Multiculturalism gets das boot

When even the Germans are giving up on the concept, everyone else needs to sit up and pay attention. From the Associated Press:

Germany’s attempt to create a multi-cultural society has failed completely, Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the weekend, calling on the country’s immigrants to learn German and adopt Christian values.

Merkel weighed in for the first time in a blistering debate sparked by a central bank board member saying the country was being made “more stupid” by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim migrants.

“Multikulti”, the concept that “we are now living side by side and are happy about it,” does not work, Merkel told a meeting of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party at Potsdam near Berlin.

“This approach has failed, totally,” she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany’s culture and values.

“We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don’t accept them don’t have a place here,” said the chancellor.

“Subsidizing immigrants” isn’t sufficient, Germany has the right to “make demands” on them, she added, such as mastering the language of Goethe and abandoning practices such as forced marriages.

The “Christian values” thing is sure to rankle some people, but Merkel is talking about cultural norms that stem from religion, not religious conversion; the above reference to forced marriages is one example. One thing I think Americans don’t always appreciate about our immigration patterns, versus Europe’s, is that our Hispanic immigrants by and large share with us a common faith, and everything that goes along with that.

All that said, wouldn’t it be nice if the governments in the countries from which they emigrate spoke like the Turkish official quoted in the same AP article?

Turkish President Abdullah Gul, in a weekend interview, also urged the Turkish community living in Germany to master the language of their adopted country.

“When one doesn’t speak the language of the country in which one lives that doesn’t serve anyone, neither the person concerned, the country, nor the society,” the Turkish president told the Suedeutsche Zeitung.

“That is why I tell them at every opportunity that they should learn German, and speak it fluently and without an accent. That should start at nurseries.”

* And yes, I know “boot” in German means “boat,” not a type of shoe. Call it poetic headline license.

163 comments Add your comment

Tychus Findlay

October 18th, 2010
10:37 am

Well at least Angela Merkel loves her country enough to stand up for its national identity. Wish I could say the same about America, but B.O. is busy on his worldwide apology tour and cameo-ing on MythBusters.

AngryRedMarsWoman

October 18th, 2010
10:38 am

About damn time somebody said this. If you want to move to another country you need to generally adopt the norms of that country…period. If you do not want to adopt the general norms of a country…um, don’t move there. For example, I don’t want to be covered head to toe and stoned to death if I drive a car or am found in the company of a man who is not in my family…therefore, I don’t plan to move to Saudi Arabia. See how easy that is?

JKL2

October 18th, 2010
10:39 am

Great article Kyle.

The problem with immegration is that not everyone wants to be a citizen. We were the great melting pot. Now the libs get all insulted at the fact someone thinks they should change.

Thurston B. Howell III

October 18th, 2010
11:21 am

Just march them to Oklahoma. Problem solved.

Jefferson

October 18th, 2010
11:25 am

Live and let live.

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2010
11:36 am

I had a student the other day, demonstrate the PC crap that is being taught in our schools. She said, “America is NOT a melting pot. It’s a salad.”

What a bunch of indoctrinated poo!!!! So how do you get all the ingredients to work together if it is a salad? Answer…..you don’t, and the country fails

Thurston B. Howell III

October 18th, 2010
11:45 am

Pour 1000 Island on the salad and it works.

carlosgvv

October 18th, 2010
11:54 am

Multicultralism looks good on paper and give that warm fuzzy feeling when contemplating it. Unfortunately, when put into practice it’s true colors are revealed and the country turn into a mess. I’m glad the Germans are learning this. I fear America never will.

Steve

October 18th, 2010
12:26 pm

As put by Teddy Roosevelt:
“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

Bryan G.

October 18th, 2010
12:32 pm

So…you’re saying America should follow Germany’s example on race relations? Uhhh…..

Thurston B. Howell III

October 18th, 2010
12:34 pm

Show us your papers………

Intown

October 18th, 2010
12:58 pm

I’m not sure this has been framed properly. I don’t think multi-culuturalism was ever about not having any assimilation. It is about tolerance of the other and exchange of cultural ideas. Immigration always creates tension. In America, (a nation made up almost entirely of immigrants and those immigrants descendants!) immigrants have assimiliated but, they have also molded the overall culture. It’s no accident it took until 2010 for a nation dominated by male W.A.S.P.S. (the majority culture of our founding populations and gender in power) to have its slowest changing institution (the Supreme Court) to made up entirely of Catholics and Jews with 1 black and 3 women.

