On Ted’s Montana-size carbon footprint . . . and mouth
Ed Driscoll has a nice, succinct take-down of Ted Turner’s recent rants about everyone adopting a one-child policy in light of our “life and death” fight against climate change:
If it’s life and death, then act that way, Ted. Time to retire the private jet. Since self-described climate experts have claimed that “meat [is] making global warming worse,” time to close the giant bison ranch and restaurants. There’s a stadium in Atlanta with your name on it. Demand that they disable their lights. Although you no longer own the TV networks you built, your word still likely carries some sway there as their founder. Demand that they go off the air and close down their Websites to eliminate their carbon footprint.
And it’s some footprint.
Here are seven more things I’d like to see, to prove that you’re serious about this “life and death” issue.
Because, to paraphrase the Professor, I’ll believe that global warming is a matter of life and death when the people who tell me that it’s a matter of life and death start to act that way themselves. (links original)
Now, you could apply that take-down to lots of limousine liberals. But this one is for Ted alone:
“Now the father of five, who has often publicly regretted having so many children, [Turner] wants to extend China’s policy to the rest of us.”
I wonder if the Ted’s kids — or his ex-wives — ever ask him which child he regrets the most?
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Howard
December 8th, 2010
10:47 am
Ted Turner and Jimmy Carter are two doddering old fools that I cannot believe are given any face or mike time on TV. Who takes anything they say the least bit serious anymore??
isaiah
December 8th, 2010
10:50 am
captain outrageous is the man!
JKL2
December 8th, 2010
11:07 am
Since self-described climate experts have claimed that “meat [is] making global warming worse
Al Gore says “What???” Big Al isn’t missing any meals. That’s the other guys problem.
Libby
December 8th, 2010
11:08 am
These hypocrites just want to make rules for the rest of us that they don’t have to follow.
JKL2
December 8th, 2010
11:08 am
A benefit of all this global warming is you don’t need a grill to BBQ anymore. Just throw the steak on the plate and it cooks itself.
isaiah
December 8th, 2010
11:12 am
Jimmy Carter represents what a Christian should be….
womens team
December 8th, 2010
11:59 am
Did you ever know how much do you contribute to the Carbon emissions while using your personal computer?
bo
December 8th, 2010
12:05 pm
Rich successful liberals can be a major pain in the arse. then again, maybe he’s just being provocative
Thurston B. Howell III
December 8th, 2010
12:06 pm
Ahh Magoo…you’ve done it again
reader2145
December 8th, 2010
12:09 pm
class envy: I always thought it was liberal ploy
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
12:11 pm
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn`t buy one. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed. If a conservative is a vegetarian , he doesn’t eat meat. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone. If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect. If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him. If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host , he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down. If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!) If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his. If a conservative reads this, he’ll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh. A liberal will delete it because he’s “offended”.
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
12:15 pm
Loved this quote from the AJC’s weather story this morning:
Burns pointed out that it was 73 degrees on Thanksgiving day and that climatologists had predicted a mild fall and winter.
“But, of course, we’re getting blasted,” he said. “It looks like it’s going to stay cold through Christmas.”
They can’t accurately predict the weather a few weeks in advance, but they want us to believe their doomsday predictions years down the road. LOL.
Thurston B. Howell III
December 8th, 2010
12:18 pm
hahahaha…that Bubba is so smart
Rafe Hollister
December 8th, 2010
12:23 pm
Teddy Ballgame proves that business sense and walking around sense are inversely related.
Jimma Cotter, what can you say, a desperate old geezer trying to reinvent a poor record.
Hank Reardon
December 8th, 2010
12:25 pm
Kyle,
Do you not believe that global warming is factual?
If not, have you ever done any research about it? Talked to any experts? I went to school for civil and environmental engineering and never once had a professor deny that it’s fact…all the while giving us scientifically proven data and statistics to corroborate and sharing results of personal research that is difficult to dispute.
If you do believe it’s true, why perpetuate the myth with this silliness? I agree Ted’s a hypocrite…he should put his money where his mouth is.
As much of a free market man as I am, unfortunately the damage the industrial revolution has done to our planet is undeniable and the costs of doing business have not included necessary recompense to our fragile planet in the form of mitigation. We all can make a difference, but this denial business is choosing ignorance, my friend, and only encourages other ignorant and lazy people to not do their part. It seems natural that conservatives would believe in conserving energy and resources. I do not understand why we/they fight it tooth and nail. Just because it’s always been done this way doesn’t mean it’s the best way…
Lt. Dan
December 8th, 2010
12:25 pm
Not sure I agree with the one-child/climate change connection but ZPG will have to be in our future at some point. That is unless some global catastrophe thins the population first. Anyone with a brain understands there will be a limit to how many humans the earth can sustain.
Rafe Hollister
December 8th, 2010
12:25 pm
Bubba
You are so correct, all fall I heard how this winter was going to be warmer and drier than normal. Wrong again, weather gurus.
