‘Miss me yet?’ In one swing state, a clear ‘yes’
No commentary needed, although I have bold-faced a couple of sections. From the blog of Public Policy Polling:
We’ll start rolling out our Ohio poll results tomorrow but there’s one finding on the poll that pretty much sums it up: by a 50-42 margin voters there say they’d rather have George W. Bush in the White House right now than Barack Obama.
Independents hold that view by a 44-37 margin and there are more Democrats who would take Bush back (11%) than there are Republicans who think Obama’s preferable (3%.)
A couple months ago I thought the Pennsylvanias and Missouris and Ohios of the world were the biggest battlegrounds for 2010 but when you see numbers like this it makes you think it’s probably actually the Californias and the Wisconsins and the Washingtons.
There’s not much doubt things are getting worse for Democrats…and they were already pretty bad. Somehow the party base needs to get reinvigorated over the next two months or there’s going to be a very, very steep price to pay.
(H/t: RedState)
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josef nix
August 31st, 2010
3:53 pm
Buyer’s remorse.
‘Miss me yet?’ In one swing state, a clear ‘yes’ at Atlanta Raw Editorials
August 31st, 2010
3:55 pm
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Hillbilly Deluxe
August 31st, 2010
3:56 pm
Buyer’s remorse.
But I didn’t make the purchase.
left wing
August 31st, 2010
4:01 pm
To quote Bill Maher, “No. The only one who missed you was the guy who threw the shoe”.
CJ
August 31st, 2010
4:04 pm
Wow.
Set the house on fire. Shut off the water to the fire hoses (while simultaneously complaining about the smoke). Block the road used to deliver materials needed to rebuild the house. Tell the homeowner that the firemen and home builders don’t know what they’re doing. And, voila, the homeowner hires you to fix the house that you burned down.
The efficiency and effectiveness of the conservative con game never ceases to amaze.
HDB
August 31st, 2010
4:10 pm
The problem is that Americans have fallen into the “Instant Gratification Society”; many keep crying about what Obama’s doing..but as too many fail to note — it took 43 white guys to screw up the nation…and they expect a black man to clean up this mess in less than two years!! Absurdity, they name is America! If it took us 243 years to get into this mess, it’s going to take at least 10 years for the clean up to take effect!! At least, the clean up has BEGUN!!
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:18 pm
“The problem is that Americans have fallen into the “Instant Gratification Society”; ”
Yeah, they’re called democrat voters. The welfare baby mamas.
“it took 43 white guys to screw up the nation”
So every president has screwed up the country? HDB is a racist.
“and they expect a black man to clean up this mess in less than two years!! ”
No, the media built that bozo up. Funny that the first black president will go down as the worst president ever.
“At least, the clean up has BEGUN!!”
Starting November 2, the cleaning will continue.
Ba bye, Obama.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:20 pm
“We’ll start rolling out our Ohio poll results tomorrow but there’s one finding on the poll that pretty much sums it up: by a 50-42 margin voters there say they’d rather have George W. Bush in the White House right now than Barack Obama.”
I’d be willing to bet that there are a lot more states who’d rather have an experienced president like Bush over an inexperienced retard like Obozo.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:21 pm
“The efficiency and effectiveness of the conservative con game never ceases to amaze.”
Sucks to be you, CJ.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:23 pm
SUCK IT LEFT WINGERS!!!!!!
Gallup: ‘Unprecedented’ GOP lead
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2010/08/gallup_unprecedented_gop_lead.html
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:25 pm
An actor calls for the death of FOX and the GOP. Gotta love the tolerant high school drop outs like John Cusak.
John Cusack Calls for ‘Satanic Death’ of Fox News, GOP Leaders
Actor John Cusack went on a caustic Twitter rampage Sunday evening, attacking former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Fox News.
“I AM FOR A SATANIC DEATH CULT CENTER AT FOX NEWS HQ AND OUTSIDE THE OFFICES ORDICK ARMEYAND NEWT GINGRICH-and all the GOP WELFARE FREAKS,” Cusack tweeted.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/31/actor-john-cusack-calls-satanic-death-fox-news-gop-leaders/?test=faces
Linda
August 31st, 2010
4:27 pm
The Dems. blamed Bush for the economic recession & it worked for almost 3 years. Few people actually know that it was the Dems. that caused the catastrophe by requiring Fannie & Freddie to make loans to people who could not afford them, years before Bush was elected. Clinton bragged in his autobiography how brilliant his adm. was in pushing these loans. The Bush adm. tried to rein in Fannie & Freddie & the Dems. had a fit.
Bush made mistakes but he did not try to “transform America” into a socialist country. Americans were conned but not anymore.
