Three cheap ways for Obama to spur job growth
“We should not have to choose,” President Barack Obama said this past week, “between getting our fiscal house in order and jobs and growth.”
If that sounds unobjectionable, that’s because it’s another of those “false choices” Obama imagines to be filling the minds of everyone else in America.
But the solution is not more public spending now and higher taxes later to pay for it.
Corporate balance sheets are flush with cash. Banks have the problem of a “reverse run”: Instead of a rush of withdrawals, they have too much money coming in (which are recorded as liabilities and raise their deposit-insurance costs).
Private money is available. But capital has gone on strike.
The way to get jobs and growth without adding to the debt is not to seize it through taxes or government borrowing and force it into the economy. Washington has tried that.
What hasn’t been tried lately is encouraging private actors to put their money to work on their own volition. Here are three low- or no-cost possibilities for Obama:
1. Make some phone calls.
Not to business leaders, but to his own Cabinet secretaries.
In a recent appearance on Fox News, a former chief economist for the Labor Department, Diana Furchtgott-Roth, said Obama could “make things a lot easier on employers and on hiring” by telling the bureaucracy to stop making new rules that crimp businesses.
“He could call EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson and say, ‘Why don’t we just hold off on those new ozone rules, or clean air rules, until the unemployment rate is down to 7 percent?’ ,” Furchtgott-Roth said.
“He could call his Interior secretary and say, ‘Why don’t we just allow more oil drilling in the Gulf [of Mexico]?’ Because there’s been a moratorium since the BP oil spill — that’s about a year and a half ago.
“He could tell his National Labor Relations Board acting general counsel, Lafe Solomon, ‘Hey, why don’t you just lay off Boeing?’ Because Boeing wants to open a new plant in South Carolina to build [787] Dreamliners, and [Solomon] says they can only a new plant in Washington state, where they have their existing plant.”
The list, she said, is long. “Each cabinet secretary is doing things that impede businesses from creating jobs.”
2. Temporarily lower the minimum wage.
I don’t mean lowering existing workers’ wages. Rather, allow companies to pay additional hires a little less. To sweeten the deal, the government might continue to pay the new worker a portion of any jobless benefits to which he or she is still entitled, to offset the lower wage. This would save the government from paying full unemployment benefits while lowering the company’s cost.
One of the more ill-timed moves by Congress in recent years was that of the new Democratic majorities in 2007 to raise the minimum wage in three steps. Even after the recession hit, the floor for wages kept rising. The higher wages have only hurt the millions of low-paid workers who lost jobs.
In fact, the jobless rate for high-school dropouts began rising soon after the 2007 bill. By this July, it stood at 15 percent — much higher than any other grouping by education level.
The absolute number of 16- to 19-year-olds with jobs in July was the lowest since 1963 — when there were 5 million fewer Americans in that age range.
3. Tear down some houses.
Normally, I would agree with 19th century French economist Frederic Bastiat’s “broken window fallacy.” You don’t create wealth by destroying wealth.
But hundreds of thousands of foreclosed houses are already destroying wealth by bringing down the value of other homes. And the longer they sit empty, the more likely they’ll become uninhabitable anyway because of mold or other conditions.
The feds own about 248,000 foreclosed homes. They should follow the example of some commercial banks and raze a portion of them. This would create truly shovel-ready jobs in an ailing sector, and perhaps end the freefall of home values.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
6:26 pm
The idea of tearing down some of those houses , might have some merit. From the quality of a lot of the boomtime construction that I saw, it might be more efficient just to let them sit empty about 10 years. A lot of them will be falling apart by then, from what I’ve seen.
I know of one subdivision where virtually every house in it, has already had to have a new roof and they are less than 5 years old.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
6:31 pm
Howdy, Brother HD.
Just wanted to let you know that everyone has been missing you over at Jay’s blog. I guess you have your reasons for not stopping by…….our loss.
Best wishes to you.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 19th, 2011
6:41 pm
You forgot #4…Have Obozo and Biden resign simultaneously.
hatorade drinkers
August 19th, 2011
6:45 pm
You will be needing a job soon if you don’t blog with a lot more intelligence, with facts and arguments based on reasoning and logic. I don’t know how long your employer will accept your inability to attract throngs of commentators to your asinine posts. Shows you are hopelessly out of your depth and you should consider a fruit picking job in southern jawja.
MarkV
August 19th, 2011
6:49 pm
Jay,
Do you really believe that the companies will start hiring if some rules are postponed, when there is no demand for the products the companies make? The way to spur growth and reduce unemployment is to create demand, and you will not do it by allowing dirty air or dangerous drilling, or by reducing the minimum wage.
ByteMe
August 19th, 2011
6:50 pm
I hope this isn’t running on Sunday, Kyle, because it reflects terribly on you.
“He could call his Interior secretary and say, ‘Why don’t we just allow more oil drilling in the Gulf [of Mexico]?’ Because there’s been a moratorium since the BP oil spill — that’s about a year and a half ago.
There was a moratorium on “deep-water drilling”, not on all drilling. And that moratorium was lifted LAST OCTOBER. Jeez. There are more rigs operating in the Gulf this year than last year. Just check the EIA site for details. Or this… http://www.platts.com/weblog/oilblog/2011/08/02/us_regulators_i.html
The feds own about 248,000 foreclosed homes. They should follow the example of some commercial banks and raze a portion of them. This would create truly shovel-ready jobs in an ailing sector, and perhaps end the freefall of home values.
And who exactly would tear these down for free? Oh, wait, you have to spend money to make that happen? Whose money? The taxpayer owns them, so wouldn’t that be taxpayer money? Isn’t that the same choice you said didn’t exist?
ByteMe
August 19th, 2011
6:53 pm
And as MarkV pointed out, the problem with employment isn’t on the business side: corporations are sitting on $1 Trillion in cash. The problem is on demand side and has been since the “bank of my house” went belly-up for much of the nation. Increase demand and employment solves itself. How do you increase demand? Just ask Keynes what he would do.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
6:54 pm
Bruno
Good wishes to you, too. I’m done over there, though.
MarkV
August 19th, 2011
6:56 pm
Kyle,
As a matter of fact, the regulations you have mentioned, like the ozone and clear air rule, are ways to spur growth, because they lead to innovation and development of clean energy sources.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 19th, 2011
6:59 pm
“The way to spur growth and reduce unemployment is to create demand”
———————
Obozo wasted $800 billion “creating demand”. How’d that work out?
If more regulations were the answer, the economy would be booming under your fascist Idiot Messiah.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
7:09 pm
Good wishes to you, too. I’m done over there, though.
I certainly hope that I didn’t have anything to do with your choice, HD. You know that I’ve always had the highest regard for you. Thanks for all the great times and especially for all the great tunes. I’ll drop by Kyles’ every so often to check on you.
Tommy Maddox
August 19th, 2011
7:13 pm
“…the regulations you have mentioned, like the ozone and clear air rule, are ways to spur growth, because they lead to innovation and development of clean energy sources…”
Is this what gave rise to the Chevy Volt?
getalife
August 19th, 2011
7:19 pm
Was it something I said HD?
Now you cons are finally worried about jobs?
Nothing from the gop house and they will vote down the President’s plan as usual.
Stop stealing them will be a good start.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
7:23 pm
Alright, HD, from the gang:
http://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=eFHJ41ktt3Q
getalife
August 19th, 2011
7:23 pm
Where is that Andy character?
Catch any lunkers?
MarkV
August 19th, 2011
7:24 pm
Tommy Maddox @7:13 pm: You want to make a bet on the future of electric cars?
Jack
August 19th, 2011
7:25 pm
I’m not sure which corporate balance sheets Wingfield is referring to. His information may come from the media or some other “official” source. Whatever. If a company has surplus funds, they’re likely set aside for improvements or new equipment. It takes profits to expand and the uncertainly recently about tax increases has made money managers a little nervous. Managers could hire additional employees if they knew payroll and unemployment taxes would be reduced. But all the liberals, including Obama, want to increase taxes; increase taxes on the “rich” and kill the golden goose: “poor” people don’t produce jobs.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
7:27 pm
Kyle, hope you don’t mind, but this is tribute night to Hillbilly Deluxe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw1bHaUk1CM&feature=related
MarkV
August 19th, 2011
7:31 pm
“Managers could hire additional employees if they knew payroll and unemployment taxes would be reduced.”
Since that would apply to their competitors as well, they would hire new employees to make more of the products, for which there was not enough demand?
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
7:32 pm
Here’s from Soothsayer to you, HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOi0tC00Luc
Last week I went to Harper’s Ferry, WV. Antietam was just north of there.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
7:34 pm
From josef to you, HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_vtOd_d40o&feature=related
Why don’t you come on back for just one night????
Mick
August 19th, 2011
7:35 pm
Hillbilly d
Hey just wanted to wish you the best, common sense ain’t so common anymore-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5HlfXPG0HI
moonbat betty
August 19th, 2011
7:40 pm
Enter your comments here
moonbat betty
August 19th, 2011
7:41 pm
HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH24t8mm7kw
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
7:44 pm
Chet and Jerry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni8KBhnebwE
josef
August 19th, 2011
7:52 pm
I miss you greatly. Somehow, though, I think I understand…you’re a True Southern Gentleman of Culture and Breeding…
posted this one for you over there….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_vtOd_d40o
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
7:53 pm
From the Blue Sky Boys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhOcxYIjsAo
rural one
August 19th, 2011
7:55 pm
Kyle,
Jobs are NOT the Presidents responsibility and he/she can do little about it. Even if you take the view of policy influence. Industry creates jobs. Period. Companies looking to expand will certainly expand, if the costs are higher than they used to be they will factor them in and /or pass them along or they will innovate, but they will expand, they will create new markets, they will test their competition. Presidents have no more control over jobs than they do over gas prices at the pump and anyone buying that a President can somehow take the price for a gallon back to $1.79 does not know how these things operate. Now can the government stir more motivation? I think so.. but the buck stops with Industry on job creation.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
7:56 pm
And from the man himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TSzNhK8F3E
josef
August 19th, 2011
7:57 pm
And Kyle and Company…
Our loss is your gain…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 19th, 2011
8:02 pm
Wrong blog? Oh, a tribute-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um4pnvJr07A
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
8:10 pm
A tribute song for Reporter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkkL_aDrIyU
josef
August 19th, 2011
8:16 pm
Reporter…
We all miss Hillbilly. He is a gentleman. You, on the other hand… however, I DO miss you…but then I love everybody but Helen Thomas and Duk-shan-ee U-ni-lu-tsv-hi!
getalife
August 19th, 2011
8:20 pm
Make phone calls?
They are out of kitchen sinks to throw at the w collapse.
We lost a decade thanks to w.
Man up and deal with it cons.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 19th, 2011
8:21 pm
Whats up, B&J?
So yosef, are you now a stone cold Republican like the rest of the world or what?
Surely you can’t still be………….an obozo cult member.
ew
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
8:26 pm
Somehow, though, I think I understand…
Probably more than you know.
I love everybody but Helen Thomas and Duk-shan-ee U-ni-lu-tsv-hi!
I never met Helen Thomas.
This’n is for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGAFOz5GA8I
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
8:26 pm
This’n is for the rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7NNMKBPsw
getalife
August 19th, 2011
8:27 pm
Hey Andy,
We told you w was a disaster.
We are looking at a decade to recover the over 14 million jobs w lost.
Did you really think Obama is super man and can clean up your mess in two years.
“Need a little patience, yeah, yeah, yeah” GnR.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
8:28 pm
Forgot my
after the 2nd Helen Thomas.
IR/YW
Probably never been a more underappreciated band than Badfinger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53QAuOoSgc&feature=related
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
8:33 pm
MarkV
August 19th, 2011
7:24 pm
Yeah, I’ll make a bet on electric cars, MarxV. Or against them, pick your argument, just be sure it’s your usual choice – socialist or for BIG GUB’MENT.
One other thing MarxV, companies aren’t chomping at the bits to add employees to their payrolls for the sake of small reductions in payroll and unemployment taxes. In fact, companies really don’t want anymore employees on their payrolls than they must have to make a profit and they would like those profits to be very nice big ones that are not eaten-up by the overhead of expendable employees.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
8:33 pm
Probably never been a more underappreciated band than Badfinger.
Except maybe Spanky and Our Gang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5PfbqIErKE
This’n is for the rest.
I do my share of dishing, HD, but you’ll have to factor in that I’m a Yankee. Growing up in those cold Jersey winters puts a crust on you.
josef
August 19th, 2011
8:34 pm
Hillbilly
Thank you ever so much…that one just, well, says it all to me…
However, I’ve still got my stick out for the Imam Bruin Torquemada and his MAJOR historians! It’s dirty work, but somebody has to do it!
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
8:36 pm
Well, crap, if we could get Am over here, the Blog Band would be together again one last time. He’s crying in his beer tonight over wrecking his Lexus. That after all his bashing of corporatists.
josef
August 19th, 2011
8:37 pm
REPORTER
Me? A Republican? The Party of Diocletian of the Potomac? The party of the occupation? Bite yo Yankee tongue…Granny’s gray ghost would rise and smite me cold!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 19th, 2011
8:37 pm
Sorry, gitmo, but you’ll have to help me remember when Bushie brought us a 1 trillion dollar Porkulus, lost 3 wars, regulated the air we breath, Quantitively Eased our children’s future to China, armed the Mexican drug gangs so they could kill border patrol agents, pulled a Castro on General Motors, shutdown the national energy production industry, tore the Constitution to shreds taking over the most successful health care industry in the world, released all the illegals back into your neighborhood, must I go on?
Do you libs ever own up?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 19th, 2011
8:38 pm
W was a disaster? Your Idiot Messiah has produced unemployment higher in every month of His regime than in any month of our President Bush’s eight years. Some disaster. And it only cost us $800 billion in failed stimulus and $1.5 trillion deficits every year.
Heckuva job, Obozo!
Obozo: Loser.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 19th, 2011
8:40 pm
Corporations will add jobs when they damn well feel like it. Ever since Obozo started getting his program through Congress and revving up the regulatory machine, they haven’t much felt like it.
The best jobs program? Firing Obozo.
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
8:40 pm
Hillbilly D – Ever notice the musical style similarities between Baby Blue-Badfinger and The Fab Four- And Your Bird Can Sing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XtdQTLL-XU
getalife
August 19th, 2011
8:41 pm
Well, you can still bring it Andy.
He will serve another term and then he can collapse the global economy, hand over a couple more wars, tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare for the drug companies and pass it back to your party like w did.
Just to be fair.
Are you a wild eyed, crazy bachmann voter?
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
8:43 pm
josef
Since you’re here. I saw a documentary the other day on South America, it’s economic development, colonialism as viewed through the current situation, etc. Wish I could remember the name of it. Anyway, since we’ve discussed before how the terms “liberal” and “conservative” have lost much of their meaning, the people talking in the documentary, when discussing the concept of laisse faire, taking the resources out of South America for U.S. and European profit and such, they referred to laisse faire as “neo-liberalism”. Bet that’d send heads a-spinnin’ on both sides of most of these blogs.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 19th, 2011
8:46 pm
Perry, Palin or Bachmann, it matters not to me. Long as we’re rid of obozo.
