Obama’s small-change 2012 campaign tour
Barack Obama was back on the road this week. The tour bus was gone, but otherwise there was barely a hint he was doing anything other than taking another taxpayer-funded campaign swing through the states that will be key to the 2012 election.
You can tell it by his choice of destinations. Since Sept. 1, Obama has visited five of the six states where his 2008 margin of victory was narrowest: North Carolina (twice), Florida, Ohio (twice), Virginia (twice) and Colorado (twice). Add to that list Missouri, the site of his closest loss to John McCain, and potential battleground states Nevada, Michigan (twice), New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
But mostly you can tell it by his messaging. On this week’s trip out west, Obama broke out his latest three-word slogan: “We can’t wait” — for members of Congress to take the initiative. But, as Politifact recently reported, members of Congress have introduced dozens of bills related to jobs and the economy this year. It’s more like “He can’t wait” — for his re-election prospects to brighten.
(In neither case, one assumes, does the White House consider “Yes, we can!” an appropriate response.)
Politics aside, the substance of the “We can’t wait” campaign is what’s disturbing. And that’s not only because the president is seeking to bypass the legislative process via executive orders to change existing policies originally approved by Congress. It’s also because Obama’s two latest programs repeat the mistake of spending billions to tweak the economy around the edges.
In Nevada, home of the nation’s highest foreclosure rate, Obama announced changes to a program to help homeowners who owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth. Obama wants to allow these homeowners to refinance their mortgages at today’s low rates, regardless of the value of their homes. The idea is that they will have lower monthly payments, and they will direct the savings elsewhere in the economy.
It’s stimulus by another name, with the same problems. First, it assumes all of the monthly difference will be spent, not saved. History suggests that won’t happen.
Second, one man’s liability is another man’s asset: the lender’s. So, the plan assumes the money added to the economy by homeowners won’t simply be subtracted from the economy by lenders.
At least, it would make that second assumption if private lenders were involved. The chief lender here is the taxpayer, via Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: A loan must be held or backed by them to qualify. Any banks that hold affected mortgage notes may be inclined to reduce their lending. Otherwise, it’s added to Uncle Sam’s tab.
But fear not: The program is limited to homeowners who are current on their payments. While this requirement reduces taxpayers’ exposure, it also restricts the number of people who could apply — to as few as 800,000, for a total difference of $2.4 billion per year, according to an estimate by financial expert Peter J. Wallison.
So, it’s another couple of billion bucks piled onto the debt, without adding much bang to the economy.
The other change sought by Obama concerns student loans. The total school-related debt for U.S. college students and graduates is about to eclipse $1 trillion, or more than Americans owe on our credit cards. In Colorado Wednesday, Obama said he would reduce the minimum payments borrowers must make on their federal student loans, to 10 percent of annual earnings from 15 percent.
Again, this may make a difference for some people struggling to make ends meet. But it will cost them more, for longer, without significantly boosting the economy. And it won’t address the real reason student debt has grown so large: skyrocketing tuition and fees.
I have to hand it to Obama, however. Homeowners who have kept up their mortgage payments strike me as the kind of people likely to vote. And Obama’s re-election chances depend in no small part on keeping young people on his side.
But what would really help them, and the rest of us, is an economy that’s growing and producing more jobs and higher incomes. Obama’s latest electioneering won’t stimulate that.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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marko
October 27th, 2011
6:11 am
the staggering student debt cuts to heart of what’s gone wrong. These hard working kids have prepared themselves for jobs that don’t exist, and now they owe their souls to the very financial institutions that created the current crisis. These aren’t bad kids. They should be starting exciting new careers, and not moving back home with mom and dad. If they had the jobs they’d prepared for they’d be paying taxes. And the deficits would slowly vanish. It all comes down to jobs.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
6:15 am
The President has attempted to assist those who are most in need…and the GOP has virtually ignored ALL of the American people save their rich contemporaries!!
What’s the GOP’s idea?? Nothing!!
At least…he’s trying!!
Viet Vet
October 27th, 2011
6:24 am
This mess was largely created by the GOP’s twelve years control of Congress and Dubya’s two terms. Since the Democrats and Obama took over they’ve resisted every effort to help clean up their mess. I was born and raised Republican, have voted as an independent all my life, and I’m no fan of Obama, but it will be a cold day in hell when I vote for another Republican.
Gordon
October 27th, 2011
6:38 am
“If they had the jobs they’d prepared for they’d be paying taxes. And the deficits would slowly vanish. It all comes down to jobs.”
Complete and utter nonsense. While it would be great if unemployment was lower, the primary cause of the deficit and debt is entitlements. Just look at the federal budget. The super committee is working to cut $1.2T in 10 years, which is $120B per year. That is less than a tenth of the current deficit, and less than a hundredth of the debt.
JF McNamara
October 27th, 2011
6:39 am
How can you be against the home loan program expansion?
These are the people that Republicans should want to help. These are people who have lost a lot a lot of value in their home, but have acted responsibly by never missing or being late on a payment. Even through the bad economy, these people showed that they were prepared for disaster and held to their responsibility even though they knew they were way upside down on their house.
With home prices down 40%, even people who put a lot down are under water and can’t refinance to the extremely low rates because they have to bring cash to the table. This is finally a break for responsible people in the middle class, and you are against it. What should we do? Another worthless tax break?
.Skip.
October 27th, 2011
6:43 am
Odds are Kyle rents.
Road Scholar
October 27th, 2011
6:45 am
Kyle, I guess President Bush never ever did what President Obama is doing? Rolling out his agenda in front of the public!
So if you where god (because sometimes I think you think you are) or head of the republican party, what would YOU do to stimulate the economy ? And just how would you educate the people about the benefits and costs? Write an editorial?
Road Scholar
October 27th, 2011
6:47 am
Gordon: Have you forgotten or are you just ignoring the $2B war debt that was not on Pres Bush’s budget and has no revenue stream to pay for it?
Streetracer
October 27th, 2011
6:55 am
JF McNamara:
Way I read it, I don’t think that Kyle is particularly against the mortgage program. Was just pointing out that it really wouldn’t do much. A lot of noise for little effect.
jconservative
October 27th, 2011
7:02 am
“…latest three-word slogan: “We can’t wait” — for members of Congress to take the initiative.”…
“…members of Congress have introduced dozens of bills related to jobs and the economy this year.”
Interesting observation. Bills introduced.
What is the number of bills related to jobs and the economy actually passed by Congress and sent to the President for signature?
JF McNamara
October 27th, 2011
7:06 am
Streetracer,
I don’t think he really supports it given that he called it a stimulus by another name.
Secondly, he completely misses the point that even by the people saving the money, it still helps the economy. It increases the banks reserves and therefore their ability to lend. Its actually better if they save the money, because then it likely gets reallocated to high potential investment in their community, Right?
Dan
October 27th, 2011
7:07 am
JF it is activity like the loan program that caused the economic mess, ie bad loans. Aside from the fact that even if it works as O promises, it will be immaterial. It shows a remarkable lack of understanding of economics, or simply ignoring that fact for political expediency
jdawg
October 27th, 2011
7:09 am
VV,
The Democrats had control of the congress for 4 years, they’ve had control of the senate for 3 years, and Obama has been President 3. The first 2 years they controlled every voting branch. What is THEIR responsibility in the matter. You are and were, no more republican at any point in your life than Obama and you know it.
Ayn Rant
October 27th, 2011
7:11 am
Right, Kyle, it’s just a political ploy for Obama to find ways to work around a dysfunctional Congress, to help a few people recover from the damage wrought by 8 years of Republican economic mismanagement followed by 3 years of Republican obstinacy.
What’s really needed is an economy stimulated by job growth. Do you have any ideas for creating jobs in a stagnant economy, Kyle?
What we hear from Republican politicians is their same old blarney of the past 40 years: more tax breaks for Big Business and the super-rich, as though accumulating more unneeded capital will encourage investment in unprofitable enterprises to produce goods and services that consumers cannot afford. That’s “supply-side” economics to Republicans; it’s utter nonsense to anyone else.
DeborahinAthens
October 27th, 2011
7:11 am
I remember all the campaigning Dubya the Dumb did. Not to mention the greatest political play of all time…Medicare Part D. This largest entitlement program of all time ever passed was done to win votes from the elderly and to pay back all the Big Pharma money they “invested” in him. It was done with a republican Congress and a Republican president. Bush lied about the real cost. The HARP program will not only keep people from perhaps losing their home, but will put the extra savings back into the economy. Lowering what students have to pay each month will put money back into the economy because they will spend it. What do you see is wrong with this?
Jack
October 27th, 2011
7:18 am
Raising taxes on the most productive of our citizens is not going to produce jobs. Jobs will come when the demand is higher than the supply and that ain’t gonna happen while Obama is president.
George P. Burdell
October 27th, 2011
7:26 am
The problem Deborah is that all these whiners act like this is the first time this has ever happened and they have no personal responsibility, its always some other evil force out there. I worked to put myself through college, had about 10k in student loans and it took over a year to find a full-time job that paid what you would expect. I toughed it out, made personal sacrifices, paid all of my loans back, and am better for it. So many of these student loans are for much more in majors that never had any chance to earn enough to pay it back, even in great economic times. An art history major with 70k in debt has little to no chance of ever making enough to live and pay the loans back. If we keep handing out money left and right, the lessons won’t be learned and they will be right back at the trough.
JDW
October 27th, 2011
7:31 am
@Kyle…”members of Congress have introduced dozens of bills related to jobs and the economy this year.”
The big flaw in this line of reasoning is the introduced part…how many have been passed?
Get on with it
October 27th, 2011
7:52 am
Bush and the republicans told the Democrats years ago that this was going to happen and they stopped them from doing anything. Reid had a temper tantram that stated that Fannie and Freddy were doing great. I guess the Republicans knew but could do nothing. Why, because it was a DEMOCRAT CONTROLED HOUSE AND SENATE. Has been for years. Do not blame this created ecomony on Bush. This is definately the Democrats mess. And they like it. Every time I hear another stimulus I wonder whos democrat friend needs money now.
I want to know why when Americans are hurting so much, your President Obama gives a FINDLAND company 1.9 billion of our tax payer money to create jobs in FINDLAND? Why are we supporting foreign countries? I want to know about the 545 million of tax payer money Obama gave to Nancy Pelosi’s brother in laws company in California and I am still wanting to know more about Solindra. Kinda looks like if your a democrat supporter and you need money its yours, but you democrat people, especially the Black community are hurting and Obama is turning his back on you too. 50% unemployment on black teens? Why do you support people who hate America and are trying to take this country down. You had better open you eyes because when they finish their take over and death of this country, they will not give you a red cent. They like the divide and conquer. It makes them feel big but it is killing this country. Another 4 years of obama and his corrupt handlers? This country will not survive.
