The Obama birth certificate cometh; the madness won’t stoppeth
We finally have the birth certificate — I hope no one has to ask “whose birth certificate?” — long form and all.
So, there you have it.
Do I think this will end the debate? No, because conspiracy theorists generally aren’t persuaded by evidence. This was a ridiculous “debate” in the first place, and I expect it to become simply more ridiculous from here on. In fact, I think this may be good politically for President Obama, because the birthers will seem even crazier now.
As for Donald Trump: The potential presidential candidate is claiming the birth-certificate release as a scalp because he was the one who made a (kind of) mainstream issue of it. I disagree. How does it add luster to a candidate to make an issue of something that turns out to be much ado about nothing?
– By Kyle Wingfield
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get out much?
April 27th, 2011
10:39 am
Just more proof that the most powerful force in the universe is stupid.
DW
April 27th, 2011
10:44 am
SECOND
Finn McCool
April 27th, 2011
10:44 am
Now they want to see his school records…and all his dental charts
DW
April 27th, 2011
10:45 am
trump = total d0uchbag
John K
April 27th, 2011
10:50 am
Maybe some of the GOP leaders (Boehner?) should have called out the birthers, instead of giving non-committal round about answers when asked about the (non) issue.
Jefferson
April 27th, 2011
11:02 am
Everybody funny, now you funny too.
Bart Abel
April 27th, 2011
11:03 am
“How does it add luster to a candidate to make an issue of something that turns out to be much ado about nothing?”
In my opinion, this didn’t turn out to be much ado about nothing. It has been much ado about nothing the entire time.
During the 2008 campaign, Obama had shown his birth certificate, independently verified by multiple sources. The same official version that all persons born in Hawaii receive when they request their birth certificate. The same official birth certificate used to get a driver’s license, register to vote, get a passport,…
Hawaii does not release long-form copies. However, to satisfy the media, Obama hired a personal lawyer to ask the State of Hawaii to make an exception and release a long-form copy . An authority within Hawaii’s Board of Health agreed to the exception.
The story isn’t that Obama obtained and provided a long-form version of his birth certificate. The story is that the media allows politicians, pundits, and personalities to go on the air and lie to their viewers.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate
Kyle Wingfield
April 27th, 2011
11:07 am
Bart: I agree it’s been much ado about nothing the whole time…but the implication by Trump was that the WH wasn’t releasing the long form because it included some embarrassing bit of information on it. That isn’t the case.
Bart Abel
April 27th, 2011
11:09 am
Thanks Kyle.
ByteMe
April 27th, 2011
11:10 am
I think this may be good politically for President Obama, because the birthers will seem even crazier now.
To whom? The ones who believe them will still believe them. The ones who didn’t will still think they’re bat sh!t crazy. Don’t know how any of the sane could think of them as less crazy before this moment.
ByteMe
April 27th, 2011
11:10 am
Oh, look! There’s an empty wine bottle in the birth certificate!
Linda
April 27th, 2011
11:10 am
As I recall, Hillary Clinton was the first birther.
Hillbilly Deluxe
April 27th, 2011
11:13 am
I have an amended birth certificate from the State of Georgia. No, y’all can’t see it.
The only thing this really does, is it will make anybody who runs against the Donald, look like a sane moderate. Of course, I don’t think Trump is actually running anyway. It’s just a massive ego stroke and a bit of self-promotion for whatever his next project really is.
Kyle Wingfield
April 27th, 2011
11:14 am
ByteMe: To the degree that some people associate the birthers with the GOP, it can only damage the GOP — and its presidential candidate — for the birthers to seem even crazier.
I’m not talking about a large effect, just a bit at the margin. In a probable close election next year, the margin will matter.
ByteMe
April 27th, 2011
11:14 am
for whatever his next project really is
“Government Apprentice” coming Fall 2012 on NBC!
ByteMe
April 27th, 2011
11:16 am
To the degree that some people associate the birthers with the GOP
“Some people”? Hedging our bets when discussing the vast majority of people, eh?
Road Scholar
April 27th, 2011
11:23 am
But is he really African American? Male? Tall? Big eared? Phew! I’m glad I got that out of the way!
What is even more intriguing is whether The Donald’s hair is a hazardous waste site?
Kyle Wingfield
April 27th, 2011
11:26 am
ByteMe: Perhaps I should have put it the other way around: associate the GOP with birthers.
I’d like to think most people — the sane people, you called them earlier — don’t think all Republicans are birthers any more than most people think all Democrats are 9/11 truthers.
Jack
April 27th, 2011
11:28 am
I wanted to see it. I’ve seen it. But it took too long.
Kyle Wingfield
April 27th, 2011
11:31 am
And before you ask why I’d make such a comparison…see page 8:
http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf
jconservative
April 27th, 2011
11:33 am
The State of Hawaii certified his birth certificate decades ago. That should have been the end of the story.
He has had US Passports since he was 4 years old. That should have been the end of the story.
The Supreme Court has refused to hear the case 5 times. That should have been the end of the story.
It was not the end of the story because Obama is the first black president.
And that my friends is the end of the story.
Robert
April 27th, 2011
11:34 am
The word “birther” is the new code word for “white racist”
Jefferson
April 27th, 2011
11:37 am
For those who continue on, grow a beard as you probably can’t look yourself in the face to shave.
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Linda
April 27th, 2011
11:40 am
I don’t care what anyone says. I still think he’s Keynesian.
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JF McNamara
April 27th, 2011
11:41 am
Kyle,
You’re buying into the hype. Obama used his power as President to force the state of Hawaii to manufacture a new birth certificate. Then, they took it to the CIA to make sure that it was aged appropriately. Don’t you understand this is why they announced Panetta is going to head defense at essentially the same time. He played ball with the whole conspiracy but demanded to head the DOD in favor. That socialist is creating a New World Order and we need to fight!!!
Don’t you already know this Kyle?
(For those who don’t get it, its a joke post. I’m not a complete idiot.)
John
April 27th, 2011
11:43 am
The argument that it “took too long” for the President of the United States to show his birth certificate is insulting. The fact that people say it took too long implies that the President was hiding something, which we all (hopefully) know is not the case. He didn’t have to show it at all, at no point was his actual legitimacy in danger. Those who question his legitimacy should just be happy he showed it all.
Now you’ll have to find some other form of disguised racism.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
11:45 am
“I wanted to see it. I’ve seen it. But it took too long.”
Jack, sorry, those colored folks don’t produce their papers as fast nowadays since you can’t turn the bloodhounds loose on ‘em.
Friggin’ amazing. On one hand, I’m glad this will push the birthers farther into the crazy corner. On the other hand, it’s incredibly disturbing nearly HALF of Republicans are lacking in basic common sense. Making the president produce paperwork because you’re willing to believe innuendo and pure crap? Stay out of the voting booth, for the sake of your children and this entire country.
kimmer
April 27th, 2011
11:49 am
BO has had this info at his fingertips the whole time. He allowed the nonsense to go on until he felt like he had all he could stuff in the trap then sprung it with a flick of the finger making everyone who fell for this garbage look like a complete radical extremist fool.
Now can we all please focus on using his record against him to deny this guy a second term instead of trying to trip him up on a technicality?
Ragnar Danneskjöld
April 27th, 2011
11:54 am
Good morning all. The “birth certificate” distracts from the serious issues – Obamacare and the “stimulus” mentality. I realize the whole “birther” kerfuffle was intended to apply one of those Alinsky tactics against one of its leading practitioners, but I would rather see the leftists defeated due to the economic illegitimacy of their policies ($5 gasoline) rather than due to some other inherent illegitimacy.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
April 27th, 2011
11:56 am
Dear Aquagirl @ 11:45, good morning, “Making the president produce paperwork because you’re willing to believe innuendo and pure crap?” Can you apply that same logic to the “stimulus” and ObamaCare?