Hank Reardon
December 8th, 2010
12:26 pm
Bubba, there is a difference between weather and climate. Think.
Wyle Kingfield
December 8th, 2010
12:31 pm
It’s the end of the Earth as we know it…and I feel fine!
kimmer
December 8th, 2010
12:32 pm
Uh oh ted. Looks like you gotta whack about four of your offspring. Which one are you going to spare?
Sid Farcas
December 8th, 2010
12:34 pm
We should have known Teddy was loopy when he married Jane. Think about it.
Bubba, good stuff and Hank their is not much difference between weather and climate. We control neither but, the liberals want us to think we do. Keep the earth clean and recycle but, don’t get stupid.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
12:37 pm
Bubba,
Your post is laughable. Yeah, conservatives are so opened minded and never want to deny legislation that extends freedoms/ rights. Let’s see, deny’s homosexuals rights – check. Deny women’s rights and roll back Roe v Wade – check. Integrate religion into public schools/ government – check. Universal support for the Patriot Act (the most freedom-thwarting legislation in the history of this country).
It’s funny that conservatives think something liking owning a gun should be a right extended to everyone, but that the basic healthcare needs of people should not be guaranteed. Yeah, that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.
myother
December 8th, 2010
12:38 pm
I wish he’d move all his ugly billboards in GA and move them to his MO ranch. By the way, isn’t that why he moved to MO, too get away from all the ugly billboards?
PawPaw
December 8th, 2010
12:40 pm
Jane wants her own TV show & Ted wants one child per fam. they sure deserve each other
David
December 8th, 2010
12:41 pm
So am I to believe Democrats have hypocrites too?
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
12:42 pm
Dear Hank: Google Judith Curry. Then maybe you’ll think.
Bo
December 8th, 2010
12:42 pm
“I wish he’d move all his ugly billboards in GA and move them to his MO ranch. By the way, isn’t that why he moved to MO, too get away from all the ugly billboards?”
1. MO=Missouri
2. Billboards all over GA can be blamed on directly on your local legislator, most of which have gome out of theur way to support that ugly blight.
CJ
December 8th, 2010
12:43 pm
This piece reflects stupid on steroids.
We’re living through the hottest decade on record, what is likely to be the hottest year on record, Greenland and Antarctica are melting, glaciers are disappearing, and sea levels are rising.
But hey, I’ll believe that global warming is a matter of life and death when Ted Turner starts to act like it? Seriously?
———————–
Flaws found in IPCC climate change report: “It is important to point out that these are flaws or shortcomings and not errors in the sense of previously publicised mistakes in the IPCC’s AR4 report, regarding Himalayan glaciers and potential flooding in the Netherlands. However, they are nevertheless significant flaws in that they result in a potential underestimation of the impact of global warming that is indicated by the science that was available at the time.”
http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/more-flaws-found-in-ipcc-climate-change-report.html
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
12:43 pm
So Kevin, you think health care is a right?
Roekest
December 8th, 2010
12:44 pm
The hell with Ted! It’ll be a cold day in said place when I eat at another Ted’s again.
Rob
December 8th, 2010
12:44 pm
Claiming that the current cold snap is any indicator of how this winter will be is ridiculous. Winter has not started yet in case you did not realize it. Good reasoning skills there Bubba….
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
12:47 pm
Rob, the quote said “fall and winter.” I believe fall has started, in case you didn’t realize it.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
12:49 pm
Yes Bubba. I think that a humane society provides healthcare to all it’s citizens–just like the rest of the world does, sans conservatives in this country. I bet you would feel differently about healthcare if you were a helpless 7 year old with cancer whose parents had been laid off without money for healthcare. Or, are you suggesting that in that situation the parents, and not society, are morally culpable. If so, I think that’s absurd.
Bill Orvis White
December 8th, 2010
12:54 pm
There once was a guy named Adolph who engaged in population control and we know how the rest of that story turned out.
Ted and Jimmah are modern-day secular progressives who are shoving Socialist-Democrat European ideals down our throats.
Thank the Lord that neither are leaders today. If Jimmah got another term in office, we would all be speaking Arabic today.
God Bless,
Bill
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
12:55 pm
So, Kevin, if health care is a right, it has to be free, no? We don’t pay for rights. So who do you propose to provide these free services? Also, what level of health care satisfies these rights? Putting a band-aid on a cut is health care. Does that level suffice? Or does it include transplants? All for free, of course.
Mrs. Norris
December 8th, 2010
12:57 pm
Scoff all you want but the world is overpopulated and it cannot support an infinite number of humans. Nature has a way of controlling population through disease, war and starvation. We can make the decision to control our own population in a more humane way. I will not listen to environmentalists until they begin to advocate birth control. The only thing wrong with China’s policy is it’s mandated. It’s not a bad policy to promote.
