spending with this president.
That and high unemployment. Wonder why all the left wingers are so silent about that.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
9:52 am
“You’d think after 9 years of the Bush tax cuts that the deficit would be going down”
That post wins “dumbest most idiotic post of the day.”
Congrats, trash.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
9:53 am
“Bill Moyers: Where the Right Went Wrong”
HAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cynic
February 14th, 2012
9:54 am
In 2008 the American People elected President Obama by a landslide victory and the whole world has been blessed by spreading the good news of freedom and democracy. The day’s of the bigot and the dictator are gone like the dinosour.
You checked the middle east lately buddy? Now go back to your Omoeba shrine…
wut?
February 14th, 2012
9:56 am
Road Scholar
If you can’t read, there is a video of the interview. If you can’t comprehend, there is no hope!!!!
All you got?
B. Cosby
February 14th, 2012
9:59 am
Obama doesn’t know how much money is being spent. It has been 1020 days since a budget has been implemented. It is very difficult to know how much money there is to spend when the administration thinks there is an endless supply of money, therefore the Obama administration is never over budget.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
10:00 am
“In 2008 the American People elected President Obama by a landslide ”
Um, no that was not a landslide. The ONLY landslide in recent history is Reagan 84.
“The day’s of the bigot and the dictator are gone like the dinosour.”
Uh huh.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
10:00 am
The last Republican budget had a deficit of $160 billion.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
10:01 am
“Last year’s Obozo budget was defeated 97-0 in the Senate. This year, Harry Reid isn’t even going to allow it to be voted on.
Yet the idiotic left keeps blaming the GOP. I can’t wait till gas goes up to $5/gallon this summer just to see Obozo blame Israel or Bush.
ragnar danneskjold
February 14th, 2012
10:03 am
Dear Kyle, there is nothing untrue in your essay, but I think you err by arguing the falsity of democrat claims on “deficit.” We agree that spending is the core problem, so why not simply use the gross spending numbers? Those numbers are facially much worse.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy11/sheets/hist03z2.xls
Total Federal spending 2008
2,982,554,000
Total Federal spending 2011 (est)
3,833,861,000
Almost $1 trillion more PER YEAR, or almost 35% more PER YEAR.
And, in typical Democrat fashion, the only areas where Obama proposes actual spending cuts for 2012 are the two areas where spending is mandated by the Constitution, military and the post office.
td
February 14th, 2012
10:09 am
I see all these comments about the budgets for the wars we have had to fight. How much have the two wars cost? How many jobs did these two wars create? Did Obama take credit for those job gains? Where would have unemployment numbers be today without those jobs?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
10:13 am
“Every $100,000 pumped into the economy, either by government borrowing or private investment, creates or sustains one job for one year.”
Can anyone else see the problem with this liberal Rant?
It’s called MATH, Ayn.
Borrow $100,000 to create or sustain the typical job in America? Given that the average household income in this country is approx. $45k, it’s safe to say that the average job doesn’t pay or cost employers anywhere near that number (likely more in the $30k range for salary and another $10k for any benefits), Ayn Rant’s figures just prove the complete and total lack of understanding of job creation and economics the liberal mindset possesses.
In short, let’s borrow $100k to create or save a job that costs $40k, and let’s do it each and every year.
Oy!
MarkV
February 14th, 2012
10:15 am
Do what?????? @9:50 am: “Then again, no one is here for your approval.”
If it is supposed to be an intelligent post, then you failed miserably.
ragnar danneskjold
February 14th, 2012
10:19 am
Dear Tiberius @ 10:13, good argument. Our friend Ayn Rant seemingly still believes the mystical “mulitplier” is real, even though Robert Barro has done some quantitative research showing the multiplier is closer to 0.5 than the leftist claim of 1.5.
Ayn Rant also seems to believe all jobs are of equal value, when there can be little doubt that the “government” jobs created by Obama are wholly anti-productive. But, in all fairness, those government jobs probably do cause wasteful expenditure in the range of $100,000 for each $100,000 expended by the government, by the time we calculate all of the private compliance expenditures necessary to obey the anointed overlords. Still no way to run a railroad, unless you are railroading the taxpayers.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
10:20 am
“Where would have unemployment numbers be today without those jobs?
What jobs? What about all the millions of people who’ve stopped looking for work and their unemployment running out?
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
10:21 am
“If it is supposed to be an intelligent post, then you failed miserably.”
Nice diversion, simpleton. I bet you had to re-re-re-read my comment to you and you still don’t know what it means.
Jefferson
February 14th, 2012
10:23 am
If the taxes aren’t paid, the bills pile up.
MarkV
February 14th, 2012
10:30 am
Do what?????? @10:21 am
No diversion, just a response to a stupid post.
wut?
February 14th, 2012
10:32 am
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
10:13 am
Excellent!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
10:34 am
“If taxes aren’t paid, the bills pile up.”
Genius! Simply genius, Jefferson!
And what do YOU do when you earn less money from one year to the next in your home? Do you keep spending MORE, or do you cut back?
