2012 Tuesday: Newt on work, and the scourge of super PACs
By the time we’ve reached the third state in the Republican primary process and are witnessing the umpteenth debate, expectations for hearing something novel at one of these forums are pretty low. A debate at this stage might be best compared to a NASCAR race — in which a sizable segment of the audience is watching in case there’s a wreck — or a heavyweight boxing match — in which many viewers are hoping to see one guy deliver a knockout blow to another.
Nevertheless, Monday night’s debate in Myrtle Beach was notable for two moments. One came when debate panelist Juan Williams asked Newt Gingrich if he could see that Gingrich’s past comments about work ethic and food stamps are “viewed, at a minimum, as insulting to all Americans, but particularly to black Americans,” and the former speaker responded with a flat “No” — and proceeded to rip apart the meme bit by bit:
The other one came after a verbal brawl among the candidates about the charges leveled by various candidates’ “super PACs” toward other candidates. Mitt Romney suggested the problem lies with the campaign-finance laws that led to the creation of super PACs in the first place:
ROMNEY: We all would like to have super PACs disappear, to tell you the truth. Wouldn’t it nice to have people give what they would like to to campaigns and campaigns could run their own ads and take responsibility for them? But you know what, this campaign is not about ads, it’s about issues.
DEBATE MODERATOR BRET BAIER: So, Governor Romney, in the general election, if you are the nominee you would like to see Super PACs ended?
ROMNEY: Oh, I would like to get rid of the campaign finance laws that were put in place — McCain-Feingold is a disaster, get rid of it. Let people make contributions they want to make to campaigns, let campaigns then take responsibility for their own words and not have this strange situation we have people out there who support us, who run ads we don’t like, we would like to take off the air, they are outrageous and yet they are out there supporting us and by law we aren’t allowed to talk to them.
I haven’t spoken to any of the people involved in my super PAC in months, and this is outrageous. Candidates should have the responsibility and the right to manage the ads that are being run on their behalf. I think this has to change.
Now, many observers are skeptical about the actual lack of coordination between campaigns and super PACs and believe the Chinese wall is more like a leaky dike without the little Dutch boy. But we are only having this discussion about whether campaigns talk to super PACs because the effort to “get the money out of politics” only led to less accountability. Romney is right: It would be better to eliminate, or at least raise, the government-imposed limits on contributions; have clear and immediate transparency about contributions; let candidates defend their decisions to take money from whoever is giving it to them; and let voters make up their minds.
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P.S. – At this point, some of you will ask why I take this position on campaign finance while advocating a limit on gifts from lobbyists to our state legislators. Let me explain, briefly.
As the Supreme Court recognizes, contributions to candidates are a manifestation of political speech, which in our political system must be protected vigilantly. And as Richard Cohen details well, campaign contributions are sometimes the best, or only, way for those opposed to the current political leaders to bring about a change. (One problem with moving totally toward public financing of campaigns is that, in the name of not wasting taxpayer dollars, there inevitably will be thresholds of support that candidates must clear to qualify for public funds — and history teaches us that elected officials set such thresholds to minimize competition, not increase it.)
Political campaigns cost money to run, and it is appropriate that Americans be able to help finance the campaign of a candidate they support. While some people — including, it seems, Romney — support eliminating limits completely, it strikes me as more prudent to increase the limit first and, after examining the results, determine whether it makes sense to keep moving in that direction.
Lawmaking, on the other hand, does not require financial contributions, particularly ones that come in the form of dinners, tickets to sporting events and concerts, or travel. In the vast majority of cases, there is no reason a lobbyist can’t communicate the same point about legislation without buying something for the legislator. For those cases when circumstances dictate otherwise, modest expenses covered by a cap of perhaps $100 should suffice to avoid incriminating people unnecessarily. And I am open to discussion about where the limit should be set in order to minimize such unnecessary problems and to avoid creating new problems as much as is practical.
(Note that we are not talking about the right of a person, group or company to spend money to hire people and pay those employees’ expenses to make said point. That, not gifts, would be the appropriate analogy to campaign contributions when it comes to political speech; lobbying per se is not a problem.)
– By Kyle Wingfield
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TRUTH
January 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
Bogus. Newt is a KNOWN liar and cheat. He has no moral fiber and is clearly in this to make money. A newt presidency? Seriously?
Face it Kyle, no matter how you try and try to spin it, the GOP is in a very precarious spot. They have gone SO far to the right, they’ve alienated moderate conservatives (er, like the majority of the country.) I am a Democrat and I always believe in solid ideas from both parties that move our country forward, for the greater good. What has been assembled to represent the GOP is truly sad.