Intown
December 8th, 2010
1:01 pm
Seriously Kyle? This was not a great “take-down” of Ted Turner. It was just another cuckoo rant. Putting the nutty things he says aside, Ted Turner is a great man who has done wonders for Atlanta and the State. Let’s just leave it at that rather than indulge in the age-old journalistic sport of making fun of stupid things Ted Turner says.
The Anti-Gnostic
December 8th, 2010
1:01 pm
kevin – the distinction is largely between those who believe only in negative rights (the right to be let alone, the principle of non-aggression) and those who believe in ‘positive’ rights (the right to medical care, food, social acceptance, etc.) The latter category extracts a cost which must be paid, and liberals, generally speaking, want everybody to pay it whereas conservatives, generally speaking, will tell you to pay your own freight. Obviously “liberal” and “conservative” are overbroad labels and I can think of many nominally “conservative” causes that amount to rent-seeking.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
1:02 pm
The government should pay for basic healthcare for all it’s citizens. If this means having to raise taxes, I am fine with that. However, our current healthcare system is one of the most inefficient in the world. We average 7K more per patient cost than any other country in the world while covering the fewest folks. If you want to see healthcare working, look at a country like Switzerland.
The Anti-Gnostic
December 8th, 2010
1:03 pm
Mrs. Norris
” I will not listen to environmentalists until they begin to advocate birth control.”
Likewise, I will not listen to environmentalists until they advocate restrictions on immigration.
AT
December 8th, 2010
1:05 pm
I’m penning my letter to Al Gore right now thanking him for solving global warming. It is really, really cold this morning and looks like it’s going to stay that way ’til Christmas. We owe him billions…
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
1:07 pm
So ‘basic health care’ is a right, but advanced health care isn’t? I’m confused.
Hank Reardon
December 8th, 2010
1:09 pm
bub,
googled her…so what?
she’s a believer
i agree that climatologists have some trust to earn back, but do you know exactly what the debate was about? the outcome and results are barely changed because of a couple of dummies.
again.
think.
and SID,
climate= atmospheric conditions patterns and tendencies over long periods of time
weather= current, recent, near future atmospheric conditions
the glaciers are indeed melting, and the average temps are indeed rising. google it, fellas.
it doesn’t necessarily mean that mother nature’s not just doing her thing. but chemistry tells us that the crap man spews into the atmosphere produces these reactions that lead to warmer temps.
if deniers could get out of denial by educating themselves just a little, then we could have a real conversation about just what can/should we do about it, as a species.
The Anti-Gnostic
December 8th, 2010
1:09 pm
kevin – the correct statement is, “If you want to see health care working, BE like Switzerland.” I don’t think I need to list the hundreds of ways in which the US can never be like Switzerland. I agree medical care in the US is broke and busted, but we are probably not going to agree on the reasons.
Ed Willis
December 8th, 2010
1:11 pm
Hank,
In the ’70s I was in school, with an Earth Science as my major, Class of ‘80, at that time the “experts” were concerned with the coming of a another Ice Age. By the mid ’80s Scientists were reversing themselves. Climatology is easy to predict in the past, Climate change is expected, the earth is dynamic, the next decaded who knows..your turn to think!
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
1:12 pm
Curry is a believer, but she also believes skeptics have made many valid points that should be explored, unlike most warmists.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
1:13 pm
The Anti-Gnostic,
Nice post. I understand the distinction between positive and negative rights, and the respective, stereotypical conservative and liberal views you lay out regarding them. However, I do not understand how someone who has been successful utilizing the system afforded to them in the US thinks that they owe nothing to that system–ultimately owing something to those who, for whatever reason, were unable to achieve the same success in that system.
The Anti-Gnostic
December 8th, 2010
1:15 pm
Hank – the premise that global warming rests upon is that an increase in a compound, CO2, that constitutes a tiny sliver of the atmosphere is more pivotal on climate than, say, nitrogen, water vapor, or the sun itself. You also mention glaciers. If they are melting due to AGW, then this implies a massive heat increase which the glaciers absorbed–think of a cold turkey in a hot oven–where from? how? It doesn’t pass the smell test, so your professors have to come up with all sorts of extruded mathematics and computer models to sell it to a gullible public and power-hungry government.
The Anti-Gnostic
December 8th, 2010
1:20 pm
kevin – I agree we owe something to our society, but representative democracy is a pretty fickle basis for the social contract. Very early in the process, the majority simply vote themselves transfer payments from the minority.
The Anti-Wooten
December 8th, 2010
1:26 pm
@The Anti-Gnostic 1:15:
Your post clearly indicates that, just like Lyle Wingnut, you have no idea what you’re talking about in re: climate change. Read something other than the Beck newsletter or Limbaugh Report.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
1:28 pm
The Anti-Gnostic,
I am fine with minority transferring money to the majority.
