Tuesday night’s GOP debate: Everyone tries to hold steady, but did Newt just make a move?
Tuesday night’s debate was the last one until mid-November, and that’s a good thing. After last night, the candidates may well need a cooling-off period from one another.
Reagan’s 11th Commandment — never speak ill of a fellow Republican — was broken early and often. The candidates went after Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax-reform plan right off the bat, and it was at best a draw for the Georgian. He really does receive some unfair attacks when his reform plans are conflated with state taxes: His answer that the state taxes (particularly sales taxes) will exist regardless is true, and no one would argue that leaving income taxes higher than 9 percent is somehow unfair for those states that have income taxes.
On the other hand, his defense against charges that the plan is regressive isn’t working. He can’t simply say “not true” about the analyses that conclude it would lead to higher taxes for lower- and middle-income families, and expect people to believe him. More broadly, he struggled yet again with questions about foreign policy, seeming to say he wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists — except in those cases when he would. He has a month to bone up on such questions before the next debate, which will be focused on foreign policy.
Mitt Romney took his turn in the dunk tank next, and it was his own fault: He answered a question about jobs and the economy by mentioning his pledge to repeal Obamacare. Rick Santorum brought up Romneycare and said the former Massachusetts governor had no credibility on the issue, and the splashing began. It was the first time during these debates that Romney has seemed flustered — although that was nothing compared to what came next, when Rick Perry accused him of having employed illegal immigrants. Perry and Romney spent what must have been nearly a minute trying to shout down each other.
Perry was roundly booed by the crowd, which on several occasions seemed to be quite pro-Romney, but he made his most respectable showing in any of the debates so far. He didn’t appear tired and wasn’t tongue-tied. He won’t regain all the ground he’s lost in the past month, but his slide should halt for a while.
On the flip side, Cain’s rise may plateau for at least a few weeks. It wasn’t a bad showing by him, but nor was it as good as the last couple of debates,after which he began climbing quickly in the polls. He has to take his 9-9-9 explanation to another level, and he has to prove he can speak authoritatively about topics other than taxes, jobs and the economy. Given his penchant for making controversial statements, any national headlines he makes between now and the next debate could just as easily be negative as positive.
If Cain were to stumble, the candidate best positioned to take advantage after Tuesday night might be Newt Gingrich. The former speaker seemed to be hitting cleanup all night, taking his turn after a few other candidates had gotten to swing. He didn’t miss much, if at all. And he only took a couple of swipes at the moderator(s) and media in general, fewer than usual.
After months of troubles, there is a chance that Gingrich could allow the other candidates to bloody each other and then be the kind of elder party statesman who waltzes in and unites the sparring factions. It’s still a very slim chance, but that’s more than he had until recently.
Santorum negated his often good statements by, just as often, coming across as petty.
Ron Paul gave the kind of answers we’ve come to expect from him, and they will continue to earn him a certain amount of support, but he is not going to be the nominee (although his son, Rand, may stand a decent chance one day due in large part to the elder Paul’s efforts).
Michele Bachmann made a blatant attempt to pull female voters with an answer about mothers and foreclosed homes, and she generally brought the conversation back to President Obama — in a way that made me think she is seriously angling to be the running mate for the eventual nominee. Most memorably, she let Romney off the hook about Obamacare by arguing that the federal health reform is destined to be thrown out either as a whole or one piece at a time. Romney/Bachmann 2012? (Only if Marco Rubio turns it down.)
The next month will be a critical time. Candidates who are short on money will find out whether they can squeeze enough cash out of their supporters to make it to 2012. They will find out whether their messages are resonating in the early primary and caucus states, or whether they’re too far back too late in the game to make a surge. They will face ever greater scrutiny of the plans they lay out (Perry said Tuesday that he’ll have a new economic plan by week’s end).
The race is about to tighten in a meaningful way.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Jay
October 19th, 2011
5:31 am
The only moves Newt has been making this election have involved stealing Ron Paul’s ideas.
No one believes Newt will be any more faithful in implementing those ideas than he has been to his wives.
Rona Paul is the most credible, capable candidate in the race.
Juan
October 19th, 2011
5:56 am
Hey Kyle Wingfield, thanks for looking into your magical crystal ball to tell us the future that Ron Paul “is not going to be the nominee”….
…I’m glad to have the media around to tell me what to think, otherwise I might actually waste time campaigning for Paul.
But seriously, if you think Newt has a better chance than Ron Paul, I can’t even take the other stuff you say seriously.
ColinCb
October 19th, 2011
5:57 am
Gingrich is unelectable according to most of the right-wing blogs I was reading after this debate though there was a lot of respect for him and his performance. Something about his past that people seem to think dooms his chances in a general election.
Karl Marx
October 19th, 2011
6:35 am
Why is Ron (Pork) Paul even running. He should be running as a Libertarian not a Republican. No matter how you add it up he is a 3% candidate which is the same as all Libertarian party candidates are.
jt
October 19th, 2011
6:51 am
“, but he is not going to be the nominee ”
.
Au contraire…Ron Paul will be MY nominee, regardless of who a bunch of frightened naive statists elect.
DeborahinAthens
October 19th, 2011
7:06 am
How could you even consider Newt as a candidate? He is a horror of a human being. What a hypocrite! Preaches family values and cheats on his wife. Preaches fiscal conservatism and is in hock for 1.1 million that he can’t pay because his plastic Barbie of a wife wants to live beyond her means. Can you really see Mrs. Newt as the first lady of this country? I have a theory that she has no brain, but is a very sophisticated blowup doll.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
7:13 am
Deb, stop trying to impose your values on the rest of us.
With the condition the U.S. is in, we need someone smarter and with better ideas than the do-nothing loser we have now. Newt is superior to Obozo intellectually and on policy.
Skip
October 19th, 2011
7:31 am
Another turd floats to the top.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
7:33 am
I was surprised at the amount and levels of boos coming from the crowd towards Perry. Not that he didn’t deserve them, but that a GOP crowd thought he deserved them.
Clearly, the location helped Romney with the friendlier crowd, and once again, he came up the winner overall. Kyle’s right in that Cain has to do a better job of dismissing criticism of the 9-9-9 plan, and shame on the rest of the field for going after it, given their own lack of meaningful reform ideas. Gingrich may move up into low double digits in the polls as others falter, but the rest of the country still sees him (rightfully) as unelectable in the general election. Santorum was busy whoring himself (sorry, but there’s no other term to describe it) to the social conservative crowd, and that’s all he’ll get to vote for him (which will finally put to rest the lie that you have to appeal to that small minority to get the GOP nomination – hopefully forever). Bachmann and Paul are quickly fading into obscurity. I was Paul’s worst debate format thus far, in fact.
