Dear Georgia Senate: Drop the power struggle, get to work
It’s put up or shut up time in the Georgia Senate. As nothing new has been put up by the malcontents, you can see where I’m heading.
I refer to the 14-month-old dispute between Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle and the GOP senators who stripped him of most of his powers. Ordinarily, such an intramural power play would interest only the true political junkies. But the Senate’s cold war is getting hot enough to matter to ordinary Georgians.
Some background: Days after Cagle was re-elected in 2010, Senate Republicans resolved to change the chamber’s rules to put two of their own, Tommie Williams of Lyons and Chip Rogers of Woodstock, in charge. Cagle argued, not without merit, that a majority of Georgia’s voters thought they’d just elected him to lead the Senate. But he lost that debate.
The 2011 session moved along fairly smoothly almost until the end, when an alliance of Democrats and pro-Cagle Republicans made a move to restore the old order. It failed, as has a series of GOP truces since then. The most recent cease-fire was brokered Monday night by none other than Gov. Nathan Deal, only to be rejected about 12 hours later by a majority of senators.
Now, re-read those last four words: “a majority of senators.” Those words explain why this mess has gone on long enough.
Regardless of whose side one takes — and none of the actors are angels — the basic facts on the ground haven’t changed in 14 months: 1) a majority is needed to change the rules; and 2) a majority favors the current rules.
Period, paragraph, end of story.
Cagle and his allies had upward of nine months to assemble a majority; goodness knows they tried. If they had a majority, they would have changed the rules by now. They don’t, so they haven’t. Deal with it.
I don’t say this as a partisan of the anti-Cagle faction. I have no grudge against the lieutenant governor, nor any loyalty to Williams or Rogers. All three support issues I support. This isn’t personal.
Well, it isn’t personal for me. But it quite clearly is personal for them. And that’s where the interests of ordinary Georgians come in.
Lawmakers like to say they’re performing “the people’s business.” As long as they’re feuding in this way, they aren’t. The leadership struggle colors every matter that comes before the Senate, even ones on which the two sides agree, because every matter is a potential tool for gaining or keeping leverage. Georgians deserve to have those issues considered on their own merits.
At the same time, I’m not bemoaning the perceived lack of efficiency in the Senate. In a state government controlled wholly by one political party, a little inefficiency is no bad thing. (Republicans said these kinds of things back when Democrats were that party.)
Government, on any level, is best when changes in the law are thoroughly vetted and debated. So it also behooves Georgians if the process is slowed down somewhere along the way.
I understand Speaker David Ralston’s frustration when he complains about not having a counterpart who speaks for the Senate and can deliver its members. “We can’t have 36 different leaders, or however many they have on any particular day,” he lamented last April.
But “speaks for” and “deliver” can be statehouse code for “lords over” and “bully” — not always, but often enough to give an outside observer pause. (Let’s also note that a tougher-to-please Senate arguably gains power at the expense of the more spoken-for House, which also might bug Ralston.)
Unless facts on the ground change, the two sides would do right by Georgians to put their spat aside until sine die. And primary season.
Let Cagle and his allies recruit fellow Republicans to run against the thorns in their side (though I’d like to see how successful they’d be with a pitch that amounts to, “Vote for this guy, because he’d help put us and, er, the Democrats in charge”). Let Williams and Rogers field challengers to the holdouts in their caucus.
May it be a long, nasty primary season. Then, after November, may the winners hold the reins of power.
Until then, may all of them simply get to work.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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arnold
January 12th, 2012
5:18 am
I think the Georgia voters made a decision. How about honoring the voters.
Beth Merkleson
January 12th, 2012
5:54 am
Oh, Kyle, bless you for speaking out against that terrible, terrible man Casey Cagle. All this should be straightened out by grassroots organizing! How I wish I could do that—-If only I wasn’t busy with my dear mother, who is still in the world’s longest recovery from surgery.
I really must check in with my hero, Sen. Staton, when I find a few spare moments. He must think I’ve dropped off the face of the earth. Has anyone seen my Blackberry?
Karl Marx
January 12th, 2012
6:37 am
So we have Tommie Williams and Chip Rogers taking power from Cagle so tell me what is really different? I see no difference except now we have someone in a leadership position who takes out million dollar loans he can’t pay and never intended to pay back and now taxpayers are stuck with his bill. All 3 should be voted out of office except for the fact Democrats can’t get a dog catcher elected. Too bad too, see what we are stuck with now. Where are the old true Southern Democrats and not this new breed of radical socialist? Are they all now extinct?
The One, The Only, The Amazing GodHatesTrash!
January 12th, 2012
6:38 am
The Georgia Legislature. I hear they are filming new Heehaw episodes there.
Road Scholar
January 12th, 2012
7:06 am
“Vote for this guy, because he’d help put us and, er, the Democrats in charge”
With a minority, the Dems would never “be in charge”. But whatever happened to bipartisenship? Now, it doesn’t even exist within the Repub party. We elected each of the Senators to office…let them ALL do their jobs!
“Where are the old true Southern Democrats …”
They became Repubs!
Finally, HeeHaw was a comedy…our legislature is a tragedy!
ByteMe
January 12th, 2012
7:24 am
Kyle, I think you just argued for both the “let the spat continue to slow things down” and “let’s let the spat die so you can get to work” sides. Romney much?
JDW
January 12th, 2012
7:45 am
Meanwhile back at the ranch….
Georgia unemployment will exceed the national average for the 51st consecutive month.
Atlanta has no long-term water solution
Transportation woes continue to stifle the potential of the region
Education continues to languish at the bottom of the pile
But hey, “a little inefficiency is no bad thing”. Could you please pass the wild hog I have to get going…big golf trip with some…constituents, yeah that’s it constituents.
Beverly Fraud
January 12th, 2012
8:00 am
If this General Assembly really wants to balance the budget, they should sell sponsorship rights to the Gold Dome.
Yahoo would be a natural fit, as apparently you can’t swing a stick under the Gold Dome without hitting one, possibly several of them.
Karl Marx
January 12th, 2012
8:09 am
Road Scholar said ““Where are the old true Southern Democrats …”
They became Repubs!
That’s very true except we don’t call them Republicans, we call them RINOS. The real term we should be using besides traitor is BOZO’s. More big Government, more taxes, BOZO’s.