Jefferson
October 27th, 2011
7:56 am
Another day, another jab at the President.
Kyle, I’m beginning to believe that you really don’t like him.
Oh yea right
October 27th, 2011
7:58 am
your comment……The Democrats had control of the congress for 4 years, they’ve had control of the senate for 3 years, and Obama has been President 3.
No, the Dumocrats had control of the HOUSE AND SENATE for the last 8 years and then with a Democrat President who can spend not a penny without the concent of the HOUSE AND SENATE. They gave this President every thing he asked for but faught Bush the entire time he was in office. Some of you really need to know facts before you start spouting your lies. THE DEMOCRATES ARE 8 YEARS PLUS and still have control of the SENATE and are hiding all the Republican bills that might help get us out of this.
For GOD sakes, You really need to get the facts and its not hard, Go look them up.
ouidablack
October 27th, 2011
8:04 am
We don’t need another “on-the-job” training president
MountainMan
October 27th, 2011
8:04 am
Jefferson,
It’s called balance. With Bookman and his daily worship of Obama and tearing down of every rupublican candidate, somebody has to give another viewpoint.
@@
October 27th, 2011
8:17 am
I watched Paul Ryan on Greta last night.
…members of Congress have introduced dozens of bills related to jobs and the economy this year. It’s more like “He can’t wait” — for his re-election prospects to brighten.
Ryan is usually an optimistic guy, but not last night. He couldn’t hide his frustration with Obama. The bills include measures that everyone COULD agree with. Harry won’t move them thru the senate. Within the bills are measures that Ryan AND Obama agreed would/could work, and yet…
So Greta asks “Why doesn’t the president call Harry to ask him to bring the bills forward?” Ryan’s response (clearly frustrated)? “Good question.”
It’s unconscionable!!! Obama is seeking personal gain, at the expense of American’s gains. He thinks people don’t see it? American voters are watching. If we’ve learned nothing over the years, we’ve come to know what political games look like.
The petulant Obama has got to go. And Harry? Throw his soured puzz into Yucca Mountain. Then, and only then, will the cost be justified.
Streetracer
October 27th, 2011
8:20 am
Regarding the student loan “crisis”, I wonder how many of the grads with 70K – 100K student loan debts ever worked to pay for any of the expenses. I started working construction jobs when I was 13 and saved pretty much everything for collage. When I finally graduated, I had some debt like mortgage, car payment, etc. Also had a stay-at-home wife and three kids under five. Only help I got (or would have accepted) from my parents was a small loan to increase the size of downpayment on house in the new city until we got the other house sold. If I could do it, I’m pretty sure that most could do at least some of it.
Jack
October 27th, 2011
8:20 am
Kyle:
In my opinion, President Obama has not done enough to deserve re-election. I know, it’s not all his fault but he is the CEO and CEOs get much more credit and blame than they deserve and ultimately, they sink or swim based on results. That’s life in the business world.
That being said, republicans are making a mistake to believe just because voters are unhappy with President Obama, they will automatically vote for the republican nominee. I don’t think so.
If the republicans keep messing around with someone like that tax dodging pizza salesman or the governor of Texas (based on his grasp of the issues and his political expertise – I could not believe he fell in with the birthers this week -, it appears all those average grades he brags about while at A&M may represent the best he could do), I believe many who do not believe the President should be re-elected will vote for him anyway as the only alternative.
If the republicans nominee a proven successful businessman who has experience sucessfully working with opposing political thought, I think the republicans will take the White House. That would be Governor Romney. Republicans will do the right thing in the upcoming primaries- its the tea party voters that worry me.
don
October 27th, 2011
8:23 am
It amazes me that 1 person, let alone the # of people responding here would even consider voting for the obvious incompetent hack that is our president right now. Simply lends credence to the fact that conservatives are smarter than democrats. Their talking points prove that they are simply being baited by the same people they support. They are being led like sheep to slaughter. It’s really quite simple to see.
The numerous jobs bills passed by congress are sitting at the feet of Harry Reid in the senate. Unfortunately, it is Obama’s way, or the highway. His ego is unlike any we’ve ever seen in politics.
Go ahead, vote for him again. God forbid you actually have to think for yourself, right?
ByteMe
October 27th, 2011
8:27 am
The big flaw in this line of reasoning is the introduced part…how many have been passed?
How many have even made it past House leadership for a vote and how many “jobs” bills were nothing more than tax giveaways to companies who didn’t need it? Goose egg. Republicans are great at throwing rocks, but terrible at governing… unless you like seeing abortion bills voted on.
JF McNamara
October 27th, 2011
8:28 am
Dan,
“JF it is activity like the loan program that caused the economic mess, ie bad loans.”
You don’t understand this program at all. The program is specifically for people who bought homes they COULD afford. Its NOT Subprime. Only people who have never been late on a payment qualify.
These are people who were the biggest VICTIMS in the subprime mess. They undoubtably bought smaller homes than they wanted because prices were so high, and they knew they couldn’t afford a bigger one even thought they were approved for a bigger loan. They paid as their home price got pummeled because people bought houses they couldn’t afford. They got a smaller house than they wanted and are upside down on equity even though they did the RIGHT thing, and they still continue to do the RIGHT thing by paying.
If you can’t get behind these people, the responsable people, the 70%-99% (since people are into percents these days), then you are completely out of sync with reality. This is finally a program that helps the responible borrower who got victimized in the whole mess. Its about time.
SinisterSchemer
October 27th, 2011
8:28 am
Oooh Kyle! That dirty sinister schemer Obama is at his outrageous and astounding worst yet ever. (Sorry if this sounds like talk radio.) Imagine a sitting president actually campaigning for reelection. Never happened before in the history of the republic. Again I say astounding. Scary, too.
carlosgvv
October 27th, 2011
8:38 am
Obama is not able to produce “an economy that’s growing and producing more jobs and higher incomes”. One of the main reasons for this is Republican determination to block each and every program he proposes to help our economy, no matter how much harm this stonewalling causes to the American people. Republican faithful are so determined to gid rid of that African Marxist Leninist Socialist Obama that they will gladly sacrifice their economic well being to the Republicans and Big Business.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
8:39 am
Oh yea right
October 27th, 2011
7:58 am
“…The Democrats had control of the congress for 4 years, they’ve had control of the senate for 3 years, and Obama has been President 3. No, the Dumocrats had control of the HOUSE AND SENATE for the last 8 years and then with a Democrat President who can spend not a penny without the concent of the HOUSE AND SENATE. They gave this President every thing he asked for but faught Bush the entire time he was in office. Some of you really need to know facts before you start spouting your lies. THE DEMOCRATES ARE 8 YEARS PLUS and still have control of the SENATE and are hiding all the Republican bills that might help get us out of this.”
WRONG!! Here’s the correct numbers for control during the past decade– from the Office of the Clerk of the House:
T D R
(105th
(1997-1999) 435 206 228 Independent (1) 0 4/1
106th
(1999-2001) 435 211 223 Independent (1) 0 4/1
107th
(2001-2003) 435 212 221 Independents (2) 0 4/1
108th
(2003-2005) 435 205 229 Independent (1) 0 4/1
109th
(2005-2007) 435 202 232 Independent (1) 0 4/1
110th
(2007-2009) 435 233 202 Independent (0) 0 4/1
111th
(2009-2011) 435 257 178 Independent (0) 0 5/1
112th
(2011-2013) 435 193 242 Independent (0) 0 5/1
Democrats did NOT have an 8-year control of the government!! The problems occurred under REPUBLICAN CONTROL….the numbers show it!!
JDW
October 27th, 2011
8:39 am
@@@..”…members of Congress have introduced dozens of bills related to jobs and the economy this year. It’s more like “He can’t wait” — for his re-election prospects to brighten.”
Let’s have some specfics instead of this nebulous “dozens” horse manure…tax cuts for the rich and corporate America don’t qualify.
Gordon
October 27th, 2011
8:41 am
@Road Scholar,
I haven’t forgotten Bush’s war costs, and have never given him a free pass on any of his overspending. You’ll notice I didn’t mention Obama’s name in my post, although he has overspent more than any president in history. I was pointing out that believing that reducing unemployment will take care of the deficit is absurd on its face. Only entitlement reform will save us from a major train wreck financially. The cost of the wars is very small (in financial terms) compared to that. We have unfunded costs in the tens of trillions, a 14T existing debt, and a 1.4T deficit. That situation should dwarf any other issue out there, including terrorism, global warming, immigration, unemployment or anything else. It WILL bring us down if we don’t make major changes now.
5th District Conservative
October 27th, 2011
8:42 am
Oboma blew it when he used up his political capital pushing through Obamacare instead of focusing on jobs as the recession grew.
Ross Perot
October 27th, 2011
8:43 am
It’s really amazing to me that democrat supporters can turn a blind eye to the fact that no budgets have ever been passed by the dems in Obama’s tenure, the blatant payoffs to democratic donors,the ability of the IRS to be the collection agency for Obamacare yet have no idea of the proposals the conservative congress have submitted to the do nothing senate. They get their ideology from 10 second sound bites from Chris Matthews and the Ed show and think they have a clue as to what is going on. This president’s only talent is for doing nothing, being clueless and trying to make himself look good doing it. One term please!
Don't Tread
October 27th, 2011
8:46 am
“the president is seeking to bypass the legislative process via executive orders to change existing policies originally approved by Congress”
In other words, the system of checks and balances be damned.
And this is why he needs to go. He wants too much power, and we all know that concentrated power is the enemy of liberty. Even Joe is jealous of the Chinese, who don’t have to go through pesky things (such as legislators elected by the people) to get laws passed.
I Love Life Cereal
October 27th, 2011
8:55 am
This just in: Obama sucks.
Thant is all.
Carry on.
Jimmy62
October 27th, 2011
8:55 am
The problem is obviously the Republican Congress (you know, the one that is half controlled by the Democrats, who actually voted down Obama’s jobs bill themselves?)!
Also, when Obama is starting wars without congressional approval and talking about going around Congress to get stuff down, where is all the criticism of an imperial presidency? As usual, the hypocritical left applauds behavior that they strongly criticized when the other side was in the White House (even though Bush got Congressional approval, and did little in the way of imperial actions compared to Obama).
Tonya Harding
October 27th, 2011
8:58 am
Happy Birthday
Cal
October 27th, 2011
9:00 am
Tuition, fees jump at public universities, according to report
Did Obama offer a solution to that? Hell no! The government subsidizes the colleges. Where is his admonishment of greed when it comes to public colleges?
Voice of Reason
October 27th, 2011
9:01 am
If helping people on their mortgages will help the economy, why don’t we just pay everyone’s mortgage off completely. While we’re at it, let’s forgive all public student debt and pay all private student debt. If these savings help, then by your logic, just freeing up all of their income will help the economy more, right?