In short, minor uptick in Romney’s numbers over the next few days, another drop for Perry’s, but no real changes in Cain’s. Romney and Cain will continue to go back and forth in the top spot for the next few weeks.
ragnar danneskjold
October 19th, 2011
7:36 am
Good morning all, as is my custom I skipped the exchange of bumper sticker aphorisms last night. Hope you all saw the essay in today’s WSJ, by the greatest economist residing in Tennessee, Arthur Laffer, explaining why my guy Herman is on the right track with 9-9-9.
rwcole
October 19th, 2011
8:28 am
Hilarious. Little Barry wants someone to stop imposing their values on everyone else. Want to bet he didn’t feel the same way when Clinton was in office??
carlosgvv
October 19th, 2011
8:38 am
These debates continue to show that none of these people is actually qualified to be President. Obama is no bargain either. So, as usual, our choices in the coming election will be bad and worse. I’m amazed the American people have yet to really demand a viable third party.
Kay Ebeling
October 19th, 2011
8:39 am
I think Ron Paul won the debate last night and it’s amazing how the media ignores him: The audience applauded and shouted a couple times supporting Paul, he says it like it is and I really liked him on health care: Get rid of the third party and let people deal directly with a doctor, wow, what a concept, eliminate a gazillion dollars of detoured cash in health care and start taking care of sick people, without a government running the program.
Even Anderson Cooper allowed Paul to go on and on, speak extemporaneously for long periods of time, as that is what Paul does well. I want Obama to have another term, so will not vote for any of these guys debating, but I DO listen to Ron Paul and believe he has the most insight of any of them.
And Al Sharpton has it right, these debates are like a reality show, and part of the process should be booting one off the island after every episode.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
8:40 am
Who’s your dream candidate, carlosgvv?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
8:42 am
Kay supports Obozo, but wants the government out of health care.
Amazing.
MrLiberty
October 19th, 2011
8:43 am
ragnar danneskjold – Hard to give any kudos to an economist whose greatest accomplishment was coming up with a way to MAXIMIZE government revenue through appropriate application of taxes. Personally I would rather support a great candidate like Ron Paul and the superior economists behind him at the Ludwig von Mises Institute who are proposing ways to minimize government taking, minimize government spending, and increase personal freedom and liberty. Ron Paul 2012.
carlosgvv
October 19th, 2011
8:54 am
Barry – 8:40
I have two dream candidates – Colin Powell and Sam Nunn. You?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
8:59 am
carlosgvv…I guess it would have to be Mitch Daniels.
I do like about 80% of Ron Paul, but I’m not comfortable with his approach to foreign policy and the war on terror. Now if we could combine Paul’s domestic policy with Powell’s foreign policy…
Aquagirl
October 19th, 2011
9:00 am
but did Newt just make a move?
Guess he spotted a hottie potential 4th wife in the audience.
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
9:16 am
So which will Newt accomplish first, pull the nation out of debt or his own campaign???
I’m guessing neither.
Dumb and Dumber
October 19th, 2011
9:20 am
“but did Newt just make a move?”
Yes, its called peristalsis.
jconservative
October 19th, 2011
9:39 am
Perry is the last man in the US to criticize anyone on immigration.
If apples and oranges is the best Cain can do on defending his economic policy, well good luck on his book tour.
Newt has more personal baggage than any candidate in decades. And I am not talking about the Tiffany’s stuff.
Santorum does not really exist.
Bachmann made it through the night without looking like a fool. A first! Well, on second thought, maybe she didn’t.
Romney is still wearing the albatross of “the liberal Republican Governor of Massachusetts”. But he keeps picking up endorsements from members of congress and state governors. Can we say that Romney is on the “slow track” for the nomination?
Paul is not really running for president; he is pushing his ideology of small government. I find him refreshing. And I love the idea of small government. But we are saddled with two parties in love with Big Government and I see no change in sight.
The next President will be a lover of Big Government just like the last 13 presidents.
But the question on the table remains, who can carry the Independents in the 8 to 10 swing states?
SBinF
October 19th, 2011
9:52 am
The biggest winner in last night’s debate? Obama!
I’m not sure why these folks are debating so much. The way I see it, the more the public sees them, the less they like any of them. For goodness sake, booing gay soldiers, booing a hypothetical comatose person who’s about to die, booing the unemployed, these debates aren’t helping the GOP field at all. It’s almost as if a Democrat plant has planned all this out.
Kay Ebeling
October 19th, 2011
9:57 am
Barry Bailout, it’s called listening to all sides and having an open mind, that’s how an Obama supporter can like Ron Paul.
I think he’s too corporate now, but Obama deserves a second term with a Democratic House so he can get something accomplished. Repubs have shown they like ideology more than problem solving and have prevented Obama from carrying out any real work.
I want Single Payer healthcare, which eliminates third parties and Ron Paul wants to eliminate third parties from health care.
If you pay attention and listen to everything, you discover nothing is black and white and nothing else.
joe
October 19th, 2011
9:58 am
Paul does have good ideas, like cutting all those useless departments, stopping foreign aid, bankrolling the UN and cutting defense by 10%, but some of his stances, like foreign policy, just won’t afford him a real shot. At best, some of the others who stand to good chance of knocking off Obama, should incorporate some of his edicts.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
10:11 am
Kay, believe me, I do pay attention. For example, I pay sufficient attention to know that Ron Paul most definitely does not believe in single payer, as you seem to think.
Just amazing.
Obama did have a Democrat congress, complete with filibuster-proof Senate. Tell us what he accomplished, other than Obamacare, which you clearly oppose. 9% unemployment? $1.5 trillion annual deficits? Record numbers of Americans on welfare? Not much in the way of accomplishments.
ragnar danneskjold
October 19th, 2011
10:22 am
Good morning, Mr. Liberty @ 8:43. “Hard to give any kudos to an economist..” A conservative or libertarian does not care about “who” says something, but does care about the idea communicated. Your post suggests you did not read Laffer’s analysis in the WSJ, otherwise you would be talking about 9-9-9 rather than Mr. Laffer. Throw off your shackles of cultism, and start learning again.
Rubes never get it
October 19th, 2011
10:34 am
Gee, I don’t know if Newt made a move, but then I did not bother to watch. Were there any young blonde interns around?
Rafe Hollister
October 19th, 2011
10:55 am
Kay, how can anyone actually like Ron Paul and pull for Oblamer to get reelected. Seriously bi-polar, Ron Paul is the antithesis (polar opposite) of Oblamer. You are saying you are for small government but want a big government liberal to win.