Road Scholar
February 14th, 2012
10:36 am
Do What: My computer is 3 months old .Others have complained on this blog before about the same thing. So, if you are so knowledgable, what is the phone number of the AJC IT Dept…where I can talk to a human? I thought that Kyle/Jay would do some customer service and contact them to fix it or e-mail me to see what the problem is!
And if you were interested in an opinion from a repub on his take on this mess we are in access it.
wut?: Its all I need! ie Do What?!
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
10:41 am
“No diversion, just a response to a stupid post.
Glad to see you admit that your comments are stupid. Good job, now move along simpleton.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
10:42 am
“So, if you are so knowledgable, what is the phone number of the AJC IT Dept…where I can talk to a human?
Well, if your computer isn’t that old and you have access to the internet, maybe you can use Google to look for the number. I usually don’t have problems with the AJC website.
MarkV
February 14th, 2012
10:44 am
Do what?????? @10:41 am
All you are proving is that you are capable of idiotic attacks. That tells us something of your intelligence, or rather a lack of it.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
10:47 am
“All you are proving is that you are capable of idiotic attacks. That tells us something of your intelligence, or rather a lack of it.”
Let’s see, you call me stupid and then claim that I’m attacking you. Then, you say my comments are not intelligent.
Could you be more hypocritical?
Jefferson
February 14th, 2012
10:47 am
Why does anyone believe the GOP will cut back, they didn’t before when they had power.
If I needed more money, I would increase my income.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
10:51 am
If the biggest problem you have in life is the performance of the AJC website, Road Scholar, then you really need to get a life.
Just sayin’ !
And for the record, I’ve experienced no issues with this site for well over 6 months. I helped Jay identify the issue his blog had with earlier time-stamping posts months ago, and he was able to show his IT group what was going on which pointed them in the right direction to fix that problem.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
10:51 am
“Why does anyone believe the GOP will cut back, they didn’t before when they had power.”
Because most of those big spenders were voted out of office back in 06.
MarkV
February 14th, 2012
10:54 am
Do what?????? @10:47 am
You have started with a brainless post and name-calling. So go on, go on, keep showing us how you are incapable of elementary logic.
wut?
February 14th, 2012
10:56 am
Road Scholar
Just personal attacks, all you have. Typical.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
11:00 am
“You have started with a brainless post and name-calling. So go on, go on, keep showing us how you are incapable of elementary logic.
MarkV, I’m done going back and forth with you. Get a life and post something relevant.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
11:06 am
If you want it, you gotta pay for it.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Pay your taxes, Republicans. Quit trying to get out of it.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
11:08 am
It’s the spending. It will always be the spending with this president.
And the republicans can’t find anybody in 300 million Americans (not including Kenyans!) who can unseat him.
What gives?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
11:09 am
By definition, Republicans pay their taxes, and Democrats swipe EBT cards.
Inside Out
February 14th, 2012
11:12 am
“Because most of those big spenders were voted out of office back in 06″
Get serious…….
Inside Out
February 14th, 2012
11:14 am
Heree we go again….. You get more and more stupid each and every day……
Inside Out
February 14th, 2012
11:15 am
LBB is an ‘Effin’ MORON!!!!
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
11:16 am
What gives?
Maybe ya’ll should get your own Kenyan to compete against Big O.
Try something!
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
11:17 am
Republicans spend 1 day filling out their income tax form and 364 days bitchin’ about it and looking for ways to get out of contributing.
No wonder you folks aren’t happy.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
11:18 am
“And the republicans can’t find anybody in 300 million Americans (not including Kenyans!) who can unseat him.”
Funny, I wasn’t aware that the election has already been held to decide that. . . .
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
11:21 am
“Heree we go again….. You get more and more stupid each and every day……”
You for instance.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
11:22 am
Actually, Finn, Republicans spend almost 5 months working to pay their annual income taxes, while watching the nearly 50% of Americans who pay none.
And you wonder why some people complain.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
11:28 am
Democrats spend 364 days trying to figure out how not to pay their own taxes while encouraging their dead beat loser voters not to pay their’s.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
11:28 am
“LBB is an ‘Effin’ MORON!!!!
Nice knowing ya!
Jefferson
February 14th, 2012
11:30 am
Without compromise, those with the most to lose will lose the most.
Tim Geithner
February 14th, 2012
11:37 am
“Pay your taxes, Republicans. Quit trying to get out of it.”
That’s right! Just because I have a problem with it..
MarkV
February 14th, 2012
11:38 am
Do what?????? @11:00 am
And I am done with you. I have not time for people incapable of reasoning.
Charlie Rangel
February 14th, 2012
11:38 am
me too!
Inside Out
February 14th, 2012
11:38 am
You don’t know me….and yes…LBB is a MORON!!!
Tom Daschle
February 14th, 2012
11:39 am
Don’t forget me!!
John Kerry
February 14th, 2012
11:42 am
Got me there, too!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
11:48 am
Jefferson, please point any “compromise” in the budget submitted by this Disaster-in-Chief.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
11:50 am
The point is, Jefferson, that compromise is a two-way street, and your guy isn’t even in the same zip code.
