Sanford Bishop: Politics is ‘all about’ the pork

I don’t think this is what I would have said if I were being investigated for the way I had granted scholarship money from a political fund. From the Albany Herald (via Peach Pundit):

ALBANY, Ga. — U.S. Rep. Sanford Bishop Jr., D-Albany, gave his definition of the word “politics” to the Kiwanis Club of Dougherty County at a luncheon Monday at the Hilton Garden Inn.

“Politics is all about who gets what, when and how,” Bishop said.

OK, so only the truly naive would deny that this is at least partly true. But how truly oblivious to today’s political atmosphere must you be to make pork-barrel politics the central theme in your re-election bid? Even if you aren’t under an investigation like the one mentioned above?

“You have to remember that these our your tax dollars I am bringing back to the area,” Bishop said. “I will never apologize for doing my job for the people of the district. It is crucial to have an elected official in place that can make things happen.

“And I am using every tool that I am empowered with for the people of the 2nd District.”

Well, if they truly are the tax dollars of the 2nd District coming back to the people of the 2nd District, isn’t there a chance that the people of the 2nd District would rather keep them in the first place?

Folks, this is the difference between liberals and conservatives today, in high definition.

The first group defines politics as taking your money, deciding “who gets what, when and how,” and selling themselves as the best people to make sure the “who” is you.

The second group wants to cut out the middle man, paying for only the essentials of government (which doesn’t include the hog trough) and letting you keep as much of the money you’ve earned as possible.

It doesn’t get much clearer than that.

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AmVet

September 16th, 2010
1:00 pm

“The second group wants to cut out the middle man, paying for only the essentials of government (which doesn’t include the hog trough) and letting you keep as much of the money you’ve earned as possible.”

Kyle, have you considered stand up comedy?

Normal

September 16th, 2010
1:09 pm

The second group wants to cut out the middle man, paying for only the essentials of government (which doesn’t include the hog trough) and letting you keep as much of the money you’ve earned as possible.

If you REALLY believe that…well, you are beyond naive…

Kyle Wingfield

September 16th, 2010
1:15 pm

OK, guys, so what do you think conservatives stand for?

AmVet

September 16th, 2010
1:24 pm

With all due respect, if I could find one, I’d let you know.

The current crop of Republicans are in many ways the very antithesis of traditional American conservatism.

Traditional American conservatives would never have endorsed either the Bush or Cheney Doctrines. Or the Bush Crusades.

There are MANY other examples, and I am not nearly alone anymore in this damning accusation of the once Grand Old Party. Which BTW I contend still holds the hope for a resurrected America. Not the Dems. But first the neo-cons have to be thrown out, lock, stock and barrel…

But for some other specifics, read what Dr. Paul has to say on the subject, Kyle. Which flies in the face of what you just wrote:

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=3887

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BS Aplenty

September 16th, 2010
1:26 pm

I thought you encapsulated the difference between conservatives and liberals quite effectively, Mr. Wingfield, hence the squealing from the liberal “hogs” in the previous posts.

Soo-wee,…

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
1:28 pm

I see a certain draft dodger has chimed in with his attempt at comedy.

Kyle Wingfield

September 16th, 2010
1:28 pm

AmVet: You’re bringing political parties into it, which I purposely left out. Thus, “liberals and conservatives” instead of “Democrats and Republicans.”

Ayn Rant

September 16th, 2010
1:28 pm

Where are all those commendable “conservatives” hiding, Kyle? Can you name even one “conservative” politician who has taken a step toward cutting out the middlemen and paying only for the essentials?

Your favorite “conservatives” talk financial prudence but squander public monies like drunken sailors. President Reagan initiated big-time deficit spending in peacetime. The junior President Bush ran up the biggest federal deficits and the most public debt in history before crashing the economy.

“Conservative” is just a deceptive term for “charlatan”!

You confuse talk with action, and deception with sincerity, Kyle.

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
1:29 pm

“The current crop of Republicans are in many ways the very antithesis of traditional American conservatism.”

