Isakson opposes U.N. recognition of Palestinian state outside peace process

We appear to be headed toward a showdown at the United Nations later this week concerning Palestinians’ attempt to bypass the peace process with Israel and win international recognition for a state of their own. Israel’s government has long accepted the principle of a two-state solution to the world’s thorniest conflict. But the Palestinian Authority’s dalliances with Hamas — the terrorist group that controls the Gaza Strip and refuses to recognize Israel’s right to exist — has prevented any progress on the outstanding issues between the two sides, such as the borders of each state. Now, Palestinian leaders are going for broke at the U.N. General Assembly in New York this week.

One person who’s been active in trying to forestall such a development is Georgia’s Johnny Isakson, who serves on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He’s co-signed letters to leaders of African nations asking them to vote against recognition of a Palestinian state (he’s ranking member of Foreign Relations’ subcommittee on Africa) and a bipartisan letter to President Obama asking him “to speak strongly, forthrightly and publicly about U.S. concerns over these developments. …[and] to make it clear that we will not tolerate continued threats to Israel by governments or individuals in the region or attempts to delegitimize Israel at the UN or other international forums.”

“I found it almost unbelievable,” Isakson told me by phone Tuesday, “that the entity that created the state of Israel 60 years ago, the U.N., would consider giving statehood recognition to the Palestinians when they will not recognize Israel’s right to exist.”

Such recognition, Isakson said, would “take away any carrot to the Palestinians” to continue peace negotiations with Israel and would be “a bad precedent for the U.N. to establish.”

While he said he was confident the United States would veto such recognition at the U.N. Security Council, he also said a lesser form of statehood recognition by the entire U.N. General Assembly would also mean “less of a reason for the Palestinians to be honest negotiators.”

He also pointed out that the statehood issue doesn’t necessarily concern all of the Palestinian people: “There are 7 million people in Israel. One million of them are Palestinians who vote, live there, pay taxes and participate in society.”

Ultimately, the kind of statehood recognition the Palestinians seek a the U.N. this week is only going to make it more difficult to reach a durable agreement with Israel. Let’s hope for success from all efforts to avoid such an outcome.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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56 comments Add your comment

arnold

September 21st, 2011
5:23 am

This is probably the only time I’ve ever agreed with you.

ByteMe

September 21st, 2011
6:10 am

“I found it almost unbelievable,” Isakson told me by phone Tuesday, “that the entity that created the state of Israel 60 years ago, the U.N., would consider giving statehood recognition to the Palestinians when they will not recognize Israel’s right to exist.”

Like, say, Iran? Unbelievable.

My concern isn’t Hamas or even terrorism. It’s this: how exactly do you have a “state” that is geographically split with no obvious way to connect them without going across another state’s land or airspace? Seems like two states and not one. Or that a trade is possible.

Churchill's MOM.....Ron Paul for President

September 21st, 2011
6:26 am

300,000 crazy people who call their self “settlers” determine the USA’s foreign policy.

Yessir

September 21st, 2011
6:50 am

Kyle, you are so good at spewing back out conservative talking points.

george

September 21st, 2011
6:53 am

The Palestinian people have a right to self-determination. It is not the right of the US to decide or to intervene. Israel will go on and nothing can change that. The UN should be the body that assist with a lasting agreement between Israel and Palestine. Palestinians should not have to depend on the whims or will of Israel or the US and should never be subject to any agreement that favors Israel over the rights of Palestinians. The world will not sit by and allow Israel to keep Palestinians in an eternal limbo designed to destroy them.

Norcross

September 21st, 2011
7:18 am

If statehood were granted to this bifurcated territory, would the UN enforce sanctions when Palestinians fire rockets into Israel, or when Israel sends tanks into Palestine? Would Hamas recognize Israel’s right to exist once the world recognizes Palestine’s right to exist? Probably not.

jt

September 21st, 2011
7:53 am

Hey Isackson………..when the UN partitioned Britain’s Palestine mandate in 1947 it called for a Jewish and Palestinian state to be created therefrom.
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Although I am glad Isackson is concentrating on something else instead of what he usually does………….(bilking taxpayers on useless green energy crony projects and growing government)…………….he should just STFU and mind his own bidness.

Streetracer

September 21st, 2011
7:58 am

Read an analysis of the Israeli-Palestanian conflict years ago. This analysist’s opinion was that if the PLO (read Hamas now) would unilateraly disarm, the conflict would cease. However, if Israel were to unilateraly disarm, it would cease to exist.

GT

September 21st, 2011
8:17 am

Perry in New York courting the Jewish vote for the Tea Party with a straight face is a picture for the ages. If he can pull that marriage off the Palestanian conflict is child’s play.

