Reports: House GOP gives in, agrees to two-month tax holiday
National Journal is reporting that the House has backed down and agreed to pass, for now, only a two-month extension of the payroll-tax holiday. The AP and The Hill are reporting the same.
The bill reportedly will be the same as the one the Senate passed with a large bipartisan majority, except for “a technical correction to the language designed to minimize difficulties businesses might experience implementing the short-term, two-month tax cut extension.” As part of the deal, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will appoint conference-committee members to negotiate away the differences between his chamber’s bill and the House version, which called for a full-year textension.
House Republicans made this more embarrassing than they had to, by not backing Speaker John Boehner’s reported pledge to pass the two-month extension in the first place. They had a victory in hand with the agreement by the Senate and President Obama — who’d originally threatened a veto — to include a provision speeding up the approval process of the Keystone XL pipeline. Having already conceded the debate about whether a temporary tax cut is economically effective, they should have realized the issue was pure politics, booked that victory, and not risked spoiling it.
Assuming all goes off without a hitch, we’ll see who holds the political high ground when the debate turns to extending the holiday for the rest of 2012. After all, that — holding the political high ground — is all this exercise was really ever about. When congressional leaders wait until the weeks before Christmas to decide what to do about taxes in the new year, incompetence and lack of actual concern for taxpayers abound.
P.S. — I’ll update this post with further details as warranted.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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RedNeck Rick
December 22nd, 2011
4:49 pm
Good ole’ GOP…good for a laugh this holiday season.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
Kyle,
One more time, do you still insist that there are no winners, politically, in this “stupid payroll-tax fight?”
Hillbilly D
December 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Well, I hate to say I told you so……but I did tell you. All the bloviating and harrumphing was just window dressing. It’s an election year and politicians jobs are at stake, after all.
It is a good thing they got this dog and pony show out of the way, though. Now, on to the next one.
Kyle Wingfield
December 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
MarkV: At the end of the day, no — I don’t think independents, the only ones who are going to change their minds in one of these fights, sees either side in a particularly good light. If there is any movement, it will most likely be in the Dems’ direction. I just don’t anticipate their getting much mileage from it when the eventual end result will be the same.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
5:04 pm
Bunch of Kooky Republicans!! Why did they even put pipeline language, deregulating chit, in a payroll tax bill if they wanted workers to have a tax cut? Fact…they dont care about the payroll tax cut but they will give one as long as its paid for by non-millionaires and their energy kooks who lobby then get some stuff that poison society. They are full of crap and the public is on to their bs.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
5:06 pm
Listening to the Republican congressional leaders today, it was hard to believe the chutzpah and hypocrisy of these people. They would want you to believe that all they cared about was to extend the payroll tax for a full year, while the Democrats wanted only a two-moth extension. These liars failed to mention that they were against any payroll tax cut in the beginning, and then attached all kinds of other bills on it to either kill it or to get other things they wanted.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
Kyle Wingfield @4:57 pm
The you are deaf and blind. Even the people writing the WSJ editorial know better.
Rafe Hollister
December 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
Well, I am glad it is over. The GOP picked the wrong battle. At least now, maybe, Bo Obama (dog) can hitch a ride with PresBO and not have to fly alone back to Hawaii. It may save the taxpayers several hundred thousand dollars, and save Bo the stress of flying alone, who knows.
Dumb and Dumber
December 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
Well this will give GOP Rep. Sensenbrenner more time to make snarky comments about Michelle Obama’s looks. And we can all be thankful for that this Christmas.
Dave
December 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
I didn’t pay a lot of attention of this latest Republican House “my way or the highway” deal. It does seem that after three long years Obama and the Dems finally played a decent hand of poker. Too little, too late probably; but, as an independent voter, I’d like to see more of “no” from Obama and the Dems.
Rafe Hollister
December 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
Chicago Sun Times
WASHINGTON — Who is paying for the two-month extension of the payroll tax cut working its way through Congress? The cost is being dropped in the laps of most people who buy homes or refinance beginning next year.
The typical person who buys a $200,000 home or refinances that amount starting on Jan. 1 would have to pay roughly $17 more a month for their mortgage, thanks to a fee increase included in the payroll tax cut bill that the Senate passed Saturday. The White House said the fee increases would be phased in gradually.
Why does no one ever discuss how these things are paid for. Looks like the usual Obama socialist funding scheme, robbing one to give to another. Soc Security nearly insolvent now, gets more insolvent, housing sliding down the cliff, is place in more peril. Workers allowed to keep a small amount to the money normally dedicated to Soc Sec on the one hand and paying more for their mortgage on the other.
Smoke and Mirrors I believe they can this stuff.
Cherokee
December 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
Agreed Dave. Maybe with a win under their belt, the Dems won’t be so afraid to hold their positions…
Kyle Wingfield
December 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
MarkV @ 5:07: And if I’d changed my tune after the WSJ editorial came out and Karl Rove criticized the GOP, you or someone else would have accused me of “getting my talking points” or “marching orders” and following them. Right?
I think what I think. I might be right, I might be wrong. But it was pretty clear yesterday that, if anyone was going to cave, it would be the House Republicans. I don’t know why their actually caving today should make me change my mind about the political consequences.
jconservative
December 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
“If there is any movement, it will most likely be in the Dems’ direction.”
I completely agree.
michelle
December 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
Okay, people, finally I’ve got him. Look at Kyle’s response at 4:57. I mean talking mamby-pamby scrotal-scrod. He’s not saying anything and he’s good at not saying it.
Why can’t you folks rise up in anger?
I know why. Because you’re all morons, who can’t read and even if you could read you wouldn’t know what you’re reading.
We are going down. You Neanderthals have spoken. And you said, “Duh, GRaarzzzrtzsalsizzeklgerbvilHGHZZIGTHEIHGOWIEJLKDisssssshhhhzhhewsss).
Good for you.
Centrist
December 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm
While the Republicans wanted to force a full year along with other concessions, they also demanded and got the following: “As part of the deal, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will appoint conference-committee members to negotiate away the differences between his chamber’s bill and the House version, which called for a full-year extension.”
They already forced the Obama administration to choose prior to the election between unions who want the Keystone pipeline and environmentalist knee-jerk opposition. Other concessions will come in February if the payroll tax goes more than 2 months, now that Reid has been forced to appoint conferees to negotiate differences in the Senate and House versions of a full year extension.
Martin Williams
December 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm
The GOP and the DEMS can take there two months tax break and shove it……………ops this a nice family paper. For the whole year the total tax break is about $1000 and that is nothing compared to what they get/received from Corporations.
Kyle Wingfield
December 22nd, 2011
5:34 pm
MarkV: I give you the 5:29 comment by Martin Williams, whose previous comments do not lead me to peg him as a raging tea partyer.
Ross Perot
December 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm
The Dem’s burying their head in the sand when it comes to real issues like reducing entitlement spending/deficit spending. Hell they can’t even present a budget. Do nothing demo-spends disgust me.
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
House Republicans made this more embarrassing than they had to, by not backing Speaker John Boehner’s reported pledge to pass the two-month extension in the first place.
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Republicans can’t even support each other.
Boehner and the Republicans CAVED. Bottom line!
This has been a disasterous week for John Boehner because he does not lead…yet he is lead.
This was about GET OBAMA and anything to make him look bad. IT BACK FIRED!
The public is watching this and seeing how reasonable Obama is being.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
5:45 pm
Kyle Wingfield @5:20 pm: “MarkV @ 5:07: And if I’d changed my tune after the WSJ editorial came out and Karl Rove criticized the GOP, you or someone else would have accused me of “getting my talking points” or “marching orders” and following them. Right?”
Wrong as far as I am concerned. I would not accuse you of that. I just find it difficult to believe that you do not see that people overwhelmingly are blaming the Republicans in this matter. They do not look at the details of the maneuvering, they see Obama and the Democrats insisting on the payroll cut extension, and the Republicans blocking it – until now.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm
Kyle Wingfield @5:34 pm
I wish I knew what Martin Willaims at 5: 29 is talking about. If he wants to argue that the tax break, which “For the whole year …is about $1000″ is just something people do not care about, then there is no point taking him seriously.
Kyle Wingfield
December 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm
MarkV: You are the one who is blind — or blindly partisan — if you think that the Republicans were blocking a payroll cut extension by approving exactly what Obama and the Dems had been asking for, a one-year extension of it. I can’t see how either side could be said to be blocking something they have both voted for, just with different details. If that makes me blind, so be it.