Mike
January 12th, 2012
8:17 am
I am with JDW. However there were some accomplishments. There is a new high occupancy lane which generates more money and more traffic in the other lanes. The high unemployment was helped by giving jobs to family members of the newly elected. Also now lottery players are paying for the kids of the more affluent to attend college. A long cry from the original HOPE intent. Tradition or not, someone needs to tell those state legislatures the negative effects of eating all that pork.
independent thinker
January 12th, 2012
8:40 am
think of the money the state could make if we put these guys in a circus tent with some animals and clown cars and charged admission!
Beverly Fraud
January 12th, 2012
8:42 am
“Education continues to languish at the bottom of the pile”
How can you say that JDW, when Georgia CONSISTENTLY ranks in the Top 50 states in educational achievement?
scrappy
January 12th, 2012
8:44 am
“1) a majority is needed to change the rules; and 2) a majority favors the current rules.”
Have to disagree here…. Isn’t this why we make “rules” or “laws” so the majority cannot bully the minority? Isn’t this why we have an election, voted on by the public, to decide who runs the senate?
Lets assume, and this is a huge assuption, that a GOP like Cagle is elected Lt. Gov (leader of Senate) and Democrats win enough to be a majority, does that mean they too can then make someone else the leader and ignore the election results?
Tom da bomb
January 12th, 2012
8:49 am
Kyle, you are misstating the facts again. A majority of senators do not support the current rules — a majority of the Republican senators do. That’s a whole different number and you are misleading your readers. If the matter ever reached the Senate floor for a vote, the 20 Democrats would team with the Cagle supporters, which really would be a majority of the ENTIRE SENATE.
Road Scholar
January 12th, 2012
8:49 am
ind thinker: I’d rather have a dunking booth; the satisfaction of hitting the target and putting them in the drink would be more entertaining…esp if the drink had aligators in it!
Lynn43
January 12th, 2012
8:53 am
I just can’t wait for the circus to begin when Chip Rogers and Tommie Williams are running for the governor’s office at the same time. I bet we will finally get the true picture of each of them. Each will reveal all the secrets and (illegal) tactics the other has done. What fun!
carlosgvv
January 12th, 2012
8:55 am
Kyle, this is a nice thought. However, if you truly believe Georgia politicians will ever stop struggling for power then I’ve got a nice oil well in Snellville I’ll be happy to sell you.
Ross Perot
January 12th, 2012
9:24 am
Did the Hatfield and McCoys move from Kentucky and take over the Golden Dome? They voters should get to view their “family tree” to make sure there is more than one branch on it…
Josie
January 12th, 2012
9:35 am
Kyle – you’re really far off on this one.
Your “majority of senators” was just the majority of Republican senators who were in the caucus room the other night. That means a dozen or so (what you call a majority) is speaking for the entire senate regarding the rules.
The current caucus has the senate in a headlock and won’t allow a motion to be made that would change it all. It would change today if Tommie Williams, Chip Rogers and Bill Cowsert weren’t blocking everything.
More evidence of that is how those three made a deal with the Governor and then reneged on it. It would have changed if they didn’t block the deal they agreed to.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
9:36 am
Power struggle….this just proves the Democrats cannot get along with anyone!
JDW
January 12th, 2012
9:38 am
@Mike…yes indeed I forgot about the “accomplishments” Georgia’s transition to a full on, small government Republican majority has wrought. Some others on the list include:
The acceptance of prayer (see Sonny Purdue) as a viable solution to our water ills…psssst that snicker is the rest of the country.
Protection from corporations that wish to embed microchips into us…presumably those are the Democratic leaning ones ’cause the Republican ones can get by with limited regulatory impact.
The ability to tote a gun most anywhere…on the list this years schools and airports. YEHAW bartender another round for everyone!
Legislation to “keep those foreigners” out of our state…let those crops rot in the fields who needs ‘em!
We now have the third strongest dog fighting law in the US!
Whew dodged that ethics reform thingy yet again…and again…and again…and again….
I am sure there is more but I need to go thank my lucky stars for our God Fearing Republican majority!
Bill Frankum
January 12th, 2012
9:38 am
Tommie Williams and Chip Rogers are the worst the Senate has to offer. What a joke. Cagle won statewide in a landslide – if those two jokers want to be in charge they should run for Lieutenant Governor.
Somali Republican
January 12th, 2012
9:39 am
Georgians make me feel so much at home.
Tealiban Party
January 12th, 2012
9:54 am
Kyle making excuses for a Republican do-nothing state government – big surprise. The Senate could no more effectively run a high school government, rather than the 9th largest state in the country. I am sure the 10% of Georgians without jobs right now are REALLY PLEASED with a “little inefficiency”.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
10:09 am
Tealiban Party….the 10% of unemployed are thrilled with Obama….Bring on November!
Kyle Wingfield
January 12th, 2012
10:14 am
Josie and Tom: I have little to no doubt that, if there were enough Republicans willing to break away and join with the Democrats to change the rules, they would find a way to bring the matter to the floor.
Kyle Wingfield
January 12th, 2012
10:20 am
JDW: As down as you tend to be on the Georgia Republicans’ ideas, I am surprised to see you taking up for their ability to push through those ideas with haste. Efficiency can be another word for a railroad job. I might anticipate agreeing with more of the things of the things they might railroad/pass efficiently than you would, but I recognize it can be a bad way to run things. If it’s not right when you dislike the ideas, it’s not right when you agree with them, either.
Junior Samples
January 12th, 2012
10:22 am
Did somebody mention Hee-Haw?
And yet we continue to wonder why corporations don’t flock to Georgia when elected officials are stripped of power. They don’t know who to bribe. When there’s a constant struggle for who’s first in line at the trough, we all loose.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
10:24 am
Junior….Corporations are moving to Georgia.
wowzer
January 12th, 2012
10:29 am
The local do-nothing Republicans only follow the national do-nothing Republicans. Apparently its the best way to continue unethical dealings and then blame Democrats for the woo’s of the economy.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
10:32 am
Wowzer….do nothing….hmmm you mean like when Obama had NO play regarding the deficit? And the Republicans had a plan to balance the budget….is that what you mean?
Josie
January 12th, 2012
10:34 am
Kyle –
No Governor is going to allow a floor flight. It has to be a caucus position first.
That’s why Tommie Williams, Chip Rogers and Bill Cowsert won’t hear certain motions in caucus meetings. i.e. – headlock.