As someone who went to college and graduated recently and collected no small amount of debt, I would like to go on record as saying I do not want the government’s assisstance in paying off my debt. I knowingly borrowed the money and I am obligated to pay it back. It’s that simple. However, my debt doesn’t scare me because I got a good job. It wasn’t too hard to find either, bad economy or no, because I got a degree in something useful. If you racked up 50k in loans for an english degree, sorry, I have no sympathy. Also, if home owners are current on their payments, clearly they don’t need the help anyway.
BULLSEYE
October 27th, 2011
9:10 am
Kyle looks cute in his Brown shirt and boots.
A handful of grease in his hair.
#occupy my desk...
October 27th, 2011
9:20 am
Oh my God – you all defend this guy like he is your own child. Sorry, if the plain facts in Kyle’s article aren’t enough to raise eyebrows – and this jobs tour just happens to be in battleground states – then we have jumped the shark as a country.
Congress, both sides of the aisle, have suggested dozens of measures to improve the economy and Obama has turned up his nose to all of them. What he is suggesting is another stimulus almost identical to the failed one of 09. Reducing student loans will indeed end up costing the students more in the long run – if you buy a car at 5% for 36 months or 3% for 60 months, you end up paying more for the car with the latter option – even though your monthly payments will be a little lower. Call this what it is – a token to buy young votes for 2012. Stop blindly defending these failures for the sake of defending them please…
@@
October 27th, 2011
9:22 am
JDW:
@@@..”…members of Congress have introduced dozens of bills related to jobs and the economy this year. It’s more like “He can’t wait” — for his re-election prospects to brighten.”
^^^ wasn’t my comment, but since you asked.
The Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act
H.R. 872 – Senate has taken no action to date
The Energy Tax Prevention Act
H.R. 910 – Senate has taken no action to date
Disapproval of FCC’s Net Neutrality Regulations
H.J.Res. 37 – Senate has taken no action to date
The Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act
H.R. 2018 – Senate has taken no action to date
Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act
H.R. 2587 – Senate has taken no action to date
Transparency In Regulatory Analysis Of Impacts On The Nation
H.R. 2401 – Senate has taken no action to date
Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act
H.R. 2681 – Senate has taken no action to date
EPA Regulatory Relief Act
H.R. 2250 – Senate has taken no action to date
Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act
H.R. 2273 – Senate has taken no action to date
Veterans Opportunity to Work Act
H.R. 2433 – Senate has taken no action to date
Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act
H.R. 1230 – Senate has taken no action to date
Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act
H.R. 1229 – Senate has taken no action to date
Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act
H.R. 1231 – Senate has taken no action to date
The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011
H.R. 2021 – Senate has taken no action to date
North American-Made Energy Security Act
H.R. 1938 – Senate has taken no action to date
H.Con.Res. 34
Feel free to review “the specifics” of each and every one. Report back as to your findings.
schnirt
I’m off today. The last thing I wanna do is spend it with people like you.
sircharles19
October 27th, 2011
9:37 am
It is ashame that our elected leaders would rather take care of everyboyd else instead of our own! Like America citizens don’t matter..and from where I stand, we don’t.
JDW
October 27th, 2011
9:38 am
@@@…just as I though, HORSE HOOEY. If you dress up gutting regulatory oversight, environmental protections, trashing free trade and “overturning Obama” and try to call it job creation it still doesn’t fly.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:41 am
HDB
I want some of what you’re smoking. I laugh at the fact that you blame the GOP for Obama’s failures.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:42 am
“One of the main reasons for this is Republican determination”
And what of his first two years with a Democrat controlled House and Senate?
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:43 am
“HORSE HOOEY.”
Did you learn that at Harvard, cupcake?
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:44 am
” And Obama’s re-election chances depend in no small part on keeping young people on his side.”
I wouldn’t count on that strategy to win in 2012. He’s lost most of independent voters. Michigan, Penn, Ohio, Florida etc are all red states now.
Guess 2010 didn’t work out so well for Obama.
ragnar danneskjold
October 27th, 2011
9:45 am
Good morning all. Chauncey has a slogan we can all get behind in “we cannot wait.” Paired with his previous slogan, “Winning the Future” – which explained all of his policies with its acronym – we now have reason to vote and can only wish the election were tomorrow.
ragnar danneskjold
October 27th, 2011
9:53 am
Dear Kyle, I am loathe to add a sour note, but we need to address the two Georgia RINOs in the Senate. Last week, on an approximately 60-38 vote, the Senate actually did something, it raised the taxpayer guarantees on FNMA/FHLMC homes from $700k to $750k, as if those guarantees had nothing to do with the previous bubble. Georgia has the distinction of being the only state that had two Republicans voting for the new taxpayer burden. Inexcusable, time to elect a couple of conservatives.
Scooter
October 27th, 2011
9:53 am
The Obama’s plan will help me to a degree. It will allow me to refinance my residence into a new amortization schedule that will reduce my payments. However, it will put me back at the beginning of that schedule where I’m paying more interest and less principal. Therefore, if I take advantage of The Obama’s program I will maintain my current payments to reduce my principal and bring myself back into positive equity. It will essentially do very little for financially savvy people who don’t rely on the “help” of community organizers to stay in dept and live hand-to-mouth.
Scooter
October 27th, 2011
9:54 am
debt, not dept.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
9:55 am
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:41 am
Don’t need to smoke anything….the facts speak for themselves! Two wars paid with borrowed money, massive unemployment, tax cuts for the rich…..all done under Republican CONtrol! Start with 1981 and progress to current time……it’s what I’ve EXPERIENCED….not read about!!
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:56 am
” time to elect a couple of conservatives.”
We had our chance to put Handel in but instead put Deal in.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:57 am
“Two wars paid with borrowed money, massive unemployment, tax cuts for the rich…..all done under Republican ”
Two wars were voted for by the current administration. Hillary and Biden.
Unemployment is higher under Obama than it ever was under Bush.
Your “facts” wreak of lies, HDB.
Real Athens
October 27th, 2011
9:57 am
Where is Findland?
Scooter
October 27th, 2011
9:58 am
Oh yeah! It’s odd The Obama now says “we can’t wait”, because he sure thought we could wait while he shoved health care “reform” down America’s throat. He seems to be a campaigner, not a leader.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:59 am
“tax cuts for the rich”
Obama extended those cuts, HDB.
Stop lying.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 27th, 2011
10:01 am
Findland is where you will “find” Obozo is stimulating manufacturing jobs with his giveaway of $500 million in taxpayer money to build an electric sports car for his fatcat buddies.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 27th, 2011
10:04 am
Haven’t heard much about Gitmo lately. Is it still open for business?
JDW
October 27th, 2011
10:08 am
Government can create jobs by taking action to impact two things. First increasing demand is what really drives job growth in existing businesses. Things that increase demand have a positive impact. Second, despite all the gnashing of teeth over small business driving jobs the type of business that really drives new jobs is new businesses. Anything government can do to foster the creation of new businesses is a positive.
While the Dems have not done a good job of targeting these activities they have at least marginally impacted them by saving public service jobs (when these people keep their jobs they spend money increasing demand), minimizing taxes for people that spend the money (again not particularly effective but it does have some impact BTW the student loan bit falls in this category), keeping interest rates low to make dollars accessible, trying to drive infrastructure spending and trying to generate some funding for emerging industries such as solar.
Frankly the Repugs have offered very little that would actually make a positive impact. Tax cuts for the rich most likely has a detrimental effect, reducing regulation really has no impact on jobs—maybe profits to some degree but as we saw in the financial meltdown this can have negative impacts as well. Other Republican led actions such as scolding China on currency values—what a joke, creating uncertainty by making a stink over raising the debt limit, raising the filibuster to onerous levels, dramatically increasing deficit spending starting in 2000 and then refusing to consider rational solutions to the problem all very negatively impact consumer confidence and thus reduce demand.
Seems to me the Dems aren’t having a big enough impact and most of the Repugnican Universe is a big wet blanket that is doing more harm than good.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:09 am
“Seems to me the Dems aren’t having a big enough impact and most of the Repugnican Universe is a big wet blanket that is doing more harm than good.”
Did you learn that at “Harvard?”
“Government can create jobs ”
No it can’t.
Real Athens
October 27th, 2011
10:10 am
Who are the fatcats who drive electric cars? Do they live in Findland? Isn’t Helsinki in Finland?
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:10 am
“Other Republican led actions such as scolding China”
Obama’s pal Emmelt sent TONS of jobs to China. Don’t hear you crying about that, cupcake.
Pete Moss
October 27th, 2011
10:11 am
No surprise here:
Blog post says GOP has sponsored “zero” job creation bills
DailyKooks avoid reality.
Real Athens
October 27th, 2011
10:12 am
Billy:
The Interstate Highway System didn’t create any jobs?
ragnar danneskjold
October 27th, 2011
10:14 am
Der Billy @ 9:56, good morning, I think that when I voted for Ms. Handel she was running for governator. Did not realize she ran for senate also.
the red herring
October 27th, 2011
10:17 am
it should be criminal for him (or any other sitting president) to use taxpayer money to campaign. especially so with the economy and the debt the way it is. like it or not the majority of the debt has been added since he became president and each time his predictions of how much our situation would improve if we added more debt have failed to materialize. this dictator and his czars need to be run out of washington asap. to use czars and failure to enforce our laws with a corrupt DOJ tells us this administration is nothing but trouble and the sooner we get them out the better off the country will be. obama doesn’t have the authority to do much of what he has done already and time will prove him to be the only president worse than carter (especially from doing things unconstitutionally). he is an excellent campaigner but is a terrible president. people that voted for him last time should go back and look at his record and remember what was warned about him prior to his being elected–”watch what he actually does not what he says he will do”. It has been mostly bad for this country—socialist policies will not work to create jobs and business in this country (other than government jobs and those are unsustainable when there isn’t enough tax revenue to pay for them– which we already know is the case at hand).
DannyX
October 27th, 2011
10:18 am
Stock market soaring again today! Over 12,000!
GDP doubled!
Oct unemployment rate will be under 9%!!
Small change???? Hardly.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 27th, 2011
10:19 am
Billy, come on now–dontcha know the USSR created a job for everyone?
Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
October 27th, 2011
10:20 am
Obama use your executive orders to change existing policies because we can’t wait on the selfish, self serving, rich, don’t care GOP!!
Republican supporters you are being BAMBOOZLED by your own party of selfish a**holes.
JDW
October 27th, 2011
10:25 am
@Billy…”Did you learn that at “Harvard?””
Am I talking over your reading level? There are remedial courses you can take for that.
Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
October 27th, 2011
10:25 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout (Revised Downward) October 27th, 2011 10:04 am
No one gives a sh*t about Gitmo! WHERE ARE THE JOBS? You are being BAMBOOZLED by the Republicans.