Odis
December 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm
The House Republicans now look weak AND stupid. Why go thru with all this drama? Vote out all the republicans next year, we need to get this country moving forward again.
td
December 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
5:45 pm
What people are you talking about? A lot of independents I have talked to on social networks think the whole idea of cutting the insurance premium for our children and grand children to pay for latter was a horrible idea in the first place.
td
December 22nd, 2011
6:02 pm
Odis
December 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm
Moving forward in what direction? Oh, do you mean moving forward towards communism the way it was when the Dems were in charge? No thank you.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm
Kyle Wingfield @5:49 pm
Now you are not blind, but distorting both what I have written and the facts. Is it not true that many Republicans openly opposed the payroll cut extension, and some still do? “EXACTLY what Obama and Dems had been asking for?” (my emphasis) Is it now a fact that when Republicans “approved” the one year extension, it was only when they attached unrelated provisions, which made the bill unacceptable to the Democrats?
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
td @ 5:59 pm: “What people are you talking about? A lot of independents I have talked to on social networks think the whole idea of cutting the insurance premium for our children and grand children to pay for latter was a horrible idea in the first place.”
Then you should blame your choice of people you talk to on social networks. Why do you think the Republicans in Congress caved in?
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
‘Cuse me please Kyle, but this is a payroll tax cut right? Now correct me if I’m wrong about this but isn’t Social Security and Medicare dependent on payroll taxes? Just how shall I say this… hmm… hem, haw, uh, oh, well, here goes… Isn’t SS&Medicare in a bit of financial difficulty already without cutting revenues to these funds?
Yeah, I’m with you Kyle, perhaps for different reasons, nevertheless the people obumer touts as being winners in this and getting a $1,000 may gain short term but you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt.
Please keep the lousy little $15 per pay check I’m getting from your payroll tax cut Mr. Prez, that small amount is going to cost me and other more than it is worth to the Social Security&Medicare benefits in the long run I’m afraid.
I don’t think revenues to fund the “Safety Net” should be cut.
td
December 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
Neal Boortzbot
December 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
Why don’t you explain to all of us how Obama care is not moving the country towards communism? What about the bailout of GM? Go ahead and explain and let us see if your definition of communism is the same as mine?
getalife
December 22nd, 2011
6:08 pm
They gave a gift to our President.
He will run as the tax cut President.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm
Neal Boortzbot @6:04 pm
I am sorry, but I had to laugh. Is there any doubt regarding the answer to your question?
michelle
December 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm
Jay bookman who coddles a Bookman of Sphincters has just made the big mistake. Read the last few threads for which I was banned yet again from Bookman’s idiotic and sphinctorously oraficial blog. Well, it’s too late, he deleted the gold. Yes, everything I wrote was so funny and true that Bookman couldn’t stand it
I think a jury would agree with me.
I will settle out of court with Jay Bookman for three point two million dollars.
Otherwise, lets let the world decide.
getalife
December 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm
Michael H. Smith ,
Factor in the millions of job revenue w lost in the collapse.
I don’t think SS and Medicare stands a chance for future generations.
Aquagirl
December 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm
There was clearly a misfire among the Republicans, so while there is plenty of blame to spread around, I think Kyle is fooling himself if he thinks it’ll fall equally on both parties. Clearly Boehner thought he had an agreement, then his own party bailed. You can’t reach an agreement when one side can’t make up their mind what in the hell they want.
I would love to know what type of kick in the teanuts was administered to get this deal moving again. Somebody must have dragged the caucus of NO into reality for a moment. I doubt they will stay there but it’s a start.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
“…you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt.”
People who claim this really know nothing.
Cornbreesha
December 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
I’m with the earlier poster who questioned how this latest government handout is being paid for.
A two month tax reduction extension will cost billions, and they want us to believe it’ll be financed by a fee on new home buyers? Get real. We’ll pay for it like everything else, print more funny money and sell some more T bills to the Chicoms.
getalife
December 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
Too bad you did not worry about paying for the occupations and bush tax cuts.
Trillions.
td
December 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
“Why do you think the Republicans in Congress caved in?”
That one is easy. The politics look bad at this time of the year. If they would have done this on April 15th I am willing to bet they would have a great deal more support.
michelle
December 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
BTW I am the only person to get banned from all of the AJC blogs for extended periods of time. I’ve been banned by this blog for some reason, but was reinstated when the readership crashed.
People love me. WHY? I don’t know. Maybe it could be…..I can’t think of anything…..nothing comes to mind….what could it be……gee whiz……..having a real problem here explaining this one…….maybe….its…because….I’m…….a…..GENIUS?????????
you decide. Boycott Kyle and Jay if they ban me. Simply don’t read it. It’s partisan drivel anyway. Do you all realize that only about a dozen commenters write the thousands of comments that infect the AJC blogs every single day?
These Bookman trolls have nothing else to do. Some of them are very successful people. I mean, wow.
Look, the French Revolution started with the uneducated losers/fish women of Paris going on a rampage. They were sick of it.
Aren’t you?
Lets take over this blog. It’s clicks that rule. Unless I am allowed to write, then don’t click.,
Bookman is total (fill in the blank with your own invective).
he deserves it and you know it.
What really pisses me off is that he thinks he’s in the right. He actually, astonishingly believes that he’s the good guy here. I guess so did Nero, Caligula, Attilla, Henry the Eighth, and Pee Wee Herman.
And I think it’s a damn shame.
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
getalife
SS and Medicare probably won’t stand a chance without serious reforms but Bush really doesn’t deserve nearly as much credit as you leftist attempt to give him for screwing up everything. Especially when this guy obumer, your Prez, has done so little to improve anything for the better.
michelle
December 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
BOOKMAN!!!!
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
Neal Boortzbot @6:13 pm
I would disagree with you slightly. The definition of communism, or at least a minimum knowledge of what communism means, matter. td should explain how bailout of GM is “movement to communism.”
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
td @6:17 pm: “The politics look bad at this time of the year.”
Thank you for agreeing with me.
michelle
December 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm
Thank you, Neal, for my Perry Mason moment.
Bookman and the AJC just lost big time. You should have stfu. You total shlamozzle.
Centrist
December 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm
@ michelle – Some of us NEVER read Bookman’s blog because it is so far out there. You’ll need to explain what is going on.
michelle
December 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
Neal is ANDY. And the definition of communism depends on whether we are at the yellow, orange or red state of alert.
Do the math, morons.
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt
People who claim this really know nothing.
Intelligent people know debt is not good and you can’t get rich by simply borrowing money, especially when you are broke.
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
Neal Boortzbot
December 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm
I right because obumer is basically a Marxist. Just as I’m right that W. Bush is a liberal.
Ross Perot
December 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm
“…you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt.”
People who claim this really know nothing.
He!! yeah. Print more money. It’s funny money anyway. Deficits mean nothing as long as we can print more (sarcasm). Hey dude, do you EVER think you will live to see ANY budget without massive deficit spending?
People who claim this really know nothing.
President downgrade (check the new downgrade warnings for 2013)will have us looking like Europe in no time. But they won’t have the money to bail us out….
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
Intelligent people don’t boil arguments down to oversimplified talking points like yours, fyi.
Please if you are going to talk of intelligence don’t misrepresent simple facts as something more elaborate than they are: That is for your information. So if this is to get into a match a of calling each other stupid, you just lost. I’m not going to play your game.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm
Michael H. Smith @6:28 pm
“Intelligent people know debt is not good”
Nobody disputed that.
“you can’t get rich by simply borrowing money, especially when you are broke.”
Nobody disputed that either. The quotation was “you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt.” Intelligent people recognize the difference.
td
December 22nd, 2011
6:43 pm
td should explain how bailout of GM is “movement to communism.
If it is not communistic to have the government come in and take away the property (stock holdings) of the bourgeoisie and gives it to the proletariat (union) and then not make it mandatory to pay back the government with interest, then what do you call it?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
December 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
michelle
December 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
Neal is ANDY.
Uh, Neal couldn’t carry Andy’s jock strap, just sayin…
And neither can you, Nancy.
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
Nobody disputed that either. The quotation was “you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt.” Intelligent people recognize the difference.
Okay, go ahead give us your formula to get rich by “borrowing” yourself rich that is what I said so don’t come back to add anything to my exact words .
I’m waiting to see how convoluted this is going to get.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:48 pm
td @6:43 pm: “If it is not communistic to have the government come in and take away the property (stock holdings) of the bourgeoisie and gives it to the proletariat (union) and then not make it mandatory to pay back the government with interest, then what do you call it?”
There are only two things wrong with the above. One is, it is a lie that the government “gave the property” to the unions. Second, it has nothing to do with communism.
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
And by the way MarkV lose the innuendos(same as name calling). It is not an indicative of intelligence discourse. .
