Cain still leads the GOP field in Iowa (Updated)
UPDATED at 2:25 p.m.: Until a few minutes ago, Herman Cain could keep up his lead because of the lack of details about his alleged actions. All that may have ended with the press conference a new accuser, Sharon Bialek just gave. Now there’s a name and face to a woman who’s been willing to make her accusation very publicly, and very specifically. I have a feeling Cain’s poll numbers are about to take a serious hit.
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ORIGINAL POST: So far, the reports of sexual harassment allegations against Herman Cain have not cost him his lead in Iowa, which will kick off the GOP nomination process with its caucuses on Jan. 3.
Keep in mind as we go through these polls that the first story about Cain and the harassment allegations was published on the evening of Oct. 30.
Insider Advantage found Cain held a 15-point lead over Mitt Romney (30 percent to 15 percent). The poll was taken Nov. 3, four days after the story broke, and it shows that Cain almost doubled his lead from mid-October. Holding steady in third was Newt Gingrich with 12 percent. No one else was in double-digits. Caitlin Huey-Burns at Real Clear Politics notes:
Cain leads among each age group by double digits except for voters 65 and older, who back Romney over Cain, 25 percent to 14 percent. Cain also leads among minority groups. He holds a 17-point edge over Gingrich among male voters (Romney comes in third) and a 12-point lead over Romney among females (Gingrich places third).
That lead among females may be the most surprising bit, in light of the allegations.
Another pollster, JMC Enterprises, surveyed Iowans a day earlier and found a much closer race: a tie between Cain and Romney at 20 percent apiece, with Gingrich nipping at their heels with 16 percent; everyone else was at least 10 points further back. As far as I can tell, JMC had not polled Iowa recently. The pollster’s executive summary did not include cross-tabs for support of each candidate by gender, although it did find a narrow plurality of women thought the charges against Cain were “trumped up.” (H/t: Jim Geraghty)
If the allegations, and Cain’s poor response to them, are going to hurt him, it would appear it’ll take more than what we’ve heard so far. In Iowa, at least.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Stonethrower
November 7th, 2011
11:21 am
Just like the Blues Brothers, Rick Perry says he’s on a “mission from God” to become the next president. Cain is a preacher so what is God gonna do, do a coin toss and decide who he is gonna back?
Call it like it is
November 7th, 2011
11:24 am
Don’t know who will end up going all the way, but would pay cash to see Newt and Obama in a debate. No access to the questions before hand, no telepromters, just those 2 with an independent table.
Ernest T. Bass
November 7th, 2011
11:24 am
Cain didn’t even know that China was already a nuclear power.
Sounds like a typical terribly uninformed Republican candidate who can fire up the terribly uninformed Republican party.
Ernest T. Bass
November 7th, 2011
11:25 am
Don’t know who will end up going all the way, but would pay cash to see Newt and Obama in a debate. No access to the questions before hand, no telepromters, just those 2 with an independent table.
As a proud Democrat I would pay to see that too.
Newt wouldn’t stand a chance.
arnold
November 7th, 2011
11:40 am
“although it did find a narrow plurality of women thought the charges against Cain were “trumped up.” People believe what they want to believe. I hope he is the standard bearer for the Republican Party.
Donna P.
November 7th, 2011
11:44 am
So which is worse? Having an alleged sexual harassment allegation against you or sitting in a church for 20 years where your preacher states “God damn America”? Or having an alleged sexual harassment allegation against you or being friends with a 1960’s radical who bombed federal buildings? Just wondering..
funny....
November 7th, 2011
11:45 am
didn’t michelle bachmann win something in iowa also? doesn’t bode well for cain it would appear….
roughrider
November 7th, 2011
11:46 am
Newt wants everyone to keep sending in donations so he and his new wife can continue to live the high life.
Tom(Independent)
November 7th, 2011
11:48 am
I read where Gloria Allred is coming forward with another woman(4th, I think) concerning sexual harrassment complaints toward Herman Cain. I always thought that women enjoyed flirting and having males pay attention to them, of course when they say NOT INTERESTED, that is the end of it, period!! If any of these allegations are true, when did Herman find any time to work? Just askin? Normally when Gloria Allred is involved it is normally about getting some money, no matter if it is the truth or not!
Tom(Independent)
November 7th, 2011
11:50 am
Would love to see Newt in a serious debate with Obama?
arnold
November 7th, 2011
11:50 am
“A fourth woman alleging that GOP presidential front-runner Herman Cain sexually harassed her will be detailing the experience during a press conference Monday afternoon in New York City, RadarOnline is reporting. The is represented by famed attorney Gloria Allred”…Yahoo News
allentown
November 7th, 2011
11:59 am
Newt in a serious debate?// haha
Newt is all about showing us how smart he is.
Anyone who equates the process of buying a burger from mcdonald to receiving health care is nuts!
jconservative
November 7th, 2011
12:00 pm
It appears that the Republican base is glued to Ideology. See Greece.
With much of the Democratic base glued to Ideology we are left with both parties looking for the purest of the pure.
What’s the old saying, “Be careful of what you ask for.”
In 1964 the Republicans nominated a Pure Conservative, Goldwater, and got trounced.
So in 1968 Republicans tried a more liberal Nixon and won 2 elections.
In 1980 the Republicans nominated a Pure Conservative, Reagan, and won the election.
Unfortunately, the day after his inauguration Reagan became a committed Big Government Liberal and remained that way throughout his administration. Voters voted for a Conservative and re-elected a liberal.
Same with Bush 43, claimed to be conservative but ended up governing as a liberal. But was re-elected.
Another old saying, “You can’t judge a book by looking at the cover.”
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
12:13 pm
jconservative…..I dont care what label Obama runs under…..he needs to go.
DC
November 7th, 2011
12:13 pm
Stupid Americans…don’t they realize that they are supposed to vote the way the Mainstream Media (haha) tells them to?
MARK
November 7th, 2011
12:14 pm
Obama…… And over the last 15 months we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states; I think one left to go.”
Just another uninformed socialist
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
12:29 pm
Ernest T. Bass – I’m not a fan of Newt per se, but Newt would wipe his @$$ with Obama in a debate. He would run circles around that fool with no teleprompters and no access to questions before hand. So be happy waving that democratic flag high and annointing the likes of a pelosi or reid or obama. They are all idiots and you sir fit right in with that crowd.