Nothing like a no-nothing blogger hack to give us his two cents on a subject in which he knows nothing about. Anyone who thinks Ralph Nadar is a great candidate has a few screws loose.

Brad

September 16th, 2010
1:31 pm

Kyle, do you think that the Republican party fits your definition of “conservative”?

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
1:32 pm

“The junior President Bush ran up the biggest federal deficits and the most public debt in history before crashing the economy.”

Obama has outspent Bush Jr. 100 times over.

Richard

September 16th, 2010
1:34 pm

Fine Kyle, I’ll bite:

Let’s start with Bishop’s quote: “Politics is all about who gets what, when and how.”

And change that to: “Politics is about becoming the guy who gets to decide who gets what, when and how in the most crooked way possible.” … Much better.

As for the difference between Democrats and Republicans:

Democrats take your money and claim they are going to spend it in a way that will benefit you.

Republicans take your money and give it to someone else claiming he’s going to spend it in a way that will benefit you.

How’s that?

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
1:35 pm

“OK, guys, so what do you think conservatives stand for?”

Low taxes, free speech, less government, strong military, among other things.

Brad

September 16th, 2010
1:35 pm

And if we can’t bring the reality of politics into the discussion, what’s the point? It becomes mental-”that thing that Christine O’Donnell doesn’t want us to do”.

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
1:38 pm

Brad

Do you always take orders from Rachel Madcow? You left wing clowns repeat the same asinine rhetoric everyday.

Get used to being governed by the tea party.

Jefferson

September 16th, 2010
1:38 pm

Kyle Wingfield

September 16th, 2010
1:15 pm
OK, guys, so what do you think conservatives stand for?

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Ask Pat Buchannan, as he was the last one.

Brad

September 16th, 2010
1:41 pm

CAIR…post when you have something intelligent to say.

AmVet

September 16th, 2010
1:42 pm

Yes, that is true, sir. And your response is worth a reply as opposed to that puerile one at 1:26 which does not. Though the poster’s name is certainly apropos.

Would you agree that there are “conservative’ Democrats? And to my knowledge I have never seen anyone barely mention them as a problem. From either “side of the aisle”.

But a moderate or even god forbid, “liberal” Republican?

There will be hell to pay.

Even the highly decorated combat veteran Senator Hagel (a fellow Cornhusker) was flamed for having the temerity to speak out against the botched invasion and occupation of Iraq. And though he voted with his party nearly 90% of the time he was called a RINO for this one “sin”.

They are sooner or later, completely excoriated as with other even more pejorative terms and darnn near swift-boated, ala McCain was, by the party’s neo-con “base”.

BTW, did you agree with Dr. Paul’s brief assessment of the difference between conservatives and neo-conservatives?

midtownguy

September 16th, 2010
1:42 pm

Georgia, like all southern states, gets much more back from the Federal Government than they pay in taxes. He is not bringing them back their money, he is bringing them California and New York’s money.

Kyle Wingfield

September 16th, 2010
1:44 pm

Brad @ 1:31: No, I’d say it’s been a while since they did. That’s a big part of what the primary season has been about — making clear to the GOP that, while conservatives certainly don’t want the Obama-Pelosi-Reid agenda, we also don’t want Republicans to take power and then just tinker around the edges.

Kyle Wingfield

September 16th, 2010
1:45 pm

Richard: Not too bad, but see my 1:28.

Guy Incognito

September 16th, 2010
1:46 pm

Kyle, it’s easier than that. Libs use their limbic system (emotions) to make decisions. Conservatives use their pre-frontal cortex (center for rationality)

Richard

September 16th, 2010
1:47 pm

Touche Kyle.

Kyle Wingfield

September 16th, 2010
1:48 pm

AmVet: There used to be a lot of conservative Democrats, especially in the South — Zell Miller and Sam Nunn are two obvious examples. Many of them became Republicans, then some of them (or their political descendants) became Blue Dog Democrats…and were either beaten into submission by their leadership or received primary challenges from further-left pressure groups (e.g., Blanche Lincoln).

