Europe shows the result of total insistence on tolerance

After the muslims read the first amendment they
should read the second amendment.

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KYLE

But we are NOT Europe…we are supposed to be better than that. THEY are the ones banning the burqa, prohibiting new mosque construction and deporting citizens whose ethnicities they are not fond of…

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But nobody’s banning anything. People are speaking their minds–on both sides. Isn’t that what freedom is about? Obama’s original statement about the Constitution was bogus, because nobody’s arguing whether it should be illegal to put up a mosque. They’re saying they find it offensive. Which is their right, just as it’s your right, or anyone else’s, to disagree.

That’s how you wave a towel.

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I am a 100% disabled american veteran who gave my life and health for my country and on september 11th 2001, many workers, business people. cleaners, waiters, secretaries, office clerks, undocumented workers, kitchen help, professionals, police, fire fighters, ambulance and emergency professionals and just plane neighbors, friends and volunteers gave their lives and health just like everybody else: Muslims. I serve my god and my country because of my faith and anyone who can say that I am less than they are or that any of the souls who sacrificed on September 11th, 2001 are less than they are is a racist. Hate monger. and hates america and all it stands.

Yes, Muslim Americans are every bit as American as you. Islam Has had has now and never will have anything against America and all who say so are the same kinds of liars as the ones who attacked us on that day. Tolerance of mosques and muslims is not a question any decent christian or jew or buddhist or atheist can entertain if the have any love for America in their minds and hearts.

We have been here ever since 1492, on Columbus’s ships. We were dragged here against our wills on Portuguese ships and sold to Christians as chattel slaves. Our music. African Muslim music and song are the basis of the American musical tradition. Banjos were invented by African sufis.

This writer defiles and pollutes the very foundation of what is America. This writer defiles and pollutes the sacrifices of William Penn, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas |Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln. Sojourner Truth, Eleanor Roosevelt. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Harvey Milk, and says Americans are racists.

NHo/ Me my mother, my sisters and brothers my friends who died in the WTC on September 11th, my family who lost their home, my colleagues I will never see again, suffer the same grief and to see this hate mongering against Muslims who were attacked and killed by these soulless terrorists, to be denied our right to mourn, the right to pray and right to serve because of this hatred, blind stupid ignorant hatred fanned up by soulless politicians is a curse on America who only want to make profit from hatred.

We are here from the beginning. We are here now. We built America and nobody has the right to throw us out. When you do so, you become the terrorists and you and all the terrorists will never win. America. God bless us. We the people, including everybody.

Don’t you dare call yourself an American if you cannot believe in WE the People.

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the author is correct. when all of us are helpless with a war; lack of jobs; politicians that don’t care what we think; & an inability to help our children get jobs, hurting our feelings is a “last straw”.

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BMC
The point on banning is well made. That’s why I say we need to be careful. The more we ratchet up the rhetoric, the closer we come…

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Seriously? Its 2 whole blocks away. I am against ALL religions but just because someone holds a particular set of beliefs which happen to coincide with a handful of terrorists doesnt mean you should punish the whole group. There are many Catholic Priests etc who are guilty of many heinous sins against innocents, but nobody tars the entire Catholic population with that brush. And seriously ITS TWO BLOCKS AWAY. With the amount of fluffed up feathers we’re hearing about in Australia, many of us are assuming its on the actual twin towers site. Grow up already.

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What I love about America and being American is that nobody can stop me from saying that I don’t like Islam as a religion, I find it backwards and un-enlightened. I don’t like Muslims and I don’t like their mosques. God Bless America.

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why does it hurt your feelings lanum? you sentimental about burlington coat factory being gone?

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Mr. Wingnut has risen to the occasion as an apologist for the ugly American. Sure, let us deny first amendment freedoms to people around whom we feel uncomfortable because other people misused the name of their religion in the commission of a heinous terrorist attack. Let us continue to commit atrocities and war crimes in Afghanistan and the other places where we continue to prosecute the unilateralist and interventionist foreign policy that has wrecked a great many countries over the last two centuries or so. Let us continue to loudly badger our enemies about ‘democracy’, ‘free and fair elections’ and the ‘rule of law’ when we practice none of these lofty ideals ourselves. Let us continue to blindly support the terrorist state of Israel and then pretend that we cannot understand why so many folks in the Middle East do not trust us. And most certainly do let us continue to suffer from collective amnesia about the genocide and ethnic cleansing that we committed in the name of Manifest Destiny. As citizens of this shameful nation, we owe it to ourselves to continue to behave with boorish brutality both at home and around the world.

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Some of the first countries in the world to form diplomatic relations with the new United States of America in the 18th and 19th Centuries were Muslim and Arab countries such as the Sultanate of Oman which sent a Royal Yacht to visit the new republic. Al Qaeda and terrorism has been condemned by every Muslim head cleric in the world as anti-Islamic and bin Laden has been declared officially throughout the world as an enemy of Islam.