Terrence
November 7th, 2011
12:31 pm
When i see a candidate who doesn’t know how to play the political game, I’m impressed.
Jefferson
November 7th, 2011
12:37 pm
Newt is a liar with no personal integretiy, the perfect GOP guy huh?
DJ Sniper
November 7th, 2011
12:39 pm
First of all, wasn’t it already said that Obama was only 9 when Ayers did his dirty work? Also, if we’re going to talk about preachers, let’s talk about Rick Perry’s preacher who made those comments about Mormons. Lastly, can we please put the socialist tag to bed?
Welcome to the Occupation
November 7th, 2011
12:43 pm
And then there were four
A fourth woman will come forward later today and accuse Republican presidential frontrunner Herman Cain of sexual harassment, according to attorney Gloria Allred.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fourth-woman-accuses-herman-cain-sexual-harassment/story?id=14896935#.TrgYdvSP4Xw
The Goods
November 7th, 2011
12:43 pm
@Earnest T. You are crazy if you don’t realize that Obama would get shelled in a debate against Newt. That fool is so far in over his head that he can’t think straight. Herman Cain would school him too! 15 trillion in debt and 9.1% unemployment. Nuff said! Newt/Cain or Cain/Newt in 2012!
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
12:46 pm
Jefferson….are you referring to Obama or Clinton?
Welcome to the Occupation
November 7th, 2011
12:47 pm
Donna P.: “So which is worse? Having an alleged sexual harassment allegation against you or sitting in a church for 20 years where your preacher states “God damn America”? Or having an alleged sexual harassment allegation against you or being friends with a 1960’s radical who bombed federal buildings?”
Neither is worse.
Cain’s sexual harassment charges are probably overblown. In some ways he’s just engaging in behavior that was very accepted for members of his generation.
And Obama’s pastor was absolutely right in his “God damn America!” words. And the 60s radical may have been misguided in his tactics, but he was basically responding to real issues of justice.
BW
November 7th, 2011
12:49 pm
Oh please please allow him to win the nomination!!
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
12:50 pm
Welcome….wow you are clueless…..neither is worse?? How warped are you?
Jefferson
November 7th, 2011
12:53 pm
The GOP won’t support Cain and they know Romney is a moderate just waiting to break to the left as soon as he is the nominee. Either one is not a good choice.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
12:54 pm
Jefferson….sounds like the dems should vote for Romney then…..thanks.
Jefferson
November 7th, 2011
12:58 pm
They will in the primary.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 7th, 2011
12:58 pm
UGA 1999: “Welcome….wow you are clueless…..neither is worse?? How warped are you?”
On the contrary. I’m clued into the fact that the poster above was setting up a false alternative, between Obama and Herman Cain and Jeremiah Wright and so forth. Which is a sham.
In a sense both the sexual harassment charges against Cain and the trumped up charges about so-called “radical” elements infiltrating Obama’s inner circle (if only!) are a sham, meant to draw attention away from the policy implications of these politicians and keep it neutralized in distracting, irrelevant spectacles. Just more bread and circus for a nation whose ruling elite is bankrupt, completely out of ideas.
The Truth
November 7th, 2011
1:00 pm
Herman Cain: “Would you like to come up to my hotel room for some 9,9,9?”
Bart Abel
November 7th, 2011
1:00 pm
The irony here is amazing.
The same people who claim to be the “family values” crowd, who claim to be Tea Party populists, who complained about Obama’s “lack of experience” are now supporting a likely sexual harasser, former lobbyist/talk radio host, who never even sat on a school board or city council. The same people who complain that their taxes are too high are supporting a guy who, unless you’re making a few hundred thousand a year, promises to raise your taxes by hundreds, if not thousands of dollars with his 999 plan– http://news.yahoo.com/study-cain-tax-plan-raises-taxes-84-percent-205614885.html
I don’t blame people for supporting who they want to support because they believe in their proposals and ideology. But these are the same people who will tell you that you shouldn’t support President Clinton or President Obama or whomever for reasons that are entirely manufactured and have zero to do with their real reasons behind their disgust for Democratic and centrist Republican politicians.
I’ve also been watching Newt Gingrich slowly but steadily rise in the polls. As all Republican primary voters know, Gingrich is a serial-adulterer who has been married three times. Yet, somehow, when Gingrich stands at the podium and talks about “our Creator”, his audience shakes their collective head in praise while Gingrich is, to anybody who pays attention, most definitely taking the Lord’s name in vain with his unabashed hypocrisy.
Aquagirl
November 7th, 2011
1:03 pm
Newt/Cain or Cain/Newt in 2012!
Hope you handle disappointment well.
@@
November 7th, 2011
1:04 pm
Gloria Allred enters the fray!!??!!
Somebody cue Greta.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:06 pm
Welcome…..is that your way of debating facts? Calling them a “sham”? Tell me how the weather in fairytale land is today!
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:06 pm
Aquagirl….we have all handled disappointment fine over the past two and a half years!
Road Scholar
November 7th, 2011
1:07 pm
The Goods:”That fool is so far in over his head…”
That “fool” is still alot smarter than you!
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
1:14 pm
Bart Abel – Dude the same could be said for the left as well. You can pick apart any political candidate because they are in fact human and as you know all humans are imperfect. There are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle. There is plenty of irony to be had from the left. You can hate on Mister Cains 9-9-9 plan all you want, but at least it taxes everyone in this country and not just particular people. Why should I bust my arse day in and day out to help give someone else a free ride with my tax money? At least the 9-9-9 plan will help move that in the right direction. I do have some concern over the plan though. I would worry about the 9-9-9 plan turning into the 15-15-15 plan with the way congress is and how it seems the parties take turns in power almost every other election. But as far as the so called “Tea Party” followers and the hypocricy….get off your high horse! I could write a book on the hypocricy of the left and its “followers”
Filter
November 7th, 2011
1:16 pm
It’s sad to see the GOP not realize what this mess is doing to their own cause. This is same group that spent years and untold millions investigating Bill Clinton with nothing more to show for it than a tryst with an intern. But still they slogged forward and spent my money to impeach the man in a symbolic move bereft entirely of any real impact. A Pyrrhic victory won with my money.
