The Obama birth certificate cometh; the madness won’t stoppeth

We finally have the birth certificate — I hope no one has to ask “whose birth certificate?” — long form and all.

So, there you have it.

Do I think this will end the debate? No, because conspiracy theorists generally aren’t persuaded by evidence. This was a ridiculous “debate” in the first place, and I expect it to become simply more ridiculous from here on. In fact, I think this may be good politically for President Obama, because the birthers will seem even crazier now.

As for Donald Trump: The potential presidential candidate is claiming the birth-certificate release as a scalp because he was the one who made a (kind of) mainstream issue of it. I disagree. How does it add luster to a candidate to make an issue of something that turns out to be much ado about nothing?

– By Kyle Wingfield

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get out much?

April 27th, 2011
10:39 am

Just more proof that the most powerful force in the universe is stupid.

DW

April 27th, 2011
10:44 am

Finn McCool

April 27th, 2011
10:44 am

Now they want to see his school records…and all his dental charts

DW

April 27th, 2011
10:45 am

trump = total d0uchbag

John K

April 27th, 2011
10:50 am

Maybe some of the GOP leaders (Boehner?) should have called out the birthers, instead of giving non-committal round about answers when asked about the (non) issue.

Jefferson

April 27th, 2011
11:02 am

Everybody funny, now you funny too.

Bart Abel

April 27th, 2011
11:03 am

“How does it add luster to a candidate to make an issue of something that turns out to be much ado about nothing?”

In my opinion, this didn’t turn out to be much ado about nothing. It has been much ado about nothing the entire time.

During the 2008 campaign, Obama had shown his birth certificate, independently verified by multiple sources. The same official version that all persons born in Hawaii receive when they request their birth certificate. The same official birth certificate used to get a driver’s license, register to vote, get a passport,…

Hawaii does not release long-form copies. However, to satisfy the media, Obama hired a personal lawyer to ask the State of Hawaii to make an exception and release a long-form copy . An authority within Hawaii’s Board of Health agreed to the exception.

The story isn’t that Obama obtained and provided a long-form version of his birth certificate. The story is that the media allows politicians, pundits, and personalities to go on the air and lie to their viewers.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

Kyle Wingfield

April 27th, 2011
11:07 am

Bart: I agree it’s been much ado about nothing the whole time…but the implication by Trump was that the WH wasn’t releasing the long form because it included some embarrassing bit of information on it. That isn’t the case.

Bart Abel

April 27th, 2011
11:09 am

Thanks Kyle.

ByteMe

April 27th, 2011
11:10 am

I think this may be good politically for President Obama, because the birthers will seem even crazier now.

To whom? The ones who believe them will still believe them. The ones who didn’t will still think they’re bat sh!t crazy. Don’t know how any of the sane could think of them as less crazy before this moment.

ByteMe

April 27th, 2011
11:10 am

Oh, look! There’s an empty wine bottle in the birth certificate!

Linda

April 27th, 2011
11:10 am

As I recall, Hillary Clinton was the first birther.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 27th, 2011
11:13 am

I have an amended birth certificate from the State of Georgia. No, y’all can’t see it. ;-)

The only thing this really does, is it will make anybody who runs against the Donald, look like a sane moderate. Of course, I don’t think Trump is actually running anyway. It’s just a massive ego stroke and a bit of self-promotion for whatever his next project really is.

Kyle Wingfield

April 27th, 2011
11:14 am

ByteMe: To the degree that some people associate the birthers with the GOP, it can only damage the GOP — and its presidential candidate — for the birthers to seem even crazier.

I’m not talking about a large effect, just a bit at the margin. In a probable close election next year, the margin will matter.

ByteMe

April 27th, 2011
11:14 am

for whatever his next project really is

“Government Apprentice” coming Fall 2012 on NBC!

ByteMe

April 27th, 2011
11:16 am

To the degree that some people associate the birthers with the GOP

“Some people”? Hedging our bets when discussing the vast majority of people, eh?

Road Scholar

April 27th, 2011
11:23 am

But is he really African American? Male? Tall? Big eared? Phew! I’m glad I got that out of the way!

What is even more intriguing is whether The Donald’s hair is a hazardous waste site?

Kyle Wingfield

April 27th, 2011
11:26 am

ByteMe: Perhaps I should have put it the other way around: associate the GOP with birthers.