Throughout the world, immediately starting on September 11th as soon as the news came out, Muslim clerics started prayers for the victims of the terrorists. Why none of this is reported in US papers god knows, but the world’s largest democracy is a Muslim country, India where many states are virtually 100% Muslim and the world’s largest Muslim country is a democracy and a US ally.

Most Muslims I have known in the world want to be Americans.

This hatred of others wherever it occurs is a satanic demonic curse and no: intolerance of Muslims is just as intolerable as intolerance of anybody else. Anybody who thinks that propagating this hate is anything but satanic and inhuman should go back and watch buffy the vampire slayer again.

Watch X-men and heroes, or any of the great icons of US American values, whether the sermons by Martin Luther King or the speeches by Milk or by Eleanor Roosevelt in the UN.

Hating anybody in the US because of how they pray is from the devil. And god frankly does not forgive hate, in Moses, or the Gospels or the Sutras or the Quran or the Gospel of Handsome Lake, or in West Side Story.

Go back and learn your history and start loving America again. So many have sacrificed so much not so we can be the world’s hate securities market, but to show the beacon, The American Beacon on the Hill.

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Winston are your really that dim? Is it catching because after reading your tripe I feel dumber. You must be a speech writer for Obama trolling the Internet to continue the apology tour. Manifest Destiny? What was that the essay of the month in the Marxist Quarterly?

Americans and have nothing to apologize for, well except for Obama. If you feel as you have stated you can give up your citizenship and move to Pakistan.

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Just admit your wrong on this Kyle and move on. You will not be that condemned by the GOP. You will find another person to blame for everything soon.

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pete when calling someone dim, you should check your own knowledge beforehand. Manifest Destiny is anything but marxist. it is why the country has as many states as it does. Killing.

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Today is the 90th anniversary of the 19th
amendment which guarantees women
the right to vote, point being tolerance
is not really all that old, not a good
thing to push at the moment. I would
give the same advice to the Westboro
Baptist church members who are protesting
at the soldiers funerals.

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nix you want us to worry about a name that is from 711AD spain? the muslim army vs romans big deal, who did the romans take it from? who has it now? if it has anyother meaning besides a city’s name let me know. muslims can not and will not take this country over because they have a mosque in ny with the name cordoba. just like anyother religion can not and will not take over the country because they have a place of war(sic)ship in ny.

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CJ
First off, it’s not sitting where the Twin Towers once stood. Secondly, I have not seen the architectural plans, but I would assume that it might well conform to Islamic architecture (just as do the Catholic churches which dot the Spanish American Southwest) and have a “pointy dome” the same as a Christian church might have a steeple or a Sephardic synagogue might have a magen david rose window…

Hateful as I am? Whom do I hate?

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ok, pete has to be fake. give me one example of what the democrats have done that the republicans wouldn’t. fix healthcare (atleast try, cause I haven’t seen nothing i still pay the same thing) republicans wouldn’t have touched it. taxes cuts, democrats did it (bush’s haven’t expired yet and they still did it). i guess republicans just do the that same thing better to you. (oh oh and the republicans wanted the democrats to account for their tax cuts with spending cuts which they do) you must think the way republicans don’t do that is much better.

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Josef new theory; columbus supposedly used a map
belonging to admiral piri reis, a persian, when he
came to the indies. Is it possible that the persian
explorers settled the North East and the Iroquois,
before the French messed with the spelling was
actually Iraqi?

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“And they will conclude that even in America, with a prouder history of assimilation and inclusiveness than Europe has, it would be prudent to meet this outrage with something other than finger-wagging.”

Kyle–I gotta say, you just blew whatever good will you had built up over the last few days with this conservative. The only “solution” to your “concerns” would be to sanction discrimination against a particular group based solely upon their religious affiliation. And to accomplish that, you will need to overturn a key part of our Constitution, a part that I hold near and dear as a non-Christian.

In case you forgot, the non-Establishment clause was created in response to the oppressiveness that sanctioned discrimination in Europe had created in the Middle Ages. Your “solution” is far worse than the problem, and you should know that.

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Barbara Boxer “And her bad manners” I’m sure she was calling that career military officer by his rank…Why should she not expect the same courtesty….Al Franken, are you kidding me! He is one of the most knowledgeble senators. “Rude” who has he been rude too? According to your own words..You and Barney Frank share the same private lifestyles (are you not a homo with a live in boyfriend) Well there you go….But, you still haven’t answered the question…One liberal who is no a democrat?

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barking
Good one!

On the maps and Columbus…on his ships there were at least seven Jews who, while their fellow Jews were being driven out of Spain following the Alhambra Decree, were not allowed to leave and were forced to go with Ole Chris, their expertise in cartography and maritime nivigation being that important…the Jews having been the unchallenged experts in this field in Moorish Spain…also there was MY hero of the voyage, Luis de Torres, his interpreter…

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problem

Why I bother, I don’t know…but military decorum (not to mention manners and protocol) are to address using “ma’am” and “sir.” The same vice-versa. She is not required to address him as anything other than “sir.” And Franken? Yeah, sure, whatever. Frank? Ah, my good liberal colleague, “are you not a homo with a live in boyfriend?” You’re sheet’s showing with your choice of words, Pombo, and with friends like you, who needs enemies?