Streetracer
December 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm
As far as who eventually “wins” (and it is not necessarily a zero sum game) we will have to wait and see what comes out of the conference commitee. As far as who caved today, kinda seems to me that Senate Dems did. House GOP didn’t approve the Senate bill until after Reid agreed to a conference commitee to adress diferences with the house bill (a bill he said that the Senate would never consider).
MarkV: How is your GM stock doing?
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
Michael H. Smith @ 6:47 pm : “Okay, go ahead give us your formula to get rich by “borrowing” yourself rich that is what I said so don’t come back to add anything to my exact words . I’m waiting to see how convoluted this is going to get.”
Nothing is being added to your words.
Michael H. Smith @6:07 pm: “…but you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt.”
There is any number of scenarios by which one can “ borrow himself/herself out of debt, and even “”borrow himself/herself” rich. Any medical doctor who started practice while being in debt because of a college loan, and who borrows money to establish the practice and gets rich. Anybody who gets in debt, borrows money, invests them and makes a killing. One could go on and on.
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
Well, whatdo ya know? Old friend PoFo is back AGAIN. This time he is Michelle, one among many of his numerous IDs. How long has it been, PoFo? I mean you were on Luckovich’s blog, then Bookman’s, and now you favor us with your presence. I do wish you would stay off the booze and the other mind altering stuff..
You have a nice way about cha when you are not running crazy in the wind. So cut it out. Bookman did you a favor. He’s not running a picnic over there. So relax, hon. Courts decide for the sane so you haven’t a chance with your wild $$$ plans.
Now have a nice Christmas. Come again when you are calm. You’ll get to stay awhile.
td
December 22nd, 2011
7:09 pm
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:48 pm
“There are only two things wrong with the above. One is, it is a lie that the government “gave the property” to the unions.”
Really. What do you call it when the government basically bankrupts (without going through the court) GM so that the current stockholders get nothing and then offer the stock (preferred) to the unions health fund? If that is not taking the corporation away from the investors and giving it to the union then what is it? Just so you do not call me a lair again please read the below and go to the link I supplied. Do you have the guts to come on the board and say you were wrong or will you just call me another name or ignore the post?
“Now, with General Motors and Chrysler in bankruptcy and the union a major shareholder in both through its retiree health fund, life has become a lot more complicated for the U.A.W.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/business/02uaw.html
Fred
December 22nd, 2011
7:23 pm
Kyle. Are you a 1percenter? WHat benefits YOU the most? Paying more payroll taxes or the 1 percenters paying something on their record profits from this year. And don’t even try to hand me that “job creator” bullspit. The only jobs that your masters create are in CHINA.
Why do you tote their mail? Do you think if you suck up enough you they will “trickle down’ IE pee on your head?
Just damn.
Our Household makes 200 grand a year. Call me “wealth envious” as it’s the favorite way for deluded poor people who support the 1 percenters to……….. I really don’t know WHAT in the hell they are doing or thinking. They cut their own throats (as you do Kyle) and are glad to do it. WHat the hell is their problem?
Oh well Merry Christmas and may the 1 percenters have it all by next year. We can all eat cake, right?
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm
td @7:09 pm
Nothing in what you have written, or what is in the NYT article means that the government gave the property to unions. It is the same distortion of facts as claiming that bailing out GM was a move toward communism. Such simplistic arguments are worthless.
Carl FTWinslow
December 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
Just a heads up and I know this will be deleted quickly but Kyle is literally sitting at home patrolling this fiefdom nonstop because he’s a crybaby who can’t handle anyone owning him online. He has an ego more fragile than an eggshell and is a complete control freak to boot.
Puzzled
December 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
Interesting that we are receiving a 2 month “gift” that will be paid for by a new indefinite tax on current and future homeowners, and will take 10+ years to recoup the cost. Not real sure I understand/agree with this payback period. Oh I’m sorry, we’re talking about Washington politicians, they don’t seem to live in the real world – maybe they are all secretly related to the Kardashian sisters…!!!
Kylie Wingfeld
December 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm
Kyle don’t get all butthurt on us
American Patriot
December 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
Boehner blinked, no question there. He made a huge mistake in the initial acceptance (the WRONG move), the subsequent “correction” with the idiotic rejection of the extension, followed by today’s acceptance of the only logical solution to get all the rotting egg off his face. So we lost this skirmish which will be forgotten in a week. We TeaParty patriots will ultimately win the war to save our country. To all those hard working union member not on welfare (yet), spend your $40 pizza money wisely. The second economic devaluation of America is only weeks away. Remember, Obama and his large derrièred wife can afford pizza. You won’t in a few months.
Porter
December 22nd, 2011
7:39 pm
Obama will no doubt go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever, if there is anymore American history after he gets through.
td
December 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm
You my friend are in total denial or you believe in Marxism yourself? If you are a Marxist then why not stand up proudly and admit it? I am a libertarian leaning conservative. See it is not that hard. Come on out of the closet my friend and be proud of what you are.
If you are really a moderate democrat and do not believe Obama is a socialist at best and are afraid to admit you made a mistake in voting for him then you really need to take off the blinders and take a look. You can say you were wrong and will not make that mistake again and we will forgive your lack of good judgement this one time. I promise.
Rafe Hollister
December 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm
This payroll tax embarassment may have been Boehner’s Waterloo. There is an old song called Waterloo, the verse mentions that everyone eventually meets their Waterloo. I think that Nov 2012 will be Obama’s waterloo, if the Supreme Court doesn’t deliver it sooner, when they rule that Obamacare is unconstitutional.
lawdawg
December 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
I’m all for tax cuts, but the payroll tax is the WRONG tax to cut. Half of the US pays no income tax at all, and the only tax they pay, if they earn income, is the payroll tax. Everyone needs some “skin in the game.” Plus, the payroll tax has a purpose, which is funding Medicare and Social Security, which already have huge structural funding problems.
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
td @7:42 pm
You, my friend, simply do not know what you are talking/writing about, and that is the problem. To suggest that I am Marxist is simply laughable. The difference between us is that I know what Marxism is, and you do not, as is obvious from everything you write about the subject.
Similarly, I do not believe that Obama is a socialist. I do not know if Obama is a socialist, just as I do not know if you are a fascist, a maoist, or anything else one can think of. What I do know is that there is no evidence you are a fascist or maoist, and that there is no evidence that Obama is a socialist. I have written about this before, and do not want to repeat myself, but one of the main points is that terms like socialist, Marxist and Communist have a specific meaning, and they are misused by people like you.
Billy Bob
December 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
It’s a shame the people don’t realize the money they are getting is being withheld from the SS fund and someone will have to make up the difference at some point in the future. I suspect this is always going to be a problem since any return to the original deduction of 6% will be considered a tax increase and the democrats will always say the repubs are just taxing the poor and middle class. It’s a shame the american people are so gullible they swallow whatever little Barry spews out and the liberal media spreads it as the truth. This country is going down the tubes. Have a great day.
Rafe Hollister
December 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
td
No chance you will ever get a liberal, who claim they are progressives not liberals, to ever admit what they are or what policies they support. They lead a life of distortion, incrementalism, denial, and minimization.
You know how it goes, we are not socialist, we just believe the rich do not pay their fair share. Ok, what’s fair, well they need to pay more. How much more, more than they are paying, blah, blah, blah.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
td has selective memory. obama “bailed ” out car makers yet republicans have never seen an airline they werent willing to bailout.
I bet if it was a corporate tax cut or capital gains cut Republican Kooks wouldne be denading deregulating this and that or paying for it somewhere else to get ot passed. No sir ree. We on to the carp Republicans are shoveling.
td
December 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
Since I do not know then why do you not 5 minutes and educate me on what a marxist and socialist are? Please give me some knowledge on the subject.
td
December 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
Rafe Hollister
December 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
You are probably right but when you keep asking the questions then hopefully one day they will take an honest look and at least admit to themselves that they were wrong.
Gary Donehoo
December 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
If the extension of a 2% temporary defunding of Social Security is going to cause financial ruin of this country, then obama and the democrats have screwed up this country worst than anyone thought.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
Republican communism for td aka tird ball, 9. Airline Industry (2001) $18.6 billion
The terrorist attacks of September 11 crippled an already financially troubled industry. To bail out the airlines, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act, which compensated airlines for the mandatory grounding of aircraft after the attacks. The act released $5 billion in compensation and an additional $10 billion in loan guarantees or other federal credit instruments.
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm
michelle………………no one cares if you were banned…..hopefully it will happen to you again…….very soon……..
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
td @8:01 pm: “Since I do not know then why do you not 5 minutes and educate me on what a marxist and socialist are? Please give me some knowledge on the subject.”
