2012 Tuesday: Newt on work, and the scourge of super PACs
By the time we’ve reached the third state in the Republican primary process and are witnessing the umpteenth debate, expectations for hearing something novel at one of these forums are pretty low. A debate at this stage might be best compared to a NASCAR race — in which a sizable segment of the audience is watching in case there’s a wreck — or a heavyweight boxing match — in which many viewers are hoping to see one guy deliver a knockout blow to another.
Nevertheless, Monday night’s debate in Myrtle Beach was notable for two moments. One came when debate panelist Juan Williams asked Newt Gingrich if he could see that Gingrich’s past comments about work ethic and food stamps are “viewed, at a minimum, as insulting to all Americans, but particularly to black Americans,” and the former speaker responded with a flat “No” — and proceeded to rip apart the meme bit by bit:
The other one came after a verbal brawl among the candidates about the charges leveled by various candidates’ “super PACs” toward other candidates. Mitt Romney suggested the problem lies with the campaign-finance laws that led to the creation of super PACs in the first place:
ROMNEY: We all would like to have super PACs disappear, to tell you the truth. Wouldn’t it nice to have people give what they would like to to campaigns and campaigns could run their own ads and take responsibility for them? But you know what, this campaign is not about ads, it’s about issues.
DEBATE MODERATOR BRET BAIER: So, Governor Romney, in the general election, if you are the nominee you would like to see Super PACs ended?
ROMNEY: Oh, I would like to get rid of the campaign finance laws that were put in place — McCain-Feingold is a disaster, get rid of it. Let people make contributions they want to make to campaigns, let campaigns then take responsibility for their own words and not have this strange situation we have people out there who support us, who run ads we don’t like, we would like to take off the air, they are outrageous and yet they are out there supporting us and by law we aren’t allowed to talk to them.
I haven’t spoken to any of the people involved in my super PAC in months, and this is outrageous. Candidates should have the responsibility and the right to manage the ads that are being run on their behalf. I think this has to change.
Now, many observers are skeptical about the actual lack of coordination between campaigns and super PACs and believe the Chinese wall is more like a leaky dike without the little Dutch boy. But we are only having this discussion about whether campaigns talk to super PACs because the effort to “get the money out of politics” only led to less accountability. Romney is right: It would be better to eliminate, or at least raise, the government-imposed limits on contributions; have clear and immediate transparency about contributions; let candidates defend their decisions to take money from whoever is giving it to them; and let voters make up their minds.
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P.S. – At this point, some of you will ask why I take this position on campaign finance while advocating a limit on gifts from lobbyists to our state legislators. Let me explain, briefly.
As the Supreme Court recognizes, contributions to candidates are a manifestation of political speech, which in our political system must be protected vigilantly. And as Richard Cohen details well, campaign contributions are sometimes the best, or only, way for those opposed to the current political leaders to bring about a change. (One problem with moving totally toward public financing of campaigns is that, in the name of not wasting taxpayer dollars, there inevitably will be thresholds of support that candidates must clear to qualify for public funds — and history teaches us that elected officials set such thresholds to minimize competition, not increase it.)
Political campaigns cost money to run, and it is appropriate that Americans be able to help finance the campaign of a candidate they support. While some people — including, it seems, Romney — support eliminating limits completely, it strikes me as more prudent to increase the limit first and, after examining the results, determine whether it makes sense to keep moving in that direction.
Lawmaking, on the other hand, does not require financial contributions, particularly ones that come in the form of dinners, tickets to sporting events and concerts, or travel. In the vast majority of cases, there is no reason a lobbyist can’t communicate the same point about legislation without buying something for the legislator. For those cases when circumstances dictate otherwise, modest expenses covered by a cap of perhaps $100 should suffice to avoid incriminating people unnecessarily. And I am open to discussion about where the limit should be set in order to minimize such unnecessary problems and to avoid creating new problems as much as is practical.
(Note that we are not talking about the right of a person, group or company to spend money to hire people and pay those employees’ expenses to make said point. That, not gifts, would be the appropriate analogy to campaign contributions when it comes to political speech; lobbying per se is not a problem.)
– By Kyle Wingfield
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carlosgvv
January 17th, 2012
12:46 pm
Predatory Capitalism has reached a point in this country where corporate money has an unbreakable iron grip on politics. This capitalistic system is broken beyond repair. The only answer is for good Socialist candidates to run for office and voters who will be able to see beyond the all out attact the moneyed interests will make.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
12:59 pm
“Predatory Capitalism”
What is predatory capitalism?
If someone falls victim to that imaginary scenario they never should have graduated high school.
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
1:07 pm
When I was a kid, I had an uncle who told me to never let anybody give me anything because the price would always be too high. I think you’d could make a good case that the same thing applies in gifts to legislators and campaign contributions. Campaign contributions, when they are at a high dollar level, are a way to buy access.
Kyle Wingfield
January 17th, 2012
1:09 pm
Hillbilly: “Campaign contributions, when they are at a high dollar level, are a way to buy access.”
That’s true. But allowing the people who want/stand to get the most access to reveal themselves through contributions also serves the purpose of letting the rest of us know who to keep the closest eye on.
jconservative
January 17th, 2012
1:18 pm
When are we going to let corporations vote?
JDW
January 17th, 2012
1:24 pm
@Kyle…”But allowing the people who want/stand to get the most access to reveal themselves through contributions also serves the purpose of letting the rest of us know who to keep the closest eye on.”
Which includes the lobbyists and we already keep an “eye” on them. When campaign contributions are unlimited the conversation goes…So instead of a nice dinner how would you like say $10,000 for your campaign? Which of course today they just give to the Super Pac…
The fallacy in our method of financing campaigns is that by definition the people that want access are in fact the Lobbyists. The rest of us go to town hall meetings every once in a while.
JDW
January 17th, 2012
1:26 pm
@jconservative…heck they can already buy elections that’s better than voting…more control over the outcome.
Jefferson
January 17th, 2012
1:34 pm
A bribe is a bribe is a bribe.
Don't Tread
January 17th, 2012
1:34 pm
McCain-Feingold was an attempt to shut single-issue advocacy groups up (specifically, the NRA, as voiced by several Democrats at the time). Seems they didn’t like free speech being used by people they didn’t like around election time.
That worked out well, didn’t it? Now the system is more messed up than it was before McCain-Feingold was passed.
JDW
January 17th, 2012
1:49 pm
NRA is a perfect example of what’s wrong. Here you have a single issue organization purporting to represent the rights of individual gun owners. Sounds great, until you realize that the money is really coming from a variety of US and foreign gun manufacturer’s and “interested” companies such as Blackstone. In fact less than 3% of the NRA’s membership actually votes for the board.
In reality the business of the NRA is protecting the business of its contributors.
http://www.vpc.org/studies/bloodmoney.pdf
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
1:52 pm
In fact less than 3% of the NRA’s membership actually votes for the board.
Not disputing that but couldn’t you say the same thing about most any corporation? The 3% might not be the right number but most corporation boards are also controlled by a very small number of shareholders. Goes back to Kyle’s column of the other day.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
1:57 pm
The more I read about Gingrich the more I think we need him in Washington. Not as president but as a mover & shaker of the old setup.
Gingrich can hit the nail on the head that nobody likes but are afraid to strike. He’s a fighter who can land a blow. There are not many that can or will do the needed fighting.
I don’t mean accusations & gossip. I mean something that is not working but is approved by important people so nobody speaks the truth. I do believe that Gingrich will speak out clearly.
Can you think how pleasant it would be to have Gingrich running the senate instead of willy nilly Reid? A breath of fresh air in Washington.
ByteMe
January 17th, 2012
2:04 pm
Kyle, I approve of your PS.
