After bipartisan rejection of Obama’s latest stimulus, what’s next?
Look on the bright side, Mr. President: At least this time the defeat wasn’t 97-0.
From the Hill:
President Obama received a slap from members of his own party Tuesday as the Senate voted 50-49 to block his $447 billion jobs package.
The jobs plan, which the president has spent much of the last month touting on a cross-country tour, fell well short of the 60 votes it needed to proceed.
The only Democrats to vote against the measure were Sens. Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Jon Tester (Mont.), but a number of other centrists in the party indicated they would vote against the package even though they supported launching a debate on the measure.
So, President Obama’s latest stimulus couldn’t even win the support of all Senate Democrats. But don’t worry: The White House no doubt will pin the blame on “obstructionist Republicans.” How inconvenient for them that the GOP-led House didn’t vote it down first.
Now that we’ve dispensed with the political theater of Obama proposing a bill designed chiefly to fire up his base, only to be quickly rejected by Congress, perhaps the debate in Washington can become more substantive.
…And now that you’ve stopped laughing…
To begin, we’ll see how the president and Senate react if/when House members pass those elements of Obama’s bill with which they agree.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Tommy Maddox
October 12th, 2011
11:30 am
It was always a tax bill, not a jobs bill.
Don't Tread
October 12th, 2011
11:43 am
Obama has already blamed it on “obstructionist Republicans”, and his base is already eating it up like it’s a Hosea Williams dinner for the homeless.
I’m sure glad the Democrats got their butts handed to them in the last election – who knows what would have passed since then.
CJ
October 12th, 2011
11:53 am
Bi-partisan rejection. I guess that’s factually correct. But it’s worth noting again that the majority of Senators voted yes to move the bill forward. So, yet again, as a result of the abuse of the filibuster, we have a U.S. Senate in which the side that gets the fewest votes is the side that wins. Republicans voted unanimously to block this legislation. All but two Democratic senators voted for it.
So it comes down to this: Senate Republicans, in the midst of a jobs crisis and intense public demand for congressional action, killed a credible jobs bill for no apparent reason. Most Americans support the American Jobs Act’s provisions; it enjoys strong support from economists and business leaders; it includes ideas from both parties; and the CBO found it will even lower the deficit over the next decade.
Kyle Wingfield
October 12th, 2011
11:56 am
CJ: Or maybe their reason for killing the bill was that, in their view, it was not credible.
Kyle Wingfield
October 12th, 2011
12:02 pm
As for the filibuster: Remember, it was to avoid bringing this bill up for a vote last week that Harry Reid and a majority of Dems changed the Senate rules. So, they changed the rules to avoid voting on the bill when they didn’t want to, but not to ensure a vote on the bill when they supposedly did want to.
And you think this is all about Republican machinations?
HDB
October 12th, 2011
12:06 pm
The problem I see is that the GOP wants a SUPERmajority in order for any legislation to pass in the Senate….rather than a SIMPLE majority…which is called for constitutionally!! More action cold have occurrend if this supermajority wasn’t forced upon tha American public!!
CJ
October 12th, 2011
12:07 pm
RE: “…the Senate voted 50-49 to block [President Obama's] $447 billion jobs package…”
I don’t think it’s clear from the excerpt above or from the rest of Kyle’s piece, so again, it’s worth highlighting the fact that the 50 votes were FOR the jobs bill (technically, for proceeding with debate on the jobs bill) and the 49 votes were against the jobs bill.
When Kyle reports that the bill was defeated, it was defeated by receiving a minority of the votes–an indication that, given the abuse of the filibuster, the U.S. Senate is dysfunctional.
Also, when The Hill reports that “President Obama received a slap from members of his own party”, they’re talking about 2 out of 52. Nevertheless, 96 percent of Democratic Senators voted FOR the bill and votes for the bill received more votes than votes against. Yet, somehow it was “defeated.” Strange times we live in.
Kyle Wingfield
October 12th, 2011
12:11 pm
Your “technicality” about the motion being procedural undermines your whole argument, CJ. As the story stated, there were fewer Democrats prepared to vote for the bill than there were to proceed to a vote. So, there apparently was not a majority in favor of the bill.
CJ
October 12th, 2011
12:14 pm
Kyle,
If you’re suggesting that the Democrats change the rules to eliminate or, at least, strictly limit the use of the filibuster, then we’re both on the same side. To be sure, if and when Republicans retake the Senate, that’s exactly what they’re going to do anyway. They won’t put up with minority Dems blocking up-and-down votes on their legislation and/or such vote on appointees of a Republican president–not at the same rate that they blocked up-and-down votes on Democratic-supported legislation and appointees of a Democratic president. When Democrats are in charge, its about protecting the rights of the minority. When Republicans are in charge, its about honoring the constitution and the will of the people.
Kyle Wingfield
October 12th, 2011
12:19 pm
No, CJ, that’s not what I’m suggesting at all. As is often the case, you’ve deliberately twisted or misinterpreted my words to try to bolster your case.
My point was that Senate Democrats have gone to great lengths not to pass Obama’s bill — and, now, to blame Republicans for it.
saywhat?
October 12th, 2011
12:20 pm
Prediction:If Republicans ever win the Senate in the near future (next 2-4 years) and especially if they win the presidency in 2012 (A really big if), and if Democrats vote en masse against all Republican sponsored legislation a la current Republicans, the Republicans will change Senate rules regarding the filibuster so as to require only a simple majority vote for all procedures/legislation they want passed.
saywhat?
October 12th, 2011
12:22 pm
CJ beat me to my prediction- CURSE MY SLOW TYPING!!!!!!
CJ
October 12th, 2011
12:23 pm
Kyle @12:11,
My argument hasn’t been undermined. The fact is, that with this filibuster, the side that got the least number of votes won…again. Full stop.
We’ll never know whether there was a majority in favor of the actual legislation, of course, since debate on the bill was blocked with this filibuster (as I recall, you recently argued that the filibuster was necessary to extend debate in the Senate–in this case, the filibuster accomplished the opposite). Recall that just yesterday, much of the media was reporting that support for even proceeding wouldn’t get a majority either. Those reports were wrong.
CJ
October 12th, 2011
12:28 pm
Kyle @12:19. I did deliberately misinterpret your words, but I did so to be sarcastic. Sorry.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
12:29 pm
Yes, because trickle down has worked in the past, right? Isn’t that the House GOP plan? Tax cuts for the higher earners, hoping that alone will spur demand for more jobs? Or will the higher earners bring back the jobs they outsourced overseas? Better yet… the higher earners will just toss their new gains from the tax cuts out from the window onto the masses?
