The Obama birth certificate cometh; the madness won’t stoppeth
We finally have the birth certificate — I hope no one has to ask “whose birth certificate?” — long form and all.
So, there you have it.
Do I think this will end the debate? No, because conspiracy theorists generally aren’t persuaded by evidence. This was a ridiculous “debate” in the first place, and I expect it to become simply more ridiculous from here on. In fact, I think this may be good politically for President Obama, because the birthers will seem even crazier now.
As for Donald Trump: The potential presidential candidate is claiming the birth-certificate release as a scalp because he was the one who made a (kind of) mainstream issue of it. I disagree. How does it add luster to a candidate to make an issue of something that turns out to be much ado about nothing?
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Fletch
April 27th, 2011
3:21 pm
Tech Man – “Please don’t deny that Obama played it for all it was worth.”
Ignoring it altogether until deciding to release the document to shut the morons up is playing it for all it’s worth?
griftdrift
April 27th, 2011
3:23 pm
How about Bobby Jindal, Kyle?
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:24 pm
Fletch
April 27th, 2011
3:21 pm
Ignoring responding while it was a positive for him before Trump started bashing, yes!
the red herring
April 27th, 2011
3:26 pm
all candidates for that high of an office should be required to show proof they meet the qualifications. that would include those who are in line to succeed the president should something happen to him.
while not a “birther”, I do believe he should have cleared the air sooner. I don’t think the majority of birthers are racists—many people simply became more skeptical the longer obama continued to skirt the issue. he wanted the office and in order to run for it then he should have been willing to show his credentials. try applying for a neurosurgeon job at a hospital and see if they ask to see your qualifications. same thing.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:27 pm
hsn
April 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
I didn’t need anything. Obama didn’t respond because the 24/7 talk of “birthers” was a positive for him. Once Trump started bashing he was forced to react.
Rafe Hollister
April 27th, 2011
3:29 pm
Kyle, you are correct, this evidence will not end the quest to determine who Barry really is. I think it is a character question. When you are as thin skinned, secretative, does not come off as genuine, and have been known to “stretch the truth”
(being polite), you wind up being questioned a great deal.
The more he bristles and acts indignate the worse it gets. If he were in middle school today, you would expect some bully to be constantly harrassing him. It is sad considering he is the President, but you have to admit it is fun to watch.
snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:35 pm
How much of what Hannity and Limbaugh and Bortz, and all of the rest of the mouthpieces for the right, use to beat Obama with fall into the same category of total BS like the birther issue? Death panels, govt take-over of the auto industry, radical socialist bent on destroying America, radical Muslim agenda, America hater, govt takeover of the healthcare industry, etc., ad nauseum. Flip over to Hannity for 5 minutes (if you can stand it) on any given day and you will hear the same slanderous inuendo nonstop.So this is what the free speech millions have died to protect has come to. There is no longer (if there ever was) any objective truth. It is whatever the think tanks and front groups and their pushers in the media say it is. Science is suspect, but trash-mouthed, mean-spirited, conspiritorial fools like Ann Coulter, or Glen Beck have all the answers.
kitty
April 27th, 2011
3:39 pm
It was a brilliant move to release it. Further looniness will make Trump and any GOPEr who associates themselves with the birthers as well as the GOP itself look like absolute nutcases. Way to go, Obama. The looniness continues.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:41 pm
snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:35 pm
Yep, same goes with the truther’s!
snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
“Yep, same goes with the truther’s!”
Tech man you make me ashamed to be a fan. That is a false equivalency at its worst. Show me where media pundents and Democratic leaders made the 911 conspiracy an issue anywhere near this magnitude. I couldn’t name one person other than McKinney who even held this view. You certainly didn’t see the conspiritorial inuendo trumpeted all over the media for years and fanned by leaders of the opposition. So yes, your statement is also total BS.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:52 pm
Snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
Van Jones?!
Furious Styles
April 27th, 2011
3:55 pm
Trump wants all the credit, I say let him have his limelight. As long as the news outlets continue to be willing to beam his likeness to willing audiences that will hear him, I say let the show go on.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:55 pm
Snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
Why should Ms. McKinney be given a pass?
independent thinker
April 27th, 2011
3:56 pm
Kyle- you ignore the fact that Trump is another fringe candidate that has been embraced overwhelmingly by Republicans in the past few weeks due to his idiotic comments. Today we get more from the other queen of the Republican intelligentsia- Sarah Palin claiming the birther issue was contrived by the media. Last night on Greta she condemned Obama for putting American troops under NATO control. I bet she has no clue what NATO stands for or what its treaty has stood for over the last sixty years or why by treaty it took control of US skies after 9-11.. Even Karl Rove has gotten tired of the looney right wing candidates.
