Pay inmates? No, but let’s correct some prison problems

Georgia’s next governor, Nathan Deal, said Wednesday the state must cut its work force to balance the budget.

Psst…Mr. Deal! Wanna know who ought to be first in line for the pink slips? How about the prison guards who sold so many cell phones to inmates that the jailbirds were able to organize a short-lived protest in state penitentiaries this month?

Depending on whom you believe, either the wardens at four state prisons locked down inmates for several days to pre-empt a protest, or the prisoners themselves refused to leave their cells to perform their work assignments.

The inmates used their contraband mobile phones — it’s a felony in this state for a prisoner to possess one — to send text messages to one another. Some of them used the phones to call an AJC reporter to claim credit for the work stoppage.

Their gripe? In large part, it’s that they want to be paid for working jobs within the lockups and on other state property.

One of them, a convicted murderer named Diego, told our reporter that he paid a prison guard $350 for a pre-paid phone. So, forgive me for doubting these guys are truly hurting for cash.

But let’s say the offending guards are caught. And let’s say the inmates are made to understand they’re not going to start getting paid — not beyond the food, shelter and health care they already receive, that is.

And certainly not when the state is eyeing up to $2 billion more in budget cuts. Far from paying inmates, the Georgia Department of Corrections, like other state agencies, will probably have to further tighten its belt.

We spend about $1 billion a year on Corrections. The agency needs some creative, money-saving solutions.

One in 13 Georgia adults is in jail or on probation or parole. That’s the nation’s highest rate. And once inmates are released, they’re returning to prison in alarming numbers. During the past decade, two in three ex-cons have been re-arrested within three years. Something isn’t working.

There’s little wiggle room for dealing with killers like Diego. But we ought to look seriously at alternative options for those incarcerated for lesser crimes.

And we might find some possibilities in another historically tough-on-crime state: Texas.

In a recent essay for the free-market Georgia Public Policy Foundation, Marc Levin of the Center for Effective Justice in Texas focused on some policies toward nonviolent offenders in his state that appear to be more effective and less expensive than what we’re trying.

Since 2005, Levin wrote, Texas has saved more than $2 billion in projected prison costs through “reforms to strengthen community-based supervision, sanctions and treatment options for nonviolent offenders.” At the same time, the state’s crime rate in 2009 was at its lowest level since 1973.

Here’s a place to start in Georgia. According to Levin, we spend $151 million a year to house about 9,000 drug offenders. It’s not only dealers who are serving long sentences: The “average [Georgia] inmate released in 2009 on a drug possession charge,” he wrote, “spent 21 months locked up…”

We have drug courts and day-reporting centers that are ripe for expansion. Levin’s Texas example also suggests more drug testing, graduated punishments and incentives for parolees to behave themselves.

Then we can focus on keeping violent guys like Diego behind bars. They need to pay for their crimes, not get paid.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Tommy Maddox

December 17th, 2010
7:25 pm

Kyle – there’s always some rocks that need busted.

Greg in the Highlands

December 17th, 2010
8:25 pm

Having been a victim of an eight time convicted felon last June, I say 3 strikes and you get the chair. Recidivism would be a thing of the past with criminals fleeing the state after a second conviction. The state would save money and the streets would be safer.

barking frog

December 17th, 2010
8:40 pm

How about we abolish the Parole Board and its staff
and allow the Department of Corrections Probation
Division to handle all supervised release with electronic
monitoring paid for by the prisoner. Probation for
all misdemeanor offenses with incarceration for
probation violation.

Michael H. Smith

December 17th, 2010
8:56 pm

If you don’t like the harsh prison life in Georgia please relocate to Maricopa County, Arizona.

AMERICAN PRISONS: PUNISHMENT OR REHABILITATION?