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Well I am glad to hear we finally all recognise that Muslims discovered and founded America on their own. Hopefully they will teach the next generation of children that Bin Al’Drin and Ne Al Immamstrong were the first two Muslims to walk on the moon.

If the poop rises any higher I will be breathing it.

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In politics, public perception is everything. Problem is…this administration has no perception of the public’s sentiments.

Americans are just ink spots on Obama’s bottom line.

I’d love to observe Obama taking a Rorschach Test. He’d probably look at the cards and say…..”It’s a uhmmmm (fill in blank here) NO WAIT! It looks more like a (fill in blank here) but on second….or is it third thought? It could be a (fill in blank here).

Can I go back and clarify my first pronouncement?”

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What most people don’t realize is society and humanity has been at war with Islam from its inception or Muhammed’s proclamation he was the last prophet sent by God. Even China has problem with jihad. The Jews and Christians in Medina did not accept Muhammed and he ordered the murder of over 800 people in Banu Qurayza. What secular people don’t realize is all religions are not the same and have have different beliefs on the nature of God and the substance of God(s) or a higher powers.

As a Christian I am bound by my covenant to love my neighbor and help my fellow man(woman) regardless if they are atheist, gay, whatever race or political party they are affiliated with. The final judge is God. I practice evangelism however this is where you make a choice if you want to follow Christian scripture, teachings, and traditions. Its call free-will. In Islam free-will does not exist especially in Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia, or Afghanistan. Example would be when a person converts from Islam to say Judism, they can be executed for forgoing their faith. Islam also teaches God is too far away to have a personal relationship, which is idiotic and simple minded. In Iraq it is documented Muslims kill homosexuals openly without being prosecuted. Is this the nature of God or God’s will? I see God in nature and all human-beings, thus all religions are not the same.

This is the problem when you have ignorant secular politicians that don’t know about religious history and faith traditions. Remember Nancy Pelosi was call in by the Catholic Church about her comments on abortion and Catholic Church policies . Here is here comment: REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition.

Here is the Catholic Churches position as stated in the Catechism of the Holy Catholic Church
The inalienable rights of the person(embroy) must be recongnized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took this origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death. Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its intergity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

She said abortions was when the Catholic Church’s position about abortion is they are against abortion but Queen Nancy said otherwise. Europe became secular and as a result they are having clashes with Islamic faith and traditions and European culture and law. At some point the clashes will become deadly, example the problems France had last year and many of the problems England is having with Immans imposing Sharia law on British citizens.

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problem
For military personnel, yes, for civilians, no.

Liberals who are not Democrats? Oh, just about anybody in the Green Party…Vermont’s Senator Bernie Sanders…Joseph Cao of Louisiana (voted yea on the health care bil, remember? Pretty liberal, I’d say.) Georgia gubernatorial candidate Monds…just off the top of my head here…

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If you yanks want to see UK tolerance take the underground (subway) to East London (in England), Aldgate East for example or Whitechapel. Then take a nice walk East. You will see exactly what tolerance has got the people of London: A very dangerous no-go area with an exploding Muslim population about half the size of Gaza, and just as radical.

Most European cities are predicted to have Muslim majorities within fifty years. This all starts with building Mosques.

The day Saudi Arabia builds Churches and Synagogues is the day the West should allow the building of Mosques. ‘nuf said ‘init

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PETE
And FYI, the French relations with the Choctaw were pretty good…it was only when the Brits came in in 1763 that the trouble started…

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Josef Is it possible that alabama is actually Allahbama?

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barking

Let’s not forget that place on the West Bank, Algiers!

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Southern Comfort: Eurabia is the Ghost of Christmas Future for the US if nothing is done to stop Islam. It is not like any other immigration that we have had in the past. It is tearing Europe apart. The only reason it has not impacted us is that there is an ocean between us and they cannot infest this Nation like Europe. Islam is tolerant as long as you convert to Islam, become a Dhimmi (second class citizen) or elect to be executed. Another critical difference is that Muslims only recognizes the Koran as the highest law of the land. It is not just a holy book, it is literally the law and would trump the Constitution.

There are those in this Country now trying to argue that Sharia law should be allowed here only for business transactions. Obama and Harold Koh are among those. That is how it was forced on some British areas and they are now suffering the consequences. The same nose of the camel migration and damage that is being done in Europe will work its way here. Why do we want to open the doors of this Nation to such a cancer?

