Catching up on the past week: Charter schools, Santorum, birth control, Whitney
While I’ve been away, I (and y’all) missed a lot of opportunities to comment on a lot of topics. Here’s some quick making up for lost time:
CHARTER SCHOOLS AMENDMENT FAILS: Here’s hoping a second effort this week finds success. If not, the agents of the status quo — i.e., the educational establishment trying to protect its turf — may find the next option even less palatable than this one. I’ve been hearing for weeks now that one prominent Plan B involves setting up a state commission to review charter applications in tandem with local school boards; if a local board doesn’t follow that commission’s recommendation, the board could find itself receiving significantly less state education money. It would be wholly constitutional — the Legislature already attaches all sorts of strings to state money, and the final decision on an application on the charter would rest with the local board — and there are Democrats and Republicans alike pitching its merits. Only a simple majority (rather than a two-thirds majority for the amendment) would be necessary for passage. I consider it less attractive than the amendment. I’m guessing the amendment’s opponents will come to the same realization … if perhaps too late.
SANTORUM SWEEPS FEB. 7 CAUCUSES: I’m partial to anything that happens on Feb. 7, but I’m not sure Rick Santorum’s sweep of the caucuses in Colorado and Minnesota and the non-binding primary Missouri means a whole lot. Mitt Romney pulled a similar trick four years ago, and it didn’t blunt John McCain’s momentum. Those states’ delegates to the Republican National Convention this summer are not bound to follow the results of last week’s votes. Still, Romney has been a shaky front-runner throughout this race, as conservative voters have proven desperate for anyone else who’s viable. Santorum led the most recent major national poll of GOP voters; can he now prove that he’s a viable contender against President Obama? If not, Romney is still going to win the nomination.
BIRTH CONTROL MANDATE FLAP: American Catholic bishops were right to reject the “accommodation” offered by the Obama administration regarding the mandate for a broad range of religiously affiliated employers to pay for contraception, abortifacients and sterilization. Either the Obama administration doesn’t really understand how health insurance works — which would explain a lot — or it just doesn’t care. But forcing the insurers of these hospitals, colleges and other organizations to pick up the tab, rather than the organizations themselves, is a distinction without a difference. The insurer is going to make someone pay for that coverage via some type of new charge or increase in premiums. If it’s the employees themselves, they’re no better off. If not, it’s going to be the employers, which brings us back to square one. There’s no such thing as a free lunch, or a free Pill. Obama can’t get off the hook for a major constitutional infringement (remind me what subject he taught at the University of Chicago law school?) this easily.
WHITNEY HOUSTON, R.I.P.: Surprised to see me mention this one? While I’m not a real R&B or pop aficionado, I am a child of the 1980s and ’90s — and Whitney Houston contributed to the soundtrack of that era as much as Michael Jackson, Madonna, Guns N’ Roses, Nirvana or any other performer. (OK, maybe not Michael, at least not on a sustained basis.) If you grew up in those years, it was sad to see Houston — someone who once sang about “learning to love yourself” as the “Greatest Love of All” — spiral into such self-destructive living and destroy a voice that was a gift to so many people. We don’t yet have a cause of death for her. But the first thought I had, and which surely many people had, was that it must have been one of the things that spawned so many demons in her for too many of her 48 years. I’m afraid that says enough to make her a cautionary tale for the children of today. Teach them well, indeed.
– By Kyle Wingfield
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
163 comments Add your comment
DannyX
February 13th, 2012
12:54 pm
What if Obama called his birth control plan “charter insurance,” would that make it acceptable to conservatives?
thyra
February 13th, 2012
1:11 pm
If 28 states require companies have birth control on their insurance coverage, why all the flack now?
Sarah Coulter
February 13th, 2012
1:21 pm
I am shocked, too, that you mentioned Whitney Houston. Do they play her on C-Span or in-between Rush’s commentary, Kyle? :^)
Congratulations on being a new Dad.
As for the birth control, the Catholic Church really needs to change their stance on birth control. Does the rhythm method ever work?
Jefferson
February 13th, 2012
1:21 pm
When insurance is too high, then something can be accomplished.
DebbieDoRight
February 13th, 2012
1:21 pm
Charter Schools – If parents want “more choice” they have two choices:
(a) Move to a better school district or (b) Enroll their children in Private school.
If you want my tax dollars to be diverted to another “pet project” you’d better have a better reason than the ones that Charter School Parents have been giving.
Santorum – I hope like HECK he gets the nod. Matter of fact, I’d vote for him myself in the upcoming March 6 Primary. Go Rick Go!!!
Cathlic Church – Kyle said, “Obama can’t get off the hook for a major constitutional infringement (remind me what subject he taught at the University of Chicago law school?) this easily”.
Kyle this is a dead issue. It has died a death a dozen times over in more than a dozen attempts by the Catholic Church et al.’s pettitions to the Supreme Court. They’ve already been rejected. If the catholic church or ANY church for that matter want to bring it up again, tell them to forego their tax exempt status and start pay property taxes etc. on all that real estate they’re sitting on. Let’s see how quickly they change their tune then.
Whitney Houston — Nice words. Thanks for being respectful. Although at the present time we don’t know what killed her, we do know that she’s dead, and has left a daughter and family behind who mourns her more than any fan could. That’s all that maters.
Don't Tread
February 13th, 2012
1:27 pm
“Obama can’t get off the hook for a major constitutional infringement”
Obama commits a constitutional infringement almost daily. Seems it’s just a piece of paper written by some dead white men, and not at all relevant to the “needs” of today. And of course we have Sotomayor and Kagan (and a host of federal judges in lower courts) to rubber-stamp anything he does.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
1:42 pm
“Surprised to see me mention this one? ”
She was 100 times better than ANY pop star today.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
1:43 pm
“Obama can’t get off the hook for a major constitutional infringement (remind me what subject he taught at the University of Chicago law school?) this easily.”
He taught? I was under the impression that he spent all his time organizing something.
Peter
February 13th, 2012
1:48 pm
Whitney is an example of making it big and losing your personal identity.
Since when did getting messed up to the point of heavy drug use make a life better ?
I call it suicide.
Seems the education system needs to make some changes, teach about personal finance, teach about drugs use, and alcohol abuse.
Getting all messed up doesn’t solve a thing, but creates more heart ache for the personality, and all family and friends involved.
Catching up on the past week: Charter schools, Santorum, birth control, Whitney « Michael Jackson 1958 – 2009
February 13th, 2012
1:49 pm
[...] While, I (and y?all) missed a lot of opportunities to comment on a lot of topics. Here?s some quick … Written by admin in: Michael Joseph Jackson News | [...]
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 13th, 2012
1:55 pm
having children will make you have more of the truly human trait
of empathy, A trip to de golden islands mon will teach a fellow bulldawg
that we are all in this together, dontcha know.
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
1:56 pm
Kyle: “Obama can’t get off the hook for a major constitutional infringement.”