And that ain’t wild eye you see, that’s a leer.
Republican chicks are hot.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
8:46 pm
Michael H
Yes, I have noticed that. As you probably know, the Beatles lent a lot of help to Badfinger, George Harrison in particular. If I’m not mistaken, George played guitar on “Baby Blue”. Those walkdowns in that song are pure George. “Badge” by Cream is another example of the walkdowns and George played that lead, too.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 19th, 2011
8:48 pm
Now if we could just get Midori over here, we could have ourselves a little reunion!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 19th, 2011
8:48 pm
I used to think all women politicians were grossly overweight, ugly screeching battle wagons, pant suit wearing nagging socialists, but that was when Hillary was the only one.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
8:48 pm
Speaking of runs, another HD favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgI5DMVegIk
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
8:50 pm
Hillbilly D – they referred to laisse faire as “neo-liberalism”
Also called “Classical Liberalism” often associated with the Libertarian Party of today.
It’s probably at this point where I and the Libertarian Party (with some so-called conservatives as well) truly part ways.
josef
August 19th, 2011
8:51 pm
Hillbilly
Did you catch “You Don’t Know Dixie” on History Channel? Thought about you a lot while watching it!
Oh, and that Badfinger…one of my all time favorites…
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 19th, 2011
8:53 pm
MHS, I’m pretty sure the “liberals” who believe in things like liberty would more properly be called “paleo-liberals”. It’s been some time since any of the species inhabited the Democrat party.
j$
August 19th, 2011
8:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q7Mih69KE
Moderate Line
August 19th, 2011
8:55 pm
I did not believe the stimulus package would work and I don’t believe any of this would work either.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 19th, 2011
8:58 pm
I don’t know what Sharon Tate has to do with this song but whatever-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqwhcqT1FEg
josef
August 19th, 2011
8:58 pm
Michael Smith…
Since I’m over here right now and so are you…you’re still number one in my book…I think about that post of yours that time almost daily…tbanks again…
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
8:58 pm
Hillbilly D -
Yeah does it ever show through and if George Harrison didn’t play on Baby Blue somebody in the Badfinger group took lesson from George off of the Revolver album.
Someone told me that Badfinger recorded at Apple Studios, don’t know if it is true but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:00 pm
Bruno @ 8:48
Very good. The great Grady Martin on lead guitar. A 4:40 minute song and he never repeats a lead run. Each one is different.
josef @ 8:51
I did see that and it reminded me of what you and I have tried to teach the non-Southerners. The South is by no means one big homogeneous place. It’s many cultures, some as different as night and day from each other. I did like Trace Adkins at the end. “The South is the soul of this country”, he said. I’d agree and I make no claim to being objective about it.
Moderate Line
August 19th, 2011
9:00 pm
Japan has not reached the GDP level it had in 1995 which was because of a real estate bust. I believe that the slump we are currently in will last quite sometime.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:01 pm
Well, we can’t have a HD reunion without some Willie Nelson. If we can’t get Mohammed to come to the mountain, then we’ll bring the darn mountain to Mohammed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u5LZ-DN3iA
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:02 pm
Someone told me that Badfinger recorded at Apple Studios, don’t know if it is true but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Yes, they were on the Apple label and when the Beatles broke up, the resulting lawsuits pretty much sunk Badfinger’s career. They couldn’t record for several years, due to the legal fallout; it’s a sad story.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 19th, 2011
9:04 pm
Is Bookman’s blog broken or something?
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:05 pm
“The South is the soul of this country”
So, the North is the brains??
Just kidding, guys.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:06 pm
Is Bookman’s blog broken or something?
Actually, yes, since we lost Hillbilly Deluxe.
j$
August 19th, 2011
9:06 pm
hey dudes, grab your git-ars!
Mick
August 19th, 2011
9:07 pm
hillbilly d
Wouldn’t have it any other way-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04gR_ApuM8A&feature=related
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
9:08 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Somewhere around the Jacksonian era not much longer thereafter but the DEMWITS real downfall started with SOCIALIST Woodrow Wilson.
The thing that really gets me, of course at the time I was too politically unaware but LBJ ( I’ll not send Amurikun boys and girls halfway around the world) and his Great Society – as I look back on that guy, he was more communist than Uncle Ho Chi Minh.
getalife
August 19th, 2011
9:09 pm
Still hating Hillary Andy?
Best SoS ever.
“Former Reagan, Bush Official: Rick Perry Is ‘An Idiot’” Aol.
The idiot will not listen to rove.
It is willard’s turn to lose to Obama this cycle.
Here is his plan:
Stay sane and don’t panic.
Too late for the sane part,
Huntsman was the only one that would never default.
Obama by default.
Four more years,
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:10 pm
Another HD favorite, and the Bill Monroe version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ldLdrZOOWM
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:10 pm
Mick
Marshall Tucker (the original lineup) has always been one of my favorite bands. That’s one of their lesser known songs and one of the best, in my opinion.
So, the North is the brains??
Or it could be another body part.
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
9:10 pm
josef – Good to see you’re still around.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:14 pm
Hillary hasn’t done a bad job as Secretary of State but she’s not the best ever. George Marshall immediately comes to mind on a short list. The Marshall Plan was brilliant, in my opinion.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 19th, 2011
9:15 pm
President Bachmann will cut the government to the bone, rid us of the mindless oversight and free us from the parasitical unions.
Prosperity, coming to a hood near you in 2013.
If we still exist.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:16 pm
Better work some Stringbean in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wxbVN-wAiI&feature=related
josef
August 19th, 2011
9:21 pm
Hillbilly
Would like to have seen that one! You know how much I get tickled over the so-called “liberal” and their view of laissez-faire, completely unaware that laissez faire is at the very core of what liberal means! Then, here will come the “conservative” spouting philosophies which would make Karl Marx drool!
Me? I’ve decided I want to be a zionist running dog of corporate capitalism and a union thug…that is, in retirement on the taxpayer’s dime…
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:23 pm
In the pocket, as always:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5yyeyLnnoo
getalife
August 19th, 2011
9:23 pm
HD,
Good pick.
He had a bigger mess to clean up.
getalife
August 19th, 2011
9:26 pm
Andy,
We will exist.
Have you ever “cured” anybody like Mr. Bachmann?
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:31 pm
This is the group that sold me on Southern Rock way back in the early 70s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwbowi-8Yoo
At any rate, HD, do I get any cred for being from South Jersey??
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:32 pm
Bruno @ 9:23
I’m still amazed at what George McCorkle (rhythm guitar), Paul Riddle (drums) and Tommy Caldwell (bass) had going on behind Toy Caldwell’s lead guitar and Jerry Eubank’s flute, in that song.
Me? I’ve decided I want to be a zionist running dog of corporate capitalism and a union thug…that is, in retirement on the taxpayer’s dime…
Maybe if you’re in retirement a zionist walking dog of corporate capitalism would suit you better.
moonbat betty
August 19th, 2011
9:32 pm
let it rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebt0BR5wHYs
josef
August 19th, 2011
9:34 pm
Is Bookman’s blog broken? Nanh, but our moral compass has changed sites…
Michael…
You know me, I’ll stick around for no other reason than to stir up the you-know-what!
HILLBILLY
Trace Adkins really impressed me with that comment. Herschel Walker was another one who did…a True Southern Gentleman of Culture and Breeding, he. And talking about our multi-cultural Weltanaschauung and how we have many, many lessons to teach the nation in “how to,” the segment on Southern Jews was just great! And, yes, I’ve had a pig ear sandwich from the Big Apple cafe, too! But I think the one that tickled me the most was the feller who built his own tractor. It was like a visit with my Uncle Ralph, the leprachaun of the hedge school, and when he built the car and the helicopter! It was such a relief to hear “us” talking about “us” for a change. Frankly, I was surprised it ever got made, much less aired….
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:36 pm
do I get any cred for being from South Jersey??
Partial credit.
I had ancestors in South Jersey/PA/Delaware area at one time. They had the good sense to head south as soon as they finished that little set to, with the British. I reckon we’ve always been involved in a set to with somebody. When we run out of anybody to scrap with, we scrap amongst ourselves. Things have been pretty calm the last couple of decades, though.
josef
August 19th, 2011
9:37 pm
HILLBILLY
Yeah. Marshall. But we DO know where the Marshall Plan came from, eh? Not something the MAJOR historians want to make a point of…thank you Mama Trumann and the Sons of the Confederate Veterans…
Rafe Hollister
August 19th, 2011
9:40 pm
Kyle, your three might be easier to implement, but I think these three things create many more jobs.
1. Repeal Obamacare
2. Reform the tax code, i.e. something like the Fair Tax
3. Enforce immigration laws by auditing employers and levying fines on those caught employing illegals.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:40 pm
Back at ya, moonbat betty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOH3a4ku3xw&feature=related
josef
August 19th, 2011
9:42 pm
BRUNO (and HILLBILLY)
What was that about taking the mountain to…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Rwu5yPUrc
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:42 pm
josef @ 9:34
While I was watching Herschel, I was just thinking how that would set the excepted notions on their ear. Herschel is every bit as Southern as you or I or anybody else, and he loves being it as much as we do.
The guy who built the tractor reminded me of any number of people I’ve known. “Making do” is what we’ve always called it.
Disclaimer I just got through building a riding lawnmower out of pieces of two lawn mowers. Not the prettiest thing you’ve ever seen but it runs and I got about $3 invested in the conversion.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:42 pm
I had ancestors in South Jersey/PA/Delaware area at one time. They had the good sense to head south as soon as they finished that little set to, with the British.
There’s likely as many Rednecks in South Jersey as any Southern State. You should have seen the outpouring of grief when Dale Earnhardt passed away.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:44 pm
Sushi run–back in a flash.
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
9:44 pm
Then, here will come the “conservative” spouting philosophies which would make Karl Marx drool!
That I would seriously doubt josef, Karl Marx and most liberals of the marxist obumer type cannot stand being forced to govern from within the confine of the Constitution which extremely limits the actual powers of the federal government. This is what gives these characters their definition of Progressive which means governing outside of and beyond the authority of the Constitution without making amendments to the governing document itself.
Progressives? Not really. Just a bunch of fascist with marxist goals in mind.
True “conservatives” just want to go back to the Constitution, Though I know where your mind goes on that one but believe me when I say this, most “social conservatives” really don’t want nor can they live within the confines of the Constitution either. Why? Because drug laws, gaming laws, looking into someones bedroom, and federal marriage laws simply are not Constitutional. All those powers rightly belong to state governments. If we want to give the federal government more authority it should rightly be grant by the states or amendments and only by this process.
Mick
August 19th, 2011
9:45 pm
hillbilly d
Thanks for introducing me to this song-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6x_hEfiGgE&feature=related
Linda
August 19th, 2011
9:46 pm
Kyle’s blog has been invaded by Jay’s bloggers. Kyle has unwritten rules on here:
* you must post more than one sentence per comment (incomplete sentences don’t count)
* all words must be spelled correctly & grammar is a must
* no reference to wrestling
* no recipes
* no meanness
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:46 pm
josef
Yeah, Marshall and Truman knew the lessons of Radical Reconstruction and the Treaty of Versailles.
Another thing that made me laugh in that Dixie show was when they were talking about what makes up the South and Herschel says, “I’m not real sure Texas is the South”.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
9:47 pm
Linda–When the Wild Bunch is here, all the rules go out the window. Especially that rule about wrestling.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:54 pm
all words must be spelled correctly
At the risk of repeating myself, it’s a small minded person who thinks a word can only be spelt (and yes that’s a word, consult a large, thick dictionary) one way.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
9:55 pm
That’s rasslin’ Bruno. (Insert required second sentence here)
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
9:56 pm
Hillbilly D -
Odd as it may sound Texas has always been something of its’ own possession: It’s not called the “Lone Star” State for nothing. After all it is the only once independent nation to ever entered the union.
Mick
August 19th, 2011
10:02 pm
Heard this tune today-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSTtreO8Arc&feature=fvst
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
10:04 pm
Michael H Smith
I’ve never been to Texas but have known a good many Texans from all parts of the state. I’d agree they are sort of their own entity. From the people I’ve known, East Texans would be the most “southern”, in manner, culture, etc. They started out as people brought in by Mexico to serve as buffer between the Mexican population and the Commanches. Then things sort of got out of hand.
josef
August 19th, 2011
10:06 pm
Linda
We came to visit with our hero…not to exchange banalities and gratuitous swipes…he might be able to teach y’all a lesson or two in civility…
Michael…
Well, I would argue with you on that one but: one, I’m a guest here tonight and have to remember what Granny taught me
, two: I’ve got a bit of gin in me which might addle my brain a bit and the folks here don’t know me like you do, and three, don’t have my cut and pastes ready 
HILLBILLY
Felt much the same way about Herschel. Texas? I got a chuckle out of that one, too, But I’ve always maintained that Texas is what the South “would have been” had it had to opportunity to define itself for itself free of outside control…that nine years of the Republic…is it the South? I think its more the South than the South!
Mick
August 19th, 2011
10:08 pm
Speaking of wrastlin, here’s one for old times sake-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQXwSTh93o8
Linda
August 19th, 2011
10:09 pm
Bruno@9:47, Jay’s bloggers believe that man-made global warming is real because Jay said so. They believe that wrestling is real due to the same lack of cognitive reasoning. Some of us have not forgotten the story of the Pied Piper.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
10:10 pm
Don’t forget Hawaii as an independent nation.
Rasslin’ is entertainment. I was entertained by “Star Wars”, too, but I never thought it was real.
Linda
August 19th, 2011
10:14 pm
Bloggers who post over 5000 comments about a picture of a mural while the “journalist” is on vacation prove that the “journalist” is expendable.
Mick
August 19th, 2011
10:15 pm
**but I never thought it was real.**
Neither did I but they are however, tremendous athletes in their own right…
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
10:16 pm
Neither did I but they are however, tremendous athletes in their own right…
Yes, they are. For people who’ve never seen a match at ringside, you’d be amazed at the amount of contact they make.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:20 pm
Jay’s bloggers believe that man-made global warming is real because Jay said so.
Apparently, you haven’t been reading enough of my posts, Linda. I had to straighten a few of them out today about that Science Fiction known as Big Bang/Evolution. For some reason, a few of them over there think they know a thing or two about Science.
Mick
August 19th, 2011
10:20 pm
hillbilly d
Well, it’s been nice to share and I hope that your folks are doing well, best of luck and good health cause we all know that’s the true wealth-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffZRdPUnLw
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
10:22 pm
Okay time to break it down Mr. Wingfield.
obumer never takes advise(non-marxist) especially good advise(non-marxist), he is a hardcore leftwing ideologue who cannot change.
obumer has so alienated the business community it is doubtful he could ever do anything to win them back to help him.
There are a number of people around that when the time is right, which will likely be when obumer and his pee-gressive democrats are out of power, can and will put this thing back on the economic track.