Is that the House GOP plan?
hsn
October 12th, 2011
12:34 pm
It wasn’t a “bipartisan rejection” of the bill. Change the title of your entry. It is irresponsible and you know it! 2 out of 52 ???
What the Republikans are doing in the Congress and to this country is unconscionable!
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
12:36 pm
hsn, stop bringing simple math into the conversation. It doesn’t fit the narrative.
@@
October 12th, 2011
12:37 pm
The Senate confirmed something last night that most people in Washington already knew:
President Obama’s $447 billion jobs bill won’t pass Congress, at least not in its current form.
But the bill is certainly not dead politically. Obama pledged to bring it back up piece-by-piece in the weeks ahead — presumably rolling right into the election year of 2012.
Presumably!!??!! Howz’bout definitely. It’s been his game plan all along. Toss his lapdogs a bone here…a bone there…just enough to keep ‘em scramblin’ for change.
Does Chris Matthews’ leg still tingle at the mere thought of a bone?
schnirt
SBinF
October 12th, 2011
12:39 pm
What next?
I assume the GOP will continue to vote no and disagree with anything the president suggests. After all, they have admitted that their top priority is ensuring that Obama is a one term president. I’m sure that is quite settling for the millions of unemployed folk out there.
resno2
October 12th, 2011
12:42 pm
After the bridges are rebuilt, what will happen to the jobs this bill would have created? Will they go the way of the census takers?
Kyle Wingfield
October 12th, 2011
12:49 pm
hsn: That’s infinitely more bipartisan than was support for the bill.
Stevie Ray
October 12th, 2011
12:53 pm
Kyle,
Like Wall Streets history of hedging political contributions (generally balanced equally between parties), Congress is betting that the sole purpose of being, getting re-elected, is better if not attached to more ridiculously wasteful spending that can’t be justified objectively (say the publication of 3,000,000 new or “saved” W-2’s…
resno2
October 12th, 2011
12:57 pm
with all of the wasted taxpayer money wasted on ‘Green Jobs’ recently by the obama administration, isn’t it even the least bit conceivable that he is wrong about what this 4oo+ billion will do?
Stevie Ray
October 12th, 2011
12:58 pm
HSN, why not find another way to form your opinions that falling into the “information-based bias” herd? Research the delta between what portion the top 1% paid in total taxes versus the next 95% in 1897 versus 2007. If you take time to research both positions without simply listening to that data that supports your idealogical positions, you may be in position to post something that isn’t more of the same. For example, the Democrats in the minority didn’t need to vote against the stimulus since they knew the republicans plus 2 already committed to nay. Are you naive enough to think this is fortuitous? It’s all about re-election baby!
Stevie Ray
October 12th, 2011
12:59 pm
Correction HSN, compare the total tax collected in the 20 years between 1987 (not 1897 which may be interesting as well) versus 2007.
Stevie Ray
October 12th, 2011
1:03 pm
Resno2, I’m confused as to why the first (worthless) stimulus didn’t address infrastructure spending…if not, given the time it takes to plow thru regulatory tape (3 to 5 years minimum)now we’ve pushed back any traction by a couple years….don’t you also wonder what credibility the feds have in actually accounting for inflows and outflows in the trillions? I know they can count that high but can they accurately account that high. Like you posts.
resno2
October 12th, 2011
1:15 pm
the feds and credibility is an oxymoron
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
1:15 pm
No wait, it’s those evil regulations that are preventing the higher earners from hiring more people. You know, the regulations that allow us to breathe air instead of smog. Or those ones that prevent us from fouling our waterways with spilled oil. When was the last time anyone bought seafood from our Gulf? Not to mention how many jobs were lost in the fishing industries. So let’s start drilling! Our higher earners are waiting!
Is that the House GOP plan?
Rafe Hollister
October 12th, 2011
1:17 pm
We probably would not have half the problems we have if not for the Dems using the filibuster to block bills during the Bush/Lott/Hastert days. Daschle was the filibuster king. Quit your whinning it works both ways.
@@
October 12th, 2011
1:18 pm
Off-topic!
I’m beginning to think that Ron Paul’s perpetual candidacy is his attempt to gain extended vacation, not to mention, youthful adulation.
Sad to say, I’m in agreement with most of what he says. Most, not all. The fact remains he’s served 10 terms in Congress with little to show for it. I’m glad he’s decided not to seek re-election. He deserves a rest.
In last night’s debate he accused Cain of referring to those who seek an audit of the Fed as loons or some such. Everything I’ve seen showed no such evidence. Cain has said he doesn’t know what advocates seek to gain but they’re welcome to go for it. Cain doesn’t think a commission is necessary…Congress should do so with Paul leading the way.
Paul’s becoming a bit thin-skinned…humorless
I’m thinkin’ a lot of folks don’t get Cain’s sarcastic deliveries.
I saw where ragnar danneskjold used the phrase “panties in a wad”. Made me laugh. It’s so unlike ragnar. He (ragnar) shares Cain’s scathing wit.
joe
October 12th, 2011
1:25 pm
stimulus, bailouts, entitlements should be added to George Karlin’s 7 dirty words you can’t say on TV. Only these 3 are the worst ones…
I remember when...
October 12th, 2011
1:25 pm
Ah, the Bush/Lott/Hastert days. Is that what we’re reduced to pining for, the B/L/H days? Wow. That’s sad. We really have sunk to a new low.
Tommy Maddox is right, it was a tax bill to a large extent. But isn’t that supposed to be the cure-all for this economy, according to the GOP? Lower taxes and get out of the way. Who could be against the sound logic of this argument? Actually, it’s the people who have been making the argument who are against it. Obama could have proposed a bill that would pay each American $10K out of his own pocket and they would voted against it.
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
1:29 pm
What’s next??? FIRE HIM!
resno2
October 12th, 2011
1:30 pm
“Obama could have proposed a bill that would pay each American $10K out of his own pocket and they would voted against it.”
It would be just another stupid scheme of his, so of course they would have voted against it. But remember, he would have only conceived that idea right before an election.
carlosgvv
October 12th, 2011
1:33 pm
It would be interesting to know just what those Democrats who voted against this bill think Obama should do. Or, do they have some agenda which mandates they vote against EVERY job bill he submits?
