The Obama administration ignores Congress, takes immigration law into its own hands

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
8:45 am

How’s that 13 percent approval rating for Congress working for ya, Kyle. And I too read about the release of those two teenagers that were arrested and jailed because their parents brought them to Georgia illegally. If only they had murdered or raped or robbed or broke some law besides just being here, wouldn’t you feel so much better knowing that those tax dollars were going for keeping such criminals behind bars! The horror of it all! Isn’t that right, Kyle.

Joe The Plumber too.

August 24th, 2011
8:51 am

yeah phil, tell that to the Ca. parents of the four year old killed the other day by the illegal alien driver. Now that the POS is a criminal I guess he can be deported under barry the boy blunders new rules. Worked out great didn’t it.

Chip

August 24th, 2011
8:53 am

What? How dare anyone question King Ozbama, the Great! All you little people and “bitter clingers” need to shut up, do as you are told, and send in all your money.

Common Sense

August 24th, 2011
8:55 am

And if Congress does not step up and stop Obama, that % approval for Congress will drop even lower….

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
8:56 am

Sure Joe. Now tell us all about the non-illegal alien drivers that get involved in fatal accidents. Let’s just round up everyone that doesn’t look like a plumber and ship them out of the country at your expense so we can get another tax cut.

Dumb and Dumber

August 24th, 2011
8:59 am

Presidents have always selectively enforced laws passed by Congress. If it were a Republican President doing it, Kyle would argue that it was within the privilege of the Executive Branch to do so.

Partisanship is an IQ test. If you still believe that democrats or republicans care about anything besides getting re-elected, then you failed the IQ test.

kayaker 71

August 24th, 2011
8:59 am

King Bozo talks out of both sides of his mouth, as Kyle says. Makes for a lot of latino votes. Wonder how law enforcement, who has worked long hours rounding up these felons, feels about Bozo at this point?

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
8:59 am

Joe, P-tag is far too cowardly to address that..

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
9:02 am

That Trish is so clever. I never would have thought to spew that line.

Joe The Plumber too.

August 24th, 2011
9:02 am

phil that may be the dumbest outlook I’ve ever heard, that was stupid even for a bedwetter. The legal drivers that get caught in fatal accidents are punished by local laws, if a driver does not have a drivers licence and someone else causes the accident, it is still his fault, the law views it as the accident would have never happened had that person not been on the road illegally to start with. Is that dumbed down enough for you or do you need the first grade version.

carlosgvv

August 24th, 2011
9:05 am

Unfortunately, Obama is not the only official who selectively obeys or enforces the laws of our Country. Law enforcement, overall, is a mess in America precisely because of these attitudes. Whenever anyone running for public office pledges to be a strict “law and order” person, the civil rights activists spring into action with cries of “racist” and other slurs. The net result of this is the law enforcement mess we see around us.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
9:06 am

P-tag will never admit if the illegal was deported or shot dead trying to break in, then the 4 year old would be alive today..it doesn’t fit the agenda

I swear I am to the point I would watch a liberal choke to death and die in a restaurant or on the street rather than lift one finger to render aid…just grinning watching them expire.

Aquagirl

August 24th, 2011
9:08 am

Presidents have been doing end runs around Congress for years. The debt ceiling debate exposed how routine matters have become pitched battles, and even when there is a result it’s more of a punt than a solution. The immigration issue didn’t pop up overnight. It’s been brewing since the ’80’s. Congress has been unable to pass realistic, workable immigration reform. Now the Executive branch is trying to cobble together solutions to fill the gaps.

The take-no-prisoners and never-compromise attitude has come home to roost.

Rob Woodall's mommy and daddy bought his healthcare, now his Uncle Sam pays for it.

August 24th, 2011
9:10 am

Don’t get me started on whether Presidents uphold the law or not.

Do you happen to recall the liberal use of signing statements by 43 in order to ignore laws?

Richard

August 24th, 2011
9:10 am

Just for clarification, when Bush sidestepped Congress, we were all angry then too.

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
9:15 am

Wow. That Joe and that Trisha must be competing with each other. I concede to both of your superior whines. And your usage of such clever terminology such as obozo and bedwetter are just the bestest. Go forth and pat yourselves on your backs while you continue to blame our president Obama for everything from your psoriasis to your corns. That’s the ticket to your happiness, for shore.

JDW

August 24th, 2011
9:15 am

While I agree in principle that the laws on the books should be enforced or changed. in practice all Administrations decide which ones to aggressively pursue and which to not. For those with short term memories the last Republican Administration decided not to enforce the existing financial regulations and see where that got us. As to the current question…if there are 300,000 pending cases and not enough funding to pursue them all, some form of prioritization is required.

Rob Woodall's mommy and daddy bought his healthcare, now his Uncle Sam pays for it.

August 24th, 2011
9:17 am

Absolutely Richard, but do you think Kyle would have the intellectual honesty to provide some context to his criticism of this president (Ever) by referring to the foibles of those on the right?

That is the problem with Kyle’s blog. He’s like the contributors on the now-defunct CNN show, “Crossfire”. Just throw red meat to the lunatic fringe (see Trisha’s comment above for example) and pretend that any lefty is an evil, socialist, communist America-hater.

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
9:17 am

I swear I am to the point I would watch a liberal choke to death and die in a restaurant or on the street rather than lift one finger to render aid…just grinning watching them expire.

That would make for interesting discussion with your pastor or parents or whomever, you charitable and caring person.

Joe The Plumber too.

August 24th, 2011
9:19 am

Yep, and when W was trying to push through amnesty for illegals, I was one of the ones jammimg the phone lines and sending eMails. Not much longer though, barry the boy blunder is watching the clock tick down to his final days in office. Then he can get on with his next career and finish becoming the dark jimmy carter and jet around the world bowing to and playing footsie with his real heroes. 15 months until the mistake is corrected.

DebbieDoRight

August 24th, 2011
9:21 am

P-tag will never admit if the illegal was deported or shot dead trying to break in, then the 4 year old would be alive today..it doesn’t fit the agenda

I should’ve known that with a blog name like “Trisha-Disha”, reading anything that you blogged would probably drop the IQ of kindergartners, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and read your post anyway. Big Mistake….

How ignorant can you be to not only POST a comment like that, but to actually BELIEVE IT? You want to talk stupidly “Trisha-Disha” then why don’t you mention the kid who killed his grandmother with the sword, or the guy who killed his parents in Florida and held a big party, or how about that guy who raped and murdered the 4 year old girl in Tennessee? All these people were (drum roll please)……AMERICANS!! (gasp!)

“Trisha-Disha” first chance that you get, why don’t you follow the yellow brick road to the Wizard and ask for a brain……….I hear they’re selling them at the local WalMart, cheap. Duh!

jconservative

August 24th, 2011
9:23 am

So we will once again have a national debate on immigration policy, the sides will again refuse to compromise, and we will continue to do what we have done for the past 25 years.

So I trust everyone is comfortable with the present policies and will not insist their congressmen and Senators compromise on a policy.

We seem to have had more of a commitment to deportations in the last dozen years than we had previously. Under Clinton we were deporting under 200,000 people annually. That started to change under Bush 43 and in his last FY,2008, there were 369,221 deportations. Under Obama the numbers have continued to increase, 387,790 in FY 2009 and 393,000 in FY 2010.

But caution on the numbers. This is actual deportations. It does not include ordered deportations that have not been completed because the subject is in a state or federal prison for a felony conviction.

DebbieDoRight

August 24th, 2011
9:26 am

I swear I am to the point I would watch a liberal choke to death and die in a restaurant or on the street rather than lift one finger to render aid…just grinning watching them expire.

OMG — I thought school was back in! “Trisha-Disha” if you keep this up, I’m going to tell your mom that you skipped school today and instead of posting your stooopid inane comments on Facebook, you’ve decided to punish all the Adults and post your garbage here.

THIS is why kids need to stay in school.

Joe The Plumber too.

August 24th, 2011
9:32 am

debbiedonothing: ignorant as always. You libs keep comparing illegal aliens to Americans. Until they obey the law, the border jumpers are criminals…every one of them. The cases you sited with the American criminals are being prosecuted and punishment handed out as are their rights as American Citizens, the illegals that you slobber all over do not have the same rights. Perhaps you remember the case a few months back in Texas. That cemented me on Rick Perry, obumbler, Mexico, the united nations (joke that it is) all were telling him to commute the POS mexican who raped and murdered the innocent teen girl and he informed all of them , the crime was commited in Texas and punishment would be carried out in Texas. Good for him.

Joe The Plumber too.

August 24th, 2011
9:37 am

Now as usual I have to take off, got top head out and do some jobs to get phil the fool and debbiedonothings ebt cards charged up so they can sit around the quick trip eating chips, drinking soda and lovin up on the illegal aliens. Too bad barry boy didn’t invite you all up to kennedyville to hang out with him and me-shell while they rough it like so many other Americans. Debbiedonothing, you can get off the plantation if you try, I did.

DannyX

August 24th, 2011
9:44 am

“That cemented me on Rick Perry”

Love the Rick Perry Texas Dream Act. Can’t wait until he signs one into law as President! Maybe a Reagan style amnesty while he is at it.

Hey Rick Perry! What do you not understand about the word “ILLEGAL??????”

DebbieDoRight

August 24th, 2011
9:45 am

debbiedonothing: ignorant as always. You libs keep comparing illegal aliens to Americans. Until they obey the law, the border jumpers are criminals…every one of them.

Oh so I guess MURDER isn’t illegal – unless an “illegal” does it huh? Before you start calling anyone ignorant Joe, you should look in the mirror first…..