I think the bottom line is that Kyle is a bit of racist. When you put this column together with the one about the “Ground Zero Mosque”, you’ve got to wonder.

MarkC

October 18th, 2010
1:01 pm

It is Germany Kyle. You know….where they decided to incinerate all those Jews. Heil Kyle!

Gale

October 18th, 2010
1:02 pm

A lot of America’s immigrant problems would be diffused if the immigrants would simply learn to speak English. Why, I ask you, should I, while living in Atlanta, be asked to “press one to hear English” for a phone message?

MarkC

October 18th, 2010
1:06 pm

I lived in Mexico for 8 years and not one time was I told I had to become a Mexican or give up my American culture or heritage. You bigots need to crawl back under the rock you slithered out from under. I’m glad as hell they’re all here. Having to spend 100% of my time with you culturally stupid morons would be boring as hell.

DebbieDoRight

October 18th, 2010
1:07 pm

From the AP Link: A recent study by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think tank showed around one-third of Germans feel the country is being “over-run by foreigners” and the same percentage feel foreigners should be sent home when jobs are scarce.

It seems that Germany is back to saying the same things that Hitler said a few decades earlier. I guess History really CAN repeat itself. Over, and over and over and over……..

Gale

October 18th, 2010
1:09 pm

MarkC, do enlighten us. What sort of work were you doing? Did you stand on a corner and seek day labor?

DebbieDoRight

October 18th, 2010
1:10 pm

I think the bottom line is that Kyle is a bit of racist.

Kyle would probably say that he’s actually “saving America” etc. You know, the same crap that David Duke and the Aryan Nation folks say all the time……..

MarkC

October 18th, 2010
1:16 pm

Happened to be a Military Attache in the U.S. Embassy Gale. Later worked for a multi-national corporation there. And by the way Gale. Since you seem to be such an authority. Why does anyone stand on a corner and seek day labor? Must be a demand huh Gale. And where is that demand coming from Gale? Could it be from folks just like you?

Carl Davis

October 18th, 2010
1:22 pm

People like Gale make me want to puke. Talk out of both sides of their face. Trash these people and then reap the benefit of their labor every time they buy vegetables. Of course I bet Gale looks for the picked by an American label on all her/his products. I bet she/he carefully insures that “illegal” are not involved when they try to save a buck or two having things done around the house too. You’re funny as hell Gale. LMAO!

Gale

October 18th, 2010
1:23 pm

Since I just had some work done on my home by a local contractor, who has employees that have been on staff for an average of ten years and are all American or documented, btw, no, the demand for day labor does not come from me. My point, MarkC, was that you probably were not in the same category as the flood of undereducated, unskilled workers here and in Germany and elsewhere. As you yourself pointed out, you worked with Americans and others in Mexico. I don’t imagine any of them were eager to toss away their culture because they completely expected to return home some day. The problems come from those who intend to stay in a new country, but do not choose to adopt the language or culture of their new home.

Carl Davis

October 18th, 2010
1:28 pm

Gale are you so ignorant as not to realize that a hell of a lot of the reasonable cost of living you enjoy is because of their labor. If not for them a large number of people couldn’t afford to buy vegetables. How about that $10.00 head of cabbage or lettuce Gale? And it’s been proven time and again that lazy ass Americans aren’t going to pick their own food. Get a grip Gale. Or better yet pull your head out of your azz.

Gale

October 18th, 2010
1:30 pm

I can say quite honestly that I would expect the price of food to go up if no one hired illegals to do the work cheap. I would pay the increase. Our immigration rules are bad. We need to improve the rules. It takes far too long to become a citizen. But to come here over the border or overstay a visa is wrong. It spits in the face of those who follow the rules. We just celebrated a new citizen in our office. It is a difficult process. If someone only wants to come here for work and then return home, I am ok with that too. There are rules and a process for that. Employers who knowingly hire illegals should do jail time. The fines don’t seem to work as deterent.

Gale

October 18th, 2010
1:32 pm

So we should turn a blind eye to illegal immigration because some people wouldn’t otherwise be able to afford vegetables?