Jm
February 14th, 2012
11:57 am
Obama is a socialist
An economic terrorist for job creators
Cons take note: politico has a piece about how 1.8 million dead people are registered to vote in the US
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
11:58 am
“And I am done with you. I have not time for people incapable of reasoning.”
So you have to repeat exactly what I told you? Dang, you’re a genius.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
11:58 am
“You don’t know me….and yes…LBB is a MORON!!!”
Ok, Midori/AmVet/Kamchack/KUTGF.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
11:59 am
“Cons take note: politico has a piece about how 1.8 million dead people are registered to vote in the US”
Sounds like Illinois.
Unbelievable
February 14th, 2012
11:59 am
Jm
And just how many Government checks are sent to many of those dead people?
Inside Out
February 14th, 2012
12:05 pm
Do What…So I guess all of those people know LBB is stupid as well…..
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
12:08 pm
“Do What…So I guess all of those people know LBB is stupid as well….”
Tick..tick…tick….
Jm
February 14th, 2012
12:08 pm
Unbelievable
Lots and lots
Jefferson
February 14th, 2012
12:08 pm
The president does not pass the budget, that is the congress’s responsibility. He may veto, but that’s his power.
Jm
February 14th, 2012
12:15 pm
Kyle
Obama loves spending
Barack Big$ Obama
He’s buying votes
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
12:15 pm
“The president does not pass the budget, that is the congress’s responsibility.”
No, but his one and only budget was voted down 97-0 and his own party voted it down. Hey Jefferson, how’s about explaining why his own party never came up with a budget for years?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
12:16 pm
Jefferson, the President’s RESPONSIBILITY is to submit a budget. Someone with an iota of compromise in him would have submitted a budget that had some measure of compromise in it.
The Disaster-in-Chief failed (once again) in his leadership duties by submitting yet another budget that is dead on arrival.
Congress is bad enough (and the Democrat-controlled Senate even worse), but why do you keep covering for this guy?
Jm
February 14th, 2012
12:17 pm
Jefferson
Functionally wrong statement
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
12:24 pm
“Functionally wrong statement”
No, just functionally wrong. Period.
Darwin
February 14th, 2012
12:26 pm
You always get religion when the Republicans lose power. Where were you back when Bush was spending? You will always be a hypocrite.
Jefferson
February 14th, 2012
12:28 pm
Don’t let your hate for YOUR President blind you, congress must compromise. The last 6 presidents didn’t make a difference, did they ?
Ivan
February 14th, 2012
12:29 pm
Republicans.
Ended the Civil War.
Abolished Slavery.
Killed Vampires doing it.
Politico
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
12:33 pm
“The last 6 presidents didn’t make a difference, did they ?”
The last 6 didn’t run up 15 trillion in debt.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
12:34 pm
“You always get religion when the Republicans lose power.”
?
“Where were you back when Bush was spending?”
Which day?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
12:38 pm
And the republicans can’t find anybody in 300 million Americans (not including Kenyans!) who can unseat him.
What gives?
———–
Too many parasites angling to keep their benefits coming.
a.k.a. Obamaggots.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
12:49 pm
“Obamaggots.
They’re all hanging out over on Bookman’s blog, LBB. I doubt any of them actually work for a living. They sit, wait for Jay to throw them a bone and then make the same comments about Bush etc 24/7. It’s really sad.
Jm
February 14th, 2012
12:51 pm
Dumb liberals blather on and on
Ignoring the issue posed by jay
Liberals have no cred
JHM had a half decent answer
Though he hasn’t the faintest idea how disruptive 20% renewable power would be to the grid
You thought the early 00’s blackout was crazy?
U ain’t seen nothing
Keep wallowing in ignorance liberals
It suits you
wut?
February 14th, 2012
12:51 pm
Correct, Do What??????. And if you disagree, you get booted. Typical. Of course there are only about 4 of them…Cramshak, Keep up, etc…
Jm
February 14th, 2012
12:55 pm
You guys dont understand utilities
The loan will only not be paid back if the state government says so
Then the state government would be screwing big daddy uncle Sam
Or they would be screwing each other
That is the other purpose of the loan guarantees
Alignment of government interests rather than governments screwing people who invest capital (lenders and shareholders)
Boy you folks are dumb
Churchill was right…..
Jm
February 14th, 2012
12:56 pm
Southern company is a “regulated utility”
Perhaps you turkeys should go look up what that means
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
12:56 pm
“And if you disagree, you get booted. Typical. Of course there are only about 4 of them
Jay has a problem with discernment. I’ve argued with him many times over many issues and he always gives the left wingers a free pass. I’ve been called many names and when I retaliated he gave me the ole boot. Most of the people on his blog are left wingers that obviously don’t have jobs. If they did, their employer would have fired them all by now.
Do what??????
February 14th, 2012
12:57 pm
Jm
Like Sir Charles Barkely said “black people have voted for Democrats for decades and they’re still poor”
Jm
February 14th, 2012
12:59 pm
Driveby
You can now carp amongst yourselves again in wonderful collective ignorance
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
1:00 pm
When our President Bush left office, 142 million had jobs. Today, 141 million.