DebbieDoRight

August 24th, 2011
9:50 am

Now as usual I have to take off, blah,blah,blah,blah……. ebt cards charged up so they can sit around the quick trip eating chips, drinking soda ……blah,blah,blah,blah…….to hang out with him …..blah,blah,blah……you can get off the plantation if you try, I did.

You got off the plantation and got on the short yellow bus with all the “special kids”. You know the ones? The ones that have to wear helmets on their heads so that won’t hurt themselves. Your helmet however, is so that the evil monsters (read dems) can stop broadcasting those radio waves directly into your brain. It’s destroying that one brain cell you have left.

Be Reasonable

August 24th, 2011
10:04 am

It’s about time! People brought here as children had no say in the matter and should be handled differently than those who entered improperly as adults. It’s a waste of our time and tax dollars to “detain” them while they await hearings. “Detain” is really a misnomer as they are actually in prison. In private FOR-PROFIT prisons! Tax-payers pay about $90 per day, while share-holders earn $$. Most, are good people – self supporting & hard working – who contribute to our society. Let them get an education, work and contribute. We have enough American born slackers sitting around (on welfare & in prison) thinking they are better than immigrants.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
10:07 am

@Debbiedodropdead..

The original equation is Illegal mexican + 4 year old + car wreck= dead 4 year old

Take out illegal mexican and the 4 year old does not die in the car wreck with that illegal mexican.

It’s not hard, you moron. will the 4 year old eventually die? sure..will they die at 4 with that wetback killing them? no

But hey, if you or p-tag support hussein -o’s immigration policy, and you have any 4 year old kids in your family, maybe they can be next,.Better you’rs than someone i might give a damn about. Because I sure as hell don’t about you.

Tommy Maddox

August 24th, 2011
10:07 am

Gee – the law; a Federal law at that. Let’s all pretend it does not exist. That’s the ticket.

D U H !

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
10:16 am

Kyle,
You comment: “When the president of the United States says, “I swore an oath to uphold the laws,” he’s not supposed to follow it with a “but,” is so inane, it defies understanding.

Ayn Rant

August 24th, 2011
10:16 am

A the present time, the best thing to do about the illegal immigrant “problem” is to do absolutely nothing. Until the American public tempers ethnic prejudice, and rewards manual labor with adequate pay and benefits, absolutely nothing sensible can be done.

How about a case study of the effects of “doin’ sump’um’” about illegal immigration? Arizona bad mouths and harasses Hispanic residents, but Texas ignores illegal immigration and treats Hispanic residents fairly. Guess which state has the better economy!

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
10:17 am

““special kids”. You know the ones? The ones that have to wear helmets on their heads so that won’t hurt themselves.”

Oh, like this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/27/obamas-bike-wear-helmets-_n_697064.html#131935

Spouting about helmets while their pet kenyan is pimping the dork-o-master 5000 helmet in martha’s vineyard like he’s competing in the special olympics.?

Jefferson

August 24th, 2011
10:18 am

Well, you have to cut back somewhere.

Don't Tread

August 24th, 2011
10:28 am

Obama seems to think he is king or dictator, using executive orders and “selective enforcement” to do what he wants.

BTW, that earthquake in DC yesterday was the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
10:32 am

DebbieDoRight: Answering TrishaDishaWarEagle is a waste of time. This is someone who claims to be educated but is unable to write a grammatically correct sentence, and only makes offensive comments to provoke, not to make rational arguments.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
10:35 am

yawn..as If MarkV understands education.

that's goofy

August 24th, 2011
10:42 am

Laws should be enforced as written. That is the Executive Branch’s job.

However, to flip out now and not when W used 700(?) signing statements is either hypocritical or intellectually dishonest.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
10:42 am

Modern public and private education is nothing but rote memorization, and forced socialization brainwashing to become multicultural pop culture obsessed functionally illiterate myrmidoms so the state can and will take over the vast majority of your life decisions for you.

No context, no understanding of the background philosophies, nor the history of an Idea..

Just “Diego has two daddy’s”, black power month, STD screening, and “business(a nice way to say these kids are to retarded to ever hope to understand trig or calculus) math”

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
10:45 am

But as the great Judge Elihu Smails once said, “The world needs ditch diggers too!”
And ditch diggers are disposable.

mike

August 24th, 2011
10:46 am

So much hate and name calling for the President. I assume these goobers are passing these qualities to their kids. Must be sad to live everyday with these issues on their minds. What a miserable life these people live.

DawgDad

August 24th, 2011
10:46 am

It is a condition of mankind that no group of people is entitled to land it cannot defend. Which is a primary reason why we have laws. Flouting immigration law is, in my opinion, treason. Period.

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August 24th, 2011
10:52 am

That 4-year-old could have been the next Hitler.

Name (required)

August 24th, 2011
10:53 am

“Just “Diego has two daddy’s”, black power month, STD screening, and “business(a nice way to say these kids are to retarded to ever hope to understand trig or calculus) math””

I think you mean “too”

Hillbilly D

August 24th, 2011
10:54 am

This isn’t really news. The nation’s immigration laws have been ignored for the last 25 years by both parties and most everybody in a position of power. Gotta protect that source of cheap labor.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
10:54 am

Kyle,
The President said, essentially, that he swore an oath to uphold the laws on the books, but that he understood that those laws might cause pain, and that his administration tried to apply those laws humanly. And you object to that? It is like rebuking the Pope if he said: “There is God, but I understand when some people do not believe it.” And you would say: “The Pope should not follow a statement about the existence of God with a “but.”

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
10:56 am

yep, it’s called a typo..get over it

Dave

August 24th, 2011
10:57 am

If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you were not a racist….Please vote for anyone else in 2012 to prove you are not a IDIOT!

Name (required)

August 24th, 2011
10:58 am

I think you have some “getting over” to do yourself. Look into it.

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
10:59 am

Kyle,

Precisely, what is Obama doing now that has not been done before that has your panties in such a wad.

USMC

August 24th, 2011
10:59 am

I say we DEPORT Phil’s Tel-A-Gramm. for being a MORON!

Oh yeah, there is no law against being a moron. Come to think of it, I guess it doesn’t matter what the law says anyway, right Phil?

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
11:03 am

Kyle,
Now you are trying to weasel out of what you did, and what I commented upon. You wrote: “When the president of the United States says, “I swore an oath to uphold the laws,” he’s not supposed to follow it with a “but.” A standalone statement, not conditioned on any action.

Stonethrower

August 24th, 2011
11:03 am

Wet back? Trisha that was really original. Take the sheet off please.

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
11:04 am

That USMC is such the educated one. His demonstrated ability to call other bloggers names should even get him special kudos with Kyle especially now that he has shown an ability to use multi-syllable words.

Cosby

August 24th, 2011
11:05 am

Lets see, between the NLRB telling Boeing where or where not to expand to the EPA telling farmers what or how to use fertilizers, the Holder trying terrorist in criminal courts to ignoring the Black Panthers standing armed in a voting place….why not dismiss congress as we do not need them any more…it is all left up to the annointed one…Barry Soetoro

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
11:08 am

What does the law say about Congress selectively funding the laws of the land.

ragnar danneskjold

August 24th, 2011
11:09 am

The community organizer in chief votes “present” again. Makes Carter look like a strong and intelligent president by comparison.

Jefferson

August 24th, 2011
11:13 am

If there’s no money to spend, there will be more and more services lost and laws left unenforced. You get what you pay for, or don’t pay for.

The Three Degrees

August 24th, 2011
11:14 am

That USMC is such the educated one.

Is this where you’re going to tell us about those degrees on the wall from Georgia Tech, like usual?

Halftrack

August 24th, 2011
11:16 am

In the oath of office for President, he is to secure our borders. Yet, the DOJ, initiates a “Fast & Furious” scheme to blame illegal gun use on the Mexican Drug Cartels to stifle 2nd Amendment rights and to enhance illegal immigrants in the USA. All we know and see from Obummer is as the Am. Indian used to say is that he speaks with a forked tongue. He will charm you then bite you with a poisionous venom of the direct opposite of the so called charm. Very consistent at this.

Pete

August 24th, 2011
11:19 am

The DREAM Act is fair and humane. If you think otherwise, you have no heart, compassion, or kindness.

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
11:19 am

Is this where you’re going to tell us about those degrees on the wall from Georgia Tech, like usual?

If I were to say such a thing, it would be a lie. So, no. I will not be telling you or anyone else that. I do hope you are not too disappointed.

Gringo Viejo

August 24th, 2011
11:21 am

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

What happened to the United States? What is wrong with us? What is different about English, Irish, Italian immigrants and Latin Americans?

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
11:23 am

Come on, Kyle. Tell us all about how Obama is supposed to raise your taxes in order to cover Georgia’s need to deport those two teenagers. How about we get those Republican women of Cherokee County to take up a donation to deport them instead. We could even pass a law to make it tax deductible.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
11:24 am

@stonethrower..other people’s feelings have never been something I care or think about. If I offended you, so be it. What would you call them? That is what the US government called them..which might be the only reason I would stop calling them that..as I hate government.

I am not PC..I am not even polite, and I definitely would never wear a sheet..I want my enemies to look into my eyes and see the depths of my hatred for them.

P-Tag, as you must be soooo educated, can you do me a favor..

name the 7 basic properties of a fourier transform and provide a proof describe\ing the distribution of heat in a given region over time for a function u(x,y,z,t) of three spatial variables (x,y,z) and the time variable t.

Anti_lib

August 24th, 2011
11:26 am

He’s an arrogant failure and I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone in their right mind can support this moron!

Paulo 977

August 24th, 2011
11:28 am

Richard

August 24th, 2011
9:10 am
“Just for clarification, when Bush sidestepped Congress, we were all angry then too.”

This gift of ’selective memory’ that we possess is great isn’t it?