Sheriff Joe Arpaio runs a no-frills prison for Maricopa County, Arizona. He has organized prisoners into chain gangs, houses them in tents in the scorching desert sun and feeds them baloney sandwiches with no coffee. Inmates are denied broadcast television but given educational programming. “I want to make this place so unpleasant that they won’t even think about doing something that could bring them back,” says Arpaio. “I want them to suffer.

Taking away jail privileges
Arizona sheriff keeps inmates in jail, saves money

“I’m in a Catch 22,” Arpaio said. “Because I don’t do it to save taxpayer’s money, I do it based on the theory that they should never live better in jail than they do on the outside. If I had a billion dollars they would still be eating 15 cent meals.”

…Again, Arpaio didn’t have money saving in mind when he came up with the all-postcard plan. He said that too many people hide things in envelopes or under stamps such as drugs and other contraband.

His inmates also wear pink socks and underwear. Arpaio had a problem with inmates stealing the white underwear and smuggling it out of prison; as a result they were losing money.

“They hate pink. That’s why I do that,” Arpaio said. “Why would men like to wear pink underwear?”

As a result there has been far less underwear stolen.

“I’m in a Catch 22,” Arpaio said. “Because I don’t do it to save taxpayer’s money, I do it based on the theory that they should never live better in jail than they do on the outside. If I had a billion dollars they would still be eating 15 cent meals.”

Arpaio has chain gangs. He is the first man in history to form a female and juvenile chain gang.

They clean streets, paint over graffiti and bury the indigent in the county cemetery.

Despite the fact that housing an inmate in Maricopa County costs $7 dollars a day more than in San Bernardino County, they still operate under a budget half that of San Bernardino County.

In Maricopa County, it costs $61 a day to house an inmate, yet they are holding over 4,000 more inmates than San Bernardino County where it costs $54 a day.

According to Maricopa county officials, the high cost of housing an inmate comes from the fact that they built two new jail facilities and have consistently been adding positions to handle the growing inmate population for the past five years.

Yet, Maricopa County, the fourth most populated area in America, operates under a $212 million budget, while San Bernardino County’s is upwards of $400 million.

While San Bernardino County is struggling to find room for inmates, Arpaio is hiring more officers and building more tents to handle Maricopa County’s growing inmate population, proving that he has a clear understanding of the price of public safety.

As his signature phrase that graces his posters and post cards illustrates, “Crime never pays.”

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/county-782-arpaio-inmates.html

Claude

December 17th, 2010
9:01 pm

Here’s a way to save some money. Go through the long and growing list of registered sex offenders and make some common sense decisions about who is really dangerous and who isn’t.

itpdude

December 17th, 2010
9:52 pm

Hah, Claude, you got that one right, brother. I don’t really know what makes someone a sex offender. Is it some guy who committed statutory rape at age 20 when he banged a 14 year old who looked 18, acted 18, and said she was 18?

Those guys are a far cry from the guys who snatch boys from the street and stuff them in the back of a conversion van or the uncle who touches his niece inappropriately or the home-invader who decides to rape granny.

Another thing with sex-offenders, it may be time to allow those convicted of a sex-crime to mitigate his prison sentence with voluntary castration. A lot of those guys simply cannot help themselves, which is sad, but we can’t have those guys roaming around with a loaded crotch and no control over themselves.

Dusty

December 17th, 2010
10:08 pm

There is something wrong about prisoners getting paid for work. If you pay them, then take out deductions for room, board, food, healthcare and security. Those of us not in jail have to pay for those things from our paychecks. If prisoners have families, then they must assign their earning after deductions to their legal families. Why does a prisoner need money in jail?

Kyle is correct about prison guards selling illegal phones to prisoners. Fire ‘em and drop their benefits. just like everyone else who gets fired.

I hope Gov-elect Deal will make some changes in the prison system…maybe throw in some pink underwear and socks if necessary!

Bravesfan79

December 17th, 2010
11:57 pm

How about some real solutions from a 5 time survivor of black violent crime in Atlanta.