Ideological purity is not the obsession of just one party.

Brad

September 16th, 2010
1:49 pm

It will be interesting to see what happens in November, regardless of affiliation.

Jefferson

September 16th, 2010
1:50 pm

Ronnie, If you are a conservative why do you spend so much money ?

AmVet

September 16th, 2010
1:55 pm

No it is not, Mr. Wingfield. And I’ve never contended so.

But the topic at hand is the definition of conservatism, which I have addressed (and can do so further) and how your description – The second group wants to cut out the middle man, paying for only the essentials of government (which doesn’t include the hog trough) and letting you keep as much of the money you’ve earned as possible. – is IMHO a canard.

At least based on the verifiable pork-filled, ear-marked, income redistributionist results of the past thirty years or so…

rant and roll

September 16th, 2010
1:57 pm

Reagan would be a liberal based on the rules of today’s conservative movement.

Intellectualism and conservatism were demonstrated by William F. Buckley Jr. Today’s conservatives are championed by Rush, Sean and Sarah. Yelling louder than others, making wild accusations, using half truth’s do a disservice to the conservative movement.

Kyle Wingfield

September 16th, 2010
2:00 pm

And if the GOP returns to its big-spending ways, AmVet, their control of Congress will be short-lived.

Lawrence

September 16th, 2010
2:02 pm

If it was not unethical, why did he make an apology and give the money back. Stealing is stealing even if the money came from private sources.

Kyle Wingfield

September 16th, 2010
2:04 pm

…assuming they get control of the House back in November, that is.

AmVet

September 16th, 2010
2:06 pm

True. But please let’s not pretend that is the only reason they got decimated by the American electorate in 2006 (Going a mind boggling ZERO for 36!) and 2008 (Almost as bad).

The war-first, war-last, war-always thing sunk them just as much. Eventually.

As does their insistence on revisiting the 1950s by banning abortions and other DOMA-like nonsense…

Just Say No To Barnes

September 16th, 2010
2:22 pm

AmVet = AmWay

The guy is so clueless that he does not realize that the “old Republicans” are being thrown out by the much hated Tea Party to which he despises. The old Democratic party & their minions like AmWay keep electing clowns like Lewis, Johnson, Pelosi, Rangel, etc., etc.

The guy complains about living in the Northern part of the state but is free to move to other parts of the state. AmWay is a bitter “has been” who remains on the sinking USS Democrat.

Just Say No To Barnes

September 16th, 2010
2:23 pm

Kyle, here is a good one for you to start an opinion piece (bet my last $1 that CT will not). Rumor has it that AmWay used to date this lady.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2010/09/16/crickets-chirp-palm-beach-post-over-student-conservative-club-kicked-o

AmVet

September 16th, 2010
2:28 pm

BTW, Kyle, thank you for both this forum and the opportunity to engage you.

Though a sizable portion of your “contributors” here are nothing more than childish insult hurlers (as is true on the other AJC blogs as well), you are a gentleman. And your tolerance is admirable. (I’m sure I would get canned in the first week as I would have long ago thrown out the trash like the one at 2:22.)

Just Say No To Barnes

September 16th, 2010
2:30 pm

AmVet – blinded by his hate (or ignorance). Please explain this 0 for 36 garbage you are alluding too. 36 governorships were up for election in 2006 to which the Demorats picked up a net of 6 – 28 to 22 in the end.

Just Say No To Barnes

September 16th, 2010
2:41 pm

AmWay referencing Hagel? Funny no mention of the voting machine scam that Hagel first denied then admitted that he own stock in the only company that was awarded a contract in the state to count votes.

Just Say No To Barnes

September 16th, 2010
2:42 pm

AmWay’s response to tough questioning about his “facts”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
2:46 pm

AmVet

Not sure if you’re bi-polar or what but you are some piece of work. You act one way on Bookman’s blog and act like a normal human being over here.