And I thought McCain-Feingold was gone…? Or has it been so reduced by John Roberts and the Supremes to “little people are limited in how much money they can give, but big people can give as much as they want”?
JDW
January 17th, 2012
2:06 pm
@Hillybilly…I agree which is one reason I don’t think they are people and why I don’t think they should be able to contribute unlimited funds to directly impact political campaigns.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
2:08 pm
“NRA is a perfect example of what’s wrong.”
As is Planned Parenthood.
JDW
January 17th, 2012
2:09 pm
Gingrich never left Washington. He lives there and continues to peddle his influence at every opportunity. He doesn’t want to be elected to anything but President…it’s not financially advantageous…those pesky ethics rules and all.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
2:09 pm
“The more I read about Gingrich the more I think we need him in Washington.”
The guy who agreed with Pelosi on global scamming? The guy who went off on Paul Ryan’s plan?
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
2:10 pm
“Gingrich never left Washington.”
I used to get calls from “the offices of Newt Gingrich” about wanting me to donate money to his “cause.” When he, Newt, went off on Paul Ryan I never looked at him the same way again. This is a guy who went after Clinton all while he was cheating on his own wife.
JDW
January 17th, 2012
2:11 pm
Planned Parenthood should have no more right to unfettered corporate cash than any of the others including the NRA. But, I will wager the list of corporate donors to Planned Parenthood generates is minuscule.
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
2:12 pm
JDW @ 2:06
Don’t know if you’ve ever read any of my previous comments but if you have, I’ve stated before that I think the move to “Corporate Personhood”, in the mid to late 1800’s is one of the great wrong turns this country has made, in its history.
getalife
January 17th, 2012
2:12 pm
Corporations are not people because no corporations can pee in a cup and get executed in Texas.
citizen united changed our country.
Americans are waking up to this fact.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
2:16 pm
ByteMe
No matter what laws are made about political donations, lower income people do not posess the money to give. Rich people will have plenty of personal funds to draw on. That’s a known fact.
Anyway the law is presented, the same results will happen. More from the rich and less from others.
If all that is made public, then what is there to say? I believe we have given options on whether to limited donations or not. I don’t think there should be an option on that. One rule with no options.
We saw what Obama decided when there were options and he came out way ahead ( and probably willl again). Seems like we need an equal field on the financing of political elections.
ragnar danneskjold
January 17th, 2012
2:18 pm
As one who does not watch commercials, I would have everyone spend as much as they wish on anything. Won’t affect me, but I understand that leftists think the general public are sheep who could be dissuaded from the leftist overlordship if there is a competing message in the ethos.
Don't Tread
January 17th, 2012
2:19 pm
“NRA is a perfect example of what’s wrong.”
I suppose it’s ok with you to abolish the rights of anyone you don’t agree with.
Liberals are what’s wrong.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
2:27 pm
See what i mean? Some of you remember what Gingrich said and did while forgeting all the other action of the time? He did some good things before if you skip the propaganda. Balanced budget?
And may I ask you where you are going to find the pure, unadulterated person to stand the warfare in Washington? You can’t even as you try ( and there is no such person)..
You have to get one who is smart, eloquent. experienced and determined. Gingrich is no shining example of “proper” living but he is able to state his case with determination. I have no doubt he loves this country just as much as the best to be found..
There’s something to be said for all that.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
2:31 pm
Ragnar, you ol’ spendthrift!! Throwing money in any direction you want?
Shh…but that sounds like fun.
FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real)
January 17th, 2012
2:33 pm
Juan asked Newton Leroy the worng question. He should have asked why Newt continues to refer only to Blacks and poor people when he talks about food stamps/welfare.
Everyone knows that there are more whites on welfare. And what about the fact that most people receiving food stamps actually WORK. He must also be aware of the number of active duty military and vets that receive food stamps. Are they also “lazy” with no “work ethic”? That seems to be his inference when talking about receiveers of govt assistance. And don’t get me started about Corporate welfare and the billions of dollars in subsidies shelled out to oil barons and others who profit by taking free money from hard working taxpayers.
Newt was simply throwing red meat to the South Carolina GOP base. The shameful applause spoke volumes about the hatred/ignorance and so-called Christian humanity of those people.
Ayn Rant
January 17th, 2012
2:47 pm
The Republican members of the Supreme Court decided that corporations have the right to free speech. Honestly, I’ve never heard a corporation speak, but apparently Republican politicians have, or claim to.
The Republican members of the Supreme Court also elected George Bush in 2000, although Gore won substantially more votes than Bush. And, we all know how that turned out: a diabolical, catastrophic attack on the financial center of our nation by a dozen or so unarmed young men, a counter-strategic war in Iraq that handed Iran the victory, a never-ending war for an undefined cause in perpetually tumultous Afghanistan , followed by a world financial meltdown caused by the unregulated American financial sector.
Now, big corporations and wacky billionaires are pouring millions into financing political campaigns. Really, isn’t this proof that big corporations and the ultra-rich are significantly under taxed?
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
2:51 pm
FEAR,
People receive food stamps because they are POOR. You seem to think that is a horrible designation. It was not at one time. To be on “relief” was considered the greater disgrace. In that way, the “poor” claimed quite rightly their independence.
Now it is no disgrace to be totally dependent on government food, housing, medical care and anything that can be aquired for “free”. It is free for them because they pay no taxes. So now we have dependency instead of self reliance.
If Gingrich is wrong about those that receive food stamps, perhaps he is not aware of the change in time. He will learn that all races receive food stamps. Or maybe there was a time when one race received more “help” than others.
Overall, a racist is not one who makes mistakes about food stamps but hates others not like him. I don’t think the mention of food stamps is a true indicator of one’s character. Mistaken info perhaps but not biigotry. (unless you are intentionally looking for a flaw).
BJ
January 17th, 2012
2:54 pm
FEAR, I am so glad to see your comment. People do not want to understand the math. They say Newt is telling the truth but he is not. If he were telling the truth he would say, the US has 330 million people according to their own statistics. Also according to their numbers Blacks make up 13 to 15% of the nations population. That equals 49 million black people. Now we know all blacks are not on any type of welfare or receiving food stamps, so who is really getting the most government assistance? The answer is whites and other nationalities. If 50% of black people are receiveing food stamps it is still not as much as 25% of white people. The math does not lie but all of thaose candidates that talk about blacks are the real liars and if you are willing to lie to make yourself look good or smart what else would you lie about. People need to really think.
FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real)
January 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
Dusty, If indeed Newt is “out of touch” to such a degree then he does not deserve to serve as the people’s President. So much is said of this man’s supposed intelligence. How could he miss such facts if you and I and others who are paying attention are so fully aware? I simply do not buy it; but I appreciate your point.
Nat Turner
January 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
Good points, B.J. But shh, it is all of those black people in their Air Jordans, weaves, and well-tended to nails that are taking money from hardworking white people.
Nat Turner
January 17th, 2012
3:04 pm
Oh I forgot to add that it is their “slave mentality” (as somebody said yesterday” and not the “serf mentality” of the white recepients of welfare.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
3:06 pm
AynRant@ 2:47
How in the world could anyone present so many false statement at one time?
#1 Corporations would not exist without people.
#2 George Bush was elected quite properly though the electoral system of the USA.
#3 The terrorism of 9/11 that happened nine months after Bush became president was planned long years before that terrible event in NYC..
#4 The ultra rich are equal citizens in the USA just like everybody else and should have equal and fair taxation.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
3:17 pm
FEAR
Gingrich is for reducing the need for foodstamps and other aids by increasing the independence of those receiving them. Everybody! Do you wish for more people to be able to take care for themselves in all areas of their lives? Well, Gingrich does and so do most Americans.