#1 Castrate all criminals convicted of a violent crime. Them not being able to re-enter society and spread more fatherless kids would probably do wonders for the”black community” Where it seems 9 out of 10 kids are without fathers around.
#2 Castrate all pedifiles/ child molesters.
#3 On a persons 2nd conviction of a violent offense (im talking carjackings, robberies, not simple assault), they should be put to Death, regardless of age!
#4. Start trying all violent acts as adults after the age of 13.
A place like Singapore might not be as “fair” as other more Liberal countries, but at least you could walk down the street at night without looking over your shoulder the whole time.

Peter

December 18th, 2010
12:26 am

Kyle……

Crazy stuff like pink underwear is only going to fly so far with the population, and some of the boys will be called Rusty……….

Seems the biggest problem is the ” Failure to Communicate ” !

That being ……. the ” Deal Lie ” to the state about his financial situation.

And this is the guy to make thing Right ? HA HA HA !

Prisonworld

December 18th, 2010
1:02 am

The State Prison System definitely has issues. Tune into our radio show tomorrow where we be discussing these very issues and the “inside scoop” we received on the lockdown but did not report. Feel free to call in and voice your opinion. See ya Sunday @6pm EST

http://www.prisonworldradiohour.com

Ted Striker

December 18th, 2010
1:10 am

The simplest solution to prison overcrowding is to do away with sentences for non-violent crimes and crimes not involving property damage or harm/endangerment to others.

John Franklin (JF) McNamara

December 18th, 2010
1:53 am

Maybe we need less laws and harsher punishments. I’m with letting the non-violent people out completely, and stopping prosecution on minor drug arrests. Prisons should only hold murderers (including DUI people who actually injured someone), rapist, meth, crack and heroin dealers, and 3rd time property crime committers (or high dollar embezzelers). We should have a more free state with smaller prisons with more draconian sentences.

get out much?

December 18th, 2010
5:41 am

When you are dealing with people who are already locked up for life, there is not much more you can take away from them to prevent bad behavior but there are things you can give them to help insure “good” behavior. One of those things is a “nominal” fee for the work they perform. If you start taking away their incentives, what reasons do they have to cooperate. You can’t punish them by putting them in prison, they are already there.

Oh and for those fans of Joe Arpaio, you might want to check out how much Maricopa County has had to pay out in lawsuits over the years because of his “tough guy” act.

Recvivdism

December 18th, 2010
5:59 am

Kyle you only reported only one demand the inmates just threw in the topic of discussion. They are not being fed, they do not get free medical care, their work assignments are to clean the warden’s car and other things for the administrators at the prison. They are not cleaning streets, picking cotton, painting walls or nothing that woudl benefit the community or state. They are being held in correction facilities not state penitentiaries. I understand the recividism, when they are released without some type of education or counseling then how do they survive outside. With no training how do you get a job with a record too. When no one outside is willing to look past your record where do you turn after stress of trying to find a job with no money and no transportation, no education, no help? We can not just put this all on the inmates now. Less violent offenders need not go into the system because they become real offenders. Do something about these facilities and employees there!!!!! This was the inmates only outletm, cellphones, because when they try to write letters of the wrong doings then they are beaten and locked in the hole. The outside never sees whats going on in the inside. Inmates are getting killed by officers and other violent inmates. Wardens are taking matters in their own hands without discussing with Dept of Corrections. We convict innocent people in court, that’s what starts the process. The judges give ridiculous sentences and that’s why we pay so much for prisons and have such a high rate of incarceration. Georgia wants to make money off of prisons, they will never ever make that decision to release non violent offenders or even cut their time in half. The Parole Board is doing nothing except sitting on their a****. As people make your complaint about sentencing and placing of offenders. Look at the crime and then decide where and how long, when you are on the jury. Make that statement.