WditW
October 12th, 2011
1:36 pm
Republicans are holding out on principles. Obama’s holding out for re-election.
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
1:43 pm
Carlos…you do realize you are talking about Obama’s democrats right? This should tell you and Obama just how far out of touch he really is.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
1:54 pm
I don’t usually watch Fox & Friends in the a.m., but Mika B. was being unusually whiny today on Morning Joe. Thus, I got to watch Steve Doocy eviscerate Debbie Wasserman-Schultz with a simple question.
Why didn’t Obama consult even once with House and Senate Republican leaders before, during or after his speech on this jobs bill to see which parts were acceptable to them and which weren’t?
Proves that this was a political exercise from the very beginning. Create something you know won’t pass, and blame the other side when it doesn’t. You can claim all day long that the GOP is playing politics, but if you don’t do the same for the Dems and this President, you’re only telling half the story.
Dusty
October 12th, 2011
1:59 pm
Dear liberals,
Now please listen, children.
The USA has a huge debt in the trillions. Republicans do not want more TRILLIONS added in the name of stimulus. Such borrowed money creates nothing but more debt and little or no jobs.
Remember now: with a huge debt, NO MORE SPENDING. If you want a stimulus, give yourself a pinch. That is the only kind we can afford at this time. Even most of congress know it. And…. no sneaking it in later! We, the citizens, are watching.
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
2:00 pm
Warren Buffett made $62million last year. Good for him, great job!
Politi Cal
October 12th, 2011
2:09 pm
The Senate has 53 Democrats and 47 Republicans, and the vote was 50 to 49. Betcha the Reps get all the blame and the Dems none. Wanna’ bet?
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
2:13 pm
Politi Cal….I agree.
Intown
October 12th, 2011
2:13 pm
We need a new Congress that is back in the hands of adult leaders. Sweep out the rightwing nutjobs!
Also: Favorite soundbyte from Republic Presidential Debate comes from Michele Bachmann: “When you take the 999 plan & turn it upside down…the devil’s in the details” What?! There is so much wrong with not only this statement but, the silly plan it intends to criticize I’m not sure where to begin (hopefully Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert will help). I’m also not sure whether to laugh or cry.
Unfortunately, I think she is so stupid that she actually makes Cain seem more credible and intellectually robust. Good lord!
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
2:16 pm
Intown…..”makes Cain seem more credible and intellectually robust” you mean kind of like Obama?
Truth Squad
October 12th, 2011
2:16 pm
What this demonstrates is that the Republicans, along with two spineless Democrats, do not yet get the gravity of the jobs crisis.
The items in the American Jobs Act are all quite popular with Democrats and Republicans polled. President Obama’s numbers have been slowly creeping up. As long as he continues to fight the good fight against the Republicans and the spineless in his party on behalf of those hit hard by the economy, he will win. Playing obstructionist might have worked in 2010, but it will not work in 2012.
Watching the Republican debate last night, it is very hard to see any of those out of touch people winning the presidency. When Mitt “Multiple Choice” Romney is the great hope for victory, you are in trouble and the Republicans know it and that is why they’re still looking for someone better.
In the end, President Obama’s American Jobs Act was but a mere step in the right direction. He too is scared to tell the people the truth which is that it is going to take a lot more money, which means more revenue and larger short-term deficits in order to stimulate demand, address underwater mortgages, and fully address the infrastructure needs that are all necessary to bring unemployment down over the next few years. Lucky for him that the other side can only offer something called “9-9-9″ or some slick 59-point plan that apparently can’t be explained or reduced to a bumper sticker.
wallbanger
October 12th, 2011
2:18 pm
It is nice to know that at least a couple of Democrats can learn something from the first failed stimulus bill. This kind of government give away just doesn’t work to create jobs. They would do better to tackle the myriad of new gov’t regulations and anticipated costs for healthcare and the like that are causing business to hunker down and not invest.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
2:20 pm
Dear Dusty,
Does NO MORE SPENDING include the military? Can we finally bring our troops home?
DixieDemons
October 12th, 2011
2:21 pm
Stop trying to prop up this house of cards called America. Let EVERYTHING go and then we may be able to rebuild with common sense and integrity. If that does not work they are always hiring in China and they have a functional guest worker program. This is class warfare …. the haves vs the have nots …every man for himself
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
2:22 pm
Truth Squad,
“What this demonstrates is that the Republicans, along with two spineless Democrats, do not yet get the gravity of the jobs crisis…………..He too is scared to tell the people the truth which is that it is going to take a lot more money, which means more revenue and larger short-term deficits in order to stimulate demand, address underwater mortgages, and fully address the infrastructure needs that are all necessary to bring unemployment down over the next few years.
LoL…..
Sorry….
Still can’t function after reading that passage.
LoL…
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
2:22 pm
Truth Squad…”two spineless democrats”….you must be talking about Obama and Pelosi, but what about Reid?
Yahtzee
October 12th, 2011
2:22 pm
Obama’s solution to the fire is to throw more gas at it, and Republicans are saying NO! because that will only make the fire bigger. Then Obama tells everyone that the Republicans don’t want to put the fire out.
IT’S AS SIMPLE AS THIS
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
2:23 pm
“The items in the American Jobs Act are all quite popular with Democrats and Republicans polled.”
Really? Cite the poll taken on all the individual items, please.
“President Obama’s numbers have been slowly creeping up.”
Reality will show you otherwise.
“As long as he continues to fight the good fight against the Republicans and the spineless in his party on behalf of those hit hard by the economy, he will win.”
Once again, electoral maps do not show this.
“Playing obstructionist might have worked in 2010, but it will not work in 2012.”
Don’t quit your day job in order to go into political punditry or election analysis, Truth Squad.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
2:25 pm
“Can we finally bring our troops home?”
We could have done that 2 years ago. Why haven’t we under this failure of a President?
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
2:31 pm
(anything but) Truth @ 216,
You need your delirium checked by a professional.
The President pays attention to approval ratings, and he is well aware of the jobs issue, as are Republicans who took over the House by a deeply seated disgust in Obama by the American people. The trouble is, why didn’t his first stimulus help —- at all? Why should we trust him with a second? You can’t answer those questions, so don’t even try.
Obama was “playing obstructionist” in 2010? Do you read this nonsense you write, Truth? Just when do you think Congress was wholly democrat?
Obama’s numbers have been creeping up? Among which groups?