Kyle Wingfield
April 27th, 2011
11:57 am
Aquagirl: I’ll call your attention to page 8 of the Zogby poll I linked in a comment above. Do you find it equally disturbing that, at the time, nearly half of Democrats polled said they thought Bush either consciously let 9/11 happen or actively made it happen?
Or do you think that, as my colleague Jay Bookman has suggested in the past, that the responses to poll questions about Obama’s birth certificate (I would also put the 9/11 truther issue in this category) reflect mere tribal loyalty?
Whacks Eloquent
April 27th, 2011
12:02 pm
Well said, Ragnar.
I also think that perhaps this little slip of paper has been sitting in President Obama’s desk for a while, to pull out at the opportune moment. Why not? He knew, and his advisors knew, there was not a snowball’s chance in hell of being able to turn around the economy quickly, and it might even get worse. This is a PR stunt, and if any kudos are to be given to Trump, it would just be that he sped up the release. But President Obama may have played his “immunity idol” a bit early, he may wish he had it at the next round.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
12:10 pm
Rag, no. No wiggling, no threadjacking, no comment on whatever’s lodged in your craw at this particular moment.
I want to see if one—just ONE—of these people will admit “gee, I was wrong, I let fringe elements whip me into a frenzy over a complete non-issue.” I’m betting not one of them will do it. Because that’s what an adult would do. Realizing you’ve screwed up, acknoledging it, and learning from your mistakes is not a sign of weakness. It’s a sign you’ve surpassed an adolescent in emotional maturity.
So no, I don’t care to drop the topic of the day and jump to whatever you think you need “proof” for. I don’t care what you think about obamacare, or TARP, or your issues with not getting a date to the senior prom. Grownups understand the world does not revolve around them and their current obsession.
If only the birthers had realized that…but they never will.
arlene
April 27th, 2011
12:14 pm
Donald Trump shows his ignorance each time he opens his mouth trying to bring down our president. As a nation, we should be ashamed to ask a president to present his birth certificate. This is pure racism; if Mc Cain had been elected and made some of the same decisions as President Obama, the Republicans would not have blinked an eye. Rather, they would be patting him on the back. Wake up, people: we have a Black president. Get used to it and support him. George Bush left behind a mess that will take many years to alter.
griftdrift
April 27th, 2011
12:24 pm
The birther movement was embraced, both tacitly and openly, by leaders of the GOP. The truther fringers were never embraced by the Dems. Big difference, Kyle. And just one of many.
John
April 27th, 2011
12:30 pm
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, okay. Now the former birthers are gonna say that Obama was just playing politics and waiting for the “opportune” moment to release it.
How does it get so easy to ignore the facts?
Nevermind the fact that Obama had to ask the state of Hawaii for an exception to their law, and to release his birth certificate. Why didn’t he just release his own personal copy, you ask. Well, dead behind the eyes, that’s because had he released his own personal copy, then this board would have been full of people saying “ahh he just printed one up, it’s so easy to photoshop those things.”
He released an official copy that is certified by the state of Hawaii, and this just happens to be the date it was released. It was inevitable that the day he released it, someone was going to say, “typical Obama, he had to release it today.”
End. Of. Story.
Kyle Wingfield
April 27th, 2011
12:39 pm
grift, I don’t count Trump as a “leader” of the GOP, and I’m at a loss for which leaders have “embraced” birtherism, tacitly or openly.
Whacks Eloquent
April 27th, 2011
12:40 pm
John,
I was never a birther. They are stupid, and I never understood the fuss. His mama was American, so is he. No other way around it.
That said, as easy as it was for him to produce it today, quite convenient timing. He could have gotten wheels rolling a lot faster. Why didn’t he? Hmm, well maybe because Hillary was not a threat. Nor was McCain. But now, with him in presidency, and economic disaster threats hanging over his head (not all his fault, but there nonetheless), and the issue is moot now that he is already POTUS, why now? Sorry, but I believe him and his cronies to be politically savvy, and I am merely ASKING (not charging him, I just am suspicious of ALL politicians) if perhaps this is just timed well so as to deflect concerns about rising gas prices or another unpopular war? Maybe he hopes to have solutions to those two problems, and this is just a way to keep the media off his back for a short time.
Larry Major
April 27th, 2011
12:40 pm
Mr. Wingfield, I completely agree with everything you wrote (a situation which hopefully won’t result in any substantial tectonic plate movement).
Tall
April 27th, 2011
12:43 pm
Arlene:
I have to prove citizenship to obtain employment. Why can’t Mr. Obama? Why did it take so long and why the patronizing press conference afterward? This stunt was used to discredit his critics and generate some political gain. No…that’s not racism.
ByteMe
April 27th, 2011
12:45 pm
Kyle: so Newt isn’t a thought leader in the GOP? What about Sarah Palin who wrongly claimed just recently that Obama spent $2 million keeping people from seeing his birth certificate?
Now you’re not at a loss.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
12:45 pm
Kyle, I do think, like with the 9/11 troofers, it’s a tribal thing. I wish there had been a more accurate division between people who really thought Obama knew he was born in Kenya, and people who were just asking why Obama didn’t release his birth certificate to put an end to the whole discussion. Some folks think it’s a matter of openness, and I think those people are a far cry from the true birthers.
I think trying to draw parallels between the 9/11 believers and birthers is a place you DON’T want to go. Because it shows how friggin’ close Republicans are to the edge of the cliff.
First, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not is a pretty straightforward question. It’s not like global warming, or the events of 9/11. It’s a pretty much up-and-down question. There’s no complexity. Trying to decide if President Bush “let” 9/11 happen is not provable by a simple certificate. (For the record, I don’t believe he did, I’m saying that the proof he didn’t would be more complex.) Even before today, Obama had released a certificate authenticated by numerous sources, including Hawaii state officials. You can tell a true conspiracy theorist by their resistance to evidence and proof. Birthers have been doing backflips to get away from the evidence. That’s a clear sign of crazy.
But the clear difference between 9/11 nuts and birther nuts is DEMOCRATS DON’T LET THE CRAZIES DRIVE THE BUS. What leading Democrats endorsed, or tip-toed around the 9/11 nuts? Do you recall Nancy Pelosi saying “well, I’d like to think the President was unaware of 9/11, but there are certain questions by certain people….?” Did she say there were explosives in the WTC? Did any leading Democrat? The only one who comes to mind is Cynthia McKinney. Crazy Democrats of the 4th may have re-elected her, but the House leadership didn’t give her seniority back. She was not re-appointed to her committees, which is pretty much tradition.
No, the Democratic leadership treated McKinney like she deserved to be treated: a babbling, irrational, cop-slapping nutcase.
Now you have MAJOR Republicans who engaged in this silly birther junk. Gingrich calling Obama a “Kenyan.” Sheesh. Can you imagine if 90 or so Georgia General Assembly Democrats had signed a bill demanding proof Bush was not behind 9/11? Birther beliefs are not fringe among elected Republicans.
A large part of America is shockingly illogical and just plain mean-spirited. But the Republicans–with their global warming denialism, creationist junk, and now birtherism, are WAY ahead of progressives, or libs, or Democrats, or whatever you want to call them. They love their nutty thinking and the assumption the other guy is evil and not to be trusted under any circumstances. They embrace their supposed moral superiority, with their blather about family values and anti-abortion rhetoric.