Forget the Kool aid. Pass the tea.
paleo-neo-Carlinst
August 31st, 2010
4:30 pm
they should poll prison inmates to see if they “miss” being sodomized by some guy who got out on parole 12 months ago. I know folks like Grand Forks love this meaningless poll data, but this is just copy for the pundits and talking heads to ponder.
retiredds
August 31st, 2010
4:31 pm
I will state unequivocally, I do not want GWB, Dick Cheney, or any of the neo-cons of that administration back. They systematically drove the economy into the tubes and as I have stated here before, don’t look for a major rebound until 2017, in case people have forgotten that would be 10 years after the bubble burst and the American gravy train collided with the reality that “there is no such thing as a free lunch”, and that the egregious borrowing by all segments of society has shifted the burden to the future generations and that is every American’s (mine included) doing not just one president.
The questions that the future generations will ask of us now will be, “how could you be so greedy and stupid at the same time? And why did you blame the other guy when you were part of the problem and just wouldn’t own up to it?
So, no I don’t want GWB back because he and his ideologues are as much a part of the problem as any in history.
paleo-neo-Carlinst
August 31st, 2010
4:32 pm
excuse me, as opposed to being sodomized by the current “bull” in the the yard. malfeasance, corruption and patronage know no ideology.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:33 pm
“they should poll prison inmates to see if they “miss” being sodomized by some guy who got out on parole 12 months ago.’
Of course you’d miss it.
“I know folks like Grand Forks love this meaningless poll data, but this is just copy for the pundits and talking heads to ponder.”
Right, when it’s a positive for the GOP it’s “meaningless” but when it’s positive for the democrats it’s “awesome news.”
Left wingers = retardation
wallbanger
August 31st, 2010
4:33 pm
Cusack sums up the lefties. They sure do a lot of name calling and hate baiting. As for conservatives–I do hate the Bible thumping–that is between me and my God, but I am all for keeping the money I have worked hard for and earned in my own pocket, rather than paying for welfare babies, illegals education and healthcare and all the other assorted, and ever increasing handouts–and I am not talking Social Sec. and Medicaid, because I worked and paid for my share of those. Those that didn’t should suck wind.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:33 pm
“excuse me, as opposed to being sodomized by the current “bull” in the the yard.’
Ma’am, please take your sodomy elsewhere.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:35 pm
“Those that didn’t should suck wind.”
That would mean the entire democrat voting base would have to suck wind.
wallbanger
August 31st, 2010
4:36 pm
I want a President and a party that says, “Ask not what your country can do for you–figure out what you can do for yourself; educate yourself, work hard, save, and be a contributor rather than a useless piece of crap dependent on welfare–or suffer the natural consequences that follow.”
wallbanger
August 31st, 2010
4:37 pm
Grand Forks, as you can see from my post, that would be the “natural consequences” of being a useful wart on the hide of humanity and is fine by me.
wallbanger
August 31st, 2010
4:37 pm
I meant “useless” wart of course.
HDB
August 31st, 2010
4:37 pm
Grand Forks August 31st, 2010
4:18 pm
“The problem is that Americans have fallen into the “Instant Gratification Society”; ”
Yeah, they’re called democrat voters. The welfare baby mamas.”
Not quite….I don’t know any welfare baby mamas…but I see a lot of business welfare…ADM, ConAgra, Lehman Brothers…….
“it took 43 white guys to screw up the nation” So every president has screwed up the country? probelms have happened on BOTH sides of the political equation….and it was 43 white guys who were there first! That’s not racist…that’s just fact!!
Grand Forks August 31st, 2010
4:19 pm
“it took 43 white guys to screw up the nation” If it weren’t for white people like Lincoln, you’d be hanging from a tree thanks to Robert Byrd.”
If it weren’t for black people like MLK, Crispus Attucks, and Frederick Douglass, white people like Lincoln wouldn’t have stepped out and done what was right!! Works both ways, kemo sabe!!
BTW…where’ve you been??
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:37 pm
wallbanger
There are plenty of them out there. They’re just afraid of being labeled a racist by Keith Olberqueer, Rachel Madcow and Al Crapton.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
4:40 pm
“Not quite….I don’t know any welfare baby mamas…but I see a lot of business welfare…ADM, ConAgra, Lehman Brothers…….”
Good for you, ma’am.
“That’s not racist…that’s just fact!!”
Without Lincoln, you’d be picking cotton.
“If it weren’t for black people like MLK, Crispus Attucks, and Frederick Douglass, white people like Lincoln wouldn’t have stepped out and done what was right!! Works both ways, kemo sabe!!”
