About the Gingrich and gay-marriage kerfuffle (video)

Here are some headlines on blogs and websites today concerning something Newt Gingrich said in Iowa:

and the most to-the-slanted-point:

Now here is the exchange that prompted those headlines:

Transcript, for those who can’t or don’t want to watch the video:

Questioner: My question is, is how do you plan to engage with such a large community of people who, on this one specific issue, do not support you? [They] may agree with you on the other parts of what you stand for — but how do you plan to engage and get the vote of gay Americans and those who support them?

Gingrich: I think for those to whom the only issue that really matters is the definition of marriage, I won’t get their support. I accept that that’s a reality. On the other hand, for those to whom it’s not the central issue in their life, if they care about job creation, if they care about national security, if they care about a better future for the country at large, then I think I’ll get their support.

Questioner: So what if it is the biggest issue?

Gingrich: Then I won’t get their support.

Questioner: How do we engage if you’re elected? Then what, what does that mean?

Gingrich: Well then you engage in every topic except that.

Questioner: Except it’s most important (some crosstalk).

Gingrich: Well, if that’s most important to you then you should be for [Barack] Obama.

Questioner: I am, thank you.

Gingrich: It’s perfectly legitimate. I think that’s perfectly legitimate.

A couple of points:

First, “Gingrich doesn’t want the gay vote,” and variations thereof, are misleading. What Gingrich clearly said is that he doesn’t think he deserves or will get the vote of those Americans for whom gay marriage is the No. 1 issue in this election. This is news?

Second, it’s not entirely clear to me that there are as many people who fall into this group — i.e., gay marriage is their most important issue — as the questioner in the video lets on. Gallup polling over the past few months suggests less than 1 percent of respondents think “gay rights issues” — which presumably comprise more than just gay marriage — are atop the list of problems facing the country. Given that an estimated 3 percent to 4 percent of Americans self-identify as gay, you would think the issue would register on such a poll if a substantial proportion of this population felt it was the most important issue that made them single-issue voters, as opposed to an important issue they’ll weigh along with other important issues. As with other sub-populations, gay Americans are affected by most of the same problems as everyone else. (I acknowledge there may be a difference between “most important issue facing the country” and “most important issue to me,” but this was the best polling I could find on the topic. Feel free to share another poll result in the comments thread.)

What these reports do accomplish, however, is further branding one candidate — and, by obvious extension, his party — as being “anti” a whole group of Americans. And it’s done by some of the same people who will, within days if not hours, wring their hands about the polarization of Americans politics.

Sigh.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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246 comments Add your comment

JDW

December 21st, 2011
12:28 pm

It might be the most honest thing Newt has told a voter this year!

DW

December 21st, 2011
12:35 pm

How many gay people were seriously considering voting for Newt before this??

Taft Punk

December 21st, 2011
12:38 pm

lol it’s funny watching Kyle fall over himself apologizing for a second-rate candidate

scrappy

December 21st, 2011
1:08 pm

“What these reports do accomplish, however, is further branding one candidate — and, by obvious extension, his party — as being “anti” a whole group of Americans.”

Because this is not true? His party IS anti a whole group of Americans, it is not the reports that it make it so.

To more accurate, perhaps they should have expanded the article to include all the other groups of Americans that the GOP is against too? That would have been quite a lengthy article…

Darwin

December 21st, 2011
1:12 pm

One question please? Did Obama state he was for gay marriage?

NANA

December 21st, 2011
1:12 pm

He’s a pig. But we already knew that, right? And I wonder if there is a gay anywhere who was considering voting for him to begin with.

td

December 21st, 2011
1:15 pm

Newt is correct with his statement. Let us expand on this a little:

If you want to live off the government then you will vote for Obama.
If you are an atheist then you will vote for Obama.
If you believe that you do not have to take responsibility for your actions then you will vote for Obama.
If you think you should be able to abort children up to the point of delivery then you will vote for Obama.
If you feel that affirmative action is a partial step and affirmative outcome is where the country should be heading then you will vote for Obama.
If you believe in social justice then you will vote for Obama.

That Black Guy

December 21st, 2011
1:17 pm

scrappy

December 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
Because this is not true? His party IS anti a whole group of Americans, it is not the reports that it make it so.

To more accurate, perhaps they should have expanded the article to include all the other groups of Americans that the GOP is against too? That would have been quite a lengthy article…

Scrappy, why don’t YOU list the groups that the GOP is against?

All I'm Saying Is....

December 21st, 2011
1:18 pm

This is no different, Wingfield, than the thousands and maybe hundreds of thousands of folks who only vote for pro-life candidates irrespective of their position on any other issue but I’m sure that fact has escaped your attention.

td

December 21st, 2011
1:18 pm

scrappy

December 21st, 2011
1:08 pm

“Because this is not true? His party IS anti a whole group of Americans, it is not the reports that it make it so.