the answers are on the shelf

December 18th, 2010
6:49 am

The Georgia Commission on Certainty in Sentencing released its
final report December 6, 2002, and recommended the adoption of sentencing guidelines. Using an extensive analysis of 3,000 cases from 1999 to 2001, the commission outlined several changes in the way offenders are sentenced. These include 1) drafting proposed
sentencing guidelines for use; 2) providing judges with new sentencing options that allow inmates to be housed at appropriate levels of security; 3) ensuring a match between sentencing options and correctional resources; and 4) concentrating resources
on incarcerating violent, sex, and career offenders. This commission argued that these changes would provide certainty and predictability in sentencing and provide equitable punishment of similar offenders for similar offenses. At the same time, the proposed guidelines would allow judges to retain discretion to individualize sentences, albeit at the
margins and with departures.

Karl Marx

December 18th, 2010
6:55 am

Pay them? Yes we should. Give them a paycheck with all the deductions we have to put up with, FICA ,State and Federal Income tax etc, etc. PLUS don’t forget to Include the COST OF THEIR INCARCERATION. By the time they deduct all of that the “paycheck” will become a “bill” of several thousand dollars and another necessary life’s lesson to these prisoners.

ED COWAN

December 18th, 2010
7:48 am

800 MILLION TO UP DATE THE OLD TIFT COLLEGE. SO THE DOC COULD MOVE FROM DOWNTOWN? WERE IS THE OUT CRY ON SPENDING.

The Right Brothers

December 18th, 2010
7:55 am

Hey, I have an idea. We could pay the prisoners for their hard work and let them use that money to pay off their fines and pay for their healthcare and food and room and board, etc., the peons. After all, why should they be treated any different than the rest of us.

The Right Brothers

December 18th, 2010
8:04 am

Georgia sure does have a boatload of uneducated, proverty-striken jobless bums, doesn’t it Kyle. Perhaps a tax cut is in order to create jobs and other such stuff for them. What do you think, Kyle. Educate us on where we went wrong. Was peonage the better option. After all, it’s sulf-sustaining.

Irvine Divine

December 18th, 2010
8:38 am

Definitely punish the correctional officers who provided the phones. They might decide later to provide weapons.

the truth

December 18th, 2010
8:39 am

Georgia’s budget spends more $$$ on the Dept of Corrections that any other state is’s size….we have too many people in prison for drug and non violate offenses….our law makers are idiots…and we keep voting for them….

Jason

December 18th, 2010
8:43 am

Until the the drug dealers are off the street, crime is going to continue to run rampant. Your ideas aren’t new and have been beat around for some time. As a probation officer, I see first hand how bad it is getting. We are constantly getting softer on criminals yet victims continue to suffer. Liberals and criminals love the idea of alternatives to incarceration. You want drug courts day reporting centers but do they really do anything other than not incarcerate people. In the Tifton Day Reporting Center, addicts know they can test positive 3-4 times before anything is even considered as far as punishment. After that 4th positive drug screen, they will serve about 15 days in a county jail at the most. There really is no risk for the reward for the addict. There are people on probation on 4-5 different drug cases. Where is the justice in that? I am not sure there are any answers for this escalating problem. The state wants to reduce recidivism and free up bed space by reducing the standards of supervision. There is actually a call in center for convicted felons to report monthly. They will never see a probation officer in many cases. It is getting to the point where you can do most anything not violent or sexual and guarantee yourself no serious jail time. Even child molesters and aggravated assault cases are often given straight probation. It is getting to a point where I am welcoming vigilantiism (sp).

jconservative

December 18th, 2010
8:49 am

If we really want to save money and reduce state spending lets start with eliminating the Georgia State Patrol. I have yet to see them do anything that the county sheriff, county police or the local city police cannot do.

Cool hand Clyde.

December 18th, 2010
8:49 am

The only prison reform I’d support would be one in which Clyde Wingnut ends up behind bars. (and then they throw away the key).

and he gets bread and water. (and that’s his xmas dinner, you should see the day in day out fare).

and he gets the hose, and no conjugal visits.

Sean Smith

December 18th, 2010
9:24 am

Cell phone jammers would help solve the problem. Make the phone worthless.

