2012 Tuesday: This week, it’s all about Obama

There’s not much percolating in the GOP presidential race right now besides the same old, same old: Texas Gov. Rick Perry all but saying he’s running, just not yet; Michele Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty sniping at one another in what may turn out to be an elimination contest between them in Iowa; Herman Cain still trying to explain his various comments about Muslims as he fades from real contention.

If they’re smart, Republican candidates are letting this week in 2012 politics be about Barack Obama and the nation’s debt.

The president spent weeks insisting it was up to Congress to solve the debt-ceiling problem — which is technically true, although the reality that he has to sign any legislation Congress passes suggests it’s not crazy of the leaders on Capitol Hill to think they should have buy-in from the White House beforehand. Then Obama did get involved, repeatedly describing himself as the only responsible person in Washington and talking about the leaders of a co-equal branch of government as if they were his children.

The primary result, to date, has been to drive said leaders away from his negotiating table to work on a deal — a deal that, as of right now, looks like it will ignore Obama’s central demand of including new tax revenues. That, and to leave Obama giving a primetime address to the nation in an attempt to keep himself relevant in the very negotiations he once wanted no part of.

The president’s speech Monday night also had the ostensible goal of making sure the public blames Republicans in the event of a technical default or a credit-rating downgrade. Which was curious, given that Democrats keep citing public opinion polls indicating the public’s already doing that. Are Obama and his fellow Democrats worried that they’ll actually get too much of the blame?

And what if a deal is struck? By making it clear that his talks with Speaker John Boehner were fruitless, Obama has essentially cut himself out of any credit for a deal. If a deal is struck, it most likely will not be because Obama was able to pull various congressional factions together but, rather, because Congress called his bluff by putting together a deal that wasn’t on his terms.

Some Republican voters might blame GOP lawmakers for a deal that they view as too much of a compromise, but read my lips: That’s not going to make those people vote for Obama next year. Or stay home from the polls rather than voting for his GOP opponent. Who, in all likelihood, will be someone who wasn’t in Congress during this debate. (Sorry, Michele.)

I doubt Obama will get a primary opponent, despite Sen. Bernie Sanders’ laments. But I think it’s reasonable to ask whether liberals will be as enthusiastic about keeping Obama as conservatives are about voting him out, especially when I see poll numbers like these reported by the Washington Post:

The Post-ABC poll found that the number of liberal Democrats who strongly support Obama’s record on jobs plunged 22 points from 53 percent last year to 31 percent. The number of African Americans who believe the president’s actions have helped the economy has dropped from 77 percent in October to just over half of those surveyed.

The last three national elections — 2006, 2008 and 2010 — have been repudiations of the ruling party (in Congress, the White House and Congress again, respectively). The next one is shaping up likewise, and more weeks like this one will make it hard for Obama to buck the trend.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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dw

July 26th, 2011
11:43 am

First… serioulsy?

Red

July 26th, 2011
11:54 am

That Rick Perry guy is the same one that said that Texas might secede and that two dudes getting gay married in NY was ‘fine’?

2012 will be decided by latinos.

F. Sinkwich

July 26th, 2011
11:54 am

Obama did himself no favors last night. He proved once again he’s no leader. Hopey/Changey is hopelessly over his head.

ByteMe

July 26th, 2011
11:55 am

it’s not crazy of the leaders on Capitol Hill to think they should have buy-in from the White House beforehand.

What? They can’t get enough votes to override his veto? Wonder why that would be? Oh, yeah, because their plans aren’t popular enough in a divided Congress and the “silent majority” (thanks, Dick!) haven’t made their voices heard… until last night.

The president’s speech Monday night also had the ostensible goal of making sure the public blames Republicans in the event of a technical default or a credit-rating downgrade. Which was curious, given that Democrats keep citing public opinion polls indicating the public’s already doing that.

I don’t think the crazy fringe could hear the silent majority over the noises in their head. Until now. Congress’ switchboard has been jammed since last night. Can you hear us now??