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/10/10/gallup-obamas-approval-rating-among-blacks-hits-all-time-low
http://www.rttnews.com/Content/PoliticalNews.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1729162
You should retitle this previous post of yours: the big Zero.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
2:34 pm
Actually Tibby, that’s a good question. And maybe the next time we decide to blow up another country we’ll have to share the sacrifice. Blank checks don’t work.
Streetracer
October 12th, 2011
2:38 pm
@@ @ 1:18
A lot of people don’t get Cain just like they don’t understand Thomas or J.C. Watts because they don’t want to believe that a black could favor self reliance. Personally don’t really like Watts much, but it has nothing too do with color or politics (those I like). I’m a Nebraska boy and he was an Oklahoma QB. Need I nsay more?
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
2:38 pm
Junior….great way to use logic….WOW the mentality of those on the left never ceases to amaze me.
Tommy Maddox
October 12th, 2011
2:40 pm
Hey Junior – I saw your earlier post regarding drilling.
Was that you riding the bike on west bound Hwy. 92 in Woodstock this morning?
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
2:41 pm
FFS,
Thanks for providing us with links to unbiased sources.
jj
October 12th, 2011
2:41 pm
Kyle, I think the important point here is that your headline was deliberately misleading, if not an outright lie. This is why we the people have got to learn NOT to TRUST the PRESS. You take bits and pieces and fit them into what you want to spin. Maybe one day we’ll have unbiased, honest, sincere reporters, columnist, and journalist who like the greats of the past, actually report the truth, the facts, and leave their opinions out of it.
I do realize this is YOUR blog, so you have a RIGHT to your opinion. However you should realize you have a moral obligation to at least try to tell the truth.
I’m wondering what all you pundits are going to have to say when Obama is re-elected? Which he is going to be if you foolishly put the likes of Perry/Bachmann up to run against him. Trust me, as a woman, neither Republican or Democrat, the women of this country will never elect either of them.
more money!
October 12th, 2011
2:45 pm
borrow more money from the chinese, raise taxes!!! that should stimulate the economy! give out more bailouts to connected companies, give more money to banks!!! Yes–that should do it!!!
@@
October 12th, 2011
2:45 pm
Favorite soundbyte from Republic Presidential Debate comes from Michele Bachmann
I respectfully disagree. Favorite soundbyte (mine):
“Obama issues apologies disguised as press conferences.” — Gingrich
Newt received a lot of applause last night.
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
2:46 pm
@@….that was a pretty clever comment.
Tommy Maddox
October 12th, 2011
2:46 pm
Let’s see: when folks from both parties vote for the same thing in Congress, that is usually construed as being “bi-partisan”. I do not believe that the numbers voting relate to the definition.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
2:49 pm
Tommy, I take the train, but thanks for asking. Riding a bike on a busy highway isn’t advisable, and illegal.
So according to your logic, anyone who drives a car cannot believe in changing the way we commute? Or can’t be concerned about the method(s) in which we obtain oil?
Truth Squad
October 12th, 2011
2:50 pm
Spineless Democrats=Senator Tester of Montana and Senator Nelson of Nebraska. Nelson will probably lose and Tester gave his base a big reason to not bother voting for him in 2012 which means that by pretending to be a Republican, he increases his chance of losing.
Some of you cannot read or count. Senators Lieberman and Sanders are Independents, not not members of the Democratic Party.
Lastly, we are not broke. If you don’t believe me, listen to Rep. King and other Republicans who are chomping at the bit to go into Iran right now. This country has man-made crises and thus they are fixable. The idea that we can just write of millions of un- and underemployed citizens and still keep a stable country is delusional. The idea that cutting Social Security as we know it, or Medicaid/Medicare as we know them is the path to prosperity is equally delusional and Republicans are going to come to understand this better in 2012.
Last night, not a single potential nominee would speak ill of Wall Street. According to the some kind of alternative universe, it’s all the fault of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Freddie and Fannie, and of course, President Obama! As I said before, out-pf-touch!
Eventually President Obama will have no choice but to tell the country what most of it already knows, austerity does not work in a recession-just ask Europe.
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
2:53 pm
Kyle,
If Barack Obama were to do the thing he is most unqualified for, to do the thing that is anathema to modern Democrat politics, to fulfill the latest constitutional requirement that Democrats avoid like the plague, and pass a budget, rest assured the vote would resemble much more closely 97-0, like his last farce-attempt.
The President is just the guy-who-doesn’t-matter anymore when it comes to serious policy. No one wants a part of him unless a campaign is involved and unless he or other Democrats seek to create the mainstream press’ upheld illusion that the President and Democrats have a clue about America today.
Sorry, meant “Amerika”, in their minds.
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
2:54 pm
Truth….what is there negative to say about Wall Street?
“It is all the fault of Barney Frank”…..I wouldnt say “all” but most.
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
2:54 pm
Kyle,
Also noted that Kasim Reed is going wobbly on us regarding the Woodruff Park dwellers.
Tommy Maddox
October 12th, 2011
3:04 pm
Hey Junior – if the train ran between Kennesaw & Roswell, I’d be on it.
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
3:05 pm
(anything but) Truth,
Eventually President Obama will have no choice but to tell the country what most of it already knows, austerity does not work in a recession-just ask Europe.
Doesn’t work? You saying that because Greece has had its share of malcontents protesting in the streets, just like we have here?
That’s quite a queer view of reality!
Anything but, your views aren’t unique unfortunately; they’re just completely whacky and out of touch with reality.
You think the woodruff park protesters are or represent some sort of neo-reality, that if people protest then something is wrong with what they are protesting? What of the Tea Party? That wierdy logic doesn’t apply to us, one supposes.
Your point of view is difficult to see and presupposes so many false assumptions that nothing but political defeat for your constituency will do. With someone a deluded as you are, I won’t bother posting facts or figures that show what Greece is doing (austerity) must work, for if it doesn’t, Europe’s last back-stop, Germany will go insolvent too, and there will be no one to bail them out. Banks will begin defaulting all over the place, and we’ll have a global catastrophe. All you need do is look at Obama’s poll numbers. The Wall Street focus-diversion away from bad government policies ain’t working, period. It’s not catching the nation on fire and changing anything like the Tea Party did.
What we conservatives can take heart in reassuring ourselves is clearly this: if you think we are out of touch, then we are probably doing the exact right thing for the good of our own politics and for the good of the country.