Kyle, are you now a constitutional scholar? If so, please explain how the proposed regulation infringes on the Constitution.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…
How does the regulation prohibit the free exercise of religion? Does it prohibit praying, serving mass, the building of churches? Does it force anybody to use birth control, undergo sterilization?
jconservative
February 13th, 2012
2:02 pm
“If 28 states require companies have birth control on their insurance coverage, why all the flack now?”
Because all 28 states had an opt out for the churches; either by self-insuring or by a clause in the federal ERISA statutes. The HHS mandate closes off both of these remedys.
And it is not just catholics, you might want to check out the Southern Baptist Convention website. Richard Land is calling for all to refuse to comply with the manfate.
See the “free exercise” clause of the 1st Amendment. Three cases are already in the pipeline with more to come.
jconservative
February 13th, 2012
2:13 pm
More from Richard Land:
“NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, February 8, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – One of the most influential evangelical leaders in the United States says Christians should go to jail rather than comply with the Obama administration’s mandate to provide all contraception, including abortion-inducing drugs, in their health care plans.
Dr. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC), told LifeSiteNews.com “we will not comply” with the Dept. of Health and Human Services’ mandate requiring religious institutions to cover abortifacient products such as Plan B, Ella, and the IUD.
“We want the law changed, or else we’re going to write our letters from the Nashville jail, just like Dr. King wrote his from the Birmingham jail,” Dr. Land said.”
Mad Max
February 13th, 2012
2:16 pm
Nacy P. must be happy now that we’ve passed and are starting to find out what is in it. Just wonderful, we pass a law with no real structure and then flush it out on the administrative level. HHS now determines who qualifies as a religious entity and determines what the law means. But the government hasn’t taken over according to our friends on the left. How in God’s name did birth control (in all of it’s forms) ever become a right? According to this line of thinking, vasectomy’s must be a right too! And we wonder why medical care costs so much.
john
February 13th, 2012
2:21 pm
Strange how conservatives are making a big issue over birth control. Many states, including GA, not only have the same mandate to cover contraception but goes further by having no exceptions….including for Churches.
Hillbilly D
February 13th, 2012
2:22 pm
How in God’s name did birth control (in all of it’s forms) ever become a right?
Good question. If people want birth control, that’s their business but don’t force somebody who doesn’t believe in it to pay for it.
john
February 13th, 2012
2:24 pm
Kyle,
Please explain what major constitutional infringement President Obama is committing. Can you cite Supreme Court judgments to support your claim?
Jefferson
February 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
Those folks don’t have the guts to go to jail.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
“Strange how conservatives are making a big issue over birth control. ”
Not just conservatives. See also: independents.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
2:29 pm
“Please explain what major constitutional infringement President Obama is committing.”
Um…..forcing a religious group to do something against their will/doctrine. I guess you don’t understand separation of church and state.
“Can you cite Supreme Court judgments to support your claim?”
See summer 2012 when the SC overturns Obozocare.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
2:31 pm
But the government hasn’t taken over according to our friends on the left.”
They also believe that 8.6% unemployment rate is a good thing.
This is Obama in a nutshell: The country has a 102 fever. Obama comes in and it goes up to 104. Three years later he/the left think it’s great that the fever came down to 103.
Make sense, left wingers?
jconservative
February 13th, 2012
2:36 pm
See No. 10–553. EEOC v. Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School
Decided January 11, 2012
The Court held 9-0 that the EEOC could not determine who a church hired and fired as its ministers.
The Lutheran Church and School had fired a teacher/minister. She sued through EEOC. EEOC ruled that the Church had to re-hire her as a teacher/minister. The court held otherwise on the 1st Amendment prohibition of “establishment” of a religion and the church’s right to “free exercise”
of its religion. Again, the vote was a unanimous 9-0.
If interested you can read the entire case at supremecourt.gov.
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
2:36 pm
“Um…..forcing a religious group to do something against their will/doctrine.”
Wonderful. All a church, any church, needs to do to avoid acting according to a law is to proclaim that it is against their will/doctrine, and presto, they are not subject to a law.
MiltonMan
February 13th, 2012
2:37 pm
“Strange how conservatives are making a big issue over birth control”
Hilarious that the libs do not even recognize that the Catholics are in their corner & are very, very far from being conservative. The Catholic clowns voted en masse for Obama in ‘08. Funny to see the religious wannabes complaining that their man is now turning on them.
john
February 13th, 2012
2:37 pm
Do what?????? @2:29pm
“Um…..forcing a religious group to do something against their will/doctrine. I guess you don’t understand separation of church and state.”
Read the 1st amendment and then get back to us.
I see you can cite a single Supreme Court case to back your claim…I can to support my case. Check out Reynolds v. United States dealing with polygamy.
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
2:39 pm
jconservative @2:36 pm
Perhaps you have not noticed that it was “Lutheran Church and School,” a religious institution. Those are still exempt under the proposed regulation.
DebbieDoRight
February 13th, 2012
2:39 pm
See the “free exercise” clause of the 1st Amendment. Three cases are already in the pipeline with more to come
That clause has nothing to do with the separation of church & state. If you want to pull a precedence pull this one:
Lemon v. Kurtzman, 91 S. Ct. 2105 (1971)
Established the three part test for determining if an action of government violates First Amendment’s separation of church and state:
1) the government action must have a secular purpose;
2) its primary purpose must not be to inhibit or to advance religion;
3) there must be no excessive entanglement between government and religion.
DebbieDoRight
February 13th, 2012
2:46 pm
See No. 10–553. EEOC v. Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School
Dude — you must’ve had to limber up before you reached for that one.
Skip
February 13th, 2012
2:53 pm
87% of Catholic women use contraceptives, who do you think they side with?
jconservative
February 13th, 2012
2:55 pm
The terms “conservative” and “liberal” are thrown around without much thought.
Politically the Catholic Church is not conservative. Politically the Catholic Church is not liberal.
Note the following from the bishops website:
Bishops Renew Call to Legislative Action on Religious Liberty
Bishops Urge Congress To Protect The Life And Dignity Of Jobless And Working Poor
Catholic Bishops Denounce As ‘Grave Injustice’ Appeals Court Ruling Striking Down California Marriage Law
Bishops Hail Court Decision Upholding Religious Liberty (Lutheran Church case)
Bishops Welcome New Mercury and Air Toxics Standards to Protect Human Life and God’s Creation
Bishops Urge Unemployment Insurance and Compensation In The Face Of ‘Pervasive Economic Pain’
Both Republican and Democratic measures are supported by the Catholic Church. The Church is apolitical. All positions are a reflection of the mission of the Church. And to my knowledge this is true of all the US churches.
Filter
February 13th, 2012
2:56 pm
Richard Land is the spokesman for a bunch of windbags that lord over the denomination I grew up in and was ordained a minister in a few years back. But then all of the silliness came up about boycotting Disney over Gay Day and all sorts of other nonsense and I packed my things and headed over to the Vineyard rather than continue to expose myself to the diversions from the very real issues facing the church and the mission field.