Your Idiot Klown Obozo is a failure (or a success, if you are a Marxist).
Jm
February 14th, 2012
1:01 pm
Oh he’ll wrong blog
Inside Out
February 14th, 2012
1:04 pm
“Like Sir Charles Barkely said “black people have voted for Democrats for decades and they’re still poor”
Glad there are no poor white republicans…..
old timer
February 14th, 2012
1:07 pm
The House will pass a better budget, the Senate has already said they will not vote on anything. There has not been a budget in over 1000 days….The President has written a camaign budget and speech, promising everyone everthing. The will just confiscate more of the wage earners money. The people who can will put their money in overseas accounts and sit on it. I wish someone in camaign mode whould p\bring up the Fair Tax…
Linda
February 14th, 2012
1:11 pm
Obama said, 2/23/09, “We cannot, and will not, sustain deficits like these without end. Contrary to the prevailing wisdom in Washington these past few years, we cannot simply spend as we please and defer the consequences to the next budget, the next administration, or the next generation.
We are paying the price for these deficits right now. In 2008 alone, we paid $250 billion in interest on our debt, 1 in every 10 taxpayer dollars. That is more than three times what we spent on education that year, more than seven times what we spent on VA health care.
So if we confront this crisis without also confronting the deficits that helped cause it, we risk sinking into another crisis down the road as our interest payments rise, our obligations come due, confidence in our economy erodes, and our children and our grandchildren are unable to pursue their dreams because they’re saddled with our debts.
And that’s why today I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office. Now, this will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we’ve long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8
Obama continues to say one thing & do the complete opposite.
Just Saying...
February 14th, 2012
1:16 pm
2000 – Bush’s first Budget: Red Ink! And the problem with surpluses was…?
2001 – Bush’s new Budget: More red Ink. Republicans whistle while they spend.
2002 – Bush’s new Budget: More red Ink. Republicans whistle while they spend.
2003 – Bush’s new Budget: More red Ink. Republicans whistle while they spend.
2004 – Bush’s new Budget: More red Ink. Republicans whistle while they spend.
2005 – Bush’s new Budget: More red Ink. Republicans whistle while they spend.
2005 – Bush’s new Budget: More red Ink. Republicans whistle while they spend.
2006 – Bush’s new Budget: More red Ink. Republicans whistle while they spend.
2007 – Bush’s new Budget: More red Ink. Republicans whistle while they spend.
2008 – Bush’s Depression: We better call it a Recession or else we’re cooked for 20 years.
2012 – Obama’s new Budget: Apocalypse! Sky’s falling! We got nothing, but Keyes’ is an idiot!
GOP’s 2012 Super Secret, Really Brilliant, we are SO Smart, this’ll work NO Doubt, the Masses are SO Dumb: —->Voter Amnesia
(just show us your photo ID so’s we know it’s you).
Should work; Got me fooled…
Get Real
February 14th, 2012
1:20 pm
The progressive posts on this blog defy description…truly unbelievable
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
1:21 pm
Glad there are no poor white republicans…..
Trailer parks are full of them. like weeds. The reason many Republicans are pro-life is becasue they need voters and this is their base.
Get Real
February 14th, 2012
1:26 pm
Finn needs a giant reality pill, are you just visiting this planet?
Gimme Gimme Gimme
February 14th, 2012
1:26 pm
Internet Bubble……Don’t worry….it’s the new paradigm.
Housing Bubble….Don’t worry…..it’s the new paradigm.
Debt Bubble………Don’t worry…..it’s the new paradigm.
JKL2
February 14th, 2012
1:27 pm
aquagirl- Democrats who depended on information provided by the Mission-Accomplished Executive branch.
You mean those poor uninformed congressmen who all sat thru the same intel briefings? Is this like obama sitting in Rev Wright’s church for 20 years without hearing anything the man actually said? Maybe you should put more effort into electing representatives with the ability to comprehend.
JKL2
February 14th, 2012
1:37 pm
just sayin’-
2009 – obama’s new Budget: More red ink. It’s Bush’s fault.
2010 – obama’s new Budget: More red ink. It’s Bush’s fault.
2011 – obama’s new Budget: More red ink. It’s Bush’s fault.
2012 – Obama’s new Budget: More red ink. The economy is doing “great” but we’ll keep spending more because that’s all we know how to do.
Should work; Got me fooled…
MiltonMan
February 14th, 2012
1:38 pm
President Obama has a warning for America’s men: don’t forget today is February 14th.
“Let me start with a quick public service announcement to all the gentlemen out there: today is Valentine’s Day. Do not forget,” Obama said during remarks Tuesday. “I speak from experience here. It is important that you remember this.”
“And go big. That’s my advice,” the president added.
Thank you so much Mr. President for the reminder. What would I do without a fine government rep like you who wants to take care of me from cradle to grave. “and go Big” – that is the best part; kind of like you go big on spending right?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
1:46 pm
Bottom line–your Idiot Klown Obozo is the first to have presided over or proposed trillion-dollar deficits.