The last time we got into that sort of “I’m good, they’re EVIL” mode, it resulted in the Civil War.
If our political leaders don’t show more wisdom than they did in the 1850’s, it’ll be just as bad. Seriously. This dabbling in birther and denialist crap has infiltrated the highest levels of the Republicans. They need to knock it off, now.
Ramguy
April 27th, 2011
12:48 pm
Kyle I know very few people who believes in the 9/11 conspiracy and they are all right wingers. Nice try at a deflection though.
m
April 27th, 2011
12:49 pm
Obama is the first black president.
Mother is Caucasian, says so on birth certificate. Mulatto.
arlene
April 27th, 2011
12:50 pm
Enter your comments here
Kyle Wingfield
April 27th, 2011
12:51 pm
I see what you did there, ByteMe: Now we’re not talking about “leaders” but “thought leaders” — which I suppose could be expanded to include anyone with a blog who favors Republican politicians.
Newt has not been in elected office for more than a decade. And I seriously doubt that is going to change next year.
As for Palin, I haven’t seen the claim about $2 million. But I do know that, while she’s been inconsistent on this issue (as on others), she did at one point compare birthers to those who think she didn’t give birth to her son, Trig.
Tall
April 27th, 2011
12:53 pm
Aquagirl:
President Obama could have settled this long ago, but didn’t. If he has time to play golf, he has time to produce his birth certificate. Why the patronizing press conference afterward? He is a chump.
Chris Matthews
April 27th, 2011
12:53 pm
How does a cocaine drug addict like Obama get into any college? Did his radical friends pay the bills or us taxpayers? Does his brother still live in a hut? Did they throw his illegal aunt out of the country yet? Everything about Obama invites questions! Most ill-prepared person ever to become President..and it shows!
arlene
April 27th, 2011
12:56 pm
Tall….why wasn’t Obama’s birth certificate an issue when he ran for president the first time? And maybe you looked shady to a would-be employer…maybe that’s why they questioned your birthplace. And finally, Obama’s crirics SHOULD be discredited. Shame on anyone questioning the President for proof of place of birth! They look like s bunch of fools.
JP
April 27th, 2011
12:57 pm
People are asking “what took so long?”
Obama didn’t need to do anything, The crazier the birthers got – the more they were tied to the GOP at large. Why do anything that will prevent your opponents from looking crazy?
So I am not sure why he released it now. Maybe he wanted to finish off Trump, take folks off high gas prices for a few days, who knows. Maybe this creates a divide – you either stop being a birther, or you continue with the illusion. Will be easy to tell now.
But I do agree with some that say a lot of Dems thought Bush was involved in 9/11. That conspiracy theory is really more appaling than the birther stuff.
Bottom line – and I am a Dem saying this – the Rs can beat Obama on the issues. They just don’t need this silly stuff.
Ramguy
April 27th, 2011
12:58 pm
How does a cocaine drug addict like Obama get into any college?
How did an alcoholic like Bush get elected to highest office in the land?
Jefferson
April 27th, 2011
12:59 pm
Kyle, did your daddy buy your 1st car for you?
Michael
April 27th, 2011
1:00 pm
When I’m losing a legal battle I try to knock out the foundations. So if you can’t beat him at the polls then you have to try to knock out his foundations. Maybe he wasn’t registered to vote in 2008? Or maybe he really wasn’t thirty five years old yet? Wait, that certificate just took care of that one. Good luck in 2012 when we coloreds win again.
tar and feathers party
April 27th, 2011
1:04 pm
Just fire J and be rid of him once and for all.
I Know You Are But What Am I
April 27th, 2011
1:04 pm
Thanks to Tall et al. who make Kyle’s case for him.
As long as there are fools, they will continue to babble and dissemble even when the proof has been laid in their laps.
Tall: Guess what? Obama played you like a fiddle. He let your cause overheat and then sucker-punched with the evidence he held in his hand.
I always get a kick out of the guy who’s been made fun of but is too ignorant to realize it.
tar and feathers party
April 27th, 2011
1:05 pm
2012 will be the year of REPUDIATION for obama and the DummyCraps.
Freedom Lover
April 27th, 2011
1:07 pm
Now we can begin the important process of electing Ron Paul as President.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
1:09 pm
Trump adds luster by being in the news. Publicity boosts his TV show ratings.
JP
April 27th, 2011
1:12 pm
I do like how Trump takes credit for getting Obama to show his birth certificate. Even though it was Trump himself who said the thing didn’t even exist. So he was proven 100% wrong and he’s happy about it? That is awesome denial.
joe
April 27th, 2011
1:15 pm
Whether he was born in the US or wasn’t, its a MOO point (as Joey once said)…but we need to focus on BO’s socialist policies that are doing harm to our currency, capitalistic economy and general freedom dwelling way of life. Those coupled with his never ending bailouts (add another 10 Mil for bailing out Morris Brown College) and entitlement spending, are the biggest threat to our country and that is what we need to focus on in order to boot him out of office. Throw in his blatant dissing of everything Christian while bending over backwards to praise everything muslim and that puts it over the top. He is simply the worst president we have ever had and it has zero to do with the color of his skin. Before you looney libs call me a racist, I’m supporting the Herminator, Cain.
I Know You Are But What Am I
April 27th, 2011
1:15 pm
…and the next thing you’ll know, NO ONE from the right will ever take ownership of the fact that they were a “birther”. It’s already apparent on a right wing blog that the faux-conservatives have not admitted their crackpipe moment.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
1:17 pm
Why didn’t one of our journalists get Obama to produce his birth certificate? What has happened to indepth hard journalism?
A TV game show host, real estate developer accomplished what the media couldn’t!
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
1:19 pm
JP
April 27th, 2011
1:12 pm
According to what I just read, it may be wrong, Obama asked for one to be made and Hawaii made an exception and made one.
Swede Atlanta
April 27th, 2011
1:19 pm
Tall
I had to prove my citizenship when I recently changed jobs.
They would accept either my passport or my short-form birth certificate. Obama released his short-form birth certificate long ago so he satisfied the requirement an employer makes to determine citizenship.
E-nuf said.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
1:23 pm
“A TV game show host, real estate developer accomplished what the media couldn’t!”
In some parts of the media, making yourself look like a total @$$ is not considered an accomplishment. YMMV.
Fix-It
April 27th, 2011
1:29 pm
Funny how the lefties just don’t get it, during the vetting process of an American candidate for president, several things must be produced by ALL candidates. Hey lefties can you name the ONLY candidate that did NOT produce all the required documentation? I bet you lefties would have cried foul is McCain had not produced his birth certificate, and his school records, as required.
Jefferson
April 27th, 2011
1:33 pm
An American should not have to prove he is an American in America, only in a foreign land. It should be the other way, prove he’s not an American. You traitors don’t deserve the freedoms provided to you.
ByteMe
April 27th, 2011
1:36 pm
I see what you did there, ByteMe: Now we’re not talking about “leaders” but “thought leaders” — which I suppose could be expanded to include anyone with a blog who favors Republican politicians
Palin said it on Fox, so you wouldn’t have read it. Gingrich is claiming he’s going to run for President, so he’s most definitely in the “leader” category.
So ok, Kyle, we’ll play your game for a moment. Is Boehner a leader? Is Cantor? Both have used the coded phrase “I take Obama at his word that he’s an American.” Does that ring a bell? Does that sound like “His mother was an American, so he’s an American, case closed” or does that sound like a way to have it both ways and keep the controversy going without having to take a stand for sanity? Who exactly led on this? Michele Bachmann. After 2 years and when finally pushed. She broke with the crowd. Sad when the crazy lady is the first to bail on the conspiracy.