Michael H. Smith

December 18th, 2010
9:48 am

I was almost in shock Kyle when I didn’t see the bleeding heart bed-wetters jumping on this blog but I did say almost, as I see they’ve finally arrived with their usual no punishment reward good behavior look the other way at bad behavior reform non-sense.

Jails and prisons are meant to be deplorable places barely on the edge of what is remotely humane where no one should ever want to go for a very good reason. They should not be comfortable places to live. The food should be lousy. The clothing shouldn’t be anything somebody would want to wear, let alone steal. There shouldn’t be any UNEARNED PRIVILEGES, like work release. Parole ought to be harder to come by than finding gold in a silver mine.

One line of thought that caught my eye…

I understand the recividism, when they are released without some type of education or counseling then how do they survive outside. With no training how do you get a job with a record too. When no one outside is willing to look past your record where do you turn after stress of trying to find a job with no money and no transportation, no education, no help? We can not just put this all on the inmates now.

We don’t put anything on the inmates they did not put on themselves. Until a Con acknowledges that fact to themselves and to those whoever they may ask for help, they don’t deserve it. When a Con stops conning themselves and everyone else they will approach seeking help in a manner that says… Yes, I screwed up. It was all my own doing. I owe society and hope someone will see that I’m now ready to earn back the right to be a stand-up citizen that contributes to society rather than only takes from it and others, the things that do not belong to me or break society’s laws that I don’t like, think stupid and are made for fools and the weak-minded.

Merle Haggard was a convict shooting straight when he said… “back when coke was coca-cola and a joint was a bad place to be”

I don not support making jails and prisons better places with better living conditions and I don’t put any faith whatsoever in penal reform that does not impose PUNISHMENT for crimes committed. Only the Convict needs to reform.

Crime should never pay a reward of any kind!

@@

December 18th, 2010
10:13 am

One in 13 Georgia adults is in jail or on probation or parole. That’s the nation’s highest rate. And once inmates are released, they’re returning to prison in alarming numbers. During the past decade, two in three ex-cons have been re-arrested within three years.

Oh my! What….is the one in 13 somebody who let opportunity pass ‘em by? I’d say if the recidivism rate is 2 in three, life inside is much too pleasant.

No doubt the inmates grew tired of the monitoring system that came with their COLLECT calls to family members. No financial burden for the cons….just additional burden to the family. Talk about self-centered! There’s nothing that defines it better than a person who can’t avoid prison.

carlosgvv

December 18th, 2010
10:17 am

In the 1950’s and early 1960’s you could walk the streets of Atlanta in safety. But then, political correctness was born and now Atlanta is filled with savages and half-savages. Restore swift and CERTAIN punishment for criminals and watch crime go down.

Rafe Hollister

December 18th, 2010
10:28 am

Georgia definitely needs to look at some of its stupid sentencing guidelines. Smoking pot in CA is a $10 fine and can be a 21 month sentence in Georgia. You can understand that the kids do not get the varying views on MJ possession. Different counties look at MJ possession differently, Fulton versus some Bible belt county, not exactly equal protection.

The Statutory Rape laws are treated harshly by some and more leniently by others. Just depends on where and who caught them. Some cops turn their heads, others throw the book at the kids. Driving with suspended license is a serious charge but depends on lawyer and jurisdiction, how severely it is punished. The whole sentencing process makes this state unjust.

The state should adopt new, more successful, and less punitive punishment for non violent offenders. More required alcohol and drug counseling, rehabilatation, monitoring, drug testing, etc as an alternative to prison. Let the offender pay to do these things to stay out of prison. Let them earn the money from doing community service projects.

Prisons should be reserved for violent criminals and repeat offenders.