I bet you a million dollars that your party is GOING TO PAY IN 2012 FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:26 am
“The Interstate Highway System didn’t create any jobs?”
Temp jobs.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:26 am
ragnar danneskjold
I meant to type governor.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:27 am
“Am I talking over your reading level? There are remedial courses you can take for that.”
No, it’s just funny to read comments from people who think they’re smarter than other people. And no, I already have a degree, cupcake.
Where did you earn yours?
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:28 am
“I bet you a million dollars”
So you’ll be paying in Monopoly money?
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:29 am
“Stock market soaring again today! Over 12,000!
GDP doubled!
Oct unemployment rate will be under 9%!!”
HAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!!!
Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
October 27th, 2011
10:29 am
@Scooter October 27th, 2011 9:58 am
You don’t want to talk about being a leader do you?
Bush lead us into this mess and two wars. Where were you? You were not on a blog doggin him were you?
Lead on that buddy!
HDB
October 27th, 2011
10:29 am
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
9:57 am
Ask those who were laid off because of 9/11 and couldn’t find work for up to two and three years……(I know…I was ONE of them(when I was working for UNITED AIRLINES))….
Ask those who got their unemployment insurance EXTENDED under a Democratic Administration by the extension of those tax cuts (which Republicans would NOT have done unless they got those tax cuts to remain!)……
Ask those who FOUND employment under the Democratic Administration when they COULDN’T under the Republican…(I was ONE of them!)….
Not lying…..just what I EXPERIENCED!! You need to look at OTHER sides of the equation, not just the party line……..
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:30 am
Isnt it great that we all get to pay for his national tour?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:30 am
HDB…sounds like you should have been a better employee.
retired early
October 27th, 2011
10:30 am
It’s clear when you read the entire article that one man’s “job bill” is another man’s “tax cut”. It is also crystal clear, that the “trickle down” economic theory is totally bogus. Since 1979, the top 1% of earners income has increased at 275%, while the bottom income earners by 18%. Reagan became president in 1980 and introduced America to the “trickle down”…cut taxes for the rich to “create jobs”.
The sad truth is after 30 years of being deceived by this economic policy…the current GOP continues to preach this madness, and worse still…you voters still don’t “get it”. You blindly follow a party that is your own worst enemy.
Now, Kyle here, is trying to “glean” anything he can to support this “party of the rich” AKA the GOP.
Kyle, why not talk about the huge disparity in income growth just released in the national media yesterday…oh….I get it….that would be an admission that the “one trick pony” cut taxes for the rich as a cure all for our economic woes as preached by your precious GOP…is nothing but BS.
Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
October 27th, 2011
10:31 am
@Billy Bane October 27th, 2011 10:28 am
It don’t matter because I will never have to pay up.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:31 am
HDB
Stop lying.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:31 am
“It don’t matter because I will never have to pay up.”
That’s because you don’t have a million dollars, liar. Did you and your loser friends levitate the GP building?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:35 am
Billy….hahah great! I saw that too!
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
October 27th, 2011
10:36 am
We can’t wait!!! The First Stimulus BLEW $800 Billion!! Now, let’s BLOW another $450 Billion!!
redneckbluedog
October 27th, 2011
10:38 am
I would like to take this opportunity to thank President and Commander-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama for saving the United States economy after George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, Dick Armey, and Tom DeLay almost drove it to total collapse in 2008……
Furthermore, I would like to thank the President and Joe Biden and the House and Senate Democrats for standing strong against the “Tea Party” Republicans in the United States House of Representatives earlier this year when they again tried to dismantle the United States’ economy by sending it into default…….
Furthermore, I would like to thank the President and Commander-in-Chief and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton for keeping the United States safe during the “Arab spring”….They have presided over the deaths of America’s worst enemies….Osama bin Laden, Anwar al-Awlaki, and Mommar Quaddafi……
I am so proud of the 2.5% economic growth in the 3rd quarter of 2011 and the 200 point jump in the NYSE this morning….KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS…..DO NOT LET CONSERVATIVES WRECK THE ECONOMY AGAIN AND PUT OUR TROOPS IN DANGER…..!!!!!!!!!!
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
October 27th, 2011
10:40 am
“..Government can create jobs…”
Really? Exactly how does Government create a job? Please be specific. Where does the money come from? How much does each job cost? How long does the job last?
HDB
October 27th, 2011
10:40 am
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:30 am
Nope…..seniority was the issue!! Had only been there a year!! Couldn’t argue that!! Layoffs were done by the book!!
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:31 am
Don’t have to lie…..everyone’s experience differs….and is no less true!! I can see the statistics….but also can see the variations!! One person’s experiences can NOT be discounted just because they are a statistical variation! That variation ALSO is based on facts!!
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UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:41 am
Redneck……hahahahahahahahaahahah!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:41 am
HDB….are you a job jumper?
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:43 am
“Don’t have to lie”
But you did.
retired early
October 27th, 2011
10:43 am
Redneckbluedog
HEAR HEAR !!!!
You could have titled your blog “Facts about the Obama Presidency that you will never hear on Fox News”.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:43 am
redneckbluedog, are you on acid?
wtf?
October 27th, 2011
10:44 am
redneckbluedog
October 27th, 2011
10:38 am
Hilarious!!! No hope for you.
Real Athens
October 27th, 2011
10:44 am
Billy:
The Interstate Highway System created temp jobs? Ha! That’s rich. If you can’t figure that one out for yourself, no sense in engaging you any further. SOme folks should never hit send.
“The nation as a whole, which has reaped a gain of at least $6 in benefit for each $1 spent in construction. And that’s just the beginning — there are additional benefits such as higher employment rates and greater economic opportunity that are simply beyond quantification.”
http://www.publicpurpose.com/freeway1.htm
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:44 am
“You could have titled your blog “Facts about the Obama Presidency that you will never hear on Fox News”.”
Fox News envy.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
10:44 am
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:41 am
Nope…..I LIKE creating longevity….and I also like when opportunity presents itself!!
Welcome to the Occupation
October 27th, 2011
10:44 am
I see some of our baneful usual suspects are out in force this morning.
So, Kyle, as usual your column is just a recitation of petty gripes about tactics and such. I mean, assuming John McCain were president now and doing the same sorts of things, do you really expect us to believe you would be just as tough on him? And blaming Obama for direct appeals to public opinion in the face of an absolute partisan blockade in the legislative area? Seriously? Is that supposed to be a serious gripe? Wow. That’s some real cojones on your part to even suggest such a complaint.
And kind of “short change”-ish, too, if you ask me.
TruthBe
October 27th, 2011
10:46 am
Obama is a shameless snake oil salesmen. HDB you and the rest of the kool-aid juice drinkers need to read the entire bill that Obama and the progressive democrats wrote. If you would have than you would know that in the student loan bill Obama gives the right to the government to harrass people on their cell phones for debt. But only the government. This president is a big government control freak. Who pays for this bill. America is broke. But Hillary Clinton and Obama just gave Libya 50 million taxpayers dollars for the muslim brotherhood rebels in Libya. Why? And wouldn’t this money be better used here in America. What about the 3 billion taxpayers dollars given to Hamas, PLO, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbullah by Hillary and Obama thru the State Department since Obama been in office? How come you liberal democrats don’t speak out about that?ANYBOBY BUT OBAMA in 2012.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:46 am
Retired….how about “Facts about Obama that are NOT facts!” that sounds much better and is more accurate.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:47 am
HDB….so you like when opporunity “presents itself” that is what I thought. So you are saying that you like to sit back and wait for something to fall into your lap versus being ambitious and going out and making your life better…….That is what I thought.
JDW
October 27th, 2011
10:48 am
@Billy…”Where did you earn yours?”
Not that it’s any of your business but I have two and as for the remainder of your inane drivel…
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:49 am
“SOVIET FLAG FLIES AT OCCUPY WALL STREET IN PHILADELPHIA” Nice very nice!
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
October 27th, 2011
10:49 am
I am so proud of my Democratic base. Next time we WILL levitate the Georgia-Pacific building!! Yes we can!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:49 am
JDW….you have two what? Brain cells?
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:51 am
“Not that it’s any of your business but I have two and as for the remainder of your inane drivel”
Liar.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:52 am
Welcome to the Occupation
Were you able to levitate the GP building with your massive cranium?
retired early
October 27th, 2011
10:52 am
UGA
So you are saying Obama did not give the order to kill Bin laden ?? Would you even give him credit for being elected president…or that he is alive…married with 2 kids…anything???!!!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:53 am
FUTURE OBAMA SUPPORTER!! HAHAH now who is racist?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a69_1319665650
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:57 am
Retired….Oh I will give him plenty of credit…..debt, job loss, uncertainty in the market place, OWS, more instability in the middle east…..would you like to keep going?
Real Athens
October 27th, 2011
10:58 am
UGA 1999 @ 10:53: You’re the answer to your own question.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
10:58 am
retired early
It’s great that Obama got Bin Laden but I will never vote for someone just because they gave the order to kill said person. Left wingers like you were outraged when Bush got Saddam.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
10:59 am
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:47 am
When opportunity presents itself doesn’t mean that I’m WAITING…but I’M CREATING the opportunity!! “Making myself better” includes education, work experience, work ethic….and IF the opportunity presents itself in another environment, then preparing myself to learn more about that environment and how to smoothly transition myself into that environment!! A BS and TWO Masters degrees means that I took it upon myself to make myself into a viable candidate for whatever opportunity I seek……
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:00 am
Real…..hahaha nice ignorant post! hahaha
retired early
October 27th, 2011
11:00 am
UGA
…..but what about killing Bin Laden….you have not answered that.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
11:02 am
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
10:57 am
“Retired….Oh I will give him plenty of credit…..debt, job loss, uncertainty in the market place, OWS, more instability in the middle east…..would you like to keep going?”
You know all these are considered BUSHISMS, don’t you….debt, job loss, uncertainty, instability?? OWS and the Tea Party (according to them) were created as a RESULT of BUSHISMS!!!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:02 am
HDB….a BS and two Masters? Impressive, unfortunately those degrees alone will not “create and opportunity”. It is your drive, motivation and ambition that will get you more.
I only have one degree but work a full time job and own two businesses. NOT only because of my education but my work ethic, values and drive.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:03 am
HDB….WOW Bush is president now?
retired early
October 27th, 2011
11:03 am
Billy
“left wingers like….Saddam”. So, that “kill”… was worth 4500 American lives and 1 trillion dollars. If you answered yes…you are truly insane.
TruthBe
October 27th, 2011
11:04 am
HDB, Obama is far worst than Bush on the economy and that was bad enough.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:05 am
retired….what about it?