You need a better example if you want people to take you seriously.
I remember when...
February 13th, 2012
3:00 pm
The Catholic clowns
Milton Man, you have absolutely no credibility when you sling gratuitous and ugly insults. What is the matter with you? First, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m Catholic, and I know plenty of Catholics who voted for McCain. Second, are you upset because some Catholics may have voted differently than you? Lots of people did, Champ, enought to make President Obama the President. And seriously, “clowns”, “religious wannabees”…what’s wrong with you?
DebbieDoRight
February 13th, 2012
3:06 pm
The separation clause has nothing to do with it. The clause was put in place so that:
(a) We wouldn’t be forced to live in a theocracy (I know that hurts some of you)
(b) The government can’t force you to change your religion to the one that the ruling party is a member of. eg: When Henry VIII threw out the bishops of the catholic church, set up the church of england, and proclaimed that everyone in the land were now part of the church of england whether they wanted to be or not.
(c) The church can not force the government to adhere to its polcies.
Sarah Coulter
February 13th, 2012
3:11 pm
Obama commits a constitutional infringement almost daily. Seems it’s just a piece of paper written by some dead white men, and not at all relevant to the “needs” of today. And of course we have Sotomayor and Kagan (and a host of federal judges in lower courts) to rubber-stamp anything he does…
*******************************************************************************
And who said that about the constitution first:
“I don’t give a goddam*ed. I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way. …
Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It’s just a goddam*ed piece of paper!”
You gotta love George W. Bush!
Dusty
February 13th, 2012
3:14 pm
Good to have you back, Kyle. We missed you.
You threw some “fat on the fire” I see.
Well, I’m for better schools whatever it takes.
————
ObamaCare is not a good thing for anybody including Catholics. Poor people already have many advantages for health care. . Preventive care or birth control or what you eat should be one’s own perogative unless someone is without mind or money. When did dependency like a parasite become a the ideal life style ?
——————-
Santorum? Who? He aint the man! History will give him one line if any.
——————
Republicans are having such a good time picking a winner. Poor Democrats! Stuck with a loser…
jconservative
February 13th, 2012
3:15 pm
DebbieDoRight February 13th, 2012 2:46 pm
The facts of this case have nothing to do with the current dispute of abortion insurance funding. I listed the case to show that the Court does not always split into automatic Conservative and Liberal sides as most people believe. In short, Sotomayor and Kagan were incorrectly called Obama “rubber stamps” by a previous comment.
The three cases in the pipeline are by the law firm The Becket Fund. They were the law firm that won the Lutheran Church case.
The cases in the pipeline are:
EWTN v. Sebelius (Department of Health and Human Services) (2012-current)
Colorado Christian University v. Sebelius (Department of Health and Human Services) (2011-current)
Belmont Abbey College v. Sebelius (Department of Health and Human Services) (2011-current)
They have another case, Stormans v. Selecky, Washington (2010 – current), dealing with whether pharmacist have a religious right not to “dispense Plan B emergency contraception because they believe that life begins at the moment of fertilization, and that Plan B can destroy a fertilized egg.”
The case was argued 2/1/2012 and a decision from the Court should come down any day.
Stay tuned.
Mary Elizabeth
February 13th, 2012
3:15 pm
Plan B: “. . .if a local board doesn’t follow that commission’s recommendation, the board could find itself receiving significantly less state education money.”
===============================================================
I hope that I am not the only citizen who sees a “bully tactic” at work in Plan B, which would continue to insist upon some form of State Commission for charter schools review. I do not see this issue as a conflict between “the educational establishment trying to protect its turf” vs. innovative ideas in education, offered mainly through public charter schools.
I see this issue as a conflict between sustaining public education, itself, which serves the “common good” of all citizens through taxes levied on all citizens vs. having special interests educate select children through establishing “public” charter schools, which are often operated by private enterprise.
As a taxpayer, I have no objection to paying my property taxes to serve the common interests of society through public schools (even though I have no child in school), but I do object to having my tax money used toward backing so-called “public” charter schools, that are now (or will be in the future) operated by private enterprise, which has its own special interests to safeguard. (See link below.) However, I have no objection to charter schools which are established by local Boards of Education. These charter schools would work in harmony with local Boards of Education, both instructionally and financially. They would not be based on a private business ideological model, as I believe a State Commission for Charter Schools would be, in Georgia, especially at this time.
I must state, again, that Thomas Jefferson was a proponent of public schools, paid for by taxes on all citizens. This issue involves more than “the educational establishment trying to protect its turf” but is, instead, an assault on public education, itself, as so well-stated last week by Herb Garrett, spokesman for the Superintendents of Schools of Georgia, on GPB-TV’s “The Lawmakers.” We must improve public education; we must not dismantle it.
——————————————————————————————————-
Be more informed about private enterprise’s interest in the charter school movement by reading the information in the following link, in full, which I found last week by googling “private business interests/charter schools.” Please do not be put off by the title, and instead read for the facts and illustrations included, within.
http://www.isreview.org/issues/62/feat-charterschools.shtml
———————————————————————————————————–
Whatever
February 13th, 2012
3:15 pm
I’m a conservative and I say no to he charter amendment. I have a locally elected board to oversee my tax money. I don’t need a far away appointed commission! I can’t vote out the commission. That’s called taxation without representation!
Feds out of state business and the state ou of local business.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
3:16 pm
“All a church, any church, needs to do to avoid acting according to a law is to proclaim that it is against their will/doctrine, and presto, they are not subject to a law.”
Obama’s church does.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
3:17 pm
“I see you can cite a single Supreme Court case to back your claim…I can to support my case. Check out Reynolds v. United States dealing with polygamy.”
Guess that answers the gay marriage question.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
February 13th, 2012
3:21 pm
“having children will make you have more of the truly human trait of empathy”
It will more likely lower your tolerance for people who want to tax you to death and take money from said family.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
3:23 pm
“87% of Catholic women use contraceptives, who do you think they side with?
So you’ve personally seen 87% of all Catholic women take birth control?
Dusty
February 13th, 2012
3:24 pm
Sarah Coulter, 3:11
Still depending on George W. Bush to make a point I see. You miss him, don’t you?
No wonder. There is a void in Washington now that Democrats keep trying to fill with trillion after trillion of $$$$$$.
Nothing cheap about our president. He wants the best in bankruptcy for us.
Real American
February 13th, 2012
3:25 pm
The Catholic Church disagrees with itself. They don’t think indirect employees (which is what the hospitals and college/university employees are) are their responsibility.
************
In court papers, the Milwaukee archdiocese is arguing in three test cases that the claims should be tossed out either because the abuse or church cover-up occurred too long ago, involved perpetrators such as a choir director who were not direct employees of the church, or involve victims who had already obtained settlements.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/usa-church-abuse-bankruptcy-idUSL2E8D7DQ320120208
So now how can they claim the ‘Catholic Church’ would be paying for the contraception for employees whose paychecks are not coming from the account of the Catholic Church – nor the employers premium payments – but then turn around and say this same Catholic Church is not responsible for a choir director working directly in the church and molesting juvenile parishoners?