Crenshaw8

December 18th, 2010
10:38 am

Third strike should come with a death sentence. Law abiding citizens are tired of the “let’s be liberal” garbage.

ronald

December 18th, 2010
10:41 am

“Here’s a place to start in Georgia. According to Levin, we spend $151 million a year to house about 9,000 drug offenders. It’s not only dealers who are serving long senteylnces: The “average [Georgia] inmate released in 2009 on a drug possession charge,” he wrote, “spent 21 months locked up…”

Kyle- What exactly are you suggesting here? It sounds as if you’re suggesting that drug possession shouldn’t result in prison time. If this is your stance, then just say so. Hard to believe I’d hear that from you though. Listen, there are LOTS of ways for the state to cut costs. I don’t think we need to consider letting drug offenders spend less time in prison, just to save money. Society will pay an even higher cost repairing the damage that these people do, if left alone with their drug problems.

ronald

December 18th, 2010
10:44 am

And obviously, I like the idea of the 15c baloney sandwiches. I find it odd that people would criticize the Arizona sheriff who doesn’t allow network TV in the prisons. Why did we ever get to a point where TVs are allowed in prisons anyway? What a joke.

Claude

December 18th, 2010
11:29 am

A couple of thoughts:

1. You don’t have to be naive about human nature to recognize that there’s something inherently sad about incarceration numbers that now reach into the millions. It’s a terrible waste of human potential.

2. Recividism rates are high and will probably go higher. Governments usually come up with plans for early release or alternatives to prison when the economy is lousy, but that’s also the worst time for a convicted person to get a job and turn his life around. Employers can do a background check with just a few clicks on a computer, and the few employers who are hiring have plenty of non-criminals to choose from. Long gone are the days when you could move to a new town and start over. Now your past is always with you.

Reality Check

December 18th, 2010
11:31 am

The first problem is the stattistic 1 in 13 GA adults are either incarcerated, on probation or on payrole. There must be people going to jail that could have been punished in a different manner. I guess when prisons become a private business, you have to have a product….
The statistic of people returning to the prison system within 2 or 3 years most of the time could be be directly related to the fact that businesses won’t hire people with a record. Good things don’t usually come from people being unable to work and having too much free time on their hands. We need programs to give these people an opportunity to work after theier release.
There are some people who will never be rehabilitatde and prisons were made for them, but the majority of prisoners just did something stupid.

Sean Smith

December 18th, 2010
12:11 pm

I am just curious. We cant find jobs for all of the law abiding citizens out there right now. Where are the jobs for excons going to come from. There aren’t enough waffle house cooks jobs for every excon to get a job. And its clear the republican Georgia government isn’t going to do anything about this issue since it would require spending money.

Independent

December 18th, 2010
12:54 pm

I agree with you on the guards – find out who the culprits are and fire them, then prosecute them if there is a law against it, if not, create such a law. As far as our prison population goes, in order to decrease our prison population we need to lengthen sentences. I know, that sounds contradictory, but when a burglar breaks into your house and steals your flat-screen TV (one of your “non-violent crimes), he goes to jail with a three-year sentence but serves about one month. No wonder as soon as he is back on the street, he goes right back to burglarizing houses. Make a three-year sentence a three year sentence, no probation and no parole. Then maybe he will think twice about the burglary. And for y’all that think drug possession and drug use should not land someone in jail, I agree, as long as they can prove that all the money they used to buy those drugs came from a legal job. Most drug money is gained through illegal activities such as destroying a $3000 air conditioner to get the $30 in copper out of it. Put the criminals in jail, allow them no rights, feed them Nutriloaf if they complain. And if they start throwing their feces, lock them naked in a special room with cold shower nozzles in the ceiling and feed them through a slot in the door for a month. They will get the idea. And for goodness sake, put murderers on the fast track for trials and use the death penalty when it is clearly warranted, where there is no question of guilt. Do the sme if the perpetrator is 10 years old or mentally ill. The supreme court made a serious error when they said we could not execute the mentally ill, now all murderers are mentally ill. The danger to society is the same whether these people are mentally ill or whether they are just evil. They should both be executed the way Old Yeller was executed – for the good of society.