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
October 27th, 2011
11:05 am
I love how my little monions still blame Bush for every woe. Geez, they’re clueless. They’ll vote for me no matter how I screw things up!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:06 am
retired…insane really??? Is that why Clinton tried to kill him twice but failed? BTW….Iraq right now is a gleaming success in the middle east. And no it has nothing to do with anything Obama did.
However Obama will be responsible for the aftermath in Libya…..Sharia Law….nice.
retired early
October 27th, 2011
11:07 am
UGA
Do you agree that Obama is responsible for killing Bin Laden ????
HDB
October 27th, 2011
11:08 am
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:02 am
HDB….a BS and two Masters? Impressive, unfortunately those degrees alone will not “create and opportunity”. It is your drive, motivation and ambition that will get you more.
No disagreement there…..how do you think I got to where I’ve been?? Just because I was laid off didn’t mean I sat idly by!! Persistent job searches, doing what I had to do to survive…and the flexibility to move got me back to work…but it took two years for it to happen!! When I had to come back to care for my mother who was suffering fron Alzheimers’, it took another two years to find work…but I did!! The atmosphere was more condusive for my successes under Democrats rather than Republicans…..
Just my experience……..
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:10 am
Retired….I think Obama did make the decision to pull the trigger. However there are MANY more people that are more responsible for taking him out. Ever hear of Seal Team 6?
Real Athens
October 27th, 2011
11:11 am
UGA 1999: “Iraq … gleaming success?? C’mon now, step away from the computer and go back to coloring. You’re in over your head.
Do you know what a “monion” is? Just wondering.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:13 am
HDB….honestly dude, I appreciate your comments, (honestly) thank you.
I wish you the best of luck, it seems that you are on the right path and I wish you well. I can tell you as a business owner that Obama brings WAY too much instability into the job market. Many companies (like mine) are not willing to hire new employees if we do not need to. We are also saving our profits for a rainy day. Until something dramatically changes in DC this is not going to change the jobless numbers or the unwillingness for corporations to hire people. Sorry dude that is just a fact.
retired early
October 27th, 2011
11:14 am
UGA
The only “successful” Democracies in the Middle East are those created by the citizens themselves.
Remember this…Iran is a Democracy. Iraq will be another Iran. That is why we have no business “nation building” in the Middle East.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:14 am
Real….care to compare the political state and economic state of Iraq versus any other middle east country now? Have you spoken to any soldiers that are currently or recently been in Iraq? My nephew just got back.
DannyX
October 27th, 2011
11:15 am
I really feel your pain. I don’t blame you guys a bit for pretending that Bush W never existed. We always want to remember the good times and lets face it, Bush pretty much destroyed the economy and his foreign policy was a mess. Nobody wants to relive the horrors of the Bush years. We all need to start healing.
Bless your hearts.
JDW
October 27th, 2011
11:15 am
@Billy…”Liar”
My aren’t you witty, insightful and articulate.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:17 am
Retired….really when did Iraq get ayatollahs?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:18 am
DannyX…..wow i hope obama goes into the debates with a blame bush attitude…..please please please!
HDB
October 27th, 2011
11:18 am
TruthBe
October 27th, 2011
11:04 am
Depends on your circumstance and environment…..it was EASIER for me to find employment under the current Administration rather than the previous one!! Many don’t see what changes Obama is attempting to make to IMPROVE the business environment! Health Care costs affect everyone…and the beginning of reforms would improve businesses’ bottom line! I admit that the INITIAL iteration may not be the best idea….but what software performs well in its initial iteration! HCR will need modification….but at least, it’s begun!!
Environmental regulation should be something that business should appreciate…..but we all know that business WILL NOT POLICE ITSELF!! It takes the enforcement arm of the government to create the proper environment….not just for business…but also for the CONSUMER!! Out of these regulations can come the innovations that American business was once noted for!!!
Tax policy NEEDS a revamping….but not in such a way to weaken the safety net nor creating a hostile atmosphere for business!!
Change can be either incremental….or voluminous….whatever is required to get things on the correct path for ALL in this nation!!!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:18 am
HDB…i apprecaite your comments but you are WAY off in your judgements.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
11:19 am
” was worth 4500 American lives and 1 trillion dollars. If you answered yes…you are truly insane.”
A lot less than Vietnam.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
11:19 am
“My aren’t you witty, insightful and articulate.”
Yes.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
11:20 am
“Nobody wants to relive the horrors of the Bush years. ”
Things were better under Bush.
Scooter
October 27th, 2011
11:20 am
“Bush lead us into this mess and two wars. Where were you? You were not on a blog doggin him were you?”
“Lead on that buddy!”
Typed like a presumptive and petulant little child.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
11:20 am
“HDB….a BS and two Masters?”
A master at BS.
getalife
October 27th, 2011
11:24 am
Economy grew 2.5 %.
The good news on our economy is horrible news for the gop obstruction for this election.
The gop deserve to lose for their unAmemerican and unpatriotic actions.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
11:25 am
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:13 am
Hey..thanks!! We both want the nation to do well….and we know that there are varying methodologies we all see to accomplish that goal!!
The problem I see is that the application of circular logic is primary here: employers aren’t hiring because there’s no demand…..and there’s no demand because employers aren’t hiring!! Many changes I’m envisioning ARE SORELY NEEDED….but too many are resistant to a paradigm shift!! The most constant thing in life is CHANGE!! As a nation, we need to rediscover the flexibility we once had that made us dynamic! We can’t resort to xenophobia as we did in the 50s…..
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 27th, 2011
11:25 am
Hey libtards…Exxon’s profit soared 41% so I guess it isn’t all good news today, eh?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:26 am
Getalife….the economy grew 2.5%….prove it. And this after how many quarters of continuous losses???? We are still way in the red.
DW
October 27th, 2011
11:28 am
I actually agree with most of what Kyle said
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:29 am
HDB….I agree with you on most of your points in your last statement. You are right that most companies will hire more when their demand increases. However this is not the case in most situations. As a business owner, if I can increase my demand without needing to hire more people it makes my business more profitable.
The uncertainty that Obama is throwing into our economy is making most businesses scared, especially small business.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
11:29 am
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
11:20 am
Just cause you’re myopic……..
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:18 am
Everyone’s vantage point is different!! I know that some changes ARE needed to improve the American environment….and we can agree to disagree as to the path that’s required to make such improvements….
You see things one way…I, another; the path lies somewhere in the middle!!
getalife
October 27th, 2011
11:29 am
2.5 % growth means gop obstruction for this election failed.
Horrible news for the gop means great news for our country.
You cons are pathetic Americans.
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
11:30 am
The essence of Kyle’s article: Obama does something that people may like, therefore it is bad.
Kyle’s claim: it is like the stimulus, which did not work. The usual Republican falsehood, which they want to sound like the truth if they keep repeating it.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:34 am
MARK….under Obama’s own admittal the stimulus did not work. Remember this “pass the stimulus and the unemployment rate will not rise above 8%”
Dude it failed!
Doug B
October 27th, 2011
11:37 am
“So, it’s another couple of billion bucks piled onto the debt, without adding much bang to the economy.”
Doesn’t it just cost us a couple of billion bucks if most of them default on their mortgage? Very misleading statement, if so.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:39 am
Doug…who is “them”?
TruthBe
October 27th, 2011
11:44 am
Their are many reasons that Employers aren’t hiring but the main one is OBAMACARE.
Obamacare killed jobs because NO one knows the costs this will create. Cap and Trade Manmade Climate Change is another big job killer. Both are democrat’s babies. America needed REAL Healthcare Reform not another Government Takeover Agency like obamacare.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:47 am
Truthbe….Amen.
TruthBe
October 27th, 2011
11:47 am
getalife, You are the pathetic one. You liberal progressive democrat socialist parasites are destroying this great Nation.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:48 am
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/27/8495501-now-hiring-north-dakota-oil-boom-creates-thousands-of-jobs
Drill baby drill!!!
DannyX
October 27th, 2011
11:48 am
You heard it right here first, link to this post when the October employment figures are released. It will mean more “bad” news for Republicans.
The unemployment rate will take a big dip, and will be under 9%.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:48 am
Truthbe…just dont reply to him….he never makes any sense.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:50 am
DannyX…..you are probably right! Thank God those one percenters may start hiring a few! haha
MiltonMan
October 27th, 2011
11:51 am
Obozo at it again:
(1) Go to school & major in some crap program, take out thousands in loans, graduate and not find a job because of your stupid choice of majors. I will forgive/modify your loans on the backs of the taxpayers.
(2) Buy a house you cannot afford because as a Democrat I feel that everybody deserves to own a house. I will modify your mortgage on the backs of taxpayers.
(3) Work hard, develop a skill that is in demand, go to college & actually major in an employable area, pay your bills, your mortgage, etc. Oh wait. You are part of the evil rich & you need to pay your fair share.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
October 27th, 2011
11:54 am
The Democratic road map.
Free Health care, then it will be free college, then it will be free Internet, then free pizza and on and on and on.
They have no clue this money actually has to come from somewhere.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
October 27th, 2011
11:55 am
“You cons are pathetic Americans”
You Libtards are ignorant Americans
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
October 27th, 2011
11:57 am
“The unemployment rate will take a big dip, and will be under 9%.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Not while I’m running the show!
MiltonMan
October 27th, 2011
11:59 am
“cons = pathetic Americans.” So ignorant yet so symbolic of the uber liberal mindset.
I am guessing the author of this statement (that would equal an IQ of about 35) would strongly believe that those “great” Americans would be in the OWS crowd, Jesse jackson, John Edwards, etc, etc.
MiltonMan
October 27th, 2011
12:02 pm
Gimme:
“then it will be free Internet”
It has been around for awhile: E-Rate & Universal Service Fund. Grandiose Liberal ideas that is wrought with fraud.
Rise, you brave Monions!!
October 27th, 2011
12:04 pm
Bane man: Things were better under Bush.
Really? How about Lehman employees, did they “prosper” under the great and mighty Bush?
By the way, where are all those jobs the massive tax cuts of the Bush years were supposed to bring?
Huh?
222
October 27th, 2011
12:08 pm
It’s ludicrous to think one man can fix the problems of this nation. One player doesn’t win a Superbowl or the World Series. It takes a team working together, toward the same goal. The President, the democrats and the republicans are not working together as a team toward the goal of reducing unemployment, etc…. The Republicans are hell bent on unseating President Obama and nothing else. Hence, they will oppose, block, and destroy anything that is contrary to their goal of unseating the President, and the nation will continue to suffer as a result.