Kyle Wingfield
February 13th, 2012
3:33 pm
Sarah: Seriously? You’re comparing Obama’s public action(s) to an anonymous quote that’s since been retracted by its publisher?
Linda
February 13th, 2012
3:34 pm
Rather than Obamacare, if it was Obamadrunk & Obama was requiring all religious employers to provide free hard liquor to their employees, citing the right to get drunk, liberals would still support it. If Obama required liquor stores to provide it for free to employees of religious institutions, liberals would still not see a problem. They would still be citing polls to prove how many people drink & requesting Supreme Court cases to prove why it might be a wee bit unconstitutional.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
3:35 pm
Dusty
Sarah is not the sharpest tool in the shed. I wouldn’t get worked up over her dimwitted remarks.
md
February 13th, 2012
3:39 pm
“having children will make you have more of the truly human trait of empathy”
And allow one to understand that enabling is the disease…..not the cure.
Kyle Wingfield
February 13th, 2012
3:41 pm
Whatever @ 3:15: The state isn’t dealing with local tax money, either in the case of the charter school amendment or of the Plan B mentioned in the OP. Btw, statewide, more tax dollars for education come from state revenues (about 48 percent) than from local revenues (about 41 percent — the balance comes from the feds). It varies widely by individual district.
Kyle Wingfield
February 13th, 2012
3:42 pm
Btw, the only time you appear to be “conservative” on this site is when you go by “Whatever” and happen to be opposing a mainstream conservative position. Hmm.
Real American
February 13th, 2012
3:46 pm
Yet, all of these people hollering about religious freedoms would not be so kind if a parent that believed modern medicine to be an affront to their beliefs, withheld modern medical intervention for their dying child.
Wouldn’t that be an infringement upon their beliefs?
By the way Kyle, know any employees at any of the Catholic universities? Are they direct employees of the Catholic Church? Are they actually being paid by The Catholic Church? And exactly what other healthcare measures can be “exempted’ for religious reasons? Vasectomies? Erectile Dysfunction medicines? How about insulin? Hypertension medication?
Kyle Wingfield
February 13th, 2012
3:46 pm
MarkV @ 2:36: This is hardly a novel stance by a start-up church. As demonstrated by the fact the administration consulted with the bishops before setting the policy. Try again.
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
3:50 pm
Kyle Wingfield @ 3:46 pm
Kyle, you are confusing political aspects with constitutionality. It was you who claimed that the new regulation was a “major constitutional infringement,” but have failed to substantiate it. Whether it is a new stance of the bishops or not is irrelevant. Try again.
Linda
February 13th, 2012
3:52 pm
Real@3:46, Children OBTAIN diseases, but HAVING children isn’t a disease.
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
3:53 pm
It is ridiculous to argue that preventive care, which birth control is an important part for women, should not be coveredb by health insurance. As a matter of fact, it is what lowers the health care costs and thus also the insurance premiums.
TRUTH
February 13th, 2012
3:58 pm
Kyle, trying to read betwixt the lines…did you and Ms. Kyle have a baby??!! Congrats!!
The contraceptive issue within the church is bananas. I’m not Catholic, so I don’t have a dog in that fight, but of the Catholics I know, most prefer the contraceptives be offered. Ask a Catholic.
Charter schools are good in strong suburban communities. What about the kids in the inner city? That is where our efforts need to be centered. Or will they only get their “chance” at life by being a janitor?
Kyle, I agree with your statement that Whitney was a part of the soundtrack for the 80’s and a little in the 90’s. Her voice had checked out years ago. But it was always hope that she could come back and maybe be more of a grand diva. Although she became a conversation in her later days, she was still a mother and a someone’s relative, and a part of Americana. Kind words from you, Kyle.
pat
February 13th, 2012
4:00 pm
The constitutionality question on BC, strilization and abortion is a huge problem as it is a law that mandates an action that is contrary to the teachings of said organization or church. First, laws don’t typically mandate an action, they suppress. Second, it doesn’t matter whether you agree with it or not, the government cannot make an institution pay for something it stands agianst.
Kyle is correct in that that the obama administration doesn’t know how insurance works, further, it’s clearly evident that he doesn’t even know how his own idiotic healthcare law works. If he did, he wouldn’t be surprised by it.
There is a reason most of this horrible law is going into effect after the election, because people are going to hate it.
Jefferson
February 13th, 2012
4:02 pm
Let the state and federal tax dollars pay for public education with income taxes. Local dollars for fire, cops and services. Local school taxes are the worse. No accountablilty.
Private schools for the well heeled.
pat
February 13th, 2012
4:02 pm
I say we make PETA pay a stipend to the NRA. They do their part in animal control.
Real American
February 13th, 2012
4:04 pm
Linda, where did I post having children is a disease?
carlosgvv
February 13th, 2012
4:08 pm
Even though Santorum has extreme views on abortion, birth control, gays and out Military, you would still favor him over Obama, right Kyle?
Linda
February 13th, 2012
4:14 pm
Real@4:04, You compared medical intervention for a dying child to contraception & abortion to prevent children from being born. Pregnancy is not an illness.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
4:15 pm
“Even though Santorum has extreme views on abortion, birth control, gays and out Military, you would still favor him over Obama, right Kyle?
What extreme views? Geez, I’d favor a table cloth over Obama.
Sarah Coulter
February 13th, 2012
4:23 pm
Yes, I did, Kyle. And Bush’s actions showed his disregard for the constitution, too. But that is neither here nor there.
Btu I do remember your columns never once calling out your fellow conservatives in GA or across the nation.
It is the Conservative-Republican way.
Sarah Coulter
February 13th, 2012
4:24 pm
As for tools, we all know who the biggest tool is on this blog.
Don't Tread
February 13th, 2012
4:29 pm
I suppose if you’re not a socialist, your views are “extreme”, according to carlos.
“Bush’s actions showed his disregard for the constitution, too.” I’m sure he called for the burning of the Constitution on the steps of the White House.
DebbieDoRight
February 13th, 2012
4:35 pm
jcon: The facts of this case have nothing to do with the current dispute of abortion insurance funding. I listed the case to show that the Court does not always split into automatic Conservative and Liberal sides as most people believe. In short, Sotomayor and Kagan were incorrectly called Obama “rubber stamps” by a previous comment.
So, what you’re basically saying is you just picked something out of the air, or off the internet, that had the words “religion” and “Supreme Court Deicison” in them without knowing what the heck you were talking about correct?
carlosgvv
February 13th, 2012
4:36 pm
Do What????? – Don’t Tread
There are moderate conservatives and extreme right-wing fanatic conservatives. It’s pretty clear which category you’re in.
Cutty
February 13th, 2012
4:38 pm
Imagine that. ‘Constitutional Conservatives’ in favor of small government principles until they arent. Yet another layer of government bureaucracy that republicans love to hate. What happened to local control and all the other empty slogans the GOP likes to spout when bashing a republican?
