Georgia’s worrisome intramural fight over abortion

There’s one bit of unfinished business from the GOP primary for governor. And, no, I don’t mean a public kiss-and-make-up session between Nathan Deal and Karen Handel.

I worry that the long-term health of the pro-life movement in Georgia may have taken a self-inflicted hit during this primary, because of the words and tactics of Georgia Right to Life.

The most prominent anti-abortion group in a red state, GRTL issues endorsements during each election cycle that Republican candidates covet. High among its criteria is a stipulation that candidates agree to only one exception to a ban on abortions: when the life of the mother is in danger.

GRTL defends its stance as “the 21st-century demands of being pro-life,” a tacit acknowledgment that one exception hasn’t always been the rule. For decades after the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision, many pro-life groups allowed for two additional cases: pregnancies resulting from rape or incest.

It was largely over these two exceptions that GRTL and Handel, the only GOP gubernatorial candidate not to get the group’s endorsement, disagree. But it was no light disagreement.

After Handel received a late endorsement from Sarah Palin, GRTL lashed out: One day before the primary, the group sent out a robo-call to voters describing Handel as “extremely liberal” on abortion.

That’s when I began to worry.

I understand that intellectual consistency dictates that the unborn’s right to life isn’t lessened by the circumstances of conception. I understand that allowing abortion in the case of a rape but not in most others could lead to an explosion in the number of rape claims, and a ban-enforcement nightmare.

But I also understand that people don’t always like to be intellectually consistent. And, more to the point, we are eons away, in public-policy years, from reaching a point where this kind of debate can be more than just theoretical.

The fact is that abortion under any circumstance remains legal in this country — and that, as GRTL itself notes, more than 99 percent of U.S. abortions don’t involve rape or incest. Even a ban on partial-birth abortions proved highly contentious not that long ago.

There’s reason for hope. Gallup, which tracks U.S. attitudes toward abortion over time, found last year for the first time that more Americans call themselves pro-life rather than pro-choice — reversing a 10-percentage-point deficit as recently as 2006, and a 23-point gap just 15 years ago. There were gains in all age groups.

But the number of Americans who believe abortion should be legal in some circumstances remained a majority of 54 percent — almost unchanged from the years immediately following Roe. It’s unlikely that most of them favor just one exception rather than the more commonly stated three.

As the left has proved over the years, a gradual approach to big policy changes is usually more successful than a one-fell-swoop strategy.

Withholding an endorsement is one thing. But there’s an important difference between that and an all-out attack on a three-exceptions candidate as “extremely liberal.” The latter is an unlikely way to build and sustain the momentum in public opinion that will be essential to any lasting change in the law.

It’s a bit like Charlie Brown asking Lucy to place the football farther from the goal posts. To the degree that this rigidity makes it harder to realize slow but steady pro-life progress, it’s an unconscionable mistake.

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Road Scholar

August 27th, 2010
7:27 pm

Enough about abortions. They are legal and a woman should have the right to decide about her body.People who don’t like abortions don’t have to get one!

Once the state has addressed water, the economy, transportation, and education (no order of priority) then the conserves can discuss any changes. Until then, stow it, and get down to work on these big ticket items.

saywhat?

August 27th, 2010
7:58 pm

Kyle, this situation is bigger than abortion. By “bigger than”, I don’t mean “more important than” but rather that it is not an isolated incident in Republican politics. For years now the Republican party has moved further and further to the right, on social issues (as your post points out), on economic issues (”tax cuts are solution for everything”), and governmental issues (”deregulate everything”). This trend was one reason for the thumping Republicans took in 2006 and 2008. It is also the reason I am not overly worried about Obama losing the White House in 2012.