And yet here we are, a few years later with not one, not two, not three, but FOUR women saying that Cain sexually harassed them and the same bunch wants everyone else to believe that:
1) This is much ado about nothing, that all four of these women are lying and that the NRA paid them to avoid legal fees involved in a fight.
2) This is all a creation of the big ole bad librul media
3) The reason this is all coming up is because the Democrats are so afraid of Cain that they have enlisted said big old bad librul media to smear Cain out of the race.
The reality is that this is a news story that is worthy of coverage, particularly by the standards set by the GOP during the Clinton years. It should be reported and the electorate should be allowed to decide whom they believe. If the evidence shows he did it, then let the chips fall. If the evidence shows he did not then nothing but good things would come from the situation as it would validate the claims in 1, 2 and 3.
Any other course of action exacerbates the already growing image of the hypocrisy of the right. (Yes, I know, the left is filled with hypocrites as well but that is all the more reason to take the high road here.)
Sister Sarah
November 7th, 2011
1:16 pm
Well @Call…last time I checked debates are done without teleprompters and no prior knowledge of questions. President Obama faired well in presidential debates against political heavyweights. In fact, I think he shocked most with his grasp on the issues. Are you suggesting Newt is that much smarter than the rest? Or are you just another who buys into his mythical “brilliant mind”??
yuzeyurbrane
November 7th, 2011
1:16 pm
It does not surprise me that Cain’s sexual harassment problems probably helps him with large segments of Republican primary voters, especially those who could not see sexual harassment if it struck them between the eyes.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:18 pm
yuzeyurbrane….please post the facts about the Cain harrassment case?
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:19 pm
Filter…
1) This is much ado about nothing, that all four of these women are lying and that the NRA paid them to avoid legal fees involved in a fight.
2) This is all a creation of the big ole bad librul media
3) The reason this is all coming up is because the Democrats are so afraid of Cain that they have enlisted said big old bad librul media to smear Cain out of the race.
You got it! Great job!
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Welcome to the Occupation
November 7th, 2011
1:23 pm
UGA 1999: “shallow minds talk about people, average minds about events, and great minds about ideas”
How does that saying go, something like “shallow minds talk about people, average minds about events, and great minds about ideas” ?
The real issues raised by Herman Cain’s candidacy have more to do with the fact that the man can’t be bothered to do even the most basic homework about the world, and even seems proud of his ignorance. He obviously doesn’t know the first thing about the world. At least Donald Trump had had actual dealings with China and had some basis in experience for his demagogic oversimplifications.
The other disturbing thing about the phenomenon Cain represents — also revealed in Trump’s brief rise and fall — is the turn of a corrupted political system towards would-be demagogues who are really more clowns bringing cheap entertainment than actual policy solutions.
This article here at New Republic is on the right track:
Where Cain differs from past populists, however, is in the broader sweep. His whole platform is gestural rather than systematic, unbothered by inconsistency. Whereas traditional populists at least propose a nexus between their policies and the problems of the world, Cain’s politics seem fundamentally dishonest. Indeed, his main claim is not that things will work better under his administration—he cannot even be bothered to explain how his 9-9-9 tax plan would work—but that they will be simpler.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/97115/herman-cain-populist-huey-long-joseph-mccarthy
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
November 7th, 2011
1:26 pm
I’ve traveled to all the 57 states…even discussed the issue concerning the “inhalator” and the kid in the hospital, and passed the $800 Billion Stimulus Bill in which I stated Unemployment will NOT go over 8%. What’s the problem, racists?
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:27 pm
Welcome……I dont think he is running or will be running based on his foreign policies. DId he ever say that?
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:27 pm
The Great…..NICE!
My name is Insanity, Obama 2012
November 7th, 2011
1:32 pm
Don’t forget, insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. Obama 2012!
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
1:32 pm
Welcome – I dont think the New Republic is the best source for an ubiased story. Just sayn. Also I have a question for you…..what exactly was Obama running on? What major experience did he possess? What did he do while he was in office? What makes him better than say a Herman Cain?
Mark T
November 7th, 2011
1:32 pm
Filter..
And yet here we are, a few years later with not one, not two, not three, but FOUR women saying that Cain sexually harassed them and the same bunch wants everyone else to believe that:
And i suppose you believe that Justin Bieber knocked up that girl too…
Go watch Jerry Springer child!
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
1:37 pm
The truth is Obama had very little experience if any. He ran on conjecture and a movement of “Change”. Well honestly nothing has changed. He talked about how Bush’s policies had sent our country down the wrong path and he was going to fix it up. He has had his time to prove he could do this and he hasn’t. So I guess I don’t really understand what makes obama so great to people. His policies do not work and he has proven that. I think before I would go bash the right and their candidates for lack of experience and etc., I would look at the face of your party for answers on why he duped you and millions of other americans.
Tealiban Party
November 7th, 2011
1:39 pm
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:27 pm
Welcome……I dont think he is running or will be running based on his foreign policies. DId he ever say that?
Good thing foreign policy isn’t a critical part of being president of the USA. (Roll eyes.) Give me a break!
pssssst
November 7th, 2011
1:39 pm
i’ve got the dirty little details. do you want to read about them?
hahahaha
#occupy my desk...
November 7th, 2011
1:39 pm
Quiet down you fat cat millionaires and billionaires! I’m trying to sink a putt here with the CEOs of GE, MF Global, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Citi… But remember when it comes to November ‘12, I’m the champion of the little man and stalwart defender of the middle class.
stands for decibels
November 7th, 2011
1:40 pm
President Obama faired well in presidential debates against political heavyweights.
and–how to put this nicely?–if my dream were to come true and the Goopers actually nominated a head case like Newt or a Koch-wh0re like Cain, Obama would shove a rhetorical shiv into either guy’s side and smile while he did it.
But that’s not gonna happen. Mittens will be the Gooper pick, and he’ll run a decent campaign on his way to losing the general election. (that’s the smart bet, anyway.)