I’d like to think most people — the sane people, you called them earlier — don’t think all Republicans are birthers any more than most people think all Democrats are 9/11 truthers.

Jack

April 27th, 2011
11:28 am

I wanted to see it. I’ve seen it. But it took too long.

Kyle Wingfield

April 27th, 2011
11:31 am

And before you ask why I’d make such a comparison…see page 8:

http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf

jconservative

April 27th, 2011
11:33 am

The State of Hawaii certified his birth certificate decades ago. That should have been the end of the story.

He has had US Passports since he was 4 years old. That should have been the end of the story.

The Supreme Court has refused to hear the case 5 times. That should have been the end of the story.

It was not the end of the story because Obama is the first black president.

And that my friends is the end of the story.

Robert

April 27th, 2011
11:34 am

The word “birther” is the new code word for “white racist”

Jefferson

April 27th, 2011
11:37 am

For those who continue on, grow a beard as you probably can’t look yourself in the face to shave.

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Linda

April 27th, 2011
11:40 am

I don’t care what anyone says. I still think he’s Keynesian.

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JF McNamara

April 27th, 2011
11:41 am

Kyle,

You’re buying into the hype. Obama used his power as President to force the state of Hawaii to manufacture a new birth certificate. Then, they took it to the CIA to make sure that it was aged appropriately. Don’t you understand this is why they announced Panetta is going to head defense at essentially the same time. He played ball with the whole conspiracy but demanded to head the DOD in favor. That socialist is creating a New World Order and we need to fight!!!

Don’t you already know this Kyle?

(For those who don’t get it, its a joke post. I’m not a complete idiot.)

John

April 27th, 2011
11:43 am

The argument that it “took too long” for the President of the United States to show his birth certificate is insulting. The fact that people say it took too long implies that the President was hiding something, which we all (hopefully) know is not the case. He didn’t have to show it at all, at no point was his actual legitimacy in danger. Those who question his legitimacy should just be happy he showed it all.

Now you’ll have to find some other form of disguised racism.

Aquagirl

April 27th, 2011
11:45 am

“I wanted to see it. I’ve seen it. But it took too long.”

Jack, sorry, those colored folks don’t produce their papers as fast nowadays since you can’t turn the bloodhounds loose on ‘em.

Friggin’ amazing. On one hand, I’m glad this will push the birthers farther into the crazy corner. On the other hand, it’s incredibly disturbing nearly HALF of Republicans are lacking in basic common sense. Making the president produce paperwork because you’re willing to believe innuendo and pure crap? Stay out of the voting booth, for the sake of your children and this entire country.

kimmer

April 27th, 2011
11:49 am

BO has had this info at his fingertips the whole time. He allowed the nonsense to go on until he felt like he had all he could stuff in the trap then sprung it with a flick of the finger making everyone who fell for this garbage look like a complete radical extremist fool.

Now can we all please focus on using his record against him to deny this guy a second term instead of trying to trip him up on a technicality?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 27th, 2011
11:54 am

Good morning all. The “birth certificate” distracts from the serious issues – Obamacare and the “stimulus” mentality. I realize the whole “birther” kerfuffle was intended to apply one of those Alinsky tactics against one of its leading practitioners, but I would rather see the leftists defeated due to the economic illegitimacy of their policies ($5 gasoline) rather than due to some other inherent illegitimacy.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

April 27th, 2011
11:56 am

Dear Aquagirl @ 11:45, good morning, “Making the president produce paperwork because you’re willing to believe innuendo and pure crap?” Can you apply that same logic to the “stimulus” and ObamaCare?

Kyle Wingfield

April 27th, 2011
11:57 am

Aquagirl: I’ll call your attention to page 8 of the Zogby poll I linked in a comment above. Do you find it equally disturbing that, at the time, nearly half of Democrats polled said they thought Bush either consciously let 9/11 happen or actively made it happen?

Or do you think that, as my colleague Jay Bookman has suggested in the past, that the responses to poll questions about Obama’s birth certificate (I would also put the 9/11 truther issue in this category) reflect mere tribal loyalty?

Whacks Eloquent

April 27th, 2011
12:02 pm

Well said, Ragnar.