I started out excited when Perry got in the race. Now, I hope he is the first one to leave. He is the most bitter back biting charlaton on stage. With his stand on illegal immigration he has no chance other than to bloody all his opponents. He is doing severe damage and should get out of the race.
Herman needs to get with some financial experts and refine his 9-9-9 plan or learn to better explain it. The media elite will never do the work to learn the complexities, he needs to learn to answer their arguments with simple sound bites.
redneckbluedog
October 19th, 2011
10:56 am
Who moved up..!?!? Who move down…!?!?!? Who cares…!?!?! Keep up the good work, squidbillies..:-)….This is the most fun I’ve had since they cancelled Jed, Jethro, and Gomer Pyle, USMC….:-)…..and please bring back some of those old “Clinton era” Tparty folks…Bob Barr, Bill McCollum, etc…..:-)…….
@@
October 19th, 2011
11:00 am
He has to take his 9-9-9 explanation to another level, and he has to prove he can speak authoritatively about topics other than taxes, jobs and the economy.
Right now, there’s nothing more important to Americans.
Cain is being encouraged to present his 9-9-9 as a payroll tax. It’s not that his plan (as it stands) is without merit. It’s that people aren’t getting it.
Dick Morris does a pretty good job of breaking it down. He admits it will impact lower-income families when it comes to essentials. Not a problem. Remove the tax on groceries for those who qualify. Prohibit increasing the tax on utilities and such.
One commenter over at dickmorris.com sees it the way I do.
Even if congress decided to raise the taxes, it would be completely transparent. Without deductions, credits, blah blah blah, the tax code can’t be used to control behavior of people and businesses. That’s another enormous benefit. It’s an incredible transfer of power from the government to the people.
And, another?
It would take away their principle source of income/campaign funding from lobbyists.
@@
October 19th, 2011
11:25 am
“Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride — and loyalty,” Joyner wrote on his BlackAmericaWeb.com blog. “We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.”–Tom Joyner
Were I black, I’d find ^^^ that HIGHLY insulting. It’s what Bush called, “the soft bigotry of low expectations.”
But the focus on sticking together has prompted criticism from some who call it an overly simplistic view that shuts off dialogue about Obama’s achievements and his failures.
“It truncates vibrant conversation in the black community,” said Eddie Glaude Jr., a professor of religion and African American studies at Princeton University. “What I hear them saying is, ‘Black folk need to get in lock step because we don’t want Republicans to take the White House.’ There is a kind of disciplining of the black polity that doesn’t lend itself to a vibrant and detailed consideration about political issues.”
Heaven forbid they should allow a black conservative to lead them out of the dem’s “promised land.”
schnirt
Tom
October 19th, 2011
11:28 am
The best moment of the evening was when Bachmann noted that first Obama went into Libya and now he’s ALSO getting us involved in Africa.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
11:30 am
From a recent ABC interview with Obozo:
Tapper: Just to change the subject from the economy, the “Fast and Furious” controversy. Aside from some of the more wild charges out there, this is a big scandal. The Justice Department, the ATF was moving guns and some of them were tied to crime scenes. what was your response when you first heard about it?
Obama: Well I heard about it from the news reports. This is not something we were aware of in the White House and the Attorney General it turns out wasn’t aware of either.
——————-
So there were some murders, an investigation was done by the Mexican government, and it was the media that figured out the guns were walked across the border by the Obama administration? How does that happen?
Obozo is a liar.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
11:32 am
You gotta love the numbskulls in the media and on both sides disparaging Cain’s 9-9-9 plans with the question, “What happens if Congress increases the (sales portion of the) tax?”
Well, what happens if Congress increases ANY tax? As if magically they’d increase a sales tax over an income tax.
GT
October 19th, 2011
11:43 am
I actually notice Rick Santorum for the first time. He had to carry the fight to the others to get noticed and I liked his energy. I thought Cooper did a horrible job as the moderator, losing control, sometimes on purpose hoping for a Jerry Springer moment. He tried randomly, after several minutes of free fall to regain the reins, from Perry, who I am sure he thought was the weakest debater on stage. Perry shot back at him, “your job is to ask the questions and I can answer them anyway I want to.” The first sign of a take charge kind of guy I have seen from him.
Newt really did look like the peacemaker and he said at the end this will not get the Republican Party into the Whitehouse. Somehow the guy in the shadows on these things comes out looking like the winner every time. The real winner was O. The world is getting a little taste how sausage is made in Washington. I think Bush told Obama on his tour of the Whitehouse after winning the election, “your enemies are not all outside your own party, beware.” The public which is larger than the Republican Party will not like this kind of show, progress was made last night only not for Republicans. Huntsman may be a genius.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
11:47 am
The show Americans might like to see would be Newt debating Obozo. Americans are ready to dump their loser pResident and watching Newt destroy him would be quite entertaining.
HDB
October 19th, 2011
11:48 am
@@
October 19th, 2011
11:25 am
“Heaven forbid they should allow a black conservative to lead them out of the dem’s “promised land.”
The problem that black conservatives have can be summed up here:
http://www.blackcommentator.com/154/154_thindwa_black_conservatives.html
Black conservatives have to quit being parrots….and have a better tone of voice! I’ll listen more to Colin Powell than I would Herman Cain!!
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
11:50 am
I went to a local restaraunt that had a dedicated room that showed the debate. Almost movie like. It was great there was cheering and clapping throughout the debate. There were actually a few Democrats in the room that agreed that Obama will not get reelected.
@@
October 19th, 2011
11:52 am
GT:
Let me remind you that some of the most fierce campaign battles were between Obama and Hillary. Then, Obama was untested…he could afford to portray himself as “above it all.” His history in Chicago’s corrupt political machine should’ve indicated he wasn’t. The entrenched media ignored his history. Likewise, his first term has proven him, not only corrupt, but incompetent (enough) “to boot”.
@@
October 19th, 2011
11:56 am
HDB:
Collin Powell lost my respect when he whined after the fact (U.N. testimony).
He made it obvious that he can be pushed to go against his better judgment, and then whined as though it was someone elses fault.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
12:01 pm
Bottom-line, last night’s debate means little to the primary or general elections. I still believe that the GOP will have a brokered convention (no clear winner beforehand) and that Romney will eventually win the nomination but somebody, probably Cain, is going to keep it close all the way through. Romney will attract enough moderates who will vote in GOP primaries to offset the social conservatives and Tea Partiers from getting a clear win.
In the general, he gets the moderates that a traditional conservative usually won’t attract, and likely wins in November.
@@
October 19th, 2011
12:02 pm
And HDB:
I read your link. Don’t try to sell me on the “harsh words” garbage. The left wants to hold everyone but themselves to political correctness.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 19th, 2011
12:04 pm
Newt was great but he sat on a park bench with Nasty Pelosi, just sayin…
And as far as Cain and 9-9-9 goes, read the Opinion Journal today, specifically Art Laffer’s column.