A second point is that when you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Right wing politics have long lived by over-the-top hyperbolic statements such as describing Handel “as “extremely liberal” on abortion.” Perhaps you remember oft repeated phrases such as “most liberal Senator/Governor in the country” (applied to whatever Democrat wins the party’s presidential nomination), or “he is leading the country into Socialism”, or “he is going to confiscate your guns” or “he wants to destroy America”.
It sucks that what goes around, comes around, especially when it ends up coming from those who used to do your dirty work FOR you. Brace yourself though. With the know-nothing teapartiers now in play, it going to get alot worse before it gets better.

landry

August 27th, 2010
9:18 pm

What part of illegal don’t you understand? Per the law of the land! What part of abortions are legal don’t you understand? Per the law of the land! Hypocrites, you betcha….

Ayn Rant

August 27th, 2010
9:36 pm

Stop this silliness! It is a fundamental human right of a woman to manage her own pregnancy and other bodily functions. This right is more basic than free speech. It is also a legal right: our Constitution does grant the power to Congress to regulate pregnancies.

The only proper point of contention over abortion is whether or not health insurance plans should pay for it. They shouldn’t, except in the case of rape, incest, or health hazard to the woman. Delivery, not abortion, is the normal, healthy outcome of pregnancy.

Those who are truly concerned about the ridiculous number of abortions in Georgia and the US should get behind the movements to educate children on sex, pregnancy, and contraception, and to make contraceptives readily available to all who are likely to be sexually active.

Rafe Hollister

August 27th, 2010
9:39 pm

Saywhat? You are kidding right? The dems do not brand any commonsense candidate the Reps nominate as an “extreme rightwinger”. “Churches are going to burn if we elect a Republican”. They show suggestive video talking about the Black guy who was dragged to his death by some hooligans in TX, implying the Rep party instigated this travesty. Someone in the Rep party says Soc Sec is unsustainable long term, and they clip together some video and say Reps are going to take your Soc Sec away. Yada, Yada, Yada.

Kyle: with the economy in a depression with no signs of recovery, where does Abortion rate on anyones list of things to worry about.

don't understand

August 27th, 2010
9:45 pm

landy,
Did I understand that you suggest we should change any law that permits something to be deemed legal? So slavery and segregation should still be legal under that theory? Heck, abortion should still be illegal, since it once was, but was (gasp) changed! I think I’ll still stand up for changes I want to see in our policies. I think I’ll support gay marriage, so long as the gay couples won’t have abortions…
Kyle, you are right about GRTL harming their own cause for their political posturing. However, they have painted themselves into a corner with their unbridled support of the Republicans. Republicans have taken advantage of the prolife vote since Reagan & done little or nothing to protect the unborn in return for those votes.

landry

August 27th, 2010
9:45 pm

You can see inbred conservative georgians throughout history: burning witches, blowing up black churches, screaming at black school children integrating schools, blaming jews for their financial woes, attacking gays, demonizing immigrants, and kicking minorities for sport….

landry

August 27th, 2010
9:50 pm

don’t understand,

You are correct, you don’t understand. I was mocking the bigoted who scream about illegals on one hand arguing legality while decrying legal abortion on the other hand. It’s a complex argument, so don’t beat yourself for not understanding the hypocrisy of the delusional right.

Tyler Durden

August 27th, 2010
9:55 pm

Just a classic case of the dog turning on it’s owner. When the primary tactic of an entire movement is wedge issues and ad hominem attacks (aided by a healthy dose of self righteousness and painfull selective memory), it’s only natural that a puritanical faction will take over. Look at Germany at the turn of the last century; some mighty similar events at play…

Of course, all it will take is for Sarah Palin to say somethin’ folksy and ballsy, and you sheep will forget all about any diagreements and keep right on bleating to the slaughterhouse. Cus you’re just that dumb! :-)

Kyle Wingfield

August 27th, 2010
10:00 pm

Rafe: If it had been up to me, this issue wouldn’t have come up during this election. But it did. And before too much time had passed (but after the runoff, because I didn’t want this to be about Handel/Deal) I wanted to make this point…after which I’m happy to move on to issues like the economy.

landry: We all know what you were trying to do. But I don’t see any hypocrisy in saying one law ought to be enforced and a different law ought to be changed. If the same people decrying the lack of enforcement of immigration laws were arguing that the current laws on abortion shouldn’t be enforced, that would be hypocrisy.