Buzz G

September 21st, 2011
8:24 am

For the last 50 years I have been reading about this conflict. I figured I had no dog in this fight and had no interest in the goings on in the middle east. On 9/11/2001 it became clear that I did have a dog in this fight. I realized what the Israelis were up against. They are sitting smack dab in the middle of a half billion Muslims, many of whom are radicalized and intolerant of anyone who does not bow to Mecca. If ever a people were in need of a big brother to protect them, it is the Israelis. The day we do not stand up for them is the day they will cease to exist. Muslims will finish what Hitler started.

carlosgvv

September 21st, 2011
8:36 am

From the day Israel was established till now, there has been constant tension and much fighting between the Palestinians and Israel. The Palestinians believe ALL of the land currently occupied by Israel is theirs, and generation after generation of their youth are indoctrinated from an early age into that belief. Israel believes God gave them that land and generation after generation of their youth are indoctrinated into that belief. As long as both groups claim the same land, there will never be peace. So, based on 60 years of history in that region, there will be no peace in the foreseeable future no matter how many “talks” take place. No matter what your age is here, do not expect peace in that region in your lifetimes.

Aurelius

September 21st, 2011
8:46 am

The UN that recognized Israel is not the UN that exist today. Simply look at the number of members. The UN General Assembly is an assembly of “third world” nations.

President Bush insisted on the Palestinians right to hold elections. The Palestinian people elected Hamas. The rest is history.

Candidate Perry wants to end US aid to the Palestinians. We give aid to the Palestians with the active approval and at the request of the Israelis. If someone knows Perry you might let him know.

Is Turkey about to become a “former” NATO member?

Is there a reason NATO needs to continue to exist?

JF McNamara

September 21st, 2011
9:14 am

I say let it happen. I could care less about Israel or Palestine. I’ve never been to either and never plan on going, and in the grand scheme of things they are not important to the U.S. I’m tired, very tired in fact, of dealing with their mess though and having Israel be a country that we have to answer to (even though they are a U.S. welfare state).

They’ve been negotiating forever, and won’t ever have an agreement. Let the UN set the borders, recognize the state, and tell Israel and Palestine to STFU about it. If Israel gets mad at the U.S. over it then end both financial and military aid to their country and tell them they can handle it however they feel they need to. Go be sovereign and see how long you last.

Jefferson

September 21st, 2011
9:23 am

Those folks, like yourself and the so called good senator will do what they feel is in their own best interest. Give em’ a flag, then Israel will know who to shoot at.

Uga 1999

September 21st, 2011
9:25 am

Carlos that is one of the most intelligent comments I have ever seen you post….good job.

Dirty Dawg

September 21st, 2011
10:03 am

Carlos and Uga99…that’s just stupid. Palestinians have long since resolved that they won’t be getting it all back and have given up on that tired old bromide you guys spout. Every every negotiation, yes even the ones Bush’s people did – like the roadmap – has included a return of the land seized in the ‘67 war, or whichever ‘walkover’ it was, and Israel has failed to live up to all of ‘em…including the Mid-east Accords – Camp David, et. al. – that while Egypt has gone along with the ‘deal’, Israel hasn’t.

When you talk about a ‘terrorist group’ in charge (aka, elected) in Gaza, why don’t you talk about the ‘right-wing’ government of Israel that manipulates our mid-east foreign policy at every turn and is responsible for every ‘military action’ we’ve ever engaged in that part of the world – and if it ain’t Israel, it’s oil…how sick are we?

Uga 1999

September 21st, 2011
10:07 am

Dirty Dawg….”right wing terrorist group”….HAHAHA you lost the arguement right there! Great job!

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

September 21st, 2011
10:14 am

How can the U.N. even consider granting statehood to an organization that hasn’t yet renounced their stated goal to destroy their potential neighbor?

The U.N. is a world-wide joke.

Uga 1999

September 21st, 2011
10:24 am

Tiberius….agreed. The UN does about as much for world peace as the NAACP does for advancing colored people….haha.

Ayn Rant

September 21st, 2011
11:23 am

A political stunt by a another know-nothing, do-nothing Senator! Isakson is interfering in the constitutional authority of the President to conduct foreign relations. Isakson’s constitutional authority is limited to advising the President. He should not be contacting foreign leaders.

He’s courting the Jewish vote on the assumption that American Jews are stupid enough to vote for any hack politician who denounces Palestinians. His support of “negotiations” as a means of settling the Israel/Palestinian problem is naive: the Israeli government has never negotiated the issue in good faith and has never proposed a boundary alignment for a Palestinian state.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

September 21st, 2011
11:32 am

Rant, not even close.

In case you missed it, there are two words that are used when describing the role of a U.S. Senator in regards to foreign relations: “advise” and “consent”. He is not even remotely interfering, and has every right to contact other foreign leaders.