And from now on please address Herman as President Cain, yo.
@@
October 19th, 2011
12:07 pm
Andy:
Newt may have sat on that bench, but he didn’t mention how he would address global warming. Did he ever endorse Cap & Tax?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 19th, 2011
12:08 pm
In historic visit, Clinton says U.S. wouldn’t mind seeing Gadhafi killed (if we ever, ever find him, just sayin…). Secretary vows more aid amid fight for freedom.
TRIPOLI, Libya — In a historic visit punctuated by celebratory gunfire and cries of “God is great,” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton pledged Tuesday to continue U.S. support of a government struggling to consolidate control over the war-ravaged country.
Aaaahh yes, allah akbar indeed.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 19th, 2011
12:11 pm
@@- That’s the scary part, what’s he got on his mind?
GT
October 19th, 2011
12:16 pm
UGA 1999 they cheered Hitler on cold drunk night in Berlin, too. Somehow you drink where you feel comfortable. Maybe the fear of passing out with a bunch of progressive voters does not appeal to your sense of safety.
So old Dumpy G is going to tear the head off of O. Many a baseball player has come from the minors; many a high school recruit looked all American till they got on the big stage. They actually let real normal people into the presidential debates that measure response by intelligent answers and not approval of a hang em high crowd pleaser that ended up being a one night stand. PeeWee Herman would do well on that stage last night and obviously we don’t worry about Republican’s private lives with Newt so why not.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
12:18 pm
Gotta love Bookman over at the Children’s Table trying to debunk the 9-9-9 plan using a liberal think tank’s analysis which deliberately leaves out two majors points in the plan; the reduction in the cost of goods with the lower corporate tax and the percentage of net new sales vs. resales (one is taxed and the other is not).
Typical liberal argument. Don’t argue the merits if they don’t fit your conclusions – change or omit the acts.
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
12:18 pm
GT…hmmm so you are comparing people watching the debate to Hitler? HAHA that is hiliarious, just shows your extremisms. Nice job. You continue to prove our case.
Rafe Hollister
October 19th, 2011
12:19 pm
Tiberius, it is not just the “moderates” that will jump over and vote for Romney, all the Democrats will as well. Why would they want to vote in the Dem primary when there is no choice but Oblamer for Pres. New Hampshire has no registration requirements and like GA you can choose how you vote on election day.
The Dems voted McCain last time, which hurt Romney, this time they all will vote for him. Someone like Cain scares the heck out of those on the public dole and those wanting more government.
@@
October 19th, 2011
12:25 pm
Andy:
@@- That’s the scary part, what’s he got on his
mind?
Dunno.
Consider this…Newt’s ego is so huge that the legacy he leaves behind will be all he’s got left. He’s a history buff…wants to go down as a great leader.
He did support SO2 C&T.
He was asked a question one time about a system which imposed caps and allowed trading of excess credits and said that it “could” be a part of the solution IF it was done the way they did the SO2 cap and trade when he was speaker, which was very small, only covered the top 640 pollutors and phazed itself out once the goals had been met by industry coming up with thier own solutions and running the trading system themselves.
Steve
October 19th, 2011
12:30 pm
Here’s a reality check – the clowns in the GOP lineup aren’t going to cut it, and America doesn’t want to vote in the same prop up the rich policies that got us into the mess we’re digging out of now. Obama will beat Romney. Clearly. And if Dems get back Congress (thanks to the ineptitude of the Tea Party), Obama just might have the chance to push things through Congress for once. Conservadems like Ben Nelson are going to be booted.
GT
October 19th, 2011
12:31 pm
I just saying in a drinking establishment you don’t take the political direction of drunks that seriously. In the sense that Hitler collected drunks, thugs and misfits for his organization who were drawn in by the hate message, I think there is something to compare to Nazi Germany. Not a huge amount of thought goes into the far right movement, just if it is not like me kill it.
Tom(Independent)
October 19th, 2011
12:40 pm
Jay@5;31 – Let’s be fair, liberal-head! If you want to keep bringing up Newt’s personal life(wife situation), let’s also talk about your favorite, former President Bill Clinton. It is well-known that Bill fooled around with personal affairs multiple times as Governor, as well as his fooling around with an intern as President. I guess fooling around is a nice way to put it.Personally, I think the public did not care about these events, as the economy was very good during his time in office. We could overlook his little discretions. Newt is the smartest and most knowledgeable man on that debate stage. Words and thoughts seem to easily flow from him. He is straight forward to the public and I like that! By the way, I am not a supporter of his at this time. I will support the candidate who has the best chance to defeat Obama! I hope many Independents feel the same way as I do!!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
12:45 pm
Steve, your lack of understanding of the political mood in this country and of electoral politics in general is astounding.
@@
October 19th, 2011
12:48 pm
GT:
I watched a psychotherapist talk about the OWS protesters last night. She, like me, believes that when you externalize your frustrations, you inhibit your own abilities. The power exists from within. If you fail to acknowledge that, power is relinquished to others.
Napkin Notes On the Art of Living Responsibly–Gary Michael Dhurst, PhD. is about YOU! Its purpose is to assist you in experiencing the truth about yourself, your relationships, and your life. We are totally responsible for everything in our experience.
Great book!
HDB
October 19th, 2011
12:52 pm
@@
October 19th, 2011
12:02 pm
One…I don’t fall for political correctness; I’m open for intense, factual discussions
Two: The conservatives have done more to denigrate black Americans than most liberals have! Since many conservatives don’t view me as a constituent, it makes it a bit difficult for me to view them in a positive light! Once the tone of the message changes….maybe the message gets considered!!
Colin Powell acted as a soldier would….he followed orders!! That was his first teaching!! Should he have not followed orders and said what he really thought?? YES…but that’s not conservative orthodoxy; you parrot the talking points and refuse to look at other methodologies!! If conservatives would just listen to themselves and note the hostility…maybe the lines of communication could be opened more!! IMHO….
H. Smyth
October 19th, 2011
12:52 pm
There is only one person in the Republican debates that I will be very comfortable about voting for. Only one person that I feel has the knowledge of what made America great, solutions to help restore that greatness, and the political skills to work within all factions to accomplish those aims. That person is Newt Gingrich. I still see the same old Democrat party line that can only attack a person because they are afraid to debate that person’s ideas.
Jefferson
October 19th, 2011
12:54 pm
Why can’t the GOP have someone that is clearly someone most people like ? None of those cats have it.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
12:55 pm
Obozo: “All the choices we’ve made have been the right ones”.