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
1:41 pm
And what foreign policy experience did Obama have when he ran for president? Or did he rely on staff memebers and a vp with more experience? Kinda makes you wonder what your agenda is attacking UGA 1999 when he is just stating facts.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
November 7th, 2011
1:42 pm
“…Good thing foreign policy isn’t a critical part of being president of the USA. (Roll eyes.) Give me a break…”
Don’t worry Tealiban, lemme tell em about all that Foreign Policy experience…OH WAIT! I didn’t have any!
Hmmmm Let me Think
November 7th, 2011
1:43 pm
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
1:32 pm
Also I have a question for you…..what exactly was Obama running on? What major experience did he possess? What did he do while he was in office? What makes him better than say a Herman Cain?
Gee let’s compare experience prior to running for president…. US Senator vs. Burger King manager/Talk show host/head of Lobbyist group…..
Tealiban Party
November 7th, 2011
1:44 pm
If you want to discuss Obama’s foreign policy, go right ahead. It is an area where he completely destroys any of your GOP candidates.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
November 7th, 2011
1:45 pm
Now don’t ya’ll go talkin about who was Numero Uno in Wall Street donations!!! _ Don’t wanna hear any of that. I’m a man o’ the people.
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
1:48 pm
The biggest hypocrisy of all is all the leftist bloggers on here pointing out what they dont like about the GOP candidates and the lack of experience and integrity, but yet Obama was a perfect candidate in every way. Obama gained experience on the job and it hasnt worked. Plain and simple. At least some of these so-called terrible candidates for the right would be going in with far more experience than Obama and have a few fresh ideas on how to turn our economy around.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:48 pm
Tealiban….he has about as much foreign policy experience as Barack did upon taking office. If you are going to throw stones…….
Aquagirl
November 7th, 2011
1:51 pm
I dont think he is running or will be running based on his foreign policies.
Yeah, who cares about China or any of those places they talk funny?
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
1:53 pm
Hmmmm Let me Think
November 7th, 2011
1:43 pm
You can point out what you believe to be true as far as Mister Cains experience level. What you fail to mention is he also is also a succesful businessman. Knows how to run a successfull business. Has some new and fresh ideas. Has been a political commentator for years and years. Filled in for Neil Boortz on many occassions. So say what you want, but Obama was a senator for a little less than 2 years where he voted present i dont know how many times. He also was on the campaign trail for a year and a half trying to get elected while he held that office. That doesnt exactly qualify him. We as a country gave your guy a shot to “Change” things and they haven’t worked. Those are the facts. Its time for a new direction and new ideas.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
November 7th, 2011
1:55 pm
“Yeah, who cares about China or any of those places they talk funny?”
Yep, when I was running, I ddin’t know or care either. Still don’t–they scare me.
Bart Abel
November 7th, 2011
1:57 pm
RE: “You can hate on Mister Cains 9-9-9 plan all you want, but at least it taxes everyone in this country and not just particular people.”
————————————————————————
For the record, everybody who lives in this country pays taxes in this country–sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes, among others–including immigrants who are living here illegally (yes, illegal immigrants also file tax returns).
With regard to the fact that fewer people are paying, specifically, federal income taxes, that’s a result of the economic downturn in which more people are now either living in poverty or barely hanging on to their status among the lower middle class. It’s takes money out of the economy to tax families that spend 100 percent or more of their incomes as they try to get by from one paycheck to the next.
As Kyle as said many times, not all taxes are the same. I agree. To grow the economy, its more effective not to tax incomes that definitely will be spent and, to the extent that we must tax, where possible, limit taxation portions of incomes that are less likely to be spent…hence the progressive income tax.
Again, Herman Cain’s 999 tax proposal would not only raise taxes on the so-called 47 percent. He would raise taxes on nearly all of us. It’s worth remembering that for years, he has also been aggressively promoting the FairTax, a plan that would also raise taxes on most of the middle class while leaving most of the 47 percent alone.
Chuck Doberman
November 7th, 2011
1:57 pm
“Why should I bust my arse day in and day out to help give someone else a free ride with my tax money?”
Having volunteered at urban ministries and homeless shelters for years, I have to wonder if some of you people have ever met a poor person. The vast majority of those I meet
A. are not there because they choose to be
B. are trying to crawl out of the hole and improve their lives
and…
C. are enduring the criticism of ignorant masses who assume they are in their situation because they are lazy and don’t want to work… and most of them refrain from burying their fists in the faces of these ignorant judgemental aholes like I would do
Sorry guys, but those of us who actually participate in the world and seek to learn about which we speak don’t buy your collective condemnation
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
1:57 pm
Bart….dont avoid the topic. FEDERAL INCOME TAX…..
Chuck Doberman
November 7th, 2011
1:59 pm
I guess my point was I, like most people imo, wouldn’t trade my 70 hour a week stress-filled job for their “free ride”, and if roles were reversed I don’t believe they would either
Jack
November 7th, 2011
1:59 pm
Can’t understand what all the fuss is about. All the name-calling libs have to do is say they’re gonna vote for Obama. And then actually vote. Calling the GOP contenders names is not going to change anybody’s mind.
Mitzymy
November 7th, 2011
1:59 pm
Herman Cain is not, has not been, and never will be a politician. He is surprised that he is this far up in the polls. It proves how uninformed the american public is on the issues that face us. He is a motivational speaker by trade, and wants to make more money speaking. He will make that money once the real candidate emerges, and he will laugh at us all the way to the bank.
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
2:00 pm
Bart – I respectfully disagree with you. I would like to keep my income earnings that I worked for. Not others. There are plenty of people who get paid cash or under the table and dont have taxes taken out. That is what i am talking about. It’s not fair to the folks that have to actually have 25% of their money taken from them each pay check.
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
2:05 pm
Chuck Doberman – While I do understand where you are coming from and agree with you in many respects….I also have to say that is just my opinion. Unfortunately we live in a society where not everyone is willing to put the work in it takes to be successful. You could argue that some are in such a place where the opportunity to become successful is an uphill battle and I understand that. However, I have seen it far too many times where people take advantage of the system and abuse kindness. Unfortunately that affects the people you are referring to and that stinks. At the end of the day its no different if we all just had to live off the land. Every man has to do what they can to take care of themselves. They have to figure out a way to provide for them and their families. As a society we need to get out of this hand holding nature and give me attitude. True success is earned and not given.