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problem

If you want to believe that all liberals are Democrats and all Democrats are liberals there’s not much I could do to change that idee fixe…

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Pete

Make sure you build you an anti-Islam panic room on your house too. As for me, I’ll stake my faith in the U.S. Constitution and the men and women who have taken oaths to defend it.

1) Do you honestly believe that somehow we’ll end up with a national religion after we’ve gone some 200 plus years without one?
2) Do you honestly believe the men and women I mentioned earlier would allow #1 to happen?
3) Do you honestly believe that the 2nd Amendment group will let #1 happen?

The only way Islam will take over this country is by changing the Constitution. That’s not likely to happen because of what it takes to amend that brilliant document. It’s not gonna happen by coup. We’ve been thru one Civil War and this country is still standing. I just don’t see it.

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josef nix: I understand about the French. The defeat in the French Indian War took France out of contention to colonize the US and opened the door for the Revolutionary War and the formation of America. It may have been different if France had maintained a strong foothold to the North, eh?

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Liberals who are not Democrats? How about Democrats who are truly Liberals? Contrary to popular belief, this country does not actually have a viable ‘left’ and those who are often referred to as ‘liberal’ would certainly not be referred to as liberal in the true liberal democracies of Europe. America has a far-right and a centre-right. True, the Democratic party does have a few true liberals (Dennis Kucinich comes to mind) but for the most part, the left seems to have packed up and fled the country around the time of McCarthy, never to return. Other liberals like Ralph Nader are too truly liberal to even be accepted into the political establishment. The knee-jerk reactionaries of this country really have no reason to worry about liberals turning their world upside down since there are not enough liberals about to even attempt to do so. As for the suggestion that I move to Pakistan, I have actually spent quite a bit of time in Pakistan, but never lived there. During that time period I was living in Mumbai (India, in case you are as geographically challenged as you are intellectually challenged). But for most of the last 25 years I have lived in wonderfully liberal Europe, where I will be (thankfully) returning in a couple of weeks after a long visit with family and friends over here.

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BTW JOSEF What is Idee Fixe? Is that kinda like what I think, or what I believe….If so just say so.

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Southern Comfort: After spending 16 years in the Middle East I may have a different take on it. If you want to see first hand how it works go to some of the Muslim “no drive” zones in Europe.

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. . . More confusion. What is Really needed……

A teachable moment for Obama.

Leadership means pointing to clear defined goals and energizing Main Street. It means stating confidence in the bearing – clear heading and clear direction.

What’s Obama doing exactly? America is yearning for Leadership. . . .

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2010/08/pent-up-pressures-will-explo de-into-new.html

It is not the nature of the average American to want coddling by big government.

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Zen, you are blowing the danger of muslim neighbourhoods in London way out of proportion. The most dangerous area of London, like the estates of Hackney, Camden and Tower Hamlets, certain parts of Croydon, Enfield etc. are not primarily muslim areas. The no go areas in places like Bristol and Hull are also not primarily muslim. Let’s not blame social decay in poor neighbourhoods solely on muslims when there are other groups (including poor white John Bulls who vote for the BNP) who are just as much, if more to blame.

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Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe are far from liberals. One thing about them is that they vote their hearts not Mitch McConnels, but more often then not they will vote there republican ways.

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There is already two mosques? Why one more? Who funds it? Why can’t they fund Pak muslims suffering in floods? It is muslims tradition to build victory mosques. They did in it India. Built mosques on the holy temples in Ayodhya and Mathura. Why didn’t a single Imam issue a fatwa aganist osama for name sake. They support him. They see him as true muslim. Internally proud of him.
If the Imam issues fatwa aganist Osama he can build mosque with the saudi funds..

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Southern Comfort
“That, by far, is the worst logical argument ever made. Thanks for parroting Newt’s stupidity”

That is right padwan: Anyone who disagrees with you, or the freedom of Saudi Arabia to built a Mosque where there are no muslims living (in a financial district of NY), precisely where their countrymen downed the twin towers; is ’stupid’.

Perhaps if you imagine that the Saudis who attacked the twin towers were in army uniform, and then imagine that the ones building the Cordoba centre (intentionally and provocatively named after a Spanish city where a conquering Islamic army built a mosque on the site of a church they destroyed) were also in uniform; you might see the picture.

However the Saudi Whabists are not stupid enough to attack the US in their own uniforms…yet. The reason they are not in uniform is to fool and confuse people like you.

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josef,

With Elke it could range from her own private crops to her own private corpse. Season finale too.

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Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe are far from liberals.

problem,

If you get to be the final arbiter on who fits where then what’s the point of answering your question?

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I’ll invite you to the Rose Garden for a lemonaid social! ISH

problem

idee fixe is neither a thought nor a belief..but a “fixed idea” something accepted without question and not open to discussion

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London’s No-Go Zones

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RW…Why are you even questioning me? You don’t seem to understand the original question which was ‘Tell me a liberal who is not a democrat?”
The answer is NO ONE…Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe are hardly liberal…..So buzz off RW unless you have something of importance to say!