It’s just the results that are the problem.
Too darn funny!
John Stewart
October 19th, 2011
12:56 pm
It’s OK if Clinton chases women then and now…Obama did cocaine and buddies with anti-American radicals then and now..but Newt can’t get a break even though he is the smartest guy with real answers out there!
MB
October 19th, 2011
1:03 pm
New did a pretty decent job of pointing it out when one of the idiots on stage with him said something completely stupid. Too bad he seems about as interested in winning as Fred Thompson did in ‘08.
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
1:05 pm
Jefferson….see that is where you are wrong. We like them ALL more than Obama.
@@
October 19th, 2011
1:08 pm
HDB:
As a conservative, I refuse to practice the soft bigotry of low expectations. I think blacks are more capable than they’ve been led to believe. It’s Democrats that keep telling them they need the government’s help.
I voted for Bill Clinton, who proposed welfare reform but then got distracted by universal healthcare. Obama’sCARE left blacks with an unemployment rate of what…16%? 18%?
Newt pushed Clinton to accept Welfare Reform, and as a result, more blacks were lifted out of poverty. Tough love works!
Charlie The Tuna
October 19th, 2011
1:14 pm
Perry is like the obnoxious, loud-mouthed relative that everyone hopes doesn’t show up at the family reunion.
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
1:18 pm
Charlie….he is gong to show up….trust me he is going to show up!
Jack
October 19th, 2011
1:25 pm
I like Newt. He’s likely the best to debate Obama. His personal life is no concern of mine unless I thought it might interfere with his governing.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
1:25 pm
“Why can’t the GOP have someone that is clearly someone most people like ?”
Jefferson, when did you talk to most people? ‘Cause the polls tell a very different story.
mike
October 19th, 2011
1:33 pm
I think they ought to have more debates so these folks can keep showing America just how dense they really are. Newt needs to stay away from the others wives before he really does make a move. If Newt is your choice to lead this country than we are truly in trouble. These debates are a great SNL performance.
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
1:35 pm
Mike….we have had two years to see the how dense Obama really is!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
1:37 pm
Nice partisan rhetoric, mike. Care to back any of it up with objective analysis?
HDB
October 19th, 2011
1:45 pm
@@
October 19th, 2011
1:08 pm
I’ll be one of the first progressives to state that revisions to the safety net need to be done…but NOT the wholesale elimination of such as many conservatives desire. I’d rather see the linking of education, job training and welfare spending so that those on welfare can be taught self-sufficiency! Too many here want spending cut…but are unwilling to note the consequences!! I’d rather see a scapel taken to the federal budget rather than a meat cleaver!!
Heath care reform was something that NO administration attempted to tackle save Obama! Never in any idea has the initial iteration been a complete success; it takes revision to make it work! This was the first step in a process that was sorely needed!! NOW….maybe…a mode of thought that would assist ALL of the people rather than those of means pertaining to health care would be considered!!
I have no problem with education and work; that’s how I attained what I’ve done….but the persistent denigration of those below us does more to marginalize progressive processes (education, work, self-sufficiency) in many eyes than the dependent processes. Need to change the TONE and reach INTO the muck rather than to describe it from the outside!!
JDW
October 19th, 2011
1:50 pm
@Tom…”Let’s be fair, liberal-head! If you want to keep bringing up Newt’s personal life(wife situation), let’s also talk about your favorite, former President Bill Clinton.”
Lets do be fair Tom, did Clinton fool around, sure. Did/Does Newt most certainly.
Should either matter…NO.
That said here is the problem with Newt. WHILE HE IS FOOLING AROUND, he tried to make political points off Clintons transgressions and then to top it all off he adopts the “Family Values” theme and spends time lecturing the rest of us on how to “morally” conduct ourselves.
See I don’t really care that he fooled around, it’s the lying hypocrite that he is that I detest and that which makes him unelectable.
getalife
October 19th, 2011
2:08 pm
The adult President Obama won the debate because they argued like children.
willard got a taste of what our President deals with the gop children everyday.
Four more years because you cons can’t find a adult that can beat him.
GT
October 19th, 2011
2:16 pm
I think Bill Clinton actually attracted women, I see Newt as a lecturous class nerd, if that smart, wowing mental flat liners into submission whether it is bed or writing a check. One inch to the left or right and Newt is the type that we find out is a serial killer, weird guy. You have Clinton who went to Yale and seems like a casual intellectual in style and Newt hailing from West Georgia laying it on thick.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
2:16 pm
I see that one of the children has left the Table over at Bookman’s . . .
Tom(Independent)
October 19th, 2011
2:22 pm
Mike@1;33 – If you are really concerned with a 68 yr old man with white hair being a threat to stealing anyone’s wife, you need some professional help! JDW – Interesting post, did this happen about 25-30 years ago? My memory does not go back that far, sorry? I for one, would love to see a face-off debate between Newt and Barrack! Sorry, maybe I should not have just used first names, is that proper or not, don’t know? I’m just a simple man, as Bill OReilly would say.
Tom(Independent)
October 19th, 2011
2:28 pm
GT – You apparently do not know much about women. He was a POWER womanizer as Governor and President. Women are attracted to power more than looks. Maybe whom he was married to might have contributed to his many affairs? Then again, maybe not?
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
2:29 pm
Getalife….you make us all laugh….thanks.
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
2:31 pm
Newt cannot practice what he preaches.
How will he reduce the national debt when his own campaign is $1+Millon in the red?
@@
October 19th, 2011
2:32 pm
HDB:
I’ll be one of the first progressives to state that revisions to the safety net need to be done…but NOT the wholesale elimination of such as many conservatives desire.
And I can recall when Republicans, along with most Americans were asking for incremental changes to healthcare, not the complete overhaul that Obama insisted upon. The resounding message was “SLOW DOWN”!!!!! His head was so high up in the clouds, he refused to listen.
From the president on down, your party has sought to denigrate anyone who opposes their policies. Somethin’ to the effect, we’re just not smart enough. Obama said it just the other day. Wanna talk about condescension from a president? It practically oozes from your guy.
Give it up, HDB. I’m not buyin’ what you’re selling. After years of dealing with progressives, here at the AJC, I’ve come to realize how devious they can be.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
2:36 pm
Obozo hates all of America, and only pretends to like the groups he thinks are inclined to vote for him.
HDB
October 19th, 2011
2:48 pm
@@
October 19th, 2011
2:32 pm
Look…it happens on both sides of the equation!! What are conservatives calling those who are unemployed?? LAZY!! Look at how conservatives painted a picture of people on welfare!! “Welfare queens driving Cadillacs” – a favorite phrase of Ronald Reagan!!