Sidebar: How many of us pay the same prices for gas, groceries, etc that we paid in 2008, 2007, 2002, 1990, etc? It’s simply silly to say the nation’s budget should now be equal to what it was in some year that is long past. The GOP is just dumb for advocating such lunacy, yet the uninformed and ignorant buy into their rhetoric.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:09 pm
Rise….what about the the Solyndra employees?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 27th, 2011
12:10 pm
The tax cuts worked while our President Bush was in office (4-6% unemployment). How Obozo screwed it up is a real tragedy for the 9%.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:10 pm
222….whos money does that money consist of?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:10 pm
222….whos moeny does that budget consist of?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:11 pm
Budget not money.
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:11 pm
UGA 1999 @11:34 am
“.under Obama’s own admittal the stimulus did not work.”
Not true.
“ Remember this “pass the stimulus and the unemployment rate will not rise above 8%””
An economic forecast is never a certainty. Does not prove anything.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
October 27th, 2011
12:12 pm
“The GOP is just dumb for advocating such lunacy, yet the uninformed and ignorant buy into their rhetoric.”
NO! The uninformed and ignorant vote for ME!!!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:13 pm
MarkV….IT PROVES THAT THE VERY THING IT WAS MEANT TO PRODUCE, IT DID NOTHING! OMG!
Even Obama admitted this failure.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 27th, 2011
12:13 pm
222, fine. Obozo increased federal spending to 25% of GDP from 20%.
It’s the spending, stupid.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:13 pm
MarkV….Do you like your government speanding your money on programs that were proven not to work?
Rise, you brave Monions!!
October 27th, 2011
12:14 pm
The tax cuts worked while our President Bush was in office (4-6% unemployment).
Hahaha hahahaha hahahahah hahahahah. That’s a good one.
By 2008 an economy facing worldwide collapse and depression, jobs hemorrhaging in the hundreds of thousands. Massive bailouts required to right the ship and stave off disaster. Yeah right, Georgie’s tax cuts worked all right. Bwa haha. Try again, sucker.
Rise, you brave Monions!!
October 27th, 2011
12:17 pm
Hey UGA man: “MarkV….Do you like your government speanding your money on programs that were proven not to work?”
The only thing that’s “proven not to work” is the free market ideology that has reigned for much of the last decades. That failed ideology went belly up in 2007-8 and only the dead-enders in the GOP have failed to look down and realize there’s no ground under their feet.
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:18 pm
UGA 1999 @12:13 pm “MarkV….IT PROVES THAT THE VERY THING IT WAS MEANT TO PRODUCE, IT DID NOTHING! OMG!”
Facts: Before stimulus, economy in free fall, negative growth rate. After stimulus, small but positive growth rate. Any more questions?
“Even Obama admitted this failure.”
Not true. Obama has admitted that it the stimulus was not sufficient, because the severity of the economic conditions was not adequately know when it was proposed.
Obozonomics
October 27th, 2011
12:20 pm
HDB,
People like you are the reason we have partisan issues, the GOP has MANY ides sitting on Harry Reid’s desk. The problem is they are still sitting there. So if you want GOP ideas ask Harry Reid for them; there are MANY.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:21 pm
Rise…WRONG….free market has worked fantastic in this country for over 200 years. Haha i know it is hard but try to keep up and read your history.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:22 pm
MARKV….and since Obama has been in office the economy has been in a steady free fall…..your point?
GuvMINT is the anzer
October 27th, 2011
12:23 pm
GuvMINT is great..why look at the Post Office…AMTRAK…Social Security…Medicare. See how great they work. What’s the problem?
getalife
October 27th, 2011
12:23 pm
Yup.
2.5 % economic growth is horrible news for you cons and your failed corrupt party.
Just look at you spew.
Read your pitiful comments.
You bet against your country and lost.
You bow down for the 1 %.
When will you radical cons man up and start acting like Americans?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:24 pm
Guv….you are right….”I just loves me some Obama gubament!” haha
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:24 pm
NO ONE RESPOND TO GETALIFE!
Rise, you brave Monions!!
October 27th, 2011
12:25 pm
UGA: Rise…WRONG….free market has worked fantastic in this country for over 200 years. Haha i know it is hard but try to keep up and read your history.
Free market heavily constrained by New Deal era reforms?
90% tax rates in the 1940s and 50s ensured productivity for a couple of decades.
Now? Well just look at the numbers.
Free market = failure
Obozonomics
October 27th, 2011
12:26 pm
HDB,
“A BS and TWO Masters degrees means that I took it upon myself to make myself into a viable candidate for whatever opportunity I seek”
BS in basket weaving and TWO masters in how to be a socialist are not the best choices…
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:27 pm
Rise….”new deal era reforms” hahaah really? Such as?
You are comparing an economy to a time when China was not minipulating their currency. Also at that time America was more concerned with making good long lasting products instead of going out and looking for the cheapest labor…..Great job (clinton) Nafta!!
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:27 pm
According to Kyle’s (and other conservatives’) arguments, it is wrong for people to get more money, because they would not spend it (“First, it assumes all of the monthly difference will be spent, not saved. History suggests that won’t happen.”) History does not anything like that.
Instead, he and his ilk suggest to give more money to “job creators” by lowering the taxes (as if companies did not have enough money now), and getting rid of regulations, because then they would start producing products, which would be bought by…. By whom? By those people who do not spend their money?
getalife
October 27th, 2011
12:27 pm
Too much truth for you ug?
You are the most pathetic con on this blog.
Well except for Andy
GuvMINT is the anzer
October 27th, 2011
12:27 pm
Liberalism = Failure
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:28 pm
NICE!!
FUTURE OBAMA VOTER!!
http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/gwinnett-man-who-allegedly-1210803.html
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
“By 2008 an economy facing worldwide collapse and depression”
———-
Guess what never happened on our President Bush’s watch? 9% unemployment, $1.5 trillion deficits, and record numbers on welfare.
Maybe it’s time for another tax cut!
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
UGA 1999 @12:22 pm: “MARKV….and since Obama has been in office the economy has been in a steady free fall…..your point?”
And what exactly do you call free fall? If a small, positive growth rate is “free fall” by your definition, what was it that Obama inherited?
getalife
October 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
What has the gop done to recover the 15 million jobs they lost in the w collapse?
They tried to steal more jobs.
And you cons will reward them with your votes.
What in the world is wrong with you?
Do you have a mental disorder called conservatism?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:30 pm
Celebrities we lost recently…
STEVE JOBS
JOHNNY CASH
BOB HOPE
Hmmmm…..”No Jobs….No Hope….No Cash” Sounds like Obamas campaign plan for 2012.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:31 pm
MarkV…one quarter of growth does not erase two years of decline!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:32 pm
MarkV….question for ya. If you were hired to be a CEO of a large corporation and your first words were that you promised to grow that company “2.5%” over two years…what do you think would happen?
JDW
October 27th, 2011
12:32 pm
@Barry…”Guess what never happened on our President Bush’s watch? 9% unemployment, $1.5 trillion deficits, and record numbers on welfare.”
Nope he was kind enough to just cause the problems and slink back to Texas.
The Great and Powerful Community Organizer
October 27th, 2011
12:33 pm
NOTHING is my fault. I am The Great and Powerful Community Organizer. Nothing. Ever.
getalife
October 27th, 2011
12:34 pm
Why is our President acting alone without corrupt congress to help Americans?
Do we really need a gop that fights for the 1 % only?
Why in the world would any American support the gop if they are not in the 1 %
Are they 1 % tools and the 1 % LAUGH AT THEM?
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:36 pm
Kyle, UGA 1999 and others with the same view of the stimulus are like someone, who would have heard that a new medicine for cancer caused the tumor to shrink, and they would say: “It did not work, the tumor has not disappeared.”
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:37 pm
NICE
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a0c_1319726429
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:37 pm
Oh look, Mark is running to the teach from getting his butt whipped on the playground! haha
getalife
October 27th, 2011
12:38 pm
Do the 1 % need your help?
Do they need any help?
Do they buy pols to make even more billions just for kicks and giggles?
Why do you cons bow down for people that need no help from anybody?
It does not pass the sanity test.
Wake up cons.
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:38 pm
UGA 1999 @ 12:31 pm: “MarkV…one quarter of growth does not erase two years of decline!”
One quarter? At least get yourself informed, this is embarrassing.
Saba
October 27th, 2011
12:38 pm
Obama is clueless!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:40 pm
Mark….I am very informed….to bad you are blind and misguided.
Imma Lib
October 27th, 2011
12:40 pm
Obama has done a great job! Why, the other day, I was riding my unicorn, and came upon a mermaid, and she listed all of Obama’s accomplishments.
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:40 pm
UGA 1999 @ : “MarkV….question for ya. If you were hired to be a CEO of a large corporation and your first words were that you promised to grow that company “2.5%” over two years…what do you think would happen?”
UGA, are you trying to embarrass yourself even more?
getalife
October 27th, 2011
12:41 pm
Dow at 12,000.
2.5 % economic growth.
Horrible news for the gop obstructionists.
What will they run on now?
The gop got nothing and you cons know it.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:42 pm
Do you guys think this guy voted for McCain? haha
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=979_1319724040
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:43 pm
Mark…you are doing a good job of not answering the questions.
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:44 pm
UGA 1999 @12:40 pm: “MarkV…. I am very informed….to bad you are blind and misguided.”
UGA, if you are so very informed than explain why you wrote that there was one quarter of positive growth. There have been nine consecutive quarters of positive growth rate.
gotnolife
October 27th, 2011
12:44 pm
Yep, 401K’s are just doing soooo well. NOT.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:46 pm
Mark….Here you go Genius!
According to the latest report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, real gross domestic product increased at an annual rate of 1.8% in the first quarter of 2011. But by now most of us understand that this is merely calculated by measuring an increase of roughly 0.45 percent from the fourth quarter of 2010 to the first quarter of 2011, and then multiplying the result by four (.045 * 4 = 1.8). That’s all well and good, but it doesn’t necessarily tell us the truth. What most of us really want to know is the annual rate of GDP growth since Obama’s policies were implemented, and how that compares to the previous administration. To arrive at the answer, one must first measure the annual rate of GDP growth from the time Obama took ownership of the economy, and then compare this to the previous rate. In terms of real (i.e. inflation-adjusted) per capita (i.e. population-adjusted) GDP, the U.S. economy has declined at an annual rate of -0.29% since 2008, as compared to an annual growth rate of 1.15% during the eight-years prior. That’s a decline of 396.5% for the mathematically inclined.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
12:46 pm
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
11:29 am
Question: Productivity is the highest it’s been…but demand is down because of employers’ not hiring! Government is placing regulations to correct the largesses of business! What needs to be done to break the cycle of circular logic here??
Chateau
October 27th, 2011
12:48 pm
“You can tell it by his choice of destinations.”
Not a new strategy. The Imbecile Bush liked photo op appearances with captive audiences like police and military, where anyone who didn’t cheer for him risked being fired. It’s a sure sign a president’s done when he starts avoiding gatherings where someone might not applaud.