I also think that perhaps this little slip of paper has been sitting in President Obama’s desk for a while, to pull out at the opportune moment. Why not? He knew, and his advisors knew, there was not a snowball’s chance in hell of being able to turn around the economy quickly, and it might even get worse. This is a PR stunt, and if any kudos are to be given to Trump, it would just be that he sped up the release. But President Obama may have played his “immunity idol” a bit early, he may wish he had it at the next round.

Aquagirl

April 27th, 2011
12:10 pm

Rag, no. No wiggling, no threadjacking, no comment on whatever’s lodged in your craw at this particular moment.

I want to see if one—just ONE—of these people will admit “gee, I was wrong, I let fringe elements whip me into a frenzy over a complete non-issue.” I’m betting not one of them will do it. Because that’s what an adult would do. Realizing you’ve screwed up, acknoledging it, and learning from your mistakes is not a sign of weakness. It’s a sign you’ve surpassed an adolescent in emotional maturity.

So no, I don’t care to drop the topic of the day and jump to whatever you think you need “proof” for. I don’t care what you think about obamacare, or TARP, or your issues with not getting a date to the senior prom. Grownups understand the world does not revolve around them and their current obsession.

If only the birthers had realized that…but they never will.

arlene

April 27th, 2011
12:14 pm

Donald Trump shows his ignorance each time he opens his mouth trying to bring down our president. As a nation, we should be ashamed to ask a president to present his birth certificate. This is pure racism; if Mc Cain had been elected and made some of the same decisions as President Obama, the Republicans would not have blinked an eye. Rather, they would be patting him on the back. Wake up, people: we have a Black president. Get used to it and support him. George Bush left behind a mess that will take many years to alter.

griftdrift

April 27th, 2011
12:24 pm

The birther movement was embraced, both tacitly and openly, by leaders of the GOP. The truther fringers were never embraced by the Dems. Big difference, Kyle. And just one of many.

John

April 27th, 2011
12:30 pm

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, okay. Now the former birthers are gonna say that Obama was just playing politics and waiting for the “opportune” moment to release it.

How does it get so easy to ignore the facts?

Nevermind the fact that Obama had to ask the state of Hawaii for an exception to their law, and to release his birth certificate. Why didn’t he just release his own personal copy, you ask. Well, dead behind the eyes, that’s because had he released his own personal copy, then this board would have been full of people saying “ahh he just printed one up, it’s so easy to photoshop those things.”

He released an official copy that is certified by the state of Hawaii, and this just happens to be the date it was released. It was inevitable that the day he released it, someone was going to say, “typical Obama, he had to release it today.”

End. Of. Story.

Kyle Wingfield

April 27th, 2011
12:39 pm

grift, I don’t count Trump as a “leader” of the GOP, and I’m at a loss for which leaders have “embraced” birtherism, tacitly or openly.

Whacks Eloquent

April 27th, 2011
12:40 pm

John,

I was never a birther. They are stupid, and I never understood the fuss. His mama was American, so is he. No other way around it.

That said, as easy as it was for him to produce it today, quite convenient timing. He could have gotten wheels rolling a lot faster. Why didn’t he? Hmm, well maybe because Hillary was not a threat. Nor was McCain. But now, with him in presidency, and economic disaster threats hanging over his head (not all his fault, but there nonetheless), and the issue is moot now that he is already POTUS, why now? Sorry, but I believe him and his cronies to be politically savvy, and I am merely ASKING (not charging him, I just am suspicious of ALL politicians) if perhaps this is just timed well so as to deflect concerns about rising gas prices or another unpopular war? Maybe he hopes to have solutions to those two problems, and this is just a way to keep the media off his back for a short time.

Larry Major

April 27th, 2011
12:40 pm

Mr. Wingfield, I completely agree with everything you wrote (a situation which hopefully won’t result in any substantial tectonic plate movement).

Tall

April 27th, 2011
12:43 pm

Arlene:

I have to prove citizenship to obtain employment. Why can’t Mr. Obama? Why did it take so long and why the patronizing press conference afterward? This stunt was used to discredit his critics and generate some political gain. No…that’s not racism.

ByteMe

April 27th, 2011
12:45 pm

Kyle: so Newt isn’t a thought leader in the GOP? What about Sarah Palin who wrongly claimed just recently that Obama spent $2 million keeping people from seeing his birth certificate?