This is nothing more than an attempt to use public funds to pay for Becky or Joshua’s private school education.
DebbieDoRight
February 13th, 2012
4:42 pm
The constitutionality question on BC, strilization and abortion is a huge problem as it is a law that mandates an action that is contrary to the teachings of said organization or church.
So what you’re saying is that a Mormon who believes in Polygamy has the right to practice that polygamy regardless of what the governmetn says; is that correct?
First, laws don’t typically mandate an action, they suppress.
Obviously you know nothing of what you’re talking about – case in point a law requiring you to have driver’s licenses is not a suppressive law.
Second, it doesn’t matter whether you agree with it or not, the government cannot make an institution pay for something it stands agianst.
Really? Ever hear of income tax? Property Tax? Estate TAx? How about capital gains Tax?
If an entity, like a church, receives state/federal dollars, like the catholic church does for certain programs/thigns, AND does not have to pay any taxes (real estate, etc.) — IMO they can either drop their tax exempt status, STOP taking matching funds from the government, OR comply with government mandates.
Their choice.
Michael H. Smith
February 13th, 2012
4:48 pm
Santorum “viable”, Kyle?
Perhaps to the extreme religious right this guy is viable on certain social issues, otherwise conservatives best take a much deeper longer look at what this guy has for a track record and it isn’t very good or all that conservative (lobbyist, earmarks and unions to his credit).
He will definitely lose the independent vote from the get go, particularly he will lose the independent women voters who will find his hard-line anti-contraception and “his absolute anti-abortion under any circumstances positions” down right offense. Again you cannot forfeit the women voters to your opponents and expect to win any elections, which hard line religious absolute anti- contraception and anti-abortionist zealots will do.
This guy isn’t for small government, he is big government fellow. He is anti-TEA Party and he is completely ignorant in his knowledge of Libertarians, as he thinks they are all anarchist that advocate for NO GOVERNMENT, which as most of us know is nothing short of an absolute lie. Both the TEA Party and the Libertarians advocate for a limited government(in size and scope).
Santorum gives the impression that he has no understanding of Federalism, what it means and why it is important. He seems to ignore the fact that States have superior rights that empowers them to create things like healthcare programs, if they so choose. Whereas, the limited Federal Government does not have that Constitutional right Et al ObamaCare and the federalist papers #41&45.
He has a long way to go before I’d call him “vaible”, Kyle.
Perhaps “risky” would be apropos?
Linda
February 13th, 2012
4:48 pm
Birth control pills cost $9 per month. Anyone who thinks the issue is about contraception or about women’s right is not FOLLOWING THE MONEY.
Obama has been in favor of reducing the amount of money we donate to charities since he swore to uphold the Constitution, twice. His jobs bill last fall was estimated to take away about $7 B from charities, money he wishes would instead be diverted to the fed. govt., America’s new savior. This is not the American way, to say the least.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903703604576587163651720594.html
Requiring religious institutions to violate their religious beliefs could result in the closing of religious hospitals, schools & universities &/or cause their moral decline.
Obama’s war on charities & war on religion have the same purpose. Progressives try to break up all institutions of civil society, those that mediate between the individual & the fed. govt.
Don't Tread
February 13th, 2012
4:50 pm
Oh noes!
The mind of Mensa has now classified non-socialists as “extreme right-wing fanatics”. (I wonder what it will be tomorrow.) I guess I have proper authorization to get that official “right-wing fanatic” t-shirt now. Anybody know the official handshake?
Who's there?
February 13th, 2012
4:52 pm
Linda
February 13th, 2012
4:48 pm
Birth control pills cost $9 per month. Anyone who thinks the issue is about contraception or about women’s right is not FOLLOWING THE MONEY.
Obama has been in favor of reducing the amount of money we donate to charities since he swore to uphold the Constitution, twice. His jobs bill last fall was estimated to take away about $7 B from charities, money he wishes would instead be diverted to the fed. govt., America’s new savior. This is not the American way, to say the least.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903703604576587163651720594.html
Requiring religious institutions to violate their religious beliefs could result in the closing of religious hospitals, schools & universities &/or cause their moral decline.
Obama’s war on charities & war on religion have the same purpose. Progressives try to break up all institutions of civil society, those that mediate between the individual & the fed. govt.
Paranoid much, Linda?
Real American
February 13th, 2012
4:55 pm
Linda…so you don’t want employers to pay for the medical costs during pregnancy either right? Since you are claiming pregnancy is not an illness and apparently only an “illness” should be covered based on your comments.
And why are you equating Notre Dame and Villanova University with a church? The purpose of that college is not to spread the word or beliefs of Catholicism and no employees there are being paid by the Catholic Church either.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
4:55 pm
“the Catholic Church really needs to change their stance on birth control.”
———
If you’re opposed to the basic principles of the Catholic Church, perhaps you should find a less demanding denomination.
Real American
February 13th, 2012
4:58 pm
The Catholic Health Association has no problem with employees who want birth control, getting it through a health insurance rider…only the bishops..the same bishops convening in Rome to discuss how to tamper down these new sex abuse charges…..priceless.
Dusty
February 13th, 2012
4:59 pm
Well, seems we need a practical review of certain terms.
Preventive healthcare means “taking care of yourself”. It is not paying someone to tell you how to act like you’ve got good sense. “Good sense”!! That’s the clue!
Birth control means stopping at the drug store, just saying NO, or other obvious “methods” which are very inexpensive. Those without the mental means need someone (government, insurance, Planned Peranthood) to tell them how to control their lives.
It is a wonder that some people know how to breathe. And they do it without help! Wow!
Real American
February 13th, 2012
5:02 pm
Dusty, preventitve healthcare is also physicals…so you don’t think health insurance should include physicals either huh? mmmkay.
yuzeyurbrane
February 13th, 2012
5:03 pm
Let’s face it Kyle, your real goal is to destroy the present public education system and to replace it with public funding for private schools. Admit it and have an honest conversation.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
5:07 pm
The Catholic church in the US is pretty closely aligned with the Democrat party. That probably explains their little man-boy-love predilections.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
5:08 pm
“Let’s face it Kyle, your real goal is to destroy the present public education system and to replace it with public funding for private schools.”
Yeah, that’s it.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
5:08 pm
“The Catholic church in the US is pretty closely aligned with the Democrat party.
Can’t argue with that. It’s pretty accurate.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
5:09 pm
If you need the Catholic church to pay for your $0.50 condoms or $600-a-year prescription, you’re a pathetic loser.
Richard
February 13th, 2012
5:10 pm
Dusty,
“Those without the mental means need someone (government, insurance, Planned Peranthood) to tell them how to control their lives.”
And I guess the other people need Rick Santorum to do it.
Michael H. Smith
February 13th, 2012
5:10 pm
If you took every person and religiuos institution that had religious or moral convictions that would prohibit them from paying for (non-aborting)contraception, with just the remaining number of people and institution that had no such religious or moral prohibitions left to pay the costs, would it prevent women from receiving contraception(precluding abortions or abortion pills)?