As I said before, you find the perfect candidate who knows all and understands everything and is impeccably pure and you’ve got the perfect one. Let me know when you find him.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
3:19 pm
Ms. Rant@2:47, “…a diabolical, catastrophic attack on the financial center of our nation by a dozen or so unarmed young men…”
Man, I wish I could have seen that!
All this because Gore beat Bush but the Supreme Court Republicans elected Bush. I see.
And after two hundred years, we still had an unregulated American financial sector? Congress bad.
The Elite
January 17th, 2012
3:20 pm
Kyle, I find in entertaining that the majority white crowd (you think 90%) booed the only black guy in the room and cheered Newt’s “this might not be politically correct, and uncomfortable to the elite, but I care, I swear, I really care ..” rambling. The only job Newt has enhanced is the Tiffany employee that sold him some jewlery. Trickle down economics I guess.
wallbanger
January 17th, 2012
3:21 pm
I loved Gingrich’s answer and he is absolutely right on that point. Not to say I liked his attacking Romney for pursuing perfectly legal business practices in pursuit of a profit cause I like profits too. I will vote for either one of them, or for Minnie Mouse before I would vote for the current idiot in chief.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
3:35 pm
The only things progressives hate more than capitalism are corporations. The problem is that progressives don’t know what corporations are. It varies by state, but it takes a minimum of one & not more than 3 people (PEOPLE) to become a corporation. Any PERSON can take his checkbook downtown tomorrow & become incorporated. The day after you become incorporated, you still have all the rights you had the day before.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
3:39 pm
Progressives are upset with this 2010 Supreme Court ruling mainly because it gave the same rights to corporations that it did to unions.
Rafe Hollister
January 17th, 2012
3:43 pm
With 35 debates, why do we need any paid advertising? If people are too dumb to pick a candidate after all these debates, they are too dumb to vote.
I am for getting the government out of anything that is not enumerated in the Constitution, however, I make one exception. Let us go to public financing of federal campaigns. Require FCC license holders to equally provide time for either debates or campaign ads. Give them a small allowance, for which they are accountable, to allow for travel. Then vote in 45 days and move on.
People who are too dumb, too involved with other things, or just do not care, should not vote anyway.
Rafe Hollister
January 17th, 2012
3:50 pm
Linda
Corporations are people, but Unions are better than People. Just ask Barry Oblamer, he put the Unions ahead of the lienholders and shareholders in the Gov Motors bankruptcy. Never before in history had that been done, so I am assuming that they now outrank people, at least in the eyes of this regime.
lil' barry food stamps
January 17th, 2012
3:50 pm
The Unions have to compete with Corporations to buy elections anymore and that’s just not “Equal FAIRNESS” under the “SOCIAL JUSTICE” clause of the progressive “LIVING CONSTITUTION”!
Michael H. Smith
January 17th, 2012
3:52 pm
Rafe Hollister
January 17th, 2012
3:43 pm
Spot on!
getalife
January 17th, 2012
3:53 pm
So willard was hiding the fact he paid less taxes than Buffett.
Raise them on the wealthy so they pay like the workers.
You lose this argument cons.
What makes you think another gop administration would not be the same as the last?
Another disaster is the last thing our country and people need.
rightwing troll
January 17th, 2012
3:53 pm
Oh Gingrich is good… He had me until we got to the foodstamp President thing. The problem is that he’s interpolating W’s economy and the rising number of people applying for foodstamps as Obama took office. He very well may be correct in his assertion that more people have been put on some sort of Govt assistance during Obama’s term than any other President’s first term, but he leaves out the causation.
getalife
January 17th, 2012
3:56 pm
troll,
cons ignore the w collapse.
lil' barry food stamps
January 17th, 2012
4:02 pm
Barack Hussein Obama America’s Food Stamp President.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
4:09 pm
Rafe@3:50, You get not one, but two stars.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
4:16 pm
Liberals think if they continue to repeat lies (Including distortions & omissions) enough times, the conservatives will eventually believe them. Just because it worked on them does not mean it will ever work on us.
Just because 9/11 happened during Bush’s term does not mean he was flying the planes. Just because the financial meltdown started during Bush’s term does not mean he was attached to coattails of the GSEs.
JF McNamara
January 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
Here is what Newt said,
“And so I’m prepared, if the NAACP invites me, I’ll go to their convention and talk about why the African-American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps. And I’ll go to them and explain a brand new Social Security opportunity for young people, which would be particularly good for African-American males because they are the group that gets the smallest return on social security because they have the shortest life span.”
The statement is both condescending and wrong headed. Black people are satisfied with food stamps? Really, I better go sign up and quit my job? Thank You Massr New. We need massr Newt to come save us from ourselves…
Also, Why bring up African Americans specifically? Aren’t there far, far more white people on food stamps (Yes). Does the fact that the elections are heading South play into that? African Americans aren’t stupid. We understand what Newt is doing…
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
4:22 pm
getalife,
You are so entertaining.
What a joker! A magician!
You can make facts disappear
And see things that aren’t there!
I hope you will approve Obama’s disappearing act.
People are already applauding.
Gonna be great!!
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
4:31 pm
Any PERSON can take his checkbook downtown tomorrow & become incorporated. The day after you become incorporated, you still have all the rights you had the day before
But you no longer have the same liabilities.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
4:31 pm
The GOP candidates are pointing out what HAS happened during the Obama administration. Of all the pundits, analysts, etc., it was Peggy Joseph who best predicted on 10/31/08 what WOULD happen during the Obama administration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36×8rTb3jI
lil' barry food stamps
January 17th, 2012
4:32 pm
We can’t wait!
America’s Food Stamp President mm, mm, mm.
lil' barry food stamps
January 17th, 2012
4:33 pm
We can’t wait!
Four dollar a gallon gas by spring mm, mm, mm
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
4:38 pm
I’d take anyone in the GOP over Obama any day.
jconservative
January 17th, 2012
4:38 pm
Change of subject:
“1/17/2012, The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from a North Carolina county commission over the mostly Christian prayers offered at the beginning of its public meetings.
The justices on Tuesday left in place a federal appeals court ruling that held that the predominantly Christian prayers at the start of Forsyth County commission meetings violated the First Amendment’s prohibition on government endorsement of a particular religion.
The commission said its doors have long been open to religious leaders of many faiths. But the appeals court in Richmond, Va., found that more than three-quarters of the 33 invocations given before meetings between May 2007 and December 2008 referred to “Jesus,” ”Jesus Christ,” ”Christ” or “Savior.” ”
——————–
Coupled with last week’s decision protecting a church;s right to appoint its own ministers, it appears the Roberts court is well on its way to protecting the Constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
4:39 pm
Dusty
I suspect getalife is unemployed and has been for a very long time. The troll sits on Bookman’s blog 24/7 arguing with anyone and everyone.
lil' barry food stamps
January 17th, 2012
4:40 pm
We can’t wait!
Are you better off today than you were four years ago?
John
January 17th, 2012
4:40 pm
So according to Newt, janitors in New York city make at least $217.50 an hour…that’s $452,400 a year. That would be the annual salary total of the 30 kids you could hire to replace 1 janitor based on the $7.25 federal minimum wages.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
4:40 pm
“The only things progressives hate more than capitalism are corporations. ”
Ironically Obama got more corporate dollars than ANY GOPer in 2008. Libs are such hypocrites.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
4:41 pm
John
Union folk in NY make a lot of money. Heck, in Chicago, trash collectors make over 60 grand a year.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
4:42 pm
If libs hate corporations so much then they should get rid of their expensive hybrids, iphones etc and grow their own food.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
4:48 pm
Somewhere, add to that the components to their homes (lumber, shingles, etc.) as well as their appliances & furnishings, their vehicles & clothes. Liberals only hate corporations that make a profit.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
4:51 pm
Trash collectors in Chicago make over 60 grand a year!