Jack

August 24th, 2011
11:29 am

I was wondering what caused my psoriasis. Thanks for the info.

Mountain Man

August 24th, 2011
11:31 am

So the selective enforcement of laws prohibiting businesses from hiring illegal immigrants (which has been the norm fo the past 30 years) doesn’t bother you at all? Where were you, Kyle, when your congressman stopped immigration raids in South Georgia to keep the farmers supplied with their illegal labor? Sounds like selective enforcement there.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
11:34 am

@p-tag

If Math is not your bag, maybe you can just write a little explaination of Heidegger’s hermeneutic circle.

Atticus Finch

August 24th, 2011
11:35 am

Wow, TrishaDishaWarEagle what a spewing fountain of hate you are.

Kyle, can you please call some of these people out on the racial slurs?

Mountain Man

August 24th, 2011
11:35 am

And I like the idea that some have on this blog: let’s institute a deportation tax, a special 2% income surtax that will fund as many deportations as can be accomplished with that money, and it will go away after all illegals are deported.

We should also have had an Iraq war surtax, an Afganistan war surtax, and definitely a Medicare Part D surtax. Then the American people could see and decide if these things are important enough to pay for.

williebkind

August 24th, 2011
11:40 am

Pete

August 24th, 2011
11:19 am
“The DREAM Act is fair and humane. If you think otherwise, you have no heart, compassion, or kindness.”

No I do not! I am heartless about those who come to our country and break the laws, I am compassionate about the security and welfare of our nation, and I have been kind and generous waiting for our leaders to do their jobs. Now my compassion is gone.

williebkind

August 24th, 2011
11:41 am

How about a gay tax?

Mountain Man

August 24th, 2011
11:42 am

I am also still waiting to hear Governor Deal say, ” I am sworn to uphold ALL of Georgia’s laws, so we will be starting a crackdown on motorists exceeding the 55-mph speed limit on I-75, I85, and I-285″. Selective enforcement. The same with Georgia’s prohibition on oral sex (even between married adults).

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
11:43 am

@mountain man

Yes I was disgusted by that. I am not a republican..when republicans act like liberals I attack them with even more hatred and zeal than a lib because they are traitors to the cause. After one rather repugnant op-ed by apparently the only cop in Uvalda, GA, I decided to boycott vidalia onions and I may well raid and loot the town while Barney Fife is asleep, since he said he leaves the town utterly defenseless anytime he has to transport a illegal to the lockup 25 miles away (per the op-ed). In the words of Calvera, “If God didn’t want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep”

williebkind

August 24th, 2011
11:45 am

Somehow I knew Mountain man was going to bring up oral sex for men!

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
11:45 am

and Atticus..wop is not a slur it means ” without papers”..the original illegals

Mountain Man

August 24th, 2011
11:47 am

For clarification purposes, I am AGAINST illegal immigration. I just think the easiest and best way to discourage illegal immigrants is to deny them jobs by REQUIRING (at a federal level) the use of e-verify. Because I also believe there are some jobs that Americans WILL NOT DO, I support immigration reform to allow more legal immigration.

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
11:47 am

Kyle,

Should we raise taxes just on the folks in the counties that arrest the illegals or go beyond that point.

Trish,

I noticed you failed to submit your latest homework assignment, AGAIN. Here it is AGAIN. It’s past due so don’t expect a passing grade.

Joe Mama

August 24th, 2011
11:49 am

Trisha — “I swear I am to the point I would watch a liberal choke to death and die in a restaurant or on the street rather than lift one finger to render aid…just grinning watching them expire.”

We’ll know they’re Christians by their love.

laurie

August 24th, 2011
11:54 am

How about if Georgia makes being in this country illegally a felony? That way all the illegal immigrants would be considered criminals under the law (like they weren’t already), and thus deportable.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
11:54 am

@willie, we sorta have a gay tax already..it’s a lentivirus in the retroviridae family

Its all BUSHS FAULT

August 24th, 2011
11:55 am

Het Trish Trash and minkey wrench if your villiage idit W had not scewed things up so bad maybe Mr.OBAMA would have lost to the orginal Maverick. LOL…OBAMAS your dadi 2012 baby.

jarvis

August 24th, 2011
11:58 am

I know the heartbreak a felon’s family must feel when said felon is sent to prison, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t go to prison. Right?

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 24th, 2011
12:01 pm

@Joe (then I’m off to make some cash)

I am not christian. Christianity promotes weakness and submission.
I am a darwinian. I will leave you with one of my favorite quotes; “The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”

Trisha, Trisha, über alles

Real Athens

August 24th, 2011
12:02 pm

Immigration and Customs Enforcement statistics show that deportations have increased dramatically from 189,000 in 2001 to 387,000 in 2009. Much of the increase results from deportations of people who haven’t committed serious crimes, according to Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse.

This year, however, that trend took a sharp turn, according to an Aug. 12 TRAC report.

The number of criminal immigrants removed by ICE “climbed to an all-time high,” the report said. In fiscal 2010, which began Oct. 1, “The removal pace of criminal aliens … is fully 60% higher than in the last year of the Bush administration, and at least a third (37%) higher than in the first year of the Obama administration.”

Joe Mama

August 24th, 2011
12:13 pm

Trisha — “@Joe (then I’m off to make some cash)”

Well, I certainly hope you don’t encounter any hurt or dying people while you’re doing that. They might bleed on your shoes or something.

Gringo Viejo

August 24th, 2011
12:16 pm

Trisha, I see your response only alluded to those non- aryan wops, telling, ain’t it? By the way, I’m Scots-Irish, my family has been in Georgia since 1720. Of course when our grandparents came, all they had to do to do so legally was show up at Ellis Is. and not have T.B.. But, wouldn’t the sick “wop” or “wetback” fall under the tired, poor, wretched refuse? The great majority of the undocumented are a lot healthier than a lot of our lazy, xbox playing, junk eating youth. Most of them came here to feed their kids, and have risked life and savings to do our menial work,(which we will not do) only to have some hope of bettering their families outlook. I respect people who are willing to work, and risk their life and liberty for their families.

JDW

August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm

Thank you Kyle!

ILLEGALMEANSILLEGAL

August 24th, 2011
12:22 pm

Whoever is for the president selectively enforcing laws frightens me. We have an entire system with a process in place which decided it was illegal to come here without obtaining certain documents. How can anyone argue that if you break the law, it’s ok? I guess the cop should let me out of a speeding ticket but that doesn’t happen. Why are people for illegal immigrants being here? If you took away all of the illegal immigrants, the jobless rates might look a lot better. But who cares about that as long as someone braking the law daily can continue to break the law? What kind of country is this????

Gm

August 24th, 2011
12:22 pm

My God, dump all American problems for the last 25 years on President Obama, when will you people ever stop, Obama must have thick skin to want to run for President again when he have a bunch of Anti Americans who dont respect the President decsions or no matter what he does it is never good or enough.
These same hypocrites gave bush the respect no matter how wrong he was on every issue, once again this shows you what type of idiots running around in America.

a dad

August 24th, 2011
12:25 pm

If the federal gov’t is not going to enforce the laws on the books, then it should fall to the states to do so. Wondering why AZ, GA, etc. enacted those immigration reform laws? Bayy boy just laid it all to rest. Guess I’d be naive to hope that some federal judge somewhere would have the stones to say that if the president isn’t going to uphold and enforce the laws that the states must.

mountain man

August 24th, 2011
12:25 pm

BTW, I did not say anything about oral sex for MEN.

mountain man

August 24th, 2011
12:27 pm

If the Republicans really wanted to hold Obama’s feet to the fire, they should fund ICE to the point that they have plenty of money for deportations and then see if the deportations happen. There would not be an excuse, then.

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
12:31 pm

Lynch mobs used Obama’s logic as well, that the laws are burdensome or not fair or not swiftly carried out.

Anyway 38% and falling every day.

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
12:39 pm

Thirteen percent and holding, for now. There may be hope for Congress after all.

Truth Squad

August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm

I wonder where Kyle stood on Bush 43’s signing statements and selective enforcement of laws? How soon we forget those controversies?

On the other hand, I love how Republicans are busy making sure that Latinos become reliably Democratic in 2012 and beyond. Remember, African-Americans use to be reliably Republican, now, not so much. We are seeing the same political evolution with Latinos.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm

Republicans welcome to the party anyone who doesn’t mind working for a living. It is true that there aren’t many parasites or moochers voting GOP.

Get on with it

August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm

Obama says that to take a person raised in this country and send them to another is not fair to the child as they dont know the language or country.

My response:

Dear President Obama.
You swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America and that number one objective is US Security and and Border Control. This child may have been brought here, BUT the parents were not. My thoughts are, go to the home of this student, take the parents and deport all of them. Dont for one minute think that a child brought here from Mexico or where ever does not speak the language because they communicate with their parents who do NOT speak English. So you point of those kids not being able to communicate is yet another lie. They communicate quite nicely. The home should be raided and parents and child sent back. The child will not be turned to a country they dont know alone. The parents (criminals) will be with them. And probably lots of their family are there to give them shelter.

I believe in immigration but I am tired of being taken advantage of and supporting what seems to be a complete country of illegals. Overall, billions of our tax money is being spent in suporting them, not only with schooling, medical, housing, medicaid, medicare and other social programs but also in security every time they go out in public and break our laws to picket. I am sick of it as well as everyone should be.

GOP LEADERS DO YOU JOB AND STOP THIS MESS. This is AMERICA, not MEXICO. Start supporting your own people by following the laws of this land. This President is over stepping his authority and we all know it.

Andrew Jackson

August 24th, 2011
12:49 pm

Congress made it’s law. Now let them enforce it.

It's the ECONOMY - PRES BO!