Any party that could seriously consider Palin, Gingrich, Trump and Bachman to name a few has got to start wondering what image it is portraying. Barnum and Bailey???????
Get Real
April 27th, 2011
4:01 pm
Kyle, you really think that the birthers will look crazier than ever now? Do you think that’s possible? I don’t see how it’s going to be any different. The birther leaders will still be out there with all their supporters, maybe even more. If anything they’ll just move into a more mainstream pack of lies. You can read some right here, like that he injtentionally withheld information, that he’s a cocaine addict, etc. What difference does it make?
luangtom
April 27th, 2011
4:01 pm
Ya gotta love how it took so long for Obama to produce it or to agree to produce it. It should have been done the moment it was requested. Why the short-form first and not the hard-copy long-form? What is the ploy behind dragging it out until we got to this point? I am happy it was produced and now maybe we can get answers to other questions….where’s the change he promised? Where are the jobs he promised? This took the heat off him for those matters, now Libya and the rest will take it off for the rest….Yes, it will never end.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
4:02 pm
Snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
Why the uncivil tone?
wampum
April 27th, 2011
4:05 pm
Obama is either an inept, naive fool in over his head or an evil genius laying traps for the Right to stumble into. LMAO
wampum
April 27th, 2011
4:13 pm
Luangtom, where is the focus on jobs the new Republican house said was going to be their first priority? Can you name one thing they have done to improve unemployment? Or could it be they want the economy to remain stagnant until the 2012 election?
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
4:20 pm
Snuggles
April 27th, 2011
3:47 pm
Meanwhile, the Times has yet to bring up a 2006 poll showing more than half of Democrats believed Bush was complicit in the 9-11 attacks.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2011/04/26/birthers-vs-truthers-new-york-timess-double-standard-conspiracy-theorie#ixzz1Kkz3m7zG
Linda
April 27th, 2011
4:27 pm
Not one single person on the blog has even mentioned what the issue is. None of the lefties know what they are talking about. Obama’s citizenship is NOT the issue. Let me explain it to you, using an example.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, former governor of California, is obviously a citizen of the United States. He could be a US Senator, but he could NEVER be President of the US.
According to the US Constitution, the president, in addition to being a citizen, must be a natural-born citizen. That refers to the time of his birth.
The Constitution is vague so we look to the US Code for clarification.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Had Obama NOT been born in the US, he still could have qualified to be President, if he met the requirements.
Everyone has their own agenda in deciding who to vote for. Making certain that a man or woman meets the minimum requirements as required by the Constitution should be important to every voter. It should have been equally important to Obama to be forthcoming & “transparent, as he promised.
luangtom
April 27th, 2011
4:28 pm
wampum, the Republicans are sitting on their hands waiting. It appears both sides are doing next to nothing waiting for the 2012 elections. I have no trust in either side to do what is needed to alleviate debt or stimulate jobs. The sides are waiting for the others to make the errors and then pounce on that, not doing a thing to correct what is wrong…..sad.
Furious Styles
April 27th, 2011
4:31 pm
@luangtom Do you have your long form?? You don’t do you? Most people in this country when they use/request their birth certificate, they get the short form. Why would he HAVE to furnish it to please you when the short form is LEGAL and serves the same purpose.
Why on Earth would anyone request their long form and wait 15 weeks or more to receive it makes no sense when the short version is legal and serves the same purpose? If you needed a Passport within 30 days and didn’t have your birth certificate, you’d request the short form not the long. Makes sense doesn’t it.
All of the sudden everyone is an expert at the Dept of Health on how birth records are kept and released.
yuzeyurbrane
April 27th, 2011
4:33 pm
Kyle, better late than never. I wish you would have spoken up so unequivocally earlier. Maybe there is room for a third party, simply called the Sane Party from which all the nuts would be excluded. We might actually be able to reach reasonable compromises.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
4:38 pm
Furious Styles
April 27th, 2011
4:31 pm
I have mine and I have them for my children. What is the big deal?
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
4:39 pm
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
3:55 pm
“Why should Ms. McKinney be given a pass?”