They must pay community organizers a lot, too. They never seem to live in the “community”.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
4:52 pm
Dusty @3:06 pm
Dusty, if you want to point out false statements, you should be careful to write better statements yourself.
#1. “Corporations would not exist without people.” Does that prove they “are” people? Piloted planes could not fly without people. Does that make them “people?”
#3. “The terrorism of 9/11 that happened nine months after Bush became president was planned long years before that terrible event in NYC.” I do not agree with those who give Bush exclusive blame for not preventing 9/11, but whether it was planned long ago is hardly a good argument, and as for 9 months, you could just as well say that it happened when he was already fully 9 months in the office. There is a good case to make that he did not do enough to prevent it. But it is hardly an issue that makes any sense to reopen now.
#4 “The ultra rich are equal citizens in the USA just like everybody else and should have equal and fair taxation.” I do not see anybody denying the ultra rich equal citizenship. “Fair and equal” taxation is a very pliable concept. What is “equal” and what is”fair?”
Occupunks on Kyle's blog
January 17th, 2012
4:53 pm
What? ME? You want ME, to get a JOB!
Stop cussing me, you filthy mouth one percent’er.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
4:54 pm
“What is “equal” and what is”fair?”
There’s no such thing. If you suck at managing money, it’s your own fault.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
4:55 pm
“They must pay community organizers a lot, too. They never seem to live in the “community”.”
Obama’s wife was the bread winner when they lived in Chicago for years.
Michael H. Smith
January 17th, 2012
5:03 pm
MarkV@4:52 pm What is “equal” and what is”fair?”
Like you said, be careful of your statements. There is no constitutional amendment protecting “fair” and knowing you as most of us do we know you really don’t want equal in the least.
FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real)
January 17th, 2012
5:03 pm
Dusty you clearly miss my point. I never said or implied that the poor should remain poor. That’s just silly. Nor will I ever believe that Newt doesn’t understand the impact of this economy on a hefty slice of our populace.
Here’s what I do believe. Most unemployed people – especially those that lost jobs to no fault of their own – would rather be working. I also believe that most poor people would rather have a job that provides the dignity that comes with supporting their basic needs without govt assistance. Of course there are those who will game the system, but that is not most people.
John
January 17th, 2012
5:04 pm
Somewhere over there,
$60,000 and $454,400 is a huge difference. Can Newt back up his claim? Where’s his proof? If that’s the janitor’s salary, how many millions per year are the teachers and principals making?
The Elite
January 17th, 2012
5:05 pm
Linda, most elitist liberal Democrats are extremely wealthy and well educated like me. Liberals prefer to hate corporations that don’t make stuff that they like. Starbucks, for example, is a popular mecca for liberals in urban areas and college campuses. Also exempt are: Apple, Birkenstock, Ikea, Target and Volvo. Wal-Mart, McDonalds, and Halliburton are not popular due to a wide range of reasons.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
5:06 pm
“$60,000 and $454,400 is a huge difference.”
Is it really?
“If that’s the janitor’s salary, how many millions per year are the teachers and principals making?”
What the hell are you talking about, John?
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
5:06 pm
Rafe Hollister @3:50 pm
“Corporations are people, but Unions are better than People. Just ask Barry Oblamer, … I am assuming that they now outrank people, at least in the eyes of this regime.”
A good argument can be made that corporations “are not” people. It requires a very confused mind to claim that unions are NOT people. A mind of people who call the President mocking names.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
5:07 pm
“Linda, most elitist liberal Democrats are extremely wealthy and well educated like me.
Yep, they get their degrees in Philosophy and poetry writing. Good luck making a living in that field.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
5:07 pm
“It requires a very confused mind to claim that unions are NOT people.”
Unions are pathetic little crybabies.
Jefferson
January 17th, 2012
5:08 pm
So who is the mad crowd ? Ever wonder why ?
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
5:09 pm
Michael H. Smith @ 5:03 pm “Like you said, be careful of your statements. There is no constitutional amendment protecting “fair” and knowing you as most of us do we know you really don’t want equal in the least.”
Is there any particular sense in your post?
Don't Tread
January 17th, 2012
5:12 pm
“It requires a very confused mind to claim that unions are NOT people.”
Oh, not really. A union is a group of people with a common agenda, just like a corporation is. If corporations aren’t “people”, neither are unions.
John
January 17th, 2012
5:16 pm
Somewhere over there
It’s simple math…you do know how to multiple, don’t you? Newt claims 30 something kids could be hired to replace 1 janitor for the same amount of money. In case you don’t know how to calculate, here it is for you…
minimum wage is $7.25/hr x the 30 kids = $217.50 (the minimum hourly salary Newt suggest janitor’s make).
$217.50 x 2080 (full times hours worked per year) = $425,400 (the minimum yearly salary Newt suggest janitor’s make).
Linda
January 17th, 2012
5:17 pm
Dusty, Be careful. If you don’t answer HIS way, he’s call you every dirty name in the liberal playbook.
The corporations that liberals hate most are those that produce cleaning supplies. There was one nasty-mouth liberal kid in my elementary school. His dad was in a union. His mother started with soap. When that didn’t work, she used dishwashing detergent. When that didn’t work, she used dishwasher detergent. Then she tried a few Brillo pads. It was Draino that finally did the trick. The kid is now a preacher & drives a Honda.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
5:20 pm
“It’s simple math…you do know how to multiple, don’t you? Newt claims 30 something kids could be hired to replace 1 janitor for the same amount of money. In case you don’t know how to calculate, here it is for you”
Again, what the hell are you talking about?
John
January 17th, 2012
5:21 pm
Somewhere over there
Watch the video above and educate yourself.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
5:23 pm
Linda @5:17 pm “Dusty, Be careful. If you don’t answer HIS way, he’s call you every dirty name in the liberal playbook.”
Linda, January 15th, 2012 @11:39 pm: “Why don’t you go over there & f@#t & belch?”
Jefferson
January 17th, 2012
5:25 pm
It seems new wants kids to be janitors, not his kids mind you.
John
January 17th, 2012
5:27 pm
Jefferson@5:25 pm
That’s because they have Newt as their father…he gave them good work ethics so they don’t need to be janitors.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
5:28 pm
Well, MarkV, I see you are home and ready to fight.
I love my generalizations! They are better than YOURS! How’s that for a start?
#1 Yes, corporations = people, their major component. No people. No corporations. Just pieces of paper.
#3 9/11 was planned for years. Clinton had years to prevent it. Why blame Bush? For propaganda!
#4 Taxation pays America’s living expenses. The only fair and equal way to tax is for everyone to pay the same percentage of their income. Wealthy people are taxed at a higher percentage than others. Therefore they are not treated equally which I consider unfair. Since the “rich” have made no objection to their higher tax rate that I know about, I assume they are willing to give more for their country. That does not make it “equal”. Just generous.
PS–Is your heated birdbath frozen yet? Mine is not frozen although the solar heating is not working too well. But not a bird in sight anyway.
John
January 17th, 2012
5:31 pm
Only poor black kids need to be janitors and learn good work ethics…that’s why he would go to the NAACP convention if he’s invited.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
5:36 pm
Stop picking on Romney, Kyle, you’ll make him flip flop.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
5:37 pm
Elite@5:05, Education does not make one intelligent & intelligence is not synonymous with common sense. Wealth is a mere accumulation & elitism is where you nose is. Anyone who pays $5 for a cup of coffee is not intelligent, has little common sense & won’t be wealthy much longer.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
5:38 pm
“Watch the video above and educate yourself.”
bless yer heart.
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
5:39 pm
“Only poor black kids need to be janitors and learn good work ethics…that’s why he would go to the NAACP convention if he’s invited.”
The NAACP is still around? I forgot they even existed.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
January 17th, 2012
5:41 pm
Well, Newt’s little speech went over real well with the white racists that make up the South Carolina GOP.