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Europe sucks.

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“The day you oppose Catholic churches near daycares and Tea Party rallies near Centennial Park”

Nothing like a retarded left winger.

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Zen

So you’re saying that Saudi society is equal to the US? Saudi recognizes Islam as their official religion. Does the US have a state sanctioned official religion? Saudi does not recognize other religions nor do they recognize the right to religious expression for religions other than Islam. Is that the way the 1st Amendment reads?

The people building the community center are Americans. Their financing may come from Saudi. Our financing for our military comes from China. So by your reasoning, the Chinese army is fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, right? That’s who’s funding them.

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josef nix: If you netflix there is an interesting documentary on the French Indian Wars.

Southern Comfort: To quote Monty Python, “No one expected the Spanish Inquisition”. Here is a good site to start at. Google Dhimmitude and it will take you to some interesting reading.

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/

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“I’m sorry, but I can’t read”

Yep CJ, we all already knew that one, ma’am.

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“I didn’t realize what some of you have picked up so quickly from listening to Fox News”

LOL, yep it’s ALL Fox News fault for the muslims who killed 3000 people on 911.

Hey Khurram,

How’s bout speaking out against radical islam? How’s bout quit pointing fingers at a news organization and take responsibility for your own insane religion that calls for killing innocent people, raping women and stoning little girls.

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Such a pity, the state that so-called “Conservative” thought has come to. There used to be a time when to be a conservative was to revel in the bold argument, at going slightly against the grain. And here I’m talking about the heyday of Buckley et al.

There’s one of you on the Larry King show right now spouting a perfectly typical non sequitur:

“Why is it that the supporters are focusing on this one building?”

What said conservative is forgetting – it’s a peculiar form of forgetting – is that in her very insistence on arguing against the mosque, she’s doing precisely what she’s accusing her opponents of doing.

This isn’t rigorous thought of the type Buckley and so forth would approve of. Then again, maybe I give him (and old school conservativism) too much credit.

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Europe’s problem isn’t tolerance, it’s segregation. Segregation isn’t really tolerance it’s pseudo tolerance.

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Pete

From your link…

We now have the specter of triumphant Islam building a giant mosque mere yards from Ground Zero in New York City where Islamic fanatics, in the name of Allah, destroyed the World Trade Center and the two magnificent towers. The mosque will rise to thirteen or more stories and overlook the blasted hole in the ground that was once a symbol of America’s freedom and technical ingenuity.

Have you been to NY before? Lower Manhattan? If not, google 47-47 Park Place, NY, NY and put the little google guy on the street so you can see the street view. With 12-15 story buildings across the street, there will be almost no view of Ground Zero from that building. They would have to build pretty high up to get a view of the ground as they are two blocks from GZ and there’s another tall building on Barclay St. that they would have to be able to see over.

Now, when the new towers are built, that community center, along with St. Nicholas and other buildings in the area, will sit in the shadows of the new towers. There will be no looming mosque in Lower Manhattan unless they’re secretly planning a building of 30-40 stories.

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SoCo, thanks for correcting that misinformation.

Khurram, in spite of the irrational haters here and the other places you mentioned, ALL of us Americans are in this together.

And we Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, atheists and every other stripe and color will never cower to the worst of these blood thirsty agents of cowardly hatred and blind injustice. Whether in Manhattan or Marietta.

Selah. (From Hebrew, “Let those with eyes see and with ears hear”.)

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At least you admit the Saudis are purposefully funding the mosque in NY that is the subject of this story.

I was merely repeating what you said. As far as trying to divert and disrupt, isn’t that the purpose of this whole argument? As I said earlier, I’ll put my faith in the men and women who have pledged to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution. My faith in G*d lets me know everything will be ok. That’s just the Christian in me… no worries, no fear, all faith.

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“Khurram, in spite of the irrational haters here and the other places you mentioned, ALL of us Americans are in this together.”

That coming from a brain dead left winger who calls other people talibaptist, nuts@cks etc.. Yep, BedWet is just full of tolerance. By the way ma’am, we’re NOT in this together. Most of America can’t stand islam and all of it’s hate.

“And we Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, atheists and every other stripe and color will never cower to the worst of these blood thirsty agents of cowardly hatred and blind injustice. ”

You just did, coward.

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“SoCo, thanks for correcting that misinformation. ”

Ah yes, the “misinformation” card left wing retards like to play. BedWet doesn’t know that LA is the abbreviation for Louisiana yet she somehow knows all about islam.

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Hey ScamVet, explain this, hommie.

Hamas nod for Ground Zero mosque

Terror group’s leader: ‘Have to build it’

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/hamas_nod_for_gz_mosque_cSohH9eha8sNZMTDz0VVPI

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Zen, why would I ever want to walk in those places? I am not saying that they are lily white neighbourhoods, I am simply saying that they are not the worst of the worst and that there are many worse places about. My wife’s parents live in Hammersmith, thankfully far from the places that either you or I have mentioned. I just think that it is disingenuous of you to put forth that the worst places in London are muslim neighbourhoods when we both know full well that there are many more dangerous places that are not primarily muslim.