She wasn’t. That’s why she’s off at Berkley and cuddling with Palestinians.
Your birther buds, however, have been running for VP and chairing congressional caucuses. If you can find 90 legislators in any state who signed onto a 9/11 truther bill, let’s see ‘em. Otherwise, go back to diddling your calculus in mom’s basement.
the watch dog
April 27th, 2011
4:39 pm
He could have come up with it years aga, why now.
hsn
April 27th, 2011
4:41 pm
Linda –
Neither one of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s parents were US citizens. Obama’s MOTHER was a US citizen. Big difference !!
AND YES, OBAMA WAS TRANSPARENT. He posted the OFFICIAL birth record that the state of HAWAII provides to EVERY Hawaiian CITIZEN for court proceedings, application of passport, and jobs.
The question was WHY WAS THE VERACITY of the document certified by THE STATE being questioned in the case of Obama, but NOT for EVERY SINGLE HAWAIIN who produced the same doc issued by the SAME STATE ???
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
4:46 pm
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
4:39 pm
Finding Ms. McKinney is enough as is the poll from the NYT showing more than 50% of Democrats believed Bush was complicit in the 9-11 attacks.
As an almost retired senior I wish my mother was still here.
Why the smartypants remarks. I thought the new elitist liberal mantra was civility?
Sister Sarah
April 27th, 2011
4:57 pm
“Brotha” Al Sharrpton.
I take it YOU have the “inside knowledge” that the previous 43 did???? What I CAN tell you is that in my 45 YEARS on this earth, I have NEVER witnessed such discussion or request (which now covers oh say…8 Presidents) until NOW!! The truth is d@mn painful I know. Just breathe deeply.
Freedom Lover
April 27th, 2011
4:59 pm
No president is ever held up to their oath to the constitution – either during or after their presidency. The whole thing is a game to make the citizens believe that their votes count and that the citizens are actually responsible for deciding who the next president will be.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
5:05 pm
Tech Man, you having a problem finding those ELECTED 9/11 troofers? Mumbling to a pollster is one thing. Voting for someone who holds those views is quite another. Blatting them while in office is a whole new level. And introducing LEGISLATION over it a million miles from answering a pollster’s vague question.
Smartypants remarks are completely in order for egotistical partisans who spout nonsense. I’m not PC. When someone says dumb $#!^, it’s not my job to soothe their feelings.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
5:15 pm
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
5:05 pm
Was Ms. McKinney an elected official? And you calling 50% of your fellow democrats mumbling is on you. I hold the public at higher esteem than apparently do. I don’ support birthers or truthers. I am pointing out that strange opinions are not exclusive to one side or another.
I don’t remember voting for the people you mentioned. I didn’t see them on my ballot.
And no smartypants is never appropriate even though you try to rationalize your behavior.
No More Birthers
April 27th, 2011
5:19 pm
Way to build that straw man Kyle – Democrats are 9/11 Truthers.
No, the 9/11 truthers are more of the same rightwing nutcase republicans – or more correctly – typical GOP clowns! Knowing that The Moron was completely incompetent is not the same, it common knowledge.
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
5:40 pm
“And no smartypants is never appropriate even though you try to rationalize your behavior.”
….sez the guy who doesn’t understand why that black dude didn’t drop everything and show OTHER papers quick enough for his tastes.
I think a little smarty-pantsism is a mild response to such nasty, bigoted behavior. Obama long ago released a document that is “prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” Both the Governor of Hawaii and the State Registrar backed it up. Unbiased third parties were allowed to examine it. It was on the internet for the entire world to see.
Nutters continued their crap behavior, with absolutely NO evidence that Obama was born elsewhere.
Boo-hoo on someone else’s sleeve about the decline of civility. Your moral high horse looks an awful lot like an @$$.
gm
April 27th, 2011
5:43 pm
terriost vs birthers and Donald Trump
One stand for something and the others are a disgrace to Americans, I wonder if we ever got attacked again why should muslim Americans other minorties help these sick bigots of hicks in our country?, just a thought.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
5:48 pm
hsn@4:41, Can you read? I’m the one who used Arnold as an example to show the difference.
You are one of the lefties today who did not distinguish the difference between being merely a citizen & a naturalized citizen. You did not even know what the issue was.
If Obama was so transparent, why did he not come forward for 3 yrs. with this document? (I know the answer to my question.)