It seems to have gone over pretty well with Kyle’s Kooky Konservatives here, too!
Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
5:47 pm
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
Get. A. Life. And. A. Job.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
5:50 pm
Dusty @5:28 pm
Well, Dusty, I am home and ready to fight, for a while at least. As for who’s generalizations are better, let’s see.
#1. To be clear, I think the question is simply silly. There is no doubt that a corporation IS NOT people. When we say that something is this or that, we normally mean that it is the same thing. Whether a corporation cannot exist without people is besides the point. But I call the question silly because what is really being argued is not whether corporation IS or IS NOT people, but whether certain right of people should apply to a corporation. Actually, I do not have a strong opinion on that. I lean against the Supreme Court ruling, but the court has made it and it is therefore the law of the land.
#3 “9/11 was planned for years. Clinton had years to prevent it. Why blame Bush? For propaganda!” Part right, part wrong. Clinton carries some blame for not preventing it. So does Bush, The question of the relative proportion is not something I want to answer, and inn my view nobody here is competent to do.
#4 “The only fair and equal way to tax is for everyone to pay the same percentage of their income.” I am willing to argue this, but not right now. It would take too long.
“PS–Is your heated birdbath frozen yet? Mine is not frozen although the solar heating is not working too well. But not a bird in sight anyway.” Both our birdbaths are heated automatically and never freeze. It ha snot been too needed so far, but birds really need open water.
John
January 17th, 2012
5:53 pm
Dusty @5:28 pm
“#3 9/11 was planned for years. Clinton had years to prevent it. Why blame Bush? For propaganda!”
Clinton did prevent it..9/11 didn’t happen while he was president. Bush was president at that time and the Clinton administration handed over intelligence that Bush decided to ignore. How can you blame Clinton for 9/11 when it happened under Bush’s watch.
“#4 Taxation pays America’s living expenses. The only fair and equal way to tax is for everyone to pay the same percentage of their income. Wealthy people are taxed at a higher percentage than others. Therefore they are not treated equally which I consider unfair. Since the “rich” have made no objection to their higher tax rate that I know about, I assume they are willing to give more for their country. That does not make it “equal”. Just generous.”
When you say income should be taxed at the same rate, does that mean ALL income, such as income on investment, inheritance, etc. Would that mean eliminate ALL deductions including mortgage interest, deductions for children, etc.? Of course it wouldn’t be fair if there are deductions since not everyone would qualify which would make it unfair. Of course, since you believe corporations are people, corporations would have the pay the same percentage with no deductions, subsidies, tax breaks, etc.
The Elite
January 17th, 2012
5:59 pm
Somewhere over there – Carly Fiornia and Peter Lynch where philosophy majors.
John
January 17th, 2012
6:04 pm
Dusty @5:28 pm
If corporations are people and Bain Capital killed (closed) some businesses, could Mitt Romney then be charged for murder?
TRUTH
January 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
Bogus. Newt is a KNOWN liar and cheat. He has no moral fiber and is clearly in this to make money. A newt presidency? Seriously?
Face it Kyle, no matter how you try and try to spin it, the GOP is in a very precarious spot. They have gone SO far to the right, they’ve alienated moderate conservatives (er, like the majority of the country.) I am a Democrat and I always believe in solid ideas from both parties that move our country forward, for the greater good. What has been assembled to represent the GOP is truly sad.
GO OBAMA 2012!!
Republicans….you really need to go and get your ish together….
Kyle Wingfield
January 17th, 2012
6:31 pm
Actually, John, if you watched the video, you know that Newt said his daughter’s first job was doing janitorial work at a church.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
6:49 pm
A debate at this stage might be best compared to a NASCAR race — in which a sizable segment of the audience is watching in case there’s a wreck — or a heavyweight boxing match — in which many viewers are hoping to see one guy deliver a knockout blow to another.
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Sounds like a bunch of cannibals ready to feast on RED MEAT.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
6:54 pm
@Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
12:59 pm
“Predatory Capitalism”
What is predatory capitalism?
If someone falls victim to that imaginary scenario they never should have graduated high school.
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My 12 year old knows what predatory capitalism is.
Don’t insult our intelligence because your environment does not comprehend that notion.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
6:56 pm
@jconservative
January 17th, 2012
1:18 pm
When are we going to let corporations vote?
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When pigs FLY.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
January 17th, 2012
6:59 pm
Why are Obama-haters so stupid?
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:15 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
1:57 pm
The more I read about Gingrich the more I think we need him in Washington. Not as president but as a mover & shaker of the old setup.
Gingrich can hit the nail on the head that nobody likes but are afraid to strike. He’s a fighter who can land a blow. There are not many that can or will do the needed fighting.
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Gingrich a mover & shaker of the old setup. heeheehee
The thought of Newt moving and shaking his flabby behind makes me nauseous.
The only nail Newt is going to hit is the one in his coffin when his candidacy is dead.
Last night was the NAIL on the head. His. Or the straw that broke his back..
Uncle Jed
January 17th, 2012
7:15 pm
Obama now has a record. He also has experience in the office. In categories that matter the most to most contributing citizens, Obama is the top cat in a failed administration. Americans identify themselves as conservative in numbers far in excess of those self-identifying as liberals. The so-called independents are therefore more conservative than liberal. Obama will not be re-elected.
Santa Klausen
January 17th, 2012
7:24 pm
OBAMA 2012: Because it’s still your father’s country.
Romney 2012: He looks like Herman Munster, man, I mean, come on.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:26 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
2:27 pm
. Gingrich is no shining example of “proper” living but he is able to state his case with determination. I have no doubt he loves this country just as much as the best to be found..
There’s something to be said for all that.
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What is that smell? Phew! Phew! Sniff Sniff
Thats the foul odor of hypocrisy sprinkled with the stench of racism talking.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:28 pm
@lil’ barry food stamps
January 17th, 2012
4:02 pm
Barack Hussein Obama America’s Food Stamp President.
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You should know. hehehehehehehe
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:33 pm
@Linda
January 17th, 2012
4:16 pm
Liberals think if they continue to repeat lies (Including distortions & omissions) enough times, the conservatives will eventually believe them. Just because it worked on them does not mean it will ever work on us.
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You say – “Just because it worked on them does not mean it will ever work on us.”
Thank you for admitting the truth for ONCE. That conservatives are LIARS.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:38 pm
@JF McNamara
January 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
Here is what Newt said,
Why bring up African Americans specifically? Aren’t there far, far more white people on food stamps (Yes). Does the fact that the elections are heading South play into that? African Americans aren’t stupid. We understand what Newt is doing…
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Newt was feeding red meat to the animals last night.
They were out for blood and Newt provided the refreshments.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:43 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
4:22 pm
getalife,
I hope you will approve Obama’s disappearing act.
People are already applauding.
Gonna be great!!
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Poof………….you are now invisible all we can hear are your gums flapping.
Applauds Applauds Applauds
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
7:46 pm
Read the last ten comments on this blog if you are wondering how the Occupy Wall Street protests became such foul, disease ridden grotesque displays of perversion that even their mothers were offended and wretched in disgust.
Can we get some Clorox sprayed around here, please?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
7:48 pm
One thing I will credit your average left wing sodomite with, they do keep the sanitation department workers loaded with overtime pay.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:51 pm
@Linda
January 17th, 2012
4:31 pm
The GOP candidates are pointing out what HAS happened during the Obama administration. Of all the pundits, analysts, etc., it was Peggy Joseph who best predicted on 10/31/08 what WOULD happen during the Obama administration.
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Is Peggy Joseph a millionaire like Mitt? If not she is an imposter.
She should be if she can predict the future.