Rafe Hollister

August 27th, 2010
10:05 pm

Tyler: What is it about your condition that makes you think that people who do not agree with you, are less intelligent than you. Psychosis is treatable you know.

Kyle Wingfield

August 27th, 2010
10:05 pm

Btw, I can only get tickled at people like Tyler who see *only* wedge issues on one side and can’t see *any* of the wedge issues on the other side…and then lecture others about partisanship and smarts…

wallbanger

August 27th, 2010
10:13 pm

If it is possible to do so conservatives will shoot themselves in the foot over social issues. And who really gives a rip. I am as conservative as they come, on fiscal matters, but I believe what people do with their bodies is their business. Hey, if it were up to me I would like to see obese people locked away until they lost weight, but it isn’t my call. I wish the Republicans would lighten up on these issues or they will never see the light of day again.

Rafe Hollister

August 27th, 2010
10:19 pm

wallbanger, I’m with you. One thing I like about the Tea Party is that they are smart enough to know that social issues divide conservatives and they have tried to stay away from them and focus on the BIG item, the economy and jobs.

Tyler Durden

August 27th, 2010
10:20 pm

I get tickled at the utterly hilarious faux indignation from the right when, in a ‘moment of clarity’, they suddenly see how incredibly simplistic some of their larger platforms are. It’s a bit like in Casablanca; There’s gambling going on here?! Shocked, I tell you. I’m completely shocked!’

You make for amusing reading, that’s for sure. And as a matter of full disclosure: I fully agree that there are some progressives whose tacics and stances I find equally uninformed and just plain annoying. But take a sober look around the ranks of the conservative movement and listen to the noise you guys make day-in, day-out. From the hypocritical manufactured outrage to the histrionics over anything Obama does: you guys can’t expect to be taken seriously…

Kyle: one day you may turn into a decent commentator worthy of representing a side with credibility, clarity and dignity. But that day isn’t today. Pay attention to what it takes to be considered a worthy opponent; then you can apply some chops and make someone think about something a little differently. You show flashes, so there’s hope…

Pull My Finger

August 27th, 2010
10:21 pm

Road Scholar, aren’t you glad your mother didn’t have an abortion? It’s not just about a woman’s body…………..babies have rights, too.

landry

August 27th, 2010
10:24 pm

My point, which I’ve done a poor job of explaining, is that I find it ironic that the right uses the law to defend their stance on immigration, yet they ignore the law of the land concerning abortion because it doesn’t support their viewpoint.

Southern Harmony

August 27th, 2010
10:28 pm

when an abortion is done only one person has to deal with it
why is it we will spend millions of dollars to put someone to death court&appeals
and some are found out later to be innocent [ life without parole works just as good for me]
is not all life the same?

ugadawg2005

August 27th, 2010
10:30 pm

Can anyone tell me what Nathan Deal, as Governor of Georgia, will do to make abortion illegal? The last time I checked, it is protected by the US Constitution, at least according to Supreme Court precedent. The Governor of Georgia cannot appoint justices to the US Supreme Court. The only other way of changing the law is for a constitutional amendment, which does not involve the governor in any way (except maybe to persuade the legislature to ratify).

This is a non-issue, yet he will probably win because of this non-issue. Meanwhile, pro-life advocates will get nothing changed on abortion, but our schools will fall further behind, our transportion problems will be worse, and we will be out of water because they thought voting for someone on abortion was more important than voting for someone on the issues they can actually impact.

Rafe Hollister

August 27th, 2010
10:33 pm

Southern Harmony, I don’t have a dog in the abortion fight, but your argument is rather weak. You are saying a innocent baby is the same as a convicted murderer. I may not be as smart as Tyler, but that dog doesn’t hunt.