To more accurate, perhaps they should have expanded the article to include all the other groups of Americans that the GOP is against too? ”

At least you can say the list is shorter for the Dems. White and/or Christian.

Kyle Wingfield

December 21st, 2011
1:22 pm

All @ 1:18: No, the situations would be analogous if Obama told a pro-lifer that, if opposing abortion is his No. 1 issue, he should vote for the Republican…and folks proceeded to make a big deal of it, even though it surprised exactly no one.

Darwin

December 21st, 2011
1:23 pm

@td -”If you believe in social justice you will vote for Obama.” Besides all the garbage in your blog post, I guess this one tells it all about you. Your six pack is waiting.

Lynn

December 21st, 2011
1:25 pm

If you want to live off the government then you will vote for Obama.- Not Hardly – Welfare was started in World War II, and he has said several times to get out there and retrain reeducate etc. to no avail with this stubborn Repub. Congress
If you are an atheist then you will vote for Obama.- How is that possible if he is a Christian!

If you believe that you do not have to take responsibility for your actions then you will vote for Obama-
Then you will vote Republican ( Lies about WMD’s, losing lives- 4500 to be exact.

If you think you should be able to abort children up to the point of delivery then you will vote for Obama.- If your against abortion then you would adopt all the ones in the system! Also a Right decided by the US Supreme Court- Get over it!!

If you feel that affirmative action is a partial step and affirmative outcome is where the country should be heading then you will vote for Obama.- Doesnt apply

If you believe in social justice then you will vote for Obama.- Everyone should believe in Social Justice if not we will have the highest rape, torture and killing record in the world!

Mark

December 21st, 2011
1:29 pm

@ Darwin

December 21st, 2011
1:23 pm

@td -”If you believe in social justice you will vote for Obama.” Besides all the garbage in your blog post, I guess this one tells it all about you. Your six pack is waiting.

td is a lame excuse for a human being. Trust me he’ll never get it. He’ll just keep spewing his diluted political rhetoric and hatred like he always does.

The Anti-Wooten

December 21st, 2011
1:32 pm

What does td stand for? Troll Deluxe? Terminally Dimwitted? Tactlessly Delusional?

doc

December 21st, 2011
1:32 pm

If we are only 4%, how do our straight parents, relatives, friends, coworkers feel about the party of the past demonizing us? Trying to wipe us out of their site? Hoe many Jews.are there in the US and yet the slavish Isreal first policy of politicians right and left?

You must really have to be reaching deep into the liquor cabinet when you.have to write these.rubbish kyle

ramblin

December 21st, 2011
1:34 pm

the headlines are going to take this way out of context (for natural purposes of sensationalism), but if you watch the video, this isn’t newt gingrich saying “i dont want the gay vote” or “gays need to vote for obama”. he is very sensible, and puts it simply as it is. this wasn’t a confrontation of any sorts. there is a smile at the end, a handshake, and newt reiterating that the fellow’s support for obama on the grounds of gay rights being his #1 issue IS “perfectly legitimate”.

quick work break

December 21st, 2011
1:37 pm

Kyle: I have to give this one to you. I’m gay, lean left, and have no love for Newt. But I looked at the links about this from some of my friend’s facebook posts, and the comments are definitely taken out of context.

marauder

December 21st, 2011
1:37 pm

Circa 1964
Black Person “Will you support equal rights for my family and I”

George Wallace “If that’s your main issue vote for my opponent”

Sigh

dre

December 21st, 2011
1:39 pm

I have some serious man-love for Newt…in a strictly hetero way of course. Go Newt! 2012!

Bryan

December 21st, 2011
1:40 pm

@ Lynn- I’ll admit I haven’t checked the statistics, but 4500 doesn’t sound to me like an “exact” number.

Obozonomics

December 21st, 2011
1:40 pm

td, LOL too funny

dre

December 21st, 2011
1:41 pm

marauder: you’re comparing blacks to gays? Blacks don’t have a skin choice color. Gays have a choice, they’ve decided to place their weinerschnitzels where they don’t belong.

reebok

December 21st, 2011
1:42 pm

I think the whole ‘is it the most important issue, or just AN important issue’ is the wrong way to view the question. My gay friends say they will actively vote AGAINST anyone who says that he/she doesn’t support marriage equality. So it’s more of a disqualifier than a matter of where the issue ranks in importance.

this is not #1 for lots of people

December 21st, 2011
1:42 pm

but it does paint Gingrich as an intolerant man. someone who is not open-minded and who is selective about freedoms that Americans can enjoy. That threatens lots of folks actually – from Hispanics, Gays, Blacks, women, the elderly, and those who enjoy the freedoms of the internet.

so, indirectly, this is another step in Gingrich defining himself to the electorate.

the only GOP candidate who doesn’t appear to be advocating a social agenda is Ron Paul. This guy has some refreshing ideas about the role of government and what liberties are afforded to everyone in this great country.