Guess you don’t know anything about history and dates. MLK came along LONG after Lincoln. Again, if it weren’t for Lincoln, you’d be picking cotton for John Kerry.
“BTW…where’ve you been??”
None of your businesses.
Linda
August 31st, 2010
4:42 pm
Grand Forks @ 4:31, It’s not the Dem. party. It’s the progressives that are the major problem today. Most people, even members of Congress, don’t know what they are up to. The Dems. just went along for the ride.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2010
4:52 pm
I don’t see him quitting, so if you don’t like it tough break.
left wing
August 31st, 2010
4:55 pm
Linda @ 4:27 – It’s popular to blame Freddie & Fannie for the financial crisis (especially from your side) but by law, they aren’t allowed to get into the subprime market.
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/fannie_mae_and.html
Your side never liked them because they’re GSE’s (Government Sponsored Entities), but they’ve existed for decades without causing problems.
“Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don’t lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html
It’s popular for your side to say it, but it’s not true.
paleo-neo-Carlinst
August 31st, 2010
4:58 pm
Grand Dork, we haven’t exchanged pleasantries for some time, here’s a little “how I spent my summer” moment for you. I have established a virtual kids’ table for bloggers who do not demonstrate the capacity to behave like adults. here’s a couple hints: using the word “retard” or you refer to Rachel Maddow as “Madcow” (yuck, yuck, that’s funny) or you refer to anyone who disagrees with you as ma’am (diga me; quienes es mas muchacho, Jorge Bush, o Grand Forks?)- you kinda show your a**. but, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. where did I crow or attempt to “spin” data or refer to news about Democrats as “awesome”? and since you are a child, I will futher explain my use of the prison rape scenario. I used this analogy (hey Beavis, I said anal) to suggest that both Democrats and Republicans have abused Americans. so keep your sad, infantile, partisan, stuff at the kids’ table and let the grown-ups talk.
Kyle Wingfield
August 31st, 2010
4:59 pm
left wing: Really? From your own comment:
“by law, they aren’t allowed to get into the subprime market.”
“They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.”
If you don’t see the contradiction there, I’m not sure you understand how this works.
Intown
August 31st, 2010
5:03 pm
The American public has the memory of a fish. Doesn’t ANYONE remember the stupidty, cultural warfare, needless wars (Iraq), the Orwellian atmosphere of 2002-2003, the complete and utter despair of the fall of 2008, the crashed economy, the utterly irresponsible tax-cuts all thanks to either the George W. Bush administration or Republican Congressional leadership. Bush was a catastrophe. Obama’s failures are mostly due to the stubborn obstinenace of his political opponents and the circumstances of the nation upon his entry into the Oval Office.
jt
August 31st, 2010
5:08 pm
Point goes to Kyle.
Keep up the good work Sir.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:08 pm
“I don’t see him quitting, so if you don’t like it tough break.’
No one said he was, Gump.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:09 pm
paleo-neo-Carlinst
You must be under the false impression that I care what you think. Go sell stupid somewhere else.
left wing
August 31st, 2010
5:10 pm
Kyle @ 4:59 – I will correct what I wrote. From the businessweek article I referenced above:
“Start with the most basic fact of all: virtually none of the $1.5 trillion of cratering subprime mortgages were backed by Fannie or Freddie. That’s right — most subprime mortgages did not meet Fannie or Freddie’s strict lending standards. All those no money down, no interest for a year, low teaser rate loans? All the loans made without checking a borrower’s income or employment history? All made in the private sector, without any support from Fannie and Freddie.
So, I stand corrected.
In that article, there’s another link to an article from the New York Fed, which did it’s own analysis:
http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff_reports/sr318.html
In it (I skipped to the conclusion section) they blamed the credit rating agencies.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:10 pm
“It’s popular for your side to say it, but it’s not true.”
That sounds like what Dan Rather said in 2004. The documents were fake but the story was true. LOL
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:11 pm
“I will futher explain my use of the prison rape scenario.”
You sure do have an obsession with anal sex, don’t you. Yuck.
paleo-neo-Carlinst
August 31st, 2010
5:11 pm
HDB, interesting observation re: welfare mamas and ADM. as the paleo-neo-Carlinist model suggests, Americas “corporate citizens” in Big Ag and Big Pharm love welfare as much as the military-industrial complex loves “warfare”. in both models, the income of working Americans flows through the Treasury Department, into various government agencies, where it is dispersed via Section 8 housing stipends, food stamps, Medicaid, and the prescription drug plan; into the coffers of Bank of America Mortgage, Wells Fargo Mortgage, ADM, Wal-Mart, Coca Cola, InBev, and of course, Merck, Pfizer, et al. The money doesn’t stay in the ‘hood, it ends up being used to purchase goods and services (food, clothing, gasoline, alcohol and cigarettes, etc.). So down here at unwashed masses level, people like Grand Forks yammer about tax and spend Democrats/liberals and others counter with “tax cuts and spend Republicans/neo-cons; and on Wall Street, the bean counters and executives (who OWN DC and lobby for “healthcare reform” etc.) are counting their “earnings” and patting themselves on the back with huge bonuses.