Now you’re not at a loss.

Aquagirl

April 27th, 2011
12:45 pm

Kyle, I do think, like with the 9/11 troofers, it’s a tribal thing. I wish there had been a more accurate division between people who really thought Obama knew he was born in Kenya, and people who were just asking why Obama didn’t release his birth certificate to put an end to the whole discussion. Some folks think it’s a matter of openness, and I think those people are a far cry from the true birthers.

I think trying to draw parallels between the 9/11 believers and birthers is a place you DON’T want to go. Because it shows how friggin’ close Republicans are to the edge of the cliff.

First, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not is a pretty straightforward question. It’s not like global warming, or the events of 9/11. It’s a pretty much up-and-down question. There’s no complexity. Trying to decide if President Bush “let” 9/11 happen is not provable by a simple certificate. (For the record, I don’t believe he did, I’m saying that the proof he didn’t would be more complex.) Even before today, Obama had released a certificate authenticated by numerous sources, including Hawaii state officials. You can tell a true conspiracy theorist by their resistance to evidence and proof. Birthers have been doing backflips to get away from the evidence. That’s a clear sign of crazy.

But the clear difference between 9/11 nuts and birther nuts is DEMOCRATS DON’T LET THE CRAZIES DRIVE THE BUS. What leading Democrats endorsed, or tip-toed around the 9/11 nuts? Do you recall Nancy Pelosi saying “well, I’d like to think the President was unaware of 9/11, but there are certain questions by certain people….?” Did she say there were explosives in the WTC? Did any leading Democrat? The only one who comes to mind is Cynthia McKinney. Crazy Democrats of the 4th may have re-elected her, but the House leadership didn’t give her seniority back. She was not re-appointed to her committees, which is pretty much tradition.

No, the Democratic leadership treated McKinney like she deserved to be treated: a babbling, irrational, cop-slapping nutcase.

Now you have MAJOR Republicans who engaged in this silly birther junk. Gingrich calling Obama a “Kenyan.” Sheesh. Can you imagine if 90 or so Georgia General Assembly Democrats had signed a bill demanding proof Bush was not behind 9/11? Birther beliefs are not fringe among elected Republicans.

A large part of America is shockingly illogical and just plain mean-spirited. But the Republicans–with their global warming denialism, creationist junk, and now birtherism, are WAY ahead of progressives, or libs, or Democrats, or whatever you want to call them. They love their nutty thinking and the assumption the other guy is evil and not to be trusted under any circumstances. They embrace their supposed moral superiority, with their blather about family values and anti-abortion rhetoric.

The last time we got into that sort of “I’m good, they’re EVIL” mode, it resulted in the Civil War.

If our political leaders don’t show more wisdom than they did in the 1850’s, it’ll be just as bad. Seriously. This dabbling in birther and denialist crap has infiltrated the highest levels of the Republicans. They need to knock it off, now.

Ramguy

April 27th, 2011
12:48 pm

Kyle I know very few people who believes in the 9/11 conspiracy and they are all right wingers. Nice try at a deflection though.

m

April 27th, 2011
12:49 pm

Obama is the first black president.

Mother is Caucasian, says so on birth certificate. Mulatto.

arlene

April 27th, 2011
12:50 pm

Enter your comments here

Kyle Wingfield

April 27th, 2011
12:51 pm

I see what you did there, ByteMe: Now we’re not talking about “leaders” but “thought leaders” — which I suppose could be expanded to include anyone with a blog who favors Republican politicians.

Newt has not been in elected office for more than a decade. And I seriously doubt that is going to change next year.

As for Palin, I haven’t seen the claim about $2 million. But I do know that, while she’s been inconsistent on this issue (as on others), she did at one point compare birthers to those who think she didn’t give birth to her son, Trig.

Tall

April 27th, 2011
12:53 pm

Aquagirl:

President Obama could have settled this long ago, but didn’t. If he has time to play golf, he has time to produce his birth certificate. Why the patronizing press conference afterward? He is a chump.

Chris Matthews

April 27th, 2011
12:53 pm

How does a cocaine drug addict like Obama get into any college? Did his radical friends pay the bills or us taxpayers? Does his brother still live in a hut? Did they throw his illegal aunt out of the country yet? Everything about Obama invites questions! Most ill-prepared person ever to become President..and it shows!