@@
October 27th, 2011
12:48 pm
@@@…just as I though, [sic] HORSE HOOEY. If you dress up gutting regulatory oversight, environmental protections, trashing free trade and “overturning Obama” and try to call it job creation it still doesn’t fly.
And your fly’s open, Dingleberry.
Anyhoo…your assignment was to search for the details you so desperately needed.
You can’t just look at a bill’s label and declare that’s all that’s covered within. Shute! It was your very own Nancy, who said, during the healthcare debate, “We have to pass the bill so that you (the taxpayer) can find out what is in it.”
“CLASS” act your Nancy.
In my opinion, bills are far more complicated than they need be.
Now GET TO WORK before I have to label you lazy.
schnirt
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
12:48 pm
getalife is a liar and a thief.
@@
October 27th, 2011
12:49 pm
Oops!
JDW, my 12:48 is addressed to YOU.
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:49 pm
UGA 1999 @ 12:43 pm: “Mark…you are doing a good job of not answering the questions.”
I was trying to spare you more embarrassment.
UGA 1999 @12:32 pm “If you were hired to be a CEO of a large corporation and your first words were that you promised to grow that company “2.5%” over two years…what do you think would happen?”
If that company were on the verge of bankruptcy, I bet they would call him a savior.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
12:51 pm
getalife needs to getajob.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:51 pm
HDB….productivity is the highest it’s been? Prove it? Not in this country.
“Government is placing regulations to correct the largesses of business”….and you do not see a problem with this…dude that is a SCARY slope we are getting on. Ever hear of the Soviet Union?
What needs to be done? Ok, here is what I would recommend. We need to start making initiatives to bring jobs back home. Place heavy taxes on any goods that are imported into this country for either a foreign or domestic company. REPEAL OBAMACARE. I am all for healthcare reform but this is NOT what we need right now. Give companies taxes incentives for hiring and creating new jobs. Start a “Buy American” campaign.
It is funny to me that all of these OWS demonstrators are protesting American business but them demanding more jobs and higher pay. Can you say Oxymoron?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:52 pm
MarkV…not if inflation was rising faster than 2.5% over two years and he was spending the companies money faster than they could bring it in. WOW did you not ever take economics? Not even in high school?
Don't Tread
October 27th, 2011
12:53 pm
Isn’t that Getalife in the video, nicely hogtied at the end? Colossal Fail.
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
12:54 pm
UGA 1999 @12:46 pm
You have to be kidding. Suddenly you switched from quarter to annual, and then made all kinds of unwarranted nad laughable assumptions about how the growth rate should be calculated. The fact of nine quarters of GDP growth rate remains.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:54 pm
Do me a favor….next time you are on the road look out your left and right side windows. Ever notice that you hardly ever see an Asian person driving a Chevrolet, Ford or Dodge product? Do you ever wonder why that is?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:54 pm
Mark….I posted facts…how long did you have to use Google before you found some lies?
Nancy Pelosi
October 27th, 2011
12:55 pm
Watch–as I levitate my face!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:56 pm
Mark…humor me. What happens when a countries debt exceeds the GDP?
MarkV
October 27th, 2011
1:03 pm
UGA 1999 @12:52 pm
MarkV…not if inflation was rising faster than 2.5% over two years and he was spending the companies money faster than they could bring it in. WOW did you not ever take economics? Not even in high school?”
Ok, smart guy. I have done with you, when you start making personal attacks. You have shown well enough that you are willing to make ridiculous arguments and false statements about the growth rate. The inflation rate has been –0.34% in 2009 and 1.64% in 2010. So where did you get the 2.5%? And your argument that the CEO’s promise to save a bankrupt company by “only” 2.5% growth rate would be not acceptable is laughable.
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/CurrentInflation.asp
Out now.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
1:13 pm
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
12:51 pm
If I may…..
1) Productivity is the highest it has been. Look how Corporate America is profitting in this tight market. Workers must be doing something right!!
2) “Government is placing regulations to correct the largesses of business”….and you do not see a problem with this…” The problem is that business will not police itself….and is short-term oriented. I don’t have a problem with regulations as long as the regulations protect BOTH business and consuner. Consumer protection does not mean that business has to sacrifice. That’s the problem…the zero-sum game!! Think of the Gulf oil spill; if the US had implemented the Danish regulations as pertaining to deep-water drilling, the spill would not have likely happened…but the oil companies infiltrated the government, deregulated the market…and screwed the pooch on the oil spill!!
3) We don’t need to REPEAL the health care reforms…but we DO need to tweak it! Keep the rules for pre-existing consitions, staying on parents’ policies……sometimes, to get what’s NEEDED, you have to start on such a massive scale as to make the change start rather than lip service to it! NOte that the push to univeral health care in the US was a REPUBLICAN idea (Theodore Roosevelt)…but nothing has been done until now…..We have to start somewhere!!
3) Incentives? No problem! We agree on that……how about a cut in business taxes to 15% AS LONG AS jobs and factories are HERE!! The problem is that the manufacturing sector has been offshored…and THAT has caused the decline in the economy! Now INFORMATION is being offshored…and a further erosion of the economy will take place unless something motivated business to stay here!!
4) The demonstrations are because Corporate America is hoarding money rather than hiring people…so that they (both the people AND the corporation) can make MORE money! Business myopia is really hurting the country right now!!
mike
October 27th, 2011
1:13 pm
You repubs and conservatives appear to be foaming at the mouth when talking about President Obama. I suppose he is on your minds 24/7. It sure must be miserable life you people live each and every day. That is really sad.
@@
October 27th, 2011
1:19 pm
It’ll be interesting to see the comments this generates.
US House passes minor element of Obama jobs plan
Thursday’s vote was a rare example of common ground as the House voted 406 to 16 to eliminate a yet-to-be enacted law that would withhold 3 percent of payments to government contractors.
Passed in 2006, the measure is meant to ensure that firms that do business with the government pay their fair share of taxes.
Business groups say the law, due to take effect in January 2013, unfairly punishes honest contractors and would force them to charge more to make up for the loss of cash flow and would cost more than it would save.
The Democratic-controlled Senate blocked the measure last week, but is expected to take it up again and pass it next week. The White House has said it supports the measure.
However, the two sides disagree over how to cover the bill’s $11 billion cost.
By a largely party-line vote of 262 to 157, the House passed a separate bill that would save $13 billion by tightening eligibility for Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and reduce subsidies in Obama’s landmark health-care overhaul.
Communism rocks
October 27th, 2011
1:23 pm
Kyle – you are seriously one of the dumbest, most ignorant, utterly partisan hacks I’ve yet come across. It is truly astonishing that a supposedly respectable publication sees fit to pay you to scribble your neanderthal like thoughts. And your allowing idiots like uga1999, Barry bailout and others to repeatedly debase not only rational people who post on these boards but also OUR president is proof positive that you’re an ideologically blinded loon. You are a true pinhead, to borrow a phrase from your seipan.
hatorade drinkers
October 27th, 2011
1:24 pm
Why are you running away from the texas joker not planning to do more debates when he will need more practice to be able to do well in the preseidential debates with Obama, those he can’t ball out of?
The guy is a quitter already? what have we done to deserve such a joke of candidates from which to pick?
Communism rocks
October 27th, 2011
1:25 pm
@@ – pretty pathetic you are spending your alleged day off (from standing in the unemployment line?) posting know nothings in response to other know nothings. You’re a fool
hatorade drinkers
October 27th, 2011
1:25 pm
Communism rocks is right about Kyle. I don’t know why ajc employs such dim lights
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:26 pm
HDB….Ok here we go.
1) Productivity is the highest it has been. Look how Corporate America is profitting in this tight market. Workers must be doing something right!!
Actually the workers make up a very small part of this equation. It is the executives (your “top 1%”) that are making the tough decisions that are keeping most of these businesses profitable. It is not productivity, it is smart business decisions from the top.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 27th, 2011
1:27 pm
Sad, really. Kyle writes an article and what do the lonely hearts club libs who troll on here everyday do?
Virtually ignore the article and bring out the usual “Blame Bush” and “What has the GOP proposed arguments.
In short, they’ve continued their “Ignore Reality” tour.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:28 pm
HDB….4) The demonstrations are because Corporate America is hoarding money rather than hiring people…so that they (both the people AND the corporation) can make MORE money! Business myopia is really hurting the country right now!!
Please tell me if you think it is a companies responsiblity to “hire people”?
redneckbluedog
October 27th, 2011
1:28 pm
I am just a Southern Christian veteran who is tired of all of the hypocrisy and the anti-American behavior of those who want to harm our President by harming our country……trying to default America, shipping jobs overseas, and taking away our teachers’ and firefighters’ rights to organize…..to what end..!?!?! So they can finish the destruction of the American economy by shifting even more wealth to the wealthiest 1%……it’s already 40%……
I am also tired of the so-called “social conservatives” who set bad examples like Mark Sanford, Larry Craig, and Jeremy Foley…..The President and his family and the vice-President and his family and Speaker Pelosi and her family are all welcome brethren to my faith……
Of course, if you disagree, maybe you and Rich Parry can meet at the N-head ranch and have a beer….
booger
October 27th, 2011
1:28 pm
Obama is comfortable campaigning. He is not comfortable governing. This is due to his background as a community activist. Their job is to be a proponent of change, not to manage it.
Nancy Pelosi
October 27th, 2011
1:29 pm
Communism rocks
October 27th, 2011
1:23 pm
Come on now….love, peace, tolerance, my fellow nutjob.
redneckbluedog
October 27th, 2011
1:29 pm
Mark Foley…not Jeremy Foley
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:30 pm
Redneck…..trying to default America, shipping jobs overseas, and taking away our teachers’ and firefighters’ rights to organize…
I agree we should bring our jobs back HOME! And teachers, firefighters and anyone else can organize all they want. However if it is a Union (mafia style) thug organization, there is no need for it.
Rise, you brave Monions!!
October 27th, 2011
1:33 pm
Barry Burnout: Guess what never happened on our President Bush’s watch? 9% unemployment, $1.5 trillion deficits, and record numbers on welfare.
I love it. He conveniently zips right by the question of the depression that was about to be served up under Georgie’s watch.
An economy near total collapse, careening towards disaster in 2008: that’s what Georgie gave us.
And when they peered over the abyss, what did they do? Did they fall back on their much touted “free market” principles. He.
They dumped them like a bad habit when push came to hove. That’s why we got what any astute student of 20th C economic history could have told you we would get:
government bailout.
Why? Cause the “free market” couldn’t cut it in the end.
It failed.
Keep whining, suckers, keep on denying. You’re backed in a corner and all you can do is practice evasion and misdirection to distract from your bankrupt ideology.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:35 pm
Rise…Bush did something that Obama will NEVER do…..He was a two term president!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:36 pm
Rise <—–communist!