Truth Squad
October 12th, 2011
3:09 pm
“The items in the American Jobs Act are all quite popular with Democrats and Republicans polled.”
Really? Cite the poll taken on all the individual items, please.
“President Obama’s numbers have been slowly creeping up.”
Ok, Tiberius – Your lightning rod of hate!
Now we all know that you, like most so-called Conservatives/Libertarians are fact-averse but I’ll play along. Here is the NBC/WSJ poll: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/12/8288026-nbcwsj-poll-despite-defeat-obamas-jobs-bill-is-popular ; here’s is Bloomberg/Washington Post:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-10/cain-pulls-even-with-romney-on-economy-for-republican-supporters-in-poll.html
Here is a new PPP poll:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_1011513.pdf
You can also check with other sources, the items in the AJA enjoy overwhelming support. Heck, for fun, why don’t you go on over to the Fox News site and check out their polling on the #OccupyWallStreet movement. You might find it interesting.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
3:12 pm
I hear that statement a lot Tommy, now let your elected officals know.
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
3:15 pm
Truth….you should check out http://www.gallup.com. Can you say 39% and falling?
Dusty
October 12th, 2011
3:16 pm
Junior Samples @2:20
Are you trying to equate new stimulus cost with that of military costs?
Rediculous. “Stimulus” is a nebulous gesture at making jobs. It failed before. Our armed forces are a part of the American policy to defend our country. In other words, “stimulus” is another costly boondoogle in the making. Drop it and forget it.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
3:17 pm
Truth,
While I appreciate that you present facts, it won’t do any good here. It just annoys them. Kind of like some type of beauty enhancement on a farm animal.
UGA 1999
October 12th, 2011
3:18 pm
Junior…still waiting on facts. BTW…we are not annoyed we are all just very amused.
DannyX
October 12th, 2011
3:18 pm
From a Wall St Journal poll being released today,
“… when the legislation’s details are included in a follow-up question — that it would cut payroll taxes, fund new road construction, extend unemployment benefits, and that it would be paid for by increasing taxes on the wealthy — 63 percent say they favor the bill and 32 percent oppose it.
What’s more, 64 percent of respondents agree with the statement that it is a “good idea” to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations, because they should pay their fair share and can afford to pay more to help fund programs and government operations.”
Rafe Hollister
October 12th, 2011
3:20 pm
Please excuse the change of topic, but after seeing the “skirt” issue on the front page I had to get this out or I might explode. Since Emily Post is dead and can’t make any new rules, maybe a Rafe rule: If the length of the skirt is shorter than the width of your butt, please discard.
Now back to Oblamer. He is in full campaign mode, blame the GOP for everything that is wrong, promise mo money for the dumb masses, start work on lining up the buses to the polls, gather the “walking around money”, coordinate with his union bosses to get out the vote and bring in the dues money, and start going to church. Sounds like his plate is full and we won’t hear many more great ideas from him.
He said he is “heartbroken” about the NBA strike, but he has never said that about the economy. We know where his priorities are.
Truth Squad
October 12th, 2011
3:20 pm
What we conservatives can take heart in reassuring ourselves is clearly this: if you think we are out of touch, then we are probably doing the exact right thing for the good of our own politics and for the good of the country.
Well there you have it folks. Finally a lurch into the truth!
By repeating the same counterfactual talking points to each other, conservative give each other comfort and if they feel comfortable, that is good for everyone!
Of course, if Republicans really felt comfortable they wouldn’t have to go passing laws that make it harder to vote. When you make it so that little 96 year ladies can no longer vote you deserve to lose.Does anyone doubt that we’ll see dogs and men with guns at certain polling precincts?
Road Scholar
October 12th, 2011
3:22 pm
calosgov: I wish someone would ask, no tell the two Democrats that they have 2 days to develop a jobs bill or they have to resign. This inaction by all parties is ridiculous. I will vote for a rock before I vote for any Congressional incumbit!
Rafe Hollister
October 12th, 2011
3:24 pm
DannyX
You are right, most Americans agree with the philosphy of give me some more money, and tax that other guy to pay for it.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
3:24 pm
I will not drop it and forget it.
War should be a shared sacrifice.
In WWI and WWII we all were pitched in, bought savings bonds, recycled and donated metal, etc…
Now we borrow Trillions from China to “tide us over”. Increasing the debt of course, but nobody wants to talk about that for fear of being labled “unpatriotic”? In no way am I stating that we should not defend ourselves, but we have to account for what we spend while doing so, and everybody shares the burden.
Road Scholar
October 12th, 2011
3:26 pm
Hey Kyle, let’s start another war! That is the only jobs program the repubs know, or will pass w/o spending cuts!
Or we could tax the top 1% since they are “gods” and have so much to lose. Let them pay for the past two wars through a surcharge!
BlueMoon
October 12th, 2011
3:27 pm
To Truth Squad…since when has government created demand? When has that been the work of the people of this nation? This is a capitalistic society, although I have seen many that wish govt would just take over and care for them recently.
You do realize that for every dollar taken in by govt in the form of taxes that is a dollar that cannot be spent on the free market correct? I’m sure you knew this as you’re obviously highly educated and a student of history. And this money is forcibly taken from people who have EARNED it. And why do you hate rich people? They pay the brunt of the taxes in this country and many of them own/operate businesses that employ millions of people.
And since 9-9-9 is such a joke, why don’t you enlighten us with why? After all, the plan is only brought to you by a rocket scientist, a fed reserve chairman and a corporate turnaround artist. What the hell does he know?
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
3:27 pm
“Some of you cannot read or count. Senators Lieberman and Sanders are Independents, not not members of the Democratic Party.”
Truth Squad, you’re really going to hand your hat on this statement? Really?
That one is a Socialist (closest thing to a Democrat in this country) and one ran as the running mate of a Democrat probably has nothing to do with their politics, right?
Rafe Hollister
October 12th, 2011
3:30 pm
Road
Oblamer has already started two wars, Libya and the Culture War. Not one job created.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
3:32 pm
“War should be a shared sacrifice.
In WWI and WWII we all were pitched in, bought savings bonds, recycled and donated metal, etc…”
Junior, don’t you dare even try to equate WWI and WWII to the misadventures we have undertaken in the past 20 years. And don’t even try to trivialize any terminology regarding “shared sacrifice” unless you’ve been in one of those misadventures, or lost loved ones to them.