Bart Abel

September 21st, 2011
12:05 pm

RE: “Ultimately, the kind of statehood recognition the Palestinians seek a the U.N. this week is only going to make it more difficult to reach a durable agreement with Israel.”
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There will never be an agreement with Israel as long as Israel insists on maintaining and growing settlements on Palestinian land beyond the constraints of the ‘67 borders. For some mysterious reason, American politicians and pundits are determined to convince Americans that the oppressed are responsible for their oppression. Fortunately, the rest of the world knows better.

independent thinker

September 21st, 2011
12:26 pm

These so called Palestinians were given the right to have their own state by the UN in 1948 and instead tried to drive Israel into the sea with armed forces of 5 or 6 friendly Arab states. They got their rear end kicked by a helpless nation. Worse yet many of them fled Israel rather than participate in a democratic state that gives equal rights to Arabs, These poor wretched refugees most of whom are virulently anti- semitic have lived on UN welfare (UNRWA) and handouts (mostly from the US) as special refugees since 1948 while 800,000 jews were evicted from Arab nations. The Jewish refugees were all absorbed into Israeli society while the Arabs remain in a dependent state. They tried again in 1967 and 1972 to have their buds kick Israel out and they lost all claim to their land . That;s what happens when you continuously attack a neighbor- life sucks when you are a three time loser. Just remember them cheering on 9-11 when the towers fell. .They had their chance in 1948 and they blew it.So what do we and Israel owe them? Zero

Odis

September 21st, 2011
12:46 pm

Well part of the problem is that Isreal continues to steal land that does not belong to them, throwing out the rightful owners and building settlements on that land. Does anyone honestly think that Isreal has a right to do this or has any intentions on giving back this land? Neither party has clean hands in the conflict and our national security has suffered as a result of our blind allegiance to Isreal.

Metro Coach

September 21st, 2011
12:57 pm

independent thinker, that might be the best paragraph-long synopsis of the history of the Middle East from 1948 to the present I’ve ever read. Telling Israel to give back land they won after they were attacked is asinine. Its like losing a bet at a table in Vegas and saying “Hey, not fair, I want my money back.” Some of you folks are so deep into liberal revisionist history you have no idea what the truth is, and the rest of you know the truth and just don’t care. Not sure which is worse.

Uncle Jed

September 21st, 2011
1:01 pm

Uga 1999

September 21st, 2011
10:24 am
Tiberius….agreed. The UN does about as much for world peace as the NAACP does for advancing colored people….haha.
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It has been my experience that many “advocacy groups” are in it for the money/power/or personal enrichment. AARP comes to mind.

Metro Coach

September 21st, 2011
1:01 pm

Odis, last time I checked, the spoils of war are not “stolen goods.”

Uncle Jed

September 21st, 2011
1:06 pm

Odis, last time I checked, the spoils of war are not “stolen goods.”
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Yep. When you decide to step up on the porch and kick the dog that subsequently bites off your nose and swallows it; your nose then belongs to the dog.

Stevie Ray

September 21st, 2011
2:56 pm

Kyle,

Can someone provide me a cogent argument as to why we continue to finance and defend the Israel experiment. Let them fight their own battles as they have become more like a distant, religiously discriminatory 52nd state of ours with exception to the fact we get nada in return. Hell, they don’t even have any oil!

As it is, it will likely be a couple of generations before these two entities can pretend to see eye to eye. If my innocent child was struck down dead by indiscriminate bomb or bullet, I and my offspring would likely want pay-back.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

September 21st, 2011
3:26 pm

“Can someone provide me a cogent argument as to why we continue to finance and defend the Israel experiment.”

Oh, it might have something to do with the millions of Jews killed during the Holocaust, or the shipload of refugees we turned away during WWII. Maybe it has something to do with the only REAL democracy in the Middle East. Maybe we just think that their owed a bit of stability on our nickle.

“Let them fight their own battles ”

They do. Rather well, in fact. Which is the crux of this issue in trying to get back land lost in wars that were won by Israel.

ragnar danneskjold

September 21st, 2011
3:31 pm

I think it necessary to recognize the state before you commence bombing.

Dusty

September 21st, 2011
3:55 pm

Very few people in this world want other humans to suffer hunger, poverty and gun battles. We don’t wish it for Palestinians. But..Palestinians have had the chance for a reputable nation many times. They have instead chosen to hate Israel and not recognize it as a sovereign state. They have supported Hamas in the Gaza strip, a group labeled as terrorists by the USA.

Now the Palestinians think they have found another way to get statehood by siding with the UN to get them to declare Palestine a nation. Having shown little evidence of Palistinian self sufficiency, the UN should not involve itself in Palistinian statehood issues.

If the US wants to work with Palestine, we have to remember that Hamas/Gaza would be part of such a nation. That is hard to overlook. Isakson knows that too.