Filter
November 7th, 2011
2:12 pm
UGA 1999 and Mark T.
You are completely missing my point and honestly I am not that surprised by that.
What I am saying is that the GOP desperately needs is to stop looking like a bunch of hypocrites and take the high road, stop blaming the media and let this play out to its natural conclusion. If he did it then you can decide whether it matters and so can everyone else. If he didn’t do it then it will confirm everything you are saying and give you the best evidence ever put forward that the mainstream media bias is real.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
2:13 pm
Filter….Take the high road. You mean like those on the left that are blasting Cain before all of the facts come out? Hmmmmm seems like there is another road you guys should be on!
Jefferson
November 7th, 2011
2:16 pm
Why the worry ?
Chuck Doberman
November 7th, 2011
2:19 pm
Ruthless
Acknowledged, there are those that do play the system. In my experience with the poor they are in the minority, and I’ve worked with them in Fla, Miss, La, Al and Ga. … not exactly “affluent” states. Do you acknowledge that many play the game… on many levels… and that PLENTY of wealthy folk and large businesses do so to their utmost.
NEITHER is morally acceptable, yet all I hear is judgement and condemnation of the poor. Now which do you think is truly happy with the life their practices put them in?
Cutty
November 7th, 2011
2:19 pm
Wonder how the GOP will change for Herman since he’s been trying to discuss his REAL 999 plan with some Buckhead Bettys for a few years now.
Bart Abel
November 7th, 2011
2:23 pm
Ruthless at 2:00,
Regarding your comment, “I would like to keep my income earnings that I worked for.” I know you would. That’s the irony of your support for Herman Cain. In all probability, he would raise YOUR taxes. Take a look a the study from the Tax Policy Center: http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2011/10/18/cain%E2%80%99s-9-9-9-plan-would-cut-taxes-for-the-rich-raise-taxes-for-almost-everyone-else/
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
2:24 pm
Bart….possibly but it would make the tax code balanced and make all Americans pay virtually the same tax rate. Sorry bottom 49% haha.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 7th, 2011
2:27 pm
UGA 1999: “Welcome……I dont think he is running or will be running based on his foreign policies. DId he ever say that?”
Well, let’s see, I think he was asked a question about some foreign policy issues in a television interview. You know, the kind of things that’s normally done with aspirants to the highest elected office of this nation.
I’ll let you chew on that one for awhile.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
2:30 pm
Welcome…..and his answers still surpassed those of an ignorant obama from two and a half years ago!
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
2:30 pm
Chuck – I understand your outrage for how you see the poor talked about or treated because you see it first hand and are passionate about it. I don’t think I’ve ever even known one person, regardless of political and social views, that would condemn the truly poor and unfortunate. Unfortunately as I stated, I think most of that condemnation comes from the bad apples in the group and then the poor are sort of lumped into that group because people don’t know who they can trust. I guess in a way a lot of this goes back to tax revenue and issues on how we handle that. My point was let me keep what I earn and spend it how I choose to spend it. Such as being able to keep my income tax. People on here can debate the 9-9-9 plan or the fair tax plan, but I personally like the idea better than our convoluted way of paying taxes now. People can debate it all day, but it is a much fairer way of paying taxes across the baord for everyone. Then for the truly poor and in need folk will still get the help from taxes raised on services and goods. I guess what I am saying is the people you fight so passionately for will still get the help they need and the people paying the taxes (in the current system) won’t feel so taken advantage of by the bad apples. These “bad apples” will have to pay for services and goods as well which will ultimately help those out in need. It’s about being fair in the end.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
2:33 pm
While all of this is happening Romney and Perry are just chillin!
Welcome to the Occupation
November 7th, 2011
2:39 pm
UGA 1999: ‘Welcome…..and his answers still surpassed those of an ignorant obama from two and a half years ago!”
Dream on, buddy. Cain obviously couldn’t identify half the world’s countries on a map. Which is not really fatal in itself. Bush 43 had the same problem, but he dealt with it by apparently burning some serious midnight hole boning up on what he was weak on, according to some accounts.
Like Bush, and like many otherwise well educated Americans, Herman Cain is a little weak in his knowledge of foreign affairs and geography, to say the least.
But the real problem: Herman Cain appears to be okay with that.
Nothing’s worse than an ignoramus who’s blissfully unaware of what an ignoramus he is.
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
2:40 pm
Bart Abel – First off I never stated that I support Herman Cain. I simply have expressed that he would be a far better choice to lead our country than our current president. In my opinion of course. I am however a proponent for the fair tax. It gets rid of the convoluted system we currently have and are taxed on what we buy. In the end you argue different view points and reports on what the fair tax plan or the 9-9-9 plan will do. I could just as easily come up with reports on the web that show how good it will be for everyone. I think the biggest concern isnt the initial plan itself. The concern for me as I stated earlier is putting some kind of a cap on the amount they try and tax us. Simply because….what good does it do to change the tax system if the government will simply find new ways to continually add more taxes and possibly make it worse than it is now? I agree with that sentiment. However, it is the fairest possibly way to tax people. It gets rid of all the IRS BS that no one likes to deal with in April. According to Mr. Cain the taxes generated from his plan would be revenue-neutral. So different studies will show different view points. I want what is fair for everyone. What I worry more about is when Mister Cains plan is in place (hypothetical of course) and the left take back over the law making. Historically liberals raise taxes. This would give them a platform to do so and that worries me the most.
Aquagirl
November 7th, 2011
2:41 pm
I have a feeling Cain’s poll numbers are about to take a serious hit.
Probably not among the Republican faithful, even if his “lyin’ BEEYOTCH!” rebuttal carries less weight in the real world.
Republicans can either accept that this guy is toast, or they can double down on Herman Cain, it’ll be interesting to see which way they go. After all, a substantial proportion of the GOP denies evolution and climate change, there’s no reason to think they’ll let reality intrude now.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
2:42 pm
Welcome….there we go again…Blame Bush! haha just a tired excuse….the fact is that Obama has done more harm to this country than any other previous president. The only one that comes close is Carter. Oh that is right, he was a Dem as well!