I don’t know why his short form that is used for “court proceedings, application of passports & jobs” was not adequate for the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES & LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.
I was never a birther & refused to even debate the issue. I bet Hillary Clinton is laughing her head off right now. She started this rumor & I assumed if there was anything to it, that she & Bill would have gotten to the bottom of it 3 yrs. ago.
Martin Williams
April 27th, 2011
5:51 pm
Congratulation Mr. President Obama for re-election in 2012. All you birthers get used to it. Obama will be our president till January, 2017 and another sober person will take over and NOT a GOP idiot.
Linda
April 27th, 2011
5:57 pm
One of the most famous 9/11 truthers was Van Jones, Obama’s green czar & Communist. He originally denied it but finally apologized & said he was reformed. Mike Berger, a 911Truth.org spokesman said board members “spoke with each person on the list by phone or through email to individually confirm they had added their name to that list.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/sep/03/green-jobs-czar-signed-truther-statement-in-2004/
do-dah do-dah
April 27th, 2011
6:11 pm
The Republicans should be so proud of their contribution to the body politic. Perhaps Trump and the tea partiers should find something useful to do with themselves now. Of course you will never accept the President as juat an American- because he is not like you right? God help us all.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
April 27th, 2011
6:12 pm
At least Dan Blather put some effort into forging his fake documents.
obozo sure didn’t.
This klown can’t even fabricate a fraud he’s so hapless.
do-dah do-dah
April 27th, 2011
6:17 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: Thee Magnificent!!! mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
Were you born a racist or just grow into it?
Aquagirl
April 27th, 2011
6:17 pm
Oh, look, ‘lil Linda is on a birther hunt.
Van Jones didn’t say he was “reformed” hon. He said “If I have offended anyone with statements I made in the past, I apologize. As for the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever.”
Of course, you’ll take the word of the attention ‘hoes at 911Truth.org. If they’re so trustworthy, why aren’t you signing their petition? Jump on board with the honest, truthful patriots!
Please, pack up your stuff along with all the other bigots who don’t think the black guy showed the bigot-preferred papers fast enough. Join the fruitcakes over at WhirledNutDaily, who are already questioning this birth certificate, and saying even if it’s true, Obama is STILL not a natural born citizen.
THAT’S why you don’t play with conspiracy nuts, Linda. No proof is ever enough. Anything you say or do will just pour fuel on their flaming little pin heads. Do you think anyone can reason Jihad Cindy McKinney out of her viewpoint Bush was involved in planning 9/11? No.
Crazy people should be left locked up in the loony bin. Period.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
6:44 pm
I never said he had to produce his birth certificate.
Not only a name calling potty mouth you make up your arguments to fit your pat answers.
je
April 27th, 2011
6:51 pm
To quote John Boehner when asked about the “birthers”… “It’s not my job to tell the American people what to think.” On what other issue has John Boehner EVER not thought it was his job to tell Americans what to think? He tell’s us what to think virtually every day! So is John Boehner not part of the Republican establishment, Kyle? The Republican mainstream embraced this birther movement lock, stock, and barrel.
Michael H. Smith
April 27th, 2011
6:53 pm
You’ve got to give credit where you’d rather not sometimes. In case it slipped by anyone’s attetion as it was hoped that it would, the Fed Chief spoke about inflation today.
Old Ben is wearing rose-colored glasses and obumer is wearing blinders.
Thanks for the
inflation“hidden tax” increase on the POOR and MIDDLE CLASS.hsn
April 27th, 2011
6:55 pm
Linda -
You are all over the place, aren’t you? I will make it simple, and your sarcasm doesen’t change one thing. You are a “birther”.
Now that you and your loony right buddies have egg all over your faces, you are spinning your story differently.
Please, move on!
TRUTH
April 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
JEEEZZZZ….I almost widh he hdn’t shown the long form or whatever the heck it was to prove he was already American. I rather enjoyed watching the psychos and their new “King”, Donald “The Black”….
Run, Donald, Run!!!
One can wish, right??
Bill
April 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
Kyle: I don’t think all Republicans are redneck, white trash birthers, only about 50%–you know, about the percentage of Reps who say they doubt Obama’s citizenship in polls.
Tech Man
April 27th, 2011
7:07 pm
TRUTH
April 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
We both know Trump is running all the way to the bank. He couldn’t pay enough for this publicity.
He is prospering from the Bill Veeck spell my name right form of marketing.