Like the Langones and Marcus’ who don’t just talk a big BS game like most of these idiot obumer liberal economist. They’ve done it and they know what it takes to actually create wealth and create jobs.
As Marcus said because of Sarbanes-Oxley they could not successfully build another Home Depot today.
Repealing this kind of junk and eliminating regulations that just don’t make good economic sense will have to take place before business people are going to stick their necks out and risk their fortunes.
On your house idea, it could have legs. The building industry, particularly in housing, is ripe for the long overdue changes from the traditional stick builds using old tech materials.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:23 pm
In the first clinic I worked at, the office manager was the Mother-In-Law of Tank Abbot.
My wrestling hero wasn’t a wrestler, though. I present The Grand Wizard of Wrestling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt8LKlr-g0&feature=related
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:25 pm
Oops, make that King Kong Bundy. Tank Abbott was an early MMA star.
moonbat betty
August 19th, 2011
10:25 pm
Oye como va
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v13JAf6Oohc
AmVet
August 19th, 2011
10:26 pm
Hillbilly, for you and for you alone, I’ve come over here. (And I’m fairly drunk – for good reason) .
But you left me (us) and that is your business. I respect it (In a way) but I’m sad at how you did it.
You owe me nothing – including an explanation, but by way of explanation from me, my brother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Q7j6s_OKg
getalife
August 19th, 2011
10:27 pm
“David Von Erich – Died February 10, 1984 in Tokyo at age 25, Japan of a drug overdose, although the press was fed a story about intestinal problems.
Mike Von Erich – Died April 12, 1987 after committing suicide at the age of 23 by overdosing on Placidly, a tranquilizer.
Chris Von Erich – Died September 12, 1991 at the age of 21 after committing suicide by shooting himself.
Kerry Von Erich – Died February 18, 1993 at the age of 33 after committing suicide by shooting himself. He has been arrested that day on cocaine possession, violating his probation on another drug charge.
Kevin Von Erich – Retired from the sport.”
I played football with these guys but would never climb in the ring with any of them.
Nobody in town would.
Josef
August 19th, 2011
10:27 pm
I wouldn’t lightly tangle wit a pro wrestler…not even when I was young and in shape!
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:28 pm
Just for Linda:
Chief Jay Strongbow vs. Toru Tanaka. Just wait for the wardance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXZY1q5kSJk
Chief Jay was an authentic member of the Wop-a-ho tribe.
Linda
August 19th, 2011
10:31 pm
Hillbilly, If you want to continue to blog here, I would suggest you use a different name. I appreciate your contributions.
getalife
August 19th, 2011
10:32 pm
Linda,
What is your problem?
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
10:34 pm
Linda
My name is what I am. My hillbilly roots run back about 3 centuries. I’m very proud of it. If Kyle doesn’t want me to post here, he can boot me.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:34 pm
(And I’m fairly drunk – for good reason) .
Friggin corporatist, driving a Lexus.
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
10:38 pm
josef – Yeah, you probably could argue, to what end wouldn’t make any difference. From your view it would be mostly be emotional social issues not Constitutional ones, which quite readily can be settled in review of the Federalist Papers.
Numbers 41 and 45 sets the record very straight on federal and state powers. Federal powers are few and limited, State powers are many and very broad. You may not like what was just said about powers or rights but thems the facts sic as James “Little Jimmy” Madison made clear for all to read.
PS. Do understand a number of things really do need amending in the present Constitution to deal with uniformity issues that are problematic for the states.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:39 pm
Back at ya, moonbat betty, with a nod to HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIusePfLhd0
AmVet
August 19th, 2011
10:39 pm
My lovely brother B, at the risk of being a nitpicker, it was a Q45. And a real beauty…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhxh31lmVmI
Linda
August 19th, 2011
10:41 pm
Bruno@10:20, I value my sanity & my time. Therefore, I don’t read comments over there.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:45 pm
Alright, maybe I better have a drink to catch up with Brother Am. He’s definitely feeling it tonight.
Bruno@10:20, I value my sanity & my time. Therefore, I don’t read comments over there.
Understandable, Linda, but someone has to bring order to the chaos that is the JB Blog.
AmVet
August 19th, 2011
10:46 pm
For us…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOZ17BWje1Y
(All it did was change the world.)
getalife
August 19th, 2011
10:47 pm
Linda,
So you hang out at a echo chamber with no comments unless we show up.
Got it.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:47 pm
Alright, time for my favorite King Crimson song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlsAjke94Xc
Curious George went to Washington
August 19th, 2011
10:48 pm
hatorade drinkers
Your daddy should have left the load that created you on a crusty sock under the bed you dumb fu@K!
getalife
August 19th, 2011
10:49 pm
Sorry about the car AmVet.
I sold my old truck to a kid in the neighborhood.
His first car.
Totaled it in a month.
It was a great truck.
Curious George went to Washington
August 19th, 2011
10:51 pm
Barney Frank and Chris Dodd should have been aborted at birth.
AmVet
August 19th, 2011
10:52 pm
Thanks, getalife. you have always been a good bud. I wish somehow, someway we could get a chance to party together. It would be epic.
What do I have to do, Hillbilly? Kiss your mountain ___?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY76eJWKUDQ
getalife
August 19th, 2011
10:53 pm
Some lovely comments you have hear from curious george Linda.
Are you going to tell him your rules?
getalife
August 19th, 2011
10:56 pm
oops I broke a Linda rule.
hear should be here.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:56 pm
Am @ 10:52– Now you’re talking my friend!! Dig A Pony!!
HD–You’ll have to give Brother Am a pass tonight. He wrecked his car and is drowning his sorrows.
Linda
August 19th, 2011
10:59 pm
Hillbilly@10:34, I guess I’m also a hillbilly & just as proud of my roots. You are welcome here. I just thought you might want to use another name to protect your privacy & rights to free speech.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
10:59 pm
What do I have to do, Hillbilly? Kiss your mountain ___?
You don’t have to do anything. As to why I left over there, some things are better left unsaid.
Nite to all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7NNMKBPsw
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
10:59 pm
Am–In the words of Bono: “That which we can’t let go, we must let go”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWdG8NoFXY0
AmVet
August 19th, 2011
10:59 pm
HD can kiss my Kansas ___. (grin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wveGtAQk6Ko
Curious George went to Washington
August 19th, 2011
11:01 pm
Getalife self corrected… I’ll bet he was private schooled! Impressive, because if he was publicly educated his educators would be demanding more funds and pension increases to be able to correct his verbage malfunction…
AmVet
August 19th, 2011
11:01 pm
Thanks for the signoff, buddy. It means a lot to me. And of course, you’re right. As always…
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:02 pm
As to why I left over there, some things are better left unsaid.
HD–For what it’s worth, you’re a true man of faith in my book. Thanks for your great example for the rest of us.
Hillbilly D
August 19th, 2011
11:02 pm
Linda
No problem. I’m very guarded about my privacy. To the best of my knowledge, nobody here even knows exactly where I live, other than north GA. I like it that way.
Nite again.
yuzeyurbrane
August 19th, 2011
11:02 pm
Kyle, I don’t know how many ways and times I have to tell you: stay out of economics and stick to politics. You are simply out of your element with your transparently shallow solutions to complex problems.
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
11:04 pm
I’m surprise no one has mention Bill “Slick Willy”… he has become a Vegan you know, or maybe you don’t? Anyhow, Micky Ds does have salads don’t they? I feel your pain Mr President, I just can’t bring myself to totally forsake being something of an omnivore. At least a low fat, low sodium one.
Curious George went to Washington
August 19th, 2011
11:05 pm
yuzeyurbrane, please enlighten us with your economic brilliancy? Is it raising taxes on business and adding regulations to businesses?
Linda
August 19th, 2011
11:07 pm
getalife, Did you copy your name from a health food store?
Did you ever try to compete in a spelling bee?
Did you ever work as a security guard at a prison? What manners!
Were you ever accused of sexual harassment?
Just wondering.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:08 pm
Well, Am, I hope that HD read between the lines and understood what you wanted to say to him, you F-up.
Meanwhile, back to the music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h20FDGwzxmw
MarkV
August 19th, 2011
11:10 pm
Michael H. Smith @8:33 pm: As usual, you are not making any sense. Not surprising at all.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:11 pm
For the Blog Band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egCW_as-Gm8
All things must pass………
Mick
August 19th, 2011
11:14 pm
One last night cap, amvet, really sorry about your vehicle, sometimes we really can get attached to steel and glass-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4s7s5tSk8E
Curious George went to Washington
August 19th, 2011
11:15 pm
Linda, are ewe a sckool teecher? Don’t bee so hard on gitalife pleeze?
Curious George went to Washington
August 19th, 2011
11:16 pm
If you are a teacher, do you work part time in the library with those sexy glasses?
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:16 pm
Brother Am–What we share is the heartbreak of losing our wives. Sometimes I suspect that HD was divorced as well, though he would never admit that in a million years even if it were true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Smw33PKJA
All those years ago…….
Michael H
August 19th, 2011
11:17 pm
MarxV
11:10 pm
As usual, you don’t have the sense to match your bluster.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:18 pm
Deep in the darkest night
I send out a prayer to you
Now in the world of light
Where the spirit free of the lies
And all else that we despised.
Mick
August 19th, 2011
11:18 pm
bruno – thanks for the tip, a lot of people make sport of jersey but I wouldn’t have wanted to experience my childhood any where else…just sayin…long live the brotherhood..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSd3yys69AE
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGKPHFrHVVY&feature=related
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:20 pm
long live the brotherhood..
Hear, hear, Brother Mick.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:23 pm
Goodnight, HD. We’ll come by and harass you again one of these days. Once Brother, always a Brother.
MrLiberty
August 19th, 2011
11:23 pm
Read some legitimate economics texts for a change. You are clueless. Start with von Mises and Hayek.
AmVet
August 19th, 2011
11:27 pm
Bruno,One is one of a few songs that has always had the power to break me down and reduce to the very most basic emotions. And no, it has little to do with my state tonight.
And sometimes I wish you wouldn’t get to the heart of the matter like you tend to do, and in the process …damn…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_M_27ciAKI
AmVet
August 19th, 2011
11:33 pm
What a weird day. I lost my pearl colored beauty and here we are, in the middle of Kyle’s political bs, Trading music.
And reaching out to “lost” brethren…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17u9mxdvQEo
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
11:39 pm
Only one problem with free markets Mr Liberty, markets are never really free. Free trade is more joke than reality, as nations will always manipulate, hedge and cheat.
I prefer the founders idea of imposing very limited government regulations on the marketplace to that of relying on a purely laissez-faire system.
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:43 pm
And reaching out to “lost” brethren…
HD always was the reluctant one, though he did address me as Brother Bruno once, right before he abandoned the JB Blog. It meant a lot to me, I wish I had told him.
Michael H. Smith
August 19th, 2011
11:48 pm
Thousand pardons, forgot a link. To a degree or in degrees, I tend to agree with certain points made by all of these economists. Which makes me I suppose a mix of conservative and libertarian – that’s spelled with a very small economic “l”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhPKBbkQzHQ
Bruno
August 19th, 2011
11:49 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq7jLEnZw6s
How can I go forward when I don’t know which way I’m facing?
How can I go forward when I don’t know which way to turn?
How can I go forward into something I’m not sure of?
Oh no, oh no
How can I have feeling when I don’t know if it’s a feeling?
How can I feel something if I just don’t know how to feel?
How can I have feelings when my feelings have always been denied?
Oh no, oh no
You know life can be long
And you got to be so strong
And the world is so tough
Sometimes I feel I’ve had enough
How can I give love when I don’t know what it is I’m giving?
How can I give love when I just don’t know how to give?
How can I give love when love is something I ain’t never had?
Oh no, oh no
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
5:42 am
A real Kodak moment to remember of the mentally lost and totally confused socialist MarxV thinking he is talking to Jay when making a reply comment to Kyle Wingfield. Though not exactly a shocker, the dementia is hilarious.
~
MarkV
August 19th, 2011
6:49 pm
“Jay,”
Do you really believe that the companies will start hiring if some rules are postponed, when there is no demand for the products the companies make? The way to spur growth and reduce unemployment is to create demand, and you will not do it by allowing dirty air or dangerous drilling, or by reducing the minimum wage.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
7:02 am
Obama pushes for action on jobs
VINEYARD HAVEN, Massachusetts (AP) — President Barack Obama says members of Congress should put country before politics, set aside their differences and act together to put people back to work.
The president is vacationing on Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts, but he recorded his weekly Saturday radio and Internet address earlier in the week while in Illinois during a campaign-focused Midwestern bus tour.
——————————-
Where is your Idiot Messiah’s plan?
Obozo: Loser.
ragnar danneskjold
August 20th, 2011
7:39 am
I always agree with Frederic Bastiat – the notion of government tearing down houses is ludicrous. A smarter course would be absolute auction. Once the houses are sold, the market clears. A corollary to that smart course, however, would be to abolish every Federal program encouraging building more, e.g., FNMA, FHLMC, FHA, etc. Think we’ll have to get rid of Johnny Isakson and his ilk to accomplish that necessity, however.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
7:48 am
Agreed, ragnar. Tearing down homes is destroying wealth, which makes zero sense. Establishing a market for these assets rather than locking them up in any kind of slow, inefficient government program (oops, triple redundancy) is the best way. Of course, some eeeeevil investor might eventually turn a profit on them (after mold abatement and refurbishment costs) so the libtards will oppose that.
Old Time Republican
August 20th, 2011
7:52 am
Why does this ill-informed guy have a column? Kyle, please educate yourself on policy and truly learn the way the real world works. You are really showing your ignorance and depth of understanding.
Sheila
August 20th, 2011
7:58 am
Keynes is dead. His long run arrived and we all know that his brand of economics is the medical equivilent of crack.
More failed policy from the left.
dcb
August 20th, 2011
8:09 am
Refreshing to see someone with suggestions for helping the economy, rather than pointing fingers and suggesting more entitlements to just extend the pain.
Three ways to spur the economy....
August 20th, 2011
8:20 am
Looks like some of you have already figured this out…… Here you go anyway….
1. Obama needs to resign…
2. Obama needs to resign…
3. Obama needs to resign…
That should be enough to spur jobs growth and the economy…
Just Saying..
August 20th, 2011
8:23 am
Ah, again with the Signing Statements. Just refuse to enforce environmental or labor laws that the CONGRESS has passed, and everything will be hunky-dory. Constitution anyone?
Just Saying..
August 20th, 2011
8:31 am
Sheila- Ya know, Washington, Jefferson, Madison – all those guys are dead too. And their “brand” of government produced Obama. Brush aside their failed policies as well?
Hmmmmmmm
August 20th, 2011
8:38 am
Just Saying…
The American Idol mentality, and the total ignorance of the American people produced Obama… Please don’t blame this administration on Washington, Jefferson and Madison…
Just Sayin…
jconservative
August 20th, 2011
8:38 am
So we want to lower wages thus increasing the number of low income people not paying taxes from 51% to, say 55%?