Randy P.

December 18th, 2010
1:00 pm

“I want to make this place so unpleasant that they won’t even think about doing something that could bring them back,” says (Sheriff) Arpaio. “I want them to suffer.” <> “Arpaio is hiring more officers and building more tents to handle Maricopa County’s growing inmate population,…”
Arpaio’s Draconian public safety policies do not seem to be very successful, do they?

Linda

December 18th, 2010
1:02 pm

There is a relationship between lack of education & criminal activity. 18% of the general population lack high school diplomas, whereas 41% of inmates in state & federal prisons were high school dropouts. Schooling reduces the probability of incarceration.
Zero tolerance policies have raised the likelihood of incarceration. Suspensions & expulsions need to be minimized. Peer mediation, conflict resolution, guidance counseling, mentoring, community service & after-school detention should be substituted, whenever possible.
High school education is many times more effective to prevent incarceration than prison education is to prevent recidivism.
We should have strict state compulsory high school attendance laws & punishment for parents whose teenagers are habitually truant. Minimum wage for teenagers should be lowered, but laws should be enacted to prevent teenagers from working during school hours. Drivers licenses should be revoked for dropouts.

hunter

December 18th, 2010
1:25 pm

gw and dick should be in jail for crimes against humanity.

Linda

December 18th, 2010
1:35 pm

Secure the borders! Keep drugs out of our country.

barking frog

December 18th, 2010
2:05 pm

The Federal system pays their prisoners a nominal
sum for work performed.

Double Standard

December 18th, 2010
2:36 pm

Well, for thieves, we could chop off their right hand. For white collar criminals, we could remove both eyes for the first offense, and the hearing in both ears for the second. For druggies, I suggest castration. Three offenses, and its off with their heads.

Double Standard

December 18th, 2010
2:37 pm

Oh yeah, lying politicians get the guillotine for the first offense!

In my opinion...

December 18th, 2010
2:45 pm

Rafe Hollister has the best post on the board….

Michael H. Smith

December 18th, 2010
3:33 pm

Arpaio’s Draconian public safety policies do not seem to be very successful, do they?

Yep!

Michael H. Smith

December 18th, 2010
3:40 pm

Also to those who make an issue over the lawsuits Arpaio faces due to his hardline against crime, consider the fact that the VOTERS of Maricopa County continue to elect time, after time, after time, lawsuit, after lawsuit, after lawsuit so obviously they don’t have any problems with those cost. Why should they when Arpaio can run the Maricopa County system including the costs of lawsuits for less than others do without lawsuits and overcrowding at twice the cost. Answer: They don’t. They just keep electing him sheriff and smile.

Michael H. Smith

December 18th, 2010
3:52 pm

To tell you the truth Linda, I could go for a temporary restricted driver’s license for kids in high school until they earn a high school diploma or GED. If they drop-out, their last school of record has to notify the State Patrol, which will then revoke that temporary restricted driver’s license and notify the insurer of record of the license revocation.

Linda

December 18th, 2010
4:20 pm

Many are incarcerated because they thought they were entitled, that other people’s stuff belonged to them, other people who worked hard. Now, who does that remind me of? They were just expediting spreading the wealth around.
This starts in the sandbox. My mother knew exactly what to say when I said, “Mine! Mine!” that one time. “Mine” was what she decided was mine &, later, what I earned.
Liberals grew up without weeping willow trees in their backyards. When a branch came off & the leaves were removed, it was time to weep.

Michael H. Smith

December 18th, 2010
4:24 pm

Like Sammy Davis use to sing it: If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

Politics to the right of Attila the Hun

December 18th, 2010
4:47 pm

Regarding all the various lawsuits filed against Joe Arpaio by the inmates. That’s just old news. Any prison commissioner or sheriff is going to have a number of frivolous lawsuits filed against him at any one time by the prisoners. Its just part of what comes with the job.