JDW
January 12th, 2012
10:43 am
@Kyle, I am not taking up for the idea of haste but for the idea of efficiency i.e. execution. You are right that in many cases I do not agree with the strategy proposed by the Republicans of today. For example tax cuts as a cure to all ills. However, I know that a bad strategy implemented properly is better than no strategy at all in many cases and in the very least if you fail you can try something else faster. The problem we face today in both Georgia and on a National scale is uncertainty in the extreme.
For example the following quote is from Jeff Immelt…
“Will the U.S. consumer keep spending? I think the U.S. economy is a little better than people believe… and gets a little better each day. I worry about politics being so vile that the consumer becomes afraid again. Confidence is the most important support for the economy. A slight improvement in U.S. consumer confidence would go a long way.”
I agree that’s where we are today…vile coupled with the inability to do anything…even something wrong.
For crying out loud lets get on with it…if the ideas from the Republican party today are, against all indications to the contrary, the right ones lets find out. If not we can get rid of the cancer sooner.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
10:50 am
UGA…Get out of Hannitys’ a*** and read befroe you speak….
“As required by the Constitution, all spending bills originated in the House of Representatives and were sent to the Senate once the House had completed its work.”
The President does not control the budget process nor does he dictate the size or scope of the deficit. Stop with the lies and misinformation…..
wowzer
January 12th, 2012
10:51 am
The economy has grown, unemployment is down, the stock market has nearly doubled since Obama grabbed the reins of mis-management from the Bush administration. What are you taling about?
The repubs plan to fund the “job-creators” from cots to seniors healthcare was just too radical; that’s per Newt remember. Newt is the Reagan rebublican as I see on fox news, rush, hannity and other similar nemroids.
So just get a grip and accept your party is devoid of meaningful thought and positive ideas.
wowzer
January 12th, 2012
10:52 am
That’s directed straight at uga 1999
Kyle Wingfield
January 12th, 2012
10:55 am
JDW: I simply disagree about a bad strategy in any case being better than no strategy –and you are making a big assumption that the people who came up with a bad strategy would have the wherewithal to make up for it on implementation…
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
10:55 am
Inside……Oh, so here we go again….it is not “Obama’s fault”. The fact is that he had no plan because he has no idea how to lead.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
10:57 am
wowzer…..HAHAHAH unemployment is down? From what 10%. The FACT is that unemployment is still higher than it was when this clown took office. You think 8.6% unemployment is good??? Haha can you say “low expectations”?
Kyle Wingfield
January 12th, 2012
10:59 am
ByteMe: What you seem to have missed is that it is wholly consistent to want bills neither held subject to other, unrelated issues (in this case, a power struggle) nor rushed through because a handful of people wield all the power. They should be vetted and considered on their own merits.
And I know politics ain’t beanbag, and horses get traded. But I see nothing wrong with limiting the occasions on which that happens, to the extent possible.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:00 am
Wowzer….For the FIRST time in America’s HISTORY, the debt has surpassed the GDP…..
Yep, keep following your leader right off of the cliff!!! Great work!
ragnar danneskjold
January 12th, 2012
11:02 am
Good morning, ambivalent thoughts about the essay. There is some merit in seeing a government body paralyzed by a power struggle – means they will do less damage to us all.
ByteMe
January 12th, 2012
11:05 am
What you seem to have missed is that it is wholly consistent to want bills neither held subject to other, unrelated issues (in this case, a power struggle) nor rushed through because a handful of people wield all the power.
No, I didn’t miss it. Bills are held up ONLY through struggle when a small group of heavy-weight politicians control the calendar, the committees, etc. If they aren’t struggling, they aren’t trying hard enough to produce good legislation… and lately they aren’t trying hard enough. Just because the power struggle is between people over turf doesn’t make it less desireable from a citizenry perspective. You think they’re going to fight over legislation that doesn’t matter to them?
So.. embrace the struggle. Don’t wish for it to go away, because you could end up getting what you didn’t wish for.
This comes back to my question yesterday about the Cold War ending being good or bad. Is one-party rule good or bad? If you don’t have someone strong enough to fight with, the results of your efforts are going to be underwhelming.
clyde
January 12th, 2012
11:07 am
I’ve always thought that a do nothing government could be a good thing.They’re not spending money as long as they’re taken up with the little distraction of their own making.Keeps their little pea brains busy,you know.
Kyle Wingfield
January 12th, 2012
11:08 am
But, ByteMe, they aren’t holding the bills up because they’re bad or letting them through because they’re good. Instead, in some (not all) cases, they are making the merits secondary to personalities. And I don’t think the citizens win in that case.
Tealiban
January 12th, 2012
11:09 am
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
10:09 am
Tealiban Party….the 10% of unemployed are thrilled with Obama….Bring on November!
I’m still waiting for the GOP to find a candidate to beat Obama. As of today, the goopers don’t have one.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
11:09 am
OK UGA..Please tell us when was the last time a REPLUBLICAN balanced the budget…… ( Let me grab a seat while we wait)…..
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:10 am
Tealiban….you should read more polls. Currently a “generic” republican candidate is in a virtual tie with Obama.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:11 am
Inside out…..Gingrich did it under Clinton…>EASY!!!
Tealiban
January 12th, 2012
11:13 am
Will you be voting for generic republican in November? He seems to be the only one polling ahead of Obama. What is his platform? Please do tell…
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:14 am
Tealiban…..I would vote for ANY of them over the Obama mess.
Tealiban
January 12th, 2012
11:15 am
Gee if only “Generic Republican” were on the ballot…. otherwise, you have some seriously flawed candidates.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
11:17 am
UGA…WRONG again!!! Newton Leroy did not balance the Budget!!! Get back onteh Faux News website and try again!!!! I hope you did not get that kind of info from the fine folks over at UGA….
ByteMe
January 12th, 2012
11:17 am
they aren’t holding the bills up because they’re bad or letting them through because they’re good. Instead, in some (not all) cases, they are making the merits secondary to personalities.
And if they didn’t struggle over personalities, what evidence do you have that they would struggle over content??
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:22 am
Inside….So you like to mislead eh? Typical Democrat.
wowzer
January 12th, 2012
11:22 am
When the kids mess up:
two un-funded wars, unfunded Medicare payments, wasteful educational stupidity, energy kick-backs to enron and ken lay, tax breaks to millionaires for zero job growth, and just plain dick cheney ideas like decifits don’t matter
a grown up has to take action and pay for the clean-up.
Now I have to go back to work and pay taxes for the mistakes of the do-nothing republicans. Have a good day.