I doubt it.
Linda
February 13th, 2012
5:13 pm
Who@4:52, Thank you for repeating my entire comment @4:48 to emphasize it.
Do you have a better explanation why Obama would alienate millions of people who voted for him & ALL religious people over mainly coverage for a drug that cost about a half-hour or quarter-hour of pay per month for women who have jobs?
Much common sense?
Dusty
February 13th, 2012
5:15 pm
Dear DebbieDoLittle,
How ya doing ? Nice to see that you will give lotsa free legal advice here. Maybe I’ll see you on TV hitting a baseball like that that guy from a law firm. Or was it insurance? Anyway, what’s the difference? I hope you don’t go broke giving it all free.
Strange as it may seem to some, Catholics are American citizens just like most everybody else.. I believe they have all the religious rights that anybody else has. You know. All that freedom of religion, etc. etc.awarded by the constitution.
I bet you will fight for those rights just like every good American lawyer. Yes, mam. and how’s Dudley? Enjoying home cooked meals once more?.
Ivy parent
February 13th, 2012
5:16 pm
I missed you, Kyle.
Dusty
February 13th, 2012
5:24 pm
Real American.
My church is offering free health screenings next week. Check it out. Your drug store will take your BP for you. If you weigh 300 pounds, I can tell you that you are eating too much and that fried fatback is tasty but WRONG!!.
See there. You really don’t need a nanny for most of your life unless you never grew up in many ways. Of course, it does take a minimal amount of good sense. Sorry!
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
5:25 pm
“Nice to see that you will give lotsa free legal advice here. ”
I may have just seen her driving after an ambulance.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
February 13th, 2012
5:25 pm
If America were Whitney Houston then that would make obozo be Bobby Brown.
Snort, snort US of A.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
5:25 pm
Did any of you crazy nutjob left wingers even realize that condoms are given away at free health clinics?
Bueller….Bueller……
Michael H. Smith
February 13th, 2012
5:27 pm
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
5:27 pm
“If an entity, like a church, receives state/federal dollars, like the catholic church does for certain programs/thigns, AND does not have to pay any taxes (real estate, etc.) — IMO they can either drop their tax exempt status, STOP taking matching funds from the government, OR comply with government mandates.”
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Debbie, get back to work and stop pretending you’re a lawyer.
Will
February 13th, 2012
5:28 pm
The Looney left on Obama’s lead characterized Obamas overreach on abortion and contraception as preventing access to birth control. It was a political decison by the Obama adminstration to placate its Abortion advocates. Obama has served notice that under his theory of government there is nothing that the government cannot require private citizens to do or to buy if it suits the government.
luangtom
February 13th, 2012
5:30 pm
Why are most people discounting Santorum? Did anyone actually know of Barack Hussein Obama before he got the nomination? Really, less than two years as the Senator from Chicago, before that a community-organizer and now he is President of the United States. And, no one from his past in college or high school has come forward to say they were classmates. We did not and do not know the man in the White House. No, Santorum is not unfathomable…………
Kyle Wingfield
February 13th, 2012
5:30 pm
Sarah @ 4:23: You obviously haven’t read many of my columns.
Michael H. Smith
February 13th, 2012
5:30 pm
Hey whine, this question/joke is from Boortz: Know how you house break an obama-dog?
Answer: Lay a copy of the Constitution on the floor.
Linda
February 13th, 2012
5:31 pm
Real@4:52, Health care is already a law.
Health care & health care insurance are 2 different things.
Health care insurance is a privilege, not a right, but anyone can buy insurance.
Employers have never been required to buy health insurance.
Employees at companies with more than 50 employees have no more rights to employer-provided health care insurance than employees at companies with less than 50 employees.
Employees have no more rights to employer-provided health care insurance than people who are not employees, that is, independent contractors, etc. (Where’s their coverage?)
IF employers want to offer health care benefits, the employers should have the right to decide on the scope of the plan & who pays for percentages & the employees should have the right to decide on any additional coverage.
Catholic & other religious universities, hospitals & schools are just as much a part of the mission of the religion as their churches & places of worship. Stewardship & outreach are being punished under Obama. (And you thought it was about football?) (Why did the Methodists start Emory?)
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
5:32 pm
Colonoscopy, mammograms, immunization, contraception – just a few of many preventive care activities. Who wants to draw a line, and force it on everybody else?
Kyle Wingfield
February 13th, 2012
5:33 pm
yuzeyurbrane @ 5:03: Let’s face it yuze, you’re incapable of accepting an argument without leaping to an extreme position not advocated by the person making the argument.
Kyle Wingfield
February 13th, 2012
5:37 pm
Debbie @ 4:42: Actually, it’s not their choice. The mandate is not a condition of receiving federal dollars, but rather a condition of employing a certain number of people in this country. So, they don’t have the choice of continuing to do their work without federal dollars and thereby avoiding the mandate.
Dusty
February 13th, 2012
5:40 pm
Richard,
Santorum wants to be your president not your doctor.
We’ve already tried the doctor “bit” with the malpractice of “SawBones” Obama. The “patients” are about to die from such care.
I am ready to revoke his “license” for the health of this country. But. then again, I like to take care of myself. Independence! It is lovely!!
Linda
February 13th, 2012
5:44 pm
Colonoscopies, mammograms & immunizations prevent diseases.
Contraception & abortion prevent children, as does abstention.
The Catholic religion condemns contraception & abortion, & religion is protected under the 1st amendment. It Catholic employees want to pay $9 per month, they are FREE & have every right to do so.
Michael H. Smith
February 13th, 2012
5:51 pm
Independence is a wonderful thing when you can afford it Dusty. Most of us who can’t afford it individually will have to depend on co-opting our health care and insurance coverage needs as a group.
Unfortunately in this State the people who should be taking the right steps to make this co-opting of individuals as in a group a reality,just aren’t representing the interests of those who are not independently wealthy.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
February 13th, 2012
5:52 pm
Some day America will be found kaput in the bathtub, with bottles of birth control pills, food stamps and welfare checks throwed all around.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 13th, 2012
5:53 pm
The bishops of the Catholic Church will not give up their attempt to control the vaginas and uteri of their female adherents, even if they are no use to the bishops.
One wonders if the bishops’ little blue pill prescriptions are paid for so they can continue their ministering to America’s youth. I’m sure that Benedict XVI would be in favor.