DannyX
October 12th, 2011
3:32 pm
“one ran as the running mate of a Democrat probably has nothing to do with their politics, right?”
That independent supported a Republican for president in the last election. Sounds pretty independent to me.
Truth Squad
October 12th, 2011
3:34 pm
It really is sad how some people cling to Gallup polling this far out. Their track record this far out is extremely low. I’d show you the data, but it really would do much good.
That said, President Obama’s numbers are still way better than those of the Republicans. With the economy sluggish, and potential Republican nominees enjoying a honeymoon period, one would expect President Obama’s numbers to be much much worse. But they’re not and that is why smart Republicans are still looking for a champion. It is also why Republican legislatures and Governors are screwing around with voter laws and electoral vote rigging.
Republicans know down deep that they have lost young voters, people of color and women. So now they are trying to carve the country up so that only traditional Republican voters get to vote without jumping through hoops.
Truth Squad
October 12th, 2011
3:38 pm
Senator Lieberman lost the Democratic primary in Connecticut. He was a featured guest at the Republican Convention. He killed the Public Option and Medicare-Buy in.
He will be missed, by Republicans.
Dusty
October 12th, 2011
3:39 pm
Well, it does look like we have some liberal bloggers from the down town Occupy Your Park unit. TRUTH SQUAD for one.
Mayor Reed sounds a bit unsure but tired about such people. He noticed that “occupiers” were damaging public property and violating Atlanta laws. VIOLATING LAWS?? And the mayor’s got to think about it?
So the mob unit declares it’s own fanciful “demands”. Rename a city park after Troy Davis, a man condemned for killing a policeman. Then Mayor Reed should spend the night with them. And last, no one camped in a public park (or beseiging banks) should be arrested.
I’m surprised they did not ask for better accomodations at the Ritz Carlton. Perhaps the city jail might be more comfortable when enough is enough.
Rafe Hollister
October 12th, 2011
3:40 pm
Truth Squad
The ole Voter intimidation ruse again? Every election, the GOP is intimidating the poor voters. Yet, never has anyone produced a person who was intimidated or denied their “legal” right to vote. They drag up morons who try to vote in districts they do not live in or use multiple alias and are not sure which one they used to register to vote. Same ole tired bullhockey, anyone who is legal and truly wants to vote, votes.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
3:40 pm
Tibby, trivialize terminology?
On the contrary. Of course you’ve missed my point, but that’s why your here. So I’ll try to simplify this this for you.
Going to war costs money, lots of it.
We have to pay for it.
The end.
BlueMoon
October 12th, 2011
3:45 pm
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/10/12/poll-herman-cain-rick-perry-mitt-romney-all-beat-obama
Here’s a poll showing that Cain, Perry or Romney would ALL beat Obama if the election were held today so I’m not sure why some of you are saying his popularity is still high. It’s just not true.
And why dem’s hold onto Obama when he:
1. Appoints Czars who are known marxists, one of which believes in population thinning through chemical means. (science czar)
2. Believes in forming a national police force (right on youtube)
3. Said on the floor of the Illinois Senate that babies that live through abortion procedures should be left to die (again, on youtube)
4. He, along with Holder, dropped an open and shut case against the black panthers for voter intimidation
5. Appointed Holder, who has openly stated that blackness is more important than policy
6. Has been out giving speeches recently with the head of the new black panther party
There are many more but those alone should make you run away screaming.
Dusty
October 12th, 2011
3:49 pm
Road Scholar
“Let’s declare another war!”. You anti-war people are sadly rediculous. Then you try to make out it is the cost that bothers you.
The truth is you don’t give a snap whether this country has armed forces to protect us or not. You act like it is all “playing war”.
Get some toy soldiers and play your little games. Our military are risking their lives for you right now and you act like they are not needed. PLease go away. You disgrace our country.
Truth Squad
October 12th, 2011
3:52 pm
And since 9-9-9 is such a joke, why don’t you enlighten us with why? After all, the plan is only brought to you by a rocket scientist, a fed reserve chairman and a corporate turnaround artist.
Well there you go. No need to go any further than your own words as to why we should ignore this particular gimmick.
To Truth Squad…since when has government created demand? When has that been the work of the people of this nation?
Have you not heard of the New Deal, the WPA, WW II, the G.I. Bill, creation of the federal highways, Hoover Dam, airports, bringing electricity to rural areas, Medicare, Food Stamps, Unemployment Insurance, deregulation, FDIC, SEC,Social Security, etc…
There is much much more, but some have been brainwashed to believe the government is useless and that if we adopted a more Social Darwinian country, everything would be just great.
WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT! If it’s not working, we fix it, we don’t end it. Some of you really should take time and go read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Read them by yourself without any comment or interpretation by any politician or anyone pimping any particular political ideology. Too many of us have been lead to believe that it is no longer about “we the people”, but “those who have money and connections”.
Truth Squad
October 12th, 2011
4:01 pm
Sorry Dusty, I grew up in a quite Republican suburb of the metro area. I did have sense enough to get the heck out as soon as I could so I could enjoy diversity of people, thought, ideas, political philosophies, etc…
I was raised Southern Baptist as well.
I am politically Independent.
I know this state quite well, and I know it is a purple state. Not liberal, not extreme right, but purple. I have all the faith in the world that voters will not accept incompetent underperforming state government for much longer. The days of getting elected simply because you hate Atlanta are coming to end. We need to get this state moving again and Republicans have had their chance and blown it. Time to take personal responsibility y’all love to talk about so much.
BlueMoon
October 12th, 2011
4:06 pm
Truth Squad…of course you didn’t respond to 999, you have no response.
“Have you not heard of the New Deal, the WPA, WW II, the G.I. Bill, creation of the federal highways, Hoover Dam, airports, bringing electricity to rural areas”
I’ll go with you on these items…as they are an integral part of govt. Giving people a welfare state to live off of is another. The problem with govt entitlement programs is that they NEVER adhere to the original intent and always grow vastly larger than intended. ALWAYS.
But in no way, shape or form will I ever believe that providing retirement and medical care to the masses is a viable function of govt. It is a function of the people. Should we have a fall back for those of us who cannot do for themselves? I believe so. But notice I said cannot, not will not.
Providing a common defense and infrastructure are constitutional powers afforded the govt, what we have now is govt run amok. What you would call for is completely unsustainable. Nearly 50% of all Americans no longer pay federal income taxes. ALL MUST CHIP IN. If you don’t have a vested interest in the game the game doesn’t concern you and votes can be bought much too easily.