Bob Jones
April 27th, 2011
1:37 pm
Not that it matters but someone should delve into a little history and find out if both parents must be citizens in order for a child to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. A good place to start would be the 1790 Congressional record. I would suggest though that we should be paying more attention to the May 15 arab invasion of Israel. By the way, Israel turns 63 that day.
Sister Sarah
April 27th, 2011
1:43 pm
Well Tall.
The fact that NONE of the 43 White Presidents before him were never required to produce their birth certificates I think briskly fans the stench of racism around this issue.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
1:48 pm
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
1:23 pm
Since when!
It used to be a journalist and the research staff was a hard nosed truth seeking bulldog that asked the hard questions and demanded answers. When answers were not forthcoming they dug and dug until they uncovered the hidden.
Media economics causing shrinking budgets have replaced the journalist with a few talking heads in studio or on scene relying on google for information.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
1:50 pm
Fix-it, which part of the Constitution requires candidates to submit any type of “things?” If it’s good enough for the State of Hawaii, which is responsible for proof of birth, then that’s not good enough?
You seem to have confused WorldNutDaily with the Constitution. Nobody is responsible for that, except you.
Like the Emperor parading down the street, with tiny scepter on display for all the world to see, you embarrassed birthers are fooling no one but yourselves. Cling to your imaginary shreds of dignity if it makes you feel better. But like I said, for the sake of your children and the entire country, stay the h3ll away from the voting booth. And while you’d never admit that out loud, much less on a blog, you know it’s true. Angry, fearful people are great targets for manipulation. At least cut the damn strings.
joe
April 27th, 2011
1:50 pm
For the record, the race card was played today at 1:43 pm…way to go Sarah!!
Tall
April 27th, 2011
1:52 pm
Arlene, I know you are…., Aqua Girl, Swede in Atlanta….
President Obama made this an issue for political gain. Why is the POTUS wasting time on this? For him to try to turn this into political gain says something about him, and it’s not positive. If the Clinton machine couldn’t disprove his American citizenship, then there is no need to believe otherwise.
President Obama got to where he is because he thinks you’re stupid. He learned his lessons from Saul Alinsky well. If you believe he sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for twenty years and heard nothing, then read his books.
JP
April 27th, 2011
1:57 pm
Wow – Obama using the birther’s craziness for political gain? Unbelievable! A poltician looking for leverage! Maybe he should apologize to the GOP and the country for not producing the birth certificate in the first place…. of course, it’s Obama’s fault…
Gman
April 27th, 2011
1:57 pm
The term “race card” was created in an attempt to trivialize the elephant in the room that every person in America knows exists. That’s why the term is used when someone points out the elephant but others wish to ignore it.
John
April 27th, 2011
1:59 pm
For once, I agree with you Kyle…the madness won’t stop. While taking credit for forcing it’s release, Donald Trump says he won’t believe it until he examines it and verifies it’s authenticity. This is the same man who recently said he hired an investigative team who proved Obama was not born in the US. Wonder if he had a money back guarantee. This is also the same man who basically claimed he’s financially worth whatever he says he’s worth. Of course, this is the same man who is polling number 1 among the list of possible GOP presidential hopefuls.
redneckbluedog
April 27th, 2011
2:00 pm
Why are you squidbillies so incorrigible…? The Democrats want to lower the deficit using spending cuts and reasonable tax increases, preserve Medicare and Social Security, increase domestic production of renewables, and lower the cost of health care for everyone….Why would anyone get angry, crazy, violent, vulgar, and nasty about that..? Unless you are racist, ignorant, or very wealthy and don’t want to pay more taxes….The President provided proof of his citizenship a very long time ago, it’s just that you “loss for words” didn’t choose to believe it….Maybe stay home next year on election day…?!?…
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
2:11 pm
Tech Man, I don’t think it’s the shrinking budgets so much as the 24/7 news and the “let the viewer decide” approach, all combined with the University of Google syndrome. People really think they can do a couple of internet searches and suddenly, they know it all. And if some “so-called expert” disagrees, well, they’re part of the conspiracy.
Sad. When politicians pander to this crap, we’re pretty much done.
joe
April 27th, 2011
2:12 pm
LOL…the Dems don’t want to “lower the deficit” at all. Otherwise, they would cut spending. They have zero desire to do so…they just want to raise the debt limit to tack on another trillion to our existing debt and spend us into oblivion. In order to serious about lowering the deficit, you cannot have ObamaCare in the same sentence. Fiscally, it will not work, it is not possible. Why Dems don’t get more upset at the thought of us going into bankruptcy blows my mind. If that happens, you won’t be able to get healthcare, or gasoline, or groceries cause our currency will be worthless. Wake up you big dummies!! We all pay enough taxes already, we need to cut 25% across the board just to survive and preserve our way of life. The only one who has said anything to date who realizes this is Ron Paul. I laughed at him 4 years ago, but would support him based solely on his support of cutting everything possible, including our military, foreign aid, etc.
buzzn
April 27th, 2011
2:12 pm
Jack, Tall you’ve both failed the idiot litmus test.
The proof's in the hair
April 27th, 2011
2:14 pm
I want proof that The Donalds hair is really his. I demand it, even.
Give me a BREAK
April 27th, 2011
2:22 pm
Most sane folks understood the President did not have anything to ‘prove’. My favorite part of today’s statement is when Obama referred to Trump (and his ilk) as a “side show and carnival barkers”.
Pinche Huevos
April 27th, 2011
2:25 pm
CARNIVAL BARKERS>>>>LOL
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
2:28 pm
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
2:11 pm
I disagree on shrinking budgets. That is why news groups try to work out co-op with CNN etc.
I agree on 24/7 news/opinion pushing ridiculous stories to fill time.
That being said it’s a shame Obama is forced to react to Trump rather than the news media.
That is akin to the Mayor of Atlanta having to respond to NeNe and Sharie rather than AJC.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
2:31 pm
Give me a BREAK
April 27th, 2011
2:22 pm
Yep, here is the President forced to cave to Trump rather than the news media. I think it shows how little below the surface reporting and fact finding is going on in our national media. So many sources, so many articles, so little depth.
carlosgvv
April 27th, 2011
2:38 pm
The emergence of the birthers shows America has reached a new level of dumbing down. So, look for this kind of conspiracy theory thinking to continue thru the next election and on into the foreseeable future.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
2:40 pm
joe@2:12, You don’t get it. Can’t you see that it’s intentional? Obama knows exactly what he is doing. The progressives are in step with him, whereas some of the Democrats are in denial.
Cut 25%? We need to cut 40% just to break even & that leaves the debt.
DebbieDoRight
April 27th, 2011
2:48 pm
How does a cocaine drug addict like
ObamaBUSH get into any collegeThere!! Fixed it for ya!
JoeFann
April 27th, 2011
3:00 pm
So NOW we finally see what the Prez was hiding all along! He’s the son of Barack and Stanley. Certainly that explains his cuddly relationship with the GLBT superminority. And his refusal to defend DOMA. LOL! Here we go……….
hsn
April 27th, 2011
3:06 pm
Kyle,
The GOP leaders who tacitily or openly latched on to this issue include Bachmann, Steve King, Palin, Rep. Jean Schmidt, John Campbell, at al. Watch the rest of them here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEf4Xc2lFI
Please don’t try to DENY that the GOP leaders did not latch on to this issue. THEY EMBRACED IT !