Doing this would not require any new legislation to help employers pay for additional wages, the law already exists, the Low Income Tax Credit. More government welfare being handed out creating more deficit. Is this now called ‘investing in America”?
The “jobs” problem will not be fixed by legislation or changing residents of the White House. The problem is much deeper than that. In the decade of the 2000’s US multi-national corporations added 2.4 million jobs in foreign countries. That is a lot of jobs. The same corporations in the decade of the 2000’s cut 2.9 million jobs in the United States.
Today’s US economy is not the US economic engine that drove the world economy for decades.
Economic growth is approaching zero, not only in the US but in the entire Western World.
US productivity is as high as it has ever been. Corporate profits are nearing an all time high. Corporations are not creating new jobs because they do not need more employees. They need less
employees.
Look at the numbers I gave in the 3rd paragraph – created 2.4 million foreign jobs and cut 2.9 million US jobs. That is a net decrease of 500,000 jobs. Corporations just do not need as many employees as they once did.
Look at Net Jobs Created by Decade: 31% in the 1960’s, 27% in the 1970’s, 20% in the 1980’s and 1990’s and 0% in the 2000’s. Am I the only person to see a trend here?
So far the only people to address the problem have been the political “spin doctors”. And spin doctors have never solved any problem; they are the problem. (Sorry Ronnie.)
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
8:43 am
Kyle,
If your neighbors started burning coal to heat their homes and the pollution always happened to drift over to your house and you and your family started suffering from breathing in all the partially burned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide and sulfer compounds, etc., what would you do.
Ayn Rant
August 20th, 2011
8:49 am
Kyle, you misdiagnosis the job growth situation and prescribe dead-wrong reactions! Your “solution” is time-worn Republican party dogma that has nothing to do with the present situation.
Capital has not gone on strike; capital is excessive and is parked in non-equity, non-job-creating financial instruments. Capital will be coaxed into job-creating investments in the US whenever consumer demand grows to support increased domestic production and/or the products that Americans want and need are produced in the US instead of overseas.
Consumer demand can be increased by converting some of the excess capital into consumer spending. This is done by more federal spending of revenue derived by borrowing and/or increased taxation on the sources of capital (excessive income and profits). Increased taxation is preferred, as it does not drive up the national debt.
Unfortunately, consumer demand tends to creates jobs overseas, not just in the US. The $600 billion US yearly trade deficit is a tremendous economic opportunity if we can create a business-friendly, free-market environment so that the products that Americans want and need will be produced in the US rather than overseas.
The impediment to US business is not lack of capital, or consumer-protection and worker-safety regulations. The impediments are laws and regulations imposed by too many layers of government (federal, 50 states, and 12,000 local jurisdictions); an unreliable judiciary that cannot provide fair and timely settlement of business disputes; confused and overly-broad patent rights that guarantee continual litigation with no resolution; monopolistic practices by Big Business that leave only narrow niches of opportunity for small business and upstarts; excessive volatility of equity markets; a heavily-centralized banking system that serves itself rather than its customers; and the outrageous cost of employee health care insurance borne by the employer.
Kyle, you repeat the “drill, baby, drill” mantra as a solution to the energy problem. You know very well that the US does not have the reserves to appreciably affect the world petroleum market, and that our economically-accessible reserves are already being exploited. The oil companies have no intention of drilling in environmentally sensitive, marginally accessible areas unless they receive subsidies and liability limits; they only want to stake their claims for the future when the price of petroleum is high enough to justify the cost and the liability.
Kyle, you misrepresent the new Boeing plant situation: Boeing was enticed by the enormous subsidies offered by an impoverished state that can’t even afford to educate its children.
Kyle, your suggestion to lower the minimum wage is preposterous; no one can live on a minimum wage job without assistance from various federal and state welfare programs.
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
8:57 am
ragnar & llb you both should consider that some of these houses in all truth are on their last leg or they’re in such disrepair as to make them impracticable to restore. These are likely the optimal ones Kyle had in mind as I certainly did when speaking of destruction to re-construction. However, to take this further, future housing needs to move forward into the future, which will be far less costly to maintain, heat & cool and offer enhanced quality of livability. So there is a break point to consider in valuation when deciding upon keeping the old or tearing it down to replace it with the new. I’m sure people once said destroying a good horse & buggy to buy a darn new car just didn’t make any real sense. Face it, eventually nostalgia proves too costly, uncomfortable or inconvenient to merit real worth. But don’t fear llb, the evil investors can still turn a buck as the land which will always retain real worth regardless.
On government in the housing market we agree completely ragnar. No HUD, FHA, Fannie or Freddie, etc. We likely see eye to eye on rolling socialism back all the way before Woodrow Wilson created the FED – Rah, rah Ron Paul!
Constitutional speaking, Ron Paul, is the best man&candidate running for the office of President.
Just Saying..
August 20th, 2011
9:09 am
Hmmmmmm…etc @ 8:38am
The “total ignorance of the American people…”
You wouldn’t by any chance be in that ….group…of…(wait for it) American people? Na, didn’t think so. Another in the Hamilton group that wouldn’t trust Democracy to the masses. Hmmmmm….
Hmmmmmmm
August 20th, 2011
9:11 am
Yes, Ron Paul is the best candidate…. However, without help he will get sucked down the draino that is Washington D.C……
Hmmmmmmm
August 20th, 2011
9:14 am
No I’m not in that group, but I have a very good idea that you may be leading that group…. and it is TOTAL IGNORANCE! Make NO mistake…
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
9:17 am
What goes unrecognized in all this is that it is not the job of The President of The United States to create jobs. Job creation in this economy, which can be adversley affected by Banks in France, is not something that any one person can do, even The President. The only real chance we have is for the President, The Congress, the Governors and Business to all work together and try to solve this problem. Since we know this will never happen, some of us just blame it all on Obama. You may be certain that if the next President is a Republican, he or she won’t do any better than Obama at job creation.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
9:21 am
Kyle,
Regarding your lowering of wages, do you have some relevent documentation to support your reasoning. Based on my family’s personal experiences, your statements simply do not coincide with existing conditions. In fact, a teenage family member was recently given a raise. And do you think it possible that the reduced number of teenaged employees during the past few years just might possibly be in some remote way linked to the fact that many older persons in need of a job just may have taken those jobs and left fewer jobs for the teenagers and just maybe many of those teenagers might possibly have even decided to stay in school or continue a higher education and then only work part-time as needed to help cover outrageous expenses that partially resulted from things like cut backs by states to education and others trying to increase profits from their education-related investments, just for openers.
Hmmmmmmm
August 20th, 2011
9:23 am
carlosgvv,
It starts at the TOP… To say that the President is not responsible is absurd… Your right in saying that it will require a group effort, but make NO mistake without a Leader in place we are all doomed… and this President couldn’t lead a group of Boy Scouts through the woods…
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
9:29 am
The “jobs” problem will not be fixed by legislation or changing residents of the White House. The problem is much deeper than that. In the decade of the 2000’s US multi-national corporations added 2.4 million jobs in foreign countries. That is a lot of jobs. The same corporations in the decade of the 2000’s cut 2.9 million jobs in the United States.
I disagree with your first sentence and add that NO solutions have come from obumer or the socialist democrats of his ilk to correct this “DEEPER PROBLEM”.
Reducing corporate tax rates to levels that are competitive to those of other countries and overhauling our regulations is part of the answer. A very aggressive pursuit of a mirrored trade policy and renegotiated trade agreements in some cases is another part answer. Pressing nations to allow their currencies to move freely on the open world market is another one – no pegging to our dollar as China has done to artificially lower the cost of goods produced by China.
In addition reforms on fed spending and the so-called entitlements or safety net is desperately needed. The minimum wage has always been a cruel joke. Creating a training wage would probably work better than messing with a minimum wage. It won’t do much of anything for under-employment but it probably would for the unemployed. As the old adage goes, it is always easier to get a job if you already have one. Programs like we have here, in Georgia Works, makes this concept a real viable solution.
GT
August 20th, 2011
9:40 am
Diana Furchtgott-Roth on FOX that says it all. The Republicans want to go back to the same formula that caused this crisis in the first place. If you are going to have loose federal regulations on the economy you cannot bail out your “too big to fail banks”. The fear in failure needs to be shared by the corporate world, not just the grassroots, while these corporate types stand by as unbiased observers. They don’t pay taxes; they don’t have the fire at the feet or the wolf at their door to motivate them, and this great life is not by their productivity but by government entitlement.
By bailing out the too big to failed banks you doomed community banking. The inefficient large banks would have been taken over by an efficient middle banking tier that would have local concerns instead of a national focus. Backyard banking and investing is what fed this economy from birth, blind investing and banking from coast to coast has destroyed it. Our economic system has to have failure, take that out of the equation and no model works. There has to be real competition. More money need to be poured in small businesses where the owner depends on the business to survive and does not have the luxury of not investing his capital. Employees of large companies are welfare precipitants just like the poor. Go to a golf course in the middle of the week and take ids on who is playing, you will see a large number of corporate types. When you are running a business as a hobby and not a life line it creates the situation we have today. The entitlements of corporate and rich and the stalemate of capital investments because these people do not have to do anything is a real problem not heard about on FOX.
How is that the labor pool working out in South Georgia? I haven’t heard much about it. I see the jails have 900 illegal immigrate in them ready to be shipped to wherever on our dime. This is a large problem in the federal judge wanting to lock Fulton County officials up. Here are thousands of minimum wage jobs in the field going wanting. The prices in stores of agriculture is going up faster than gas prices, the supply is not keeping up with the demand. Here is another inefficient area of the economy that could supply jobs, minimum wages. Obviously we need more stores competing against each other to drive food prices down, small businesses. There is food lying in the fields in South Georgia. A guy came to my high school reunion this summer with a truck load of watermelons the farmer in Cordele just gave him if he wanted to pick them. Rotting in the field.
Gas prices will drop 25% by elections, already dropping. We need to take the speculators out of the business of holding our life lines as a commodity. That ideal money sitting on the sideline can’t help America but they don’t mind profiting on our backs by driving up the price of gas. If we had not bailed out banks their would not be this sideline money and prices of gas would not be so high. Don’t hear that on FOX either.
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
9:42 am
What goes unrecognized in all this is that it is not the job of The President of The United States to create jobs.
By who carlos?
Lets get the record straight shall we? It is not the job of government or anyone in government to create the first damn job! – Got that carlos?
So what is the role of government or the President or the Congress concerning jobs?
The role of government and all those within it that serve us is “to create – and/or maintain – an economic business climate conducive to job creation”
You darn right I blame obumer, he has done everything to destroy the economic business climate that is necessarily conducive to creating private sector jobs in this country from day one he took office until now.
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
9:48 am
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, Ditto!
josef
August 20th, 2011
10:05 am
Kyle and Company…
Thank you again for the opportunity to let some of us touch base with Hillbilly and to let him know how much he will be missed.
GT
August 20th, 2011
10:05 am
Michael H. Smith my bet is you just hate black people. You cloister you observations to match a conclusion you have already arrived to and probably concluded before the event even happened. I will admit not all Democrats are innocent but Obama is a moderate you keep trying to dress up as a liberal. I hear this language from a lot of Tea Party members, thinly disguised bigotry. The hate in the eyes of that Midwest Tea Party leader last week challenging the president could have been cut with a knife it was so obvious.
What I would be willing to do is not reelect Obama if we could trade it by not reelecting this minority of Klansmen we call Tea Party. I truly believe Obama, a good man, has drawn out the worst in this country and given them a platform. If getting rid of this tribe of illiterates that have damaged this country immeasurably could be done by not electing Obama the end sum would be a better America that tends to it business and not it’s mental illnesses, so be it.
Streetracer
August 20th, 2011
10:18 am
GT @ 10:05 – I’m personally getting real effing pi$$ed at people who claim that anyone who believes in self reliance, self determination, taking care of yourself, your family rather than relying on Government is somehow or other a Racist.
MarkV
August 20th, 2011
10:18 am
Michael H. Smith @5:42 am: Considering all the idiocies you have spewed out in these posts, my error pales in comparison.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
10:19 am
Hmmmmmmmm – “this President couldn’t lead a group of Boy Scouts through the woods”
And neither could Perry, Bachmann, Palin or any other of the current Republican losers.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
10:24 am
Michael H. Smith
“it is not the job of Government or anyone in government to create jobs”
I believe that is essentially what I said. A little reading comprenhison for you seems to be in order.
“he has done everything to destroy the economic business climate”
O really? Why don’t you tell us all just exactly what you think he has done to do this.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
10:26 am
“Obama, a good man”
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A good man who follows an America-hating racist pastor for twenty years, seeks the support of domestic terrorists ho bombed their fellow Americans, and counts among his “intellectual” kindred spirits someone who works for Islamist terrorist groups.
Obozo is not a good man. He’s a hater, a destroyer, and something less than a real American. Much less.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
10:32 am
Obozo is not a good man. He’s a hater, a destroyer, and something less than a real American. Much less.
Yeh. Sure. Uh huh. Right. Uh huh. Sure . Whatever. Looking for attention, are ya. That’s what I thought. Uh huh. Say something else smart. Like, Squirrel!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
10:37 am
Thanks for the attention, PTAG!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
10:39 am
Obozo is vivid proof of the difference between being a citizen and being an American.
killerj
August 20th, 2011
11:03 am
To late to worry about job,s now you had your chance and you chose health care that,s bankrupting the system,you chose world global economy over America first…..time to pay the piper.Go Tea Party.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
11:04 am
You’re welcome. By the way, President Obama is a citizen of these United States of America.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
11:14 am
Never said he wasn’t.
scott
August 20th, 2011
11:18 am
Obama could utter only two words and we would see an immediate growth in jobs:
I QUIT!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
11:22 am
scott, both he and Biden would have to resign at the same time for that to work, leaving the Presidency to the Speaker of the House.
Uncle Jed
August 20th, 2011
11:28 am
Mr. Deluxe,
Been wondering where you were and real happy to know you are well and alive over here. The other place is a tough row to hoe sometimes and mighty hard to stomach. I’ll be back to visit. Jed
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
11:30 am
If everyone comes over here to visit Hillbilly, will he move back to Jay’s blog.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
11:32 am
“Corporate balance sheets are flush with cash”
This mean that Corporations could start hiring now and this would make a substantial dent in unemployment. They are not doing this for two reasons. First, they are simply piling more and more work on their existing exployees, knowing they won’t dare quit. Many of these employees will work unpaid overtime since they have been told to “get the work done or we will replace you with someone who will”. Secondly, they are sending as much work as possible overseas to save on labor costs. This shows their complete lack of patriotism and concern for the American worker. And yet, in spite of all this, so many of you here blame everything on Obama. Big Business and the Republicans have found you to be easily fooled by their propaganda. I wonder if you will ever realize that, to them, you are nothing more than simple tools.
jconservative
August 20th, 2011
11:32 am
Jcon said – “The “jobs” problem will not be fixed by legislation or changing residents of the White House. The problem is much deeper than that. In the decade of the 2000’s US multi-national corporations added 2.4 million jobs in foreign countries. ….The same corporations in the decade of the 2000’s cut 2.9 million jobs in the United States.”
