Is laying the ‘intellectual foundation’ of OWS something one ought to brag about?

I got a chuckle when I saw this Associated Press story:

WASHINGTON — Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren is taking some credit for the Occupy Wall Street protests.

The Democrat and longtime consumer advocate says her work over the years against Wall Street abuses created much of the intellectual foundation for the demonstrators.

Because I immediately remembered reading this, from New York Magazine’s Daily Intel:

Over the past month, the crusaders at Zuccotti Park have braved the elements, tussled with police, and stood their ground against Mayor [Michael] Bloomberg. But how much do the protesters actually know about the economic system that they’re fighting to change? To find out, we asked 50 occupiers a series of questions about Wall Street, taxes, and government. The results were mixed.

To call the results “mixed” is to put it charitably. Here are some of the results:

  • Q: What is the Dodd-Frank Act? Most common answer: “Don’t know,” with 84 percent of the vote.
  • Q: What is the “S.E.C”? Most common answer: “Don’t know,” with 68 percent of the vote (though I smiled to see 4 percent, in New York, answer “The Southeastern Conference?”).
  • Q: What is the top marginal income tax rate for the richest 1 percent? An astonishing 30 percent actually thought it was “Zero to 10 percent,” and another 32 percent said “10 to 25 percent.” Add the 26 percent who admitted not knowing, and there’s a whole lot of ignorance among the Occupiers about the 1 percenters they so detest.
  • Q: What does the government spend more on? Health care and pensions, education, or the military? The answer by 94 percent of those polled: the military. Which, in fact, takes up less than half the spending that health care and pensions do.

The Occupiers were more knowledgeable about whether we’re experiencing inflation or deflation, and about whether President Obama controls the Federal Reserve (although just 38 percent knew that Ben Bernanke is the Fed’s chairman). But my favorite answer, given the aforementioned boasting by a certain Democratic candidate for the Senate from Massachusetts?

Q: Who is Elizabeth Warren?

Don’t Know: 64 percent

“Warren Buffett’s wife?”: 10 percent

“First female president/hero”: 2 percent

Warren will, I’m sure, be flattered to know that the rest of her alleged intellectual offspring actually recognized her name.

Suggested new name for Warren’s Army: “We are the 24 percent!”

– By Kyle Wingfield

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247 comments Add your comment

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
1:47 pm

Yep. Romney whispers in his smarmy way the message: “yeah, I’m with the union-busting thugs here”.

UGA 1999

October 26th, 2011
1:47 pm

Truth….see that is where you are wrong….they are all electable. That is why they all (except for Cain) are holding an office today,

Mark T

October 26th, 2011
1:47 pm

GT

October 26th, 2011
7:44 am

One thing about the Occupy people, they are not against free enterprise. It is the bailing out of the corporate and bank failures while the rest of America suffers that is the theme here.

Wrong!…while that may be the centralized theme of the protest I can show you 5 video clips right now of these idiots saying capitalism is evil…etc, etc….The vast majority of these morons are marxist, socialist, and communist. If you remember correctly, the Tea Party protested bank bailouts, corp bailouts etc. except, they were protesting the right people…GOVT…and doing it peacefully I might add

Mark T

October 26th, 2011
1:53 pm

JF McNamara

October 26th, 2011
8:32 am
Jimmy62 and Bob,

My comment was basically pointing out Kyle’s hypocrisy. The treatment of the Tea Partyers was no different. I remember watching CNN reporting on the racism at the rallies and the outrage from that.

I believe that was wrong to stereotype the Tea Partyers. I also believe its wrong to Stereotype the OWS people

How many arrest and acts of vilolence were there at the Tea Party rallies again and how many have there been with the OWS people..there is no sterotyoe there, just facts

Obozonomics

October 26th, 2011
1:54 pm

DebrainAthens;
Man you libs really need to get an education, Obozo got more banker and Wall Street money than any previous candidate, so tell me again who Wall Street owns….It seems that YOU are ill informed.

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
1:54 pm

Mark T: “these idiots saying capitalism is evil…etc, etc….The vast majority of these morons are marxist, socialist, and communist. If you remember correctly, the Tea Party protested bank bailouts, corp bailouts etc. except, they were protesting the right people…GOVT…and doing it peacefully I might add”

Tea Party people WRONGLY attributed blame to excessive government spending, thus giving aid and comfort to those who perpetrate violence with their economic policies, expropriating the futures of the people to preserve the financial privileges of the wealth class.