Your question by itself show the shallowness of your worldview. It is a view in which you can be educated in subjects, such as socialism and Marxism, in 5 minutes. Why don’t you educate yourself?
But to prevent you from claiming that I evaded the question, I will give you the shortest answer I have time for. A socialist is, naturally, a person believing in the economy system of socialism, the main part of which is the state ownership of the means of production, centralized planning of production and centralized decision regarding the rewards.
A Marxist is a person adhering to Marx’s theory of history, and an economic and political program. Such theory and program seeks the elimination of private property, ” public ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. “dictatorship of the proletariat” as a step toward communism There is no evidence that Obama subscribes to these doctrines.
You do not become a Christian by agreeing with something Jesus said, such as “Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Luke 18:22) It does not make Jesus a Marxist either. You are not a Marxist if you say something that coincidentally appears in some writing of Marx or of another prominent Marxist. You are not a Marxist if you decry the “inequalities in the distribution of wealth,” mentioned in the Communist Manifesto. Marx denounced sexism and racism. You are not a Marxist if you oppose sexism or racism.
td
December 22nd, 2011
8:15 pm
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm
If it was a true tax cut then yes I would be screaming for it to pass because it would stimulate the economy immediately. The so called pay roll tax cut is not a tax it is an insurance premium for benefits you and I are suppose to receive in the future. The people that support this reduction now are probably the same people took those huge equity lines of credit for the new house, big vacation or new car and then when the bill came due walked out of there house and left it up the the tax payers to pick up the tab. We can enjoy this now but who is going to pick up the tab when this bill is due? I guess you all do not have a problem placing this bill on your kids or grand children? I think it is disgusting myself.
Jeff and the Camaros
December 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
And the heck of it is…most people don’t realize that it’s just a weekly cut in what you pay, not an increase or decrease from your total tax bill. The folks that are paying this–the middle class–all pay taxes or get refunds every year, so the $40 that you don’t pay or pay, all comes out in the wash when you pay your taxes next year.
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
td is the lowest form of human on the planet with nary a self-thought comment and I am ashamed he MAY be from the state of Georgia. But he enjoys seeing his crap in print so you guys just keep telling him the facts and he’ll just keep trolling along. Ignore him and he will implode even before Obama wins four more years.
td
December 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
I see you are back Billy or is it prince? I thought Kyle ran you off by shinning light on your name changes?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
BRW, I just read td’s most recent comment and it seems perfectly reasonable and factually correct.
Oh, that’s why you have a problem with it.
Go back to the fact-free fantasyland known as the Democrat plantation, where everything is free and no one has to work for a living.
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm
tick…………tick…………tick……..he’s about to blow ……………
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
8:33 pm
Never been a Prince, or changed a name. Stressed yet?
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
Having someone get your back like LBB (RD) must make you all warm inside…..
Centrist
December 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
@ Rafe Hollister – The 2 month and at least and eventual added year of the FICA tax cut debate is far from over. This week’s minor skirmish will soon be forgotten.
The airlines were bailed out by stockholders, creditors, employees, and retirees while management took bonuses for “saving” them.
@ Fred – The top 1% (earn over $380K) not paying enough taxes (38% of all income taxes), but most of these taxpayers are dual income families who have and paid for post college graduate degrees and specialized apprentice training while living in relative poverty like doctors, dentists, lawyers, scientists, engineers, architects, airline pilots, accountants, superintendents, high level administrators, etc. Many others are finally successful small businesses which employ most of the workforce. These folks are in the top progressive WAGES tax bracket of 35%, and their exemptions and deductions are phased out raising their EFFECTIVE tax rates even more to the highest levels (more progressiveness in taxpaying than just the marginal tax brackets). This is where most of the specialized schooled professionals and successful small business owners who create jobs fit. How much MORE of a “fair share” should they pay, and what will their reactions be in regard to productivity and employees be if they get hit with yet even greater taxes?
The top .02% of incomes (300,000 Americans) make more than a million a year – some pay no or little in taxes – that AMT didn’t catch them like middle class taxpayers. Their income is not mostly wages like those heavily taxed for lesser incomes. Those lower capital gains rate taxes, credits, loopholes, and trusts were made for them by BOTH Democrats and Republican politicians. They inherited, created successful corporations, or are senior management, Wall Street brokers, politicians, entertainment and sports stars. The government has kept many of them on top with all of those billions of dollars in bailouts. Not coincidentally, this is where most of campaign contributions come from so they will ALWAYS be protected from paying taxes like “the little people”.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
National debt at beginning of the Obozo regime: $10.6 trillion
National debt as of today: $15.1 trillion
Not bad for two-plus years.
Obozo: Fail.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
8:38 pm
Centrist: The top .02% of incomes (300,000 Americans) make more than a million a year – some pay no or little in taxes
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Name one, or provide a link to a credible source.
td
December 22nd, 2011
8:41 pm
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
“the main part of which is the state ownership of the means of production, centralized planning of production and centralized decision regarding the rewards”
I think you mean social ownership instead of state ownership but let us take the last part of your definition and examine it for a minute. Is it or is it not true that the main elements of Obama care is that the central government will control who gets what health care and at what price? Is it or is it not true that everyone under Obama care will get equal care? Does this not sound like your definition of socialism?
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
@Cornbreesha December 22nd, 2011 6:12 pm – I’m with the earlier poster who questioned how this latest government handout is being paid for.
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Corn baby, you sound just as IGNORANT AS YOUR NAME!
Giving millions of people a BREAK is a HANDOUT?
With a name like yours You are NOT IN THE 1% and I bet you will BENEFIT from this HANDOUT TOO!
Ain’t no shame in the game. Don’t hate the PLAYER hate the GAME!
You are NOT IN THE 1%
td
December 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
8:33 pm
Never been a Prince, or changed a name. Stressed yet?
Stessed why? Why should I care what a whiner thinks about me? I just know I scored another TOUCH DOWN!!!!!! Every time one of you libs blows his or her top then It is just like scoring one for the mighty DAWGS. Is not life great.
Hope you have a very merry Christmas and hope Santa will leave you more than a lump of coal. May God bless you and give you the intelligence to wake up and become a responsible human being.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm
Well then td, if cutting taxes for workers by 200 billion wont help the economy then raising taxes on millionaires by 200 billion wont hurt it either. Right?
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
There is any number of scenarios by which one can “ borrow himself/herself out of debt, and even “”borrow himself/herself” rich. Any medical doctor who started practice while being in debt because of a college loan, and who borrows money to establish the practice and gets rich. Anybody who gets in debt, borrows money, invests them and makes a killing. One could go on and on.
WRONG! And, you most certainly did ADD to my words to my comment, as I knew you would. I said nothing about loans to make investments. I’ll remind you exactly what I said was… Michael H. Smith @6:07 pm: “…but you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt.”
Where did I say anything about you can’t borrow and invest yourself rich?
I didn’t say that at all!
What you are saying involves INVESTING, which is totally different from my statement.
Didn’t take long for you to discredit yourself on that one.
Yeah but no doubt you certainly can go on!
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) December 22nd, 2011 8:35 pm – National debt at beginning of the Obozo regime: $10.6 trillion – National debt as of today: $15.1 trillion – Not bad for two-plus years.
Obozo: Fail.
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TODAY OBOZO OUTSMARTED THE ANGRY WHITE MEN!
That Harvard diploma came in handy.
DON’T HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME!
td
December 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
Having someone get your back like LBB (RD) must make you all warm inside…..
It sure does make a person feel all warm and fussy on the inside when other intelligent members of the community acknowledge ones words as being the truth and nothing but the truth. You should try it one day and I promise I will give you the proper respect and then you can feel good that you earned the respect.
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) December 22nd, 2011 8:29 pm – Go back to the fact-free fantasyland known as the Democrat plantation, where everything is free and no one has to work for a living.
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OBOZO OUTSMARTED YOUR ANGRY WHITE MEN REPUBLICANS!
THEY CAVED! THE REPUBLICANS AIN’T THAT SMART ARE THEY?
Maybe they need to apply for admission to Harvard!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
td
December 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm
It depends on the reason for raising the taxes. If it is to pay for more welfare programs then the answer is no.
Centrist
December 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm
Links won’t post correctly here. Google this: millionaires not paying taxes
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
I was watching Dr. Monica Crowley on FoxBiz News and she seen this payroll tax cut in the same context as I do.
Cutting payroll taxes is a no-brainer with SS and Medicare already in fiscal difficulties. Yeah but I know this is the same old game politicians play all the time, put money in front of somebody and they take it, they really don’t care where it came from, are who the politicians took the money from just give me the money right here and now no matter what the consequences are going to be tomorrow.