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It’s time to call it a night. Guess I need to walk the perimeter to ensure no Muslim extremists have snuck up on my while I was blogging.

Later all!!

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“AmVet, thank you for your kind words.”

Yeah, you’ll find the draft dodging BedWet to be an ally for you. She hates America just like muslims.

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An Al-Qaeda regional office in lower Manhatten would be offensive. But I don’t see why a mosque is offensive. Just because Al-Qaeda consists of Muslims doesn’t mean that all Muslims are supporters of Al-Qaeda.

I guess since many Klan members in our history were members of a Christian church, that must mean that all Christians were supporters of the Klan. My goodness, blacks should have protested the building of Christian churchs throughout this great land.

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Khurram,you are welcome.

And not to worry my friend, your single beautiful post has more power in it than all of the hateful garbage written here in a month.

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Like I said, Americans don’t like islam.

More Disapprove Than Approve of Obama Mosque Remarks

More Americans disapprove than approve of President Barack Obama’s recent comments concerning the planned construction of a mosque near where the Sept. 11 terror attacks occurred in New York City, but 4 in 10 do not have an opinion on the matter. The vast majority of those with an opinion hold it strongly

http://www.gallup.com/poll/142202/Disapprove-Approve-Obama-Mosque-Remarks.aspx

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Grand Forks

You know, come to think of it, isn’t Ms Laura Schlesinger is on your side on most things, such as this mosque issue?

Well, she’s getting her lunch handed to her right now on the next show on CNN.

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“Fixed News…$1 million dollars donated by Rupert Murdock to the republican party… FAIR and BALANCED…you betcha!”

Nothing like left wing retard wealth envy.

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SoCo, stand tall. (And don’t forget to look behind the bushes!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v10gEIUcK70

Try again tomorrow…

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No envy my friend from North Dakota, as and heir of 2,500 acres in the Williston Basin which has just been leased out to Petro Hunt I think I’ll do just fine down the road!

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Pelosi wants to investigate Americans who oppose the Ground Zero mosque, and it’s the AJC’s own Cynthia Tucker claiming that it’s the GOP showing signs of McCarthyism?

Cynthia Tucker: Hypocrite. Terrorist-coddler.

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Hope all you women are enjoying your right to vote, which you will not have under muslim law. And yes, you will look fat in a burka.

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Grand Forks … Get real or get stepped on…I have worked most of my life, I served in Vietnam, I have served in the guard and reserve for an accumulation of over 20 years of service. I retired last year after 25 years of service with a fortune 100 company….Whatever I have I have earned (Not to mention putting two great kids through college, and grad school) So go piss up a rope you ole bitter f*ck…Whatever comes down the pike as an inheiretance is ice cream on the pie. I’ll flip you the bird as I flash by in my red Aston Martin!

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Some of the delightful words vet has used to describe other bloggers: talibaptist, @sshole, @ssclown, idiot, stupid, klanner………

What’s that old saying mr. Forks….”If the shoe fits” or something like that!

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Those of you who want us to be tolerant, should that not go both ways? The gist of this article is about how Europe WAS tolerant to the extreme, and now they have to undo their mistake. Buyer’s remorse.

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I think the best idea was posted somewhere else on the net. Just open a Gay Bar next to a Mosque and you will see their true colors on assimilation and tolerance.

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What this is is a warning against being so tolerant that you blindly submit to invasion by a muslim culture that does not seek to assimilate itself, but to force out free speech and thought. They will use our tolerance as their weapon, just as they have in Europe–where returning troops from the Middle East are jeered and had things thrown at them by muslims. When the left finally wakes up to what has happened, it will all be over, and way too late to do anything about it.

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For those of you who claim this is just about a sensitvity issue and not about hatred…then can you explain why there are other Mosque in the area already? Some are also saying it’s because this particular issue was hit by the planes as well. I seem to recall the Pentagon getting hit as well. Explain why there isn’t a big protest over the fact they Muslims have prayer in the Pentagon…only 80 feet from where the Pentagon was hit?

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Moonbat Betty,

I wish it were really up to New Yorkers. As a native New Yorker myself, it would be nice to think that the good folks of my hometown truly have the right of self-determination. If it were up to Mayor Bloomberg, perhaps they would. But just as Americans have claimed the right to determine what happens to Ground Zero, a part of Manhattan that most of them have never and will never visit, they claim the right to determine what happens on other parts of the island. On their own, they would not be able to actually influence what happens, but now that the issue has become an issue for national debate, the voice of non-New Yorkers may well influence what ultimately happens there.

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Winston,

It should/could be determined by the constituents of nyc.

From what I understand, there is a wide spread residential resistance to allow the mosque, no?

Just curious.