HDB
October 27th, 2011
1:37 pm
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:28 pm
Corporaations mut answer to their stockholders….and their first credo is to maximize profit! I DO understand that…and have no issue with that! I also think that corporations DO have civic responsibilities to the communities they serve! I look at Southwest Airlines as the best example of Corporate America; they have lost money only ONCE in over 30 years (profitable)…..management has a good relationship with labor (unionized)….and they believe in their civic responsibility! They continued to HIRE during the last downturn…and they have a NO LAYOFF corporate policy!!
If Southwest can do it…why can’t ALL of Corporate America??
Also note Japanese business practices; they focus on 2-5 year business plans rather than focusing on quarter-by-quarter…..and have extreme LOYALTY amongst their employees……
Something is wrong with the American business paradigm….and it needs to be re-examined for what it is…….IMHO…..
Rise, you brave Monions!!
October 27th, 2011
1:38 pm
UGA 1999 <———– free market dead-ender!
redneckbluedog
October 27th, 2011
1:39 pm
Dead or wounded in Iraq and Afghanistant…..Over 33,000……Something else President Bush and Vice-President Cheney did that President Obama hasn’t……
Something President Obama has done that President Bush and Vice-President Cheney didn’t..? KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN, MOMMAR GHADDAFI, AND ANWAR AL-AWLAKI…..
GT
October 27th, 2011
1:41 pm
You don’t like it don’t vote for him. He’s going to get elected anyway. Maybe you need to spend a little time with your own agenda and candidates. O is the only candidate that has been elected by a majority in decades, and he will do it again mainly because the Republican Party can’t field a real candidate. How long are you going to live like this?
Truth is...
October 27th, 2011
1:43 pm
“..How long are you going to live like this?…”
Easy, until November 2012, and Obama’s defeated.
GT
October 27th, 2011
1:45 pm
And who is going to beat him?
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:45 pm
HDB….I also think that corporations DO have civic responsibilities to the communities they serve! I look at Southwest Airlines as the best example of Corporate America; they have lost money only ONCE in over 30 years (profitable)…..management has a good relationship with labor (unionized)….and they believe in their civic responsibility! They continued to HIRE during the last downturn…and they have a NO LAYOFF corporate policy!!
If Southwest can do it…why can’t ALL of Corporate America??
I agree businesses SHOULD have a need to serve their community, however it is not a “responsiblity”. There is no economic policy or standard that says “businesses should hire people even if the company does not need new employees” that is assinine.
Southwest is know for treating both their employees and customers very well. Union or not they do a great job of maintaining business. However would you like me to list all of the companies that have failed that ARE unionized or that are suffering because the Union is involved. Brother my dad was a union employee for nearly 36 years. It wasnt till after he retired that he admitted that the Union is only out there to collect their dues. They will protect the weak at the expense of the good worker and the company.
@@
October 27th, 2011
1:46 pm
Rocks for a brain:
By a largely party-line vote of 262 to 157, the House passed a separate bill that would save $13 billion by tightening eligibility for Medicaid…
Hit ‘ya where it hurt, did it? Been gettin’ what you don’t deserve?
I’ve never collected unemployment. On the recent occasion where I found myself without work, it was voluntary on my part. It was me or somebody else. I could afford to go without. I’m thinkin’ that probably bothers you, doesn’t it?
Whatever ROCKS your “brain”….
Truth is...
October 27th, 2011
1:49 pm
“…And who is going to beat him?…”
Just too easy…any “generic” Republican.
@@
October 27th, 2011
1:53 pm
Rocks:
Since you appear interested in how I’ve spent my day…I’ve been coming up with methods whereby I can address preseveration in one of my students. It’s a challenge for sure, but one I love to engage.
If only I could apply my techniques to YOU and those like YOU.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
1:56 pm
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:45 pm
Having worked in both union and non-union environments, I can say that there are circumstances that being unionized was beneficial to both the company and the employer…..and in others, detrimental!
The primary reason for unions, however, is to PROTECT the worker from managerial largesse!! Not all work environments hace standardized work rules; not all work environments protect their workers; not all work environments — particularly in right-to-work states – have grievance pathways in employment disputes!!
For those companies that have problems, don’t you see that the ADVERSARIAL relationship that management creates with labor is part of the problem?? It needs to be more of a COOPERATIVE relationship!!
AS I said, American business paradigms need a collosal SHIFT!!
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:59 pm
HDB….yes employment needs to be a cooperative relationship however in most cases unions are not cooperative, they are bullies and thugs that use stone age ideaology to get their ways. Georgia is a right to work state. If you dont like the job, conditions or pay…you may want to start looking for another job, no one is making you work there. Also in Georgia if you are a slack employee the company should always have the right to let you go.
Now in most cases HR departments are able to make fair decisions based on the employee and the company. If they do not there is alwasys something called “a court of law”.
Billy Bane
October 27th, 2011
2:05 pm
“And who is going to beat him?”
Anyone with a pulse.
GT
October 27th, 2011
2:09 pm
Man how can you Republicans be so much against legalizing drugs with you stay on them all the time? McCain die today?
tscali
October 27th, 2011
2:09 pm
Would you want to work for a company that treats all workers exactly the same, no matter how hard they work? What about one that promotes only on the basis of seniority and not merit?
Few Americans want a job with an employer who ignores their individual efforts. Yet that’s what labor unions offer employees today. Small wonder membership is steadily declining.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
2:12 pm
GT….McCain die today? Did your mommy and daddy not teach you about class? Or do you now know who your daddy is? Poor soul!
@@
October 27th, 2011
2:18 pm
Gingrich fires back at Meghan McCain
And he does it with diplomacy.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 27th, 2011
2:19 pm
Not rich enough to be in the 1%, not ignorant enough to be in the so-called 99%. I’m a man without a percent.
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
2:27 pm
Jumping over to the new wingfield blog.
Truth is...
October 27th, 2011
2:34 pm
@GT
“..McCain die today?”
Thank God he didn’t ride with Ted Kennedy.
GT
October 27th, 2011
2:51 pm
Well did he? Got to admit get a little tongued myself, move over Perry, and just call me Governor.
Gm
October 27th, 2011
2:59 pm
Thanks Obama for issuing executive order to help our vets, students, home owners.
We know what party that does not care about middle class America, Kyle what bills have the rep party passed to help the America people?
GT
October 27th, 2011
3:01 pm
Gm it is their hope their is only two classes, a little like the old south. Having a black president just energized them.
HDB
October 27th, 2011
3:05 pm
UGA 1999
October 27th, 2011
1:59 pm
“HDB….yes employment needs to be a cooperative relationship however in most cases MANAGEMENT is not cooperative, they are bullies and thugs that use stone age ideaology to get their ways.” Fixed that statement!! It does go both ways!
“Georgia is a right to work state. If you dont like the job, conditions or pay…you may want to start looking for another job, no one is making you work there. Also in Georgia if you are a slack employee the company should always have the right to let you go.” Conditions MAKE someone work where he/she works…..based on this economic climate!! MONEY makes one work where he does! I know MANY people who hate where they work…but can’t afford to leave!!
“Now in most cases HR departments are able to make fair decisions based on the employee and the company. If they do not there is alwasys something called “a court of law”.” The preponderance of HR Departments will find FOR the company and against the employee….history has proven that to be a fact! If a case is taken to court, the employee has the burden of proof….guilty and must PROVE his innocence rather than the counter!! An independent arbiter — not paid for by the corporation – would be the best solution in this case. THAT’S why unions are needed….to minimize managerial largesse!!!
ITS ALL DEALS FAULT
October 27th, 2011
3:08 pm
Latest figures show Georgia is one of only seven states to lose jobs in 2011 and ranks 49th out of 50 states in job creation since [Gov. Nathan] Deal took office.
Gm
October 27th, 2011
3:27 pm
Good old hillbillies in Georgia run out year after year and vote these no job creating rep, in office, Johnny Isakson voted against the job bill, makng sure 33,000 jobs will not come to Georgia, but the idiots especially in south Georgia
run to the poll proudly.
What a bunch of Gomers in this state””
Truth is...
October 27th, 2011
4:16 pm
“What a bunch of Gomers in this state”
Delta is ready.
Truth is...
October 27th, 2011
4:29 pm
@gm
“Hillbillies…idiots…gomers…” When you aren’t smart enough to present facts, call names. Yep, be the good Liberal.
TruthBe
October 27th, 2011
4:34 pm
redneckbluedog
October 27th, 2011
1:39 pm
“Dead or wounded in Iraq and Afghanistant…..Over 33,000……Something else President Bush and Vice-President Cheney did that President Obama hasn’t……”
Where did you get these BS numbers???
TruthBe
October 27th, 2011
4:36 pm
Gm, Stop drinking the obamajuice. Obama and his socialist policies have failed and nobody believes him anymore.
Cris
October 27th, 2011
4:42 pm
Corporations create jobs based on needs. The fact is that automation and free trade have lead to a reduction in that need in the US. Why pay a union employee $20 an hour when you can get the same car made in Mexico and shipped into the US with no penalty (Thank You Bill Clinton – Signed NAFTA agreement in December 1993). Why pay $100K for an IT associate in the US when you can pay $7 an hour for someone with an MBA in India – just ask Jeffrey Immult (Obama’s Jobs Advisor who moved around 7% of GE’s total jobs offshore in a four year period). He knows how to create jobs in India!!! Did you know that most CEOs are registered Democrats? They like when you raise the tax rates because they pay around 0% due to tax loopholes. The only people who pay the top tax bracket are small business owners making over $250K which don’t have the resources to hire a floor of accountants to locate every tax break.
Bullet County
October 27th, 2011
8:31 pm
Kyle, are you still waiting on John Boehner to show us where the jobs are? Take a break from your non-sensical Obama-bashing and give us an opinion on something that matters.
the
October 28th, 2011
12:34 am
Do I have to reveal my proof that Kyle is a former Hitler youth advocate?
Really?
Honest?
the
October 28th, 2011
12:37 am
Kyle is supposed to be the replacement to the total racist dog named Jim Wooten who only exists to lament the fall of Slavery.
Kyle goes well beyond that. He not only laments, but he contrives new justifications for the Slavery that induced our ancestors into slaughtering one another over the rights of mankind.
Kyle is the enemy to all of us. How he has a job spreading hate is inexplicable unless you realize that this is the deep south, where the consequences of the civil war are still ignored.
the
October 28th, 2011
12:40 am
The most appaling part is that Kyle thinks that the reader doesn’t realize that he’s a throwback to the Jim Crow editorial monopoly of hate that existed until recently. It still lives, but only in the voice of haters like Kyle Wingfielf.
Fact.
jack.
know it. Live it. Believe it.
And vote against it.