Now you should know who really caused the MESS!
We have only ourselves to thank.
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) December 22nd, 2011 8:29 pm
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Uh uh — Looks like another ANGRY WHITE MAN just bit the dust.
Ron Paul’s PAST JUST CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. They are DROPPING LIKE THE FLIES THEY ARE.
ANGRY WHITE MEN need to keep their BIG mouths SHUT and stop putting their FOOT in it!
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) December 22nd, 2011 8:29 pm –
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What’s that sound I hear?
ITS JOHN BOEHNER CRYING UNCLE!
Thanks ANGRY WHITE MEN – OBAMA in 2012
td
December 22nd, 2011
9:06 pm
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
Dr. Crowley is a very smart woman. There will now be a crisis is social security in a few years and I can hear the progressive solutions now:
1: Means test the program (the evil rich do not deserve the benefits)
2: Raise the income limits.
3: Retirement security. Let us confiscate all the 401k accounts and retirement accounts so that everyone can receive something (the same amount) in retirement.
Centrist
December 22nd, 2011
9:08 pm
Our tax problem is mostly from the tax cheating underground economy, and this vote buying tactic:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/–OpD5Ei1noQ/To4wBSFXOSI/AAAAAAAAMIQ/94BWwl2aBk8/s1600/fair+share%252C+obama+cartoons.jpg
td
December 22nd, 2011
9:09 pm
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm
Can you please explain to us “angry white men” how your savior in chief is going to win re election next year? What states will he win? BTW: you do understand that if you are going to the polls in Georgia to vote for Obama next year that your vote will not be counted? All the votes from Georgia will be cast for the Republican nominee.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
9:09 pm
Centrist–I found a link at ABC News. Here is how some millionaires end up not paying income taxes…
“In most cases, they are paying taxes outside the U.S. and the federal government says, ‘We are not going to double tax you. If you pay tax overseas and that’s as much or more than you pay here, we aren’t going to charge you more,’” Williams said.
Mark Robyn, an economist at the Tax Foundation, said this foreign income tax credit avoids the problem of double taxation.
“That generally seems like a pretty acceptable feature of a tax code — to avoid unfairly taxing people twice for the same income,” Robyn said.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
9:10 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/1500-millionaires-pay-income-tax/story?id=14242254#.TvPiUzX2Yus
Michael H. Smith
December 22nd, 2011
9:16 pm
Centrist
December 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm
Yeah and why aren’t those millionaires and billionaires paying taxes?
It isn’t because their tax rate isn’t high enough.
Listen real closely because I’m going to whisper type the reason this time around so maybe even the brain dead will figure out how to make the so-called “evil rich” pay what has been called “their fair share”.
Are you ready silent drum roll please… Eliminate all subsidies e.g. tax shelters, exemptions, loopholes, carve-outs etc., etc.
Rafe Hollister
December 22nd, 2011
9:19 pm
What goes around
THEY CAVED! THE REPUBLICANS AIN’T THAT SMART ARE THEY?
Maybe they need to apply for admission to Harvard!
Which brings to mind a question, how did a self admitted “poor” student at Occidental College get admitted to Harvard? Any why does he block the release of his educational records? Why do we know how poorly Rick Perry did in his classes at Po Dunk Univ in Texas, but do not know a thing about Obama’s record. Why has none of his peers ever come forward with war stories about the good ole days hanging with bro Barry at Harvard yard? Mystifying to say the least.
BRW
December 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
td…………tick…………..td……………tick……….empty words still
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
WHERE YOU AT LIL BARRY BAILOUT!
Your silence is deafening!
Looks like OBOZO is going to be “YOUR” president fo mo years!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
9:25 pm
Funny how the one goober here hung up on race is…a Democrat Obozo supporter.
But that’s pretty much the way it is all over. Republicans don’t care what race people are. To Democrats, it’s everything.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
9:25 pm
TD, would you raise taxes on millionaires to pay for the two unfunded wars, medicare part d republican created communism, dept of homeland security and its 177000 employees republican created communism?
L. Barry Obozo
December 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm
Ya jas gosta loves it when these Obamaphiles talks dirty.
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm
@Rafe Hollister December 22nd, 2011 9:19 pm – Which brings to mind a question, how did a self admitted “poor” student at Occidental College get admitted to Harvard? Any why does he block the release of his educational records?
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I don’t give a RATS A## about Obama’s grades!
STOP PLAYING DOG WHISTLE POLITICS BRO!
Obama is smarter than any of those ANGRY WHITE MEN REPUBLICANS and TODAY PROVED IT!
Get over it …………THE ANGRY WHITE MEN GOT OUTSMARTED BY THE COOL CALM BLACK MAN FROM HARVARD!
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha:)
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
Well, well, Obama did indeed outsmart the angry white man. Also the angry black man, the angry red man, the angry tan man and the yellow one.. Yep, he got a two month temporary expensive bill passed and then took off on one of those million dollar vacations in Hawaii.
You got to hand it to him. He’s got the “poor” guys voting for him and begging for him! But they are still poor and so is everybody else with the US debt growing like Topsy.
Yes sir, this man’s gotta have a fine vacation,. Everybody should, even the poor guy who voted for him and can only afford a ride downtown on MARTA.
Yep, he outsmarted everybody. And yet some of the losers keep applauding!
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
Dear Republicans Kooks, “Job creators” Tiger Woods, Brett Favre, etc are suffering and need a tax break.
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) December 22nd, 2011 – 9:25 pm
Funny how the one goober here hung up on race is…a Democrat Obozo supporter.
But that’s pretty much the way it is all over. Republicans don’t care what race people are. To Democrats, it’s everything.
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Did I HURT YO FEELING LIL BIDDY?
I would rather be a Democrat Obozo supporter than AN ANGRY WHITE MEN REPUBLICAN SUPPORTER!
HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT FOR YA?
Are you among the CAVE MEN?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
“Job creator” and feetsball playuhh Chris Johnson signs a revised four-year, $53.5 million contract extension with $30 million guaranteed.
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
@Dusty December 22nd, 2011 – 30 pm
Well, well, Obama did indeed outsmart the angry white man. Also the angry black man, the angry red man, the angry tan man and the yellow one.. Yep, he got a two month temporary expensive bill passed and then took off on one of those million dollar vacations in Hawaii.
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Listen GREEN EYED MONSTER! Don’t hate the player hate the game!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm
“Job creators” in baseball………..Name Position Team(s) Salary Ref
Rodriguez, AlexAlex Rodriguez 3B New York Yankees $32,000,000 [16]
Wells, VernonVernon Wells OF Los Angeles Angels $26,187,500 [17]
Sabathia, CCCC Sabathia SP New York Yankees $24,285,714 [18]
Teixeira, MarkMark Teixeira 1B New York Yankees $23,125,000 [19]
Mauer, JoeJoe Mauer C Minnesota Twins $23,000,000 [20]
Santana, JohanJohan Santana SP New York Mets $21,644,707 [21]
Helton, ToddTodd Helton 1B Colorado Rockies $20,275,000 [22]
Cabrera, MiguelMiguel Cabrera 1B Detroit Tigers $20,000,000 [23]
Halladay, RoyRoy Halladay SP Philadelphia Phillies $20,000,000 [24]
Howard, RyanRyan Howard 1B Philadelphia Phillies $20,000,000 [25]
Beltran, CarlosCarlos Beltran RF San Francisco Giants $19,325,436 [26]
Lee, CarlosCarlos Lee LF Houston Astros $19,000,000 [27]
Soriano, AlfonsoAlfonso Soriano LF Chicago Cubs $19,000,000 [28]
Zambrano, CarlosCarlos Zambrano SP Chicago Cubs $18,875,000 [29]
Hunter, ToriiTorii Hunter CF Los Angeles Angels $18,500,000 [30]
Zito, BarryBarry Zito SP San Francisco Giants $18,500,000 [31]
Bay, JasonJason Bay OF New York Mets $18,125,000 [32]
Suzuki, IchiroIchiro Suzuki RF Seattle Mariners $18,000,000 [33]
Beckett, JoshJosh Beckett SP Boston Red Sox $17,000,000 [34]
Burnett, A.J.A.J. Burnett SP New York Yankees $16,500,000 [35]
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm
Listen, Minnie Hahahaha, nobody is hating anybody but you. You are so busy gloating you think everybody is doing it.
There was a political discussion before you barged in laying fouls on the players. Go ride MARTA and take a vacation! You deserve it!
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm
Whatever YOU ANGRY WHITE MEN HAVE I hope it is not CONTAGIOUS!