Michael said – “I disagree with your first sentence and add that NO solutions have come from obumer or the socialist democrats of his ilk to correct this “DEEPER PROBLEM”.”
I would agree that no solutions have come from this administration. I would add that no solutions have come from the last 5 administrations when the “deeper problem” first raised its head. US jobs have been disappearing since the late 1970’s. The numbers are what the numbers are. The trend has been there for over 30 years. All saw the trend, most ignored the trend.
Please remember that in 1992 Pat Buchanan ran against a sitting Republican president just on the one issue, the disappearing of American jobs.
Job training is wonderful. BofA just announced they are getting rid of 10,000 employees. They are not needed. They are not wanted. So what are we going to train those 10,000 people to do? Train them to build rapid rail systems? Train them to convert the 18 wheeler fleet to natural gas? Train them to build and maintain nuclear power plants? Train them to build windmill farms?
And who is going to pay for the training? Who is going to underwrite the funding for rapid rail, natural gas fleets, nuclear power plants and windmill farms?
No matter who we put in the White House, no matter who we put in charge of Congress, the facts of the global economy and its requirements will not change. The facts of technology and its impact on production & employment will not change.
If you hate Obama, that’s OK. It’s allowed. No reason is needed.
I do not like Obama. I detested George W Bush.
The Obama dislike is that he is an observer, not a doer.
George W was a doer, but look at what he did; he asked for and signed into law the first major entitlement in 38 years – the prescription drug plan for seniors. A plan that in 6 years has already created an unfunded liability of $20 trillion. And it has no source of funds, all funds are out of taxpayer pockets. Classic socialism straight out of the textbook on “How to Create a Socialist Society”
Yet people who say they hate socialism love George W,
In the last 31 years Republicans have been in the White House 20 of the 31 years, yet the job slide continued.
In the last 31 years Democrats were in charge of the House 18 of the 31 years, yet the job slide continued.
In the last 31 years Republicans have been in charge of the Senate 16 of the 31 years, yet the job slide continued.
Who is in charge does not seem to matter does it?
Steve - B.
August 20th, 2011
11:49 am
How can additional deposits be a problem with banks? Every article in the AJC about Georgia bank closing has stated the problem with the closed banks were they did not have enough deposits compared to their bad debt.. How can additional cash make you have a worse “leveraged” position. The linked article makes no sense at all and defies any bridge to common sense.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
11:49 am
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
11:32 am
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You’re excuse-making. Our President Bush kept unemployment much lower than the Idiot Messiah, and it didn’t cost us $800 billion in stimulus and $1.5 trillion annual deficits.
Where’s the “change”? Why can’t the smartest person in the world, a Nobel prize winner, get people back to work? He inherited a recovery and blew it.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
11:51 am
Government continues to throw sand in the gears of the economy. High corporate taxes are the primary reason businesses move operations offshore. The secondary reason in government regulation and unfunded mandates which inexorably move in one direction–more. Thank you, Democrats.
Steve - B.
August 20th, 2011
11:54 am
‘jconservative’ – That was a really nice post, very balanced.
Our country has been losing jobs for years through outsourcing. That is why housing is such an important factor to employment, building a house can’t be outsourced. Whoever gets elected in 2012 will not change the fact we have a surplus of millions of homes. That will be why the economy drags along for several more years.
Steve - B.
August 20th, 2011
11:56 am
We also lost jobs through productivity gains.
GT
August 20th, 2011
12:09 pm
jconservative excellent post.
Steve B what I like about most housing is most of it is small business. The American dream will not be found in large corporate structure, it is found in Piece of Cake or Linda’s Produce, small businesses where the owner is not some trained hired hand management which one day is head of Home Depot and the next Crysler. One size does not fit all and the smaller the size the more hope it will fit at all.
Red State Redemption
August 20th, 2011
12:13 pm
Hey Jneocon: here are some facts for you about Republicans vs. Democrats and “who is in charge.” This is just Congress, not the Presidency. And just for the record, I detest Obama and am convinced he wants to categorically destroy the economic foundation of America (free enterprise, capitalism, business development, entrepreneurship, etc.) and rebuild it in a quasi-Marxist model where everyone has the “same amount of stuff.” The ultimate liberal twinkle-toed fairytale pixie dust Utopia. And for the record, I’m glad he goes on vacation with America in peril. The longer he’s away from Washington, the better.
Anyway, since it’s Congress that passes the budgets, sets the deficits (positive or negative), and provides legislation affecting jobs and the economy, let’s look at the record of Congress over the last 30 years and who controlled what:
JOBS
Jobs created when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = 8,100,000 net new jobs.
Jobs created when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = 21,773,000 net new jobs.
Jobs created when Congress was split (8 years) = 9,888,000 net new jobs.
DEFICITS
Total Deficits when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $5.022 Trillion.
Total Deficits when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $1.219 Trillion.
Total Deficits when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.063 Trillion.
NATIONAL DEBT
Total New Debt when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $7.859 Trillion.
Total New Debt when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $3.238 Trillion.
Total New Debt when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.781 Trillion.
Draw your own conclusions, but these are undisputed facts from government sources.
Sources – Democrats controlled Congress from 1987 – 1994, and from 2007 – 2010. Republicans controlled Congress from 1995 – 2000, and from 2003 – 2006. There was a split Congress from 1980 – 1986 and for 2001 & 2002.
bls.gov
whitehouse.gov
treasurydirect.gov
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
12:33 pm
President Obama says he wants to get the U.S. economy growing, so here’s a tip that may help: In order for Congress to ratify free-trade agreements, the White House must first send the signed deals to the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.
On his three-state tour in the Midwest this week, Mr. Obama repeatedly told audiences that the Korea, Colombia and Panama free-trade deals would all be law by now if not for an obstructionist Congress. Passing the deals is something Congress “could do right now,” he said.
Except that’s not true. Congress can’t pass the agreements “right now” because it doesn’t have them. They are still sitting on the President’s desk. Seriously.
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Obozo: Lying, do-nothing sack of excrement.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903639404576516551126644750.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
12:34 pm
Kyle,
How can you expect Georgia banks to loan out money if the elected Georgia Republicans continue to set such bad examples by refusing to pay back their own 2.2 million dollar bank debt.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
12:35 pm
Excellent work, Red State.
MarkV
August 20th, 2011
12:37 pm
The US GDP grew at a rate of 3% in 2010, the year after the stimulus law was enacted. Everybody is bellyaching about the 0.4% growth rate in Q1 of 2011 (and it is low), but GDP growth rate was 0.5% in Q1 of 2007. Only two years between 2003 and 2008 the GDP growth rate was higher than 3.0%, in 2004 (3.5%) and 2005 (3.1%).
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
12:44 pm
Barry
Bush and Cheney got us into two usless and expensive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They financed them with the American credit card. Because of this and other blunders, Obama inherited a mess that even Jesus Christ would have a hard time fixing. And yet, all you can do is constantly call him and “idiot messiah”. This tells me that, more than anything else, you want our next President to have a lighter shade of pale.
Linda
August 20th, 2011
12:52 pm
carlosgvv@10:19 Perry is an Eagle Scout, as is his son.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
1:08 pm
MarkV, thanks for letting us know Obozo’s failed policies have caused a double-dip recession.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
1:08 pm
Linda
I was a Star Scout. Does that mean I should run for Governor?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
1:11 pm
“more than anything else, you want our next President to have a lighter shade of pale.”
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What I want in our next President is for him/her to not have a deathwish for the American economy. That, of course, rules out Obozo.
Linda
August 20th, 2011
1:18 pm
carlosgvv@1:08, It means that you might, just might be able to lead yourself out of the woods.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
1:45 pm
Linda
Which, unfortunately, is something you don’t seem able to do.
Streetracer
August 20th, 2011
1:47 pm
Carlosvv @ 12:44 – There you go with that “RACIST” stuff again. Getting rEal old. I personally couldn’ care less what color the next Prez’s skin is. What I want is someone who will start moving Government back toward fiscal responsibility. I would be happy if we got back to a point that my federal income tax payment (at present income and rates) was more than a Section 8 housing subsidy for somebody that never worked.
Linda
August 20th, 2011
2:01 pm
carlosgvv@1:45, I’m allergic to bugs. I have enough sense to stay out of the woods. Why don’t you add something substantive to the blog? Have you seen any aliens from outer space lately?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
2:02 pm
PHOENIX (AP) – Facebook said Friday it mistakenly removed a post in which Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer criticized a controversial policy decision by President Barack Obama’s administration to limit deportations of illegal immigrants.
Facebook spokesman Andrew Noyes responded to a query by The Associated Press by saying in a brief email that Brewer’s post was removed in error and that Facebook was sorry.
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Just another example of cronyism on behalf of fascist Dear Leader, your Idiot Messiah Obozo.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
2:10 pm
Ahhh! The smell of GOP hatred. The best part of waking up is… knowing that the Republicans are suffering so much at the hands of Obama. It does a body good. Thanks for cheering me up.
Sane Person
August 20th, 2011
2:46 pm
Lower the minimum wage????? You have got to be kidding. Yes, paying people less than $7 per hour will solve our problems. How utterly moronic.
sircharles19
August 20th, 2011
3:04 pm
Opinions good and bad one are accepted! President Clinton should have never made NATA (wrong spelling) to become law. Making it easy for businesses to move overseas and hire cheap labor. America, to day and has been suffering from this law. When you call for any services, you are calling overseas and don’t know it. Speaking to those clerks on the other end is very troublesome. Businesses don’t hire because theya re afraid of losing a lot money. Now, when they lay off people, they are mere firing them. So, america has been in deep, deep mess since Clinton and both of the Bushes have striped America job markets and its way of life int hell. I knew Bush did not care when I saw him fly-over Louisiana-during Katria. that said a lot about the person who has been reelected for 8 years. Now, all of you do the math and asked yourself, are you still employed?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
3:40 pm
Sane Person: How utterly moronic.
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What is your Idiot Messiah’s plan, then? Oops, forgot, we have to wait until September when he and his wife take separate jets back from their vacation on Martha’s Vineyard.
Idiot Messiah: Do-nothing loser.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
4:07 pm
Streetracer
That is the first time I have ever mentioned race. The race card has been played so many times by so many people that we forget that, sometimes, race really is an issue. The pure venom and hatred shown by so many here against Obama tells me that it isn’t just his policies that they don’t like. I simply don’t believe that a white President would receive these kinds of verbal abuse and utter disrespect. Linda, is this enough substance for you?
Linda
August 20th, 2011
4:10 pm
sircharles@3:04, You are referring to NAFTA. American businesses pay US taxes on profits made overseas when they bring those profits home. You knew that, didn’t you? Some US companies pay more in US taxes than the income they make in the US. You knew that, didn’t you?
The blame game has escalated from “blame Bush” to “blame Clinton.”
Personally, I think it’s great that McDonald’s makes money overseas & pays more US taxes. I don’t think it would be practical for them to cook the hamburgers in the US. Do you? Preventing US companies from venturing overseas is akin to slavery. I’m for freedom.
GT
August 20th, 2011
4:22 pm
I think the idea of NAFTA was to eventually bring up the standard of living in Mexico so people would stay there instead of coming to the US. Not sure how well it worked. It might have worked better if we just legalize drugs. What do you think the future would look like? Do you think it would look so much different than today if that happened? When you bring in taxes and stop crime, on something that causes far too much violence and money the way we handle it now, why are we so stubborn? Gambling was outlawed, I am sure people died over that when it was illegal, at the very lease put in prison. Now you can gamble in just about any place in America. No earthquake just the reality that it was going to happen, you can’t stop it, why not make money off of it and save trillions.
When the world was new America made money off the backs of its cheap labor. They told themselves it was their genius, but nope it was their slaves and ignorant cheap labor. Big business started screwing this up. Car manufacturing drew a mass labor force under one roof as oppose to a plantation with many small independent operations. Big business in essence destroyed America’s economic edge, immoral as it was. Unions formed to protect labor, producers could no longer steal labor, had to pay for it. Big businesses response to increased labor cost, leave the country and find a place that doesn’t value human life as much as the US. Many of our population lived a pretty good life on the backs of this labor, higher on the hog than they really deserved and certainly want to admit. This economic reality may do more to stem the flow of illegal immigration than any NAFTA type action for keeping the world out of our country. They really don’t like us as much as we think, it was always the money. As for American’s they will find both in the investment world and the business world they will be far more rewarded doing the work themselves with only themselves to blame. Their will be smaller business where the cheap labor with be their own labor which actually is moral and free. Investors will lose their own money as well as the Wall Street guy and may actually understand how they lost it and get better at investing. They certainly will not be paying a chairman of a corporation a fortune just because he went to Yale or Harvard and knew someone, while the company loses billions
brad
August 20th, 2011
4:27 pm
Tiny Barry: What’s up dude, you seem more pissed off than usual, if that’s possible. Tough week?
Linda
August 20th, 2011
4:32 pm
carlosgvv@4:07, Boehner is darker than Obama. Would you vote for him if he was running for president?
Do you think that the white people who voted for Obama, who would have never been elected without the white vote, didn’t notice that he was a little black? Do you think they turned against him when they noticed his skin color?
Do you think that the black people who did not vote for Obama also did not notice that he was a little black, meaning they are also racist?
Do you think that maybe, just maybe there are actually both white & black voters in America today who don’t give a tinker’s whit what color Obama is or what color his underwear is, who merely disagree with his policies?
Do you think that Obama is getting any more “verbal abuse & utter disrespect” than Bush?
Carlos, that’s substance.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
4:36 pm
carlosgvv: I simply don’t believe that a white President would receive these kinds of verbal abuse and utter disrespect.
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Your memory extends all the way back to, what, mid-2009?
Anybody put out any movies fantasizing about Obozo’s assassination, as happened during our President Bush’s time in office? Didn’t think so.
Get real.
GT
August 20th, 2011
4:46 pm
Linda I will bet you the Tea Party’s problem is race as much as all the other stuff they try to talk about. I don’t think the majority of America is like the Tea Party. I remember growing up and it was state’s rights nothing about slavery. When you see people who absolutely refuse to compromise in the south ,where I grew up, you will usually find a redneck very close by. As we have seen it only takes a few rednecks to wreak a party.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
4:49 pm
“I will bet you the Tea Party’s problem is race”
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Sometimes when people make statements like that they are able to back them up in some way. This is not one of those times.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
4:50 pm
Linda – 2:01
I am not posting about space aliens today because:
1. I try to post along the lines of what Kyle is talking about and not go off on a tangent.
2. I doubt many here know anything about exobiology. In your case, I seriously doubt you even know what it is.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
4:55 pm
Linda – 4:32
“Boehner is darker than Obama. Would you vote for him”?
That is probably the most mindless thing you have ever posted.
“White people voted for Obama”
Not all of them did. And yes, Linda, there really are white racists in America.
“Obama getting more abuse than Bush”
It’s the venom and bitterness and pure hatred being directed against him that makes me suspect racism.