Fed Up With Republicans

December 21st, 2011
1:42 pm

But it is okay for Newt to be on wife number and maybe even looking for number four; to hide his assets behind the back of number two and under the protection of wife number three who can’t be much better than Newt because she played along with the whole plan. To mistreat his sister becasuse she is gay. He is nothing more than slime and I sure wouldn’t want him as my President nor his arm candy as first lady – neither are role models. Obama has more integrity in his little finger than Newt has in his whole body.

Obozonomics

December 21st, 2011
1:42 pm

Lynn,
Put the bong down and dry out for at least a month, then think it through again…

gtfanfrom1951

December 21st, 2011
1:43 pm

Repent before its to late!!!!!

Alabama Communist

December 21st, 2011
1:47 pm

More Hot Breaking News On Newt And Gays Voting For Obama…..A unknown source at a Gay Bar in New Jersey said today” What makes you think that Newt is not Gay since he was here in 1995 claiming he was doing research on the Gay Gene at 2 AM?”

gtfanfrom1951

December 21st, 2011
1:47 pm

Fed Up With Republicans

Fed Up With Republicans
Obama has more integrity in his little finger than Newt has in his whole body.
OBAMA HAS NO INTERGRITY, NO BRAINS, NO GUTS HE IS THE WORST pRESIDENT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHECK MATE

2012

December 21st, 2011
1:48 pm

If the gays are that stupid that they will vote for Obama just because they are gay, then they deserve the problems this country and economy will deliver if we have another 4 years of Obama.
To put your sexual orientation over the wellbeing of your country? I mean who cares if your working, or have food in your home, or have a roof over your head or if their kids, (yes they adopt) have a good education or are properly taken care of. Put all that on the back burner. Nothing is more important then your sexual orientation so go vote for Obama. At least you can prade around the streets yelling your gay and nobody will say anything, NOT THAT THEY CARE NOW. Its your vote, vote for Obama and vote for the distruction of this grand country that will no longer exist. Move over, the muslems are taking over and sharia law is coming. WAKE THE HECK UP WILL YA.

marauder

December 21st, 2011
1:49 pm

dre 1:41

It’s purely an issue of equal rights for all citizens.
And it’s not a question of choice that’s been scientifically established. But , as in so many other of your political persuasion, personal bias trumps science.

Who cares?

December 21st, 2011
1:50 pm

The masses will START listening to you when you STOP defining yourself by one characteristic

Mark

December 21st, 2011
1:50 pm

@ gtfanfrom1951

December 21st, 2011
1:47 pm

Fed Up With Republicans

Fed Up With Republicans
Obama has more integrity in his little finger than Newt has in his whole body.
OBAMA HAS NO INTERGRITY, NO BRAINS, NO GUTS HE IS THE WORST pRESIDENT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHECK MATE

Nice try but you can dispute his integrity, his education and his guts all you want, but the WORST President in American History left office in January 2009 with a 22% approval rating.

2012

December 21st, 2011
1:51 pm

TO gtfanfrom1951 ….Yea I think Obama has paid back all his democrat donars by way of stimulus money. Considering the fact that 5 of the donors were green jobs which did not materialize and declared chapter 11, I think Obama has it taken care of.

Next step, kill the American middle class and the American dream while allowing the Muslem Brotherhood to take over our county.

ideasbm

December 21st, 2011
1:51 pm

Lynn–boy some of you people or so far out you should not be allowed to even vote….especially you. Welfare as we know it ended with the Clinton Administration, you should be glad…but you know who ushered it through the congress, and Bill Clinton will admit this, Newt. It was Newt who actually pushed it thru to balance the budget. So even though Mr. Bill takes credit, he will also truthfully tell you Newt did it. YES NEWT DID IT. So take that and let it go in one ear and out the other because some of you people on this board really don’t hear and do not want to hear. CLOSED MINDS JUST LIKE THOSE POOR PEOPLE IN NORTH KOREA.

td

December 21st, 2011
1:51 pm

Mark

December 21st, 2011
1:29 pm

Name calling because you can not deny the truth. Nice job.

Yes we can.