Now Ron Paul has been EXPOSED for RACIAL comments he published in a newsletter years ago and now he is DENYING IT!
COWARDS. ANGRY WHITE MEN throw rocks and hide their hands.
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm
SHINE,
If you shine enough shoes, you can be a “job creator” too. Get busy! Pouting over somebody who “made it” will get you nowhere. Ahhh, wealth envy, the plague of mankind!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm
Shine’s point appears to be that some people earn more than others.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
td
December 22nd, 2011
9:54 pm
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm
And how much of that money do they spend and how many jobs does that produce? What should the government do with all this money? Redistribute it to the people that do not have the same skill sets as these players? Set up more useless government programs that do not help prevent poverty?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
9:54 pm
Yeah, we would really hate it if Ron Paul got taken out so bad that he didn’t even consider a third-party run. Be careful what you wish for, einstein.
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm
What goes Round
I don’t know what neighborhood you live in but I haven’t seen a single white (or black) man throwing rocks.
Where’s that park where you do your preaching? You still got a tent there?
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm
Dusty December 22nd, 2011 9:46 pm – Go ride MARTA and take a vacation! You deserve it!
There was a political discussion before you barged in
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You aint the boss of me boss!
You would not know a political discussion if it hit you over the head. All I ever read is BS, lies and dog whistle comments. All you do is berate and disrespect everyone who does not agree with you.
The trouble with “YOU PEOPLE” is you can DISH IT but you can’t TAKE IT.
Good Night
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:58 pm
@Dusty December 22nd, 2011 9:56 pm
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Listen up Rusty Dusyt @@#$#$$ @@@ %^%$%% @@@@ $$$ **** YOU
td
December 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm
It is so nice to know that on election day next year that I am going to be thinking about you. I am going to walk into the polling booth and cast my vote for the Republican nominee and laugh all the way back home knowing that this “angry white man” just made sure your vote for Obama was not counted. LOL TOUCH DOWN DAWGS win!!!!!!!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm
We trust that when you come back tomorrow, you’ll have another clever screen name…”If It Ain’t Broke Don’t Fix It”…”I’m With Stupid”…”Ass Gas Or Grass, Nobody Rides For Free”…
Let’s hope the convenience store doesn’t run out of koozies.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm
Job creators…gag. Them aint job creators is the point. Yall sound like yall got class envy.
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
10:12 pm
My my, looks like I may have been nominated for the Most Popular Woman Award.@9:58
,
Well, thank you very much but I cannot accept. It might make me rich and famous and force me to take vacations in Hawaii.
(Just a joke, honey, relax!)
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:13 pm
And when the electoral college is tallied up, i will sleep well knowing td and the rest of the kooks here votes in Ga did not count…..just like last time…lmao! save ya gas cause yall dont matter!!
td
December 22nd, 2011
10:18 pm
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:13 pm
And when the electoral college is tallied up, i will sleep well knowing td and the rest of the kooks here votes in Ga did not count…..just like last time…lmao! save ya gas cause yall dont matter!!
See you do not understand my friend. When the electoral college is added up it will say for histories sake that Georgia cast 16 votes for the Republican nominee (even if Obama wins) but there will be no record of the Obama supporter in Georgia ever cast a vote. My vote will count but the Obama voter’s in Georgia will not. Just thrown out like the bath water never to be seen.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm
Td doesnt understand point systems. When you get 10 and the opponent gets 11 you lose just like you would if you had gotten zero. Save ya gas!! No GOP votes in Ga matter!
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
10:28 pm
Awww Shine dun gone and got mad! Can’t even sleep good.
Come on, Shine, we all matter, doncha know? That’s why we got us a great country. Remember?
So sleep tight and forget elections. We’ve had ‘em before and we argued and we made it. No use to run up the old BP for a whole year. Not good for you.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:30 pm
Aw, Dusty done messed his diaper. He knows when the fog between his ears has been exposed.
Andre
December 22nd, 2011
10:32 pm
You all should know by now TD is a troll and you should just ignore him.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:35 pm
Andre is right. But its such fun pointing out to td that he is, like the poor, just irrelevant.
Geo
December 22nd, 2011
10:38 pm
Oh Great!! Now our friends on the Left can stick their backsides up in the air and enjoy a sixty day hiatus.
Enjoy more air time.
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
10:39 pm
Awww SHINE almost a good one!
Except I gave up diapers at age one and I’m a luminous lady lighthouse of learning and literature.
Ha! And you did not even notice! Awwww
td
December 22nd, 2011
10:41 pm
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm
It is still way to early to tell if Obama is going to be re elected or not next year but I have some serious questions as to how he will win such states as Ohio, Florida, NH, NC and even Penn next year when his state approval ratings in those states are as low if not lower then they are in Georgia. Could you answer that question?
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:41 pm
Geo, maybe that boot in the nuts the GOP just got will heal by then and they start acting sane.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:42 pm
TD, Riddle me this and riddle me that when Novemeber comes we will have a chat.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:44 pm
Yes, the fogbank between the ears is thick thick thick on the Dusty one.
td
December 22nd, 2011
10:47 pm
Andre
December 22nd, 2011
10:32 pm
You all should know by now TD is a troll
What is a troll?
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
10:48 pm
td @8:41 pm: “MarkV: “the main part of which is the state ownership of the means of production, centralized planning of production and centralized decision regarding the rewards”
“I think you mean social ownership instead of state ownership…”
No, I did not mean social ownership. I meant and mean state ownership, and that is what socialism means.
“Is it or is it not true that the main elements of Obama care is that the central government will control who gets what health care and at what price?”
No, it is not true.
“Is it or is it not true that everyone under Obama care will get equal care?”
No, it is not true.
“Does this not sound like your definition of socialism?”
No, it does not, and it would not be a definition of socials in any case. If you have any ability of thinking, you will realize what nonsense you have just stated.
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
10:52 pm
Andre
December 22nd, 2011
10:32 pm
You all should know by now TD is a troll and you should just ignore him.
Andre, do you see any other trolls here? You do know what a troll is, right?
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
10:55 pm
Michael H. Smith @8:50 pm
As usual, you do not make any sense. I did not add anything to your comment, I quoted it exactly. If this is your example of your ability to present arguments, you should find another hobby.
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
10:55 pm
A troll is usually a noun, but can be an adjective. I hope this clarifies any confusion in the fogbank crowd.
Dusty
December 22nd, 2011
10:59 pm
Well, tomorrow is going to be better. Get your shopping done and your figgy pudding ready.
Twas three nights before Christmas and all through the house…not a creature was……….
(You finish….I’m gone..)
td
December 22nd, 2011
11:04 pm
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
10:48 pm
My example fit your definition to a tee but I am wrong? I guess since you will not tell me how it is different then I will just have to believe my view is correct and Obama is a socialist.
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
11:08 pm
@td December 22nd, 2011 10:00 pm – It is so nice to know that on election day next year that I am going to be thinking about you. I am going to walk into the polling booth and cast my vote for the Republican nominee and laugh all the way back home knowing that this “angry white man” just made sure your vote for Obama was not counted. LOL TOUCH DOWN DAWGS win!!!!!!!
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YOU SOUND LIKE A FOOL!
Do you think that WHITE PEOPLE have that much power to make sure MY VOTE DOES NOT COUNT? You are very dillusional and living in the PAST!
Boy…..I would sue you, yo mama, yo daddy, yo daddy’s daddy, yo cousin, yo grandma, yo neighbor. DO YOU GET MY POINT.
This ain’t the old south. The old south is GONE WITH THE WIND! Try that BS and see where it gets you.
In fact, I will be the person in the voting booth right next to you VOTING FOR OBAMA.
Whatever you are smoking it has gone to YOUR ANGRY WHITE MAN’S HEAD.
SEE YOU AT THE VOTING BOOTH BUDDY
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
11:13 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) December 22nd, 2011 – 10:00 pm
We trust that when you come back tomorrow, you’ll have another clever screen name…”If It Ain’t Broke Don’t Fix It”…”I’m With Stupid”…”Ass Gas Or Grass, Nobody Rides For Free”…
Let’s hope the convenience store doesn’t run out of koozies.
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IF THE SHOE FITS……WEAR IT!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ANGRY WHITE MAN
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
11:18 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
@Dusty
@td
Haters haters are OBAMA’S MOTIVATORS.
Don’t hate the player hate the game.
If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen!
Shine
December 22nd, 2011
11:19 pm
I am a Marxist. I am against child labor. Who is with me?
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
http://www.mrrives.com/Technology/?p=195
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
11:24 pm
What Goes Around Comes Around
If you are Black, do you think your “angry White man” posts helps?