August 24th, 2011
12:56 pm

“These same hypocrites gave bush the respect no matter how wrong he was on every issue, once again this shows you what type of idiots running around in America.”

Were living under a rock during the GW Bush administration? Your ilk gave him more grief than the American public has ever given Obama. The majority of American citizens (including illegals and deceased) gave Obama everything by voting him into office. The accolades Obama received by being given his Presidency on a silver platter far outweighs any grief he is getting now. The American public has given Obama the Easy Button, until now …

GWB was not able to get Amnesty for Illegals just as BHO will not get the DREAM Act. The DREAM Act is just that – a DREAM! It will not happen. Obama knows it will not happen! He is just running his mouth ad naseum in hopes something he says will stick.

President Obama needs to spend his final days in office focus on this little problem called THE ECONOMY! Screw the illegals, let them fend for themselves like the rest of Americans have had to do!

In fact, President Obama can do US all a favor and announce he will not run for office. It is the only thing that will help our country and ensure we are on a path to recovery. If he choses to go forward, he’ll face further humiliation when the American public makes him the next unemployment statistic!

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
12:58 pm

Phil

It is disgusting that the Congressional approval rating is 13%. You seem to forget that half of Congress is Democrats, in the Senate they have control. Maybe the 13% who like them are all Democratic.

Congressional approval is always abysmally low due to the fact that most of these jokers are corrupt, inept, ner do wells, who have nothing better to do with their time than pimp themselves to the special interest groups. The incumbents only are concerned with getting themselves reelected and remaining on the gravy train. Any effort to dislodge them is legislated against by the incumbents. Nice place to hang your hat if you are slimy enough to worm your way in. Solutions?

It is easier to vote out an incompetent Blamer in Chief than to deal with the problems inherent in dislodging 432 people you can not vote against.

td

August 24th, 2011
12:59 pm

Phil’s Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
12:39 pm
Thirteen percent and holding, for now. There may be hope for Congress after all.

You do understand that the 13% approval rating is for the Dems also?

Sister Mary

August 24th, 2011
1:00 pm

Obama is the worst President in American History! May God have mercy on us all !!

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
1:02 pm

Should has said 532 people you can’t vote against.

Mocha Jones

August 24th, 2011
1:04 pm

“Remember, African-Americans use to be reliably Republican, now, not so much. We are seeing the same political evolution with Latinos.”

Remember, African-Americans? Um, you can call me Black! And NO, this is NOT the same ‘political evolution” with illegals.

Don’t speak for a Black person unless you are one. My people and many LEGAL immigrants do not support illegals. That myth you are trying to make stick it is a boldface lie.

RAMZAD

August 24th, 2011
1:06 pm

When Easter Europeans, Russians and Canadians were pouring into the US during the 19080 and 1990- legally and illegally no one was saying anything. It was ok, since they are white and right.

However, we use the Latinos to build our roads, stadiums, houses, business parks and pluck our chickens then we decide we do not like them anymore, so it is time for them to go.

The gall of these right wing lunatics makes me sick.

Obama is right- make your little racist laws and set up your little Nazi tactics to round up the little brown people who will not wear the political brown shirts, but my government is not going to deport them. Now whach ya goin do? Suckers!

Dan owens

August 24th, 2011
1:08 pm

Let’s blame all the people for what a few do because you never know when the rest are going to do it too! Blame Obama for all the problems, like they weren’t there when he got there. Sure he hasn’t done a thing to fix them but neither would any other idiot you put in office. Unless you go crazy and put in Bachmann, then it will just make matters infinitely worse. Congress is the problems and on both sides of the isle and they are pulling the wool right over your eyes. They argue and point fingers at each other in public and shake hands and make out behind closed doors. You actually believe this dog and pony show? You’re just swallowing it whole huh? Like it’s a feast, let’s eat, our team is sure to win and get it right this time! Things used to be so much better! Ha! You just didn’t know what the hell was going on then, that’s why you think it was so great. Ignorance is bliss.

Karen

August 24th, 2011
1:13 pm

Can you imagine Bachman or “Parry” as President? Instead of Arab spring we would have a USA spring and the rest of the world would see us as idiots, with cowboy boots.

Dan owens

August 24th, 2011
1:16 pm

like the Russians with Putin, so proud…but don’t know why…

meno

August 24th, 2011
1:20 pm

I guess all we have to do is find instances of the undocumented who have saved lives (lives that therefore would have been lost if the law was followed) to get Joe and Trisha to come around. It’s amazing that in their view such instances cannot exist.

Dacula 1995

August 24th, 2011
1:31 pm

I wonder if these people voted for McCain?????
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=252_1314124477

Dacula 1995

August 24th, 2011
1:32 pm

Meno…it is not “undocumented” it is called “ILLEGALS”!!

JDW

August 24th, 2011
1:32 pm

The tone of the comments here and the current sad state of partisan politics brought a question to my mind. What would Reagan do?

Better yet what did he do…

In a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984, Reagan said “I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.”

in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. It was originally sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers. Any of that sound familiar? Only problem is the crackdown part was stripped from the final bill and the only thing that was left in the bill Reagan signed was this…

The bill made any immigrant who’d entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty.

Over time 2.9 million people took advantage of this program.

Seems to me Republicans of today would be best served by examining their “roots” and acting a bit more responsibly on the issue….

Just do what Reagan did. How could a true Republican disagree?

hatorade drinkers

August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm

someone once said the supreme court cannot enforce the laws they are passing judgement on. used that argument to seize a whole bunch on land from cherokees in north georgia, then deport them to oklahoma.

that mf was a president too. andrew jackson.

Gwinnett

August 24th, 2011
1:38 pm

“I guess all we have to do is find instances of the undocumented who have saved lives (lives that therefore would have been lost if the law was followed) to get Joe and Trisha to come around. It’s amazing that in their view such instances cannot exist.”

What about the illegal play boy that stabbed his own children to death in Lawrenceville or the instance in Lilburn where the illegal meth lady fried her children to a crisp. Fine example of illegals.
Per capita, I think you’d be hard pressed to find any illegal that has done more good than harm, or that has given back more than they have taken.

saywhat?

August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm

Enter your comments here

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
1:48 pm

Ramzad, suckers? You will get the answer to your question 6 Nov 2012.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

August 24th, 2011
1:50 pm

“Just do what Reagan did. How could a true Republican disagree?”
———

Hush. We adults are talking.

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
1:54 pm

JDW
Dems must be getting desperate, out of ideas, as they suddenly quote Reagan quite frequently.

Reagan has a big heart and wanted what was best for America. His Amnesty plan, like the road to hell, was paved with good intentions. He promised a one time, never again, Amnesty as long as congress tightened the borders and enforced the immigration laws. He was often lied to by congress and once again, he got shafted. He was gullible when the Dems made promises and shook his hand and being the cowboy he was thought that their intentions were honorable. They played him like a sucker.

He promised never again and I agree with him. No amnesty, more legal immigration is acceptable, but they need to go home and apply. How do you get them to go home, easy, $50,000 fine on any employer caught with an undocumented worker on the payroll. We simply can not afford to take in the world anymore.

Intown

August 24th, 2011
2:00 pm

It’s called Checks and Balances Mr. Wingfield. Poli Sci 101.

RAMZAD

August 24th, 2011
2:13 pm

I do not support illegal immigration. There is no basis for people to walk into the country through holes in the fence at the borders or in some shipping container. However, there is no moral imperative to deport a person who was brought here by their parents at age two years.

There is no moral imperative to deport someone who has been here for thirty years building up America. There is no moral imperative to deport someone on the verge of getting a college degree
to be used to build up America.

Right wing Taliban would hide under the rubric of the law to do the most immoral things.
America is about compassion, fairness, the pursuit of happiness, and immigration can not
be about rounding them up and locking them up.

Right wing Taliban would surely like to see all people of color deported, but the reality is
that the little brown, black and yellow people are fast becoming the majority. Y’all better
get used to that thought.

joe

August 24th, 2011
2:14 pm

All the more reason to vote his a$$ out in Nov 2012. How anyone, who thinks of him/herself as an American, can vote for him again has to have their head examined.

ATF

August 24th, 2011
2:37 pm

And what do you think Bush’s signing statements did?

Real Athens

August 24th, 2011
2:47 pm

So …

“I am not PC..I am not even polite, and I definitely would never wear a sheet..I want my enemies to look into my eyes and see the depths of my hatred for them.”

… says the anonymous “contributer” on another person’s blog.

Real Athens

August 24th, 2011
2:54 pm

On February 1, 2010, President Obama delivered his Fiscal Year 2011 budget to the GOP lead Congress.

From an immigration standpoint, the President’s 2011 budget is designed to “strengthen border security and immigration enforcement by supporting 20,000 Border Patrol agents, adding 300 new officers at ports of entry, completing the first segment of the virtual border fence, and by enhancing and expanding immigration verification systems.”

Compared to last year’s 2010 budget, there are fewer dollars directed towards making the legal immigration process more efficient or supporting legal immigrants. In fact, from an immigration perspective, the President’s 2011 budget is dismal, focusing strictly on security and enforcement.

That budget included: $4.6 billion to support 20,000 Border Patrol agents and complete the first segment of Customs and Border Protection’s (CBP) virtual border fence.

Includes $94 million for 300 new CBP Officers for passenger and cargo screening at ports of entry as well as expansion of pre-screening operations at foreign airports and land ports of entry.

More than $1.6 billion for Immigration and Customs Enforcement programs to expeditiously identify and remove from the United States illegal aliens who commit crimes. Included in this total is continued support for the Secure Communities program.

$137 million for enhancements and expansion of immigration related verification programs (E-Verify) at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Support for integration of new immigrants with $18 million identified to promote citizenship through education and preparation programs, replication of promising practices in integration for use by communities across the Nation, and expansion of innovative English learning tools.