MrLiberty

July 26th, 2011
12:23 pm

No, those with sound solutions are speaking out. Ron Paul has proposed simply wiping out the 1.2 Trillion dollar debt that the treasury owes to the Federal Reserve. The Fed bought our bonds when nobody else would. Technically it counts against the debt ceiling, but is really just money we owe to ourselves. The Fed just printed the money out of thin air as they always do so really no big deal.

Any word from the congress or the president on this common sense proposal?? Of course not. They don’t want to have to admit that the Federal Reserve is the enabler of all of our deficit spending or that we are engaging is such dubious financial manipulations that such a stupid situation even exists.

As always, Ron Paul with the common sense solution that too many are afraid of – Liberty.

Jefferson

July 26th, 2011
12:26 pm

The GOP IS the problem, not the solution. Raise the limit so the US doen’t default enough to fill the term, before no party hyjacked the crisis and that only. Since congress gives out the money for spending let that debate go on, but if you don’t have the votes you have to bend. You can’t do nothing, but talk a good game. (Tee reps) That is childish.

Logical Dude

July 26th, 2011
12:31 pm

quoting: “[Obama is] only responsible person in Washington and talking about the leaders of a co-equal branch of government as if they were his children.”

Well, if they’d act like grown-ups and come to a deal, maybe he wouldn’t need to treat them like children. Especially when they all throw tantrums when they dont’ get their way, and sit and whine in the corner until you give them what they want.

Silly children.

Logical Dude

July 26th, 2011
12:34 pm

Mr Liberty: The Fed just printed the money out of thin air

Well, we don’t want the world to know that our currency is fake.

Shovel Ready Jobs and other Tales

July 26th, 2011
12:41 pm

Obama talks a good game (and by that I mean he has good rhetorical skills), but his motives are suspect (to say the least). I think Brett Hume has correctly concluded that, by lauding Reid’s new plan and reportedly nixing the 2 phase plan Boehner and Reid had come up with over the weekend, he does not care about tax increases nearly as much as he cares about this issue being put to rest until 2013. And that, I think, strongly suggests his main motivation is political (since also neither of the current plans reduce the deficit by the 4 trillion dollars the credit rating organizations were looking for – that is, a rating downgrade is almost inevitable). Obama has also conspicuously failed to set his specific proposals on paper. Since the House and Senate have at least set some things on paper (and even passed bills), one can conclude that Obama either wasn’t able to come up with a respectable plan or didn’t want to commit himself to anything so he couldn’t be pinned down. If the later is true, then I think you see Chicago-style politics at work there.

As for the Republicans (which, as a conservative and given the only viable alternative in a two party system, I have little choice but to support), I cannot for the life of me figure out why:

1) some seem so bent on protecting tax loopholes or exemptions that clearly only benefit a few people or some narrow special interest – as if everything the Congress has made law is sage and infallible (when we know full well from experience the opposite is usually true). This is clearly unreasonable and stupidly leaves them open to the charge of being unreasonable.

2) they have not rationally outlined to the public their defense of not raising the upper tax limit. The can be no debate that almost all jobs are created by small businesses. So I agree with the logic that the owners of these businesses should be given reduced tax rates. But a lot of wealthy people are not small business owners and they should not be given the same benefit because they are not creating jobs. There ought to be some way of separating the wheat from the chaff here.

Swami Dave

July 26th, 2011
12:45 pm

Cutting spending in the near term is the solution.

Interestingly, PrezBO’s speech last night served as historical reference to which his (so-called) “balanced” approach would not work. Of the three Presidents (Reagan, HW Bush, & Clinton) who he named that made deficit compromises similar to his (now stated) preference, the tax increases occurred, but spending restraints were never honored. Actually, any revenue increases were consumed by ever-greater spending.

As of yet, the only legislation that has passed any body that addresses the looming debt ceiling was “Cut, Cap, & Balance” which Senate Democrats shelved via procedural move for fear that members of their own caucus might vote in support of it placing the onus and blame squarely on PrezBO if it fails.