Ask her what are the lottery numbers this weekend for Mega Millions and Win For Life.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:54 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
January 17th, 2012
7:46 pm
Read the last ten comments on this blog if you are wondering how the Occupy Wall Street protests became such foul, disease ridden grotesque displays of perversion that even their mothers were offended and wretched in disgust.
Can we get some Clorox sprayed around here, please?
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It is going to take MR. CLEAN to rid the air of The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy.
You can’t SPRAY THAT AWAY.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
7:55 pm
MarkV@5:23, The difference is that I use @#t & you accuse those who disagree with you with explicit vile words. Were you bullied in school & feel the need to reciprocate in your adult life? You are an adult, aren’t you?
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:56 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
January 17th, 2012
7:48 pm
One thing I will credit your average left wing sodomite with, they do keep the sanitation department workers loaded with overtime pay.
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At least some of us are helping others why some of you are stinking up the country with The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy.
Sniff Sniff Sniff
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
January 17th, 2012
8:02 pm
Curly, methinks thou dost protest too much on the whole “sodomite” thing. Weren’t you in the Navy?
Anyhow, whine away little buddy.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
8:05 pm
See how the sodomites know who I’m talking about?
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
8:09 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
January 17th, 2012
8:05 pm
See how the sodomites know who I’m talking about?
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We can’t handle the truth.
Stop whinning and MAN UP.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
8:23 pm
Stench/ Foul Odor- Enjoy the interaction because I normally do not discourse with the pathetically lame and dumb. I kinda feel sorry for ya.
But now it seems as though I have gotten over the sympathy and I have returned to revulsion.
ew
buh bye, turd blossom.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
8:26 pm
See, and you thought only Romney knew how to pander to the weak minded.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Somewhere@5:39, The NAACP is still the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Only blacks can still call themselves colored. What if whites called blacks colored? What if there was a National Association for the Advancement of White (or any other color) People? It’s hypocrisy.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
8:52 pm
Truth@6:28, I compare Democrats & Republicans from the spectrum of a clock, with 12:00 being the dividing line, with Democrats on the left & Republicans on the right, with liberals being the most left-wing at 9 o’clock & conservatives being the most right-wing at 3 o’clock.
Obama was considered the most liberal member of the senate, even more liberal than the self-admitted socialist from Vermont.
If the Dem. party can elect a president who is a self-admitted progressive (socialist/Marxist) , the most liberal Senator in the Senate & a 9:00 o’clock Democrat, why can’t the Republican Party elect a really right-wing conservative?
Linda
January 17th, 2012
9:13 pm
Mr. Stench@7:51, You asked if Peggy Joseph was a millionaire like Mitt. Why don’t you click on the cite & answer that for yourself? Maybe she’s an imposter like Obama. If she’s a gambler, maybe she & Obama have a lot in common.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
9:38 pm
Well, let’s see. First a little air spray to clear the air. Now…that’s better..
MarkV;;
Corporations are invisible without people. Invisible=nothing. When people leave the corporation it dies.
Bush has 9 months to stop attacks by terrorists.. Clinton had 8 years. Now, you figure who had the most opportunites to stop terrorism.
HEATED BIRD BATHS??? I won’t even ask about the dog house. I’m impressed. Wait until the birds around here hear about heated bird baths. My patio will probably be bombed (with you know what)!!
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
9:49 pm
John,
I have already mentioned that Bush had only 9 months to stop 9/11. Clinton had 8 years.
Clinton did make an effort. Bombed a pharmaceutical plant and an empty training camp. It did not stop the attack on the Cole or those on African embassies. But he did make some effort..
As to Romney “killing” a company, you really think a business group would “kill” a business if it were alive and thriving? NO, they would not. They only hasten an inevitable process already going downhill. The people were removed and the company died. Think about it.
cb
January 17th, 2012
9:52 pm
Eighty-four ethics charges were filed against Speaker Gingrich during his term, including claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes. However we say it, Mr. Gingrich is all about the money. In a recent story, “Gingrich was ask to return the estimated $1.6 million he received for providing strategic advice to Freddie Mac, the quasi-government agency (an agency that has lost millions) that guarantees home mortgages. Gingrich has said he acted as a historian, not a lobbyist”. A “historian”, is that the history of greed? He may just sell you a book on it!
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
9:54 pm
When people leave the corporation it dies.
Legally speaking it goes on until it is dissolved.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
9:59 pm
Err stinky racist,
I’m sorry you despise your fellow Americans so much. There is a cure for that.
Check in at the airport. They can find some place that you will love.
Have fun. We’ll miss you..
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
10:02 pm
@Linda
January 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Somewhere@5:39, The NAACP is still the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Only blacks can still call themselves colored. What if whites called blacks colored? What if there was a National Association for the Advancement of White (or any other color) People? It’s hypocrisy.
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There is that smell again.
Sniff Sniff
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Ignorance.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:05 pm
HillBilly D
Illegally speaking, most anything that has been dead long enough is “dissolved”.
Now you see why I am not a lawyer..
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:15 pm
cb,
You seem to believe everything you read.
Ethics charges against Gingrich? How many became Indictments? How many were made by democrats?
So Dr. Gingrich made money working as a historian. That is what he is. Even some lawyers make $200 an hour so I expect a well known historian could equal that. I don’t like Freddie & Fannie either. But Gingrich was an advisor, not the manager or CEOs for them. His payment was a “drop in the $$ bucket” compared to what the CEOs there made.
He has already written a book. If not, read his PhD thesis.
I know Gingrich is not perfect but tell the truth about him instead of swallowing every propaganda piece you read. There’s plenty to read about Obama if you like that kind of stuff.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
10:16 pm
Mr. Stench@10:02, Yes, I think I smell it, the blacks’ stench of racism & their odor of ignorance.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
10:18 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
9:59 pm
Err stinky racist,
I’m sorry you despise your fellow Americans so much. There is a cure for that.
Check in at the airport. They can find some place that you will love.
Have fun. We’ll miss you..
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Parlez-vous francais …?
Bon voyage
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
10:30 pm
The Georgia Railroad Company was founded in 1833 to build a railroad from the city of Augusta to the interior of Georgia. In 1835, it became the Georgia Railroad and Banking Company. In 1881, it leased out its railroad properties and the next year split off its bank as a subsidiary called Georgia Railroad Bank. In 1929, it became the Georgia Railroad Bank & Trust Company, which was acquired in 1954 by the First Railroad & Banking Company of Georgia. In 1982, this company sold off its railroad business. In 1986, it merged with the First Union Corporation. And in 2001, First Union merged with Wachovia Corporation.
So the Georgia Railroad Company of 1833 never died. It lives on, stealthily, in today’s Wachovia Corporation.
The ariticle isn’t really about the topic of corporations living on but it does touch on it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/214677/corporations-never-die/peter-wood
Linda
January 17th, 2012
10:30 pm
Here we are, the day after the MLK, Jr. memorial. The only racists left in the US are just a few old black men. We have evolved, thanks to our youth. The majority of them see no skin color. As time goes by, there are no prejudices. Only the older generations of black men keep trying to stir up racial divides.
These same old black men have tried to hijack the legacy of MLK.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:31 pm
Stinky,
You aint no Frenchman but enjoy!
The French will put up with anything.
But watch it. I think they still have THE GUILLOTINE!
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
10:31 pm
Linda @7:55 pm:” MarkV@5:23, The difference is that I use @#t & you accuse those who disagree with you with explicit vile words. “
Linda, if I could be still amazed by your hypocrisy and lack of intelligencer, I would be now, but I nom longer can. So in your thinking replacing some letters in a crude word means that is has lost its crudeness? You expect anybody to believe it?