Seems to me that conservatives think that all of the money on your paycheck, taxed money included, is somehow “your money” and the government steals it and redistributes it (and occaisionally builds unnecessary things like public transit, roads, schools, etc). However, they fail to realize that they do not make money in a vacuum, but in a system–a system born of the laws and rules of this country. The level of success one achieves is directly proportional to the extent to which he/ she is able to use the system to his/ her advantage. The more you reap, the more you should pay for the system you benefit from, and ultimately, those who benefit far less.
Ditto
December 8th, 2010
1:32 pm
What Lt. Dan said at 12:25pm…
The Anti-Wooten
December 8th, 2010
1:32 pm
Kevin,
You’re attempting to explain something that sane people believe to those that inhabit the asylum, conservatives.
Hank Reardon
December 8th, 2010
1:33 pm
Bub
thank you for your rationality at 1:12
AG
why massive heat increase? all it takes to melt ice is temperatures above freezing…a difference of tenths of degrees in many areas… and it’s a (no pun intended) snowball effect from there…more icemelt water, more ice melts. the data that my professors used is based on chemical principles that are accepted by scientific communities globally.
i believe this passes the smell test.
Ed,
have you seen the graphic correlations between rising temps and the industrial revolution vs. time? have you studied atmospheric chemistry? what does it say about the relationship between CO2, Ozone, NOx, and temp? Science is in the business of getting to the truth. Just because it was wrong in the past, will you ignore new evidence and choose ignorance?
kevin
December 8th, 2010
1:34 pm
Anti-Wooten,
Haha. Thanks!
kevin
December 8th, 2010
1:35 pm
Hank Reardon,
Many of these folks also deny evolution…
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
1:41 pm
Actually, very few people deny evolution. What they deny is that one species can evolve into another.
Hank Reardon
December 8th, 2010
1:47 pm
dang, Bubba
you had me and then you lost me
thanks kevin for reminding me to check my premise
dbm
December 8th, 2010
1:47 pm
kevin
December 8th, 2010
1:13 pm
Please define “system”.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
1:48 pm
So, they deny half of evolution?! Either way, it’s moronic.
Native Atlantan
December 8th, 2010
1:51 pm
I’m a rare species in this town. I’m a native son of the Big A for 45 years (with a brief stopover in Athens). I once admired The Mouth of the South with his creation of CNN. At the time I was too politically naive when it came to liberal vs. conservative politics. None the less, CNN was a big deal. Unfortunately, Ted has gone the way of his former network – insignificant and far left. However, I do enjoy the bison at Ted’s Montana Grill. I guess we conservatives can still support capitalism even if the owner is a whack job.
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
1:51 pm
We’ve certainly evolved from cro-magnon, or neanderthal, if you believe they were of the same species. I don’t think anybody would deny that. But did apes become humans? Different question.
Hank Reardon
December 8th, 2010
1:53 pm
both different species bub
Bubba
December 8th, 2010
1:56 pm
No, cro-magnon was our species. Adios, amigos.
Rafe Hollister
December 8th, 2010
2:00 pm
Hank, check out the water vapor levels in the atmosphere. I read some research yesterday that vapor levels were unnaturally high during the last decade. Since water vapor has more of a greenhouse effect than CO2, it is causing some of the “warming”, although this research reported that the “warming” has unexpectedly stalled. Guess we all need to quit showering and slow that water vapor build up.
You can’t win this GW debate as the advocates, the ones making huge sums of money have dictated the rules of the debate. Way ahead of anyone else noticing, they are dismissing evidence that works against them. I saw recently where one GW advocate said to expect more periods of severe cold, which is caused by GW. How can you debate something, when whatever evidence you provide is discounted by saying that evidence was the result of GW. Idiocy!
kevin
December 8th, 2010
2:02 pm
Well, evolutionary theory certainly claims that humans came from apes and respected scientist in the world would deny this So, to deny this is to deny evolution.
Also, there are plenty of people who believe the story of creation in Genesis. And, many of those morons infiltrated Cobb county schools and demanded “evolution is only a theory” stickers be placed on science books and advocated teahing creationism as an option in lieu of evolution.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
2:03 pm
that should have read, “…and no respected scientist would deny this”
jconservative
December 8th, 2010
2:07 pm
This entire column can be described as follows:
It’s my ball and if you do not play by my rules I will take my ball and go home.
Juvenile at best.
glenn
December 8th, 2010
2:09 pm
In this economy I think a decline in children in this country will happen naturally . No need go all China on everyone .
wondering
December 8th, 2010
2:13 pm
It comes down to what do you believe ENOUGH to act upon it. Ted and Jimmy both talk a good game, and both put their money were their mouth goes. Check on their activities and who funds them. I’ll take them over the talkers who complain about everything and do nothing about anything any day.