Hillbilly D

September 21st, 2011
5:56 pm

In order for a two state solution to work, both states have to recognize that the other has a right to exist. Ultimately, it’s in those two state’s hand. Others can offer advice and try to nudge them in the right direction but it’s up to them to settle it.

I think that will only come, if and when, the common people on each side decide that they’ve had enough of the killing.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

September 21st, 2011
6:03 pm

Our Nobel Peace Prize-winning Idiot Messiah certainly doesn’t have much to show for his brilliance, his genius, his bravery in taking on the world’s most serious international issues.

Fail.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

September 21st, 2011
6:05 pm

We learn more about our resident all-caps poster all the time. Today, for example, we learn that he’s an anti-Semitic bigot.

Tiberius - Your lightning rod of hate!

September 21st, 2011
7:07 pm

Nice to see that all-caps moron is still at the public library using the free computer time we paid for.

Try reading a book sometime, STUPID.

Dusty

September 21st, 2011
7:18 pm

Absolutely, HillBilly D

When the people get tired of the bloodshed and the battle, then they might get together and work out something. But it surely is taking a long time!

Dusty

September 21st, 2011
7:21 pm

Stupid Poor…

What do you think the USA should say to the UN about Palestine?

Dusty

September 21st, 2011
7:23 pm

Does anyone have “intuition” about the BRAVES game just starting?

I say the BRAVES are going to WIN!!!

Hillbilly D

September 21st, 2011
7:30 pm

Dusty

The stats on the Marlin’s pitcher looks like the Braves better make their at bats count, tonight.

Hillbilly D

September 21st, 2011
7:33 pm

It has been my experience that many “advocacy groups” are in it for the money/power/or personal enrichment. AARP comes to mind.

They’ve become nothing more than clearing house to peddle term life insurance policies. I cancelled my membership more than a year ago and they still fill my mailbox with that stuff.

Martin Williams

September 21st, 2011
8:27 pm

Kyle, The United States of America and rest of the world should totally stop fooling/lying to the rest of us with some sense about peace between Israel and Palestin. These idiots never want peace especially Israel. The United States have a lot blood in their hands of the killing of innocent children from both sides. Also, a lot of blood money in U.S. banks and then you all wonder including you as writer why the world economy is in such a disaster. Listen to Rick Perry the GOP flage bearer to be. He is saying the same old stupid things we hear from every politician about Israel. You all know as writers that Israel does not want peace and they control everything in the United States. they have over 4000 lobbyist in DC.

Dusty

September 21st, 2011
8:42 pm

HillBilly D

The BRAVES are falling behind a bit. Lowe is pitching and he seems to have bad luck every time. I hope he can bring this one about. The BRAVES need it and he does too.

Dusty

September 21st, 2011
8:47 pm

Martine Williams,

What makes you think Jews control the USA? If they did, I think our economy would be a lot better. That’s a heap of lobbyists but it takes more than lobbyists to control a country. What gave you such irresponsible ideas about Jews in the USA or anywhere else?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 21st, 2011
9:12 pm

What is this, the kook forum?

I hope all you Jews are paying attention, the punk, lazy ass no account mealy mouth liberals tell you to your face what they think of your persecution, both historical and modern day, seems to me like they want you wiped out.

Vote dummycrat and die, if you must.

Uncle Jed

September 21st, 2011
9:23 pm

Hillbilly D

September 21st, 2011
7:33 pm
It has been my experience that many “advocacy groups” are in it for the money/power/or personal enrichment. AARP comes to mind.

They’ve become nothing more than clearing house to peddle term life insurance policies. I cancelled my membership more than a year ago and they still fill my mailbox with that stuff.
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As did I. For a while I would take the time (waste my time) to open the various sales pitch offerings from the insurance companies and write on the reply form that I opposed AARP and thus, them. I was under no illusion that it would make a difference or that anyone would take notice. It was cathartic nevertheless. I get much less junk mail from AARP now than before for some reason.

BTW- Good to see you again, if only in name. I had to leave the “dark place”.

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September 21st, 2011
10:06 pm

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Intown

September 21st, 2011
10:52 pm

Kyle: I agree with Johnny Isakson. But your choice of where to put your emphasis is so biased it erodes your intellectual integrity. Your headline could just have easily interchanged “Barack Obama” for “Johnny Isakson” but, whatever.

Emonjanique

September 21st, 2011
11:35 pm

The President could appease the critics of his opposition to the statehood thing by offering to give the Palestinians blanket refugee status.

That way they could all come to America, get on welfare and food stamps (aka SNAP) and live happily ever after.

independent thinker

September 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

Emonjanique – They have permanent refugee status from the UN and get tons of aid which goes to the top leaders and is siphoned off to Swiss bank accounts- it pays to be dependent permanently. I bet if they become a state they will ask for even more aid from the world so they can arm themselves to the teeth.