Waffle House Cook
January 12th, 2012
11:24 am
Tommie Williams is a shifty man. You can’t trust a thing he does. He voted against the Sunday Sales law – but only because he owns the main restaurant in Lyons and worked a deal with the city/county to sell liquor (satan’s spit) by the glass. He’s the only one who could sell it in town – that’s why he voted against Sunday Sales – so he could keep his liquor business going and keep other away.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
11:25 am
UGA…what did I say that was misleading??? I asked a question and you presented an answer that was incorrect….
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:26 am
hmmmm lets see. Obama is going to win when 49% of americans disapprove of his job perfomance. 8.2 – 8.6% unemployment. 11% of american believe the economic outlook under this president is good. 59% of Americans say the economy is getting worse.
Yeah Obama is going to win alright! hahahaahah
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:26 am
Inside….Newton Leroy? hahaha.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
11:30 am
Whats wrong with that???? …..Newton Leroy Gingrich is his name….. His mama did that to him not me….
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:31 am
Inside….So I guess I would take Leroy over Hussein.
JDW
January 12th, 2012
11:37 am
@Kyle, I think we are approaching the point where uncertainty and inaction become institutionalized. This is our biggest threat, far bigger than policy implementations. I don’t buy into the concept that government gridlock “keeps them from hurting us”…it hurts us more than making our mistakes and learning from them.
Lets take Texas and Pennsylvania. One typically red the other blue. Yet both have economies that outperform the national average. They both do it in a far different manner yet they both outperform. They make their decisions and move on. I tend to think Pennsylvania makes better decisions than Texas. If weather weren’t a factor I would rather live in Pittsburg than Dallas. But in both cases they are moving forward as opposed to Georgia where we have gone from outperforming the mean to underperforming.
As for trusting “the people who came up with a bad strategy would have the wherewithal to make up for it on implementation…”. I don’t. I trust the voters to unelect them when they fall on their a$$. By doing nothing they get the advantage of not having “failed” and keep getting elected.,
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
12:16 pm
Simular to the US house where the speaker can literally cry because he has no control.
DawgDad
January 12th, 2012
12:26 pm
“Government, on any level, is best when changes in the law are thoroughly vetted and debated. So it also behooves Georgians if the process is slowed down somewhere along the way.”
Try selling that to your colleague Jay Bookman. Had a minor blog-spat yesterday with him and others defending Pelosi’s “you have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it” approach with Obamacare
getalife
January 12th, 2012
12:43 pm
Hello cons.
dd,
You lost so stop crying.
willard’s ad taking the President’s words out of context like ya’ll did with Peolsi back fired and now the left will do the same.
His words will be taken out of context like he loves to fire people.
Good for the goose………
Sweet karma.
getalife
January 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
btw con, it took two years to pass health care.
Did you want four years dd.
Get over it, you lost.
Georgia, The "New Mississippi"
January 12th, 2012
1:00 pm
If the Wall Street Republicans win Georgia loses……..
If the Wal-mart Republicans win Georgia loses…………
So What is your point Kyle ???
DawgDad
January 12th, 2012
1:10 pm
“Get over it, you lost.” [Re: Obamacare]
Yes, we did. On that we CERTAINLY agree.
GT
January 12th, 2012
1:10 pm
What is the duties of the Lt. Gov. now that he does not preside over the senate?
GT
January 12th, 2012
1:16 pm
Dawg 99 Obama is going to win because your party can’t run a candidate that is not a certified fruitcake. A survive of woman want to get married is 75%. Then they show these ladies the eligible bachelors and it drops to single digits. The GOP will be running candidates that not even their own party will vote for.
Don't Tread
January 12th, 2012
1:20 pm
“A survive of woman want to get married is 75%”
…what?
The Snark
January 12th, 2012
1:20 pm
This “power struggle” is an embarassment. It is a handful of people putting their person ambition above their responsibilities.
Kyle, I appreciate that you’re trying to find a silver lining in this, saying it’s a good thing to slow down the legislative process … but I can’t help but think you wouldn’t have come up with that rationalization for a Democratic Senate.
Tealiban Party
January 12th, 2012
1:32 pm
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
11:26 am
hmmmm lets see. Obama is going to win when 49% of americans disapprove of his job perfomance. Yeah Obama is going to win alright! hahahaahah
Funny, most of the polls don’t reflect your opinion. Obama up by as much as 7% over Romney. And the trajectory is only getting better for President Obama. Too bad Mr. Generic Republican hasn’t jumped into the race yet.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Dumb and Dumber
January 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
Hey JDW you forgot that centerpiece of GOP transportation planning under Governor Perdue: The I-85 HOT lane. The ONLY transportation accomplishment in metro Atlanta of 8 or 9 years of one-party rule.
Oh and UGA 1999, your posts once again show why hiring UGA grads with poor reading comprehension skills is risky. You respond to a post about the Georgia Senate with the usual blather about Obama. Keep up the good work and don’t list UGA on your resume if you apply to my firm.
Linda
January 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
Inside@10:50, Obama presented his 10-year budget a year ago & it was voted down in the Senate 97-0. Want to know why?
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
1:55 pm
Tealiban…..yeah but wait until Romney debates Obama and the GOP gets fully behind one candidate. Those numbers will change radically.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
1:55 pm
Dumb….HA, no need to brother. Trust me I will never have that need.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
1:56 pm
OK Linda…Your turn…..When was the last time a Republican balanced the budget????
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
Inside……Newton Leroy Gingrich….You keep asking a question that has already been answered.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
2:07 pm
OK…UGA for the last time…..Gingrich did not balance the budget anymore that Gore created the internet…..Now, how about you give up the Right wing Kool-aid and come sit at the adult table….You might just learn something….
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
2:07 pm
GOP has got to change to win nationally, read the answer lies in the middle.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
2:08 pm
Inside Out……So you are going to say that Clinton did. However the House is responsible for the budget Tell me how you justify that?
td
January 12th, 2012
2:18 pm
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
2:07 pm
OK…UGA for the last time…..Gingrich did not balance the budget anymore that Gore created the internet…..Now, how about you give up the Right wing Kool-aid and come sit at the adult table….You might just learn something….
Then please tell us who balanced the budget in the 90″s?
Lee
January 12th, 2012
2:18 pm
The way I see it, as long as the politico’s are fighting each other, they’re not passing laws and getting in my business. The real trouble comes when they reach a “consensus”, which is Latin for Bend Over, Here It Comes Again (BOHICA).