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:11 pm
hsn
April 27th, 2011
3:06 pm
Please don’t deny that Obama played it for all it was worth.
Deja Vu -not
April 27th, 2011
3:12 pm
One has to wonder –if it was this easy to produce it why wait and create the controversy in the first place? Can we now expect his college transcripts to be released?
gm
April 27th, 2011
3:14 pm
Chris Matthews
Anohter jealous idiot would you be saying this if Obama played football or Basketball? we have got to get rid of hicks out there like yourself. George W destroyed America and no quesions were asked, you people are a disgrace to Americans everywhere.
Al Sharpton
April 27th, 2011
3:16 pm
@ Sister Sarah -so you have some inside knowledge that NONE of the presidents had to produce their birth certificate? Or is it that none of them had any problem showing it to anyone who asked except for this moron?
hsn
April 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
Hey TechMan,
Obama showed the official doc that EVERY CITIZEN of Hawaii gets to apply for a US passport, get a job, etc. THIS WAS CERTIFIED BY THE STATE, yet the birthers wanted him to show something different than ANY OTHER CITIZEN OF Hawaii. They DID NOT WANT TO BELIEVE it because he was “different.” But you can’t say it, because that will mean you are “playing the race card.” So, how was Obama playing it all along? What else did you need, a placenta?
Nonesense!
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
gm
April 27th, 2011
3:14 pm
Obama did play basketball…
Genghis Khan
April 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
@ gm LOL George W destroyed America ? By himself LOL ? Here’s a clue from Civics 101 only Congress can propose and submit legislation. Only Congress can submit and approve spending. A prez can only approve or veto the legislation. And oh BTW the Democrats had control of Congress from 2007 -2011 you know when the economy and housing fell apart.
Fletch
April 27th, 2011
3:21 pm
Tech Man – “Please don’t deny that Obama played it for all it was worth.”
Ignoring it altogether until deciding to release the document to shut the morons up is playing it for all it’s worth?
griftdrift
April 27th, 2011
3:23 pm
How about Bobby Jindal, Kyle?
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:24 pm
Fletch
April 27th, 2011
3:21 pm
Ignoring responding while it was a positive for him before Trump started bashing, yes!
the red herring
April 27th, 2011
3:26 pm
all candidates for that high of an office should be required to show proof they meet the qualifications. that would include those who are in line to succeed the president should something happen to him.
while not a “birther”, I do believe he should have cleared the air sooner. I don’t think the majority of birthers are racists—many people simply became more skeptical the longer obama continued to skirt the issue. he wanted the office and in order to run for it then he should have been willing to show his credentials. try applying for a neurosurgeon job at a hospital and see if they ask to see your qualifications. same thing.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:27 pm
hsn
April 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
I didn’t need anything. Obama didn’t respond because the 24/7 talk of “birthers” was a positive for him. Once Trump started bashing he was forced to react.
Rafe Hollister
April 27th, 2011
3:29 pm
Kyle, you are correct, this evidence will not end the quest to determine who Barry really is. I think it is a character question. When you are as thin skinned, secretative, does not come off as genuine, and have been known to “stretch the truth”
(being polite), you wind up being questioned a great deal.
The more he bristles and acts indignate the worse it gets. If he were in middle school today, you would expect some bully to be constantly harrassing him. It is sad considering he is the President, but you have to admit it is fun to watch.
snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:35 pm
How much of what Hannity and Limbaugh and Bortz, and all of the rest of the mouthpieces for the right, use to beat Obama with fall into the same category of total BS like the birther issue? Death panels, govt take-over of the auto industry, radical socialist bent on destroying America, radical Muslim agenda, America hater, govt takeover of the healthcare industry, etc., ad nauseum. Flip over to Hannity for 5 minutes (if you can stand it) on any given day and you will hear the same slanderous inuendo nonstop.So this is what the free speech millions have died to protect has come to. There is no longer (if there ever was) any objective truth. It is whatever the think tanks and front groups and their pushers in the media say it is. Science is suspect, but trash-mouthed, mean-spirited, conspiritorial fools like Ann Coulter, or Glen Beck have all the answers.
kitty
April 27th, 2011
3:39 pm
It was a brilliant move to release it. Further looniness will make Trump and any GOPEr who associates themselves with the birthers as well as the GOP itself look like absolute nutcases. Way to go, Obama. The looniness continues.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:41 pm
snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:35 pm
Yep, same goes with the truther’s!
snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
“Yep, same goes with the truther’s!”
Tech man you make me ashamed to be a fan. That is a false equivalency at its worst. Show me where media pundents and Democratic leaders made the 911 conspiracy an issue anywhere near this magnitude. I couldn’t name one person other than McKinney who even held this view. You certainly didn’t see the conspiritorial inuendo trumpeted all over the media for years and fanned by leaders of the opposition. So yes, your statement is also total BS.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:52 pm
Snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
Van Jones?!
Furious Styles
April 27th, 2011
3:55 pm
Trump wants all the credit, I say let him have his limelight. As long as the news outlets continue to be willing to beam his likeness to willing audiences that will hear him, I say let the show go on.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:55 pm
Snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
Why should Ms. McKinney be given a pass?
independent thinker
April 27th, 2011
3:56 pm
Kyle- you ignore the fact that Trump is another fringe candidate that has been embraced overwhelmingly by Republicans in the past few weeks due to his idiotic comments. Today we get more from the other queen of the Republican intelligentsia- Sarah Palin claiming the birther issue was contrived by the media. Last night on Greta she condemned Obama for putting American troops under NATO control. I bet she has no clue what NATO stands for or what its treaty has stood for over the last sixty years or why by treaty it took control of US skies after 9-11.. Even Karl Rove has gotten tired of the looney right wing candidates.
Any party that could seriously consider Palin, Gingrich, Trump and Bachman to name a few has got to start wondering what image it is portraying. Barnum and Bailey???????
Get Real
April 27th, 2011
4:01 pm
Kyle, you really think that the birthers will look crazier than ever now? Do you think that’s possible? I don’t see how it’s going to be any different. The birther leaders will still be out there with all their supporters, maybe even more. If anything they’ll just move into a more mainstream pack of lies. You can read some right here, like that he injtentionally withheld information, that he’s a cocaine addict, etc. What difference does it make?
luangtom
April 27th, 2011
4:01 pm
Ya gotta love how it took so long for Obama to produce it or to agree to produce it. It should have been done the moment it was requested. Why the short-form first and not the hard-copy long-form? What is the ploy behind dragging it out until we got to this point? I am happy it was produced and now maybe we can get answers to other questions….where’s the change he promised? Where are the jobs he promised? This took the heat off him for those matters, now Libya and the rest will take it off for the rest….Yes, it will never end.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
4:02 pm
Snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
Why the uncivil tone?
wampum
April 27th, 2011
4:05 pm
Obama is either an inept, naive fool in over his head or an evil genius laying traps for the Right to stumble into. LMAO
wampum
April 27th, 2011
4:13 pm
Luangtom, where is the focus on jobs the new Republican house said was going to be their first priority? Can you name one thing they have done to improve unemployment? Or could it be they want the economy to remain stagnant until the 2012 election?
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
4:20 pm
Snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
Meanwhile, the Times has yet to bring up a 2006 poll showing more than half of Democrats believed Bush was complicit in the 9-11 attacks.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2011/04/26/birthers-vs-truthers-new-york-timess-double-standard-conspiracy-theorie#ixzz1Kkz3m7zG
Linda
April 27th, 2011
4:27 pm
Not one single person on the blog has even mentioned what the issue is. None of the lefties know what they are talking about. Obama’s citizenship is NOT the issue. Let me explain it to you, using an example.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, former governor of California, is obviously a citizen of the United States. He could be a US Senator, but he could NEVER be President of the US.