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
5:05 pm
GT
August 20th, 2011
10:05 am
I only wish you weren’t such a chicken sh*t coward and used your real name when you make your wager betting on what I hate.
I’d bet between the two of us you are,,, as you would say the RACIST.
MarxV –
August 20th, 2011
10:18 am
Nothing I could ever do could top your stupidity. Only Bruce Wilcox tops you on being the all time stupid idiot of these blogs, you socialist fool.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
5:15 pm
It should be no surprise that venom and bitterness and pure hatred are directed against Obozo, although probably not as much as our President Bush received. Obozo is doing a horrible, disastrous job, and millions have become unemployed and/or lost savings during his failed regime. Poverty and food stamp use are at unprecedented highs.
You would expect this loser to be greeted with showers of rose petals?
Why Bother?
August 20th, 2011
5:19 pm
Oil Drilling – 300 jobs per platform and we are use to $3.75 per gallon now – why bother?
Lower Wages – Interns work for free – why bother?
Tear down houses – still on Bank of America’s balance sheet – why bother?
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
5:20 pm
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
4:55 pm
So, anything said against obumer just has to be RACIST?
I love this kind of stupid thinking. It truly reflects the mindset of a bigot.
Get this carlos, GT a.k.a. Brucie Wilcox the SoB of these blogs and to jerko MarxV: Everyone I know including me hates obumer’s socialist markxist fascist style of governing that has proven to be a complete failure. Now if you idiots can turn that into RACISM it tells me one thing conclusively: You people have ran out of any valid arguments to persuade even yourselves for supporting this miserable failed inept leader.
Linda
August 20th, 2011
5:27 pm
GT@4:46, Get your head out of the race bucket. Racism is over. It’s been over for years. The only racists left in America today are a few old black men trying to keep the anger going among black people, leaders whose goal is to keep minorities dependent on them & govt. entitlements. That’s the strategy of the Democrats. When you realize it, you will finally be free, at last.
The main goal of the Tea Party is fiscal responsibility & no, there will be no compromise until we cut the fed. govt. to a size & to a spending level that is affordable. The Tea Party will be no more compromising than the credit rating agencies, who are all new members of the Tea Party.
Would be fair for the person you call a redneck to turn around & call you the N word? Is one word more insulting than the other?
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
5:45 pm
Not for these people Linda, they need the race “social-crutch” to functionally remain alive. Without race to prop-up their world as they mentally know it in their weak minds it would collapse around them
GT@4:46, Get your head out of the race bucket. Racism is over
Linda
August 20th, 2011
5:47 pm
carlosgvv@4:50, Space aliens are certainly on Kyle’s topic, since he mentioned the EPA, which, I’m sure you know, is regulating without legislation, again, another one of Obama’s initiatives to bypass Congress. I’m sure you believe in man-made global warming because the Democrats said it was true. I’m sure you believe your exhaled breath, carbon dioxide, is causing the ice to melt in Santa Claus country, & that it is a pollutant. I’m sure you believe that NASA’s contributions to the corrupt UN IPCC are all above board, because, after all, they are a govt. agency, which can do no wrong. If you have been following exobiology, the search for ET, have you heard the latest from NASA?
MarkV
August 20th, 2011
5:47 pm
GT @4:46 pm: I do not think it is possible to debate rationally with people who believe that “Racism is over. It’s been over for years, “ or “Nobody starves in this country.”
MarkV
August 20th, 2011
5:52 pm
It may not be a coincidence that the same people who think that racism is over and people are not starving also do not hesitate to display their ignorance about the role of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
6:00 pm
Point in case, Linda: The incapable continue to intellectually hobble along.
Linda
August 20th, 2011
6:01 pm
Greetings from Mars!
The globe is warming! A NASA Planetary Scientist & Penn State has produced a joint study (with taxpayer money) entitled “Would Contact with Extraterrestrials Benefit or Harm Humanity? A Scenario Analysis.”
This team of American researchers think extraterrestrial environmentally-conscious aliens could become so appalled by our planet-polluting ways that they “could attack & kill us, enslave us, or potentially eat us…”
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/200769/20110819/alien-attack-nasa-global-warming.htm
We now have to worry about the planet AND the whole universe. Wonder if they exhale carbon dioxide on other planets. Wonder if they will be red or green. What if they land in Washington, DC & ask to be taken to our leader. Will they be told that we don’t have one & to come back in 2013? If they are taken to Obama, will he ask them if they are millionaires & billionaires? Will he give them health care insurance, unemployment checks for 2 years, food stamps & welfare? Or, will he take away their corporate UFO loophole tax breaks? Will he give them amnesty? I hope they aren’t fat & look like cats.
I have to go. I think I hear something on my roof.
brad
August 20th, 2011
6:02 pm
Michael Smith, Linda, and Lil’ Barry: the voices of the New Right. Paranoid, angry, and truly pathetic.
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
6:06 pm
brad
August 20th, 2011
6:02 pm
More like the voices that your little paranoid, angry group doesn’t want heard.
brad
August 20th, 2011
6:08 pm
Actually, Michael, it’s entertaining.
LOOK HERE FOLKS !!
August 20th, 2011
6:14 pm
The EPA should back off on the new clean air rules for the reasons you indicated Kyle, but here are a few more:
Most of the numbers used to sell us on the new rules are fictional. They quote joint studies between FERC (the entity responsible for maintaining the reliability of the nation’s electrical grid) that supposedly show reliablity will not be threatened by the closure of over 22 gigawatts of generation. Only the studies didn’t happen. The director of FERC recently stated that no such report was conducted or sent to the EPA.
A draft of the new rules was released in March 2011 which included an estimate of the cost of implementation, a few months later a revision was released cutting the estimate by HALF!! Now it is obvious that if a sincere effort was made with the first estimate that you can’t reasonably cut that estimate by 50%. They are pulling statistics such as this, millions of “green jobs”, millions of people not dying of pulmonary diseases and the average electric bill only going up by $39.00 a month as a result of the new EPA rules ….out of thin air in an effort to promote their agenda.
The public should demand that the EPA withdraw the new clean air rules until a detailed review can determine what is truth and what is fallacy. As it stands now the EPA is not accountable to anyone and we can’t rely on the courts to do what is right!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
6:21 pm
Tell us what a great job Obama’s doing, brad.
Linda
August 20th, 2011
6:38 pm
brad@6:02, If you are referring to my post @ 6:01, I’m not making this stuff up.
I’m not a member of the party who is paranoid about space aliens landing on my roof.
I’m only angry that our country’s wealth is GONE, that money has been spent wrecklessly on junk, with money we did not have, money borrowed from countries that do not respect us, money that we currently have no means of paying back, creating debt left on the back of generations to come. Am I wrong to be angry, to care about future generations?
I’m pathetic for believing our country should be fiscally sound?
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
6:58 pm
Someone (namely barack hussein obumer) spends trillions of dollars to lose millions of jobs: Now why would anybody cast blame & disparagement on a person of sane mind for expressing a single word against such failed, stupid, incompetent, mismanagement of economic affairs?
Now socialist marxist obumer idiots, you morons were saying something about pathetic?!
!
reusha2000
August 20th, 2011
7:03 pm
Rick Perry accused of hypocrisy as he comes under fire for investment in America’s largest pornography distributor
By John Stevens
Last updated at 10:14 PM on 20th August 2011
Leading Republican contender and prominent Christian candidate Rick Perry has been accused of hypocrisy after it was revealed that he invested thousands of dollars in the country’s largest pornography distributor….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2028353/Rick-Perry-comes-investment-Americas-largest-pornography-distributor.html
Linda
August 20th, 2011
7:05 pm
LOOK HERE FOLKS !! @6:14, Bless your heart! You have discovered a grain in the sand of what Obama’s EPA is doing to our country. Furthermore, the EPA in only a grain in the sand of the Obama Adm.’s various agencies that are trying to destroy our country. Furthermore, the various US agencies are only a grain in the sand of what the UN IPCC’s & other international bodies are planning to destroy our country for a new world order.
Obama is the president of the US in name only. George Soros is our leader, a man who brought down the British sterling & several countries & whose goal is to bring down our (the world-wide) currency & our country. Do your own research on him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjckJWqb0A
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
7:14 pm
Just wondering something Linda, maybe you can fill me in on the facts. If the congressional black caucus had doubts about prez obuma’s leadership and some members expressed those doubts publically, possibly some seemed… well just a little miffed… I mean, with 16% black unemployment and among black youth 40% unemployment has been rumored: Would these folks be RACIST or traitors, terrorists, hostage takers or at least somewhat bad intellectually deprived people for showing their malcontent toward “dear ruler” mm,mm,mm?
Linda
August 20th, 2011
7:16 pm
reusha2000@7:03, I’ll make a deal with you. If I promise not to cite Rush Limbaugh & other very conservative sites, would you promise not to cite the dailymail & other very liberal sites? Can we move away from propaganda, what I perceive on your part & what you perceive on my part? Would that be fair?
Linda
August 20th, 2011
7:35 pm
Michael@7:14, I saw the town hall meeting between Maxine Waters & her constituents. I’ve heard other comments from the black leaders. I don’t believe for a moment that the Black Caucus nor black leaders are against Obama’s policies.
The black leaders do not have the best interests of minorities or poor people at heart. They are using their constituents for votes. Furthermore, they do not have the best interests of the country at heart. They are lying about entitlements, using class warfare & overwhelming the system, as recommended by Alinsky.
Rafe Hollister
August 20th, 2011
7:37 pm
“Scientest” warning us about space aliens, can you imagine? Dems who would laugh uncontrollably at Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman for something similiar, have nothing but respect for these scientific “geniuses”. These are the morons blaming the US for global warming, climate change, rising tides, or environmental disaster, or whatever the term in use this week. They laugh at Rick Perry because he doesn’t believe that mankind is causing climate change, but they do not laugh at these alien greeters.
Warren Buffet should go ahead and send in his check and the “progressives” should voluntarily turn off their A/C and start bicycling. If you believe things so strongly, you should put your words into deeds or shut up.
Rafe Hollister
August 20th, 2011
7:54 pm
Looks like everyone is gone. I sure hope the Mother Wheel has not descended and wrecked its havoc on all my blogger friends.
Steve - B.
August 20th, 2011
8:00 pm
reusha2000@7:03
Why do people post things that have nothing to do with the article we are commenting on?
Norcross
August 20th, 2011
8:06 pm
No wonder ajc’s subscription base is tanking. Wingfield’s buffoonish tripe isn’t fit for print.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
8:09 pm
Still waiting for someone to explain the “Obama Miracle” to me.
@@
August 20th, 2011
8:11 pm
The feds own about 248,000 foreclosed homes. They should follow the example of some commercial banks and raze a portion of them.
But Obama is planning on being landlord over those 248,000. Wouldn’t wanna disappoint him now, would we? He can follow in Rezko’s footsteps.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
8:55 pm
How’s that Nobel prize looking?
Rich
August 20th, 2011
8:57 pm
Oh, hell, Kyle, why didn’t you just add tort reform to your list, too. Republicans look for every opportunity to shove their damming agenda down everyones throats. Your party’s solution for EVERYTHING is lower taxes for the well to do, tort reform, less regulation and stepping on the backs of “commoners” to raise yourselves up. Give a thought to using your power for good, and the benefit of ALL Americans.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
8:59 pm
Rich, businesses aren’t leaving the country in search of higher taxes, more onerous regulations, and unfunded government mandates.
Hillbilly D
August 20th, 2011
9:00 pm
The Georgia Legislature passed a tort reform bill in 2005. From where I sit, I can’t see as it made any difference, one way or the other.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
9:05 pm
Of course not. It was overturned in 2010 by some activist judges.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
9:27 pm
Five years just isn’t enough time to test a Republican’s tort reform. I wonder how long it will take to determine whether any Republican legislation will work.
Rafe Hollister
August 20th, 2011
9:34 pm
Rich
Your party’s solution for EVERYTHING is lower taxes for the well to do, tort reform, less regulation and stepping on the backs of “commoners” to raise yourselves up.
Let me rewrite that for you. Your partys solution for EVERYTHING is higher taxes on the producers, more handouts for the parasites, more regulation, and pulling down the productive to make things “fair”, so you don’t have to do anything to improve yourself.
I like my rewrite much better.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 20th, 2011
9:54 pm
PTAG, the tort reform reduced malpractice premiums and made health care more affordable.
Don’t fear facts.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
10:08 pm
Of course not. It was overturned in 2010 by some activist judges.
Facts. What facts.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 20th, 2011
10:10 pm
the tort reform reduced malpractice premiums and made health care more affordable.
It accomplished both of those things, huh.
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
10:40 pm
“Every time politicians say they’re going to create jobs, they end up destroying more jobs than they create. Here’s the (delete) approach to unemployment: cut taxes and spending, and let the free market work.
“Government intervention in the free market is what causes unemployment. There are many examples of this, well known to many economists. Minimum wage laws cause unemployment. Government-mandated unemployment insurance causes unemployment. Welfare and food stamps cause unemployment. Occupational licensing laws cause unemployment.”
“One especially destructive factor is government prohibition of at-will employment. Because the government won’t let employers hire, maintain, and fire employees on a truly at-will basis, it makes employment much riskier. Employers are scared to hire people because it can be so difficult to fire them if they don’t work out, and employers are sometimes even scared to interview people because they might be forced to hire them. The result? More unemployment.
“What about all the ‘stimulus spending’ we’ve seen during the last two administrations?
“Stimulus spending doesn’t create jobs, it destroys them. The government spends money by extracting it out of the productive private sector, which causes a net loss of jobs.
“Stimulus spending makes our future less secure, without doing any good in the present. It destroys jobs today, as well as down the road.
“Back in 2009, the Obama administration was worried that unemployment might reach 8 percent. So they pushed through a massive stimulus program, and unemployment went up even higher, to 10 percent. The stimulus program made our problems worse.
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I’d bet this came from some old TEA PARTY website!
Michael H. Smith
August 20th, 2011
10:56 pm
Well the above post or paste, it could have been taken from some old TEA PARTY website.
But it wasn’t.
It was taken from a Libertarian, actually.
This time without the deletion –
Libertarians say ‘more jobs, less government’
As unemployment in the United States remains stuck above 9 percent, Libertarian Party Executive Director Wes Benedict released the following statement: “Every time politicians say they’re going to create jobs, they end up destroying more jobs than they create. Here’s the Libertarian approach to unemployment: cut taxes and spending, and let the free market work…
http://westmorelandtimes.com/news/2011/08/libertarians-say-more-jobs-less-government-20081112201602/
The TEA PARTY can say exactly the same things as the Libertarian Party and yet none of these democrat socialist liberals will attack Libertarians with their hate, bigotry and lies in the same extremest manner, even though, the agendas of The TEA and Libertarian Party run parallel in ideology.
Just saying…
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
5:36 am
The TEA PARTY can say exactly the same things as the Libertarian Party and yet none of these democrat socialist liberals will attack Libertarians with their hate, bigotry and lies
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The Libertarians rarely defeat Democrats in elections. It has nothing to do with the policy or the facts. It’s all about the tea party taking away the Democrat’s power and the threat of shrinking government that scare the Dems.