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
2:21 pm
Damn UGA….sit down and shut up!!! Adults are speaking here!!!! And for the record Clinton is not the answer!!! That was just a slick bit of trickery with the numbers…The Federal budget has not been in balance since Ike did it in 1957……. My point being that No one…Republican or Democrat has been able to do it in 50 plus years….Your talking points concerning Obama and the Budget / Deficit are without merit and should not be a part of current discussions…
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
2:24 pm
Uh oh…..looks like Inside out is getting upset. Poor thing, he cannot make a valid point so he gets upset. It is ok Inside Out, grab your blankie and start sucking your thumb. Everything will be ok shortly. Maybe it is time for you to take a nap!
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
2:24 pm
Inside…..Tell us all this….what happens when the debt exceeds the GDP?
Middle Class
January 12th, 2012
2:26 pm
The longer they fight, the longer we can hang onto our money.
Each time you hear someone suggest the tax base should be broadened, remember this IS “Their Plan” for funding the next big tax cut, designed to disproportionately benefit those who make the most, and hurt the middle class. By eliminating your mortgage interest deduction, they say they will be able to lower the tax rates across the board. If your mortgage deduction shelters a large percent of your income (as it does, the lower your income, within the definitions of middle class), then you will be slammed with a net higher tax increase.
On this front, may the “power struggle” last forever.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
TD…The Budget was never balanced in the 90’s…. The value of our publicly held debt was in surplus, But the value of our intragovermental debt increased…. When you strip away all of the “funny math” we actually ended the Clinton years with a debt of somewhere in the heighborhood of 18 billion dollars…..Now that is closer than any Republican has come since Ike, but still not balanced….
@@
January 12th, 2012
2:29 pm
Politicians are odd creatures. And to think, it’s the voter, who instills them with this misconception that they’re all important.
Some watchdog group should sponsor a “caulk” fight, forcing them to go shirtless…wearing nothing but spandex tights so their manliness can be on full display. May the best “caulk” win.
schnirt
Linda
January 12th, 2012
2:32 pm
Inside@1:56, Congress can not balance a budget without a budget. Congress is required by law to pass a budget. The last budget passed was in 2009.
It has been the Republicans who have historically & consistently been in favor of a balanced budget amendment & they came close in the ’90s several times.
It is apparent that you want to give Clinton credit for passing a balanced budget, but let me remind you that a budget is passed months in advance of any given fiscal year. It’s almost obsolete at the end of the fiscal year because revenues & expenses can vary.
Unfortunately, during Clinton, more debt was added to the national debt each & every year he was in office.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm
Don’t forget that the Republicans have recently tried again to pass a balanced budget amendment.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
2:33 pm
Linda…I never said Clinton balanced the budget….Your buddy UGA presented that….
td
January 12th, 2012
2:35 pm
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
Say I accept you definition, then who was responsible for doing the budgets, getting the appropriations bills completed that got us to the point you stated?
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
2:37 pm
Inside…..HAHA Thanks for proving my point!
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
2:38 pm
Kyle….you may want to look at Inside Outs last post…..
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
2:40 pm
LOL…..Poor UGA…Tattling is sooooooo Third grade!!!! LOL
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
Inside…..pot meet kettle.
Linda
January 12th, 2012
2:48 pm
Inside@2:22, Is that all you have to say?
You claim the debt was $18 B after the Clinton years, whereas the Treasury Dept. figures it at close to $5.7 TRILLION. I quoted my source. Where do you come up with your info?
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
2:50 pm
Linda….he cant.
JDW
January 12th, 2012
2:55 pm
The key issues that enabled a balanced budget under Clinton, were the proper levels of taxation…passed in 1993 with Democratic majorities in both houses and PAYGO…which was implemented in 1990, extended twice by Clinton and allow to expire by Duhbya.
Gingrich and the Republican Congress of the late nineties simply did what they are best at…NOTHING.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
Here you go Linda…..Shhhhhhhhh UGA……
http://www.geldpress.com/2008/07/us-budget-reporting-deception/
td
January 12th, 2012
3:06 pm
JDW
January 12th, 2012
2:55 pm
And even if we put the Clinton “proper level of taxation” back into place today could we come close to balancing the budget?
Linda
January 12th, 2012
3:06 pm
Not only do we have a natl. debt of $15.224 T but we also have another $117.137 T in unfunded liabilities. Congress spent every penny in the Social Security Fund & Medicare Fund, which are now full of chits, little pieces of paper labeled IOU.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm
Since every taxpayer in the country now owes $1,172,840 EACH, what are those “proper levels of taxation?” Would 90% be enough?
td
January 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
OMG. You bring us so called facts from a website that does not even post the owners real names. Great source.
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
3:11 pm
Uh oh , Linda, let’s not talk about 90% taxation. The liberals here would think that is a good & proper idea.
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
3:14 pm
40% over 500k is a good start.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:15 pm
Jefferson….40% over $500k is a good start…..Typical radical comment from the left.
Linda
January 12th, 2012
3:17 pm
Inside@3:02, 1. The site you quoted referenced their source as the US Treasury Dept.
The site I quoted WAS the US Treasury Dept.
The annual debt is the same on both websites.
2. The 1st sentence in the article you quoted (highlighted in blue) is a quote from CNN that Geldpress (your source) disputed in the 2nd sentence.
3. I asked you where you came up with an $18 B debt after Clinton. Your own source disagrees with you.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:18 pm
Linda….I told you….
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
3:18 pm
Jefferson,
I think thee art Robin Hood and his bunch of hoodies who want to rob the evil rich.
Linda
January 12th, 2012
3:26 pm
Dusty@3:11, Unfortunately, 90% isn’t enough. You see, we still have to bail out the Post Office, again, Fannie Mae, again, Freddie Mac, again, all the unions in states with unfunded pensions, again, & a bunch of countries in Europe.
Linda
January 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Jefferson@3:14, I wish Obama agreed with you, but he wants to start it at $200,000 for singles. He just calls them “millionaires & billionaires” for fun.
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
3:33 pm
Well, Kyle is quite correct in admonishing the Georgia Senate to get to work. I believe that is why they were sent to the capitol.
Seems like we have a wise and quiet governor who does his work. He has done more than trying to keep the kiddies from throwing spitballs in the Senate. He has a budget.