Southern Harmony

August 27th, 2010
10:39 pm

I believe there is places in this country it is not legal
I can beat you deal as gov.his business will profit because he didnt try to clear his in dc
but most of us are blind sheep

landry

August 27th, 2010
10:39 pm

what part of legal don’t you understand?

Southern Harmony

August 27th, 2010
10:44 pm

no I am sayin not all are guilty we find out later
but it is cheaper to kept them for 30 yrs than 15 yrs. on death row

SameOldCrapFromKyle

August 27th, 2010
10:52 pm

Oh Kyle, can we please discuss abortion again, for only the umpteenth time? Good gracious Kyle please find something new and interesting to discuss. Same old rightist crap repackaged again and again. Like you actually care about the unborn. Get a life Kyle, no pun intended.

Southern Harmony

August 27th, 2010
10:53 pm

south dakota cities in utah and in idaho
abortion is legal by a section in the forth adm.

Peter

August 27th, 2010
11:06 pm

It is amazing Kyle…….. since your party is the Kill, Invade, and start a WAR party.

Killing is Killing……no matter what the age is !

But hey your blogger’s say WAR is good for the economy……..even though folks get killed.

Dave

August 27th, 2010
11:25 pm

We all know that the blue-blood/ruling class/elite (aka RINO) Republicans have always resented (adhorred maybe?) the more socially conservative Republicans of the South and “fly-over” country but hold their nose and tolerate them to get/stay in power. If they had their way, they would have nothing to do with them…sorta like the Dems and liberals.

Intown

August 27th, 2010
11:29 pm

“I worry that the long-term health of the pro-life movement in Georgia may have taken a self-inflicted hit during this primary, ”

Are you kidding? This was one of the GOOD things that happened during the primary.
Do everyone a favor, don’t bring up abortion at the debate you’re moderating. It has nothing to do with moving Georgia forward.

DJ

August 27th, 2010
11:42 pm

Abortion was always legal; Row v. Wade made most anti-abortion laws illegal.

Yet another point where “conservatives” demand ultimate government control over the activity of “free” citizens.

Southern Harmony

August 27th, 2010
11:42 pm

John Monds is my man

LizBeth

August 27th, 2010
11:58 pm

So there’s a woman with a potential human inside of her. When it comes out, it will be a person. It mystifies me that people think that the woman that is HERE, NOW, ALREADY should be less important than that potential life.

john

August 28th, 2010
12:05 am

Destruction is going to visit the USA in 2012, the 40th year of abortion. It has destroyed the black community as intended (FWIW: I am white) by white progressives, that use to be the slave holding democrats of the 1880s. You want to learn more:

http://www.yankhank.com/

SouthernGal

August 28th, 2010
6:28 am

Why is abortion any business of the government? It is a medical procedure that is between a woman, her doctor and her God. Butt out peoples private lives!

Steve

August 28th, 2010
7:00 am

Southern Harmony,
I see serious differences between killing a convicted criminal and aborying a baby.
One person took actions so heinous a jury of their peers determined they no longer should live among us.
The other is an innocent life who simply does not have the ability to speak for herself/homself.
I do agree rape, incest, or danger to the health of the mother are valid reasons for an abortion.
I do not agree a woman who has consensual sex and gets pregnant, then has the right to abort the child because they consider it to be an inconvenience to their lifestyle.

DeborahinAthens

August 28th, 2010
7:31 am

John, please explain in your own words how abortion “destroyed” the black community. When men can get pregnant, then you have the right to tell women what they can do with their bodies. Until then, you don’t get to mouth off. Until you suck in air and take a breath on your own, you are not a human being. That is my opinion, and my opinion holds as much weight as yours. I have two wonderful grown children and three grandchildren. I’ve never had an abortion, and obviously at this point never will, but I will defend to my dying day the right for a frightened young woman who cannot and does not want to raise a child (or dump it somewhere) to have an abortion. For now it is legal, so deal with it. My fear is, as right wing fundamentalist preach the increased “Talibanation” of this country, womens’ rights are going to slowly disappear. I agree with Kyle’s point, it is scary how easily the fundamentalists have been able to snag control and the upper hand in several debates. Witness the flip-flop by Nathan Deal on casino gambling. It was all for it until he was against it. What changed? The Bible thumpers started beating their drums. What a pathetic, sad world we live in.