Dr. Jekyll has nothing on you.

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
2:47 pm

“Though a sizable portion of your “contributors” here are nothing more than childish insult hurlers”

Man oh man oh man. AmVet, those of us who’ve seen you in action on Bookman’s know all too well what kind of person you are.

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
2:49 pm

“CAIR…post when you have something intelligent to say.”

Oh I forgot, you left wingers have low IQ levels. I’ll write more plainly so you can understand next time.

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
2:49 pm

“The war-first, war-last, war-always thing sunk them just as much. Eventually.”

We’re uh, still uh, in those uh, wars, Scam.

Gitmo is still functioning as it did when W left office.

Matt D.

September 16th, 2010
2:51 pm

Kyle, I applaud you! You are absolutely correct. Conservatives want the government to perform ONLY the essential functions of government. When we send money (taxes) to D.C., they subtract their version of a “handling fee” and send a pittance back. Bishop is truthful about what he does in that he protects farm subsidies, etc. Thank you for the column and for this forum.

Jefferson

September 16th, 2010
2:57 pm

The tea movement is just republicans that don’t like the bad name the republicans give the republicans that can’t seem to drive when handed the keys. “Daddy” I won’t do it again.

So called conservatives today really just pander with a few social wedge issues, but are little different than the other side of the ilse, when the rubber hits the road. They are all about redemption and forgiveness, but have no real credibilty as history has shown.

My solution is to eleminate political union labels. Everyone runs, top 2 have a runoff. No parties just names.

CAIR Bears

September 16th, 2010
2:58 pm

“(I’m sure I would get canned in the first week as I would have long ago thrown out the trash like the one at 2:22.)”

Oh but you did, twice.

on patroll

September 16th, 2010
3:04 pm

kyle, when you find a candidate that fits your definition of conservatism then let me know and I will vote for them. the tea party hasn’t put up a good candidate yet that could win the election with their credentials. o’donnell didn’t even have a college degree until she was given one, given not earned plus lied about it. there is no way i will honestly vote for someone to run a state or country with only a high school diploma, even if it were family. i know there are business people out there without degrees but those are exceptions and you would be hard pressed to find equal numbers of successful leaders without college degrees. when politicians run on facts and not beliefs i will wake up to them, to me liberals = conservatives; they just lie about different things.

Skip

September 16th, 2010
3:11 pm

How many millions is Deal in debt? Just another conservative Republican.

AmVet

September 16th, 2010
3:12 pm

Jefferson, I too favor Instant Runoff Voting. But only in certain elections.

There are numerous ways to change the incumbency protection racket of the Tweedledee and Tweedledum Parties, but it’s not gonna happen until there is some moral courage in the corporate controlled territory known as Washington DC…

jconservative

September 16th, 2010
3:12 pm

Kyle Wingfield September 16th, 2010 1:15 pm
“OK, guys, so what do you think conservatives stand for?”

They stand because they are tired of sitting?

Sorry, could not resist. I believe that is the punch line from an old Mike Luckovich cartoon.

Not being a Republican or Democrat, and not having my ox gored, I will observe the following. The late Ted Stevens (R), Alaska, wrote the book on pork barrel and if he did not coin the Bishop remarks, “Politics is all about who gets what, when and how,”, then he came so close the difference is immaterial.

And you can add to the list those Republicans who will not be with us long, Bennett, Murkowski, Spectre, etc, etc.

For 219 years the secret to being a successful political was to bring home the bacon. That appears to be changing starting with the 2008 election. Maybe even the 2006 election, I will concede the point if you like.

Now maybe, just maybe, it is sinking in that bringing home the bacon with money borrowed from China & Japan just ain’t real smart. Maybe.
The question is when Democrats will join the movement.

And if someone can tell Mitch McConnell that extending the Bush tax cuts with money borrowed from China & Japan ain’t real smart, then maybe, just maybe, we can start making some real progress.

And Kyle, personal favor please. Stop using the words Republican and conservative interchangeably.