Democrats are continuing to try sailing into a headwind against the clear intent of the American taxpayers desperately seeking any port from this storm (and, watching PrezBO’s body language and tired appearance last night, finding none).

-SD

gm

July 26th, 2011
12:47 pm

This week should be about the President of the Untied States: 30 years ago it was about Ronald Reagan saying the same things, the country listened to him, I guess President Obama skin is not like Reagan.
We have to many idiots in this country who dont respect the President of the United States, if the President Obama fails we all fail, we need to push back against these Anti Ameicans tea party hypocrites who dont speak for all America.
Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times and how many times did you hear hypcorite Boener cry about the future and the debt? the world is watching a bunch of double standard bigots destroying our country””’

Scooter

July 26th, 2011
12:49 pm

Face it, the Obama talks about defecit reduction and used to explain away his inaction by citing the deficit reduction committee he put together. Well, that committee came back with their recommendations. The Obama ignored all of them when presenting his latest budget that got zero supporting votes in the democrat controlled senate.

All the white liberals who groomed him for this job should’ve done better.

Logical Dude

July 26th, 2011
12:53 pm

Scooter: committee came back with their recommendations. The Obama ignored all of them

Well it had very unpopular things like. . . cutting spending! and . . . raising taxes!

Because, you see, that’s the only way we’re getting out of this mess.

Scooter

July 26th, 2011
12:57 pm

LD, how many supporting votes did it get in the Senate? How many real spending cuts and entitlement reforms were recommended in the President’s budget?

Present!

Logical Dude

July 26th, 2011
12:57 pm

“Cut, Cap, & Balance”

If this actually did anything to increase revenue, I’d likely be for it. The Balanced Budget Amendment will be dead in the water since it has so many exceptions built inot it.

I’d LIKE to see a balanced budget without the amendment. . . but ALL of the plans so far are “reduce the deficit” instead of “eliminate the deficit”

Logical Dude

July 26th, 2011
1:00 pm

Scooter: How many real spending cuts and entitlement reforms were recommended in the President’s budget?

Exactly! LOL He didn’t want to do the unpopular thing and actually put the recommendations in. Unfortuantely neither does the house nor the senate.

jconservative

July 26th, 2011
1:04 pm

Red July 26th, 2011 11:54 am
“That Rick Perry guy is the same one that said that Texas might secede and that two dudes getting gay married in NY was ‘fine’?”

Yep, same guy.

If the Republicans nominate Perry I will vote for Obama or the Libertarian.

While Pawlenty and Bachmann are fueding, and Cain is backpeddling, and Perry is deciding, Romney is stashing cash.

If it comes down to money the “former Liberal Republican Governor of Massachusetts” is the man.

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2011
1:06 pm

Obama is toast. This week the Wash Times ran an article about how he is losing white voters in droves, even the below 30 crowd that fell for the Hope/Change feel good thing. Today the Wash Post has an article about the minorities plight in this economy and how they are losing their enthusiam for Barry.

Title Max needs a new CEO, so maybe he will not be unemployed for long after Jan 2012. Since, he has more than he needs and feels he should pay more in taxes, which he often boasts, don’t guess
he needs a job anyway.

From Where I Sit

July 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

Anyone that would vote for Obama is a MORON!

Enough Said!

Scooter

July 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

LD, didn’t cut, cap and balance pass the House?

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2011
1:09 pm

gm
You have it wrong buddy, If Obama fails the country has a chance.

Jim Pierce

July 26th, 2011
1:10 pm

To gm: And you do realize that Obozo voted AGAINST raising the debt limit under Bush right? Let me quote Obozo for you: “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
Is Obama possibly a liar? OMG. lol

CJ

July 26th, 2011
1:14 pm

FYI Kyle, John Boehner’s proposal, the one he promoted on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show, won’t pass the House. His own party won’t vote for it.

Of course, the only way to resolve this is for Boehner to work with Harry Reid to develop a plan that can get both Democratic and Republican support in both chambers.

seabeau

July 26th, 2011
1:18 pm

I say let the default occur!! Force a Constitutional Convention! Restrict once and for all the smothering force that is the Federal Government. Eliminate all entitlements!!