In your post the day before yesterday you listed the meticulously collected word I have used in that blog. Here I have copied them:
“…has some sense…” 1:“…ignorance…ignorant…” “Again, ignorant display…” “,,,If you are able to learn…” “…exist only to the ignorant fantasies of people like you…” “…people who know how to present falsehoods & stupidities. With your miniscule brainpower you failed to notice…keep your idiocies…” “…unable to understand even simple things…people like you who distort…stupid attacks…liars like you…” “…distortions & lies…” “…your inability to understand…”
Let’s compare my expressions with those over the same weekend blog coming from people you have praised and never scolded:
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…: “all the dimwit socialists that infest this blog”weirdos out there” “uses this blog to spread his filth, disease and natural inbred liberal perversions” “obozo wants to be a Jesus Freak“ ”Betcha when the libs call him on it, he’ll tell the sodomites that he didn’t listen,” “Freakin weirdos.”
Michael H. Smith: “obumer” “obozo” “obumer’s down sizing” “obumer’s demagogue version” “New and Improved Wall Street obumer” “ primitive sounds made by a common Vladimir Lenin species of useful idiot maggot as it is beginning to morph into another drab mundane Marxist garbage pile gnat.”
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!: “creepy reliance” “try some psychological help,” “No wonder you’re so screwed up in the head” ”saying that MarkV is intellectually dishonest is a redundant statement” “he’s borderline psychotic as well” “particularly creepy responses” “your particular psychotic behavior.”
Lil’ Barry Bailout (revised Downward): “Idiot Obozo” “Your liberal fascist klown Obozo” “Your klown prince Obozo” “Klown Prince Obozo” “Obozo” “Evict the America-hating vermin from our Senate and White House” “Obozo” “ Obozo: Phony. Liar” “Obozo receptacles: Idiots.
Now tell us, Linda, who is rude&crude? Who uses “vile words?”And who is the worst hypocrite on this blog? You are.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
10:40 pm
Dusty @9:38 pm
“Corporations are invisible without people. Invisible=nothing. When people leave the corporation it dies.”
I am afraid you still do not understand my point. So let’s take another example. A church (in the meaning of a particular one in a location) is not “people,” even though if people left it would die. A congregation in that church, the members, they are people.
“Bush has 9 months to stop attacks by terrorists.. Clinton had 8 years. Now, you figure who had the most opportunites to stop terrorism.”
And you have figured it out? Well, my hat down for you. You know when Clinton was in any position to do something about this particular plot? We all know that Bush was warned, and did nothing. I will leave the assigning of the blame to historians.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:40 pm
Hillbilly D,
You are correct. Old banks never die, they just fade away. (Thank you, General MacArthur.)
That info was interesting.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
10:45 pm
Linda,
P.S. We have mostly finches and cardinals now using the birdbaths. There are plenty of other birds, but they come mostly to get food from our feeders and bird cakes.
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
10:55 pm
Dusty
When corporations first started in this country, they were chartered by the government, for a specific purpose for a specific time. To say build the Erie Canal, etc. They were supposed to build the project, being protected in a very risky endeavor and then dissolve when the project was done. The people running them very quickly saw how they could be used to their advantage if they expanded their power. They spent the mid and late 1800’s gaining that power and consolidating it.
Back when in the days of the British East India Company, etc, which worked pretty much the same way, the Queen granted the charter and had the right to take it away, if things didn’t go to suit. There’s no restraint like that now. The big ones can do as they please.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
11:00 pm
MarkV
I guess that you are talking about material things and I am talking about living things. For example, your analogy with churches does not always apply. Many churches have outdoor services without a building in sight. They also have retreats and volunteer trips. Yes, their home church is a building but the people of the church are what makes it into a place of worship and inspiration. Without them, the building is just that, building material.
As to 9/11, Clinton was forewarned in many ways by actual attacks.that terrorism was aimed at Americans. Bush received one warning from one man in the security section of our country. There was no great effort by the CIA, FBI, or foreign security that an eminent attack was approaching. There was no actual info as to what the attack was going to be. What was Bush supposed to do? Pick a country from the MIddle East and bomb it? Clinton tried that and it did not work.
I don’t think any president should be declared guilty because he could not read the minds of terrorists. Claims have been made that FDR was warned about Pearl Harbor. Now there is an effort to blame Bush for 9/11 ,
Presdents cannot afford to be mind readers. They have to have concrete information. They cannot go on “somebody said” as a basis for attack. Thank goodness we have had presidents that know that.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
11:00 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:31 pm
Stinky,
You aint no Frenchman but enjoy!
The French will put up with anything.
But watch it. I think they still have THE GUILLOTINE!
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Vous estes un idiot floraison.
Vous estes un raciste.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
11:15 pm
But Hillbilly D,
Big businesses still go out of business, don’t they? We don’t have kings and queens to grant charters, but we have Congress and innumerable government regulations that mostly hinder business (so ’tis said). Should we add more regulations and watchdog committees? I hope not.
I think we might have cleared out the elephantiasis of big business. But Bush tried a little and then Obama went overboard not only rescuing them but financing them into an expensive mess.
I do hope our next president exhibits better financial directions for our country. The present one is not savy, to say the least.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
11:15 pm
Dusty,
My mail at 10:45 was meant for you, not Linda. Sorry.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
11:20 pm
Stinky,
I took French for two years to no avail. But it does not take a Rhodes Scholar to translate your simple thoughts.
Et tu, Brute! I also took Latin. Au revoir, mon “ami”…..
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
January 17th, 2012
11:23 pm
carlosgvv
January 17th, 2012
12:46 pm
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Whoever spoofed carlosgvv’s good name should be ashamed of themselves for spewing such know-nothing liberal fascist nonsense. Go back to your Obozo receptacle meeting.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
11:24 pm
Dusty @11:00 pm
No I am not talking about materials things vs. living things. I am talking about what is the meaning of the word “people.” It is not a building + people, or a factory + people, or anything else material + people, it is just people. Even if a church does not have a building, it is a church, something different from just “people.”
As for 9/11, I wont argue that. It has no relevance to now, As I said, I will leave that to historians.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
January 17th, 2012
11:26 pm
Why are Democrats obsessed with race?
Republicans don’t care about it, and believe that everyone should be treated equally.
It’s really that simple.
Democrats: Racists.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
11:33 pm
Ah Mark V,
So that’s where all my birds went when they up and left. Well, I don’t blame them . I don’t like cold water showers either. Brrr…
My solar power must not be working much. I do have plenty of food for my feathered friends.
I’ll send you one of my nightime ‘possum visitors if you will send back the birds. Deal?
Getting late. So I will say…G’nite..
PS…Newt Gingrich is a historian if you need one. Now smile!!!
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
January 18th, 2012
6:02 am
Awww – now a corporation is a person AND a church, Somebody get Dusty her crayons and see if she wants to color a picture for us.
@@
January 18th, 2012
7:23 am
ROMNEY: We all would like to have super PACs disappear, to tell you the truth. Wouldn’t it nice to have people give what they would like to to campaigns and campaigns could run their own ads and take responsibility for them?
Newt beat Romney to the punch two days prior on Huckabee’s Q&A.
Romney’s slow.
schnirt
K C
January 18th, 2012
7:32 am
Let’s keep our folks on the Democrat plantation! They can’t take care of theirselves! Read your history!
independent thinker
January 18th, 2012
8:02 am
What’s wrong with Newt’s idea of requiring Black high school students to be janitors at below minimum wages?????It teaches them how to be successful at well paying jobs doesn’t it?. More brain flatulance from Newt.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
8:25 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
January 17th, 2012
11:26 pm
Why are Democrats obsessed with race?
Republicans don’t care about it, and believe that everyone should be treated equally.
It’s really that simple.
Democrats: Racists.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
The Republican candidates have been VOMITING racist remarks all over the TV.
Newt, Rick, Mitt, Perry and Ron Paul have the stench of racism spewing out of their souls.