Phil's Tel-A-Gramm

August 24th, 2011
3:04 pm

So, I went back and double checked my comment at 12:39 and sure enough, it was and still is non-denominational.

Obozononics

August 24th, 2011
3:23 pm

Gm,
What kind of drugs are you on? The left has done Bush demonizing for the 8 years he was in office. Not only did the compare him to Hitler, and photo shop him as the joker, they complained every time he spent a dollar. What is it about liberals they love to dish it out but cry like a baby when they have to take it. Gm, I bet you where one of those complainers, where are they now, Obozo spent more in 3 years than Bush did in 8…. Then got us into another war, but promised no boots on the ground, what a lying piece of dirt Obozo is. Better yet you losers who voted for him, did you forget he said that he would lower the deficit in his first term, someone needs to teach this loser math…So Gm, tell me one thing Obozo said he would do and he did, and not health care, it was upheld as unconstitutional.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

August 24th, 2011
3:33 pm

“[Obozo's] government is not going to deport them. Now whach ya goin do?”
———

Deport your Idiot Messiah from our White House.

Rod

August 24th, 2011
3:33 pm

Didn’t you, and or your party, just ask business people and the public to give President Obama a call to ask him to effectively back off enforcement of EPA laws and regulations to help your friends in high places? Seems a bit like selective enforcement.

It does not excuse President Obama, but you look like hypocrites, so it does not help your cause, either.

Rod

August 24th, 2011
3:35 pm

Kyle,

Just days ago you suggested the following:

1. Make some phone calls.

Not to business leaders, but to his own Cabinet secretaries.

In a recent appearance on Fox News, a former chief economist for the Labor Department, Diana Furchtgott-Roth, said Obama could “make things a lot easier on employers and on hiring” by telling the bureaucracy to stop making new rules that crimp businesses.

“He could call EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson and say, ‘Why don’t we just hold off on those new ozone rules, or clean air rules, until the unemployment rate is down to 7 percent?’ ,” Furchtgott-Roth said.

“He could call his Interior secretary and say, ‘Why don’t we just allow more oil drilling in the Gulf [of Mexico]?’ Because there’s been a moratorium since the BP oil spill — that’s about a year and a half ago.

“He could tell his National Labor Relations Board acting general counsel, Lafe Solomon, ‘Hey, why don’t you just lay off Boeing?’ Because Boeing wants to open a new plant in South Carolina to build [787] Dreamliners, and [Solomon] says they can only a new plant in Washington state, where they have their existing plant.”

The list, she said, is long. “Each cabinet secretary is doing things that impede businesses from creating jobs.”

irishmafia

August 24th, 2011
3:48 pm

Jimmy Carter’s smile is getting bigger every day -he was overheard saying “thank god for that moron Obama ,he makes me look like the greatest president ever!”

ND

August 24th, 2011
3:51 pm

“A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there’s no question about it.” –George Bush

I’m guessing Wingfield didn’t see that as being worthy of a blog post when it happened though.

DawgDad

August 24th, 2011
3:52 pm

RAMZAD:

Your references to “no moral imperative” and your scare tactic rhetoric (”like to see all people of color deported”) ring VERY hollow. There is moral imperative to defend our borders, our Constitution, and the rule of law. This is a fundamental responsibility of our Federal government, but the problem is people, not government. People think it’s OK to employee illegal labor for their own benefit, and they corrupt the political process. People think it’s OK to provide safe harbor for other people here illegally, and that corrupts our rule of law and our economy. People think it’s ok to take political support from the labor racketeers profiting off of illegal labor, like our current and past Presidents have done, and that corrupts our political process and Constitution. People think it’s OK for other people (taxpayers) to provide education and health care for other people here illegally, and that corrupts everything including the moral fiber of our country. Illegal immigration is a cancer growing within our nation. And why do you assume the problem is with “people of color”? Check the rolls of the SEIU some time and see what turns up.

da boss

August 24th, 2011
3:54 pm

interesting that during the day when most people are working the posts are decidedly liberal, once the workday ends and people come home from work, the posts are overwhelmingly conservative -

jconservative

August 24th, 2011
3:59 pm

Well I have read all 3 pages of comments.

A lot of folks call others names but are unable or unwilling to debate the issue. That’s OK.

Few of the commenters want to resolve the immigration issue. Most want the current policies to remain just as they are today.

Of course Obama is selectively enforcing federal law. What president has not done that? Obama makes 44 in a row. See the Washington administration. The Adams administration. The Jefferson administration.

The problem is that Congress allows the practice to continue. The President & VP are the only nationally elected federal officials. Everyone else represents a district or a State. Intimidation?

who has the checkbook?

August 24th, 2011
4:03 pm

so our nation is beyond broke but somehow this administration managed to spend almost a billion dollars (so far) on Libya, this week gave North Korea almost a billion dollars in “aid”,and in the past two years have approved $7.5 billion dollars in “aid” to Pakistan. Wonder how the tornado victims in the USa feel about that? or perhaps the flood victims in the Midwest USA? I’m sure the afore mentioned $9 billion dollars in aid is peanuts compared to what the administration has given to it’s own citizens —sure it is!

Darwin

August 24th, 2011
4:07 pm

Did Bush and Cheney use a UN resolution from the first Gulf war to invade Iraq? They tried to get the UN to approve of the 2nd invasion for WMDs and when they wouldn’t pass a resolution for it, Bush and Cheney said “oh well, we’re going to invade anyway.” They used the first UN resolution to justify their invasion. So you see, Kyle, you’re selective in your criticism.

your government at work

August 24th, 2011
4:12 pm

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) named Representative Edward Markey (D-Mass.) its July 2011 Porker of the Month for accusing proponents of federal spending cuts of indifference toward potential victims of weather emergencies. On July 19, 2011, Rep. Markey issued a press release in which he accused House Republicans of “foolishly cutting funding for our nation’s weather and climate forecasters.” According to Rep. Markey, reducing expenditures for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) – which contains the National Weather Service (NWS) – “won’t change the climate or end a heat wave, but … will lengthen the time it takes to alert our citizens about an incoming storm, or reduce our ability to give our nation’s farmers the information they need to manage their crops.” Rep. Markey added, “When a tornado or other deadly weather event is bearing down on you, minutes matter. Yet these kinds of vital capabilities don’t seem to matter to House Republicans.”

Contrary to Rep. Markey’s accusations, spending at the NOAA is greater than ever, and dramatically higher than it was just a few years ago. Its budget is slated to reach $5.5 billion in fiscal year 2012, an increase of 46 percent since 2002. And private organizations have been performing many of the functions of NOAA and NWS for decades. AccuWeather, founded in 1962, hosts more meteorologists at its headquarters than any other location in the world, and the Weather Channel, founded in 1981, provides storm tracking and forecasts for 98,000 locations around the globe. Both companies disseminate vital weather information on the Internet, television, and radio 24 hours a day.

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
4:15 pm

jconservative

Ok, I’ll take the bait, what law did Geo Washington not enforce?

I want to solve the problem once and for all. $50,000 fine for anyone caught employing an undocumented, illegal alien, require schools not to admit any student without proof of citizenship, build the fence, double the budget of Border Patrol and INS. Problem solved.

using your tax dollars wisely once again

August 24th, 2011
4:16 pm

kinda like we “must pass the bill to see whats in it” We must spend taxpayer money on non taxpayers so we can generate tax revenue
(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) named Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack its August 2011 Porker of the Month for asserting that the Department of Agriculture’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly known as the Food Stamp Program, qualifies as economic stimulus drives economic growth. In an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on August 16, 2011, Sec. Vilsack called SNAP “an economic stimulus,” explaining that “every dollar of SNAP benefits generates $1.84 in the economy in terms of economic activity.” Sec. Vilsack did not specify where he got such a precise estimate for the multiplier effects of SNAP

JV

August 24th, 2011
4:16 pm

According to a 2010 cost study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the estimated annual total of the costs related to illegal immigration that taxpayers must bear on the federal, state and local levels in $113 BILLION. Of that, $84 BILLION at state and local levels. This breaks down to approximately $1,000 per tax-paying American household. An average 27 percent of this dollar figure has to do with the administration of justice, while 16 percent are public assistance expenditures. Twenty-one percent go to medical care and an estimated seven percent support education.

Liberals hate facts!

August 24th, 2011
4:20 pm

@ Darwin
The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm

Liberals hate facts! @4:20 pm: I am sure Darwin will remind you that he wrote about a UN resolution.

Obama victory?

August 24th, 2011
4:32 pm

he liberal media is declaring Libya an Obama “victory” –not so fast hippie wannabees

WASHINGTON (AP) – No one can be sure who controls the Libyan government’s weapons stockpiles, a stew of deadly chemicals, raw nuclear material and some 30,000 shoulder-fired rockets that officials fear could fall into terrorists’ hands in the chaos of Moammar Gadhafi’s downfall or afterward.

One immediate worry, U.S. intelligence and military officials say, is that Gadhafi might use the weapons to make a last stand. But officials also face the troubling prospect that the material, which was left under Gadhafi’s control by a U.S.-backed disarmament pact, could be obtained by al-Qaida or other militants even after a rebel victory is secured.

The main stockpile of mustard gas and other chemicals, stored in corroding drums, is at a site southeast of Tripoli. Mustard gas can cause severe blistering and death. A cache of hundreds of tons of raw uranium yellowcake is stored at a small nuclear facility east of the capital.

Liberals hate facts!

August 24th, 2011
4:36 pm

@ Mark v –so it is not a fact? or was his statement that BUSH and CHENEY (not the US Congress) “oh we are going to invade anyway” not what he wrote?