That’s not a republic, it’s a democracy where mob rules and a simple majority vote wins. We’re dangerously close to this becoming a reality.
@@
October 12th, 2011
4:09 pm
It really is sad how some people cling to Gallup polling this far out.
Avoid Jay Bookman’s blog then. When he’s not “chartering”, that man DANCES on poles.
His is sovereign territory conferring certain rights and privileges on selective individuals. I don’t happen to be one of ‘em.
Forever exiled.
@@
October 12th, 2011
4:11 pm
I am politically Independent.
thbppbt
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
4:13 pm
“Going to war costs money, lots of it.
We have to pay for it.”
Junior, going to war costs LIVES. The money is irrelevant after that.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
4:16 pm
“I am politically Independent.”
In the immortal words of the citizens of Sherwood Forest in “Robin Hood – Men In Tights”:
Bull s – - t!
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
4:20 pm
@@, I’m not sure if I’m permanently in exile from Bookman’s blog, but I sure tried hard enough to get that way.
Rafe Hollister
October 12th, 2011
4:27 pm
@@
Being banned from Bookman should be considered a virtue. I went over today and read for a few minutes and realized, I am done here, he is down to a few synchophants and well wishers that pat each other on the back and reinforce each others twisted logic. I don’t think I will even read his post anymore.
Jefferson
October 12th, 2011
4:27 pm
The GOP want to hurt the country as seen by their vote.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 12th, 2011
4:38 pm
Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals
Bring it on!
But, uh, you may want to update your last will and testament first, just sayin…
markie mark
October 12th, 2011
4:39 pm
Yahtzee @ 2:22 just gave the best political commentary in a brief statement than I have seen all year…
Filter
October 12th, 2011
4:50 pm
Dear Dusty,
You can condescend all you want but he reality is that cutting spending alone will not solve this problem anymore than raising taxes alone will solve the problem. You can claim all day long that you speak for “we the citizens” but you don’t speak for me or roughly half of the country. Now if you want to fall back to the tried and true tactic of claiming a purer American pedigree then mine I do understand, but it will give no more validity to your talking points than the cup of coffee on my desk.
We have a spending problem…..we need to cut spending.
We also have a revenue problem…..we need to raise revenue.
Pretty simple actually.
That’s the way out and contrary to what you believe as many people understand that as support your failed “trickle down” idea.
@@
October 12th, 2011
5:04 pm
Tiberius:
It wasn’t that hard. Prove one of his lapdogs wrong and BOOM…you’re outta there.
Rafe:
Mutual admiration is what he demands. Less consideration for those whose feelings aren’t mutual.
He’s got his own little tick…tick…ticker tape parade goin’ on over there. Lotta lip service offered up on behalf of free speech. Talk’s cheap.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
5:08 pm
I was just done with his double-standard cherry-picking nonsense and called him a moron.
@@
October 12th, 2011
5:13 pm
Way ahead of ya’ guys!
Wall Street Protests Get Specific: Could ‘Bank Transfer Day’ Pit Americans Against Their Big Banks?
The growing anger directed at U.S. banks (especially the big ones that took federal bailout funds) over recent fee increases coalesced this weekend into a Facebook-driven campaign urging Americans to close their accounts at large banks and move their money to credit unions by Nov. 5.
Kinda slow, aren’t they?
@@
October 12th, 2011
5:17 pm
Tiberius:
called him a moron.
That won’t get you banned.
Picking on his girlfriends WILL.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
5:21 pm
Oh yeah it did, @@ !
To be truthful, he told me to stop using that word when describing his pet, Joe Mama, so I just used it on Bookman and . . .
ragnar danneskjold
October 12th, 2011
5:54 pm
Knowing the bill could never have passed the house, I kinda wish the senate republicans had not blocked a final vote on the bill, to smoke out the cowards among the leftists.
Dear @@ @ 1:18, mea culpa. The minute I hit “send” I regretted the inappropriate language. I usually do a better job censoring my own material, but I was posting too much too quickly. Inexcusable nevertheless. I am honored to be compared to Mr. Cain, my choice for 2012, even if the comparison is hyperbole.
resno2
October 12th, 2011
5:55 pm
what’s the Republican equivalent of the Black Panthers?
ragnar danneskjold
October 12th, 2011
6:04 pm
Dear Kyle, I suspect you still follow the events in Belgium. Has anyone suggested something like the Belgian solution (aka the Swiss solution) as the cure for the political impasse here in the US? I know it would be disparaged as a Perry-like call for secession, but I like the idea of so-diminishing the role of the central government.
@@
October 12th, 2011
6:07 pm
so I just used it on Bookman and . . .
BOOM? Not even a Dear John letter?
Ragnar:
No apologies necessary. Hyperbole? No way…you have the gift.
I’m still a huge fan. Can’t cheer you on from the bleachers, but from beneath…I see all.
(ISH)
Road Scholar
October 12th, 2011
6:11 pm
Dusty: ” You anti-war people are sadly rediculous. Then you try to make out it is the cost that bothers you.”
Wrong again. Try to think back…now try harder…remember that the Iraq and Afganastan wars were never in the Bush budgets! Ya know…before deficits mattered???
“The truth is you don’t give a snap whether this country has armed forces to protect us or not.”
Strike two.
As for the last comment, KMA. You don’t know me, or my thoughts, but I support our troops and the superior job that they have done and are doing. I do not support the “chest beaters” that say go to war and then send someone else’s sons and daughters to do their dirty deeds.
@@
October 12th, 2011
6:18 pm
OMAHA, Nebraska– Three conservation groups are suing to halt preliminary work on a proposed 1,700-mile oil pipeline from the tar sands of western Canada to Texas Gulf Coast refineries.
The lawsuit filed Wednesday in federal court in Nebraska contends that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service broke the law by allowing Canadian pipeline operator TransCanada to start preparing the route for its Keystone XL pipeline.
Environmentalists won’t be happy until we’re all riding horseback.
Yeehaw! I’m good to go. The environmentalists can follow behind with a big pooper scooper.
Junior Samples
October 12th, 2011
6:51 pm
Tiber, I respect your point as that is always the worst decision a President or leader will have to make.
saywhat?
October 12th, 2011
7:00 pm
resno2
October 12th, 2011
5:55 pm
“what’s the Republican equivalent of the Black Panthers?”
I think its called the U.S. House of Hepresentatives.
saywhat?