“And I can recall when Republicans, along with most Americans were asking for incremental changes to healthcare, not the complete overhaul that Obama insisted upon. The resounding message was “SLOW DOWN”!!!!! ”
If you think about it…incremental changes had NEVER taken place…talked about, yes…but not taken place! How do you implement incremental change without having to be radical in the approach?? At least, NOW, change in the system can commence!!
You don’t have to buy what I’m selling….but be cognizant of the fact that there are MULTIPLE approaches to any situaation…and tone means just as much as the conversation itself!!
Politi Cal
October 19th, 2011
2:56 pm
I was a BIG supporter of Mr. Cain’s until this 9-9-9 nonsense. That plan ADDS to the tax burden of anyone in lower through middle income brackets. If you think it does not, sit down and do the math. I did, and it’s a killer for my famiily. It stinks, Herman!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
2:56 pm
“and tone means just as much as the conversation itself!!”
And absolutist statements as you made above are worthless in beginning any conversation.
“Conservatives” calling . . . “Conservatives” painted . . .
You lose ANY platform from which you try to make you points when you paint people with whom you disagree using such a broad brush.
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
2:57 pm
Newt’s motto?
Campaign and Spend.
Who else caught onto this idea? Sarah Palin. With no intention of running, she swindled peoples’ hard earned money for hopes she’d throw her name into the ring. Who did Sarah think won the dabate? Newt of course.
New Conspiracy Theory! (someone alert Bob Barr)
Newt actually has no intention of becoming the President.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
2:58 pm
“If you think it does not, sit down and do the math. I did, and it’s a killer for my famiily.”
Then you must have failed math, Politi Cat. Tell us what specifically it does and how, and I will correct your mistakes.
Lil' Barry Blowhard (Revised Upward)
October 19th, 2011
3:02 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
10:11 am
Kay, believe me, I do pay attention. For example, I pay sufficient attention… Obama did have a Democrat congress, complete with filibuster-proof Senate.
You DON’T pay attention or you simply LIE. What is it? Do some research on the 111th Congress. Obama NEVER had a filibuster-proof Senate, lest you forget Al Franken and Scott Brown. As a matter of fact 111th session Republicans set all-time RECORDS for the number of filibusters. Again, facts aren’t really ever your strong point.
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
3:04 pm
Politi Cal……oh poor thing you must be referencing the lower class that pays ZERO in federal income tax…..Time to pay up!
@@
October 19th, 2011
3:09 pm
HDB:
Your refusal to acknowledge the positive impact of Newt’s welfare reform says all I need to know about you. You’d prefer not to say anything positive about the other side. You’re no different than those you criticize.
Now go away. You’re just like the others I’ve encountered here. You’re not to be trusted…your sincerity is questionable, at best. I don’t come here to be misled by people like you.
’twas a wise man once told me….”Frisk the liberal first.”
(ISH)
Jefferson
October 19th, 2011
3:14 pm
No wonder.
@@
October 19th, 2011
3:16 pm
And for those who continue to point out Newt’s infidelities. His wife and daughters have moved on with no bitterness in tow. Perhaps you all should do the same.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
3:24 pm
Lil’ Barry Blowhard: You DON’T pay attention or you simply LIE. What is it? Do some research on the 111th Congress. Obama NEVER had a filibuster-proof Senate.
——————
http://www.ihavenet.com/politics/Democrats-60-Filibuster-Proof-Senate-Votes-Senator-Al-Franken.html
Looks like YOU need to do some research.
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
3:25 pm
@@, it’s not about his children or ex-wive(s).
It’s the hypocracy of trying to oust Clinton for playing the same game, at the same time. Sorry you don’t see that.
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
3:26 pm
Hypocrisy…
ODD OWL
October 19th, 2011
3:28 pm
Newt Gingrich is an old line Republican who have traditional mainstream Republican ideas… Newt’s biggest problem is his morally reprehensible character… Gingrich ideas and plan require voters to use their rationality, logic and reason. The vast majority of the non rich Republican voters don’t use any rationality, logic or reason. They simply act on their negative emotional instincts without the benefit of intellect… These non rich Republicans hate President Barack “The Hawk” Obama so much that they’re willing to destroy the whole country in their attempts to defeat him…
AT
October 19th, 2011
3:32 pm
I thought Herman Cain did a good job last night under attack. It’s impossible to properly defend a plan in 30 seconds when attacked with sound bites and misrepresentations of his plan. The made for TV debate circus that the networks continue to play are annoying like that.
When you consider that corporate taxes are going to significantly shrink (more than 9%), that savings will be reflected in lower prices for goods as compared to today. The 9% sales tax will then be added on bringing the price back up to prices we pay today. Whether or not the two even out, I don’t know, but the concept explains why it should not raise taxes on low income people, in theory. The idea is to make a hidden tax (corporate taxes in the price of goods we buy) and make it visible as a sales tax. I like that.
The thing I continue to enjoy about Herman Cain is that he does not speak as a politician. He doesn’t throw out the plastic political catch phases that all the other leading candidate use. His “goofs” have been largely attributed to his refusal or inability to be a plastic phony politician. And again, I like that.
getalife
October 19th, 2011
3:35 pm
“And for those who continue to point out Newt’s infidelities. His wife and daughters have moved on with no bitterness in tow. Perhaps you all should do the same.”
After the million insults to President Clinton from you cons, we will do the same to newt.
Fair is fair.
HDB
October 19th, 2011
3:36 pm
@@
October 19th, 2011
3:09 pm
When did I say that welfare reform wasn’t a good thing?? The problem is that for as many positive things that come out of conservatives, there are at least three times the negatives……..
I’m able to see a lot from your vantagepoint….moreso than you’re willing to look at things from mine……
Wise man also told me…the first thing about a conservative is the CON!! That’s why I look BOTH ways before I cross the street!!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
3:38 pm
Actually, Junior, as everyone but you apparently knows, Clinton was not impeached for his infidelities. He was impeached for lying under oath.
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
3:39 pm
Getalife….NOONE brought up Clinton until you guys brought up Newt…..This skin eh?
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
3:40 pm
AT,
You honestly believe corporations will lower their prices once their taxes are lowered? Because corporations always lower their prices when costs decrease?
In the market for a bridge?
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
3:41 pm
Clinton was impeached?
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
3:42 pm
Home schooled?
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
3:42 pm
Junior…..yes.
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
3:43 pm
Junior…..yes, yes and no. hahah
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
3:49 pm
I stand corrected, impeachment and the trial (by the upper house) are entirely different.
UGA 1999
October 19th, 2011
3:53 pm
Junior….he was impeached.