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
6:22 am
Exactly.
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
7:19 am
How many times have I heard this lie told…
You just want to give the big corporations trillions of dollars and make the poor, pitiful poor people and minorities pay these evil rich fat cat corporation’s fair share of taxes.
10 Facts About Corporate Taxes That Will Make Your Blood Boil
The facts that you are about to read will probably make you really mad. They are meant to make you mad. They are meant to help you understand that our tax system is deeply, deeply broken. The big multinational corporations do not pay their share of taxes, our representatives in Washington D.C. admit that they are always several steps behind the hordes of corporate tax lawyers and economic activity is being pushed out of the United States by our ridiculously high corporate tax rate. Basically, our corporate tax policy is a complete and total mess.
The following are 10 facts about corporate taxes that will likely make your blood boil….
#1 Once Japan’s corporate tax rate goes down in April, the United States will have the the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world.
#2 In the United States, the corporate tax rate is 35 percent. In Ireland, it is only 12.5 percent. Needless to say, hundreds of American companies have been moving at least some of their operations over to Ireland.
#3 As corporations have become experts at gaming the system, their contribution to federal revenue has gone way down. Back in the 1950s, corporate taxes accounted for about 30 percent of all federal revenue, but in 2009 corporate taxes accounted for just 6.6 percent.
#4 Switzerland has become an extremely attractive tax haven for multinational corporations. In fact, some cities in Switzerland do a booming business in setting up sham headquarters for foreign corporations. For example: Zug, Switzerland is home to 26,000 people and 30,000 companies.
#5 Transocean, the owner of the rig involved in the BP oil spill, has approximately 13,000 employees in Houston, Texas and about a dozen or so employees in Zug, Switzerland. But by moving their “headquarters” to Zug for tax purposes, Transocean has saved about 2 billion dollars.
#6 According to the New York Times, General Electric made a total of 14.2 billion dollars in profits last year. So how much did they pay in taxes to the U.S. Treasury? According to the New York Times, not one penny was paid. However, General Electric disputes this.
#7 Even though Boeing receives billions in federal subsidies every year and even though it has a bunch of juicy government contracts it did not pay a single penny in federal corporate income taxes from 2008 to 2010.
#8 Exxon-Mobil paid $15 billion in taxes in 2009, but not a single penny went to the U.S. government. Meanwhile, their CEO brought in over 29 million dollars in total compensation that year.
#9 It is estimated that U.S. companies have approximately 1.2 trillion dollars “trapped” overseas, because they cannot bring that money back into the country without being subjected to the 35 percent corporate tax rate. But that money certainly could go a long way towards stimulating the stagnating U.S. economy.
#10 Sadly, the 1.2 trillion dollars that is “trapped” overseas is just the tip of the iceberg. The largest corporations and the ultra-wealthy have turned tax avoidance into an art form. The truth is that according to an article in Forbes magazine, there is somewhere between 15 and 20 trillion dollars in offshore bank accounts, brokerage accounts and hedge fund portfolios. In fact, it has been estimated that a third of all the wealth in the world is held in “offshore” banks.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/10-facts-about-corporate-taxes-that-will-make-your-blood-boil
~ PS. If I had not read this same information so many times before I’d probably be mad as hell after reading this article as an objective first time reader of these facts and as someone who paid more taxes than these fat cat multi-national corporations.
But that’s not the case. Now it’s not about getting mad anymore – It’s about getting even!
The author of this article agreeably is correct to say fixing the broken tax system of this country will not be easy, because some people in our government and elsewhere don’t want it fixed. Not so agreeably to the author’s prerogative is the fact that simple, although very hard steps can be taken which are likely to solve a few very costly problems.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 21st, 2011
7:54 am
Corporations pay far less federal income taxes in the US than individuals pay. Further, many use places such as Ireland and other countries to set up shell corporations in order to reduce their US income taxes. Close the tax loopholes and help level that playing field.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
8:10 am
Please be more specific about which loophole you believe should be closed.
Bill
August 21st, 2011
8:18 am
You can ease rules, eliminate the minimum wage, cut corporate taxes. It doesn’t matter. Companies will do the smart thing and sit on their cash until demand increases. Demand is the ONLY thing that makes companies hire. As long as they can meet their (low) customer demand, there will be no new jobs.
How do we create demand? As distasteful as many people may find it, the surest way to do that is to put money in the hands of people who have NO choice but to spend it.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
8:22 am
Obozo put $800 billion in the hands of people who have NO choice but to spend it. He told us it would keep unemployment from rising above 8%.
How’d that work out?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
8:27 am
The U.S. has the second-highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world and is one of the very few who tax profits earned abroad. Is it any wonder that they and their jobs are moving to more business-friendly environs? Go ahead and close whatever “loopholes” you want and see what happens. It won’t be what the libtards expect.
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
8:55 am
Bill – The problem is not a lack of demand, in my opinion. It is however an abundance of demand with no or little money to provide for buying what is a pent-up demand for goods and services. People have not stopped buying because they no longer need or want to buy proverbial widgets and gadgets. Simply having the government print-up or borrow more money from anyone dumb enough to lend us more in order to, as some say, put money into people’s hands, is a short term counter productive solution that digs the hole deeper & makes the problems worse. That has been done already, so what part of that failure don’t we get – trillions of dollars spent, millions of jobs lost and several generations of unborn American put into debt for a lifetime!
The idea of just rob the rich to pay for a grandiose government giveaway to the poor will simply repeat a failed process that sent these rich corporations and their money out of this country. It is a very big mistake to think rich people can’t or will not leave this country an take their money with them. They have before and they will again when forced into a losing situation.
As distasteful as this sounds to a great many one of the hard steps that must be taken, will be having to compete by lowering our corporate tax rates here in this country to equal the corporate tax rates of other countries in order to attract or re-attract these off-shore outsourcing corporations to relocate their money and jobs in America to put money into people’s hands.
The idea is to reward them for returning money&jobs to America and punish them only for not bring U.S. dollars&jobs back to our shores. Otherwise, it will be more of the same demagoguery made worse several times over. Which unfortunately is about what I think will happen in reality, even though it shouldn’t.
GT
August 21st, 2011
9:20 am
The problem with Michael H. Smith is he parrots and has no real idea what he is talking about. None of this came out while Bush was spending, it was saved for Obama. The problem with this country is business have become so big they cannot turn around fast enough for change. The same people that promote the government getting smaller are the same people that want to depend upon big business to fix the problem. Big business not the citizens of this country now controls this country. If they are dinosaurs they have the political clot to stay in existence. The easy credit that put us into recession was a road paved in gold for these businesses. They sold product to people that could not afford it. Made their books look good under a false atmosphere. Someone makes money when the rest of us lose money and it is this group that in essence has run a ponzi scheme cheating the citizens of this country and keeping the money, being then bailed out by the same citizens that have lost the blood.
Business need to be smaller more responsible to the local communities. Be able to be flexible and competitive. We do not need to entrench these robber barons any more they take care of themselves quit well without our help.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
9:24 am
I doubt that the solution is smaller, less efficient businesses and higher prices.
MarkV
August 21st, 2011
9:43 am
“The U.S. has the second-highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world and is one of the very few who tax profits earned abroad.”
General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010
The company, led by Immelt, earned $14.2 billion in profits in 2010, but it paid not a penny in taxes because the bulk of those profits, some $9 billion, were offshore.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general-electric-paid-federal-taxes-2010/story?id=13224558
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
10:03 am
Yeah, I Michael H. Smith, saved up the obumer failed promises just so I could parrot his failures against him after bush was gone!
obumer promise: just let me borrow and spend trillions dollars and I promise unemployment will not go above 8%.
Reality, unemployment went above 10% and remains at 9% and above now.
obumer has alienated business of all sizes with his uncertainties, irresponsible actions and thanks to him small businesses have definitely become smaller in their communities, while larger corporations sit on all that cash as their profits increase and their payrolls don’t. Thanks lil barack, you are just what this country needs to remain in that ditch you made deeper.
Now carry on with the demagoguery socialist liberals and make the failures worse.
GT
August 21st, 2011
10:11 am
Less efficient businesses? When we are bailing out these whales that term was mentioned a lot, but not about small businesses, about big business. Big business with small government is an incubator for more of what we saw in the Bush administration. We need a new industry more suited to community and not callus to their demands and how it treats people. These businesses will grow and become big businesses but if they cannot support themselves except by cheating, political connection and unrealistic credit conditions they should fail. The market has lost its voting power when the game is shacked against them. You get false results from the economy because you are artificially supporting the rich and corporate sectors. There is no market for a million dollar house so we make one by giving money away. There is no market for Las Vegas but we make one by giving away credit card money and tax deductions. Junk bonds built Vegas and much of this other nonsense. Then free credit to unqualified buyers supported it. Now the rich that made money off these schemes don’t even pay taxes, which are minor in effect but adds insult to injury. This country looks like a bomb went off, empty houses, homeless, and jobless. If we had grown business from the grassroots, not gone to the market and got a ton of money and then tried to grow into that money overnight we would not be having these problems. If we had not booked profit from unmade money to make the books look successful and the stock prices unrealistic. Billionaires under 30 were made in a matter of months. And in all this we lost respect for the average laborer. You were a loser if you delivered or labored. Working at McDonald’s became a term for loser. Colleges opened up on every street corner, diplomas became watered down, education got watered down. Then somewhere we started mixing God into it. Then churches started being mega too. Buses bring up from the parking lot to the church door. Our face doesn’t look familiar to the preacher or our neighbors or our banker, or our employer. The government is not to blame for this they were no where to be found in the last administration. Madoff and Enron were having field days, but a lot more were that never entered prison and never will as tumbleweeds roll through our streets. How do we forget so soon?
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
10:12 am
Made their books look good under a false atmosphere
Yeah, they took their money and our American jobs offshore to avoid paying your supported 35% corporate tax rate, Socialist Brucie.
I can’t blame them for being smarter than you but I can blame you and obuner for being dumber than them!
Rafe Hollister
August 21st, 2011
10:26 am
Obama and the Dems just get more detached from reality. First it was channeling space aliens, now Obama can’t accept that people do not like his policies.
VINEYARD HAVEN, Mass. (AP) — President Barack Obama says his low approval rating is a reflection of public unhappiness with Congress.
Has nothing to do with failing policies or lack of leadership, I think he is saying!!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
10:32 am
I don’t recall our President Bush or our President Reagan bothering to comment on their poll numbers, much less spending time figuring out who to blame.
Obozo: Loser.
Rafe Hollister
August 21st, 2011
10:41 am
LBB, our Blamer in Chief takes responsibility for nothing, nothing, including his own low poll numbers. Wouldn’t you think that would be the only thing he couldn’t blame on others?
GT
August 21st, 2011
10:54 am
One of the largest industries we have in this country is the illegal drug industry. It is funny how the American public supports the drug business. If there was not a demand there wouldn’t be drugs sold and the violence would not be here. Obviously there is a market for drugs that is stronger than the fear of prison or violence or public perception. Now here is a market not artificially made in fact we try to kill it and can’t. It can’t go overseas the market is here. Billions of untaxed dollars in a business that has to be in the US, it is the only country rich enough to support it, much of that money now going to Mexico to crime lords. They have done this without banks or financing, mostly a cash business; it is grass rooted and very successful. The largest dollar spent in the justice department is spent on stopping this business. Keystone cops against real free enterprise doesn’t work does it?
If corporation don’t need American markets we don’t need them. They move out of this country but still want access to our markets, how does that work? I think everything sold in this country should have a federal tax, including drugs. Let the corporations move wherever they want but if you want access to our market you will pay. If these companies cut off the sell of products then some American, small business, takes up the stack and American labor gets the job instead of some Chinese labor. Either pay or you are welcome to leave. Prices go up but so does the American economy. No taxes hikes, cost cutting is still on and Americans are working.
GT
August 21st, 2011
10:58 am
I wouldn’t use President Bush as a model of what a president should look like. If the Republicans were electing Reagan types I would still be a Republican. I’m with the Reagan family who are tired of all these rednecks claiming ownership to the Reagan legacy when they are about nothing the man stood for.
MarkV
August 21st, 2011
11:09 am
The Obama-haters are disgusting hypocrites. The pretend that history starts with Obama’s inauguration. They claim that it is Obama’s “anti-business policy” that is responsible for the slow recovery, but care not to mention that Bush’s policy and decisions ended with the worst recession in many decades. They ignore that the unemployment increase occurred between May 2008 and October 2009, clearly the effect of the Bush’s recession, not Obama’s policy. They ignore that the stimulus did stop the slide. They gloat about the low GDP growth rate this year, but never mention the huge GDP contraction at the end of Bush’s presidency.
Since they do not have the facts on their side, theObama-haters resort to the most nauseating name calling of the President (Idiot, moron, fascist, lying, do-nothing sack of excrement). And some of them then have the chutzpah to ask “Why is it that liberals use the most profane language in the human universe…?”
MarkV
August 21st, 2011
11:09 am
The Republicans cynically use the plight of the unemployed for the political gain. They do what they can to block help to unemployed in order to make them turn against Obama. Mike Luckovich got it exactly right in today’s cartoon. GOP’s jobs plan: “Block efforts to lower unemployment rates. Obama gets blamed.”
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
11:13 am
Where’s the “change”?
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
11:16 am
Don’t worry brucie we market capitalists will not take your claim on marx and obumer. Emulate them both all you want.
Meanwhile, we’ll just keeping working to get rid of you socialists and replace obumer & ilk come 2012, promptly lower corporate tax rates, roll out the welcome mat to business once again willing to repatriate money & jobs to Americans and put out our sign globally UNDER NEW “BUSINESS FRIENDLY” MANAGEMENT !
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
11:18 am
Who did you blame for unemployment when our President Bush was in office? Obozo has been in office going on three years.
And which Obozo jobs plan have the Republicans blocked? Didn’t think so. Liar.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 21st, 2011
11:21 am
Kyle even admitted that corporate balance sheets are flush with cash so I think it is quite obvious that they are not being overly burdened with excessive taxation. As for regulations, if you Republicans wish to take your chances with the food that you eat and the medicines that you take and the water that you drink and do the same for your families, more power to you but leave me out of the profit at all cost, even life, belief. Finally, if you and your families wish to work for fifty cents per hour just so you can claim to be employed, there’s no one here going to stop you. Have fun with that strategy for reducing unemployment. To think that you are the same people that whine every time someone says that billionaires should at least pay more than 15% in income taxes because that would prevent them from helping our economy is laughable.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 21st, 2011
11:23 am
The only plan the Republicans have for jobs or anything else is the whine plan. Just ask Gramm.
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
11:42 am
Kyle even admitted that corporate balance sheets are flush with cash so I think it is quite obvious that they are not being overly burdened with excessive taxation.