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I am amazed @ the ignorance being shown here in relation to Islam. The stated goal of islam is to replace all the governments throughout the world with sharia law. Wherever islam is throughout the world there is terror, death, violence,intolerance, and war. It is a “religion” that is spread by force and violence. Always has been. They invade a country, impose sharia law, and kill anyone who disagrees with them and does not submit to their control. On 9-11, there was dancing in the streets throughout the muslim world because they had “struck a blow to the great satan”.
Why the hell should Americans be forced to tolerate that? Its BS & its time for right thinking Americans to stand up to this assault on our society and resist these people.Muslims! If you want sharia law, go back to mecca and leave us the hell alone.

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Winston 11:32pm

You said: “My wife’s parents live in Hammersmith, thankfully far from the places that either you or I have mentioned” I only mentioned the Muslim areas of London.

You accept that Muslims pay for Mosques and Muslim infastructure, but you then deny that there is an organised effort to import their culture…you are contradicting yourself now.

You refer to ” the Jewish question” this is the precise language of the Third Reich. There is no ‘problem’ with all Jews; unless you are someone (sadistic and genocidal) that wants to kill them all.

You attempt to spin your revisionist ‘Islamic history’: Israel is not illegal, the UN voted recognition of it and the League of Nations created a legal madate for its re-creation (as it had existed before Muslims invaded it). In German surveys of the 1800s there were a majority of Jews living in what is now Israel including East Jerusalem which was later ethnically cleansed of Jews by the Muslims. The British inherited the mandate over Trans-Jordan which includes what is now Israel from the League of Nations at the end of the First World War. The League granted independence to many Muslim countries and set the scene for the freedom of all Muslims over the next three decades. Part of that plan was to provide the Jews a homeland as well. ALL of Trans-Jordan was given to the British to control under a legal Mandate, in order to re-constitute a Jewish country. However the British ILLEGALLY gave approximately 80% of the land to the Muslims who then founded the majority ‘Palestinian’ country of Jordan. So strictly speaking the Muslims already hold the majority of what the League of Nations provided for the Jews. In fact more Jews were expelled from Muslim countries in the late 1940s than the then entire Muslim population of what is now Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. You seem to have missed history class. Or perhaps you are misrepresenting history on purpose. Perhaps this is more in the line of the “Muslims founded the USA” stupidity?

You repeat the libels, lies and revisionism of classic Judeophobics. This is why non Muslims fear the Islamic cultural invasion of traditionally non-Muslim countries. It is not Islamaphobia, it is simple rationality. If you repeat such self-evident lies, nothing you have to say can be taken seriously.

This is not some Middle Eastern forum for ranting against Jews. Your libel against Jews is just an attempt to divert the debate. The subject is about a mosque being built in NY against the wishes of the vast majority of Americans. Stay on topic of you have the IQ to focus.

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They are more than irked to hear the speaker of the House of Representatives suggest that those Americans speaking out against the mosque should be investigated to see who’s bankrolling them

LEAVE PAMELA GELLER ALONE!!1!!!11!!

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This is a local New York Issue blowrn out of proportion by National Politics and we the people (gullible as we are) have grabed the bait and hook and bit down hard. It is fun to read between the lines on these blogs and see “Animal Farm” repeat itself each day.

As for us being Europe …we are’nt even close. Europe is right next door to the Muslim world much like we are adjacent to Spanish speaking countries, and like those states that border Mexico have sizeable population of their neighbors and citizens descendant from those countries.

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Shorter Kyle:

I hate Europe, it totally sucks and I don’t want my country to be anything like it because our working class might get uppity. But when it comes to institutionalized anti-Islamic bigotry, boy howdy, those Europeans are on to something.

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Would conservatives get their panties in this much of a twist if members of the southern baptist cult waned to build a worship center within two blocks of Centennial Park where tali-baptist terrorist Eric Rudolph set off his pipebombs?

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Most conservatives dont visit the trash heap centennial park. Its a dump.

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It just goes to show how corrupt Washington has become when the Speaker of the House cannot reason anything beyond the belief that all opinions are bankrolled.

Maybe all her opinions are based on someone paying her to think and express a viewpoint; but some of us in this beloved country, can stand for what is right on principle alone…a concept foreign to her and many others. Like an ol’ music teacher of mine used to say: “Oh, ye of little backbone…”

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Would conservatives get their panties in this much of a twist if members of the southern baptist cult wanted to build a worship center within two blocks of Centennial Park where tali-baptist terrorist Eric Rudolph set off his pipebombs?

Ebenezer Baptist Church‎. An “outrage.”

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some of us in this beloved country, can stand for what is right on principle alone…

Some do, most don’t (in this or any other country), and the smart money is ALWAYS on following the money.

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“Some do, most don’t (in this or any other country), and the smart money is ALWAYS on following the money.”