According to the US Constitution, the president, in addition to being a citizen, must be a natural-born citizen. That refers to the time of his birth.
The Constitution is vague so we look to the US Code for clarification.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Had Obama NOT been born in the US, he still could have qualified to be President, if he met the requirements.
Everyone has their own agenda in deciding who to vote for. Making certain that a man or woman meets the minimum requirements as required by the Constitution should be important to every voter. It should have been equally important to Obama to be forthcoming & “transparent, as he promised.
luangtom
April 27th, 2011
4:28 pm
wampum, the Republicans are sitting on their hands waiting. It appears both sides are doing next to nothing waiting for the 2012 elections. I have no trust in either side to do what is needed to alleviate debt or stimulate jobs. The sides are waiting for the others to make the errors and then pounce on that, not doing a thing to correct what is wrong…..sad.
Furious Styles
April 27th, 2011
4:31 pm
@luangtom Do you have your long form?? You don’t do you? Most people in this country when they use/request their birth certificate, they get the short form. Why would he HAVE to furnish it to please you when the short form is LEGAL and serves the same purpose.
Why on Earth would anyone request their long form and wait 15 weeks or more to receive it makes no sense when the short version is legal and serves the same purpose? If you needed a Passport within 30 days and didn’t have your birth certificate, you’d request the short form not the long. Makes sense doesn’t it.
All of the sudden everyone is an expert at the Dept of Health on how birth records are kept and released.
yuzeyurbrane
April 27th, 2011
4:33 pm
Kyle, better late than never. I wish you would have spoken up so unequivocally earlier. Maybe there is room for a third party, simply called the Sane Party from which all the nuts would be excluded. We might actually be able to reach reasonable compromises.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
4:38 pm
Furious Styles
April 27th, 2011
4:31 pm
I have mine and I have them for my children. What is the big deal?
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
4:39 pm
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:55 pm
“Why should Ms. McKinney be given a pass?”
She wasn’t. That’s why she’s off at Berkley and cuddling with Palestinians.
Your birther buds, however, have been running for VP and chairing congressional caucuses. If you can find 90 legislators in any state who signed onto a 9/11 truther bill, let’s see ‘em. Otherwise, go back to diddling your calculus in mom’s basement.
the watch dog
April 27th, 2011
4:39 pm
He could have come up with it years aga, why now.
hsn
April 27th, 2011
4:41 pm
Linda –
Neither one of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s parents were US citizens. Obama’s MOTHER was a US citizen. Big difference !!
AND YES, OBAMA WAS TRANSPARENT. He posted the OFFICIAL birth record that the state of HAWAII provides to EVERY Hawaiian CITIZEN for court proceedings, application of passport, and jobs.
The question was WHY WAS THE VERACITY of the document certified by THE STATE being questioned in the case of Obama, but NOT for EVERY SINGLE HAWAIIN who produced the same doc issued by the SAME STATE ???
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
4:46 pm
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
4:39 pm
Finding Ms. McKinney is enough as is the poll from the NYT showing more than 50% of Democrats believed Bush was complicit in the 9-11 attacks.
As an almost retired senior I wish my mother was still here.
Why the smartypants remarks. I thought the new elitist liberal mantra was civility?
Sister Sarah
April 27th, 2011
4:57 pm
“Brotha” Al Sharrpton.
I take it YOU have the “inside knowledge” that the previous 43 did???? What I CAN tell you is that in my 45 YEARS on this earth, I have NEVER witnessed such discussion or request (which now covers oh say…8 Presidents) until NOW!! The truth is d@mn painful I know. Just breathe deeply.
Freedom Lover
April 27th, 2011
4:59 pm
No president is ever held up to their oath to the constitution – either during or after their presidency. The whole thing is a game to make the citizens believe that their votes count and that the citizens are actually responsible for deciding who the next president will be.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
5:05 pm
Tech Man, you having a problem finding those ELECTED 9/11 troofers? Mumbling to a pollster is one thing. Voting for someone who holds those views is quite another. Blatting them while in office is a whole new level. And introducing LEGISLATION over it a million miles from answering a pollster’s vague question.
Smartypants remarks are completely in order for egotistical partisans who spout nonsense. I’m not PC. When someone says dumb $#!^, it’s not my job to soothe their feelings.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
5:15 pm
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
5:05 pm
Was Ms. McKinney an elected official? And you calling 50% of your fellow democrats mumbling is on you. I hold the public at higher esteem than apparently do. I don’ support birthers or truthers. I am pointing out that strange opinions are not exclusive to one side or another.
I don’t remember voting for the people you mentioned. I didn’t see them on my ballot.
And no smartypants is never appropriate even though you try to rationalize your behavior.
No More Birthers
April 27th, 2011
5:19 pm
Way to build that straw man Kyle – Democrats are 9/11 Truthers.
No, the 9/11 truthers are more of the same rightwing nutcase republicans – or more correctly – typical GOP clowns! Knowing that The Moron was completely incompetent is not the same, it common knowledge.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
5:40 pm
“And no smartypants is never appropriate even though you try to rationalize your behavior.”
….sez the guy who doesn’t understand why that black dude didn’t drop everything and show OTHER papers quick enough for his tastes.
I think a little smarty-pantsism is a mild response to such nasty, bigoted behavior. Obama long ago released a document that is “prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” Both the Governor of Hawaii and the State Registrar backed it up. Unbiased third parties were allowed to examine it. It was on the internet for the entire world to see.
Nutters continued their crap behavior, with absolutely NO evidence that Obama was born elsewhere.
Boo-hoo on someone else’s sleeve about the decline of civility. Your moral high horse looks an awful lot like an @$$.
gm
April 27th, 2011
5:43 pm
terriost vs birthers and Donald Trump
One stand for something and the others are a disgrace to Americans, I wonder if we ever got attacked again why should muslim Americans other minorties help these sick bigots of hicks in our country?, just a thought.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
5:48 pm
hsn@4:41, Can you read? I’m the one who used Arnold as an example to show the difference.
You are one of the lefties today who did not distinguish the difference between being merely a citizen & a naturalized citizen. You did not even know what the issue was.
If Obama was so transparent, why did he not come forward for 3 yrs. with this document? (I know the answer to my question.)
I don’t know why his short form that is used for “court proceedings, application of passports & jobs” was not adequate for the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES & LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.
I was never a birther & refused to even debate the issue. I bet Hillary Clinton is laughing her head off right now. She started this rumor & I assumed if there was anything to it, that she & Bill would have gotten to the bottom of it 3 yrs. ago.
Martin Williams
April 27th, 2011
5:51 pm
Congratulation Mr. President Obama for re-election in 2012. All you birthers get used to it. Obama will be our president till January, 2017 and another sober person will take over and NOT a GOP idiot.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
5:57 pm
One of the most famous 9/11 truthers was Van Jones, Obama’s green czar & Communist. He originally denied it but finally apologized & said he was reformed. Mike Berger, a 911Truth.org spokesman said board members “spoke with each person on the list by phone or through email to individually confirm they had added their name to that list.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/sep/03/green-jobs-czar-signed-truther-statement-in-2004/
do-dah do-dah
April 27th, 2011
6:11 pm
The Republicans should be so proud of their contribution to the body politic. Perhaps Trump and the tea partiers should find something useful to do with themselves now. Of course you will never accept the President as juat an American- because he is not like you right? God help us all.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
April 27th, 2011
6:12 pm
At least Dan Blather put some effort into forging his fake documents.
obozo sure didn’t.