They are all STINKING UP AMERICA and they will pay dearly.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
8:31 am
@K C
January 18th, 2012
7:32 am
Let’s keep our folks on the Democrat plantation! They can’t take care of theirselves! Read your history!
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YOUR folks maybe on the Democratic planation. THAT IS THEIR FAULT.
My folks can take care of THEMSELVES (NOT THEIRSELVES – bad grammar).
You need to read “HOW TO SPEAK CORRECT ENGLISH” before you can criticize others.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
8:39 am
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
11:20 pm
Stinky,
I took French for two years to no avail. But it does not take a Rhodes Scholar to translate your simple thoughts.
Et tu, Brute! I also took Latin. Au revoir, mon “ami”…..
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I am NOT impressed.
Every 8th grader I KNOW can speak more french and latin than (Et tu, Brute! Au revoir, mon “ami”).
UGA 1999
January 18th, 2012
9:32 am
They should air a debate with Newt and Obama on PPV. I would pay to see that whipping!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
January 18th, 2012
9:45 am
“The Republican candidates have been VOMITING racist remarks all over the TV”
———
Link please.
Didn’t think so.
Racist liar.
Uncle Jed
January 18th, 2012
9:52 am
UGA 1999
January 18th, 2012
9:32 am
They should air a debate with Newt and Obama on PPV. I would pay to see that whipping!
+++++++++++++
Yep. I would even be okay if Obama were allowed an inner-ear device for real-time coaching. Newt would still spank the King and his Court.
Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
10:03 am
“Why are Democrats obsessed with race?”
Because they can’t run on real issues and they like to divide people.
Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
10:03 am
“The Republican candidates have been VOMITING racist remarks all over the TV.”
Like what?
Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
10:04 am
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy = God Hates Trash Superstar
Dude, get a life.
MarkV
January 18th, 2012
10:22 am
Dusty January 17th, 2012@11:33 pm
Thank you very kindly, I appreciate your offer, but we have enough nighttime visitors. Possums, raccoons. We used to be overrun by raccoons, before we learned to safeguard every edible thing thoroughly, but some are still coming..
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
10:57 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
January 18th, 2012
9:45 am
“The Republican candidates have been VOMITING racist remarks all over the TV”
———
Link please.
Didn’t think so.
Racist liar.
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LINK PLEASE……that is your usual response.
If you watched the debate in SC you heard Newt spewing racist vomit that stunk up the place.
Whew! Stinky stinky Newt.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
11:00 am
@Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
10:03 am
“Why are Democrats obsessed with race?”
Because they can’t run on real issues and they like to divide people.
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POT calling the KETTLE black?
Newt can’t run on the issues.
All he does is STINK up the place with his RACIST remarks about blacks.
HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
11:04 am
@Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
10:03 am
“The Republican candidates have been VOMITING racist remarks all over the TV.”
Like what?
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YOU PEOPLE need to stop acting retarded like you don’t know.
Obviously you did not watch the SC dabate.
There was so much STENCH of racism and the FOUL odor of Hate that it filled the room and airways with rotted rhetoric and lies.
I can still smell the stinch of hate.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
11:06 am
@Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
10:04 am
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy = God Hates Trash Superstar
Dude, get a life.
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I have a life.
Do you?
Obviously you don’t have one.
Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
11:06 am
“LINK PLEASE……that is your usual response.”
Ok so you can’t back up your lie with actual facts.
Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
11:07 am
“All he does is STINK up the place with his RACIST remarks about blacks”
Stop lying.
Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
11:07 am
“Obviously you don’t have one.”
There’s your sign.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
11:10 am
@Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
10:03 am
“The Republican candidates have been VOMITING racist remarks all over the TV.” Like what?
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HEY SOMEWHERE OVER THERE Independent Thinker knows what.
independent thinker
January 18th, 2012
8:02 am
What’s wrong with Newt’s idea of requiring Black high school students to be janitors at below minimum wages?????It teaches them how to be successful at well paying jobs doesn’t it?. More brain flatulance from Newt.
NOW WHAT?
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
11:12 am
@Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
11:06 am
“LINK PLEASE……that is your usual response.”
Ok so you can’t back up your lie with actual facts.
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USUAL RESPONSE
Do us all a favor Boy and go play in traffic.
You will be ONE LESS idiot to deal with.
Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
11:14 am
“Do us all a favor Boy and go play in traffic.
You will be ONE LESS idiot to deal with.”
Kyle, kind of junk is what ruins blogs. Could you please ban that guy again?
Thanks
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
11:18 am
@Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
11:07 am
“All he does is STINK up the place with his RACIST remarks about blacks”
Stop lying.
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You don’t give up do you?
NEITHER DO I !
What is that PUTRID smell?
Oh, its that stench of racism and the funky odor of hatred coming from somewhere over there .
.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 18th, 2012
11:22 am
@Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
11:14 am
“Do us all a favor Boy and go play in traffic.
You will be ONE LESS idiot to deal with.”
Kyle, kind of junk is what ruins blogs. Could you please ban that guy again?
Thanks
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Folks this is what these people do. This is what happens when these people get angry because you won’t bow down to them.
When they don’t agree with you and you confront them with the same intensity they ban together and have you banished for speaking your opinion.
If this is AMERICA we are all in trouble.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
January 18th, 2012
11:37 am
Stinky: If you watched the debate in SC you heard Newt spewing racist vomit that stunk up the place.
———
Quote one of them.
Didn’t think so.
Racist liar.
Somewhere over there
January 18th, 2012
11:44 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
That troll is some piece of work. Better to let Kyle ban him then to get tangled up in an argument. He reminds me of the unibomber.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
January 18th, 2012
12:07 pm
Somewhere, I wouldn’t ban Stinky from the blog. He / she / it serves a useful purpose in showing us the darker side of liberal “thought”. They can’t run on the issues, so they race bait and deflect from the real issues using race.
Nat Turner
January 18th, 2012
1:25 pm
If Kyle bans him, then he is a hypocrite. Lil’Barry Bailout is the biggest troll, and let’s him write all sorts of vile things on Kyle’s blog.
Lil’ Barry should have been banned months ago. But he is a conservative and a Republican, so I doubt he would.
Nat Turner
January 18th, 2012
1:26 pm
As for Republicans not caring about race, that’s the biggest joke I have read today. Wasn’t somebody just talking about blacks having a slave mentality the other day? That they strive to do only so much, and the rest given to them.
Uh-huh, whatever.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
January 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
Lil’Barry Bailout is the biggest troll, and let’s him write all sorts of vile things on Kyle’s blog.
————–
Name one.
Didn’t think so.
Liar.
Nat Turner
January 18th, 2012
4:31 pm
I love chin-checking. Here is not just one, but four of your finest:
Lil’ Barry Bailout
July 24th, 2010
5:25 am
It’s over in November, Democrat fascists.
Lil’ Barry Bailout
July 26th, 2011
5:07 pm
Remember back during the campaign when the Idiot Messiah and his receptacles were bragging about how the Wall Street types were donating more cash to his campaign than to McCain’s?
Haven’t heard much about that lately, have we?
Idiot Messiah: Hypocrite.
Lil’ Barry Bailout
July 26th, 2011
6:44 pm
Note that the truly great speeches didn’t require a teleprompter. The speakers were intelligent enough and passionate enough to SPEAK, not READ. Your Idiot Messiah pees his pants and starts talking about “spreading the wealth” when he doesn’t have his crutch to lean on. Makes his handlers nervous!
Nat Turner
January 18th, 2012
4:35 pm
Here is the fourth one that got cut off:
Lil’ Barry Bailout
May 29th, 2011
4:35 pm
BTW, I learned today that my Dad’s health care plan was discontinued thanks to Obozocare. Whatever happened to “if you like your plan, you can keep it”?
Idiot Messiah: Liar. But we knew that.
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