NorthEast GA

August 28th, 2010
8:01 am

I really have to stop reading these comments in the morning. The circular “logic” used by the liberals like Landry and saywhat – make me just look at the monitor and shake my head. You people don’t procreate do you? I would be really frightened if you said you did.

If a group of people don’t respect the life of the smallest, most defenseless, among us, why would I think they as a group, would respect me or my life? Just asking.

Fertile Topic

August 28th, 2010
8:41 am

This pill against the Tea Party is a bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Comparing the violence of abortion to a cartoon is a bit like saying Rosemary’s Baby was the bun in the oven at Hell’s Kitchen. Trivializing the 50 million terminations (since Roe) by cherry-picking partial-birther flip-flops as the Right squirms toward the middle is not just a miscarriage of logic, but a bit like putting lipstick on a dead wabbit instead of a pig. (Which is a bit like Islam calling their ground zero mosque a community center: lipstick on a pig).

It’s no surprise that most writers sacrifices content for style. Every writer admires some writer out there to a great degree and tries to emulate the work. Kyle aspires writing skill, and as Bush would say: “What an aspirator”.

Writing 101: Subject matter dictates tone. Tone dictates structure.

Now, suppose the topic is abortion. Should you bring up Peanuts? Should you go anywhere near “one fell swoop”? (unless you’re a moron) You tell me. Is Kyle a total incompetent menace to journalism or does he just have a writer’s crush on whoever he’s trying to be a bit like?

When a writer or a politician sells out and steals material, it’s a bit like cheating on a home pregnancy test: if it’s red, it can’t be a bit blue.

Not So Casual Observer

August 28th, 2010
8:49 am

Peter and Tyler,

You guys are tooooo funny.

Tyler has delusions of grandeur in which he is the great sage.

Peter refers to the Republicans as the “War party”! Well now, which party was in office at the start of World Wars I & II? Which party was in office during the escalation of the Viet Nam war? Which party leaders were urging Bill Clinton to “take out” Saddam Hussein during the 1990’s? Bill Clinton did respond by launching a missile attack on a factory during the Monica Lewinsky embarrassment! That would be those Liberals – the Democrats.

rc35

August 28th, 2010
8:54 am

During my senior year in high school (the year before Roe v. Wade), a fellow student wrote a term paper arguing that legalizing elective abortion would mean the end of child abuse because “every child would be a wanted child.”

Instead, child abuse has skyrocketed since that time. You cannot make a simple “post hoc” argument that blames it all on elective, non-therapeutic abortion, but I do believe that when a society devalues the life of a child two months before birth, it becomes easier to devalue the life of a child two months after birth. If “sucking air” is the criterion of value, why not the ability to walk? If “taking a breath on your own” becomes the criterion, what happens to Grandpa after a stroke, or a college student after a tragic traffic accident? Do we start writing people off because of physical disabilities from which they may or may not recover?

It has been documented that couples have chosen to abort babies simply because they were the “wrong” sex. Wanted a boy, ultrasound shows a girl…oops! Let’s erase this one and try again!

The “Right to Life” camp is not populated by just one type of person. We’re not all “Bible thumpers” who want to impose our selected view of the world on everybody. When, however, you see that elective abortion can lead to the devaluing of society’s most helpless people, there are reasons for reasonable people to oppose it.

jconservative

August 28th, 2010
9:15 am

Kyle, this will always be a topic that draws an audience.

As you point out abortion is the “law of the land”. A part of the fundamental “right to privacy” from government intervention that all Americans enjoy, per the Supreme Court. Seven of the nine members of the current Supreme Court, when asked at their confirmation hearings, said that “Roe v Wade is settled law”. So unless some of the seven are bald faced l**rs, one can expect Roe to be the the law of the land for the foreseeable future.