ConcernedFultonParent
August 31st, 2010
5:12 pm
@wallbanger “and I am not talking Social Sec. and Medicaid, because I worked and paid for my share of those.”
so have I, but aren’t those SOCIAL programs you’re talking about?!
paleo-neo-Carlinst
August 31st, 2010
5:13 pm
Grand Forks, kids table. No ice cream for you.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2010
5:14 pm
One of the best things about our President is he makes grown folks act just like little children that can’t get their way. And it is funny to me, to see the likes of a Hannity or some of the locals demean themselves. Its worth the price of admission.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:15 pm
“Grand Forks, kids table. No ice cream for you.”
Bookman misses you, ma’am.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:16 pm
“One of the best things about our President is he makes grown folks act just like little children that can’t get their way.”
You must have been in a coma from 2000-2008.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:16 pm
“And it is funny to me, to see the likes of a Hannity or some of the locals demean themselves.”
Hannity has more friends than you ever will.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2010
5:19 pm
Great chuckle, do it again. You are like a puppy.
Kyle Wingfield
August 31st, 2010
5:21 pm
Grand Forks and paleo-neo-Carlinist: Y’all are thisclose to receiving an involuntary vacation from this blog. That’s enough.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:22 pm
“Y’all are thisclose to receiving an involuntary vacation from this blog. That’s enough.”
LOL. Alright.
paleo-neo-Carlinst
August 31st, 2010
5:22 pm
as a famous retard once observed; ’stupid is, as stupid does.’ you want to reduce this to some my ideology is better than your ideology spitting contest, be my guess. I can’t think of a more “stupid” endeavor. you’re a child and until you behave like and adult I will treat you like a child.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:23 pm
Keep at it, paleo.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2010
5:24 pm
We should not stoop to the level of mocking the kid. Sorry Kyle.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:25 pm
“We should not stoop to the level of mocking the kid. Sorry Kyle.”
Yeah Kyle, I’ll also stop mocking paleo.
paleo-neo-Carlinst
August 31st, 2010
5:27 pm
Kyle, what are you going to do, call me a retard? are you going refer to me as ma’am? there are any number of mature, intelligent conservative conrtibutors to this blog, even some neo-cons, but this “Madcow” and “retard” and “libtard” stuff belongs on a middle school playground (or kids’ table).
Kyle Wingfield
August 31st, 2010
5:28 pm
And that’s why I’m telling both of you to stop it.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:31 pm
paleo-neo-Carlinst
You should go back to Bookman’s blog and see what vile and vicious names his followers write about others. I just call em like I see em. I’m kind of surprised at you since I’ve noticed some of your comments on Bookman’s blog and some of them are not nice at all. I’m not sure if you’re pretending to be all sweet and nice like AmVet did for five minutes before showing his true colors or what.
I’ve been called tons of names here and on Bookman’s blog and I’ll dish it out as well.
paleo-neo-Carlinst
August 31st, 2010
5:38 pm
Grand Forks, with all due respect to your ability to “call em like you see em” – why should you enjoy the freedom to call em like you see em, but feel authorized to comment on the comments of others (including mine). I don’t think it is “nice” to drop cluster bombs and napalm on civilians. I think it is vile to kidnap a person off the streets of Prague or Rome, fly him to Egypt or Jordan, torture him then realize you have the wrong guy. you really are a child, you care about names? you jump up and down because some poll suggests the GOP might make some gains in Novemember and you think this mess has been 18 months in the making? you need to man up… “ma’am” or go exchange facebook messages with your “friends”.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2010
5:39 pm
Could be a good place…
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
5:40 pm
“why should you enjoy the freedom to call em like you see em, but feel authorized to comment on the comments of others (including mine).”
Because I can.
“I don’t think it is “nice” to drop cluster bombs and napalm on civilians.”
Huh?
“you really are a child, you care about names?”
Guess you missed what Kyle wrote.
“you jump up and down because some poll suggests the GOP might make some gains in Novemember and you think this mess has been 18 months in the making?”
No, I laughed out loud when I read that poll because the democrats are in full panic mode. Some gains? LOL
“you need to man up… “ma’am” or go exchange facebook messages with your “friends”.”