Kramer

July 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

Red

July 26th, 2011
11:54 am
That Rick Perry guy is the same one that said that Texas might secede and that two dudes getting gay married in NY was ‘fine’?

2012 will be decided by latinos.

WRONG! It will be decided by the Independents who are leaving Obama in droves.

retiredds

July 26th, 2011
1:20 pm

FYI, the Republican solution is no solution after all:

WASHINGTON — Minutes before House Speaker John Boehner delivered a prime-time address in which he framed his latest deficit-reduction deal as a silver bullet for the nation’s economic uncertainty, reports surfaced that the plan being crafted by the Ohio Republican would potentially lead to a downgrading of the AAA credit rating of the United States.

MiltonMan

July 26th, 2011
1:20 pm

Remember that Obozo is speaking to his base here. The same people who have ran APS into the ground, mismanaged Clayton County schools and now are raising property taxes 30+% in DeKalb. Thank God I do not have the clowns representing my district.

MiltonMan

July 26th, 2011
1:22 pm

retire, please hone up on the latest financial news. Any short-term deal on the debt (note any) will result in a lowering of the US credit rating.

Logical Dude

July 26th, 2011
1:25 pm

MiltonMan: Remember that Obozo

. .. aaaaaaaaand I quit reading.

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2011
1:30 pm

The credit rating is going to drop under any of these plans. The Raters have said they wanted to see 4T dollars in spending cuts. The Dems can’t handle the small amount we are cutting under either of the two plans.

I don’t believe the credit rating agencies were going to swallow some of the Dem cuts anyway, like all the money we are going to save by not starting a war with France.

Kramer

July 26th, 2011
1:32 pm

Rafe, you speak the truth. Obama, he speaks the lies. The man is making Jimmy “Freaking” Carter look good! How hard is that?

Jefferson

July 26th, 2011
1:33 pm

The GOP primaries should be a sight to see, Time for the lady.

USMC

July 26th, 2011
1:41 pm

Obama is in WAY over his head!

Obama will LOSE in 2012, tick, tock, tick, tock…

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2011
1:43 pm

Kramer, the sad part is that the people who were most enthusiatic for the Hope/Change are the hardest hit, according to AJC article today regarding wealth distribution. They bought the change and got left with change.

Intown

July 26th, 2011
1:48 pm

this debt ceilng debate is nothing but a circus being conducted at the public’s expense. Republicans will get the blame for any failure to reach a deal because they are the ones that put the debt ceiling in play so they could take as stand on it. Obama and the Dems will need to use this and the fear of other crazy and unreasonable stuff the Repubs are pushing to get their supporters to the polls. The hope change thing petered out. Republicans need to motivate their supporters to the polls with budget stuff which is why they don’t want to make a long term deal (or any deal really) now.

Fergie

July 26th, 2011
1:51 pm

Why don’t you red necks admit to yourselves that you just don’t want to see this Black President spend money. Any other white president never experienced what this man is going through. The debt ceiling was raised 17 times while that dumb Ronald Reagan was president. 17 f….times.

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2011
1:59 pm

fergie, I guess we are suppossed to sit around while Obama doubles the debt, while we wait for another white guy to come along. Let the country be turned into some third world socialist nirvana, just so we don’t have to ask a black man to do the right thing. I thought he was post racial and biracial anyway.

kayaker 71

July 26th, 2011
1:59 pm

Fergie,

I really don’t want to see any president or our Congress spend more than we have, regardless of their color. “This Black President” would not be in government housing today without the help of a lot of disillusioned white people who bought the BS he was selling. Many of them, as well as a lot of the black community, know that that vote was a big mistake. Bozo doesn’t have a chance in hell of a second term. How about you, Fergie? You going to vote for this clown? Or do I even have to ask?