Obozo: America-hating failure.
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
1:47 pm
are you just visiting this planet?
Yes, I come to you from Newt’s moon colony. We are in beta test.
Voice of Reason
February 14th, 2012
1:52 pm
Wow, just scrolled down to the comments to see how long it would take the thread to devolve into the “it’s Bush’s fault” arguement. Apparently the answer is: 1 post. Congrats guys, that’s real accountability. Don’t bother with any responses, I won’t be back.
Just Saying...
February 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
JKL2:
Got a Who’s Fooling Who contest coming up Nov 6.
Meet you here Nov 7.
Hint:
Associated Press WASHINGTON February 14, 2012 (AP)
In an abrupt about-face, House GOP leaders announced Monday that they are willing to extend the two percentage point cut in the payroll tax through the end of the year and add the approximately $100 billion cost to the nation’s $15 trillion-plus debt…Without action by Congress by the end of the month, payroll taxes will rise for 160 million Americans.
Place your bet: Republican Principles, or Republican Politics?
Finn McCool
February 14th, 2012
1:55 pm
first to have presided over or proposed trillion-dollar deficits.
…and wont be the last.
I’m sure there were people reading the newspapers back in the old days who were moaning and whining about the first Million dollar deficits.
Linda
February 14th, 2012
1:58 pm
Just@1:16, Noticed you skipped budgets from ‘08-’11.
One way to prevent a budget deficit is to NOT PASS A BUDGET!
During Bush’s 8 yrs., $4.9 T was added to the natl. debt. During Obama’s first 3 yrs., $4.626 T has been added to the natl. debt. Does the AMOUNT & the SPEED matter?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
2:11 pm
“I’m sure there were people reading the newspapers back in the old days who were moaning and whining about the first Million dollar deficits.”
Way to dismiss the danger to the world economy so cavalierly, Finn.
Earth to Finn McCool: No debt has ever approached the size and scope of this debt and it’s relationship to our GDP. Ever. When you have a one-term President being responsible for approximately 40% of the total debt for this nation, with no attempt to corral spending, you have a long term economic disaster in the making.
And you libs just shrug it off.
Linda
February 14th, 2012
2:11 pm
Obama’s budget proposes that he’s able to raise taxes “on the millionaires & billionaires” (who make $200,000 & up), dead people, capital gains, oil & gas companies, etc., that is, making his dream come true, the dream he’s described for months. It assumes the economy will grow & revenues will increase. It reflects the $2.1 T in cuts made last summer. It adds new fees.
Liberals have been harping for months that all this would solve the deficit problem. So what happened? Obama decides to spend every single solitary new dollar of revenue, come up with new ways to spend even more dollars we do not have & still have a trillion dollar deficit. Democrats will never have enough money to spend.
Goodbye, America. Hello, Greece.
Just Saying...
February 14th, 2012
2:14 pm
Linda @ 2:11:
You’re Leaving?
GT
February 14th, 2012
2:15 pm
“Read my lips, no new taxes”
“Your president is not a crook”
“Iraq has weapons of mass destruction”
Gerald Ford was very honest and thrown out of office, never won an election. Honest Abe was shot, by a hot headed southerner.
It’s the lying, it will always be about the lying with these Republicans.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
2:18 pm
There is one party that has attempted to rein in federal spending–Republicans. The America-hating Democrats are the party of “no” to any restraint on the growth and intrusiveness of government.
Dusty
February 14th, 2012
2:24 pm
Well, today is RED INK DAY.
Make it into a valentine.
Make it into a ledger line.
Put the budget into decline.
Now smile or cry & whine.
Me? From this chair I rise & shine.
Gonna VOTE for a Repub valentine!!
‘Cause they are sweet, smart & kind!!!!
Gonna leave those Dems way far behind….
So stay happy! It’s RED INK DAY.
Just Saying...
February 14th, 2012
2:25 pm
Linda @ 1:58:
$4.626 T may be a measure of the hole we were in. I know, I know, don’t go all Pavlov; it was nobody’s fault. Just happened. Go figure.
But I do enjoy your apparent admiration of the discipline of a budget document. Because the reason for running two wars for 7 years and Never budgeting for either is…?
Dusty
February 14th, 2012
2:36 pm
Just saying, 2:25
Most Americans in the past decade voted & promoted war on dictators & terrorism. It seems some Democrats got mixed up and made war on Bush.
Don’t you think it is time for you to realize that Bush is not the enemy? That effort for truth would be greatly appreciated .
Now, I’ve gone to vote.
DawgDad
February 14th, 2012
2:40 pm
“It’s the lying, it will always be about the lying with these Republicans”
That’s part of the reason why there’s a Tea Party. We’re looking to get THESE Republicans (RINOs) out of office. But we’re NOT looking for socialist replacements.
GT
February 14th, 2012
2:44 pm
Dusty, Dusty, but you are all wet you must be a mud puddle.