Uh, ok paleo. Whatever you say. LOL
left wing
August 31st, 2010
5:43 pm
Who’d a thunk it? I just read an article written by a Barro that I agree with!
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2010/08/31/its_a_good_time_to_index_taxes_on_capital_98648.html
This one is by the son, Josh. Apparently much brighter than his father.
DannyX
August 31st, 2010
5:58 pm
LOL! Bring him back. Allow Bush to step out of his self imposed exile and campaign this fall!
Let him tell us more stories. Mushroom clouds and Mission Accomplished!
Let him explain how the two wars he started are going to be paid for.
Let him talk about the virtues and successes of his Big Government, unfunded No Child Left Behind.
Maybe he’ll tell us how to pay for his Dept of Homeland Security.
Would he perhaps be willing to look into the souls of more world leaders, perhaps kiss a Muslim Saudi leader on the lips again? Walk together with him holding hands?
Will George pray with his spiritual leader the Reverend Ted Haggard at a campaign stop?
Perhaps George can talk Guckert/Gannon into writing a nice story on his presidency.
Will George allow his “right hand man” Mr Melman to accompany him on campaign tours?
Will he call the millions laid off during his watch lazy?
Maybe he will make sense out of his deregulation mess.
Any chance he now has a plan to fund Medicare Part D?
Will he finally tell us how we can spend like a drunken sailor and still give out massive tax cuts?
BRING BACK W!
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
6:03 pm
I see DannyX was given parole.
Kyle Wingfield
August 31st, 2010
6:09 pm
… and in spite of all that, DannyX, half of the voters in a swing state that went for Obama in 2008 would rather have Bush than his successor.
barking frog
August 31st, 2010
6:15 pm
GW may be gone but Jeb is waiting in line…
Linda
August 31st, 2010
6:18 pm
left wing @ 4:55, Fannie & Freddie were not allowed to get into the subprime market? Read the synopsis of their annual reports from 1991!
All Americans liked the GSEs for decades until they junked their superior underwriting guidelines per instructions from the Dems in the ’90s.
Read the New York Times article in 1999 that predicted American taxpayers would have to bail them out.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html
The McClatchyde article you quoted is absurd. These “private lenders” HAVE NO MONEY. Fannie bought 90% of the loans Countrywide originated ACCORDING TO FANNIE MAE guidelines.
DannyX
August 31st, 2010
6:19 pm
I’m sure that swing state would change their minds quickly if they were in the path of the developing hurricane and Obama put Bush in charge of the response effort.
Yep, real quick.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
6:23 pm
“I’m sure that swing state would change their minds quickly if they were in the path of the developing hurricane and Obama put Bush in charge of the response effort.”
Guess you forgot that the democrats controlled the state of LA. It was the job of the mayor and governor to get people out of New Orleans.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
6:23 pm
“Yep, real quick.’
You mean like the BP disaster that took Obozo three weeks to respond to? Oh wait, he was too busy collecting donations to care.
Grand Forks
August 31st, 2010
6:24 pm
“GW may be gone but Jeb is waiting in line…”
As is Cristie, Daniels, Palin, Romney and Jindal.
left wing
August 31st, 2010
6:43 pm
Linda @ 6:18 – I’m shocked! You referenced a NY Times article!?!
Have a look at the New York Fed pdf I referenced above. Frankly, I’m still reading it (it’s 66 pages) but it puts the blame on credit rating agencies. From their executive summary:
“Five frictions caused the subprime crisis [2.2]
− Friction #1: Many products offered to sub-prime borrowers are very complex and subject to mis-understanding and/or mis-representation.
− Friction #6: Existing investment mandates do not adequately distinguish between structured and corporate ratings. Asset managers had an incentive to reach for yield by purchasing structured debt issues with the same credit rating but higher coupons as corporate debt issues.1
− Friction #3: Without due diligence of the asset manager, the arranger’s incentives to conduct its own due diligence are reduced. Moreover, as the market for credit derivatives developed, including but not limited to the ABX, the arranger was able to limit its funded exposure to securitizations of risky loans.
− Friction #2: Together, frictions 1, 2 and 6 worsened the friction between the originator and arranger, opening the door for predatory borrowing and lending.
− Friction #7: Credit ratings were assigned to subprime MBS with significant error. Even though the rating agencies publicly disclosed their rating criteria for subprime, investors lacked the ability to evaluate the efficacy of these models.
− We suggest some improvements to the existing process, though it is not clear that any additional regulation is warranted as the market is already taking remedial steps in the right direction.”
So, who do you want to believe; the NY Times article, making a prediction, or the New York Federal Reserve, doing it’s post-mortum?