But the chipping away will continue at the state level. And some of it will be successful.

A close reading of history shows that this country moves in “trends”. Starting in 2003 with Bush signing the Medicare drug bill, the first new entitlement in over 30 years, the door was opened for more entitlement legislation; see the health care bill signed by Obama for proof. And you can expect more entitlement legislation in the next few years. The door has been opened.

So there have been attempts in most state legislatures to “chip away” at Roe. And it will be successful to a limited extent. Again, the country moves in trends and the trend is to “relax” the Roe decision.
(There is also a trend to relax the “no same sex marriage” laws & that seems to be working.)

But will the Court completely reverse Roe v Wade?

The ingredients are there. The Catholic Church is strictly opposed to abortion; six of the nine members of the Court are Catholic. Will church membership influence their vote? The vast majority of “conservatives” say they do not want supreme court justices making decisions based on their “personal” tastes, but to simply apply the Constitution. A majority of “liberals” concur. A vocal minority in both camps want specific rulings regardless of how the decision is reached.

The years ahead will be fascinating.

J.B. STONER

August 28th, 2010
9:25 am

I say pass out the condoms in Atlanta and Fulton Co. and practice safe sex.
This will stop the take over(it’s probably too late) and ship the illegals to Iran and bedone with all these problems.
Then we could sleep again with our doors unlocked.

Remember those days folks???

Tyler Durden

August 28th, 2010
9:36 am

Not so casual observer:

If it takes over 70 years of to make a connection to your argument, you’re really, really reaching. Go eat some freedom fries, whine about France and let the rational Americans focus on cleaning up your ‘Mission Accomplished’. In the meantime, please be more casual in your observations: the adults are talking :-)

Chris Sanchez

August 28th, 2010
9:43 am

In a highly charged election year such as this, how about having the boldness to say something to the effect that this issue is a non-issue! I have yet to meet someone who has changed their view of abortion once formed. It may be interesting to know a politicians view on the subject but there is almost no chance that one of these pols will actually make any meaningful change to existing law. If the stance of the candidate on abortion is the sole reason the masses elect one of them then we deserve what we get.

How about discussing what can be done to attract more business to Georgia? How about discussing ways to make Georgia friendly to small business? How about discussing the miserable state of Georgia’s public schools? How about discussing the water situation in Georgia and the failure of state government to resolve it?

nelson

August 28th, 2010
9:57 am

There has to be a starting point for abortion. The starting point is a “Rainy Night in Georgia.” I just love the way Lena Horn sings it. That is the starting point, tooooo many rainy nights and toooo much time to think about “Georgia on my Mind.” She was a wonderful girl, but alas it did not last. The sun came out and there were other things to do. The statistics just came out, the birth rate in the U.S. was the lowest in 100 years. The populance knows how to control growth, when the economy sinks low enough and money becomes scarce, there are fewer births. Soooooo there is nothing to worry about. There were only 4 million + births this past year and factoring in the undocumented workers which contribute significantly to that number, if only lawful immigrants were in the U.S. it would go even lower.

josef nix

August 28th, 2010
10:07 am

landry
@ 9:45 p.m.

Let’s look at what you said a little more closely, shall we…and let’s be honest instead of memo riddled…

Inbred Georgia conservatives…? DNA has shown that the Southern states are no more so than other parts of the countries…I would posit, though I have no data, that the liberal element of Georgia tends to be more so as the liberal element does tend to be drawn from the financially and educationally advanced segments of the population, precisely those which, due to the family connections, have been those most often “sticking to their own kind.”