PigeonMan
October 19th, 2011
3:54 pm
Good call on Marco Rubio – he could help win Florida. Hopefully, we will all learn more about him soon. All that the media talks about is the fact that he is married to a former Dolphin’s cheerleader.
Did Rubio play pro football? If so, I hope he doesnt shake hands as hard as Jim Harbaugh does!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
3:55 pm
ODD OWL: These non rich Republicans hate President Barack “The Hawk” Obama so much that they’re willing to destroy the whole country in their attempts to defeat him.
————————-
It couldn’t have anything to do with years-long 9% unemployment or annual trillion-dollar deficits.
And your fellow genius progressives here on the board don’t even know what “impeachment” means, or know that Obozo had a filibuster-proof Senate. Remind me again how much smarter y’all are…
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
3:55 pm
“You honestly believe corporations will lower their prices once their taxes are lowered?”
In this economy? You bet. Because every one of their competitors will do so just to get goods sold that haven’t sold in the past few years, and others will have to lower thier prices in order to keep up. You might recognize this as something called free-market capitalism.
But then, you might not either, Junior.
@@
October 19th, 2011
3:59 pm
Junior & Getalife:
It was Clinton’s lying to the American people that I disliked. All in all, I don’t regret voting for him.
Hypocrisy? You wanna talk hypocrisy? Romney’s 2012 war chest? $32.6 million. Rick Perry’s war chest? $17.2 million.
Obama, who constantly attacks the wealthy? $90 million and counting.
THAT’S HYPOCRISY!!!
AT
October 19th, 2011
4:01 pm
Junior,
I don’t believe it to be true, I know it to be true. If my product’s profit margin instantly increases by X, then I know I have X more margin to lower my price, maintain my existing profit margin, undercut my competition, take their business and thus increase my profits even more. My competition will have the same benefits as well and will have to cut their prices as well. Aside from government interference and artificial price structures imposed by government, this is how it works in the real world. Anyone who sells anything in a competitive market knows this. Econ 101.
Bad Habit
October 19th, 2011
4:04 pm
Here’s the deal. Any candidate that does not want to abolish the present disaster of a tax code is not worth the vote, EXCEPT to get rid of Prezbo Downgrade. And every one of them, except Newt, attacked Herman on his 9-9-9 plan.
JDW
October 19th, 2011
4:14 pm
@Tom…”Interesting post, did this happen about 25-30 years ago?”
Yep right about the time Republican politics turned into Repugnican politics…Newt started the rot from within.
Then to top it all off he was run out of office! It amazes me that anyone would want to hear what he has to say.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
4:16 pm
“Repugnican politics”
aaaannnnnd . . . I stopped reading. Anyone who can’t take the time to properly denote the political parties in the United States doesn’t deserve attention.
JDW
October 19th, 2011
4:17 pm
@@@…”Obama, who constantly attacks the wealthy?”
Attacks? I think he just believes like 2/3’s of the country that they should pay their fair share of taxes…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149567/americans-favor-jobs-plan-proposals-including-taxing-rich.aspx
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
4:19 pm
The wealthy need to pay their “fair share”?
Time for another tax cut, apparently? They’re paying their share and most of yours, so quit whining.
JDW
October 19th, 2011
4:22 pm
@Tiberus…”Anyone who can’t take the time to properly denote the political parties in the United States doesn’t deserve attention.”
If the shoe fits, and boy does it ever, they get to wear it. The Republican Party died when Newt took over. They have been Repugnicans ever since.
JDW
October 19th, 2011
4:26 pm
@Barry…”Time for another tax cut, apparently? They’re paying their share and most of yours, so quit whining.”
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 19th, 2011
4:27 pm
“I think he just believes like 2/3’s of the country that they should pay their fair share of taxes…”
Well, it’s a good thing we don’t live in a democracy, then, isn’t it?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
4:30 pm
With apologies to Samuel Clemens: “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a Democrat.”
Tom(Independent)
October 19th, 2011
4:37 pm
JDW – Perhaps we should go back 100 yrs and talk about Lincoln, since you think 30 yrs ago is important. The past is the past, move on to current times please sir. Face it, you know your guy(Obama) would get blown away in a face-off debate with Newt. Actually I don’t know of anyone who would do well against him one on one. Except maybe Chris Christy(who is not a candidate). Your 2nd comment about 2/3’s of the country think wealthy should pay more. I guess that the 50% of people who pay NO TAXES are a big part of that 2/3’s you mentioned. Also when is the last time that the 50%(who pay NO TAXES) either created or saved a job?? I am not in the wealthy group,but they are the people who create or save jobs. Seriously, do you not realize we would lose jobs if you raise taxes on the wealthy?? This should be about jobs, jobs, jobs, not saving people in Africa, Libya, Egypt, etc!!!!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
4:38 pm
And who are the 1/3 of Americans who DON’T think everyone should pay their fair share?
Most likely, the ones who pay zero. Greedy parasites.
JDW
October 19th, 2011
4:39 pm
@Tiberus…”Well, it’s a good thing we don’t live in a democracy, then, isn’t it?”
Even in a Republic you can only dodge the 2/3’s when the facts are on your side. In this case they are not. When that happens even your “Friends” start taking shots…
From Bloombergs
“But we also object to misinformation, and there have been assertions associated with taxing the well-off that bear scrutiny — notably that taxing them will cost jobs.
It isn’t true. Don’t take our word for it; we know this is so because of the work of Republican economists, who say little evidence exists that increased income-tax rates dampen hiring. If anything, the statistics point in the other direction: When taxes have risen, so have the number of jobs.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-07/atlas-should-shrug-at-u-s-senate-proposal-for-millionaires-surtax-view.html
getalife
October 19th, 2011
4:47 pm
@@,
Our President is winning in our corrupt system.
If you don’t like our corrupt system, join the real American 99 % people to change our corrupt system or stop crying about here.
Stand up cons and stop bending over for corporate power.
It is time to end the coc .
getalife
October 19th, 2011
4:49 pm
oops crying about it here.
Junior Samples
October 19th, 2011
4:52 pm
So gentlemen, the fact that Newt was leading Clinton’s impeachment for lying under oath (about his affair), while having an affair himself, is “keep moving, nothing to see here” because Newt wasn’t under oath?
Regardless of what he told his wive(s), the preacher (and now Priest), and God during his marriage vows? That’s ok with you guys?
And you give him a pass on this little gem of an excuse? “There’s no question at times in my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate.” -Newt
C’mon…
If that’s who you guys want for President, so be it.
Get ready for four more years.
Regarding the free market capitalism tutorials, you’re speaking about the theory vs. practice.
Did the big 3 car companies drop prices when they closed the plants in the US in favor of foreign labor?