That Black guy

October 26th, 2011
1:54 pm

Filter
October 26th, 2011
1:41 pm
“I dare say that in the early Tea Party rallies (before the astroturf) there was the same lack of focus and inability to go any further than “I know there is something wrong here, even if I’m not able to put it into words.”

Filter, it is dishonest to compare the “occupiers” with the tea partiers in this way. They stated what was wrong in their very name, TEA party (Taxed Enough Already). From the outset they made it clear they were against the TARP and Bailouts that would have to be paid for by increased taxes.

Filter

October 26th, 2011
2:00 pm

The early focus of the Tea Party was fuzzy at best.

It’s OK if you want to rewrite history but don’t expect to be seen as credible when you do it.

Mark T

October 26th, 2011
2:00 pm

getalife

October 26th, 2011
1:17 pm
The super corrupt congress has a plan.

The 1% have the cons, corporate media and most of corrupt congress fighting for them.

And how much money has obama raised already from these greedy corp.?

Dusty

October 26th, 2011
2:01 pm

Filter,

Do you think this if the first time in American history that we have had difficult economic times? Of course it isn’t.

But we went to work instead of campouts and kooks to pull out of it. And our hardtimes hardly equal those such as the countries of Arab Spring.

We are blessed with freedom and those who do not appreciate it are turning against it. Rich people have just as many rights as anyone else. Large companies have been the business life blood of this country. They are not responsible for the downturn of our country’s finances.

When the far left liberals get through ruining the companies that keep America going, we will be in terrible shape. Seems that is what they want to do. They wish to run our country as they are trying to do now with no success. We cannot continue to run a country overwhelmed with debt. That is something liberals do NOT understand.

Mark T

October 26th, 2011
2:07 pm

Welcome to the occupation

You keep banging on bongo drums thinking thats gonna change things and ill keep voting

Tom(Independent)

October 26th, 2011
2:19 pm

Guess how many of those 52 Occupy ATL protesters will show up in March for their day in court. They were all given signature bonds(even though some can not write) by that liberal Democratic Muncipal Court Judge. My guess is about 2 or 3 of them. A good number of them will be arrested again before March 2012! The judge probably should have just given all 52 “Time-Out”, it would have accomplished more. Signed Retired Military/Law Enforcement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What

October 26th, 2011
2:25 pm

To me OWS means get money out of politics. Rich is fine, we would all like to be rich (in our own way), but just because you are rich doesn’t mean you should be able to get special treatment from the government.

I am not sure why this is even debatable?

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
2:28 pm

Obama is a one term president.

Deal with it libs.

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
2:29 pm

Mark T: “You keep banging on bongo drums thinking thats gonna change things and ill keep voting”

You keep voting and I’ll keep supporting movements that result in things like this:

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/College-Students-Join-Occupy-Philly-March–132317078.html

Voting is great for incremental gains. Uprising and social protest changes the conversation itself.

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
2:33 pm

Obozonomics: “Man you libs really need to get an education, Obozo got more banker and Wall Street money than any previous candidate, so tell me again who Wall Street owns….It seems that YOU are ill informed.”

Billy the Bane: “Obama is a one term president. / Deal with it libs.”

Obviously you people haven’t fit into your mental architecture yet the fact that this movement is not about Obama. Frankly from the standpoint of the protesters it doesn’t really make a whole lot of difference WHO gets elected next year. Sure Obama may be incrementally better than the GOP. But we’re tired of increments. We want renewal.

Doug B

October 26th, 2011
2:36 pm

Since when did Social Security qualify as a pension?

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
2:37 pm

This movement is light years away from being merely a cheerleader for Barack Obama, believe me.

Filter

October 26th, 2011
2:38 pm

Dusty,

No this is not the first time we have had hard economic times. But the hard economic times are not across the spectrum as was the case in the past which is what has driven these people to the streets. Their belief is that the system is gamed and books like “Retirement Heist” by Ellen Schultz seem to bear that out.

As for your statements about how liberals are running the country, in the immortal words of Inigo Montoya “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” Check your facts.

Obozonomics

October 26th, 2011
2:40 pm

I wonder how many at the Tea Party rallies where getting paid, i bet none, but what about OWS crowd?
“Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day – to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.”