Karl Childers

August 24th, 2011
4:37 pm

MarkV – Are you back again? After the intellectual spanking I gave you regarding the “individual mandate” in Obamacare?

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
4:50 pm

Karl Childers @4:37 pm: Still exercising your powers of self-deception?

Karl Childers

August 24th, 2011
4:56 pm

If our debate over the individual mandate had taken place in a video game, I would be holding your severed head high above my own while simultaneously raising my intellectual sword to the heavens with my other hand. Game, set, match.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
4:58 pm

Liberals hate facts! @4:36 pm

I think you should really debate with Darwin, but since I intervened – what Darwin wrote was as follows

“Did Bush and Cheney use a UN resolution from the first Gulf war to invade Iraq? They tried to get the UN to approve of the 2nd invasion for WMDs and when they wouldn’t pass a resolution for it, Bush and Cheney said “oh well, we’re going to invade anyway.” They used the first UN resolution to justify their invasion.”

That is different from talking about Congressional resolution. I am not sure Darwin is exactly right, but the fact is that Bush acted without a UN resolution authorizing the invasion. He did have Congressional authorization – sort of. I hope we are not going to rehash that question here.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
4:59 pm

Karl Childers @4:56 pm: You are quite a self-deceiving joker, aren’t you?

oh the life

August 24th, 2011
5:02 pm

The Obamas’ summer break on Martha’s Vineyard has already been branded a PR disaster after the couple arrived four hours apart on separate government jets.
But according to new reports, this is the least of their extravagances.
White House sources today claimed that the First Lady has spent $10million of U.S. taxpayers’ money on vacations alone in the past year.
Michelle Obama, has been accused of spending $10m of public money on vacations
they say the 47-year-old mother-of-two has been indulging in five-star hotels, where she splashes out on expensive massages and alcohol.

‘When it’s all added up, she’s spent more than $10million in taxpayers’ money on her vacations.’
The First Lady is believed to have taken 42 days of holiday in the past year, including a $375,000 break in Spain and a four-day ski trip to Vail, Colorado, where she spent $2,000 a night on a suite at the Sebastian hotel.
And the first family’s nine-day stay in Martha’s Vineyard is also proving costly, with rental of the Blue Heron Farm property alone costing an estimated $50,000 a week.
‘Michelle also enjoys drinking expensive booze during her trips. She favours martinis with top-shelf vodka and has a taste for rich sparking wines.

Doc

August 24th, 2011
5:07 pm

Thank god Obama is doing this. Better late than never. The sheer racist bigotry of the majority of Georgians and especially republicans is an utter disgrace. You people are more out of the mainstream than ever.

Dave R.

August 24th, 2011
5:07 pm

Kyle, I’m going to agree with an earlier poster and say that elected officials have always tried (some more successfully than others) to selectively enforce laws on the books.

The problem becomes when someone sets the standards so high when coming into office and proclaiming that they will be so ethical and open and above board – then do the same thing that others have done.

There is also a difference in not funding something (like a law you didn’t agree with but can’t overturn) vs. selectively enforcing a law for one group, and not for another group, which is I think the point you were trying to make. If you can’t treat everybody the same, regardless of your dislike for the law, then you lose the moral high ground when wanting to rail about equality issues.

Dave R.

August 24th, 2011
5:09 pm

Doc, there are many of us who don’t give a damn about the racial makeup of anybody, but merely wish our laws to be enforced, and enforced equally.

Karl Childers

August 24th, 2011
5:15 pm

MarkV – Just read the opinion of the 11th Circuit Court as it pertains to the individual mandate. Better yet, go back and read the end of the thread on which I, and many others, ate your intellectual lunch.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
5:19 pm

Karl Childers @5:15 pm: Apparently you need these imaginary victories to get back some measure of self-esteem after the incoherent babbling that you submitted as arguments. A visit to a psychiatrist would be more effective.

Hillbilly D

August 24th, 2011
5:27 pm

The problem becomes when someone sets the standards so high when coming into office and proclaiming that they will be so ethical and open and above board – then do the same thing that others have done.

Those are always the ones you need to watch. My Grandpa always told me that if a man felt the need to tell you he was honest, he was probably anything but honest.

Dave R.

August 24th, 2011
5:29 pm

Yup.

Karl Childers

August 24th, 2011
5:30 pm

MarkV – I must now ask you to cease putting your head on my chopping block. Please sir, read the opinion of the 11th Circuit Court. Those Clinton-appointees nailed it, eloquently and succintly. My self-esteem is robust. Your intellect, however, is beginning to look feeble.

Dave R.

August 24th, 2011
5:30 pm

Oh, and hello from a fellow Bookman expatriate, Hillbilly!

Dave R.

August 24th, 2011
5:32 pm

Karl, I read some of MarkV’s posts about the individual mandate.

Let’s just say that he didn’t get past the reality of the ruling, and relied on his own personal belief.

Good thing the Constitution doesn’t work that way.

Karl Childers

August 24th, 2011
5:36 pm

Exactly. After all, it was only Alice who had a problem with Wonderland.

Hillbilly D

August 24th, 2011
5:47 pm

Greeting Dave R. Me and you disagree as much or more than we agree but you’ve always been civil towards me.

Gm

August 24th, 2011
5:49 pm

oh the life

For idiots like you who dont think the President deserve a Vacation here are the numbers look it up

First 3 years
Georgia Bush vacation 180 days
President Obama 60

Never heard a word from you idiots when he lived on the golf course, let see we had troops dying in Irag over 3,000 Americans in Ny died his first 3 years and yes he took vacations ”””

GT

August 24th, 2011
5:56 pm

“Circumventing” is not breaking the law or you could lock him up. It is very similar to hijacking the law like the Tea Party, but neither is breaking the law. Obama could have used the constitution to raise the debt ceiling but chose not to. In doing so he showed huge resolve. In this he did not circumvent Congress. Only when it would have harmed individuals like slavery and child labor did he intervene. Now the bullies are calling foul as if they were the harmed party. Man are the Republicans geniuses at being the victims even when they start the fights and are the cause of what they complain about. If you don’t like what Obama is doing vote him out of office, at lease you have that available to you, most of the nation have to suffer the pirates of the Tea Party with no recourse.

Moderate Line

August 24th, 2011
6:02 pm

So Obama says doing things on my own are very tempting but that is not how our system works.

It would seem to me he is advocating complying with the law because it is the law even though it is not.

Contrast this with the Republican icon like Reagan who simply ignore the laws concerning the contras and did is own thing.

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
6:03 pm

Hillbilly D

Thanks for adding that, your Grandpa was a smart feller.
I will use it in the future, I am sure. I have a good friend who annoys me to no end starting each important sentence with “let me be honest with you”. I don’t think he realizes that he is saying that everything else he says is false.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
6:03 pm

Karl Childers @5:30 pm: Make the appointment!

@@

August 24th, 2011
6:04 pm

Make laws to break laws?

Bush willingly promoted immigration reform.

Obama, desperately pandering for votes, leads from behind.

Won’t end well for him either.

How’s security on the border?

Moderate Line

August 24th, 2011
6:04 pm

Correction:
It would seem to me he is advocating complying with the law because it is the law even though he does not agree with it.

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
6:08 pm

GT

You have been in the Koolaid again. Barry did not use the constitution option to raise the debt ceiling because his own attorneys told him it was unconstitutional and would subject him to being sued by Congress. They told him he would lose the fight in the Supreme Court.

He did not decline this option as some noble jesture. The man has no scrupples and would do just about anything he could get away with to furter his agenda.

Hillbilly D

August 24th, 2011
6:08 pm

Rafe

Yes he was and he only had the equivalent of about a 4th grade education (in those days they just went to school for 3 months in winter, the rest of the time they worked). Judgement is something you’re born with I think and of course, it’s refined through hard knocks. And as for this part of your comment I don’t think he realizes that he is saying that everything else he says is false. it sort of falls under, you can tell as much about a man by what he doesn’t say as by what he does.

Women, too but they’re harder to figure out.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
6:09 pm

Dave R. @5:32 pm:” Let’s just say that he didn’t get past the reality of the ruling, and relied on his own personal belief. Good thing the Constitution doesn’t work that way.”

Apparently you read few posts, or you have a poor ability to understand arguments. Nothing in my debate wit Karl dealt with the constitutionality of the individual mandate, except when Karl introduced the 11th Circuit Court ruling after all his incoherent semi-arguments failed.

TruthBe

August 24th, 2011
6:09 pm

Obama is a corupt liberal liar period. He’s out to pimp your vote so he will say and do ANYTHING to get your votes. Including breaking the laws of the Land. Their is no watchman for the President, Senate, Congress, Attorney General, Federal law Enforcement,TSA, Homeland Security, or any other heads of state.

TruthBe

August 24th, 2011
6:10 pm

There instead of their. Sorry

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
6:12 pm

Doc

Mainstream huh, I am betting you are in that 38% that approve of Obama’s performance. I guess for a public school graduate 38% is the mainstream.

Not A US Citizen

August 24th, 2011
6:21 pm

Its sad how many of you think.

I came here illegally at age of 9, my parents worked and started there own business, My parents are still illegal, yet they pay taxes, do donations and pays for 12 other US Citizens college tuition, and they ask nothing in return, just to maintain a B average. The 12 US Citizens that we help, are: 9 White, and 3 African Americans, we can not help any Latinos, because they can not get into college because of there legal status, yet we know many that graduated with 4.0 GPA.

Its not simple becoming a Citizen, We believe that everyone has the right to have an education, that is why we paid for other peoples tuition. My dad make more than 3 million dollars a year, and we do not have “papers” but it doesn’t mean that we take other peoples jobs, that we don’t pay taxes.

Please open your eyes people, its not segregation is it?