This klown can’t even fabricate a fraud he’s so hapless.
do-dah do-dah
April 27th, 2011
6:17 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
Were you born a racist or just grow into it?
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
6:17 pm
Oh, look, ‘lil Linda is on a birther hunt.
Van Jones didn’t say he was “reformed” hon. He said “If I have offended anyone with statements I made in the past, I apologize. As for the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever.”
Of course, you’ll take the word of the attention ‘hoes at 911Truth.org. If they’re so trustworthy, why aren’t you signing their petition? Jump on board with the honest, truthful patriots!
Please, pack up your stuff along with all the other bigots who don’t think the black guy showed the bigot-preferred papers fast enough. Join the fruitcakes over at WhirledNutDaily, who are already questioning this birth certificate, and saying even if it’s true, Obama is STILL not a natural born citizen.
THAT’S why you don’t play with conspiracy nuts, Linda. No proof is ever enough. Anything you say or do will just pour fuel on their flaming little pin heads. Do you think anyone can reason Jihad Cindy McKinney out of her viewpoint Bush was involved in planning 9/11? No.
Crazy people should be left locked up in the loony bin. Period.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
6:44 pm
I never said he had to produce his birth certificate.
Not only a name calling potty mouth you make up your arguments to fit your pat answers.
je
April 27th, 2011
6:51 pm
To quote John Boehner when asked about the “birthers”… “It’s not my job to tell the American people what to think.” On what other issue has John Boehner EVER not thought it was his job to tell Americans what to think? He tell’s us what to think virtually every day! So is John Boehner not part of the Republican establishment, Kyle? The Republican mainstream embraced this birther movement lock, stock, and barrel.
Michael H. Smith
April 27th, 2011
6:53 pm
You’ve got to give credit where you’d rather not sometimes. In case it slipped by anyone’s attetion as it was hoped that it would, the Fed Chief spoke about inflation today.
Old Ben is wearing rose-colored glasses and obumer is wearing blinders.
Thanks for the
inflation“hidden tax” increase on the POOR and MIDDLE CLASS.hsn
April 27th, 2011
6:55 pm
Linda -
You are all over the place, aren’t you? I will make it simple, and your sarcasm doesen’t change one thing. You are a “birther”.
Now that you and your loony right buddies have egg all over your faces, you are spinning your story differently.
Please, move on!
TRUTH
April 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
JEEEZZZZ….I almost widh he hdn’t shown the long form or whatever the heck it was to prove he was already American. I rather enjoyed watching the psychos and their new “King”, Donald “The Black”….
Run, Donald, Run!!!
One can wish, right??
Bill
April 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
Kyle: I don’t think all Republicans are redneck, white trash birthers, only about 50%–you know, about the percentage of Reps who say they doubt Obama’s citizenship in polls.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
7:07 pm
TRUTH
April 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
We both know Trump is running all the way to the bank. He couldn’t pay enough for this publicity.
He is prospering from the Bill Veeck spell my name right form of marketing.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
7:08 pm
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
2:28 pm
I agree on 24/7 news/opinion pushing ridiculous stories to fill time.
That being said it’s a shame Obama is forced to react to Trump rather than the news media.
That is akin to the Mayor of Atlanta having to respond to NeNe and Sharie rather than AJC.
————
Tech man, grow some. I understand the Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of Back-Pedaling today. But don’t pull a Palin. Don’t mutter and posit your coy little “isn’t it strange he won’t show the long form?” snipes for years, and then claim you’re not involved, of course you knew all along it wasn’t an issue, and why is Obama trying to distract us from the important stuff anyway?
If you thought Obama needed to show further proof, and someone should have been investigating, own up to your birtherism. Be proud.
BTW, I go potty mouth on people who say “Some of my best friends are black, BUT….” Likewise for guys like you who say “I’m not a birther, BUT….”
Contemptible weak-kneed people shouldn’t expect floral speeches. Deal with it.
Bill
April 27th, 2011
7:08 pm
Linda, Obama didn’t come forward sooner because no other candidate in history that I’m aware of in the U.S. ever had to produce a birth certificate. And, given that there wasn’t a shred of evidence that he was not born in the U.S. The WH knows this is all racially driven. Let the crazy right-wingers rant a few years then look incredibly stupid.
Vann Jones got booted too didn’t he?
From the 911Truther idiots I’ve seen in documentaries, etc., I haven’t seen any liberals, but rather crank libertarian types. Of course, C. McKinney was a crazy member.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
7:20 pm
Aquagirl@6:17, Apparently you did not read what I wrote. Hillary Clinton started the birther rumor. I was never a birther, assuming if there was anything to it, that Hillary & Bill would have gotten to the bottom of it. I bet they are laughing their heads off today.
I don’t know if it was Trump or the polls that finally forced Obama to prove himself today. According to a recent USA Today poll, only 38% of Americans believed that Obama was definitely born in the US. By Obama not being transparent, as he promised for 3 yrs., he let this rumor fester & boil. The other 62% of Americans MUST have included tons of Democrats & Independents who voted for Obama.
As for Van Jones, your interpretation of his apology was different from mine.
I didn’t sign the 9/11 petition because I disagreed with it, but I have no reason to question the 9/11 org.’s responsibility, ability or methods to authenticate their petition. I do question Van Jones’ denial of his signing a 2004 petition 5 years later in 2009.
I will say the same thing to you that I have said to numerous liberals, whose strategy is to slander conservatives. I am not, nor will not be intimidated by your & your kind. As a matter of fact, you & yours embolden the right & the conservatives. Just keep it up. We know your tactics & if you were really as smart as you think you are, you would realize that they did not work in 2010, are not working in 2011 & will not work in 2012.
Evidently, you & Sarah Palin agree that fighting “like a girl” is a winning strategy. I prefer to fight like a lady. I hope that you will eventually acquire a little decency, understand the difference between girls/women & ladies & clean up your mouth.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
7:24 pm
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
7:08 pm
That is not saying that I demand he produce his birth certificate.
Again’ Ms. Pottymouth you twist to fit your preconceived rants.
Try again.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
7:31 pm
“isn’t it strange he won’t show the long form?”
Please show us where I used their words.
Again more pottymouthed blathering.
Rafe Hollister
April 27th, 2011
7:41 pm
For something they said they considered settled long ago, the lefties sure seemed relieved and overjoyed that they were right. Was there a question in their subconscious?
Donald the Big Mouth Buffoon
April 27th, 2011
7:45 pm
When did this country certify Barack Hussein Obama the II of Jr. as president???? See I proved the Barack Hussein Obam was born in Kenya.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
7:46 pm
hsn@6:55, If I am a birther, then you are a girther. Do you spend your time around horses & donkeys?
Hillary & Bill are laughing their heads off tonight.
Do you really think Obama was so intimidated by Trump & the birthers, whoever they are, that he produced his papers today, after 3 yrs. of requests?