“You can see inbred conservative georgians throughout history: ”

“burning witches,”

Nope. That was New England and they didn’t burn ‘em, they hanged and drowned them…”

“blowing up black churches,”

That’s Georgian, all right…still going on, sadly…

” screaming at black school children integrating schools, ”

A long time ago, yes, but the latest I seem to recall was in Boston…a splutter or two that direction in NC recently, but in suburbs largely populated by newcomers…

“blaming jews for their financial woes,”
Nope, not a part of the Georgia mindset…Governors Emmanuel, Ottolenghe and a list of Jewish elected officials back from the colonial period forward does tend to offset the two which come to your mind, the Frank Case and the Temple bombing, viewed by Georgia JEWS as isolated and tragic incidences and by no means a pattern of behavior…

“attacking gays”
Still happening all over the country, Georgia’s stats here, while by no means good, do not put it “up there” with other states…

“demonizing immigrants,”
Yep. Georgia is lockstep with the mainstream of the rest of the country and pretty much the rest of the West in this–France, Belgium, Germany, the Czech Republic…

” and kicking minorities for sport….”
Yep, true here, too just like above. Georgia doesn’t really even stand out.

saywhat?

August 28th, 2010
10:29 am

Rafe @9:39 pm- I wasn’t talking about Democrats. I never said similar things don’t happen there as well. But Kyle was talking about the Republicans Party in Georgia. It doesn’t matter what Democrats do or don’t do when the right wing starts eating their own. The Republicans Party started a pissing match to see who could be further right than whom, and apply litmus tests against each other. There is that stupid Republican purity pledge candidates have to take. There is the embarrassing spectacle of multiple Congressional Republicans having had to kiss Rush Limbaughs fat, drug addicted, sex tourist, viagra huffing azz and apologize to him if they say something that isn’t “conservative” enough. While the Democrats have a size-able bloc of “blue dogs” who are actually integrated into the party, the republicans party castigates anybody who dares cross the party line on even a single issue as RINOs.There are nearly no centrists in the republicans party, because they are not tolerated by the uptightest of the rightest, who seem to be the ones in control.
I am glad that the republicans party has taken this course. It moves them further and further from mainstream America, and hopefully further and further from power.

midtownguy

August 28th, 2010
10:42 am

The democrats over tax and over spend and the republicans over tax an over spend. The ONLY difference is what they spend it on: Fighter Jets vs Food Stamps, Faith Based Contractors vs Community Organizers, Tax breaks vs low income housing.

@@

August 28th, 2010
10:42 am

It’s ironic how “right to privacy” legislation (Roe v Wade) made its way into the public arena.

As for me, I’ll always lend my voice to the unborn, but Roe v Wade IS settled law. It’s the left’s creep with the abortion issue that concerns me.

Sarah Palin? During the campaign, the left painted her as strictly opposed to abortion. Why did they do that, when it wasn’t true? Because they chose to ignore the message so they could kill the messenger.

She stated during the campaign that she would never impose her beliefs about abortion on others, so she clearly is pro-choice; she just didn’t believe abortion was the right choice for her. What…the left would have preferred she keep her choice private. Not only that, but she also stated that she had considered an abortion, but chose life.

And before the left-wingers jump on her stance regarding sex education, just know…

She supported comprehensive sex education with abstinence included…simple as that.

I wish the media and politicians would focus more on the alternatives to abortion…adoption being my preference to…

Disgusted

August 28th, 2010
10:48 am

Conservatives politicians will do anything—anything—to regain national power. And if it means exploiting the abortion issues to regain it, they’ll exploit it. And the sheep will go right along.

And once they succeed, guess what? Abortion as an issue will be largely lip-service. The focus will be on enriching the core constituency—the wealthy and businesses. Abortion will be ginned-up as an issue only to keep the suckers satisfied. Nothing will really be done about it. And it happens at the state level too.

So go ahead and chime in with your baaaa and baaaa. You’re doing exactly what your masters want you to do. And people like Kyle Wingfield are their mouthpieces. He knows it, and you’re too stupid to recognize it.

Streetracer

August 28th, 2010
11:13 am

Personally I’m aginst abortion in most every case. However I don’t quite understand why it is any of the governments business. Seems to me that government has three functions National defense, Public safty/civil order, and stable economic system. I don’t see how abortion fits any of those.