“An eye for an eye only ends up making the world blind”

If you guys have nothing positive to say, than please don’t say anything. Do not pretend that you know everything.

SAD, SAD, SAD………

God Bless You All.

I repeat …. *******My dad make more than 3 million dollars a year, and we do not have “papers” but it doesn’t mean that we take other peoples jobs, that we don’t pay taxes.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
6:24 pm

There are two kinds of visitors to these blogs. Visitors of one kind want to argue some issue; those of the other kind only want to vent their steam, or more often, their hatred. They do not realize that they are painting a picture of themselves when they do that.

@ Not A US Citizen

August 24th, 2011
6:36 pm

Well one thing is for sure, being raised as illegal has taught you to tell some very tall tales. Next time you try and create a story in your defense, make sure you tone it down a bit. A post like yours will do more harm than good to your plight. Think before you post, and Bless Your Heart and we say here in the South!

Karl Childers

August 24th, 2011
6:38 pm

MarkV – You have yet to convince anyone why the Federal government should have the power to force the citizens of the United States to buy a certain product, whatever that product may be. Your argument is a straw man yet you mindlessly put it forth like a blithering idiot. You fancy yourself as some kind of skilled debater when, in fact, you’re nothing of the sort. You’re simply deluded and have somehow come to believe that what belongs to others should belong to you.

Rafe Hollister

August 24th, 2011
6:40 pm

MarV
Hatred is just the term of the day for the Libs. When they can’t stand up to the logic of the argument they turn to names like hater, extremist, radical, no nothings, knuckledraggers, on and on. Yes, it is done by the conservatives as well. No one on here, except maybe TrishaDisha, hates anyone.

The picture I want to paint is a law abiding, tax paying, Constitution loving, God fearing, flag waving patriot. If the times are such that people like me are branded haters, then so be it, call me a hater, if that makes you feel above the fray.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
6:40 pm

Karl Childers @6:38 pm: Make the appointment!

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
6:42 pm

Rafe Hollister @6:40 pm
I suppose you overlooked the name calling here from the right.

Rafe Hollister (non hater)

August 24th, 2011
6:43 pm

know nothings, MarkV, before you question my education.

Rafe Hollister (non hater)

August 24th, 2011
6:44 pm

MarkV
As you tell your critics reread my post. I do not deny the right uses names, but Hater ain’t one of them.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
6:47 pm

Rafe Hollister (non hater) @6:43 pm:“know nothings, MarkV, before you question my education.”

Is that a post, or an attempt of one?

Skip

August 24th, 2011
6:58 pm

You guys are a hoot.

Karl Childers

August 24th, 2011
6:58 pm

MarkV – To which appointment are you referring? I have trouble interpreting your non sequiturs.

Tiberius (the former Dave R.)

August 24th, 2011
7:17 pm

“There are two kinds of visitors to these blogs. Visitors of one kind want to argue some issue; those of the other kind only want to vent their steam, or more often, their hatred.”

Actually, three kinds.

You’re the kind that just likes to combine the two.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
7:30 pm

Karl Childers @6:58 pm: “MarkV – To which appointment are you referring? I have trouble interpreting your non sequiturs.”

You also have a trouble with your memory. The appointment with your psychiatrist, which I recommended earlier.
You just cannot let go, can you? You have to try to convince yourself, and perhaps others, that you “won” a debate with me.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
7:44 pm

Tiberius (the former Dave R.) @7:17 pm:

I suppose you have some basis for this judgment?

post worth repeating from get schooled

August 24th, 2011
8:17 pm

I teach at an elementary school, and while I feel that most immigrant children are in many ways easier to teach (more motivated, better behaved, and at this level–feel less entitled), I also believe that our school systems are grossly over-burdened. If English isn’t spoken by their parents at home, English is considered the child’s second language. It doesn’t matter how well the child speaks English. Therefore, these children and their parents are entitled to every service (ESOL, translators, etc.) the school system can offer. Motivation to learn English is not created this way.

With that said, I would like to see our country return to an immigration policy that existed in the late 1800s and early 1900s. People were not allowed in this country unless they currently had a family member sponsor them (somewhere they could live–and someone who would financially support them until they were able to support themselves), or they already had a job in this county waiting for them. Most came through Ellis Island and were required to pass a physical examination before they were allowed on the mainland. I also believe our government had an established number of immigrants allowed in the country annually. With fewer numbers, assimilation was gradual, thus not over-burdening the country.

Government entitlements didn’t exist back then; thus, ALL people were more motivated to get a job–any job. Everything was printed in English–no translators! In order to survive in this country, ALL immigrants were very motivated to learn the language of their new country–and they were proud to do so!!

Our legislators have ruined this country by advocating “government dependence” for all. They have killed the motivation of many of the residents of this country.

I do believe illegal immigrants should be deported; they broke the law! Congress should get busy eliminating/limiting all welfare programs, particularly to non-citizens. This would definitely curtail illegal immigration. Jobs that would be vacated by illegal immigrants could then be filled by U.S. citizens. Some say U.S. citizens wouldn’t want these jobs– if the welfare programs were curtailed/eliminated, they wouldn’t have much of a choice now, would they?

Quite honestly, I’m so very tired of the “entitlement mentality” that has been created in this county (BY OUR GOVERNMENT)–somebody needs to do something about it! Get rid of entitlements, and illegal immigration will take care of itself!!!

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
8:42 pm

post worth repeating from get schooled @8:17 pm:

I will not comment on the main part of your post – it is a complex problem, and I am not prepared to do that. But I want to offer a comment on the last part: “I’m so very tired of the “entitlement mentality” that has been created in this county (BY OUR GOVERNMENT)–somebody needs to do something about it!”

When you blame THE GOVERNMENT, you write as if it were some occupying force. The “government” consists of people we have elected. And while you may disagree with some policies, there are many people who agree with them. We have a democracy (and please do not tell me that we do not, that we have a republic), and in a democracy people are the source of the power, and decide (through their representatives, in a republic) what policy they want to be pursued. In other words, if you are opposed to any “entitlement,” but the majority of people are in favor, and make it happen through their representatives, what you want to DO about it? Certainly you can present your arguments, but your “somebody needs to do something about it” does not sound like a demand for a debate.

Tiberius (the former Dave R.)

August 24th, 2011
8:42 pm

“I suppose you have some basis for this judgment?”

Yeah, the collective history of your posts on this blog.

Tiberius (the former Dave R.)

August 24th, 2011
8:48 pm

“Me and you disagree as much or more than we agree but you’ve always been civil towards me.”

Back at ya, Hillbilly.

I always give those I’m debating with a free pass until they start with the name calling, but I’ve had it up to here with Bookman’s double standards and the juvenile posts of too many on that blog. When Bookman finally tried to justify the actions of a couple of his posters who decided to investigate a couple of bloggers (my self included) in order to “out” their anonymity, I was done with him.

Maybe if their discussions rise to the halfway point of the level of a josef, I might go back, but until then, unless they’re talking about something other than politics, I’m outta there. They just don’t have the intellectual honesty to converse about serious issues there anymore.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 24th, 2011
8:59 pm

Anybody who thinks Bush vacationed more than obozo has some serious mental issues, just sayin…

Daddee

August 24th, 2011
9:02 pm

Its about time the President stopped arguing with these fools and did something about stopping the deportation and abusive treatment of these children who are as American as any that were born here. Hopefully, he will now start getting tough with these fools on a number of other issues.

MarkV

August 24th, 2011
9:04 pm

Tiberius (the former Dave R.) @8:42 pm: I knew you would avoid proving what you falsely claimed.

Rod

August 24th, 2011
9:15 pm

Rafe isn’t a happy, balanced, man. No name calling, just a personal observation. If you are wise, you don’t engage anyone who appears to be this disturbed and or angry (his writings obviously speak for themselves).

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

August 24th, 2011
9:34 pm

A shocking 49 percent of all babies born in the U.S. are born to families receiving food supplements from the WIC program, according to Jean Daniel, spokesperson for the USDA.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunger-home-american-children-malnourished/story?id=14367230
——————————-

This is what success looks like to the Idiot Messiah.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

August 24th, 2011
9:37 pm

MarkV: When you blame THE GOVERNMENT, you write as if it were some occupying force. The “government” consists of people we have elected.
————————

Wrong. We elect 537 federal government employees. It is the hundreds of thousands of unelected parasite bureaucrats who make up the occupying force interfering in our lives and destroying our economy.

itsmeagain

August 24th, 2011
9:49 pm

So… You’re complaining that he said he wont use one of the powers he is granted by the constitution, the highest law of the land? Complaining for the sake of it Kyle

Rafe Hollister (non hater)

August 24th, 2011
10:03 pm

Rod
Sorry I am getting under your thin skin. You will feel better once Barry has departed. I think the US would be better off with a Republican or even a smart Democrat in office, but from the perspective of entertainment, it is better to poke fun when the other team is in charge. Dubyah really disappointed me, but it was hard to exploit his failings when I voted for him. Once Perry or Romney are in office, you will feel better not having to play defense anymore.

Vontorious

August 24th, 2011
10:05 pm

“…that doesn’t mean I don’t know very well the real pain and heartbreak that deportations cause.”

You’d think that punishing most criminals would cause pain and heartbreak to someone – like the perp’s family and friends – but who’da thunk that was a determinant in whether the law is enforced. I guess now, what with ‘change’ and all, it is.

Mick

August 24th, 2011
10:12 pm

welcome wagon

Well dave good luck on your new home. I guess its worth remembering, you can please some of the people some of the time but you’ll never please all the people all the time….

Soothsayer

August 24th, 2011
10:15 pm

Well, what do we have here: a veritable Salon des Refusés who used to post at Bookman’s blog. There’s Lil Barry Bumout, I Report and Whine, Little Davy Crybaby. Did I leave anybody out?