A Hearty Cheese Sauce
December 8th, 2010
2:18 pm
Ted Turner is Bat Shyt crazy and probably should be commited. Smart man but crazy as a rat in a tin shythouse.
carlosgvv
December 8th, 2010
2:30 pm
Almost all of the world’s leading climatologists agree global warming is real and man-made. But, hey, we all know the big corporations know more than them, right? And, even though it would cost Big Business a great deal of money to clean up the air, we know money has nothing to do with this, right?
Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carinist)
December 8th, 2010
2:30 pm
Turner is known for speaking his mind. It’s a free country, right? Oh, and one more thing about meat. Cattle ranching is an environmental nightmare. Bison are indigenous to North America (like deer). It is not “meat” per se that destroys the environment (and the economy). I could be wrong, but I doubt Turner is the beneficiary of sweetheart grazing deals (on federal land), farm subsidies, etc. either way, he specifically noted “5,000 years” so why worry? but don’t paint him as a chicken-little claimate change loon. at least he is offering solutions.
Sid Farcas
December 8th, 2010
2:32 pm
Anti-Wooten, still believing made up data eh? Will good for you son, keep it up and be sure to track Santa on his journey from the North Pole next Friday evening.
Sid Farcas
December 8th, 2010
2:34 pm
Taking jimmy and ted for their word is like taking Mo and Curly for their opinions. Get real, both are extreme left socialist pigs. One is nuts and one is senile. Take your pick which is which.
A Hearty Cheese Sauce
December 8th, 2010
2:36 pm
carlosgvv
December 8th, 2010
2:30 pm
“Almost all of the world’s leading climatologists agree global warming is real and man-made.” Uhhh, NO, they dont.
SaveOurRepublic
December 8th, 2010
2:37 pm
Turner is “crazy”, but(like most of the Globalist Elite) is an ardent eugenicist bend on not only population “control” but reduction thereof. This is facilitated through a litany of means including toxic (mercury laden) vaccines, “frankenfoods”, etc.
SaveOurRepublic
December 8th, 2010
2:38 pm
correction above ^^^ “is NOT crazy”
shaggy
December 8th, 2010
2:39 pm
Enter your comments here
Linda
December 8th, 2010
2:42 pm
Kevin @ 2:02, You think that people who believe in the story of creation in Genesis are morons? Does that include the Founding Fathers? Have you rescinded your inalienable rights since you do not believe in the source of their endowment?
shaggy
December 8th, 2010
2:47 pm
oops, I meant to say:
Yes Ted is a hypocrite, and yes, Ted is right…to a degree.
Nah, scrap that…. we need for people to have as many kids as they can, so countries will have plenty of soldiers for the wars over resources that ARE coming. It will be very bloody, but the survivors of a blasted earth will be glad to be alive and able to harvest cockroaches to make a soup.
StJ
December 8th, 2010
2:53 pm
:rofl: I believe this is probably the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time! Yeah I wonder which kid King Ted would “spare”. Judging by the family lineage, I’d say they all have a screw loose somewhere.
Bubba 12:11 > So true.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
2:55 pm
Linda,
The founding fathers were, for the most part, not Christians. Many were diests and many thought religion was bunk. That said, at the time, science could not explain the world as it can now. Back then, there was an excuse for perhaps believing some nonsense about a day by day creation story involving creating a woman out of a man’s rib. However, to still accept that story in light of overwhelming scientific evidence is moronic at best, and insane at worst. Do you also believe the world is only 6000 years old and that we lived with dinosaurs?
Linda
December 8th, 2010
2:56 pm
carlosgvv@2:30, “…to clean up the air…” What are you talking about? The global warming debate is not about cleaning up the air. It’s to change the air. It’s not about pollution (carbon monoxide, etc.). It’s about reducing the amount of greenhouse gases, primarily carbon dioxide. Air is .039% carbon dioxide & is essential to photosynthesis. Without it & without enough of it, we all die.
Bill
December 8th, 2010
2:56 pm
Heard Turner say on TV this morning he was for increasing taxes. The he said he don’t pay any taxes, because he does not make much money anymore. So, who believes he is still worth a few billion, owns a lot of restaurants, yet claims he does not make any money to speak of.
People like Ted Turner, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffett paid about 15% dividend taxes on all the money they made, then they gave it away to charities and now speak up the we need to pay higher taxes. They all still have plenty of money, why don’t they put their money where their big mouths are and whip out a check and pay more taxes.
Evidently the U S Government is their favorite charity, but they tried their best to avoid paying taxes themselves. They still do. The hypocricy.
Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)
December 8th, 2010
3:07 pm
and another thing; somebody tell Driscoll that Turner is not longer the Braves owner (they’re owned by Liberty Media). the fact the Braves named the stadium after Turner does not make him liable for “the Ted’s” carbon footprint (and even if it does, they recycle, so it’s a “push”).
randy
December 8th, 2010
3:08 pm
conservative christians are the devil in drag…
kevin
December 8th, 2010
3:11 pm
Nice one, Randy.