Linda
August 31st, 2010
6:48 pm
Danny @ 5:58, Did you notice that the “two wars” Bush & the Dems. & Reps. voted overwhelming to start cost exactly the same in 2/09 as the economic stimulus plan? We had been at war in Afghanistan for 7 yrs. & in Iraq for 6 yrs., 14 yrs. of war, & Obama & the Dems. passed a bill less than 3 wks. after Obama’s inauguration that was unread that equaled the cost of both of those wars.
Bush’s Dept. of Homeland Security? The same one Obama has?
Kisses or bowing & apologizing?
A church-going Christian or someone a large percentage of the American people thinks is a closet Muslim?
End the Bush tax cuts so we’ll have more money to spend?
left wing
August 31st, 2010
6:54 pm
Linda @ 6:48 – I’m not sure what you’re arguing for; I thought you were all about reducing the debt. Given that the full Bush tax cuts are $3.7 Trillion and keeping them for the top 2% is $700 Billion by themselves, are you for keeping the tax cuts or reducing the debt?
A church-going Christian or someone a large percentage of the American people thinks is a closet Muslim? – Just because people have been told this by Fox News doesn’t make it true. Maybe they think he’s a muslim, but he repeatedly has said he’s a Christian.
BTW, the cost of the Bush tax cuts are exactly the amount that it would take to fix Social Security for the next 75 years; $3.7 Trillion. Which would you rather have?
Unfortunately, I need to leave. Talk to you later.
ByteMe
August 31st, 2010
6:55 pm
Kyle, here’s your explanation: Stockholm Syndrome
Thank me later.
DannyX
August 31st, 2010
7:13 pm
“A church-going Christian or someone a large percentage of the American people thinks is a closet Muslim?”
What kind of real Christian would order the Shock and Awe bombing along with the ground war that was not necessary for our protection? Thousands upon thousands of innocent women and children slaughtered.
To even think that God was looking down at shock and awe in support of the destruction and misery is insane. Just as insane as when our nation wiped out the native Americans. Just as insane as slavery. Christian nation? Hardly.
BS Aplenty
August 31st, 2010
7:13 pm
left -
I find it amusing to say the least that the Federal Reserve would place blame, not on a fellow government agency (GSE) like FNMA or FHLMC or GNMA, but on Moody’s or S&P or Fitch. Well, that’s a surprise.
There’s no question that the securities created out of Sub-Prime and Alt A mortgages with risk managed through credit default swaps were difficult beasts to rate on a continuing basis. But the old maxim, garbage in, garbage out seems appropriate. The investment banks that purchased such mortgages and trafficked in such garbage should have been taken out to the trash can. Some were (Lehman, Bear) and that’s the way the market works. Their SHAREHOLDERS paid the price, not the American taxpayer. The TARP funds used to prevent a systemic disaster in the banking industry (much like a run on a bank) was a successful market-based tool used by the Bush Administration. Those funds have to be and are being repaid with dividends to the U.S. Treasury Department. The industry was not bailed out but a systemic meltdown was prevented.
However, when FNMA, FHLMC or GNMA purchase a Sub-Prime mortgage or a security built on such mortgages then the garbage falls on the American TAXPAYER. And that is why I take issue with the government being involved in the residential mortgage industry. The private companies that wish to make foolish loans and buy untested securities have only their SHAREHOLDERS to answer to. I have no truck with that process. But the government’s involvement affects me to the current tune of approximately $175 Billion dollars in GSE support with much more likely.
And then there’s the securities on the books of the Federal Reserve…
CJ
August 31st, 2010
7:18 pm
Kyle: “…and in spite of all that, DannyX, half of the voters in a swing state that went for Obama in 2008 would rather have Bush than his successor.”
If I’m understanding him correctly, Kyle’s assertion seems to be that right or wrong is determined by the polls. In that case, slavery was right, Stalin was right, Hitler was right, segregation was right, invading a Iraq before inspectors had a chance to finish their job was right. And of course, Obama’s policies must be wrong. The polls tell us so.
I’m sorry, but Kyle doesn’t buy this logic when his side of the debate is on the losing end and he should be sellin’ it when they’re in the lead.
Linda
August 31st, 2010
7:19 pm
Left Wing @ 6:43: Let me tell you what happened that caused the world-wide financial crisis. I was in the middle of it for decades. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, the GSEs, had strict lending practices, based on history. The more money borrowers put down, the higher their credit rating & the better their job stability, the more likely they would make their payments.
In the 1990’s, the Dems., in a push to get votes from low & moderate income people, pushed Affordable Housing, a socialist program, & they used the GSEs to push their agenda. There was a goal, at one point, that the GSEs make at least 50% of their loans to subprime borrowers & they exceeded that goal.
It escalated.