Liberals eat their children
February 13th, 2012
5:54 pm
Democrats
February 13th, 2012
5:28 pm
Obama had homosexual affairs with many different men while married to Michelle Obama. Barrack Obama and his former chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are both lifetime members of a all Gay Mens Club and Bath House in Chicago called “Mans Country”
Here’s a list of some of the Gay men Obama had affairs with.:
1. Larry Sinclair
2. Donald Young
3. Bill Frist
4. Reggie Love
5. Gov.Deval Patrick
6. Arther Davis
7. Rahm Emanuel
Democrats
February 13th, 2012
5:28 pm
Obama had homosexual affairs with many different men while married to Michelle Obama. Barrack Obama and his former chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are both lifetime members of a all Gay Mens Club and Bath House in Chicago called “Mans Country”
Here’s a list of some of the Gay men Obama had affairs with.:
1. Larry Sinclair
2. Donald Young
3. Bill Frist
4. Reggie Love
5. Gov.Deval Patrick
6. Arther Davis
7. Rahm Emanuel
Democrats
February 13th, 2012
5:28 pm
Obama had homosexual affairs with many different men while married to Michelle Obama. Barrack Obama and his former chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are both lifetime members of a all Gay Mens Club and Bath House in Chicago called “Mans Country”
Here’s a list of some of the Gay men Obama had affairs with.:
1. Larry Sinclair
2. Donald Young
3. Bill Frist
4. Reggie Love
5. Gov.Deval Patrick
6. Arther Davis
7. Rahm Emanuel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Of1eroIgs&feature=related
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 13th, 2012
5:54 pm
Now now, Curly. Whitney made more $$ in a minute than you do in a month.
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
5:55 pm
Contraception prevents unwanted pregnancies and medical and societal problems associated with them, and reduces health care costs. The percentage of women using contraception shows that we have gone far beyond the medieval (and catholic) opinion regarding sex.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
6:00 pm
GodHatesTrash, Superstar: One wonders if the bishops’ little blue pill prescriptions are paid for so they can continue their ministering to America’s youth.
——————-
Is that what they do when they’re not supporting Obozo’s health care power grab?
Obozocare: Perverted.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
6:00 pm
Whitney made more $$ in a minute than you do in a month.
—————-
Hope she enjoyed it.
Alf Vader
February 13th, 2012
6:04 pm
Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. . . Just because you were hired to replace that hack Jim Wooten doesn’t mean you should lapse into his schizophrenic “Weekend Free-for-all” column style. Pick a topic and write about it.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
6:06 pm
Obozo’s chief of staff doesn’t know how many votes it takes in the Senate to pass budget bills.
Funny we haven’t heard about this in the news.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/feb/13/jack-lew/white-house-chief-staff-jack-lew-says-budget-requi/
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 13th, 2012
6:06 pm
In many countries in the world, Catholic women are amongst the most ignorant of the populace.
Here in the USA (thanks in some measure to the the fact that most dim-bulb women here are evangelical Protestants), it is just the opposite. The vast majority of Catholic women are decently educated and smart enough not to pay attention to the bleating of a bunch of old men in burkas about birth control.
I wish the priests would put as much energy into making sure that kids aren’t molested as they do with this medieval misogynist silliness about condemning birth control.
Dusty
February 13th, 2012
6:08 pm
GodHatesTrash,Superstar 5:53
————-
More trash!
I hate it when the bigots show up.
Ruins the party.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 13th, 2012
6:13 pm
Hmmm – it figures that ol’ Dr. Bill Frist is gayer than Elton John’s chihuahua…
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 13th, 2012
6:17 pm
Dusty, I’m glad you’re here, sweetie. Reading the posts by Kyle’s Kavalcade of Krazy Konservative Kretins is like watching holy rollers play with snakes – the stupid never stops!
Old timer
February 13th, 2012
6:19 pm
I paid for my own “preventative care” and my children’s also. Since when did all this become a “right”.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
6:21 pm
Oh goody, the AJC race troll showed up just in time to vomit all over Kyle’s blog. Yippee!!!!!!!
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
6:22 pm
Old timer @6:19 pm
You think people have no right to have insurance that pays for preventive care?
Liberals eat their children
February 13th, 2012
6:22 pm
Obama is spending this Country into bankruptcy and it is part of his agenda to transform American. Obama is a muslim communist just like his African father.
Linda
February 13th, 2012
6:23 pm
The percentage of women using contraceptives shows that contraceptives are both free & so cheap that women can afford to pay for them out of their own pockets.
There is nothing Medieval about religion. The US came about as a result of religious freedom & here we are, over 200 yrs. later, still fighting & dying for our religious freedom, except this time, it’s from our own govt.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
February 13th, 2012
6:23 pm
According to Charol Shakeshaft, the researcher of a little-remembered 2004 study prepared for the U.S. Department of Education, “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”
So what class do you teach, trashman?
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
6:23 pm
“Reading the posts by Kyle’s Kavalcade of Krazy Konservative Kretins”
Everyone’s IQ drops an average of 10 points just by reading Trash’s filth.
Kyle Wingfield
February 13th, 2012
6:23 pm
Old timer @ 6:19: Bingo. There’s a reason it’s called a “benefit”: It’s part of the compensation offered by the employer to secure a good and loyal work force, not a “right” to which the employees are entitled.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
6:24 pm
“So what class do you teach, trashman?”
I doubt Trash has ever set foot inside a classroom.
Old timer
February 13th, 2012
6:24 pm
I do not mean to sound mean. My insurance has a deductible. Once I meet that they begin to pay for things. I look for the least expensive place to purchase prescriptions. I compare costs as much as I can. I do know unwanted pregnancies are a terrible problem. Birth control can be found very cheaply. Health clinic s are in every county.
Old timer
February 13th, 2012
6:25 pm
And I do believe it is not a right..I pay Molly for my care and also pay for one of my two adult daughters who cannot afford it.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
6:26 pm
“I do not mean to sound mean.”
Never apologize for anything when it comes to schooling left wingers on common sense.
Do what??????
February 13th, 2012
6:27 pm
“it figures that ol’ Dr. Bill Frist is gayer than Elton John’s chihuahua…
BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE!!!!!!!
“Kyle’s Kavalcade of Krazy Konservative Kretins”
If ever there were a pathetic little hypocrite, Trash is it.
Old timer
February 13th, 2012
6:27 pm
Thanks Kyle…..best wishes with the new baby…..
Linda
February 13th, 2012
6:28 pm
If someone is self-employed, does he or she have a right to insurance that pays for preventative care? Sure! As long as he or she pays for it.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
6:28 pm
MarkV: You think people have no right to have insurance that pays for preventive care?
———————–
Correct.
Only Obamaggots believe such tripe.
If you want preventive care, purchase and pay for a policy that provides it, or go and get some and pay for it. Don’t pass laws that require some other person to pay your expenses. That’s what parasites do.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
6:33 pm
By the way, academic and government studies have demonstrated that preventive care isn’t cost effective.
Don’t fear facts.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 13th, 2012
6:34 pm
Now now, little Linda – such hyperbole! Fighting and dying? Oh pleeze! Whinin’ and cryin’, that’s all we ever get from you.
Now run along.
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
6:34 pm
Kyle Wingfield @6:23 pm
Kyle, according to what you have written, there should be no rules about what the employers health insurance plans should contain. No requirement regarding pre-existing conditions, about paying for mammograms, immunization, whatever. It is all up to the employer, and if you do not like it, find another employer. Right?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
6:37 pm
It is all up to the employer, and if you do not like it, find another employer. Right?