I don’t have it in front of me but it seems like he knows the problems. Money for starting reservoirs , specific educational funds, a hot lane on GA 400, funds for dredging Savannah’s riverfront, things we need to work on. Nobody is perfect but I think Gov. Deal is heading in the right ditrection.
Linda
January 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
UGA@3:18, Zeroes get their zeroes mixed up.
Reminds me of Obama wanting to raise taxes on thousandaires but calling them millionaires & billionaires to inspire this class warfare envy game.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
Linda…Yep he has been doing it since he got into office.
Tealiban Party
January 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
1:55 pm
Tealiban…..yeah but wait until Romney debates Obama and the GOP gets fully behind one candidate. Those numbers will change radically.
Can’t wait ’til they do. Might be hard to debate since ol’ Mitt has every side of every issue covered. Perhaps they will debate Mitt taking a $10 million bailout – government handout – for Bain – and how it is good for him, but not Detroit. Or how instrumental he was in gutting companies, firing American workers, outsourcing, while pocketing millions. Or perhaps another good topic will be his tax rate — if and ever he does release his tax statements. Or what about Romneycare?
This debate will be fun fun fun!
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
Tealiban….I have NO problem with firing employees. Owning two businesses I have had to do it in the past. Pocketing millions….that is the name of the game brother.
You do realize that Obama is not going to have a telepromter right?
Tealiban Party
January 12th, 2012
3:47 pm
td
January 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
OMG. You bring us so called facts from a website that does not even post the owners real names. Great source.
Sounds like a GOP PAC….
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
Linda,
Time for drastic cuts. Our Republican president coming up is going to have a rough time of it. Every cut will be argued as unnecessary by Democrats who will be in Bushwhacking mode again, not that they ever got out of it.
I wish we could tell the Post Office to get where your expenses are covered by mid summer. Fannie and Freddie should go bankrupt. Europe can help itself. Unions pay their own pensions or go out of business. Big business should be reminded of their profits and suggest better employee benefits and more work in the USA.
Much unhappiness will follow but a good president will inspire this country to make amends. at every level. If we get the same “leadership” we’ve been having, the forecast is not good. I hope every voter realizes that important point.
JDW
January 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
@TD if you put taxes at the proper levels AND assume that PAYGO was in force yes it would be pretty close. Of course that means that Duhbya would have to have actually funded Medicare Part D, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the general increase in defense spending from 2000.
So lets look at 2010
Impact of taxes…$370 Billion+
Cost of Medicare Part D…$52 Billion
Iraq and Afghanistan…$170 Billion
General Defense increase…$367 Billion
Total…$959 Billion…2010 budget deficit $1.293 Trillion…difference…$334 Billion
Now wouldn’t you rather be talking about deficits in $334 billion range…BTW if they had funded the stimulus plan and additional unemployment payments as they should have under PAYGO we would be almost even.
So the conclusion is that had the framework established by Clinton been left in place and followed we would not be in this mess today.
Tealiban Party
January 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
You do realize that Obama is not going to have a telepromter right?
You’re right. He should have went to five different schools to become a professional teleprompter reader (aka newscaster), like Palin. To hell with the Harvard law degree…
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
3:52 pm
UGA…Who was the first President to use a telprompter??? You do know that Williard carries one with him and uses it during EVERY speach….
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
Tealiban…..Good point, how did Obama pay to go to those schools?
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Inside….Willard is the president?? WOW I will alert the media!
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
If you don’t want to pay you fair share, be a square.
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:58 pm
Jefferson…..What do you feel a “fair share” should be?
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
Were you this concerned about the teleprompter when Regan used it?? How about both of the Bushes????
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
Tealiban Party,
Now you have fallen so far you have to insult Sarah Palin? Sarah Palin is running for NO office at this time. What’s your point? Just prejudiced?
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
4:05 pm
Inside Out,
You too, Brute’? Reagan is dead and the Bushes are not participating in politics at the moment. Could you stay a little more updated in your paltry party postings?
Inside Out; always on the wrong side.
@@
January 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
The class deserving voters’ wrath is composed of society’s predators and parasites, who span all rungs of the income ladder.
I didn’t know Steve Conover was writing for AEI.
Kewl!
I’ve missed him.
Steve spreads
the “love”
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
A fair share of tax would be equivilent to a fair share of the income.
Tealiban Party
January 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
UGA 1999
January 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
Tealiban…..Good point, how did Obama pay to go to those schools?
How much government help did you get to go to UGA?
Linda
January 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
Dusty@3:39, The Post Office needs to go back to ponies.
Fannie & Freddie are buying about 90% of the mortgages today.
The US already funds about 20% of the International Monetary Fund, created to bail out Europe.
It’s the state public unions that are unfunded.
We’re in a world of hurt, but the Democrats said, “Let’s take over the health care industry! Let’s close the coal-powered power plants but give tax breaks to electric cars powered by them! Let’s take over the financial industry (& call it the Consumer Financial Protection Agency)!” There’s $117.2 T in unfunded liabilities & what does congress do? Give employees exemptions from paying into social security! We are clouded in uncertainty & what does congress do? Come up with the forty eleventh temporary gimmick trick to get votes.
Yesterday, Kyle wrote about Greece giving pedophiles, exhibitionists, kleptomaniacs, pyromaniacs, compulsive gamblers, fetishists & sadomasochists entitlements. Now that I think about it, should a poll be conducted in the US, these freaks would probably receive higher approval ratings than our congress.
td
January 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
A fair share of tax would be equivilent to a fair share of the income
Please explain you proposal. I am confused.
Inside Out
January 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
Dusty…Just like the republican party……Throw it out there then duck and dodge when in is turned around….
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
The more you make the more you pay the more you have left. It what left that matters, not what you pay.
Pulpwood for about a month, they you would know what hard work is.
@@
January 12th, 2012
4:30 pm
Yesterday, Kyle wrote about Greece giving pedophiles, exhibitionists, kleptomaniacs, pyromaniacs, compulsive gamblers, fetishists & sadomasochists entitlements. Now that I think about it, should a poll be conducted in the US, these freaks would probably receive higher approval ratings than our congress.
My heart would bleed for none of ‘em.
td
January 12th, 2012
4:34 pm
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
The more you make the more you pay the more you have left. It what left that matters, not what you pay.
Pulpwood for about a month, they you would know what hard work is.