All of a sudden, lenders were making subprime loans to investors & to million dollars buyers.
The GSEs were buying all loans, mixing subprime & prime loans together, having them rated by the agencies who could not tell one from the other, & selling them on Wall St. & around the world.
The Dem. ideology in the ’90’s was the catalyst that started the tsunami & it’s still going on today.
josef nix
August 31st, 2010
7:22 pm
HDB
In case you’re still abouts…that list of black Americans…OY…just once I’d like to see somebody else mentioned than this roster from trivial pursuit history…I got into a tangle at a conference once over this when I said that Fannie Lou Hamer did more than any in that pantheon…I was totally shocked how few of those even knew who she was…we’ve got a serious problem here…IMHO…
KYLE
Well, some people do have issues…!
josef nix
August 31st, 2010
7:24 pm
Danny X
Well, lemme ask ya…are you resident on territory seized under the terms of the Treaty of New Echota cleared during Removals? How many of those unfortunate Native Americans do you know personally…how do they see you?
Linda
August 31st, 2010
7:39 pm
Left Wing @ 6:54, If you think that the Dems. want to end the Bush tax cuts to reduce the deficit or debt or fix social security, you are loony. That’s just more money for them to spend.
Independent polls suggest that a majority of Americans think Obama is a Muslin. It has nothing to do with Fox News.
Jason T
August 31st, 2010
9:13 pm
Amazing the Liberal posters. Government got us into the mess we’re in–yes, both sides. But, the amazing thing with the Libs is they seem to think the Imperial Federal Government will get us out!
Never ceases to amaze me, they would rather some clown in Washington decide exactly HOW to spend other peoples’ money, as well as their own money. As if the Goverrment does things well–what a joke!
Dave the Man
August 31st, 2010
9:16 pm
Yes sir! The morning of November 3, 2010 will be a a great day! The end of an ERROR!
Willie
August 31st, 2010
9:19 pm
Of course we miss Bush. While bumbling, he was not out to remake America in the mold of some socialist paradise. Obama has lectured and apologized and spent his way into the contempt of the American people. He seems arrogant and disconnected from normal people. The driving partisanship of the administration has further poisioned the political climate.
Yes! I would want Bush back.
And I was no Bush fan.
Ayn Rant
August 31st, 2010
9:33 pm
Just goes to show what America’s problem really is! It’s not the government. It’s stupid people.
AmVet
August 31st, 2010
9:45 pm
Lordy Be!
Even the host with the patience of Job is growing very tired of Grand Forks (retard!) endless, puerile insults.
Could this be the heretofore unknown “banned trifecta?”
Tic, tic, tic…
landry
August 31st, 2010
9:56 pm
stop calling me dude….
ROBERT IN SMYRNA
September 1st, 2010
5:38 am
REPUBLICANS AREN’T THE ANSWER,
REPUBLICANS ARE THE PROBLEM.
marko
September 1st, 2010
6:17 am
I gotta admit Obama has’nt snapped his magic fingers and pulled us all out of the giant hole we’ve dug for ourselves. We want to throw the bums out so we can replace them with the other bums. So far all I’ve heard from the alternative bums is that we gotta save the tax cuts and raise the retirement age. Has anyone noticed that our government is living on foreign loans. When was the last time you puchased a product that was’nt made in China. Many afluent American’s did’nt mind seeing our blue collar jobs move over seas. They looked at it as a natural process. Now that so many of their high paying I.T.jobs have moved to India, I wonder how that natural process thing is working out for Ya? Today V.W. is the largest car manufacturer in the world. For the record they’re still making cars at the plant Hitler founded in the 30’s. German’s don’t throw fellow German’s under the bus. They don’t talk about family values. They invest in their people,and let them worry about their own damned values. When did our values become a government responsibility? Before we became obsessed with gay marriage, we put men on the moon. When was the last time that we as people did anything truely amazing? This is a country that needs to quit pointing fingers and get our butts in gear. We’re burning daylight. The last time we made our fellow countrymen our mortal enemies it cost us six hundred thousand lives. Do we really want to fight among ourselves when it’s clearly more profitable to work together? We have met the enemy and it is us. Fortunately there’s a cure for national stupidity. Stop being stupid.
Skip
September 1st, 2010
8:19 am
Thanks Marco, I needed a good reason to try it for another day.
hmshore
September 1st, 2010
8:33 am
Let’s see how patient the Atlanta JC is with your constant use of slurs. Use the word retard one more time and maybe you just can’t post here.
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
8:40 am
“Even the host with the patience of Job is growing very tired of Grand Forks (retard!) endless, puerile insults.”