————————–
That’s why conservatives propose de-linking health insurance and employment. So that people are free to choose whatever policy makes sense for them.
Hey MarkV, remember when Democrats were for choice?
Hypocrite.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 13th, 2012
6:38 pm
Golly – it seems that thanks to me all of Kyle’s Kavalcade have got their panties in a wad – look at all the whinin’ and poutin’ and moanin’! A bunch of babies crying their eyes out.
Poor things!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
6:48 pm
I think I heard a mosquito buzzing around…anyone else hear it?
saywhat?
February 13th, 2012
7:00 pm
There are consequences to being out of touch with the rest of America when it comes to elections. So try to regain a little dignity, suck it up, and stop crying amongst yourselves, Republicans (or continue if you want, nobody cares). The REAL America is getting exactly what they voted for, and will get four more years it of it after November 2012. Praise be!
Linda
February 13th, 2012
7:04 pm
Does the stay-at-home wife of an employee have the same rights to preventative care as the stay-at-home x-wife of an employee?
Does the fed. govt. have the right to tell a religion that their faith & opinions are Medieval?
Does the fed. govt. have the right to tell a religion what to believe & what is moral?
Since freedom of religion is addressed in the very first amendment, what is more important, our right to freedom of religion or women’s rights to FREE birth control pills?
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
7:35 pm
One more time: The Constitution guarantees a free exercise of religion.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…
The government’s regulation does not prohibit any exercise of religion.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
7:39 pm
Obozocare does prohibit the free exercise of religion when they require Catholics to violate their beliefs regarding contraception and killing the unborn.
Linda
February 13th, 2012
7:53 pm
If a religion believes in life, that life is precious, that life begins at contraception, that preventing life with artificial birth control is morally wrong & that abortions are murder AND the fed. govt. mandates that religion to provide &/or pay for artificial birth control & abortion medicine to its employees, then the fed. govt. is PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF of that religion.
ragnar danneskjold
February 13th, 2012
7:59 pm
Welcome back, Kyle, trust mother and child are doing well. I think the Catholic-abortion kerfuffle has legs, ultimately going to be seen as an attempt to make leftist law superior to Constitutional prohibitions. Not many see that yet, but the electoral season is young.
ragnar danneskjold
February 13th, 2012
8:01 pm
Derr MarkV @ 7:35, agreed, “The government’s regulation does not prohibit any exercise of religion.” The government’s regulation requires the religion to amend its beliefs to conform to the leftist rite of abortion.
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
8:09 pm
The government does not force anybody to prevent life by using contraceptives.
The fed. govt. does not have the right to tell a religion that their faith & opinions are Medieval. It also does not do it. Many people believe it, however, and prove it by their actions, and that includes Catholic women.
Paying for something is not a prohibition to exercise religion. Most of us are forced to pay for things that we consider immoral and against our beliefs. Can a pacifist refuse to pay the part of his/her taxes used for war? Can a person believing that the capital punishment is immoral refuse to pay the part of taxes used to execute people?
saywhat?
February 13th, 2012
8:13 pm
Ragnar- why does such a hard rightwing “strict constructionist” (and Catholic!!!) like Antonin Scalia disagree with you, and most of the others on this forum, in regard to whether such regulations are constitutional or not?
Perhaps, just maybe, because you are plain dead wrong?
Nahhhhh, that couldn’t be it. (laughing)
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
8:14 pm
Can a pacifist refuse to pay the part of his/her taxes used for war?
————————–
Cowardice is not a religion and is not protected by our Constitution.
saywhat?
February 13th, 2012
8:18 pm
The rights guaranteed to the people in the Constitution aren’t good enough for conservatives. They want their own “special rights”. Too bad, so sad. Luckily for the rest of us, stupidity is not a religion and is not protected by our Constituion.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 13th, 2012
8:27 pm
The rights guaranteed to the people in the Constitution aren’t good enough for conservatives.
———————
They’re good enough for me. Let’s hope we get to keep them.
We won’t if Obozo wins. When Obozo wins, Americans lose.
saywhat?
February 13th, 2012
8:34 pm
Keep hoping for your “special rights”. Its never going to happen. I am looking forward to the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the rightwingers come November. Ah the sweet taste of their bitter tears!
Linda
February 13th, 2012
8:43 pm
If Catholic women believe that their religion, their faith & the opinions of their church are Medieval, why are they still Catholic women?
Paying taxes that are used for things certain taxpayers disagree with is in no way comparable with the fed. govt. using coercion to force religious employers to pay for birth control that is totally against their morals, their conscious & their interpretation of the Bible. These employee sponsored health care plans are already set up & the fed. govt. is intruding & jeopardizing these benefits.
By religious employers, I’m referring not only to Catholic universities, hospitals & schools, but also to small businesses owned by Catholics.
Linda
February 13th, 2012
10:15 pm
There are people who are fiscal conservatives & social conservatives.
There are people who are fiscal conservatives & social liberals.
There are no people who are fiscal liberals & social conservatives.
There are people who are fiscal liberals & social liberals. Those are the progressives, the people everyone needs to watch out for, the folks that are hell-bent in destroying America.
getalife
February 13th, 2012
10:34 pm
Enter your comments here
MarkV
February 13th, 2012
11:00 pm
Paying taxes, which are collected by coercion, for something that is totally against one’s morals and conscience, is very much comparable with forcing employers to pay for something that is against their morals.
The Kid
February 13th, 2012
11:09 pm
The Catholic Church is still covering up for perverts and child molesters, but they have the gall to kick about a birth control bill. It really should be a womans’ decision anyway. As to Taliban Rick Santorum; check out his views closely. You will find that much of what he stands for would reverse the gains of minorities, women, and a great many of the civil rights that we now enjoy. This guy is actually more dangerous than Bush and Cheney were.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
February 14th, 2012
8:10 am
Name one Rick Santorum policy proposal that reverses the gains of minorities, women, or civil rights. Besides his opposition to murdering the unborn or his opposition to perverting the institution of marriage.
2012 Tuesday: Are Obama and the left baiting GOP into nominating Santorum? | Kyle Wingfield
February 14th, 2012
1:23 pm
[...] been a couple of weeks since the Obama administration announced it would force religious-affiliated entities such as hospitals and colleges — most notably those tied to the [...]
Reality Check?
February 15th, 2012
10:25 am
First of all, let’s be clear about the facts – there is no budget issue in CCSD due to the Charter School, PERIOD. CCSD is getting full State and Federal funding for every child they educate in the public school system. They also get 100% of all monies collected locally – including monies from parents who send their children to private school or a state run public school, which CCA is, a State Charter. CCSD has NOTHING to do with CCA. If there is a budget issue in CCSD, it is because tax revenues have declined because Home values have declined dramatically – that is how school taxes are collected. Revenues are down because of these reasons. The State and the Federal government have increased the educational spending even in this economy. If there is a budget issue being professed by the BOE, it is because they and Dr. P have created it