Of course corporations that are flush with cash are not being overly burdened with excessive taxation, they have all that cash offshore out of the reach of U.S. taxation. Did you think about that before making your statement? Didn’t read the 10 things that would make you mad about corporate taxes, either did you? Want to take me up on a bet that Kyle doesn’t agree with your line of thinking about those cash flush corporations but rather probably agrees with me that U.S. corporate tax rates should be lowered to competitive levels in keeping with those of other countries where U.S. corporations have relocated their money and our jobs? Want to quote Kyle in addition on that one, I’ll just bet you won’t?
Want to take another bet with me? Raise the corporate tax rate even higher, say to 50% and have obumer preach corporate responsibility, compliance with more ridiculous GUB’MENT regulations and reliance on cram-it-down-your-throat-compromise with union extortions, let see how many corporations keep their U.S. corporate charter in this country?
I’d be surprised if there were any U.S. charted corporations remaining.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
11:42 am
So the Republicans are blocking nothing, since that’s what your Idiot Messiah has proposed. Thanks for admitting that both Luckovich and you are lying.
Rich
August 21st, 2011
11:45 am
Rafe Hollister,
There is so much wrong with your thinking and assumptions. Without addressing them individually to score some points, it is important for your well being to for you to know, you may want to seek the assistance of a mental health counselor. You deserve to be happy and rid of your mental parasite image. Truly do all you can to rid yourself of all the obvious anger and ugliness you have built up, for whatever reason, justified or not. You will live longer, and have happier friends and family. Best wishes.
GT
August 21st, 2011
11:52 am
Michael H. Smith where does Bush’s bail out of Wall Street enter you capitalistic floor plan? Seems to me Wall Street is operating on government money not unlike banks in the reddest Russian in its prime. Where doe private enterprise end and government ran begin?
The reason corporations are letting cash pile up is because their stomach are full and like a lion kept as a house pet as long as they are fed they don’t need to eat. There should be an equal hunger in this country. One half should not be sleeping with a full stomach while the other half is starving. There should be a fear greater than the warmth and comfort of sitting on money to spend that money. Small businesses have to grow or not exist. If those small community banks in Georgia had had the opportunities sucked up by these inefficient large banks, which should have been out of business, there would not be as many failed community banks. Wal-mart killed many a downtown in the real America and with it real Americans that ran those businesses. Only big obsolete government protected businesses can not produce and survive. If you are going to protect, protect Americans, not Chinese workers and big business who by nature will eat us up when they are hungry.
Rafe Hollister
August 21st, 2011
11:54 am
Mark V
History did not start with Obummer’s inauguration, the promise he made to fix the economy did. What has he done? Where is his plan?
Reps want to block plans to improve unemployment? What have they blocked? Barry has no plan and has not submitted any legislation to improve unemployment. He has rammed through Obamacare, the largest job killing bill yet. He has ordered the EPA to implement Cap and Tax to limit emissions of CO2, without Congressional approval.
The stimulus/porkulus stopped the slide. I guess that didn’t make the papers, huh? Last I saw unemployment was at 9.1 after falling from 10.2. Prior to the stimulus, it was what, 7 %. Looks like it caused the slide to me.
GT
You are right about the drug trade thriving. All of the underground economy is thriving untaxed. That is why we need the Fair Tax, it fixes all your problems with the tax system and corporate america and the underground economy. We need a tax on illegal alien invasion, if Obummer is going to give them Amnesty, at least make them pay a tax for illegically crossing the border.
As far as millionaires and billionaires paying more, look at Drudge today, there is an article posted that shows that Buffets math is all screwed up. The article says that even if we taxed them at 50%, there are not enough of them and they don’t earn enough to significantly affect even one years deficit. Just the libs wanting to get even with the productive in society.
I’m tired, going to look for the Mother Ship predicted by the GW “Scientest”.
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
12:02 pm
brucie – bush didn’t enter my plan and in case you haven’t noticed he’s gone, but if it were not for bush your lil buddy barack would never have been elected prez. Now please don’t bore me with your failed ideas from marxism. If you are dumb enough to a pay a government 35% of your earning when you could get by with paying only 12%, then brucie, you have removed all doubt from my mind why you were a life-long GUB’MENT employee. Civil service protection was a necessity of life for you.
Rafe Hollister
August 21st, 2011
12:03 pm
Rich, noticed you didn’t come back with any specifics on things I was wrong on.
BTW, I am not angry, sad, or mentally disturbed. Just highly amused and entertained by the illogic that the left uses to justify their wealth redistribution, hate the rich, hate business, love Obama agenda. You are all just like little kids in the checkout line, who ask their mother for some candy, and when Mom says no we can’t afford it because Daddy got laid off, you scream, but it is not FAIR.
GT
August 21st, 2011
12:37 pm
Michael H. Smith we can back off the 35% tax on corporate but in return there is no bail outs, there is nothing illegally sold that there is a market demand for. Government resigns itself to policing in local affairs such as murder, rape and robbery. We don’t enter wars on false facts and wars that do not serve our interest as a nation. If illegal immigrants want to come to this country and improve product made in the bounties of this country as oppose to shipping jobs out of the countries because we can compete common sense will prevail not politics and bigotry. We are trying to form a country for the interest of people who in real life show no loyalty to this country. I find the illegal immigrant closer to a real American than some of this big business and Tea Party crowd. Big business leaves this country like a mafia hit man, it is just business nothing personal, the rich take and are big business and don’t pay taxes. This country is bigger than big business, the rich are there no matter the names, the rich did not make America, America made the rich. If they have no respect for the country that made them the hot shot they think they are, then go and let someone else take your place that appreciates being an American. Follow this prescription and you will find the American economy strong and well.
MarkV
August 21st, 2011
1:41 pm
Rafe Hollister 11:54 am : “Reps want to block plans to improve unemployment? What have they blocked?”
When you learn to read carefully, perhaps you will understand my point:
“The Republicans cynically use the plight of the unemployed for the political gain. They do what they can to block help to unemployed in order to make them turn against Obama. (MarkV @11:09 am) My emphasis.
“Democrats on Tuesday broke Republican-led opposition to a bill that would extend unemployment benefits to 2.5 million jobless Americans, but the vote only hardened the political divide and almost assured that any further domestic aid before November will be all but impossible.
Though the Senate reached the 60 votes needed to end a GOP filibuster and force a final vote on the legislation, prospects for the next spending bill — enabling states to avert teacher layoffs — appeared doomed.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/20/nation/la-na-jobless-20100721
Rafe Hollister 11:54 am “History did not start with Obummer’s inauguration, the promise he made to fix the economy did. What has he done? “ “The stimulus/porkulus stopped the slide. I guess that didn’t make the papers, huh? Last I saw unemployment was at 9.1 after falling from 10.2. Prior to the stimulus, it was what, 7 %. Looks like it caused the slide to me.”
Economy is not only unemployment. As just about every economist knows, the drop in unemployment lags behind economic growth. The economy (GDP rate) was contracting starting in the third quarter of 2008. In January 2009, Obama signed the stimulus bill. The GDP rate returned to positive numbers starting in the third quarter of 2009. Looks like stopping the slide to me.
Rafe Hollister 11:54 am: “He has rammed through Obamacare, the largest job killing bill yet.”
Evidence?
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
According to Mr. Smith, corporations need bigger tax cuts in order to increase their flush with cash situation even more because that will get them to spend it here in the US so they can become more flush with cash than before. Okay. I do not even pretend to follow that circular logic. Just admit the facts. You want to eliminate all taxes in order to eliminate all government so you will be happy and can find something else to whine about.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
Maxine Waters: ‘The tea party can go straight to hell’
http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/21/maxine-waters-the-tea-party-can-go-straight-to-hell/#ixzz1VglgDA8Q
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Where’s the tolerance? Where’s the civility?
Democrats: Lying hypocrites.
snoqualmiefalls
August 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
“Lower the minimum wage”? Huh? If people have less money to spend than they do now how in the world do you expect people to spend money to pick up our consumerist economy? In my college Econ. 101 from 40 years ago i learned a basic foundation of economics
if your make more money you spend more money… DUH!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
You can question whether harmonizing our tax code with every other industrialized nation, or slowing Obozo’s orgy of regulation, or ending the bashing of the productive class for the temerity of turning a profit will produce jobs.
What is not in question is the fact that your Idiot Messiah’s approach of doing the opposite has failed miserably.
Obozo will probably propose more of the same in September, thereby meeting the definition of insanity.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
“if your make more money you spend more money”
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How much do you make if you don’t have a job? DUH!
Suits2aTea
August 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
The Tea Party is a symptom of a national malaise. That sickness is best described as delusional and sociopathic. The problem is the internet. The fifteen minutes of work-at-home fame and fortune that every single voter feels they deserve. Imagine 100 million Conan Obrians or Jay Lenos all competing for the attention of the same 100 million. The Tea Party gave a stage to the long-ignored mutants who were once the silent majority.
What these deranged, unhinged, and unmedicated herd-thinks don’t understand is that some real secessionist-wolves are hiding in their midst, using them as a blind. We haven’t been in this much constitutional trouble since the Civil War. The Tea Party doesn’t have a platform, other than to be against whatever our president gots. They’d childishly break a toy rather than let Obama play with it.
Suits2aTea
August 21st, 2011
2:33 pm
The definition of insanity is not “doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result”. Einstein was refering to quantum physics, where the same experiment does yield different results. He thought it was crazy to believe in a theory like that.
No shortage of ignorance in the Tea Party.
Linda
August 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
Kyle, my comments are not going through.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 21st, 2011
3:03 pm
On Saturday in Inglewood, Calif., Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters had some harsh words for the tea party. “And as far as I’m concerned — the tea party can go straight to hell.”
Well.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
Suits2aTea: The Tea Party doesn’t have a platform, other than to be against whatever our president gots.
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Wrong. The tea party platform is for reduced spending and smaller government.
Small-minded people confuse a platform they don’t like with no platform at all.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
While it’s true that Cynthia Tucker leaving the Urinal makes it a better newspaper, it’s still an awful and nasty little publication, just sayin…
RGB
August 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
“….our Blamer in Chief takes responsibility for nothing.”
That’s not exactly true.
He took credit for killing bin Laden.
“With my bare hands, wearing my black windbreaker, I faced-down Osama’s woman and struck the fatal blow for democracy. I fought off twelve of them by myself I tell you….”
Rich
August 21st, 2011
4:19 pm
Rafe,
In your responses to my posting, every single one of your assumptions is wrong. There is not point in providing you “arguments” because you seem to be a person without much ability to reason, right now. Your are fighting battles with “enemies” that don’t exist.
MarkV
August 21st, 2011
5:14 pm
RGB @4:09 pm
There are stupid, disgusting statements in these posts, and your fits among the top ones.
Rafe Hollister
August 21st, 2011
5:27 pm
Rich
I just read where Barry’s approval rating on the economy was down to 26%. My wife says, who could be those ####’s be; I said Rich and friends. Of course, she didn’t know who I was refering to, but I thought it was funny.
Rafe Hollister
August 21st, 2011
5:34 pm
RGB, that is funny right there. MarK V is just a sore loser.
MarkV
August 21st, 2011
6:26 pm
Rafe Hollister @5:34 pm: Your lack of logic is noted.
Phil's Tel-A-Gramm
August 21st, 2011
7:48 pm
Why do the whining Republicans on here worship an idiot. That seems rather odd.
Michael H. Smith
August 21st, 2011
8:20 pm
Michael H. Smith we can back off the 35% tax on corporate but in return there is no bail outs, there is nothing illegally sold that there is a market demand for.
Got no problems with getting rid of ALL subsidies/bailouts.
Government resigns itself to policing in local affairs such as murder, rape and robbery.
Got problems here, when the Federal Government refuses to enforce the Constitution. States must protect the citizens and their rights.
If illegal immigrants want to come to this country and improve product made in the bounties of this country as oppose to shipping jobs out of the countries because we can compete common sense will prevail not politics and bigotry.
Again same problems with Federal Government’s failure to uphold the Constitution and illegal immigration is exactly the same as offshore outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries for foreign workers to take away from American workers, so don’t be a damn hypocrite brucie, this has nothing to do bigotry. It is all about property rights, national sovereignty, public safety and the economic well being of U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.
We don’t enter wars on false facts and wars that do not serve our interest as a nation.
Have no problem with requiring any military action that last beyond one week any President must go before the entire Congress for an up or down vote of approval else all funding stop immediately. Since Democrats get us into the majority of wars and by way of false facts you surprise on this one. You didn’t bump your head or hit the wrong key on the pad when typing this one did you?
I find the illegal immigrant closer to a real American than some of this big business and Tea Party crowd.
And you lost the Constitution in the process that establish who and what is a real American. This is more of your ideology that you know I see as purely anti-American trash ripe for exile.
This country is bigger than big business, the rich are there no matter the names, the rich did not make America, America made the rich. If they have no respect for the country that made them the hot shot they think they are, then go and let someone else take your place that appreciates being an American. Follow this prescription and you will find the American economy strong and well.
If this country is bigger than business it isn’t bigger by much and it is then too small for the liberty and freedom of capitalism. The rich and most of the capitalist rest probably would return your offer to you and insist you go elsewhere, since you feel so much bigger.
Phil’s Tel-A-Gramm – So you have a problem with someone making a great deal of money, even if when the money they make creates jobs for others and distribute some of that money to the others through wages so others enjoy some of that wealth that you so obviously lust pathetically after begrudgingly with an immoral envy?
Linda
August 21st, 2011
9:02 pm
Michael H. Smith, You do the conservatives proud. Thank you!
Geo
August 21st, 2011
9:27 pm
Hey Phil:
You’re worshiping an empty suit w/wet pants. Go figure.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
August 21st, 2011
9:35 pm
Obozo wets his pants whenever some American asks him a question that wasn’t in the script, and he ends up babbling about spreading the wealth around or some such liberal fascist tripe (aka his “core beliefs”).
Economist, Wingfield is not
August 22nd, 2011
7:36 am
How many jobs have been lost due to regulations that keep our air, water and soil clean? Actually, regulations create jobs and innovation and improve our health and our future economic prospects.
Regarding Boeing, for which a couple of thousand jobs are at steak in SC: If Boeing is told to relocate jobs back to Washington, those jobs do not disappear, they are…relocated. Secondly, the factory is already built in SC, Boeing will find a use for it or sell it to a company that will hire SC people to work in it.
Lowering the min. wage? Really? That’s the solution? This piece is not serious.
tiredofIT
August 22nd, 2011
8:08 am
The tea party brain met Naegleria fowleri and lost.
theTruth
August 22nd, 2011
8:18 am
The administration of George Bush sold its 2001 and 2003 tax cuts as Keynesian-style economic stimulus. Lawrence Lindsey, a top Bush adviser, even likened opponents of the tax cuts to President Herbert Hoover, whose obsession with balancing the budget in 1932 worsened the Great Depression.
Ahnald
August 22nd, 2011
8:40 am
First solution to spur growth….dump Obama and his ilk
Boehner to Obama: Come clean on cost of new regulations | Kyle Wingfield
August 26th, 2011
11:16 am
[...] better, no-cost stimulus would be, as I pointed out last week, to put a freeze on these costly new [...]