GO OBAMA 2012!!
Republicans….you really need to go and get your ish together….
Kyle Wingfield
January 17th, 2012
6:31 pm
Actually, John, if you watched the video, you know that Newt said his daughter’s first job was doing janitorial work at a church.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
6:49 pm
A debate at this stage might be best compared to a NASCAR race — in which a sizable segment of the audience is watching in case there’s a wreck — or a heavyweight boxing match — in which many viewers are hoping to see one guy deliver a knockout blow to another.
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Sounds like a bunch of cannibals ready to feast on RED MEAT.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
6:54 pm
@Somewhere over there
January 17th, 2012
12:59 pm
“Predatory Capitalism”
What is predatory capitalism?
If someone falls victim to that imaginary scenario they never should have graduated high school.
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My 12 year old knows what predatory capitalism is.
Don’t insult our intelligence because your environment does not comprehend that notion.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
6:56 pm
@jconservative
January 17th, 2012
1:18 pm
When are we going to let corporations vote?
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When pigs FLY.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
January 17th, 2012
6:59 pm
Why are Obama-haters so stupid?
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:15 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
1:57 pm
The more I read about Gingrich the more I think we need him in Washington. Not as president but as a mover & shaker of the old setup.
Gingrich can hit the nail on the head that nobody likes but are afraid to strike. He’s a fighter who can land a blow. There are not many that can or will do the needed fighting.
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Gingrich a mover & shaker of the old setup. heeheehee
The thought of Newt moving and shaking his flabby behind makes me nauseous.
The only nail Newt is going to hit is the one in his coffin when his candidacy is dead.
Last night was the NAIL on the head. His. Or the straw that broke his back..
Uncle Jed
January 17th, 2012
7:15 pm
Obama now has a record. He also has experience in the office. In categories that matter the most to most contributing citizens, Obama is the top cat in a failed administration. Americans identify themselves as conservative in numbers far in excess of those self-identifying as liberals. The so-called independents are therefore more conservative than liberal. Obama will not be re-elected.
Santa Klausen
January 17th, 2012
7:24 pm
OBAMA 2012: Because it’s still your father’s country.
Romney 2012: He looks like Herman Munster, man, I mean, come on.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:26 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
2:27 pm
. Gingrich is no shining example of “proper” living but he is able to state his case with determination. I have no doubt he loves this country just as much as the best to be found..
There’s something to be said for all that.
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What is that smell? Phew! Phew! Sniff Sniff
Thats the foul odor of hypocrisy sprinkled with the stench of racism talking.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:28 pm
@lil’ barry food stamps
January 17th, 2012
4:02 pm
Barack Hussein Obama America’s Food Stamp President.
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You should know. hehehehehehehe
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:33 pm
@Linda
January 17th, 2012
4:16 pm
Liberals think if they continue to repeat lies (Including distortions & omissions) enough times, the conservatives will eventually believe them. Just because it worked on them does not mean it will ever work on us.
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You say – “Just because it worked on them does not mean it will ever work on us.”
Thank you for admitting the truth for ONCE. That conservatives are LIARS.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:38 pm
@JF McNamara
January 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
Here is what Newt said,
Why bring up African Americans specifically? Aren’t there far, far more white people on food stamps (Yes). Does the fact that the elections are heading South play into that? African Americans aren’t stupid. We understand what Newt is doing…
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Newt was feeding red meat to the animals last night.
They were out for blood and Newt provided the refreshments.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:43 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
4:22 pm
getalife,
I hope you will approve Obama’s disappearing act.
People are already applauding.
Gonna be great!!
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Poof………….you are now invisible all we can hear are your gums flapping.
Applauds Applauds Applauds
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
7:46 pm
Read the last ten comments on this blog if you are wondering how the Occupy Wall Street protests became such foul, disease ridden grotesque displays of perversion that even their mothers were offended and wretched in disgust.
Can we get some Clorox sprayed around here, please?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
7:48 pm
One thing I will credit your average left wing sodomite with, they do keep the sanitation department workers loaded with overtime pay.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:51 pm
@Linda
January 17th, 2012
4:31 pm
The GOP candidates are pointing out what HAS happened during the Obama administration. Of all the pundits, analysts, etc., it was Peggy Joseph who best predicted on 10/31/08 what WOULD happen during the Obama administration.