If you are White, do you think your “angry White man” posts helps?
What is the purpose of the “angry White man” posts?
td
December 22nd, 2011
11:27 pm
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 22nd, 2011
11:08 pm
Please tell me you are to ignorant to know that you can cast all the votes you want but the President is not directly elected and your vote for Obama WILL NOT BE COUNTED. We elect a President through the electoral college. You go to the voting booth and cast your vote for a set of electors to vote for the President. Georgia is a winner take all state. That means that the set of electors with the most votes get all the votes from the state of Georgia. The Republican nominee will win Georgia next year so all votes from Georgia will be cast for the Republican nominee and NO VOTES WILL BE CAST FOR OBAMA.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm
Georgia is winning the race to the bottom. Angry, stupid white men vote exclusively GOP. Obama doesn’t have a chance here.
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
11:50 pm
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm
What does race have to do with the tax break extension?
Jefferson
December 23rd, 2011
4:01 am
Beat. The GOP.
Greg G
December 23rd, 2011
5:06 am
Everyone one is being bamboozaled here. The republican house DID pass the tax cut bill for a year and sent it to the senate. The democratic senate DID NOT want to pass the tax cut for a year so they wrote their own bill cutting the taxes for only 2 months. So now that they lame stream media has started calling the republicans out for not passing the tax bill ( senate version ), but fail to mention that they had ALREADY passed it for a year and it was the democratic senate that did not want to pass that tax cut. So who should really be blamed for this fisaco?
Monty Python
December 23rd, 2011
6:48 am
Greg, you got it backwards. The two month extension was passed by the Senate first. Boehner had apparently agreed to the deal, and McConnell and Reid got it done. Then the House passed its bill for the one year extension after the rank and file pinned Johnny B to the wall. Get your facts straight.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 23rd, 2011
6:50 am
Greg G: So who should really be blamed for this fisaco?
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Whoever the Obozomedia decides should be blamed. Take a wild guess.
Annoy the media–vote American.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 23rd, 2011
6:55 am
House Passes Extension of Cut to Payroll Taxes
Stephen Crowley/The New York Times
Published: December 13, 2011
WASHINGTON — Defying a veto threat from President Obama, the House on Tuesday passed a bill extending a cut in Social Security payroll taxes for 160 million Americans for another year.
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Senators Lament ‘Maintenance Congress’ Passing Short Tax Cut
December 18, 2011, 7:19 PM EST
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Senate voted to extend an expiring payroll tax cut for two months, with senators concluding their work for the year by putting the same tax cut on their agenda for early in 2012.
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Monty, YOU got it backwards and need to get YOUR facts straight.
The House passed the year long extension Obozo requested. The Senate later passed a two month extension, skipped town, and refused to name negotiators to hammer out a compromise.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 23rd, 2011
7:01 am
Where’d Monty go? Back to the libtard blogs and Obozomedia for fresh talking points?
Michael H. Smith
December 23rd, 2011
7:08 am
MarkV
December 22nd, 2011
10:55 pm
As usual more of your non-sense on top of an addition false statement you made about not adding to the exact words I use, when in fact you did exactly that, I said nothing about making an investment with borrowed money which is totally different from solely borrowing money. Guess what this does make you is very disingenuously silly for attempting to twist a statement out of context into something that was not said implied or inferred by it. However you’ve always appeared to be a Marxist like “obumer” because of your expressed beliefs and support of wealth and income redistribution.
From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
Michael H. Smith
December 23rd, 2011
7:23 am
td
December 22nd, 2011
11:04 pm
You’re safe in your beliefs and the assessment of MarxV. This person firmly supports wealth redistribution as Karl Marx. The worse thing about these socialist (e.g. obumer MarxV etc.) is their misguided ideas that some redistributing wealth is not really Marxist. The only real difference between them and full blown communist is measured by degrees of state ownership and/or control of private ownership and individual liberties.
Just keep canting MarxV:
From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
marko
December 23rd, 2011
8:00 am
Are these really the best politicians money can buy? I’m getting a bit worried here. Wall Street’s invested hundreds of millions of dollars in these guys. Is this really all you get for hundreds of millions these days?
JDW
December 23rd, 2011
8:11 am
@Kyle, well the tantrum is over…I think Gergen has a pretty good analysis this morning.
“Obama is still highly vulnerable and could lose, but the CNN poll coming out of the field this week reveals a remarkable turnaround, especially in the past month…Obama now has a 52%-45% edge over Romney. Against Newt Gingrich, Obama has a 16-point lead, 56%-40%.”
He goes on to say…
“Republicans well remember the mid-1990s when they seized power in Congress and Speaker Newt Gingrich went mano-a-mano with President Bill Clinton. For a while, Gingrich had the upper hand, but Clinton then outmaneuvered him on two governmental shutdowns — and when the momentum turned in Clinton’s favor, he rode it to an easy re-election. No one should doubt that could happen again.”
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/22/opinion/gergen-obama-resurgence/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
I don’t know what will happen but I am pretty sure Boehner et al are wishing they had not overplayed this hand.
gm
December 23rd, 2011
8:17 am
1 year extension was Obama orginal plan but the selfish idiots on the right, once again trying to upstage the President of the United States, at least the rep of past who did not agree with civil rights or other bills came togather for the good of the country, but these selfish brain washed fox news retards rather stomp on the middle class then to work with the President.
President Obama rise in the polls shows people are looking at a bunch of Anti Americans who rather destroy this country just to get power for 2012, thats right retards on the right continue to listen to high school drop out millionaire rush slob limbaugh and no news fox to tell you how the President hates you, what a bunch of sickos on the right”””
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 23rd, 2011
8:59 am
The total number of jobs, from the BLS:
January 2001: 137 million
January 2009: 142 million
November 2011: 140 million
Just sayin’…
stephen
December 23rd, 2011
8:59 am
Kyle, your job of defending these GOP fools must get harder each day. When I listen to “Republican consultants” on tv try to spin this stuff, my head explodes. If the GOP wants to exclusively be Corporate America’s representative body, why dont they just present themselves as such? At least they would appear honest. Seems there are still plenty of deluded right wing voters who would ride that train.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 23rd, 2011
9:04 am
stephen
December 23rd, 2011
8:59 am
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Stupidest Post of the Day.
But it’s early.
clyde
December 23rd, 2011
9:20 am
So we borrow from Social Security,which is due to run out of money in the future,and we delay the coming doom a while longer.Everyone gets $20 or so a week to spend and the beer and cigarette corporations,WalMart etc.gets to hoard a little more cash.Some money will go to small businesses and they will pay a little more tax.And the cycle continues.Any way,as I won’t be here tomorrow,A special merry Christmas to Ragnar and A Merry or Happy to the rest of you all.
Buzz G
December 23rd, 2011
9:21 am
Obama and the Democrats are too stupid and bull-headed to give in. The Republicans are again the adults in the room.
Butch Cassidy
December 23rd, 2011
9:23 am
Buzz G – “Obama and the Democrats are too stupid and bull-headed to give in. The Republicans are again the adults in the room.”
Really? So I guess back in December of 2010, it was the Democrats that were the “adults in the room” because they gave in to the Republicans in order to get the UI extended and the tax cut in place. Right?
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
9:36 am
Black Guy – Obama is black. The knee-jerk knuckle-draggers that make up the GOP hate that.
Obama’s African heritage colors every decision regarding politics and the voting booth that the typical tea-partier makes. It is sad, but you know it’s true. There are still fools that are birthers and believe that Obama is a “muslin”, for god’s sake.
Never misunderestimate the hate, fear, and primitive stupidity that infects the average tea-partier’s heart and brain.
MarkV
December 23rd, 2011
9:51 am
Michael H. Smith @7:08 am
I have no more patience with you, Either you cannot read, or you keep deliberately lying. If you claim I added something to your exact words, then copy and paste from my mail your words, “…you can’t borrow yourself rich or out of debt” with something added to them.
Your above claim can have only two meanings. The first is an inanity, the second one is wrong. But you cannot even hide yourself by inanity.
The first meaning is an inane “You cant’ borrowed yourself rich or our of debt, because after borrowing you will be still in debt.” In other words, assuming that you do nothing with the money. But you have made that claim with reference to a country, and a country, especially the US, does not borrow money just to show that it has it. The assets of the US are visible, and if she wants only to show more money, she can print it. The country borrows money to use it, spend it. And using it wisely, it can get her out of debt.
The other meaning is then “You cant’ borrowed yourself rich or our of debt, even if you use that borrowed money.” That is clearly wrong, as I showed by my examples. Whether you use the money for establishing a practice or investing or anything else is immaterial.