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
2:44 pm
Welcome to the Occupation – You seem to be stuck on this foreign policy issue. Obama didnt have a lick of foreign policy experience when he took office. Thats what staffers and other jobs are filled for. They can help guide the president in the direction that he needs to take when it comes to foreign diplomacy. McCain would have been perfect for president for you. I assume you voted for McCain/Palin in the last election since that is what matters most to you?
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
2:45 pm
Ruthless…amen…he fails to understand facts.
Ol' Herman
November 7th, 2011
2:50 pm
Well, I guess now you know one of those 9’s didn’t have anything to do with taxes, heh, heh. That dumb blonde bi— ratted me out!
Welcome to the Occupation
November 7th, 2011
2:51 pm
UGA 1999: “Welcome….there we go again…Blame Bush! haha just a tired excuse..”
Here’s a suggestion, UGA: go back and READ my post. Learn to READ carefully before you start dashing off your response. Look at what I say about Bush carefully and you’ll see that it is far from blaming Bush.
The Ruthless Way: “You seem to be stuck on this foreign policy issue. Obama didnt have a lick of foreign policy experience when he took office”
I haven’t said word one in my posts here today to imply that Barack Obama had the slightest bit of foreign policy experience. All that I have said is that Cain is an example of an ignoramus in foreign affairs — hardly an unusual thing among Americans, sadly — and that he appears to be perfectly okay with that. In this regard he differs markedly from prior presidential candidates who had to study up on things, including Bush but also probably including Obama too.
If people like Gore and Kerry and Bush I didn’t have to do quite as much burning the midnight oil, that’s because they had long careers in politics where they were exposed to foreign issues before ever running for president.
Bart Abel
November 7th, 2011
2:54 pm
UGA 1999,
You wrote, “[Cain's 999 proposal would] make all Americans pay virtually the same tax rate.” That’s not correct.
Under Cain, the rate on income arising out of pure luck, via an inheritance, would be 0 percent. (I don’t buy the double-taxation argument because, just as taxes were previous paid on the money that is passed on in a will, taxes were previously paid by our customers on money that ends up in our paychecks.)
In addition, income from profits on investments would go untaxed under Cain’s proposal. (Some are confused by the double taxation argument here, but only investment profits are currently taxed, not the original investment.)
Finally, under Cain’s proposal, since one of three taxes are sales taxes, the end result is that those who live paycheck to paycheck must pay a larger portion of their household incomes in taxes than those with the greatest ability to save. So, the poor would pay higher rates than the middle class, and the middle class would pay higher rates than the rich.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
November 7th, 2011
2:56 pm
“..Dream on, buddy. Cain obviously couldn’t identify half the world’s countries on a map…”
HEY! I’m the one that knows all 57 states!
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
2:57 pm
Welcome to the Occupation – Point taken about Mister Cains lack of foreign policy experience. I agree with you. Just as I think Obama had zero as well. Mister Cain hasnt been in a position to really gain that experience though. His expereince is in running successful businesses and being a political pundit. He can bring other attributes to the office besides foreign policy though. Just like many americans beleived Obama would do. All I am saying is it isn’t fair to write off Mister Cain just because you don’t like his lack of foreign policy experience. He has a lot more to say. The current president isn’t any better in that area and he runs our country. Different candidates are going to have different qualities. If you’re waiting for the perfect one then you’ll be waiting a long long time. It’s no different than in baseball. Some are power hitters and some hit for average. Point being they bring something to the table to help their team. Its about putting the proper pieces around them to make them successful. So far Obama has failed to do just that. His policies are not working. He has not delivered on what he has promised. It’s really that simple. It’s time to give someone else a shot.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
2:57 pm
Bart…..Here comes the wealth envy again…”the rate on income arising out of pure luck, via an inheritance, would be 0 percent.”
NOT TRUE….wasnt that money taxed when it was earned in the first place? Why are you guys so for giving your hard earned money to the government??? Fools!
Del
November 7th, 2011
2:58 pm
Gloria Allred says that the woman accuser could sell her story for a ton of money. What story? She can’t offer any proof.Why didn’t she file a complaint at the time? Why after all of these years is she coming forward now? Why do the other accusers insist on remaining anonymous? I think this story dies unless one of the other accusers who have documented complaints come forward and appear to be creditable.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
November 7th, 2011
3:01 pm
“…After all, a substantial proportion of the GOP denies evolution…”
That is true..and then they see Democratic voters, and DO believe we came from apes.
Bart Abel
November 7th, 2011
3:02 pm
UGA 1999,
I answered your first question about double taxation in my post. It would be nice if you’d bother to read it.
Also, I’m not sure how it’s “wealth envy” to say that income from inheritances (luck) should be taxed at the same rates as income from going to work every day, but if you say so.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
3:04 pm
Bart….the money WAS taxed!!! How many times should a dollar be taxed before you get yours?
The Ruthless Way
November 7th, 2011
3:04 pm
Bart Abel – Well actually what you say about what the poor pay is a little inaccurate. They pay exactly the same sales tax as everyone else regardless of income. Now I know that percentage wise that means they poor more from their personal income and I get that. However, I’ve heard Mister Cain talk on this quite a bit and he claims that there are plans in place for the people that make less than a certain percentage. Meaning that they will get some kind of a break. I dont know if that comes in some form of a rebate or what, but I have heard him say that.
Common Sense
November 7th, 2011
3:07 pm
Under Cain, the rate on income arising out of pure luck, via an inheritance, would be 0 percent.
If you really believe that it was pure luck then your it is certain that your parents were in a position to leave you none of the assets that they had earned.
But it was lifestyle choices, not pure luck.
Filter
November 7th, 2011
3:08 pm
UGA,
It is just as hypocritical and disingenuous to claim these charges are valid as it is to dismiss like you would have us do. That’s why, and if you look at all my posts on this you’ll see I am consistent about this, I believe that this is a story that should be reported upon and looked into before either a condemnation or exoneration should be claimed by anyone.
Oh, and I love how you lump me in on the left due to my disagreement with you. You’re omniscient apparently.
UGA 1999
November 7th, 2011
3:10 pm
Filter….omnisceient…..Nope….