He finally requested & produced them because only 38% of the American people believed he was born in the US, according a recent poll in USA Today. Are the other 62% “loony right buddies” that have “egg all over” their “faces?”
captguitarman
April 27th, 2011
7:59 pm
Well, the President’s release of his long form birth certificate today has resulted in some pretty lively conversation — with the BS and “opinions presented as facts” pretty high on both sides. Just for the record, I consider myself a moderate “mainstrean Republican” (a centrist Pub leaning right – where many experts say the majority of Americans are now hanging out politically these days — with libs and looney libs at about 20% of the electorate — but they control he media and they are very vocal and clearly enlightened and smarter than every one else – just ask them, they’ll tell you), and neither I, nor numerous other Pubs I know ever bought into the Birther nonsense. Obviously, some poor misguided Pub souls did. Trump, a very smart guy, used it to get attention and to promote himself (an art that he has more than perfected). And, who knows if he ever really believed it at all? There’s a good possibility he is laughing up his sleeve right now, because the strategy obviously worked, and now he takes the credit for forcing the big revelation. His name has only been mentioned (good, bad, or ugly) about a thousand times in these posts. If he actually does believe it – a possibility – then he is clearly not as smart as I thought. Boehner is the big disapointment to me. Cantor came right out when asked point blank, and said it was nonsense, and Boehner punted — Of course, he tells people what to think every day, that’s a big part of his job — again, a big disappointment. I hated this stupid Birther nonsense primarily because it gave the Dems and libs a plausible rationale to play the race card — the card they live to play anyway, and especially when their intellectual arguments aren’t working or winning in the market place of ideas. And how they love to play it (these posts are chock full of it), blissfully ingoring the fact that without almost 50% of the white vote, Obama never would have been elected President in the first place. Yes, “racist” the magic word that ends every reasoned, logical, and intellectual argument you may be in the midst of losing a the moment. “Well, uh, uumm, I mean, well, uhh, gosh, uhh, ummm . . . well, that just proves your a racist.” End of discussion. No doubt there were those Birthers who had racist motivations and attitudes. No reasonable person would deny that fact. But, I think the “facts” as stated by all of these arm chair political experts and pundits in these posts, that the Birthers just took over the party leadership and over ran the entire Republican party, so the Pubs are all crazy and should not vote in the next election, etc. (wishful thinking by the 20% noted above) might be just a “slight” exaggeration. I saw that some Fox News hating Dem/lib “expert” on a post for Wingfield’s, or maybe Bookman’s column, who clearly never watches Fox News, demanded an apology from the network over the Birther issue. Obviously, he did not know that O’Reilly (and Fox News as an organization) has been saying for months that Obama was born in Hawaii and the Birther issue was nonsense. Facts can just be so inconvenient.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
8:24 pm
Bill@7:08, “…no other candidate is history…in the US ever had to produce a birth certificate” might or might not be accurate. Why not DEMAND proof of credentials for all offices?
I’ve always submitted a copy of my resume for jobs to clients, without being asked. Even though Obama’s resume was deficient, I would have thought he would have gladly submitted his basic qualifications for the presidency of the US 3 yrs. ago.
Since the recent polls (USA Today) indicate that only 38% of Americans believe that Obama was born in the US, do you believe that the other 62% of Americans are racists?
Hillary Clinton started the rumor. Sorry you think she is racist.
Perhaps you need to refresh your memory of the 9/11 truthers. I’ve already cited a site above. Signers included Code Pink founders Medea Benjamin & Jodi Evans.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
8:56 pm
Kyle, when I read your blog this morning, I thought you would have to start a new stream this afternoon, that few people would have an interest. I was wrong.
The left is emboldened with Obama’s singular credible evidence that he is qualified to be the president of the US! I say, “Finally!” “What took you so long?”
do-dah do-dah
April 27th, 2011
9:16 pm
He won in a landslide over the favored white, republican candidate. Most of the good little southern republicans have never accepted that fact- and it is a fact. There apparently is nothing that he can do or say that they will agree with. But then of course there is no racism there- right?
do-dah do-dah
April 27th, 2011
9:19 pm
One more thing that I omitted- care to guess how many of my southern baptist brethren cannot accept those facts and do not see the danger in their hatred toward this man and the commandments of Jesus?.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
9:47 pm
do-dah@9:16, Landslide? Obama would not have been elected without the white vote. Does calling the white voters racists who voted for Obama in 2008 who now disagree with his policies intimidate them into voting for Obama again in 2012 or run them off?
Linda
April 27th, 2011
10:09 pm
do-dah@ 919, I’m also a Christian. For the life of me, I can’t find anywhere in the Bible where “this man” is following the commandments of Jesus. Perhaps you have gotten Jesus & Robbin Hood mixed up.
SnottyNozeBratt
April 27th, 2011
10:39 pm
It took over two years to make certain they paid off the appropriate people, the fact that you declare anyone who disagrees as “mad” just makes it more and more like the “Big Lie”.
For those who unfamiliar – that was lies so insane put forth for the political agenda of hitler and his supporters that were too over the top to believe …. two years for the richest and most powerful people in the world to produce a birth certificate?
Now someone needs to look into how many people in hawaii disappeared since then AND the bank accounts of those still in power.
So much less about madness than being willing to be swept up into believing anything the media declares as truth rather than what they offer for your consideration as possible truth.
Articles with titles that provide you with an assumption before your browse some data ought always to be questioned.
C
April 27th, 2011
11:55 pm
Kyle, you’re so very right. If President Obama … say walked on water, …. some special interest group out there would be complaining, blogging, etc. about him not being able to swim…. What! They didn’t teach him that at Harvard?! Of course, it would be dubbed “The Non-Swimmer Issue”. The madness.
ann
April 28th, 2011
9:33 am
We are not an autocratic society where the “powers that be” dictate what we should think. We are a democratic society where you can express what you feel. Which also means we can choose whomever we want to listen to but when we are so myopic in our views listening to only those who look like us and never allowing ourselves a different viewpoint – it’s bigotry. Whites like Trump choose to believe that Mr. Obama’s Presidency is somehow not legitimate and what drives these notions is racism. What else can it be?
Deadrick
April 28th, 2011
10:23 am
What a bunch of low class idiots! If you actually thought that the President of the United States was put into office without being vetted, then you are stupid beyond comprehension. Now you site here and blame Pres. Obama for this whole mess because he didn’t meet you ignorant demands that was actually meet before the Presidential campaign. Just go crawl back up under your rock where you come from!
Deadrick
April 28th, 2011
10:56 am
@captguitarman …….Its sad that you had to type a darn essay to get your point across.(A misguided point at that!) Just because someone voted for Pres. Obama, does not mean that you can not be a racist or at best take racist actions or have bigoted opinions. Its very foolish and ignorant for you to assume its not possible. For you to type so much ans say so little is really sad. If race is not a factor then why is threats against the President Obama gone up 400% versus the most unpopular President in American history?(I’m talking about Bush if you are too stupid to get the point). Why was he basically forced to show his BC to the American public(which has never been done before in American history) even after knowing he had to be vetted by the CIA before he could he could even run for President? Just because O’reilly stated that he believed Pres Obama was born here does not mean that Fox News did not play into the issue as much as possible. I watched everyday as they allowed the speculation to continue without offering any of the evidence they had to the contrary. Now you try to disassociate yourself from the radical foolish Republicans when it suits you. Now they will either try and discredit the BC or they will find another issue to attach his legitimacy. Hilary Clinton used what she could to try and win an election, it does not make her a racist and it does not mean she is not one either(I don’t believe she is a racist). As much as you say black/libs play the race card, true racism is squashed just as much. For you to not acknowledge the true depth of racism in the country truly shows that you have either yet to grow up or you are just plain dumb.
George Bush
April 28th, 2011
1:17 pm
Chris Matthews…… Obama got in the same way the drunkin draft dodger Bush got in.As for who did pay the bill,I surely hope it was you,that is if you made enough money to pay any taxes.No his brother no longer lives in a hut.He is living in a condo that is being paid for by you Mr. taxpayer.You are one of the most ignorant a–holes to ever open thier mouth,and it shows.Have a nice day