The stupidity of the rest of your mail, and of your mail to td (@7:23 am)) is not worth answering.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
9:52 am
It is sad, really. The GOP is chock full of angry white politicians and demagogues. The newest GOP reps are some of the least-educated people ever to set foot in Congress since the days of Theodore Bilbo. Some of them never set foot on a college campus. Many of them have never left the confines of the United States, some of them don’t even have a passport. And GOPers are perfectly happy letting these dunces run our country – into the ground.
As ineffective as Obama has been, he still polls well against any of the circus acts that are running for the GOP nomination. The GOP candidates have to run a gauntlet of voters that include the angriest, least-educated, superstitious, anti-education and anti-learning voters in the world except maybe Afghanistan, and by pandering to these rubes, most voters are laughing at them.
And, by appealing to old angry white males, the GOP has backed itself into a corner. Like the Buick division of General Motors found out, the old fat angry white demographic continues to shrink. Decent intelligent people aren’t buying the GOP product.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
10:08 am
Odd that over a third of tea-partiers are retired.
While I am sure I will get some specious arguments from the “conservative” flotsam and jetsam that troll here, we can reasonably assume that the vast majority of these folks derive a significant percentage (if not all) of their income from Social Security, and liberally use the Medicare system to pay for their stents, angiograms, arthritis, diabetes, and other lifestyle diseases that they are unwilling to confront as they eat and drink themselves into long, slow declines that involve ever-increasing medical and hospitalization costs.
Some of them even bleat “get government out of my Medicare!”
They are blind to their own hypocrisy, or too stupid to see it.
redneckbluedog
December 23rd, 2011
10:09 am
Happy Holidays…One comment in the interest of the season…The Republicans’ problem in this fight was the hypocrisy…In the Tea Party, you have Phil Gingrey and Phil Roe, both doctors, who voted AGAINST the doc fix in the bill…..Not only did they put politics before country, they put politics before their own fellow colleagues..!!!! No way you can win like that….
MarkV
December 23rd, 2011
10:17 am
…”worse thing about these socialist (e.g. obumer MarxV etc.)…”
“I will also have high tolerance for labels (e.g., socialist, fascist, wingnut) regardless of political orientation, if only because they reveal weakness on the labeler’s part.” (Kyle Wingfield, blog rules)
zeke
December 23rd, 2011
10:26 am
The actual ignorance of those in DC, Republican, Democrat and so called independent, is absolutely astounding! Social Security is going broke in 30 or so years. And, they take money away from it?! Shows the lack of common sense by all! They should have left SS alone and reduced the income tax rate to offer the same benefit to the taxpayers!
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
11:06 am
The reduction in the SS tax was supposed to compensate for the end of the Make Work Pay $400 tax credit.
Concealed by the noise and obfuscation from the Grover Norquist crowd, an ugly fact of our tax system remains: income from “work”, or “labor”, is taxed at a significantly higher rate than income from investments. Most Americans pride themselves on doing an honest day’s work for their pay, yet we penalize them severely for working for wages. Income from wages and salaries is taxed up to 38%, while the highest tax rate for “long-term” (only 12 months) is only 15%, and many people with capital gains pay NO tax on the income.
Where is the equity in this? Why won’t the Norquist crowd address this? It is largely because they are bought and paid for by folks like the Kochs who want to undermine our country’s economy and government?
The SS reduction is an attempt to keep money in the pockets of people that actually work for a living, as opposed to living off of inheritances and financial manipulations.
The Make Work Pay credit should be increased and extended, which would lessen the tax burden of EVERYONE that works for a living. The ridiculousness of not taxing capital gains should be ended, income is income, and the notion that not taxing capital gains creates job has been proven a lie by the last 8 years of the Bush tax cuts. More money in the hands of people who need it to buy the basics of living will stimulate the economy for everyone.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
11:35 am
The cry-baby Boehner must be getting tired of bending over for the Tea-party contingent in the House.
And interesting that he’s allowed the smarmy smug thugs Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan to be the public faces of the “tax resistance”, a.k.a “protecting the rich”. The two of them are frat-boy types that look like they would be more than comfortable at Goldman Sachs selling worthless debt instruments or scamming folks in hedge funds and derivative markets – Ryan even charges a fee to attend his town halls.
Both of them are posterboys for “pay to play” democracy. Only the tea-partiers are dumb enough not to see it.
MrLiberty
December 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm
Economic uncertainly was one of the main contributing factors to the fact that the first Depression lasted so long. Every week FDR and his stooges were coming up with something new and horrible to ruin american business and prosperity. Looks like Obama and the rest of the idiots in washington (well, there are at least 2 who aren’t – the Paul boys) are taking their clues from the 30’s and 40’s.
Tax policy that lasts 2 months is disgusting. I guess it never occurred to any of these clowns how difficult it is to change, validate, etc. automated tax software. Since the government forces businesses to be their tax collectors and pays them nothing for the service, the burden falls on them alone to implement these constant changes. Many may have already been working on changing back to the existing tax rates and now have to go back to the decreased levels, etc. And again deal with that in 2 more months.
And yet the pundits cannot figure out what someone like Ron Paul, who stands opposed to everything that washington has become, is gaining so much momentum among the citizens of this country.
AMERICA IS SICK AND TIRED OF THE SAME OLD IDIOTS THAT INFEST OUR NATION’S CAPITAL. THEY WANT REAL CHANGE. WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
Ron Paul 2012.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 23rd, 2011
1:20 pm
Obozo and the partisan, obstructionist Democrat party: Legislating two months at a time.
If you voted for them, you’re an idiot. Yes, I just said that.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
1:26 pm
If you loved the 1850s, you’ll love Ron Paul.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
1:43 pm
Mr. Liberty –
Woe is me! Another Y2K catastrophe!!
You are being ridiculous and asinine. Two or three programmers at ADP and Paychex just got themselves another 15 minutes of work, and if you are performing your payroll inhouse, if your company’s payroll clerk can’t figure out how to make this change in under five minutes, fire him/her.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm
Cantor’s daddy made millions in DC real estate, and Eric’s only real-world work experience is working for him. No wonder he hates the so-called “death tax” and capital gains taxes. “Work” for Eric Cantor means making sure he has access to the family millions.
Ryan’s story seems a little more hard luck, but it really ain’t. His daddy died when he was in high school, but his great-grandfather’s family business was successful enough that Ryan was able to use the SS survivor benefits for his college tuition. His mother, worried that he would become a ski-bum after college, cajoled him into working for the family business, which made most of its money on public construction projects – please note – PUBLIC.
How many of you had the luxury of contemplating being a ski-bum after your college graduation?
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
December 23rd, 2011
2:01 pm
Paul Ryan’s 2010 financial disclosure statement shows his net worth to be between $1M and $3M. Eric Cantor’s shows a net worth between $3M and $8M.
gm
December 23rd, 2011
4:05 pm
Thanks President Obama for keeping your campaign promise and bringing our troops home for the holiday’s rep and dem, you are truly the real deal, you show humility and concern and thanks for bringing family values back to the White house.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 23rd, 2011
4:19 pm
Paul Ryan’s 2010 financial disclosure statement shows his net worth to be between $1M and $3M. Eric Cantor’s shows a net worth between $3M and $8M.
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And this is any of your business because…
Envy is an ugly thing–you need to work on that.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
December 23rd, 2011
4:42 pm
You Obozo receptacles need to be reminded of the Seven Deadly Sins, based on your recent behavior. Pay heed especially to 3, 4, and 6.
1 Lust
2 Gluttony
3 Greed
4 Sloth
5 Wrath
6 Envy
7 Pride
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 23rd, 2011
6:59 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) December 23rd, 2011 1:20 pm – -Obozo and the partisan, obstructionist Democrat party: Legislating two months at a time. If you voted for them, you’re an idiot. Yes, I just said that.
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OBOZO kicked the Republicans where the sun don’t shine! THEY CAVED! THEY DROPPED IT LIKES IT HOT! THEY WERE COWARDS! John Boehner is an IDIOT!
OBOZO (1) REPUBLICANS (0)
ALOHA
What Goes Around Comes Around
December 23rd, 2011
7:02 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) December 23rd, 2011 1:20 pm – -
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OBOZO OUTSMARTED THE DUMB REPUBLICANS AGAIN!
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independent thinker
December 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm
The payroll tax cut will be funded by Obama ending our twenty year military obsession with Iraq. The Bush family cost us over a trillion dollars fighting since 1991 with Sadaam and then trying to put all the broken ifrastructure back together that we shattered.and keep the locals from fighing an inevitable civil war with us in the middle.