Linda
December 8th, 2010
3:16 pm
Kevin @ 2:55, The progressives have been instrumental in changing our history books but not our history. Our Founding Fathers were profoundly Christians. The Declaration of Independence proves it. We were endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. You avoided my question. Have you rescinded yours?
Over 650 Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled. None have been proven false.
I have a science degree & believe that the universe & my particular world is too intricate to have been an accident or evolved from something less complicated.
randy
December 8th, 2010
3:21 pm
christianity is the root of all evil
Hank Reardon
December 8th, 2010
3:23 pm
linda,
the religious zealots have also been instrumental in changing our history books (including scriptures)…that explains all your fulfilled prophecies.
also, how did jefferson feel about christianity?
Wyle Kingfield
December 8th, 2010
3:25 pm
Believe what you want Linda and leave the rest of us alone.
The Anti-Wooten
December 8th, 2010
3:27 pm
Linda, my creators were my mother and father. As far as your “science degree” let me just speculate that if you took your current atitude into a college classroom today you’d lose your HOPE the very first year. Invisible Sky Fairies and the weak minded that follow them are the cause of many of the problems we have in this world.
randy
December 8th, 2010
3:29 pm
clapton is god
kevin
December 8th, 2010
3:32 pm
Nice point, Hank. In the beginning of Christianity, gnostics (who viewed Jesus as an elightenment figure like Siddhartha Buddha) were the most popular Christian sect. However, in the end they were systematically wiped out. After over 100 gospels and other texts were ignored by the council of nicea, who determined the modern day bible, you have your book.
Also, how do you reconcile the fact that your all knowing, all good, all powerful God created a world wrought with evil. He allows for grave injustice, homocide, babies with cancer, genocide, etc. If your God exists, he sure is hell is not the all good, all knowing all powerful God you have in mind. At best, he’s an ego-maniacal jerk.
BS Aplenty
December 8th, 2010
3:36 pm
Ted Turner was a superb businessman and visionary on media matters and a guy without a clue on many others.
Wyle Kingfield
December 8th, 2010
3:41 pm
You are right on point BS. Ted states as much in his book. It’s a good read, especially if you have lived in Atlanta for a while.
MTinMO
December 8th, 2010
3:43 pm
Jimmy Carter has done so much good since leaving office and has done so quietly, following his heart and religious conviction. He is a man that to this day, at his age, can be found in a hard hat swinging a hammer- helping to built another Habitat for Humanity home. He is a respected voice overseas, where he continues to work for the good of people. You don’t have to agree with him but he is someone who has earned respect due to his actions.
I believe Ted Turner is speaking about this time in our life- not about history. At the time he was fathering children, the world was not concerned about global warming nor carbon footprints. I believe too, that the bison that Turner raises are less of a footprint than cattle, therefore are more than likely to have less of an effect on the planet. After all, bison were here before all the people other than the Native Americans and are therefore more native to the land than cattle were. Bison are generally not fed the cattle feed that cows get, making them less of a threat. Their meat is healthier than beef as it is leaner and better for you.
I was listening to Ted Turner on an interview the other day and he was speaking of us humans going forward, as in we need to look at how to better manage. The Chinese government mandated the one child limit, which is not what Turner was suggesting at all. It is more like responsible people need to understand that for each child you give birth to you increase your families footprint. Those who are doing “quiver-fulls” are only interested in having enough children of their religion to be able to outnumber the rest of us one day in the future. Responsible people look at the affordability of having children and your ability to take care of them. Of course with so many children that are already here and need homes there is no reason people can’t open their hearts and homes to hold not only their birth child(ren) but to adopted children as well.
I think Ted Turner and Jimmy Carter are both telling people to think about their consequences with what they do to this world. I would love to be able to use alternative energy like sun and wind to provide my heat and cooling rather than paying for energy of any other kind. I am surprised so many people react so venomously to what they have said. They both have been successful men and done what they set out to do and are trying to help make a difference now. I don’t know what is to hate about that.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 8th, 2010
3:44 pm
I always find it humorous to be lectured about my “carbon footprint” by someone whose “footprint” is many times greater than mine.
If you visit the area where Ted’s ranch is, you’ll find the locals have a pretty low opinion of him. Something about taking off a mountaintop to get a better view, among other things.
The Anti-Wooten
December 8th, 2010
3:46 pm
Hillbilly,
Why all of the wealth and class envy?
Darwin
December 8th, 2010
3:46 pm
“If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.” Or he invents Fox News.
Grasshopper
December 8th, 2010
3:48 pm
‘It’s funny that conservatives think something liking owning a gun should be a right extended to everyone, but that the basic healthcare needs of people should not be guaranteed. Yeah, that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.’
Dumbest post of the day Kevin.
Conservatives aren’t enacting laws that demand everyone buy a gun from a private company or else pay a fine to the IRS.