Rafe Hollister
February 14th, 2012
2:54 pm
Just Saying, If I agree with you that GWB was a big spending liberal republican that put our financial future in peril, what say you about Oblamer. He has taken lessons from Bush and decided he can spend even more. No budget, no accountability, no plan to pay down the deficit or debt, more expensive government programs, more expensive vacations, wasted government spending that accomplished little.
What is the difference in “two wars for 7 Years and Never budgeting for either Is…..?
AND, no budget for three years (1040 days) for two wars, operation of the military, the federal government, debt, entitlements, infrastructure, executive branch, legislative branch, judicial branch, foreign aid, etc.
At least with Bush we had a budget which controlled spending for everything, but the two wars!
Linda
February 14th, 2012
3:00 pm
Just@2:25, When our son was young, he stuck a metal object into an electrical plug. He never did it again. That’s one of the definitions of a Republican.
Democrats keep sticking metal objects into electrical plugs. They keep looking for paperclips, ice picks, hair pins & tweezers. Whatever hair they have left is sticking straight out. They just keep stimulating & stimulating. I call it Band Aid & Bucket Economics. When the tree hits the roof, Democrats put a band aid on the ceiling & a bucket on the floor.
As of 2/09, when the economic stimulus bill was passed, the two wars you mentioned had been waging for 7 yrs. in Afghanistan & 6 yrs. in Iraq, 13 yrs. total. The accumulated cost at that time was almost exactly the cost of the economic stimulus bill, about $1 T. Was the Democrats economic stimulus bill in any way MORE budgeted than the wars? The most expensive bill ever passed in the history of the world, passed in a fleeting moment, was a total waste, as has been all the other efforts to stimulate the economy, none of them paid for.
GT
February 14th, 2012
3:12 pm
The difference between the Tea Party and the Republicans are the Republicans know they are lying, the Tea Party thinks it is telling the truth as it clogs the Congress and results into the lowest ratings of just about anything in the life of ratings. “You know God I thought it was cool with You to hate, juice a few innocent black people, finding out later the DNA proved em innocent, chase God fearing Christian over a desert till they dropped dead, molest children, hate gays and beat women.” And you who hate welfare, if He gives you a pass and He very well may do it, have received the largest welfare check the world has ever known.
MrLiberty
February 14th, 2012
3:22 pm
Ron Paul’s budget proposal – $1 Trillion in cuts the FIRST YEAR, and a balanced budget by the end of his first term.
Only Ron Paul points out that any budget cuts extending past two years are WORTHLESS as another congress could potentially be elected and could overturn the cuts, etc. If the cuts aren’t done in YEAR ONE, they aren’t worth a damn. Newt, Willard, and Rick propose NO serious cuts in anything and obviously Obama isn’t serious either. Thank goodness Ron Paul is running so that we can have a clear choice in favor of small government and principled politics. Ron Paul 2012.
jms
February 14th, 2012
3:26 pm
JKL2: “When the value- Hey! Let’s get that dollar down to ZERO! More work
Now you are going to dis the presidents immigration policies too? (make the dollar worth a peso, then they will stop coming here).
I would tell people to move to Mexico for the “good jobs” but their immigration laws won’t allow it.”
Here’s where not have a border fence will come in handy. Forget Mexican law, I’m scrambling across that open border to the good jobs!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
3:26 pm
GT, focus.
The PRESIDENT submitted a budget, not the Congress.
Tell us please how his continuing to run up TRILLION-plus annual deficits after promising to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term doesn’t constitute lying on the part of this Disaster-in-Chief.
MrLiberty
February 14th, 2012
3:28 pm
DawgDad – Great comments, but then why are so many Tea Party groups supporting Newt, Mitt, and Santorum and not getting behind Ron Paul 100%. Clearly he IS the only candidate supporting sound economic policies, sound foreign policy, sound monetary policy, and serious cuts in government size. We certainly cannot support nearly 1000 bases in over 150 countries and also cut the budget by a sizeable amount. We certainly cannot afford yet another war in the middle east just to line the pockets of the military industrial complex. We certainly cannot afford to continue to give billions and billions to foreign dictators while we sit on $15 Trillion in debt and over $150 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. What is the point of the Tea Party movement if they are just going to support the same big government policies that got us into this mess?
Linda
February 14th, 2012
3:29 pm
GT@3:12, Don’t you ever tire of race-baiting?
The Tea Party is composed of fiscal conservatives. It has NO social agenda. There are social conservatives & social liberals who are members of the Tea Party, but their membership does not change the mission of the Tea Party.
With the natl. debt approaching $16 T, our credit rating already downgraded once & Bernake warning this month that the debt threatens our natl. security, anyone who is not fiscally conservative is not a patriot.
Get Real
February 14th, 2012
3:33 pm
Finn….I would have responded in Klingon knowing that it is your native toungue but I could not find a translator…
Trailer parks are full of them.
February 14th, 2012
3:37 pm
This is what I do…call names, all I have.