Isn’t this what happens now? The bottom 48% of wage earners pay no Federal income tax at all while the top 1% pays 28% of all Federal income taxes paid.
td
January 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
“Pulpwood for about a month, they you would know what hard work is”
Do you think people that make a great deal of money do not work hard? Did not the people, who harvest pulpwood, make the choice to do so? Are they getting paid what the market pays for such a job and what the skill set requires to be paid? .
Linda
January 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
Jefferson, what is the maximum number of months that you think a taxpayer should work for the fed. govt. AND for his or her fed., state & local govt.? 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, more?
How many months maximum should any taxpayer work for the govt. before having any money of their own to, you know, buy food, clothing & shelter?
When does a taxpayer become a slave? After 11 months?
The churches ask for only 10%? Who is more worthy? God or DC?
td
January 12th, 2012
4:41 pm
Linda
January 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
“The churches ask for only 10%? Who is more worthy? God or DC?”
Love that one Linda and it is so true. I will have to remember it and borrow your quote in the future.
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
4:41 pm
Linda,
I think there are ways to back off on some of this. Yep, ponies for the Post Office. Fannie & Freddie can’t go bankrupt like other agencies unless the whole country goes bankrupt? States will have to reorganzie their pension plans.
Get rid of Obama and I think we can change our monetary set-up in Europe. I believe they think Obama is an easy giveaway who will “look good” by giving them more money. Maybe not but I can’t think of any big noticeable cuts he has made here. It is always take more from citizens and then give it back as stimulus that disappears. Too bad they didn’t teach hIm economics at Harvard. (I’m judging by his actions NOW and the current debt.)
I know it is easy to say “Never say never.” I think we better get close to saying NO on many expenses or reach the time when there is no choice of any kind.
Occupunks on Kyle's blog
January 12th, 2012
5:07 pm
I paid my fair share! Now where are my food stamps, my EBT card, my Medicaid, my free college edumocation, my 500K section eight house, my earned income tax credict check?
Try street hustling, gaming the system for a while, then you’ll know how hard you have to work to be a mooch.
It ain’t easy being sleazy.
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
5:10 pm
@@,
I know the feeling when you hear about the people Greece decided were DISABLED. To me, disabled means not able to work. I don’t see these perverts as not able to work somewhere.
Of course, in this country, if your income is very low or nonexistant, food stamps are issued and maybe Medicaid.. I doubt if they ask anyone if they are some sort of pervert!! At least I don’t think we call them disabled. That would be an insult to the ones who are truly disabled.
Jefferson
January 12th, 2012
5:11 pm
If you don’t know hard labor, you can’t know what a dollar means to someone who has to produce hard labor.
Somewhere over there
January 12th, 2012
5:51 pm
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. GA used to be a solid blue state up until 2000. Not sure where I’m going with this because I’ve had a few beers.
Good night.
Somewhere over there
January 12th, 2012
5:52 pm
Dusty/@@
How are you two doing these days? Bookman’s blog misses you but you’re not missing anything. Same old bs.
saywhat?
January 12th, 2012
5:53 pm
Kyle wrote
“But, ByteMe, they aren’t holding the bills up because they’re bad or letting them through because they’re good. Instead, in some (not all) cases, they are making the merits secondary to personalities. And I don’t think the citizens win in that case.”
I actually agree with you. This is just like the Republicans in the US House and Senate opposing anything Obama is in favor of, whether or not they supported it in the past. It IS bad for the citizens when they do this. I am glad you are learning.
saywhat?
January 12th, 2012
5:56 pm
Linda asks “The churches ask for only 10%? Who is more worthy? God or DC?”
Knowing what I do about Linda’s God by what Linda writes, I will have to go with DC.
Linda
January 12th, 2012
6:11 pm
Dusty@4:41, Noticeable cuts? Are you kidding me? You are aware that his 10-year budget he introduced a year ago was voted down in the Democratic senate by a vote of 97-0? Even the Democrats were appalled at the trillions more that he intended to add to the natl. debt!
In all sincerity, you need to:
1. familiarize yourself with community organizer Saul Alinsky, author of Rules for Radicals (formerly Rules for Revolution)(Hillary’s thesis subject),
2. understand that Obama was a community organizer, worked for an Alinsky team & taught Alinsky techniques to ACORN,
3. acknowledge that Obama’s Organizing for America in ‘10 organized high schoolers for his Nat. Intern Organizer Curriculum in which the introductory Training included suggestions to read Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/01/atlas-exclusive-obama-organizing-for-communism-and-youth-corps-in-the-public-school-1.html
Maybe you can finish connecting all the dots that will lead you to the conclusion that Obama’s goal is to destroy America.
Tealiban Party
January 12th, 2012
6:19 pm
td
January 12th, 2012
4:34 pm
Isn’t this what happens now? The bottom 48% of wage earners pay no Federal income tax at all while the top 1% pays 28% of all Federal income taxes paid.
By some estimates, the top 1% controls 42% of the wealth in this country. And based on 2010 IRS numbers, those top 1% (1.4 million households) bring in almost double what the bottom 50% make (70 million households).
http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/20/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_income/index.htm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 12th, 2012
6:22 pm
Yeah, they’re acting like dummycrats.
geez
S. Naban
January 12th, 2012
6:29 pm
Linda
January 12th, 2012
6:11 pm
Maybe you can finish connecting all the dots that will lead you to the conclusion that Obama’s goal is to destroy America.
Nice to see you can cut and paste off a radical reich GOP nutjob website Linda. Especially cute that they are able to add “… of socialism” at the end of these deliberately misconstrued bullets. Is your aluminum foil deflector beanie getting a little tight? Time to fashion another….
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html
Linda
January 12th, 2012
6:34 pm
All this class warfare envy is gobbley gook.
We don’t have classes in this country. We have income brackets. You either HAVE class or you don’t. If you participate in class warfare envy, you HAVE no class. It’s as unbecoming as acne & just as evident.
Who cares what people make? There will always be top earners unless Robin Hood Obama figures a way to take their wealth away. Then there will be no top earners to pay taxes & who will suffer the most? The needy.
Our constitution makes the US a republic, not a democracy nor a socialist country. Until recently, we have been free to participate in capitalism. Our rights included being free to succeed AND fail.
Get an education, get a job, work hard & quit complaining about how green your neighbor’s grass is.
Tealiban Party
January 12th, 2012
6:37 pm
Linda
January 12th, 2012
6:34 pm
Until recently, we have been free to participate in capitalism.
*****NOT INTENDED TO BE A FACTUAL STATEMENT*******
The One, The Only, The Amazing GodHatesTrash!