Carl Davis

October 18th, 2010
1:34 pm

Who gets to do all those jobs that require undereducated and unskilled laborers Gale. Give me one shred of documented proof that Americans are just lining up to gut fish down at the Farmer’s Market. And furthermore what is it that scares you culturally challenged nativists so badly every time you hear another language spoken. Why does this country insist on remaining so culturally ignorant. Maybe some of you nativist need to take some Spanish courses to broaden your horizons slightly. In fact it might come in handy when you are working for them someday.

Carl Davis

October 18th, 2010
1:36 pm

You’d be the first hypocrite crying about your high cost of living Gale.

DandyDon

October 18th, 2010
1:39 pm

I don’t feel threatened by them in the least. You bigots that despise them are a bigger threat then any of them will ever be. How can a group that is less than 1% of the populace be such a threat to some of you? Get real.

Javier

October 18th, 2010
1:47 pm

Unbelievable how such a small percent of the population can scare the living sh%t out of so many others. Most of those others being white I might add. It’s all about the brown isn’t Gale? That’s what you have a problem with. Man up. Just come right out and say it. Of course anyone that’s so scared of .08% of the population isn’t about to do anything requiring the guts to do that. Right Gale?

Mr. Holmes

October 18th, 2010
2:04 pm

“Germany gives up on multiculturalism.” Seems like the Germans have tried that before, haven’t they?

Pretty surprised this article was posted at all, much less held up as some kind of blueprint for the U.S. to follow. It’s funny how the people who harp the most on “American exceptionalism” are the first to jettison some of the things that truly make us exceptional, like cultural openness and tolerance. Or, oh I don’t know, like the commitment not to torture people.

JF McNamara

October 18th, 2010
2:05 pm

Since you wrote this article, I’m guessing you are endorsing this for America. I always thought that Republicans were the party of Freedom. I guess, as I’ve always suspected, you are only free to do whatever the Republicans tell you. Just kidding, I always knew.

So where does forcing people to “integrate” stop, Kyle? Once we’ve torn up the Bill of Rights and Constitution to stop the evil immigrants from speaking Spanish, what else do we fix?

The only thing wrong with immigration anywhere is fear. Our immigrants come over, don’t learn English, and get along just fine. If it’s in their best interest to learn English, they will. The natives are terrified that after the immigrants cut their grass, cook their food, harvest their crops and build their house, they will then destroy America. Give me a break.

In addition, you’ve fallen trap to news bias. There are many, many instances where immigrants everywhere have assimilated. Probably 99% of all immigrants are peacefully integrated into their society. People dwell on headlines to show how bad immigration is, when its really a non-issue from the violence/English point of view.

CJ

October 18th, 2010
2:10 pm

With regard to religion, the assertion that the Muslim faith, generally, doesn’t share many of the basic values that Christian’s (and non-Christians alike) hold dear is a myth that Kyle perpetuates here today out of ignorance, hate, or some combination thereof.

On the issue of language, my Mom was born and raised in Louisville, Kentucky–specifically in a community called Germantown. I wonder how this area got it’s name?

If my point isn’t obvious, the fact is that throughout our country’s history, first generation immigrants frequently and understandably choose to live in communities with other immigrants from their home countries because, well, it’s hard and they’re home sick. Of course, they also struggled with English (especially if they have a limited education) because, well, learning a second language is hard too.

Such difficulties are not a Mexican or Muslim thing. They’re an immigrant thing and many, if not most, of our ancestors had the same difficulties–even if we pretend otherwise.

This piece is a new low for Kyle.

Cutty

October 18th, 2010
2:12 pm

Separation of Church and State, or only when its to your liking?

Daedalus

October 18th, 2010
2:12 pm

Speak any language you like, so long as its English.

Belong to any religion you like, so long as its Christianity.

Paint your house any color you like, so long as its white.

Uniformity is the way. GOP is the answer.

mike

October 18th, 2010
2:12 pm

Thurston B. Howell III Just march them to Oklahoma. Problem solved. Question please. Would this be like the Trail of Tears the settlers did for the Native Americans? You remember the people who were already living here when Christopher and those other immgrants from the jails and slums of Europe discovered land these people were already living on. And maybe Germany can start another cleansing since they seem to be pretty good at it.