October 12th, 2011
7:02 pm
“Representatives”
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 12th, 2011
7:57 pm
CJ: So it comes down to this: My Idiot Messiah, in the midst of a jobs crisis and intense public demand for presidential leadership, proposes an ineffective tax increase bill that will do nothing to create real jobs, all for purely political reasons.
—————–
No libtards were harmed in the fixing of the above post.
@@
October 12th, 2011
7:58 pm
U.S. manufacturing jobs go begging without skilled workers
Manufacturing is hurt by a dearth of skilled workers. “What we have been saying for quite a while is that even though there is a high unemployment rate, it’s very difficult to find skilled people,” said Jeff Owens, president of Advanced Technology Services Inc., an Illinois-based manufacturing consulting services company.
Most of the jobs hard to fill are for skilled trades, Internet technology, engineers, sales representatives and machine operators.
Yet U.S. universities and colleges are producing fewer math and science graduates as students favour social sciences, whose workload is perceived to be manageable, leading to a skills mismatch.
Social Sciences!!??!! Guilty as charged.
Social scientists study all aspects of society including human behavior, relationships among different groups of people and past events and achievements.They set out to understand and explain why humans make certain decisions, how and why we exercise power and our responses to change.Based on their studies, they suggest solutions to social, business, personal, governmental and environmental issues.
What can I say? I was a liberal back then. I honestly believed I could change the world.
I am…one special child at a time. That’s enough to keep me happy.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 12th, 2011
8:03 pm
Our libtard-operated school system produces lazy, entitlement-minded, stupid job candidates with exceedingly high self esteem.
Sound like any “Occupy” protesters you’ve seen lately?
@@
October 12th, 2011
8:04 pm
President Obama formally extended his ear to evangelicals ahead of the 2012 election, meeting with top leaders of the National Association of Evangelicals in the White House for about 30 minutes on Wednesday (Oct. 12).
Pandering to the evangelicals!!??!! How dare he…
Doesn’t he know that evangelical CHRISTIANS are the enemy to his base!!??!!
@@
October 12th, 2011
8:08 pm
Our libtard-operated school system produces lazy, entitlement-minded, stupid job candidates with exceedingly high self esteem.
Gimme a break! I was 19 years old. It was an easy degree.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 12th, 2011
8:12 pm
@@, I think the suckiness in public schooling probably really ramped up beginning with the Clinton administration. Don’t know your age, perhaps you are of a sufficient age to have not experienced that.
@@
October 12th, 2011
8:17 pm
Oh my!
(10-12) 15:51 PDT Washington — California House Democrats ripped the Obama administration Wednesday for inaction on home foreclosures, accusing the White House of “asinine” policies and saying the president could pass all the jobs bills he wants but won’t fix the economy until the housing sector recovers.
LB:
Missed it by one president.
@@
October 12th, 2011
8:35 pm
Oh my, again!
Gavin Newsom draws boos by blasting Democrats–SFGate
Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom caused a bit of a stir the other day at a Democratic gathering in Half Moon Bay, chiding party leaders from President Obama on down for not doing enough to fix the economy.
Among the Newsom jabs:
– Obama should have pushed his agenda harder when the Democrats still controlled both houses of Congress – a remark that drew a handful of boos from the audience.
Conservatives have been making that same argument? why…Why…WHY!!!
– Sacramento hasn’t done enough to promote job growth – in fact, the state’s efforts are “laughable” – and Texas Gov. and GOP presidential hopeful Rick Perry had the right idea in sending out iPhones loaded with promos about his state to CEOs.
Maybe he should head West after those disparaging comments.
Hillbilly D
October 12th, 2011
9:14 pm
This is totally off-topic but only in America…………
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44875752/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/i-am-really-scared-family-lost-corn-maze-calls-help/?GT1=43001
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
9:15 pm
Please note Lucko’s cartoon for tomorrow and how the liberal can’t bring himself to criticize Obama under any circumstances;. According to him we have nitwits marching on Wall Street, and we have Wall Street marching on the capitol of all places. Lucko’s is funny in a sad sort of way.
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
9:20 pm
what’s the Republican equivalent of the Black Panthers?
I would say the police.
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
9:28 pm
Tiberius,
I once wrote a short rebuttal to something Cynthia Tucker wrote on her blog–maybe 2 or three sentences long. I was banned for it, and by nother name and process of elimination I found out why. Her blog was programmed to eliminate the word “naive” and ban it.
I couldn’t help but wondering if she actually knew what the word meant and the consequent irony.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)
October 12th, 2011
10:16 pm
Luckovich has truly refined his “hate America first” approach and is a joke to patriotic, moral, working people. That probably means it’s Pulitzer time again.
@@
October 12th, 2011
10:25 pm
Hillbilly:
Lost in a corn maze? If I stayed on the path, I’da been lost too. The shortest distance between where I was and where I wanted to be? Straight line.
Bye bye, corn stalks.
Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!
October 12th, 2011
10:30 pm
fast and Furious, that is ONE columnist I don’t miss one bit.
She pandered to the worst nature she could find.
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
10:41 pm
Now she’ll be ought bringing out the worst in her students at UGA.
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
10:48 pm
Rafe @427,
I agree. When he talks about Republicans and picks our winners, I can’t take it anymore. I used to voice myself more aggressively with him, and it was a mistake. I was more like that jerk AmVet with all kinds of bluster. Didn’t work and Jay seemed to like the fireworks anyway.
Now I’m more sedate and more intellectual, and I don’t argue with any of the truthers or any of the vitriolic kooks on his site. I figure to debate with them is to take their words seriously to begin with.
The arguments are circular, essentially: you’re biased if you’re Republican, and you’re Republican because your either blind or stupid, unaware that Jewish bankers are stealing from us, (you slave). For those guys, I spend my time not blogging, but supporting candidates I appreciate, because absolutely nothing but political defeat will affect the kooks at all. Put them and their president out of power.
Fast and Furious Spending
October 12th, 2011
11:19 pm
@@,
I made the mistake of studying history back then. I was stupid too. But eventually I found my inner engineer and went back to school for it–though the timing was bad and the employment prospects worse, I’m at least employed in my field.
Just curious. What do you do?
Voice of Reason
October 13th, 2011
11:32 am
Why don’t those that support this bill pay for it themselves and exempt the rest of us from it.
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October 13th, 2011
11:32 am
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October 13th, 2011
4:26 pm
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