It’s a good thing you’re all here, elsewise, poor ol’ Kyle wouldn’t got no posters at all!

Soothsayer

August 24th, 2011
10:25 pm

SNOOKI CLAIMS OBAMA FATHERED HER ILLEGITIMATE CHILD! “He kept saying it was his ‘entitlement.’”

Kyle, I thought I would help you with your thread for tomorrow.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)

August 24th, 2011
10:35 pm

Soothsayer: Did I leave anybody out?
—————————

Yes. Yourself. Now, go back to the echo chamber, where folks who defeat the host are banned.

Mick

August 24th, 2011
11:13 pm

**where folks who defeat the host are banned.**

That’s funny, is that one of your goals with Kyle, you know to um, defeat the host? Just askin…

Get Real

August 24th, 2011
11:25 pm

All I know is Nov 2012 cannot get here fast enough. I hope there is something left of this country after 4 years of liberalism. It has served a cold shower reality check…

Tiberius (the former Dave R.)

August 24th, 2011
11:27 pm

“Well, what do we have here: a veritable Salon des Refusés who used to post at Bookman’s blog. There’s Lil Barry Bumout, I Report and Whine, Little Davy Crybaby. Did I leave anybody out?’

And the conspiracy theorist 9/11 truther just proved why the level of discussion over at Bookman’s has degraded to 5th grade. They have their little fun, but they simply won’t discuss issues seriously anymore.

Tiberius (the former Dave R.)

August 24th, 2011
11:29 pm

“I knew you would avoid proving what you falsely claimed.”

MarkV, I’ll just let the evidence speak for itself. No use repeating that which contains no value whatsoever.

Tiberius (the former Dave R.)

August 24th, 2011
11:32 pm

“So… You’re complaining that he said he wont use one of the powers he is granted by the constitution, the highest law of the land?’

No, itsmeagain, I think Kyle is saying that SELECTIVE enforcement based on political expediency while treating people inequitably is the problem here.

struggling

August 24th, 2011
11:42 pm

First hand I know my HUSBAND was deported for a 5 year old parking ticket that I tried to go pay.I was 5 months pregnant with out 3rd child. My children lost their father I lost our home our cars EVERYTHING… Seriously???? We paid taxes , medical insurance and now well now we are on government assisted housing foodstamps and medicaid. Thanks…. My great grandfather , grandfather, dad, uncles, brother, cousins, and friends have fought for this country to be free… It is a joke…. All the deadbeat dads out here!!! I am disappointed in this country… Maybe a move is in order…

Mick

August 25th, 2011
12:02 am

tiberius
sic semper tyrannis!!

buck@gon

August 25th, 2011
1:17 am

Dave @ 10:57 am,

Well said!

buck@gon

August 25th, 2011
1:24 am

Soothsayer,

Go back to your Bookman chat room, please.

Hey, I hear Bookman’s going to take another vacation soon. Why don’t you faculty-loungers post another 5000 entries on his blog?

buck@gon

August 25th, 2011
1:37 am

Not a US Citizen,

Sorry about all that; I really am. The last time amnesty was granted was 1986. A Democrat Congress wanted it, and Reagan agreed with the all-too-frequent Congressional guarantee that funding would be provided to enforce border security. As we see in the promise to cut “future” spending in return for a vote on tax increases, like the promise to “fund” social security (or like the promise that it IS funded), we also see that in this instance, Congress could not be trusted.

It’s not that we are against another amnesty. Most of us aren’t, and we certainly need to make the rules easier for future citizens who really want to be here as Americans. What we are against is our own government that will gladly grant amnesty and yet refuse, as ever to carry out its own promises by which it secures the border (finally) and support for the measure in the first place.

We Tea Partyers know this failing to promise very well, hence our vigilance, particularly about spending.

Democrats will do whatever is politically expedient for the victim du jour.

Rick in Grayson

August 25th, 2011
5:38 am

Georgia has some very strict anti-illegal immigrant rules now, but the federal government will not allow states to protect themselves from the burdens/costs of illegal immigration. Yet our politicians continue to fail us in protecting and securing our borders.

Unfortunately, Obama and the Democrats continue to fight these anti-illegal immigrant rules. They put the interests of illegal aliens before those of US citizens that need jobs to support their families. They continue to force local taxpayers to fund the K-12 educations (and in some states they subsidize college educations) of the children of illegal aliens. Obama has now implemented the “Dream” Act which has not been approved by Congress.

Obama and the Democrats have just put in place new policies that provide the US with an open borders immigration environment. Now, Illegal aliens regardless of age, will not be deported unless they have been convicted of a felony.

We continue these policies along with adding more legal immigrants than the number of new jobs being created in the US. All this is happening during a time of severe unemployment. Unemployment is much higher than the 10% figure stated in the news because so many US citizens have given up hope of finding a job to support their families.

We can’t even provide for our own citizens! We have a huge national deficit yet we continue with entitlement/welfare programs that are unsustainable. Since we can take care of our own citizens, why should be responsible for the citizens of other countries?

Joel Edge

August 25th, 2011
6:10 am

Hopefully this problem will be taken care of in 2012.

JDW

August 25th, 2011
7:43 am

@Rafe who wrote:

“Dems must be getting desperate, out of ideas, as they suddenly quote Reagan quite frequently.
Reagan has a big heart and wanted what was best for America.”

Rafe I quote Reagan to try and give you some idea of how far removed from reality today’s Republican party has become. On one hand they worship the man and on the other in today’s environment a candidate EXACTLY like him would be branded a “liberal” and tossed on the rubbish heap. As for his heart and wanting the best for America. However misguided he was I did not question his motives. I do question the motives of today’s Republicans. They are driven by greed, power and “winning” at all costs. They do not have America’s best interests at heart.

As for this bit…”He was gullible when the Dems made promises and shook his hand and being the cowboy he was thought that their intentions were honorable.”

I think you will find that like all immigration reform when it came down to brass tacks the Republican corporate lobby was the driving force behind stripping the law of its teeth. They are the ones that don’t want the burden of enforcing legality on the job nor do they want to lose the labor.

As for LLB, the only childish fairy tales I see here are coming from Rafe. BTW does dissing a Republican God get you time in the penalty box with those guys in Cherokee County?

Karl Childers

August 25th, 2011
8:44 am

MarkV – So, let me get this straight, anyone who comprehensively shoots down one of your inane arguments is a candidate for psychiatric care? That is pure arrogance.

sircharles19

August 25th, 2011
8:51 am

There has been greater things that a person says before they actually do it…now immigration reform is back at center stage. The bottom line to this whole thing is, the United States Immigration Laws; already a known fact and there should be nothing else said about it! You have to apply to become United States Citizens; anything less then applying legally, then those people of all races who are here in the United States illegally, ae subject to the immigration laws and deporation. The President does not have to make this an issue nor give anything other than the truth about those who are here undocumented. As U.S. citizens, we cannot go to other countries illegally, so why make Immigration a big issues?

Real Athens

August 25th, 2011
9:08 am

Kyle@8/24;4:31

Yes, um, the EPA is part of the Executive Branch. However, EPA is called a regulatory agency because Congress has GRANTED authority to write regulations necessary to implement environmental laws.

The EPA was created by Richard M. Nixon.

Regarding who is in control of the EPA. I think it’s obvious that whomever donates the most cash, i.e. Oil, Pharmaceutical, Agriculture and Chemical companies — regardless of what party controls the WH, Senate or Congress.

MarkV

August 25th, 2011
9:15 am

Tiberius (the former Dave R.) @August 24th, 2011 11:29 pm “MarkV, I’ll just let the evidence speak for itself. No use repeating that which contains no value whatsoever.”

Translation: You do not have any evidence.

killerj

August 25th, 2011
9:29 am

What a snide little man,you sure his middle name,s not butt?.Go Tea Party.

NameJacker

August 25th, 2011
9:48 am

Really? Really?

zeke

August 25th, 2011
10:01 am

ARREST AND DEPORT THEM ALL! Impeach the fake in the white house! Arrest and imprison anyone transporting, hiding, employing any illegal!

hryder

August 25th, 2011
10:24 am

If the voters do not turn this person out in November of 2012, the country will probably be doomed as anyone born prior to 2000 would be able to recall. Whether conscious of the reasons for coming to the U.S. or not almost all come for the opportunities, not guaranteed, for unlimited success. When such people do not follow the legal steps and the commonly accepted ways of the majority of the people their liklihood of being successful is very limited and the country’s value’s are lowered if and when they are permitted to remain or stay illegally. There is no way this should be permitted and would not be if existing laws were enforced. When the CEO of the country states that such laws will not activily be inforced or any other similar laws, that lack of following sworn duties indicates impeachment, conviction, and removal from office.

Karl Childers

August 25th, 2011
10:39 am

I have a question for MarkV. Are we going to force the undocumented illegal aliens to purchase health care insurance also? Or do they get an exemption from the unconstitutional “individual mandate?”

DawgDad

August 25th, 2011
10:41 am

We need to keep in mind the immigration policy issues cross party lines. The solution is not just turning out Obama; we need to be very mindful of who and what follows, and there is a LOT of political realignment needed within the GOP.

Josey Wales

August 25th, 2011
10:44 am

Hey Kyle,

I got a good couple of laughs but you may have to shut this thing down, even I don’t want in on this fight

peace

DawgDad

August 25th, 2011
10:47 am

Re: WIC program (Lil Barry 9:34 pm). I have it on good authority the State of Georgia is currently beefing up its WIC fraud investigative staff. As a conservative, it’s hard to argue the good intentions of this program. I just hope for everyone’s sake the corruption can be checked.

Obama: Heads Congress does what I want, tails I do it anyway

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