Filter

October 26th, 2011
2:48 pm

And the beat goes on. “Sources” is a smart guy. Too bad “Sources” is all there is.

Keep dismissing and belittling but methinks you are on the wrong side of this one. If I’m wrong then good for you, but if I’m right you’ll regret dismissing them out of hand. Kind of the same way the Democrats regretted dismissing the TP in 2010.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

October 26th, 2011
3:00 pm

So the OWS losers are going to “shake corporations to their foundations”, eh? So how exactly does this manifest itself in terms of the law? And will there be any eeeeeevil corporations sticking around for the losers to punish?

Keep up the business bashing, losers. It’s worked out so well already.

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
3:00 pm

And in a strange kind of way, Occupy Wall Street made me think more fondly of the Tea Party as well.” – Andrew Sullivan

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/10/23/how-i-learned-to-love-the-goddamned-hippies.html

Filter

October 26th, 2011
3:12 pm

LBB,

Thanks for quoting me but I stopped trying to discuss anything with you a long time ago.

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:14 pm

“Obviously you people haven’t fit into your mental architecture yet the fact that this movement is not about Obama.”

Nah, moveon orchestrated it…nothing to do with Obama. Nah, nothing.

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:15 pm

“Kind of the same way the Democrats regretted dismissing the TP in 2010.”

The Tea Party had candidates and wiped the Dems out of the House. Next up, the Senate and White House.

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:15 pm

Welcome to the occupation

Daily Beast is crap.

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:16 pm

“This movement is light years away from being merely a cheerleader for Barack Obama, believe me.”

It’s also an anti-Jew movement.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

October 26th, 2011
3:17 pm

Why are the OWS protests so beset with robberies, sexual assaults, and drug crimes, and why are we supposed to care what these gatherings of human debris think of the productive class?

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:23 pm

“Why are the OWS protests so beset with robberies, sexual assaults, and drug crimes”

Because the Democrat party is made up of criminals.

Junior Samples

October 26th, 2011
3:23 pm

Hi Kyle,

Elizabeth Warren is stating that her work has brought to light what’s happening within Wall Street, therefore laying the “intellectual foundation” for OWS.

Whether or not the protestors paid attention is a different subject altogether. Sure, it’s entertaining to poke fun at the other side when they congregate en masse. We certainly had fun with Tea Party protestors who didn’t know this or that about the founding fathers, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc…

I think we can agree there are loons on both sides.
And that’s certainly entertaining.

Chance Laruffe

October 26th, 2011
3:33 pm

As for those in the World Trade Center… Well, really, let’s get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America’s global financial empire – the “mighty engine of profit” to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved – and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to “ignorance” – a derivative, after all, of the word “ignore” – counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in – and in many cases excelling at – it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants. If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I’d really be interested in hearing about it.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

October 26th, 2011
3:39 pm

Those in the WTC “formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America’s global financial empire”
———-

I doubt the janitors, waiters, dishwashers, security guards, secretaries, and accounts receivable clerks considered themselves part of the technocratic corps of Americans that you so loathe. A$$hole.

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
3:42 pm

Billy the Bane: “It’s also an anti-Jew movement.”

A little worried, aren’t you?

Keep grasping at straws there, as your intellectual lieutenants like Bill Kristol set the marching orders for you to follow. You can try to smear the OWS movement as anti-semitic, but you’re going to fail.

It’s cuz you got nothin where it counts.

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:43 pm

“A little worried, aren’t you?”

No

“Keep grasping at straws there, as your intellectual lieutenants like Bill Kristol set the marching orders for you to follow. You can try to smear the OWS movement as anti-semitic, but you’re going to fail.”

Uh huh, just like we “failed” in 2010.

“It’s cuz you got nothin where it counts.”

It truly sucks to be you.

redneckbluedog

October 26th, 2011
3:44 pm

WE DON’T NEED NO DERNED COLLEGE, BY GOOT….WE GOT GUNS, BY GOOT….and spit….

WE’LL SPIT ON CONGRESSMEN UNTIL THEY DEFAULT THE FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE US GOVERNMENT…!!!!!

ND

October 26th, 2011
3:46 pm

While the Occupy supporters are for the most part uninformed, it is amusing to say the least to see Tea Partiers criticize others for their ignorance. You really think most Tea Partiers wouldn’t say the SEC stands for Southeastern Conference? Come on now.