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Is Peggy Joseph a millionaire like Mitt? If not she is an imposter.
She should be if she can predict the future.
Ask her what are the lottery numbers this weekend for Mega Millions and Win For Life.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:54 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
January 17th, 2012
7:46 pm
Read the last ten comments on this blog if you are wondering how the Occupy Wall Street protests became such foul, disease ridden grotesque displays of perversion that even their mothers were offended and wretched in disgust.
Can we get some Clorox sprayed around here, please?
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It is going to take MR. CLEAN to rid the air of The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy.
You can’t SPRAY THAT AWAY.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
7:55 pm
MarkV@5:23, The difference is that I use @#t & you accuse those who disagree with you with explicit vile words. Were you bullied in school & feel the need to reciprocate in your adult life? You are an adult, aren’t you?
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
7:56 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
January 17th, 2012
7:48 pm
One thing I will credit your average left wing sodomite with, they do keep the sanitation department workers loaded with overtime pay.
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At least some of us are helping others why some of you are stinking up the country with The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy.
Sniff Sniff Sniff
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
January 17th, 2012
8:02 pm
Curly, methinks thou dost protest too much on the whole “sodomite” thing. Weren’t you in the Navy?
Anyhow, whine away little buddy.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
8:05 pm
See how the sodomites know who I’m talking about?
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
8:09 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
January 17th, 2012
8:05 pm
See how the sodomites know who I’m talking about?
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We can’t handle the truth.
Stop whinning and MAN UP.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
8:23 pm
Stench/ Foul Odor- Enjoy the interaction because I normally do not discourse with the pathetically lame and dumb. I kinda feel sorry for ya.
But now it seems as though I have gotten over the sympathy and I have returned to revulsion.
ew
buh bye, turd blossom.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 17th, 2012
8:26 pm
See, and you thought only Romney knew how to pander to the weak minded.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Somewhere@5:39, The NAACP is still the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Only blacks can still call themselves colored. What if whites called blacks colored? What if there was a National Association for the Advancement of White (or any other color) People? It’s hypocrisy.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
8:52 pm
Truth@6:28, I compare Democrats & Republicans from the spectrum of a clock, with 12:00 being the dividing line, with Democrats on the left & Republicans on the right, with liberals being the most left-wing at 9 o’clock & conservatives being the most right-wing at 3 o’clock.
Obama was considered the most liberal member of the senate, even more liberal than the self-admitted socialist from Vermont.
If the Dem. party can elect a president who is a self-admitted progressive (socialist/Marxist) , the most liberal Senator in the Senate & a 9:00 o’clock Democrat, why can’t the Republican Party elect a really right-wing conservative?
Linda
January 17th, 2012
9:13 pm
Mr. Stench@7:51, You asked if Peggy Joseph was a millionaire like Mitt. Why don’t you click on the cite & answer that for yourself? Maybe she’s an imposter like Obama. If she’s a gambler, maybe she & Obama have a lot in common.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
9:38 pm
Well, let’s see. First a little air spray to clear the air. Now…that’s better..
MarkV;;
Corporations are invisible without people. Invisible=nothing. When people leave the corporation it dies.
Bush has 9 months to stop attacks by terrorists.. Clinton had 8 years. Now, you figure who had the most opportunites to stop terrorism.
HEATED BIRD BATHS??? I won’t even ask about the dog house. I’m impressed. Wait until the birds around here hear about heated bird baths. My patio will probably be bombed (with you know what)!!
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
9:49 pm
John,
I have already mentioned that Bush had only 9 months to stop 9/11. Clinton had 8 years.
Clinton did make an effort. Bombed a pharmaceutical plant and an empty training camp. It did not stop the attack on the Cole or those on African embassies. But he did make some effort..
As to Romney “killing” a company, you really think a business group would “kill” a business if it were alive and thriving? NO, they would not. They only hasten an inevitable process already going downhill. The people were removed and the company died. Think about it.
cb
January 17th, 2012
9:52 pm
Eighty-four ethics charges were filed against Speaker Gingrich during his term, including claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes. However we say it, Mr. Gingrich is all about the money. In a recent story, “Gingrich was ask to return the estimated $1.6 million he received for providing strategic advice to Freddie Mac, the quasi-government agency (an agency that has lost millions) that guarantees home mortgages. Gingrich has said he acted as a historian, not a lobbyist”. A “historian”, is that the history of greed? He may just sell you a book on it!
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
9:54 pm
When people leave the corporation it dies.