Shame On You
December 8th, 2010
3:50 pm
@ randy
“conservative christians are the devil in drag…”
Most conservative christians are actually black evangelicals. You just made a racist comment!
Mental Floss
December 8th, 2010
3:52 pm
“If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.” Or he invents Fox News.
That’s great for you liberals since you make up a very large portion of the Fox News audience and conservative talk radio. Way to go libs for making conservative media #1!
Linda
December 8th, 2010
4:00 pm
Hank@3:23, Jefferson was a man of deep religious conviction. In his own words in his letter to the Danbury Baptists, he said, “…I contemplate with sovereign reverence…I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common father and creator of man…”
kevin
December 8th, 2010
4:07 pm
Grasshopper,
I am not entirely happy with the proposed healthcare initiative, but the uninsured cost the healthcare system billions of dollars, thereby driving up healthcare costs, insurance costs, etc. By making people be insured, you regulate the out of control system.
On a moral note, I think it’s reprehensible to live in a society with the resources we have, and not provide our fellow citizens with healthcare. Only conservatives in this country think otherwise–the rest of the western world subscribes to my view.
randy
December 8th, 2010
4:09 pm
jesus just left chicago and he’s bound for new orleans…
kevin
December 8th, 2010
4:11 pm
Linda,
Perhaps you should read a bit more about Jefferson on religion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_religion
JF McNamara
December 8th, 2010
4:12 pm
Yes, Turner’s a hypocrite, but he’s also known to be quite eccentric. No on is listening to him, so there is no need to be mean about it.
SaveOurRepublic
December 8th, 2010
4:18 pm
Jefferson was spot on regarding the bank$ters, our individual liberties, states’ rights & one of the greatest founding fathers. He wavered religously between Episcopalism, Unitarianism, & Deism. However, many other Founding Fathers were more ardent in Christianity…like John Jay who stated “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”.
Linda
December 8th, 2010
4:22 pm
Anti-Wooten @ 3:27, Our procreators & our Creator are not one in the same & without the latter, the former would not be possible. Students who can’t spell attitude don’t deserve the HOPE. My belief that the universe was created by a higher power seems more credible than those who believe they simply fell off a turnip truck. For your sake, I hope that you are right.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
4:30 pm
Linda,
I believed that some version of the big bang is correct, that human being are part of the evolutionary chain and that the earth is millions of years old. It’s called science, not falling off a turnip truck. You believe a story that could be swapped out for a children’s book story, and to someone unfamiliar with the bible, he/ she would not know the difference between your story and the children’s book story.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
4:31 pm
That should have read, “I believe that some version of the big bang is correct, that human beings are part…”
randy
December 8th, 2010
4:38 pm
Aslan is on the move
Linda
December 8th, 2010
4:55 pm
Kevin @ 4:11, Wikipedia is an unreliable source for any topic. My quotes above were from Jefferson himself. Here are more:
“The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time.”
“The constitutional freedom of religion (is) the most inalienable & sacred of all human rights.”
“Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our govt. has
been founded & its rights asserted.”
Jefferson believed that religion was of a private nature & was as much against govt. meddling in religion as religion meddling in govt.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
5:07 pm
Linda,
There are 42 footnotes referencing primary texts on that wikipedia page. Sure, some wikipedia pages can have misses, but come on…check the primary sources if you wish.
Jefferson was a skeptical deist at best. Your citing quotes out of context is pretty unconvincing as evidence of anything Jefferson believed.
Linda
December 8th, 2010
5:09 pm
Kevin @ 4:30, There still has to be a beginning. What was it? What did you evolve from & what did it evolve from, etc. If the earth is millions of yrs. old, what did it evolve from trillions of yrs. ago? What was the beginning? Was it all an accident?
kevin
December 8th, 2010
5:13 pm
As I said piror, I believe some version of the big bang theory which simply defined is:
The theory that the universe originated sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from the cataclysmic explosion of a small volume of matter at extremely high density and temperature
kevin
December 8th, 2010
5:18 pm
Linda,
If you believe there was an intelligent designer–some all good, all knowing, all powerful God, then how do you account for all of the evil in the world, e.g. homocide, infant death, genocide, and on and on? Either your God is not who you think he is or does not exist. But, the problem of evil in the world makes it logically impossible for your God to be all powerful, all good, and all knowing.
Linda
December 8th, 2010
6:07 pm
Kevin, You still have not explained the beginning. This explosive material, matter & temperature had to originate from something & somewhere & some reason.
Science is responsible for many things but it’s difficult to explain love, beauty, conscience, compassion, hope, etc. as resulting from an accident/explosion millions of years ago.
Our Creator gave us self-will. That’s what makes us a little higher than animals (sometimes). We are free to kill & steal from each other, envy our neighbors, lie & cheat. It’s up to us to decide how to live our lives, not God.