Realist….yes.
Filter
November 7th, 2011
3:13 pm
Realist, huh?
That’s the biggest laugh of the day.
Bart Abel
November 7th, 2011
3:15 pm
UGA,
Your handle is a discredit to my Alma Mater. I’ll re-post what I said about your double-taxation argument with the hope that you will read it this time.
“…just as taxes were previous paid on the money that is passed on in a will, taxes were previously paid by our customers on money that ends up in our paychecks.”
In short, all income is double taxed and triple taxed and quadruple taxed as it moves through the economy. This phenomena isn’t exclusive to inheritance income. Why some believe that inherited money should receive special treatment while money from work should be taxed at higher rates continues to be a mystery to me.
Sister Sarah
November 7th, 2011
3:57 pm
You can get so sick of people who continually distort the facts. Tell the truth about the 2 year U.S. Senator who spent his tenure running for office and you will find a skilled politician who served MULTIPLE terms at the state level. Of course the liars will have you believe went from “communit organizing” straight into the White House! Laughable! Additionally, I don’t necessarily have had to actually BUILD a wide area computer network, but if I have been to Cisco school, I can competently answer simple and even advanced questions from my schooling/certification process. (See Obama lacked foreign policy experience hollow argument). On the other hand…Uncle Huhmin sees no value whatsoever in even knowing the leader of “Uzi beki becki becki stan stan”, and BASKS in the ignorance! Reality and comprehension check puhleease!!!!
ragnar danneskjold
November 7th, 2011
4:14 pm
Dear Kyle, I perceive you think Herman is popular with prospective voters because they believe he never sexually harassed anyone. If that is the case, we are about to revoke your conservative credentials.
Herman and Newt are the only ones consistently against the mercantilism of the democrats (green energy, housing subsidies, automobile and wall street bailouts.) Herman and Newt are the only ones with sufficient foresight to see the disaster arising from government control of healthcare. And only Herman – not Newt – understand the real genius of Paul Ryan’s long-term budget plan. Conservatives see all of that, but pundits are easily distracted by the allegation of the week, the “squirrel syndrome.” Focus, man.
ragnar danneskjold
November 7th, 2011
4:19 pm
Dear Kyle, by your standards, Clarence Thomas should not be on the Supreme Court. By your standard, Robert Bork was not qualified for the Supreme Court. What, exactly, is your standard? If any leftist throws any allegation, no matter how specious, we revoke our support of the target of the smear?
ragnar danneskjold
November 7th, 2011
4:26 pm
Taranto got it right: “If the latest accusation against Herman Cain is true, he “is not guilty of sexual harassment. He is accused of having made a gross, dumb and reckless pass at a supporter during a low point in her life. . . . In other words, [Cain] took ‘no’ for an answer.”
“That quote is from Gloria Steinem, the big-time feminist, though of course the man she was defending wasn’t Herman Cain. It was Bill Clinton, after Kathleen Willey accused him of groping her in the Oval Office. “
Bart Abel
November 7th, 2011
4:43 pm
Ragnar,
A “reckless pass” is telling a non-subordinate woman that she has nice legs, as if it’s 1964, not reaching under her skirt for her crotch while pulling her head toward his crotch…purportedly in exchange for help finding a job.
You should know better than that.
JF McNamara
November 7th, 2011
4:53 pm
“You do want a job, don’t you?”
dan hollywood
November 7th, 2011
5:04 pm
I don’t know what to think. Now there are four who have come out. Will there be more women who say they were mistreated? I wonder how the voters in S. Carolina will react in their Primary???
Jefferson
November 7th, 2011
5:19 pm
So what are Cain’s chances, I say ZERO.
MarkV
November 7th, 2011
5:26 pm
I would not mind at all if Cain won the Republican nomination. It would make Obama’s reelection easy.
Kyle Wingfield
November 7th, 2011
5:35 pm
ragnar: I am predicting that many of the people who were giving Cain the benefit of the doubt will be taken aback by what they heard today. Will he recover? That’s another question. Cain will have to speak about this specific allegation — sorry, but a quick “not true” isn’t going to cut it here — and perhaps he will find a way to alleviate newly raised concerns. But I don’t perceive that Cain’s support was solid enough for him to take specific allegations from a woman with a face and a name without skipping a beat. Will I be proved wrong? We’ll see.
@@
November 7th, 2011
6:04 pm
Cain’s latest accuser comes forth on the elbow of Gloria Allred. Why?
She says it’s to protect other women. So what…the women he’s come in contact with since 1997 didn’t need her protection?
Gimme a break!
I Cain't Believe Cain
November 7th, 2011
6:05 pm
That lead among females may be the most surprising bit, in light of the allegations.
Shame on all of them. Are these females saying it is OK what Herman Cain is being accused of? What if it had been one of them? What if it had been their mother, sister, daughter, or friend; would it still be OK?
These females are HYPOCRITES. The GOP is filled with people who throw rocks and hand their hands.
Shame on all of you! Herman Cain is a predator. How many women do you need to confirm that he is a sexual predator?
Tommy Maddox
November 7th, 2011
6:07 pm
Well Sarah, while they don’t conduct too much foreign policy items in the Illinois State House, they do allow you to vote “Present” on a regular basis.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2011
6:23 pm
Anybody that is swayed by one of Gloria Allred’s stunts is too dumb to vote anyway, but I suspect Sharon Bialek will have a book deal by the end of the month. If she’s lucky she’ll even be a able to keep a few % of the advance form going straight to Gloria.
I Cain't Believe Cain
November 7th, 2011
6:26 pm
Kyle you say – If the allegations, and Cain’s poor response to them, are going to hurt him, it would appear it’ll take more than what we’ve heard so far.
What is it going to take? Is it going to take one of his supporters’ daughter, sister, mother, wife to be sexually harassed by Herman Cain? Or is it because it is someone else’s daughter, sister, mother, or wife?
Shame on all of you hypocrites! And the GOP is the party of christian values?
I DON’T THINK SO.
jconservative
November 7th, 2011
6:35 pm
UGA 1999 November 7th, 2011 12:13 pm
“jconservative…..I dont care what label Obama runs under…..he needs to go.”