January 12th, 2012
6:42 pm
S. Naban, it’s a lonely empty dark and scary place under these teahadists’ tinfoil hats…
Linda
January 12th, 2012
6:43 pm
S. Naban@6:29, I have no idea what you are talking about. I made 3 points & you must have ignored the 1st two. If you don’t like the site that I cited, feel free to Google Organizing for America, National Intern Organizer Curriculum or anything close. Do you deny that Obama is STILL organizing our children for his campaign or that he included Rules for Radicals as suggested reading?
Furthermore the NEA also includes the same book as suggested reading.
Do you even know what the goals are of the progressive party?
S. Naban
January 12th, 2012
6:52 pm
Guess what Linda. The RNC also has internships. And guess what – they get passed out in schools also. These RNC interships must be John Boehner’s attempt to setup the GOP Version of the Nazi Youth Movement! Ohhhh the horror! On the GOP application, you have to identify your Republican role-model. What fascism!!!
S. Naban
January 12th, 2012
6:53 pm
Sign up for the GOP Youth Movement Linda!
http://www.gop.com/index.php/housekeeping/Internships/
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
January 12th, 2012
7:02 pm
I’m still waiting for the GOP to find a candidate to beat Obama.
———————
Your wait is over. We Americans have about a half dozen who would do a better job than Moron Obozo, with his 9% unemployment for three years, $1.5 trillion deficits every year, and record numbers of children going hungry and living in poverty.
Obozo: Fail.
Obozo receptacles: Parasites, losers, and criminals.
M. Romney
January 12th, 2012
7:08 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
January 12th, 2012
7:02 pm
Your wait is over. We Americans have about a half dozen who would do a better job than Moron Obozo, with his 9% unemployment for three years, $1.5 trillion deficits every year, and record numbers of children going hungry and living in poverty.
And we know what cures this….. TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
7:10 pm
Linda,
I think you need to reread my post @ 4:41. I said, referring to Obama: “I can’t think of any big cuts he has made here.” See the word CAN’T, the contraction for can not.
As to Alinsky, I have no interest in reading about another community organizer type. I already know about one that is now president. Obama’s unsavory Chicago connections are well known and his rise to fame was through them.
Actually , I do not think the president is out to destory America. I think he is doing it out of incompetence and lack of experience tied with a mighty ego determined to show success no matter the cost to the country. I will not vote to continue his failing term which has worked against sound American principles. .. .
Linda
January 12th, 2012
7:13 pm
S. Naban@6:52, You still have not addressed my point, which is Obama’s & the progressives’ goal.
The problem nor the point is internships (spelled internships). The problem is destroying America.
Dusty
January 12th, 2012
7:14 pm
Well, hi, SOMEWHERE OVER THERE
I don’t recognize you by your ID here. NIce to think that I am missed at Bookman’s but I doubt that. Not those crazy cutups!! Anyway, it is more peaceful here (sometimes). Stop by and stay awhile.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
January 12th, 2012
7:14 pm
M. Romney: And we know what cures this….. RETURNING CONTROL OF THE WHITE HOUSE TO SOMEONE WHO LOVES AMERICA!
————————–
Fixed.
The One, The Only, The Amazing GodHatesTrash!
January 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
It’s the pathetic, ugly, priggish, mean-spirited whiner so-called conservatives that are destroying America.
What a bunch of disgusting half-wits.
Linda
January 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Dusty@7:10, You are making a huge mistake. You need to understand Alinsky & Obama’s & the progressives’ ties to him & their shared goals.
Obama is highly intelligent & educated. He & the progressives know exactly what they are doing. I initially thought the same as you, incompetence & lack of experience, but after 3 years, repeating the same actions with the same results, I believe it’s much more than that. I didn’t even know what a progressive was 3 years ago & unfortunately, most of the Democrats still don’t know who they are & what they are up to.
I could give you many more dots. One is Van Jones, a self-described Communist, that was one of Obama’s czars. Look what he’s up to today.
Why do you think Obama said that “under my plan, utility rates would necessarily skyrocket?” He’s getting rid of the coal industry.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
January 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
In case you lost track, for two years the dummycrats had total control of the government and were more than welcome to fix things, but, gosh, it seems to have gotten much worse with all of their “help.”
If sticking your thumb in your mouth and blubbering about Conservatives helps with your understandable misery, than have at it, bozos.
ODD OWL
January 12th, 2012
7:42 pm
Mitt Romney might not be an American citizen… His Father George who practiced polygamy, was born in Mexico. When George Romney ran for President, he was disqualitified because he was not a natural born American citizen. Mittens Romney claim that he was born in Illinois but he refuse to show his birth certificate. Where are the “birthers” ??? Why aren’t the tea party birthers outraged over the fact that Mitt Romney could very well be a foreign born Chihuahuan candidate ??? I guess the rich, elite Romney Family believe that “class” place them beyond the reach of scrutiny. What’s good for the birthers is good for the Democrats…
Occupunks on Kyle's blog
January 12th, 2012
8:08 pm
I’ll have whatever my Obama brotha 99%’ers on this blog be smoking.
Gewt Gangrene
January 12th, 2012
8:17 pm
Why don’t you occupunks follow in my footsteps, take a bath, get a hair cut, find a lifetime of government jobs to milk, marry three times, become a soiled conservative and run against capitalism!
Hillbilly D
January 12th, 2012
8:30 pm
Lawmakers like to say they’re performing “the people’s business.” As long as they’re feuding in this way, they aren’t.
It’s when they are doing “the people’s business” that they put the screws to us. Let ‘em feud all they want to. As long as they are feuding with each other, they can’t connive against us.
independent thinker
January 12th, 2012
8:57 pm
Kyle- I thought your favorite party is the do nothing party- so what is your problem?
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January 13th, 2012
7:27 am
Probably too late, but…
Dusty:
That would be an insult to the ones who are truly disabled.
And that’s the thing. The newly “disabled” care not a whit that they’re insulting AND robbing from the truly disabled. When it comes to entitlement fraud in this country, it’s no different. I’ve often wondered if the fraudsters vote GOP? Doubtful….since the fraudsters are dependent on exploiting opportunity.
Somewhere over there:
And your name from “over there”? Not that it would make a difference. The only one who spoke up and defended my right to free speech was a conservative poster. If you’re not THAT individual, you’re of no consequence to me.
brigitta
January 15th, 2012
1:15 am
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