People ask God for stuff & outcomes but we don’t always know the whole plan. I have always prayed for challenges & problems to come my way because, in my line of work, if I or other people didn’t have them, I would not have had a job.
BS Aplenty
December 8th, 2010
6:28 pm
Linda, while I can’t solve your philosophical problem with Kevin, I agree with you that the precepts of Christianity permeated society at our country’s founding and continues through today. I, therefor, must give Christianity, as practiced by its best adherents, high marks for it’s many moderating and beneficial effects on our country.
Now, I must deploy…
Ghetto Grandpa
December 8th, 2010
7:56 pm
Its cold outside, ergo there is no such thing as global warming.
Although record hot summers are not proof that the climate is getting warmer, a cold, snowy day is absolute proof that global warming is all based on junk science. Just ask Kyle – he’s an expert.
kevin
December 8th, 2010
9:41 pm
Linda,
I am not sure why explosive matter needs explanation. It does not follow from the fact that science cannot adequately explain every cause sufficiently, that an extraneous cause must exist. That’s the formula for conspiracy theory, i.e. because something is not fully explained there must be something strange behind it. In any case, the bible says nothing about explosive matter. On the contrary, it has a story about “on this day, God made such and such”, and then finally made woman, for man, out of his rib.
As far as love, a conscience, compassion, etc., you do not need God to explain these things. Societies, the nature of human beings and their interaction breeds these things (at least sometimes).
By self-will, I presume you mean freewill. If God is all knowing, how are we free? He knows all that will happen; so, it follows or freewill is merely a figment of our imagination. And even if you do not buy that, God, being all powerful, could have made the world any way he chose. Why not make a world in which everyone acts kindly, lovingly and compassionately vs. the world he created filled with conflict and unnecessary death and drastically unfair circumstances?
One final thought. When someone might thank God for his son being saved from illness, I thank a doctor. When someone thanks God for someone who recovers from drugs and poverty, I thank the people that helped him. Giving God credit for the things human beings achieve not only thwarts our value as human beings, but reaffirms the idea that all good things come from God and all evils come from us. But again, this is bunk since God could have created any world he wanted; namely, a world in which no evil existed.
Linda
December 8th, 2010
9:45 pm
Ghetto Grandpa, Did you read Kyle’s article before you commented? He did not say that global warming is based on junk science. He has never held himself out as an expert. Are you? Kyle quoted another author who seems to be accusing Turner of hypocrisy, like most of the global warming alarmists. Do you disagree?
kevin
December 8th, 2010
9:50 pm
Ghetto Grandpa,
“Its cold outside, ergo there is no such thing as global warming.
Although record hot summers are not proof that the climate is getting warmer, a cold, snowy day is absolute proof that global warming is all based on junk science.”
Clearly, you show a commanding knowledge of the effects of global warming. Congrats on having the most uninformed, vapid post of the day.
Linda
December 8th, 2010
10:54 pm
Kevin @ 9:41, The Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” Christians believe that the universe, the planets & mankind are not here by accident, that they are here by the specific design & plan of God.
Your explanation is that an explosion occurred, that science can’t explain it nor doesn’t need to explain it nor where it came from or why.
Do you really think we went from a “cataclysmic explosion of a small volume of matter at extremely high density & temperatures” (your words) to a people of “love, beauty, conscience, compassion & hope” (my words) for no apparent reason? Do you think that “societies, the nature of human beings & their interaction breed these things” (your words) by evolution & by accident?
God gave us free will. He does not know what we will do or what will happen. He told us what we should do, but we have freedom of choice.
You are getting the world & Heaven mixed up. Our life on earth, whether it’s a few days or decades, is merely a test to reach Heaven.
Yes, there are doctors who do not believe in God/a higher being. However, most believe their talents are God-given & I thank God for them.
Christians believe earth & Heaven are
Our life on earth is temporary, be it days or decades.
Linda
December 8th, 2010
10:58 pm
Kevin @ 9:50, Why do you believe in global warming? Did you believe in global cooling in the ’70’s?
Hank Reardon
December 9th, 2010
11:11 am
Linda gets the hypocrite prize of the day.
Believe in the word of god, but pick and choose as necessary.
cripes…
you choose ignorance, missy
kevin
December 9th, 2010
5:52 pm
Linda,
One fundamental difference we have is that you refer to natural processes like evolution as accidents in the absence of God. I see things like evolution as examples of the way nature works–end of story. I do not need to think it was planned or created and I cannot understand why anyone would. In sum, you suggest God is necessary to give reason to way nature works. I just accept that’s the way nature works.
You say “Most [doctors] believe their talents are god-given” — how in the world could you possibly know that.
As far global warming is concerned only the likes of Fox News morons like Glen Beck, Sean Hannity and their listeners deny it’s existence and man’s role in it. There is over 90% consensus in the scientific community that global warming is, at least in part, a man made problem. Like evolution, it’s scientific fact.