JKL2

October 18th, 2010
2:15 pm

Diversity is great as long as we are all working toward a common goal. People who are not willing to join your team do not have your best interest in mind. They are just parasites living within the system we created.

AngryRedMarsWoman

October 18th, 2010
2:22 pm

MarkC October 18th, 2010 1:06 pm
“I lived in Mexico for 8 years and not one time was I told I had to become a Mexican or give up my American culture or heritage.”

And were you planning to stay there, Mark, to become a citizen of Mexico? No, you were just a guest? And when you went to public establishments or government agencies did you speak to then in English or Spanish? If you had to call a government agency or business, did they ask you to Press 1 if you wanted to continue in Spanish or Press 2 if you wanted to continue in English? And if you were to spend some time in Europe would you drive on the right-hand side of the road because you don’t need to conform to their way of doing things? No, thought not.

Nobody is telling anyone to give up their cultural heritage. The mixing of cultures is ones of the things that makes our nation so great. Having everyone speak one language is important too — I would hazard a guess that if you didn’t speak a decent amount of Spanish before you went to Mexico you worked really hard to pick it up right quick once you got there.

This is not about the issue of legal versus illegal immigration, although I think some would like it to be. It is about immigration, period. My belief is that if you want to move to live in a new country (not just be there to work, but actually pick up all of your stuff and move with the intention of staying indefinitely), then it should be because you want to be a part of that country and that should include speaking the language spoken by a majority of its citizens and abiding by the general mores and customs (like, not stoning people or like making sure you drive on the right side of the road). There is not anything racist about believing that, sorry.

Lovey Howell

October 18th, 2010
2:25 pm

Vegetable prices (yes, picked predominantly by immigrants, some legal, some illegal) are but a fraction of the total equation. I’d pay more for vegetables if my health insurance (yes, illegals do consume lots of medical services they don’t pay for), taxes (yes, they consume lots of other services, many stupidly given by our government in attempts to win them over as future voters, but also jails, courts, etc.), and other costs were reduced as a result of providing more services for illegal immigrants than they pay. Shucks, I don’t even like brussel sprouts, collard greens, boiled peanuts, and a few other items.

And the next time someone is murdered by an illegal immigrant or killed in a car crash with someone here illegally, why don’t all you people who think our borders should be open take a trip to a widowed family’s house and explain it to some fatherless/motherless children, etc.

abc

October 18th, 2010
2:25 pm

As far as hiring Hispanics, legal or illegal, for residential contracting/construction/renovation: every white southerner I’ve hired screwed me over, and every Hispanic contractor did what they said they would do. In a couple of cases I cut the white southern contractor out and paid their Hispanic workers directly, at the same rate. I will favor Hispanic labor over white southern redneck labor EVERY TIME.

AngryRedMarsWoman

October 18th, 2010
2:28 pm

“Such difficulties are not a Mexican or Muslim thing. They’re an immigrant thing and many, if not most, of our ancestors had the same difficulties–even if we pretend otherwise.”

I don’t see anyone pretending that our ancestors didn’t have integration problems. What I see is people acknowleding that each group that has come to America has had problems, some worse than others but problems nonetheless, and wondering why some people in the more recent groups of immigrants (legal and illegal) don’t seem to even want to try to assimilate. I left NY for GA because I liked GA, not because I wanted to make it like NY — so now I call a “pop” a “soda” or a “coke” — see how that works, see how I adapted to the customs of the area rather than insisting that the people here change their ways to suit me?

JKL2

October 18th, 2010
2:30 pm

Speak any language you like, so long as one of them is English.

Belong to any religion you like, so long as you live by the Christian values our country was founded upon.

Paint your house any color you like, so long as its white. (must have missed that one since I’m living in my 4th house and none of them have been white. You must be talking about the free white paint the government gives away.)

If you enjoy freedom, GOP is the answer. Authorwise–if you vote Democrat–sit at home and wait for the government to tell you what to do because you’re too stupid to know what’s best for you.

Mishap

October 18th, 2010
2:30 pm

Gale,
Unless you built your own home, you probably can’t verify that illegal hands didn’t touch it. Even if illegals didn’t necessarily build your exact home, their low labor cost had a huge influence in new home inventory and shifting of prices so they had some macro effect short of you building it from the ground up w/ materials you milled from raw forest.