Chance Laruffe

October 26th, 2011
3:47 pm

Any word on whether Deal got to see the birth certificate?

Filter

October 26th, 2011
3:48 pm

Billy Bane
October 26th, 2011
3:23 pm

“Why are the OWS protests so beset with robberies, sexual assaults, and drug crimes”

Because the Democrat party is made up of criminals.

And Billy Bane goes on the mental midget ignore list. When you grow up and realize that those who don’t share your political viewpoint are Americans too with convictions as firmly held as they are different than your own then you can join the adults at the big table where the fun discussions happen. Until then I’ll not address you or read your posts.

Not that you care nor should you really.

Chance Laruffe

October 26th, 2011
3:48 pm

Teatards can’t read.

Chance Laruffe

October 26th, 2011
3:51 pm

The FBI would not have arrested the Goldman Sachs chairman today if it were not for the efforts of the OWS’ers.
But Teatards are important, too. They can save the world with their misspelled signs and personal attacks on racial minorities. They are doing their best to turn back time until America is a third world country.

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:53 pm

“And Billy Bane goes on the mental midget ignore list. When you grow up and realize that those who don’t share your political viewpoint are Americans too with convictions as firmly held as they are different than your own then you can join the adults at the big table where the fun discussions happen. Until then I’ll not address you or read your posts.”

What time will the library finally kick you off their computer?

Junior Samples

October 26th, 2011
3:53 pm

Laruffe,

Even I find your earlier post off-base. By your own logic, you’re not innocent either. Your taxes are funding the “the “mighty engine of profit” to which the military dimension of U.S. policy…”

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:54 pm

“Teatards can’t read.”

What profound intellectual grammar you possess, bigot.

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
3:54 pm

When the brass up in the higher ranks of the Republican establishment start pulling out the big guns – e.g. the antisemitism claim — that’s how you know they’re really worried.

They’re absolutely frantic to find something to pin on the OWS movements.

Where were Mr. Kristol and Gingrich back when Glenn Beck was attacking George Soros using Nazi-like metaphors of “puppet masters” and “pulling strings”?

So for them to now try to drag this claim is pathetic. They’re frantic to find something to smear this uprising.

And it shows.

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:54 pm

“While the Occupy supporters are for the most part uninformed, it is amusing to say the least to see Tea Partiers criticize others for their ignorance.”

You sound scared.

Billy Bane

October 26th, 2011
3:55 pm

“So for them to now try to drag this claim is pathetic. They’re frantic to find something to smear this uprising.”

You sound scared as well.

professional skeptic

October 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

Kyle, that was the most childish entry I believe you’ve ever posted. “Oooh look at meeee, well-educated elitist journalist poking fun at Americans’ ignorance! Tee-hee!”

Tell your TEApublican friends to keep on slashing education budgets, Kyle… just think of how many more ignoramuses you’ll have to ridicule! Tee-hee!

Know your history

October 26th, 2011
4:19 pm

Tea-party activists: Just as ignorant as you thought

Former Bush speechwriter David Frum enlisted some interns this week to survey Tea Party activists protesting in D.C. earlier this week. The goal was to get a sense of the activists’ understanding of taxes — ostensibly, the “movement’s” raison d’être — and factual knowledge.

Bruce Bartlett reported today on the survey’s results, and found that for an anti-tax group, “they don’t know much about taxes.”

Indeed, it appears much of the Tea Party crowd is simply clueless about the issues they claim to care the most about, wildly exaggerating federal tax rates, how much a median family pays in taxes, and what’s changed since President Obama took office.

In short, no matter how one slices the data, the Tea Party crowd appears to believe that federal taxes are very considerably higher than they actually are, whether referring to total taxes as a share of GDP or in terms of the taxes paid by a typical family.

Tea Partyers also seem to have a very distorted view of the direction of federal taxes. They were asked whether they are higher, lower or the same as when Barack Obama was inaugurated last year. More than two-thirds thought that taxes are higher today, and only 4% thought they were lower; the rest said they are the same.

As noted earlier, federal taxes are very considerably lower by every measure since Obama became president…. No taxpayer anywhere in the country had his or her taxes increased as a consequence of Obama’s policies.

Read more here:
http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/tea-party-activists-just-as-ignorant-as-you-thought/

Welcome to the occupation

October 26th, 2011
4:19 pm

You sound scared as well.

Maybe. Then again, maybe not.