ScumVet, I noticed that you spent 20 mins talking about me over on Bookman’s blog yesterday. I know you’re obsessed with me and everyone over there knows it. Kyle has a lot of patience, unlike Jay, and doesn’t ban people just because people like you cry about it.
“Could this be the heretofore unknown “banned trifecta?” ‘
Not gonna happen, ScumVet.
Now, back to Bookman’s blog for you.
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
8:40 am
“Just goes to show what America’s problem really is! It’s not the government. It’s stupid people.”
Amen to that. Stupid people is what led to Obama.
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
8:43 am
“REPUBLICANS AREN’T THE ANSWER,
REPUBLICANS ARE THE PROBLEM.”
Then move to Illinois. I hear they’re doing great with their democrat controlled government. They even got themselves one of them felons as governor.
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
8:45 am
BedWet
Looks like your hypocrisy is showing again.
From Bookman himself: Amvet, you and Dusty need to cool it in your long-running personal dispute. I just took down that latest post as well as some from last night.
tick…tick…tick….hypocrite
Kyle Wingfield
September 1st, 2010
8:45 am
Another overreach, CJ, and I’m not even talking about your allusions to Stalin, slavery, etc. All I’m saying is that, in spite of that list of indictments, a majority of people in Ohio think things are worse now. Which should tell you something about how many people disagree with you Obama cheerleaders.
ByteMe: Funny, but would be funnier if Bush were still in the WH…
joe
September 1st, 2010
8:46 am
Dear libs:
WRITING
signed,
On The Wall
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
8:51 am
Obama is the gift that keeps on giving for the GOP.
Damning the Dems in fall’s election
WASHINGTON — Declaring the Iraq war over last night, President Obama at the same moment waved the white flag for Democrats in the November elections.
Speaking in prime time, Obama made a mockery of his — and his party’s — longstanding opposition to this war in Iraq.
He undermined the very campaign that ushered him into the White House and gave Democrats their huge majorities in Congress.
It was as if, in keeping his promise to end the war in Iraq, Obama had become a convert to it.
He heralded the very success he had predicted could never be attained.
He lauded the defeat of an evil regime “that had terrorized its people” — a despot he once considered an irrelevant distraction from what he called the “real war” that needed to be won in Afghanistan.
And, speaking to soldiers at Fort Bliss earlier yesterday, he said that because of this fight, “America is more secure.”
Obama even talked about the importance of Iraq as a “friend” and a “partner” in the Middle East.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/damning_the_dems_in_fall_election_FYaCF0nG5BGRGdeA9LtmRO#ixzz0yHY5Lt2C
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
8:52 am
“Another overreach, CJ”
Understatement of the day. She and HDB have the same mindset.
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
8:53 am
Something else to piss of the left wingers.
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get out much?
September 1st, 2010
9:07 am
With all of this nostalgia for W, I am surprised that the Republicans are are not begging him to come out and campaign for them. For some reason, they prefer that he stay out of sight.
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
9:21 am
“With all of this nostalgia for W, I am surprised that the Republicans are are not begging him to come out and campaign for them.”
That’s because they have Obama and therefore don’t need Bush. Also, Palin is doing a great job in getting candidates elected.
Linda
September 1st, 2010
10:48 am
Iraq has so much potential with its source of oil. It could become one of the richest countries in the world.
Iraq is bordered by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Turkey, Syria & Jordon, most with oppressive governments & illiteracy. Iraq could become like them or could become a prosperous free society.
History is still being formulated. We know that George Bush gave freedom to 31 million people. If Iraq is successful & sets a president that its neighbors find desirable, Bush could go down in history as the president who brought freedom & peace to the entire Middle East.
(and we can’t drill for our own oil or build refineries or nuclear power plants)
CJ
September 1st, 2010
11:12 am
“…a majority of people in Ohio think things are worse now. Which should tell you something about how many people disagree with you Obama cheerleaders…”
A majority of people in Ohio should consider how truly horrible things would have become if the Republicans had their way.
Responding to the cheerleading remark, you’re projecting again Kyle. Unlike hero worshiping ditto-heads (their term, not mine), I take positions on policies and then support politicians who are more likely to execute them. Compare that with the groupthink crowd on the right who are persuaded primarily by imagery and platitudes that actually contradict the hidden agendas of those spewing them.
Grand Forks
September 1st, 2010
11:42 am
“A majority of people in Ohio should consider how truly horrible things would have become if the Republicans had their way.’
That stupid statement makes no sense whatsoever. That’s like saying John Edwards would cure cancer if he won the White House. His words by the way.
No More Progressives!
September 1st, 2010
12:31 pm
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No More Progressives!
September 1st, 2010
12:34 pm
Where’s the Scamster? This is his/her specialty.
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