Karen

July 26th, 2011
2:00 pm

I am an Independent now and wont vote for one Repulican next year or the year after. Their goal, as stated by their leaders, was to help Obama fail, rather than help the American people. My money will be on Obama in 2012. Tea Party idiots will always vote for Repuican, even a dishonest Gonvenor. But idependents are much brighter than that.

Karen

July 26th, 2011
2:02 pm

Kayaker, your a bit of a racist, although you probably dont know that yet.

Scooter

July 26th, 2011
2:03 pm

Logical Dude, didn’t cut, cap and balance pass the House?

There were unpopular things in there, as there were when Repubs tried to reform Social Security. Of course, that was when Harry Reid wouldn’t come to the table if “free” citizens might have an option of private SS accounts.

Dirty Harry

July 26th, 2011
2:03 pm

I enjoyed seeing Boehner take Obama to the woodshed last night in front of the whole world…….funny.

kayaker 71

July 26th, 2011
2:07 pm

“Their goal was to help Obama fail”. Damn, straight, Karen. And it still is. With what this clown is doing to our country, it’s a wonder that your “intelligent independence” doesn’t feel the same way. The Tea Party people are far from idiots. They are running the show. Get used to it Karen. The Tea Party has become the single greatest influence for financial legislation that this country has known in over 100yrs. If you can’t see that their goals are really good for the future of our country, you are certainly part of the problem.

gm

July 26th, 2011
2:10 pm

kayaker 71

Another out of touch idiot tea party retard, when will you people learn you dont speak for all America, latinos, blacks, gays, liberals are going to come out in big no. 2012, do you think they are going to vote for those idiots running against Obama, ha, ha.
The problem with you low class middle class whites, you want to be at the top with the trumps and Palins but you are just a pawn to those people, tea party bigots make up less then 10% of America, the only reason they won big back in Nov because the rep lied and claim they would create jobs, and once again the low middle class whites get jerked.

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2011
2:17 pm

K71

Well, I guess you got educated there by ole gm. Guess we were wrong and Bozo is a gogo for 2012.

kayaker 71

July 26th, 2011
2:21 pm

gm,

Now who is the racist here? You and Karen seem to share the same distinction. The November election was a repudiation of the worst management of this country’s financial structure in recent memory. Unemployment still at over 10% reported, more like 15 or more percent if you count those who just quit looking. New home starts down another 1% today. Foreclosures at an all time high. More debt created in the last two and one half years than from all of the last 43 presidents combined. Our national debt at over 16 trillion, that’s trillion gm, and rising. Our bond rating downgraded twice in the last 6 mos. If you speak for all of the latinos, blacks, gays and liberals, I certainly hope that you have some plan in mind that will bring us out of this debacle that we find ourselves in. “An out of touch idiot tea party retard”……. I was going to call you a f***** idiot but guess I won’t.

Kramer

July 26th, 2011
2:24 pm

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2011
1:43 pm
Kramer, the sad part is that the people who were most enthusiatic for the Hope/Change are the hardest hit, according to AJC article today regarding wealth distribution. They bought the change and got left with change.

They bought into his words instead of looking at his background. The guy has never had to lead a single thing in his life and now he runs the country. His lack of leadership should surprise no one. I would hope that the people who bought into his false convictions and his vison of this country will look hard in 2012.

joe

July 26th, 2011
2:24 pm

If he’s voted out, unemployment will be lowered, cuts will be made to our growing debt and entitlements and Obamacare will be repealed (adding to the lowering of the growing debt). See how many problems will be solved…once he’s voted out…

ATF

July 26th, 2011
2:26 pm

You bet 2012 will be all about Obama. The TeaParty/Republicans don’t have anyone worth talking about. And I will welcome a discussion of the debt, since it was the Republicans who started wars on two fronts and then cut taxes.

If tax cuts produce jobs, where are the jobs?

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2011
2:27 pm

gm and Karen, how do you guys support this man, under whose regime the fortunes of minorities has deteriorated? Minorities have lost their homes at a greater percentage than whites, minorities have a much higher unemployment rate than they did before Obummer. The man has kept few if any of his campaign promises and seems to be focused only on himself and his reelection.