Xenophobia is as American as apple pie. Then again apple pie isn’t exactly American but in times of economic distress, it sure is nice to have a scapegoat. Don’t forget at one point, there was widespread hatred of the Irish and virtually every other culture/race that showed up on US shores suffered the same treatment. Don’t forget the Chinese Exclusion Act and other attempts to keep “American culture” pure. Pretty much every single person save Native Americans are immigrants. Of course Mexicans have a lot of Native American heritage so calling them illegal immigrants a bit of a misnomer.

AngryRedMarsWoman

October 18th, 2010
2:40 pm

“Of course Mexicans have a lot of Native American heritage so calling them illegal immigrants a bit of a misnomer.”

No, actually, it is not. Please stop with the whole “Native American Indians are the only true citizens of the USA and the rest of us should kill ourselves because our ancestors were pieces of crap” stuff. Please. The original settlers acquired the land through purchase or force, right or wrong. Since that time, our nation and many others have formed through the establishment of recognized international political boundaries and those must be respected if there is to be order in the world. There are also accepted processes for properly crossing those boundaries. If you do not follow those processes, or if you do and then overstay, you are in that sovereign nation unlawfully. I am sorry if the concept of national boundaries offends some people who seem to think we should all just hold hands and be one big happy world family. Believe me, there are others who would prefer that the breakdown of borders (and order) would occur, but not because they want to hold hands and sing with you…..

Steve

October 18th, 2010
2:40 pm

Requiring immigrants learn and use the English language while in America is not about being scared. It is about asking those people staying in our country to speak the language that the citizens of this country use.
The last time I was in Tijuana, I don’t recall any signs giving information in English sub-text.

jd

October 18th, 2010
2:43 pm

Big difference between a country founded based on native ethnic groups (that be Germany) and one colonized by many different ethnic groups for the explicit purpose of escaping culture, religion, language, and lifestyle regulation by their government. So, we now wish to become what our forefathers chose to abandon when they came here?

coaltrader07

October 18th, 2010
2:47 pm

It has failed in America too. If America really saw all the heinous crimes being committed in this country by minorities then they would surely reject the concept but as of today liberal/jewish owned media where the concept originates anyway hides the race of the criminal suspects in most cases or fails to mention them all together. Regardless America is wising up.

Tired of BS

October 18th, 2010
2:51 pm

Truth time. Most races do segregate themselves by choice. Currently, we have blacks wanting to go to all black schools, their own proms, they already have their own Miss America, their own colleges, and their own icons. In the black community this is not a problem. It’s only a problem if it’s done by whites.

I’m so tired of all the racial political bs too. I believe it was Abe Lincoln who made some refrence to the fact that while he wanted the slaves freed, he didn’t want to marry one.

Ethnic, racial, religious, and cultural differences are always going to separate people.

JKL2

October 18th, 2010
2:51 pm

jd- So, we now wish to become what our forefathers chose to abandon when they came here?

People who came to this country used to want to become American. Now they just want our money. Big difference.

JF McNamara

October 18th, 2010
2:54 pm

Steve and Others:

“Requiring immigrants learn and use the English language while in America is not about being scared. ”

Well why do you care at all? I’m not affected one bit by immigrants not learning English, and it doesn’t bother me one iota. I don’t care what they do.

American businesses and government had a choice offer Mexican and English subtext and they did. If you are mad about it, you should not go to any business that offers the service or protest through your representative. You should be mad at them not immigrants. If an immigrant wants to learn English, its their choice. Its just like its your choice to learn to read or not.

colonel nathan r. jessup - USMC

October 18th, 2010
2:55 pm

I use words like honor, code, loyalty. I use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to all of you who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it!!! Are we clear? Are we clear???!!!!

JF McNamara

October 18th, 2010
2:58 pm

coaltrader07,

You are poorly informed. The rates of murder and rape (heinous crimes) are the exact same rate as they were in 1960. I pulled the data and ran it myself so that I could have the facts. You know, so I could have an informed opinion. As a society, there’s been no change. There’s just been a rise in News programs covering heinous crimes.

In fact, since the white population is decline while the heinous crime rate is static, you could say that increased diversity lowered the heinous crime rate.