GT
February 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
Tib how does running a fever cure the body? The problem with Republicans are they take O in his extreme and try to interpret it as his norm. In doing so the real picture is lost, conveniently, of what and who the president is. Any other medicine and this country would be in depression. I come from parents who lost everything they owned in the last depression. It may be the most reality changing real thing in their lives and in many ways ours. The reason many conservatives are what they are is from fear of stories of the great depression. The south prides itself in how poor it is. You listen to grown men out poor mouthing each other on every street.
If we stop having wars against ghost, homeland securing every blade of grass and in some pork barrel districts doing it twice, and legalize drugs,we would not have trillions in deficits. You blame it on the Obamacare, but unless we are using New Orleans as a example of practicing medicine, we spend huge amounts of money keeping the dead, that are uninsured, off the public streets as it is. All the drug violating prisoners in federal and state prisons gets their medicine including prescription free. Nope the real cost is these wars we fight with the world, and the cost of fear. We live in a house with the curtain drawn, chasing little kids out of our front yard who want to play. Taking care of our own may be the cheapest way to insure this country against terrorist. The problem with conservative America they think the might of this country is unlimited, those of us who lived through, Vietnam, realize that is not true. Shock and Aw was not as advertised, and now terrorist live in a country we built with trillions, Iraq, plotting against us. Now you focus Tib and tell me how you can be so blind to all of this.
Viet Nam, and
Just Saying...
February 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
Holy Smokes, musta touched a nerve…
In order, then:
Dusty @ 2:36 pm – Define most Americans, re 2000 Presidential election. Most Americans, or most Electoral College votes? “War on dictators…”? Any of them left in the world, for the dollars spent? Avg cost per dictator removed?
# of dead American soldiers in Tunisia?
# of dead American soldiers in Egypt?
# of dead American soldiers in Libya?
# of dead American soldiers in Abbottabad?
Try cut him a little slack…O’Bama may come to realize he’s not spending as many foreign war dollars as is popular.
But you’re right, the GOP way sells way more munitions. Dwight W. Who?
Most of the Democratic objection I hear about Iraq is, “More nation building in US, less in Iraq”.
Not mixed up, just different (and IMHO, better) priorities.
My objection to chicken-hawks Bush/Cheney/Wolfson/Newt/Romney/Rush is that when it was their turn to serve, their “enlightened self interest” kicked in.
Don’t forget your ID.
Rafe @ 2:54 pm:
Thanks for the GWB capsule summary, but whatever O’Bama is, here’s the 2012 Prob: Can’t beat something with nothing. Especially incumbents. Who is the GOP Something to beat the incumbent? Will that person win, or just make a Goldwater-Miller splat? BTW, they got my first vote.
As for budgets, gotta get ‘em passed. And, until today, no congressional Republican was willing to publicly confess to compromise.
Linda @ 3:00 pm:
Is there a primer somewhere on those macro economic theories? A course maybe? Audit? Clep?
“The most expensive bill ever passed in the history of the world”. Uhhhh, ok, if you say so. No need to channel Newt here…unless it’s just the thrill of it. Would that be in absolute, or inflation adjusted, dollars? % of GDP? Your consent to run that through Politi-Fact? Well, maybe just Paul Krugman? David Stockman? Grover Norquist?
As for “total waste”, let’s a least wait until the Michigan voters speak. Well dang, there’s auto industry factories and suppliers everywhere now. Even Mississippi.
oh really
February 14th, 2012
4:14 pm
“The south prides itself in how poor it is.”
Oh great one, please explain.
“The problem with Republicans are they take O in his extreme and try to interpret it as his norm. In doing so the real picture is lost, conveniently, of what and who the president is.”
Oh great and mighty one, do tell us who he REALLY is.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
4:25 pm
Just Saying: Because the reason for running two wars for 7 years and Never budgeting for either is…?
——
Stay focused on the past. That’s how Obozo wants his receptacles–distracted and ignorant.
VBC
February 14th, 2012
4:32 pm
The White House projections for GDP growth in this budget are entirely unrealistic unless there is a huge turnaround in the economy. Therefore, the revenue projections probably aren’t close to realistic. It’s a pretty safe bet that the spending projections are. The projected deficits are understated, probably by a lot.
Linda
February 14th, 2012
4:35 pm
Just@4:10, I have a degree in economics from one of the largest universities in the SE US, but a 5th grader could come to the same conclusion with a little common sense. Obama’s economic advisers promised unemployment would never exceed 8% if it was passed. Oops! Too bad they were professors who never practiced in the economy. There has not been ONE SINGLE MONTH in which the unemployment rate has been lower during 3 yrs. of Obama than it was during 8 yrs. of Bush. Krugman claims the stimulus wasn’t “big” enough. Obama claims he had no clue what “shovel-ready” meant.
If you look at the figures on the Bureau of Labor site, you will see that between 12/11 & 1/12, the unemployment rate went down after being “seasonally adjusted” while the number of employed decreased & the number of unemployed increased. Funny math? Here’s the page “not seasonally adjusted” which states that it increased from 8.3% to 8.8%.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm
Obama did not “save” the auto industry. Rather than going thru court bankruptcies, he micromanaged 2 of 3 US companies himself, illegally, throwing bondholders under the bus in favor of the unions. One is now Obamamotors & the other one is Italian owned.