December 21st, 2011
1:52 pm

I am a gay man. I voted Republican in 2008 because I did not understand the true benefits of gay marriage. Now in 2011, I am happily partnered and understand the discrimination I face by not being allowed to marry him. The pet adoption agency wouldn’t even let us adopt our puppy together because we were not married. Let alone the complications that we faced buying our house. Perhaps the biggest burden to us now is my partner not being able to be on my health insurance with me at work. But I digress, now that I understand the importance of gay marriage, I will be voting Obama next year. Although I agree with Republicans on probably about 75% of all other issues, gay marriage is the most important thing for me and my partner. Finally, I know we are not alone in this thinking. We have many family and friends who have also said they will vote Democrat in the upcoming election soley because that is our best bet in working towards equality. My partner’s very conservative Grandma cried in an embrace because she was so sad that we couldn’t get married. That being said, it is my most important issue as this writer stated, but it has also become the most important issue to even more people around us. America is changing folks. I hope the Republican party changes too if it wants to stay a relevant player in the coming years and gain back the support it is losing every day.

Ed

December 21st, 2011
1:53 pm

gtfanfrom1951

Just because you scream it doesn’t make it so..

MrLiberty

December 21st, 2011
1:54 pm

Gingrich doesn’t believe in the sovereignty of the individual. He believes that government force should win out over individual liberty – plain and simple.

Ron Paul on the other hand is honest about his feelings. He has been married 55 years to the same woman and believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman. BUT, he also believes that government should have no role in marriage whatsoever at any level, but as president or as a congressman, he does not believe that their is any constitutional role for the federal government on the issue and would leave it to the states – but again, does not think that government at all should be involved in marriage.

What supporters and opponents of gay marriage fail to appreciate is that as soon as citizens ALLOWED the government to stick its nose into marriage (no, it was not always that way in this country), they set the stage for the fight we now face. On one hand marriage is a contractual obligation, and it is the government’s responsibility to honor and uphold all contracts that are freely entered into. They do not do that now and haven’t for a long time. Marriage is also a religious sacrament in many religions and traditionally has been handled by the church (of whatever kind).

If marriage were handled today by a religious group, there would be nothing to say about it from the point of view of government. A church might approve of gay marriage and another might not. A legally binding contract between two (or more) people of different or even same sexes should be upheld by govenrment – period.

Problem solved. No, gays might not be able to use the word “married” unless a church approves, but they could end up with the same contractual rights and freedoms as others regardless.

The problem, as always, is government. Adoption, hospital visitation, inheritance, etc. are all heavily regulated/controlled/deferred to by government. Get rid of government involvement and freedom will blossom. If only gays would realize that, stop supporting the democrats (who really don’t care about rights or freedom at all anymore), and get onboard with candidates like Ron Paul, who may not support “special” rights but who consistently support individual liberty, they would be far better off and we would all be more free.

gtfanfrom1951

December 21st, 2011
1:55 pm

2012- AMEN
WORST PRESIDENT IS STILL IN OFFICE …..ONLY GOD KOWS WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! NEXT TO HIM IS MR. PEANUT.

redneckbluedog

December 21st, 2011
1:58 pm

When your running behind…ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY..!!!!

dre

December 21st, 2011
1:58 pm

yup, mr peanut, neck and neck with obamination

redneckbluedog

December 21st, 2011
1:59 pm

gtfanfrom1951
December 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
———————————-
2012- AMEN
WORST PRESIDENT IS STILL IN OFFICE …..ONLY GOD KOWS WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! NEXT TO HIM IS MR. PEANUT.
——————————————
The FACTS really don’t reflect your statement………Herbert Hoover, Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, G W Bush…….

THIS HOLIDAY SEASON…..REMEMBER….COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY…!!!!!!!

redneckbluedog

December 21st, 2011
2:00 pm

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY….!!!!!!!

WE OWE IT TO THE TROOPS…..!!!!!!!!!

Ed

December 21st, 2011
2:01 pm

gtfanfrom1951

You may need to take a sedative. What would W had done coming into office in the worst Recession since the Great Depression. Oh… that’s right….. that’s obama’s fault too.

Hank

December 21st, 2011
2:01 pm

Marginalization of homosexuals for headlines.

First, being a homosexual man, I’m tired of being labeled. Like everyone, I’m just another member of our society. Second, I don’t have a particular political leaning and don’t base my vote on my sexuality. Newt still has my vote.

Mark

December 21st, 2011
2:03 pm

@ td..

NO NAME CALLING BECAUSE YOU ARE A JACKASS!

ask bin ladin

December 21st, 2011
2:04 pm

gtfanfrom1951

21 out of 27 terrorist dead so idiots like you can have a voice, troops are home from Irag has cleaned up the mess from the last President.

td

December 21st, 2011
2:04 pm

The Anti-Wooten

December 21st, 2011
1:32 pm
What does td stand for? Troll Deluxe? Terminally Dimwitted? Tactlessly Delusional?

Touch down!!!! because every time I post something to make you libs drool like Barney Frank when he gets angry it is just like the feeling I get when my DAWGS score a touch down!!!!!!!!