I agree, Obama needs to go. But he will not go with Cain as the nominee.
Remember the independents decide all presidential elections.
Do you really believe that the independents who voted for a liberal Onama, re-elected a liberal George W Bush, who split on Bush/Gore and who re-elected Clinton, will actually vote for Cain?
Please!
MarkV
November 7th, 2011
6:41 pm
RW-(the original) @ 6:23 pm: “Anybody that is swayed by one of Gloria Allred’s stunts is too dumb to vote anyway, but I suspect Sharon Bialek will have a book deal by the end of the month. If she’s lucky she’ll even be a able to keep a few % of the advance form going straight to Gloria.”
And these are the people who attack people accusing Cain for lack of evidence.
Michael H. Smith
November 7th, 2011
6:45 pm
I am predicting that many of the people who were giving Cain the benefit of the doubt will be taken aback by what they heard today. Will he recover?
First part you are correct. Second part, Cain, sadly won’t recover in my opinion. His only hope was based on total complete honesty, Kyle. With a person now coming forth publically, in name and face, including details, the honesty element to this point that Mr. Cain has enjoyed is seriously challenged to the extent that the “ONUS” is now on him.
@@
November 7th, 2011
6:52 pm
Harwood said he did not know about the Cain allegation until Friday night, when Bialek told him she was going to go to New York. He said she didn’t come forward at the time of the alleged incident in 1997 because she wasn’t a Cain employee.
Harwood is her “…you know I have a boyfriend.”
Anyhoo….why not pursue sexual assault charges.
And why bother reading from a written transcript?
This one’s lookin’ like a real bimbo.
MarkV
November 7th, 2011
6:54 pm
@@ @6:52 pm: “This one’s lookin’ like a real bimbo.”
The usual tactic: Attack the victim.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 7th, 2011
7:00 pm
I asked Bruno Clinton for a job back when she was in ArKKKansas and she raped me.
Really.
And you think what Herman did was bad, imagine my suffering! I still feel icky. ew
I just forgot to tell anybody (-:
Would any of you like to be my lawyer?
josef
November 7th, 2011
7:01 pm
@@
Was just checking in to see if the latest exile from the Imam Torquemada’s had arrived here yet and saw that you’re in the house…
Miss you! (Him, not so much…)
Anyway, back to the fun…take care…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 7th, 2011
7:06 pm
And I saw obozo with a farm animal too.
@@
November 7th, 2011
7:07 pm
MarkV:
This from The Daily Beast:
The sight of Cain’s latest accuser, whose flowing blonde hair dipped over one eye, not only personalizes what had been an abstract scandal but gives it an interracial aspect and places it firmly in an employment context.
Not sure what the interracial aspect has to do with it.
First she says he arranged for her to have a suite, then says he accosted her in the car…on a busy road?
Puhleeze.
BIMBO!
Sister Sarah
November 7th, 2011
7:14 pm
@Tommy dear Tommy. You have to learn to get away from the talking points; they make you look juvenile. Now, the fact was well established long ago that politicians use the ‘present’ vote for various reasons and some quite often. Let me clarify for you. A State level Representative even must have knowledge of the ISSUES and the ability to connect with a constituency to win ELECTION multiple times. What is it about that don’t you understand??? I know I know…it is just DIFFICULT for you to acknowledge the obvious, and that Obama is arguably one of the most savvy politicians this country has seen in probably the past 50 years. Whether you choose to admit it or not is your problem.
joe
November 7th, 2011
7:34 pm
I’d have tried to crank her too. Cain gets my vote for having exquisite tastes in babes. @@ is a dried up old hag who needs to stfu. Ditto rag and rw and that other idiot.
Cain 2012: A grassroots campaign to reach for the stars.
@@
November 7th, 2011
7:36 pm
josef:
Miss you! (Him, not so much…)
Can’t say the same about you and yours.
When it comes to free speech, I expect more than lip service. Can’t be selective with it either. You were quick to attack me but never a word about Bosch’s incessant “LIAR” accusations.
And just so you know…I’m able to post at jay’s. I CHOOSE not to.
MarkV
November 7th, 2011
7:52 pm
@@ @7:07 pm: “First she says he arranged for her to have a suite, then says he accosted her in the car…on a busy road? Puhleeze. BIMBO!”
You have shown not only a remarkable lack of common sense, but mainly a deplorable tendency to blame the victim, whom you know nothing about. In other word, your comments are disgusting.
I Cain't Believe Cain
November 7th, 2011
8:00 pm
To all of you GOP christian hypocrites who support Herman Cain the bible says:
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.”
“Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 7th, 2011
8:06 pm
ICBC- You may want to check out what the Good Book says about false witnesses, you hideous freak.
@@
November 7th, 2011
8:07 pm
MarkV:
In other word, your comments are disgusting.
Crystal Magnum (Duke Lacrosse accuser) could probably use your support. You’ll find her in a North Carolina prison. Go visit.
I Cain't Believe Cain
November 7th, 2011
8:10 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
November 7th, 2011
8:06 pm
You made my point! HYPOCRITE!
MarkV
November 7th, 2011
8:11 pm
@@ @8:07 pm
You do not have to keep proving my point.
RW-(the original)
November 7th, 2011
8:12 pm
It’s nice to know that no matter how long one stays away Polly is right there to welcome you back.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 7th, 2011
8:33 pm
The bEagles beat a couple of dogs after losing four in a row and now all the media harpies think they are gonna win the Super Bowl.
heh
Gman
November 7th, 2011
8:40 pm
Herman “Silas” Cain wants to know, “Where all the white women at!”
@@
November 7th, 2011
9:06 pm
MarkV:
An intelligent woman would never allow Allred to represent her. Allred’s a pimp!
Bialek, a Chicagoan, had raised money for the restaurant association before being terminated in 1997, Allred said. When she lost her job, Bialek reached out to Cain for help.
“Mr. Cain instead decided to try to provide her with his idea of a stimulus package,” Allred said.
She (Allred) trivialized her client’s “tail” with that comment.
schnirt
stephen
November 7th, 2011
10:51 pm
10:52 pm Herman is self-herminated. see ya.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 7th, 2011
11:50 pm
Da Bears.
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