GT
February 14th, 2012
4:51 pm
One of the reasons we have such hypocrisy in southern politics is we have people running and getting interned that end up being like Newt. People who say they are conservative but have $500,000 dollar charge accounts at the jewelry store. To Newt’s favor he speaks English unlike many of our Georgia governors who butcher it to the delight of the voters. Poor English, and we have has some classics, make the politician look like he comes from poverty which only in the south turns on the vote. One of the problems Romney is having with southern and Tea Party voters is he is too rich and educated. Probably too good looking too, that is another turn off down here.
Republicans would leave it out there that O is a serial killer if they could find someone dumb enough to believe it, which I am sure there are a few. The Tea Party has absolutely no respect for Obama, as the president of our country. They shout him down in State of the Union speeches, chase him around a crowd in Ohio and refuse to call him the president while addresses the media. This is the same crowd that demand you take your hat off during the national anthem. They describe him as a socialist, which he is not, they describe his as a liberal which liberal take offense to, Obama compromises and they call him weak. The truth is the right have had superstitions long before Obama came along, The raw meat plays well for the man who made the wrong choices of education, or self determination, but wants someone else to blame. You really can’t find much wrong with Obama, like you can Newt or Ron Paul or even Mitt, so you make things up like his nationality or his religion, or even his political positions. Part of what you make up or miscommunicate is that Obama wants to put us in a trillion dollars of debt. The man is playing the card he was dealt, quiet well. When the economy comes back by November which it sure looks like it will, you may need a super computer to produce you lies because the human one are just not sticking.
Just Saying...
February 14th, 2012
4:52 pm
Dear Revised Downward @ 4:25 pm:
How often does the Republican Party acknowledge or disavow their handiwork? Was Bush a Republican then? Is he one now? Were those Republican methods and deficit budgets, or not? Can a voter today be informed by the way the last Republican President governed, or no? If not, and the GOP True Believers have now emerged, when will the next version emerge? Mid-term, or after? How often will the Republican Party be changing their budgeting methods, if not their values?
What Are the core Republican Party values? How long (terms/years/months/days) can a voter rely on those values?
Isn’t that the Republican problem now? If you vote Republican, do you get a deficit Bush, or a Libertarian Paul? Anti abortion, or no? Gay marriage (caution, Cheney may be watching)? Free markets, or subsidized corn? Global trade, or protected US Sugar donors/growers?
I think the Republican values issue is why people have said we don’t need a Third Party. We need a Second.
Definition of bigot:
February 14th, 2012
4:58 pm
GT
Just Saying...
February 14th, 2012
4:59 pm
But when one learned O’Bama graduated from Harvard, one’s admiration….?
Or was that Bush…?
GT
February 14th, 2012
5:07 pm
Just Saying, you are so right about a second party, give us somebody that can debate facts and represent the other side without disgracing the party or the country. This one party system brought us Nixon in the late 60s and is not good for the country even now.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
5:10 pm
“You really can’t find much wrong with Obama”
Oh yes we can.
And it has nothing to do with his birth or his race.
It has everything to do with his failed polices, his lack of leadership, and is inability to comprehend an economic system he’s never really participated in.
Just Saying...
February 14th, 2012
5:17 pm
Remind me lightn’ rod, O’Bama’s 2011 Tax Return was for…?
And no bonds, stocks or CDs, you say?
Clearly, I need to look up participate.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
February 14th, 2012
5:33 pm
Just saying, YOU need to look up the definition of “Blind Trust”.
You also have to look at his “job history”
Academia and community organizer. Not exactly the stuff a knowledge of economic systems is built upon.
Nice try, though. (Not really)
GT
February 14th, 2012
5:37 pm
Tib it has everything to do with his race and birth. This man has all the family values that Newt talks about and had a grandfather who fought with Patton in WII. When he wins this thing by the landslide. I am seeing him completely destroying the “Republican Party”not just the presidential candidate but the do nothing congress, which should be talking about a little leadership themselves. and the economy is back to what it was when we handed it over to the Republicans in the first place, you people will still hate him. By then you are in such a minority you can’t fill a good row boat.
MarkV
February 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
It’s the spending. It will always be the spending with this president.
One expects a lot of ridiculous statements about the President on this blog. One also expects that political journalists/commentators try to come up with some catching phrase to summarize their article.
Still, one could expect from somebody like Kyle to come up with something more intelligent than the following: “It’s the spending. It will always be the spending with this president.”
Are those two sentences supposed to have some meaning? “It will always be the spending with this president.” You mean, Kyle, that with a president of your choice, there would not be any spending?
gm
February 15th, 2012
8:17 am
Amazing when bush spent billions building up Iraq, the hypocrites on the left said nothing, but when this President tries to spend money on Americans to help this economy, the hypocrites takes shots at him.
Billlions were being spent from 2001- 2007 and the right was letting bush spend on these two wars at no end, now these hypocrites are now concern, how can anybody take these hypocrites serious?