Did Dell slash prices when they offloaded support to India and production to Mexico?
Did Apple slice the cost of the iPhone when they started producing them in China?
The practice is that the newfound gains end up as executive compensation. And if that’s what they want to do, fine. Consumers have the last vote. But it’s not a fair assessment to state that corporations will cut the price of goods once the costs drop as well. Right now it’s just theory.
JDW
October 19th, 2011
4:55 pm
@Tom…”Perhaps we should go back 100 yrs and talk about Lincoln, since you think 30 yrs ago is important.”
Lincoln’s not running or we would be talking about him too.
As for the rest…
“Face it, you know your guy(Obama) would get blown away in a face-off debate with Newt. Actually I don’t know of anyone who would do well against him one on one. Except maybe Chris Christy(who is not a candidate). ”
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but Newt can’t hold his own against that “stellar” field he is running against. I don’t think he would have much success with Obama either. As for Obama being “my guy” not so much…he just happens to be the lesser of current evils.
“I guess that the 50% of people who pay NO TAXES are a big part of that 2/3’s you mentioned. Also when is the last time that the 50%(who pay NO TAXES) either created or saved a job??”
There is no 50% of people that pay no taxes. About 47% of households pay NO INCOME TAXES BECAUSE THEY DON’T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. At the same time the do pay Social Security, Medicare, sales, auto, property (if they own any) and assorted other taxes.
“I am not in the wealthy group,but they are the people who create or save jobs.”
Well I am and taxes have very little to do with creating jobs…demand creates jobs.
“Seriously, do you not realize we would lose jobs if you raise taxes on the wealthy?? This should be about jobs, jobs, jobs, not saving people in Africa, Libya, Egypt, etc!!!!”
Don’t take my word…see my 4:39 link to Bloomberg…(psssst the guy that owns them is wealthy too)
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 19th, 2011
5:20 pm
Only one year, 3 months and a day until Herman Cain takes office.
Hot damn, the stupidity is almost over!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
5:26 pm
Q: Did the big 3 car companies drop prices when they closed the plants in the US in favor of foreign labor?
A: No, because even with lower-cost labor, they were still losing money.
Q: Did Dell slash prices when they offloaded support to India and production to Mexico?
A: Yes. In case you haven’t noticed, computer prices continue to drop thanks to brutal competition.
Q: Did Apple slice the cost of the iPhone when they started producing them in China?
A: No. The iPhone is not a commodity and so price is not very elastic. Lowering the price would have been stupid.
JDW
October 19th, 2011
5:33 pm
@Report Blah, Blah, Blan…”Hot damn, the stupidity is almost over!”
And here I was sure that happened January 20th 2009…BTW I think you are going to be disappointed. When it gets right down to making a decision I don’t think the majority will want to go back to losing 700,000 jobs a month, GDP falling by 6.5% or a financial industry in meltdown.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
5:36 pm
Yeah, our President Bush’s eight years of 4-6% unemployment is definitely something Americans don’t want a repeat of.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
5:38 pm
And I’m not sure why it is our President Bush’s fault that so many parasites stopped paying their bills, igniting the financial meltdown.
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October 19th, 2011
5:48 pm
My neighbor’s dog growls at people walking by minding their own business, eats it’s own feces, has been hosed by the skunks several times, has a giant gash on it’s forehead from one of the nearby kitty cats and barks incessantly into the wee hours of the morning at all of the conjoured up fake demons in it’s empty, simple little mind.
The neighbor said he’d run it off if his stupid kids didn’t love it so much.
I asked what it’s name was, he said “Barak Obama.”
Dusty
October 19th, 2011
5:56 pm
Didn’t watch the debate. I’m not real wild about any of the candidates. Just waiting.
What we need is another Truman or another George W. Bush. That is, smart and practical people with a moral character and a spine.
I’d love to see former Sec. Defense Gates running. He is exactly what we need. Don’t think anyone asked him and I don’t think he would run anyway.
Perry comes close. Job Bush should be asked to run. We’ve got enough “flash in the pans”. We need someone substantial, the opposite of Obama whose decisions are made by advisors because he has neither the experience nor the convictions.
Rafe Hollister
October 19th, 2011
6:01 pm
For you Libs that have a private sector job and think Oblamer and company care about private sector jobs.
Reid signals government jobs must take priority over private-sector jobs
By Pete Kasperowicz – 10/19/11 10:16 AM ET
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Wednesday indicated Congress needs to worry about government jobs more than private-sector jobs, and that this is why Senate Democrats are pushing a bill aimed at shoring up teachers and first-responders.
“It’s very clear that private-sector jobs have been doing just fine; it’s the public-sector jobs where we’ve lost huge numbers, and that’s what this legislation is all about,” Reid said on the Senate floor.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
6:08 pm
Reid: Idiot.
TOM MCDOUGALD
October 19th, 2011
6:44 pm
The best thing for America is for Newt to pick Marco Rubio for VP and they win. Newt commits to only 4 years as Pres., so he is only going to do what’s best for the country- Rubio wins the Presidency 4 yrs. later to finish cleaning up the Obummer mess.
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October 19th, 2011
7:10 pm
JDW:
Attacks? I think he just believes like 2/3’s of the country that they should pay their fair share of taxes
Ditto what Lil’ Barry said.
Count me among the minority, JDW. I will never believe I’m entitled to that which belongs to someone else. Were it so, I’d be a thief…a burglar.
It’s that “do unto others” thingy.
Michael H. Smith
October 19th, 2011
7:35 pm
Stick around brucie, your beliefs are going to change after November 2012. America does not share the same fascist-socialist belief system as that of your comrades obumer and van jones.
JDW
October 19th, 2011
9:00 pm
@@@…”Count me among the minority, JDW. I will never believe I’m entitled to that which belongs to someone else. Were it so, I’d be a thief…a burglar.”
Asking those that benefit most from the economic environment created by the our tax dollars to contribute their fair share is not stealing. It is more like dividing up the tab after a large dinner. The guy that drank all the wine and ate all the appetizers pays more.
Fact is all those tax dollars go to create a system that enriches a small minority greatly and they should pay the most to maintain that system. Right now they are stiffing the country on the tab to the detirment of everyone.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
9:04 pm
Fact is all those tax dollars go to create a system that enriches a small minority greatly
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BS. All those tax dollars go to parasite maintenance programs–social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, section 8 housing, and government employees.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 19th, 2011
9:28 pm
Fact is all those tax dollars go to create a system that provides everyone with an equal opportunity to make the most of their hard work and talents. Right now 50% of the population chooses to take it easy, pays zero income tax, and is are stiffing the country on the tab to the detirment of everyone.
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Fixed.
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5:10 am
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