Legally speaking it goes on until it is dissolved.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
9:59 pm
Err stinky racist,
I’m sorry you despise your fellow Americans so much. There is a cure for that.
Check in at the airport. They can find some place that you will love.
Have fun. We’ll miss you..
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
10:02 pm
@Linda
January 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Somewhere@5:39, The NAACP is still the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Only blacks can still call themselves colored. What if whites called blacks colored? What if there was a National Association for the Advancement of White (or any other color) People? It’s hypocrisy.
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There is that smell again.
Sniff Sniff
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Ignorance.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:05 pm
HillBilly D
Illegally speaking, most anything that has been dead long enough is “dissolved”.
Now you see why I am not a lawyer..
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:15 pm
cb,
You seem to believe everything you read.
Ethics charges against Gingrich? How many became Indictments? How many were made by democrats?
So Dr. Gingrich made money working as a historian. That is what he is. Even some lawyers make $200 an hour so I expect a well known historian could equal that. I don’t like Freddie & Fannie either. But Gingrich was an advisor, not the manager or CEOs for them. His payment was a “drop in the $$ bucket” compared to what the CEOs there made.
He has already written a book. If not, read his PhD thesis.
I know Gingrich is not perfect but tell the truth about him instead of swallowing every propaganda piece you read. There’s plenty to read about Obama if you like that kind of stuff.
Linda
January 17th, 2012
10:16 pm
Mr. Stench@10:02, Yes, I think I smell it, the blacks’ stench of racism & their odor of ignorance.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
10:18 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
9:59 pm
Err stinky racist,
I’m sorry you despise your fellow Americans so much. There is a cure for that.
Check in at the airport. They can find some place that you will love.
Have fun. We’ll miss you..
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Parlez-vous francais …?
Bon voyage
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
10:30 pm
The Georgia Railroad Company was founded in 1833 to build a railroad from the city of Augusta to the interior of Georgia. In 1835, it became the Georgia Railroad and Banking Company. In 1881, it leased out its railroad properties and the next year split off its bank as a subsidiary called Georgia Railroad Bank. In 1929, it became the Georgia Railroad Bank & Trust Company, which was acquired in 1954 by the First Railroad & Banking Company of Georgia. In 1982, this company sold off its railroad business. In 1986, it merged with the First Union Corporation. And in 2001, First Union merged with Wachovia Corporation.
So the Georgia Railroad Company of 1833 never died. It lives on, stealthily, in today’s Wachovia Corporation.
The ariticle isn’t really about the topic of corporations living on but it does touch on it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/214677/corporations-never-die/peter-wood
Linda
January 17th, 2012
10:30 pm
Here we are, the day after the MLK, Jr. memorial. The only racists left in the US are just a few old black men. We have evolved, thanks to our youth. The majority of them see no skin color. As time goes by, there are no prejudices. Only the older generations of black men keep trying to stir up racial divides.
These same old black men have tried to hijack the legacy of MLK.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:31 pm
Stinky,
You aint no Frenchman but enjoy!
The French will put up with anything.
But watch it. I think they still have THE GUILLOTINE!
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
10:31 pm
Linda @7:55 pm:” MarkV@5:23, The difference is that I use @#t & you accuse those who disagree with you with explicit vile words. “
Linda, if I could be still amazed by your hypocrisy and lack of intelligencer, I would be now, but I nom longer can. So in your thinking replacing some letters in a crude word means that is has lost its crudeness? You expect anybody to believe it?
In your post the day before yesterday you listed the meticulously collected word I have used in that blog. Here I have copied them:
“…has some sense…” 1:“…ignorance…ignorant…” “Again, ignorant display…” “,,,If you are able to learn…” “…exist only to the ignorant fantasies of people like you…” “…people who know how to present falsehoods & stupidities. With your miniscule brainpower you failed to notice…keep your idiocies…” “…unable to understand even simple things…people like you who distort…stupid attacks…liars like you…” “…distortions & lies…” “…your inability to understand…”
Let’s compare my expressions with those over the same weekend blog coming from people you have praised and never scolded:
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…: “all the dimwit socialists that infest this blog”weirdos out there” “uses this blog to spread his filth, disease and natural inbred liberal perversions” “obozo wants to be a Jesus Freak“ ”Betcha when the libs call him on it, he’ll tell the sodomites that he didn’t listen,” “Freakin weirdos.”
Michael H. Smith: “obumer” “obozo” “obumer’s down sizing” “obumer’s demagogue version” “New and Improved Wall Street obumer” “ primitive sounds made by a common Vladimir Lenin species of useful idiot maggot as it is beginning to morph into another drab mundane Marxist garbage pile gnat.”
Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!: “creepy reliance” “try some psychological help,” “No wonder you’re so screwed up in the head” ”saying that MarkV is intellectually dishonest is a redundant statement” “he’s borderline psychotic as well” “particularly creepy responses” “your particular psychotic behavior.”
Lil’ Barry Bailout (revised Downward): “Idiot Obozo” “Your liberal fascist klown Obozo” “Your klown prince Obozo” “Klown Prince Obozo” “Obozo” “Evict the America-hating vermin from our Senate and White House” “Obozo” “ Obozo: Phony. Liar” “Obozo receptacles: Idiots.
Now tell us, Linda, who is rude&crude? Who uses “vile words?”And who is the worst hypocrite on this blog? You are.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
10:40 pm
Dusty @9:38 pm
“Corporations are invisible without people. Invisible=nothing. When people leave the corporation it dies.”
I am afraid you still do not understand my point. So let’s take another example. A church (in the meaning of a particular one in a location) is not “people,” even though if people left it would die. A congregation in that church, the members, they are people.
“Bush has 9 months to stop attacks by terrorists.. Clinton had 8 years. Now, you figure who had the most opportunites to stop terrorism.”
And you have figured it out? Well, my hat down for you. You know when Clinton was in any position to do something about this particular plot? We all know that Bush was warned, and did nothing. I will leave the assigning of the blame to historians.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:40 pm
Hillbilly D,
You are correct. Old banks never die, they just fade away. (Thank you, General MacArthur.)
That info was interesting.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
10:45 pm
Linda,
P.S. We have mostly finches and cardinals now using the birdbaths. There are plenty of other birds, but they come mostly to get food from our feeders and bird cakes.
Hillbilly D
January 17th, 2012
10:55 pm
Dusty
When corporations first started in this country, they were chartered by the government, for a specific purpose for a specific time. To say build the Erie Canal, etc. They were supposed to build the project, being protected in a very risky endeavor and then dissolve when the project was done. The people running them very quickly saw how they could be used to their advantage if they expanded their power. They spent the mid and late 1800’s gaining that power and consolidating it.
Back when in the days of the British East India Company, etc, which worked pretty much the same way, the Queen granted the charter and had the right to take it away, if things didn’t go to suit. There’s no restraint like that now. The big ones can do as they please.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
11:00 pm
MarkV
I guess that you are talking about material things and I am talking about living things. For example, your analogy with churches does not always apply. Many churches have outdoor services without a building in sight. They also have retreats and volunteer trips. Yes, their home church is a building but the people of the church are what makes it into a place of worship and inspiration. Without them, the building is just that, building material.
As to 9/11, Clinton was forewarned in many ways by actual attacks.that terrorism was aimed at Americans. Bush received one warning from one man in the security section of our country. There was no great effort by the CIA, FBI, or foreign security that an eminent attack was approaching. There was no actual info as to what the attack was going to be. What was Bush supposed to do? Pick a country from the MIddle East and bomb it? Clinton tried that and it did not work.
I don’t think any president should be declared guilty because he could not read the minds of terrorists. Claims have been made that FDR was warned about Pearl Harbor. Now there is an effort to blame Bush for 9/11 ,
Presdents cannot afford to be mind readers. They have to have concrete information. They cannot go on “somebody said” as a basis for attack. Thank goodness we have had presidents that know that.
The Stench of Racism and the Foul Odor of Hypocrisy
January 17th, 2012
11:00 pm
@Dusty
January 17th, 2012
10:31 pm
Stinky,
You aint no Frenchman but enjoy!
The French will put up with anything.
But watch it. I think they still have THE GUILLOTINE!
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Vous estes un idiot floraison.
Vous estes un raciste.
Dusty
January 17th, 2012
11:15 pm
But Hillbilly D,
Big businesses still go out of business, don’t they? We don’t have kings and queens to grant charters, but we have Congress and innumerable government regulations that mostly hinder business (so ’tis said). Should we add more regulations and watchdog committees? I hope not.
I think we might have cleared out the elephantiasis of big business. But Bush tried a little and then Obama went overboard not only rescuing them but financing them into an expensive mess.
I do hope our next president exhibits better financial directions for our country. The present one is not savy, to say the least.
MarkV
January 17th, 2012
11:15 pm
Dusty,
My mail at 10:45 was meant for you, not Linda. Sorry.