1 Tim. 6:10~For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

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It seems that modern conservatism cannot exist without finding a demon to be feared and demanding the whole world hurl itself with utter abandon into the flames of that fear. Those of us who don’t buy into the fear are held up as agents of this demon. It’s a simple tactic, and it works because there’s something deeply in human nature that responds to fear more sensitively than to other emotions–perhaps it’s what makes us feel a baby’s cry more fully than someone’s laughter, a leftover from our pre-verbal past when primal emotions were what allowed us to survive.

Kenneth Clarke once said that the great enemy of civilization is fear–it’s fear more than any other force that makes civilizations fall. Fear is all conservatism has to offer. You simply have no other ideas to offer.

I have no more affection for Islam than I do for any other organized religion. I think all of them are designed not to reveal God, but to conceal God. That being said, I don’t think it’s anybody’s business except the local residents and property owners what gets built in Manhattan or anywhere else. The mosque issue is nothing but an attempt to distract us from what we really need to be doing, which is trying to rebuild this tattered, bankrupt country, provide for our future and put people back to work.

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Any left wind idiot who can’t see this is a direct slap in the face to America is completely insane…

New York has offered several places in the city further away from the Trade Centers and the Muslims refuse. If it was just about building a center of worship, than why can’t they move further away?

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Isa,

You are a disabled American veteran from 9/11? Hmm..

OK, what branch of the service were you in? The people’s white house guards?

You’re nothing but a lying Muslim–though calling you a Muslim would be enough–trying to encourage your fitna among us for your filthy Muslim conquests.

Your religion is awful, your prophet was a criminal, your founders were warlords, and your countries are cesspools.

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Michael,

Read Isa’s comments early on.

You are an idiot.

At least you have your enemy, right. It’s me. It’s conservatives. Let’s face it; your enemy is actually a fake one–the straw-man argument you WANT to be your enemy so you can fool yourself and your allies into thinking that the popularity of the big-O isn’t draining down the shower like water.

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Kyle,

Your column here is excellent–to excellent to be dented by goofballs posting here…

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The day that America allows that mosque to be completed is the day that formal surrender to Islam papers should be drawn up by Congress and presented to the Taliban by the President. They will have won because of the spineless weaklings who were elected to the various positions of authority around this country. Eventually this country will collapse from within and have to be rebuilt by hard and uncompromising men.

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From National Review
“Everything you need to know about President Obama’s fraudulent ethics pledge can be summed up in four words: SEIU lawyer Craig Becker.

Becker is the left-wing lawyer Obama sneakily installed on the National Labor Relations Board. The U.S. Senate declined to confirm Becker’s nomination on a 52‒33 cloture vote in February. Obama responded by flipping senators the bird and ramming through his recess appointment during the congressional spring break. (The New York Times approvingly dubbed it a “muscular show of his executive authority.” When that authority was exercised by GOP president George W. Bush, of course, the Times editorial board called it a “constitutional gimmick.”)

From ajc.com
Georgia’s unemployment rate fell slightly to 9.9 percent in July from 10 percent in June, as discouraged workers gave up their job search so they are no longer counted as unemployed, the state labor department reported Thursday.

“Although the unemployment rate remained virtually unchanged, a growing number of discouraged workers dropped out of the workforce,” state Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond said in a statement. “For the second consecutive month, the number of jobs in our state declined, new layoffs increased and long-term unemployment continued to rise.”

Now, if anyone wants to continue to demonize conservatives, I’ll go get the popcorn.

Good luck in November!

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Kyle,

Your comparing Muslims in Europe to Muslims here is the old apples to oranges argument You talk about “no go” areas? When was the last time you took a stroll in the “hood”? And your feeling unwelcome in the “hood” here has nothing to do with immigrants, but economic deprivation. Europe might have socially liberal policies but those liberal policies do not extend immigrants. Discrimination against even lawful immigrants in Europe is blatant and in many places, not even illegal. Small wonder that there is a lot of resentment among immigrant communities, not just Muslims. As a result, many immigrants are restricted to menial, low paying jobs and that process is repeated with their children. Essentially, economic deprivation leads to the very conditions you speak about in European attitudes towards immigrants in general, not just Muslims. On the other hand, most Muslim immigrants and citizens in this country, are well educated and earn above average incomes.

Lets be clear about one thing: Muslims and American are not two separate terms. It amazes me that in all these debates where people say things like “Muslims need to be more aware of American sensitivities about 9/11 in regards to this mosque”. Excuse me? The very Muslims they are talking about are American citizens like you and me. It shocks me that conservatives who keep harping about defending the constitution are more than happy to trample it when it suits their selfish needs. This mosque (actually a community center with a mosque) is a local issue. They received all their necessary permits from the city of New York. A smaller, dedicated mosque already exists a few blocks away from the proposed site (a little over 2 blocks from Ground Zero) and has been there for many, many years. This only became an issue because of politicians needing to score a few selfish points and why let the constitution get in the way, right?

Yes, America NOW has a great tradition of assimilation. You seem to forget that not very long ago, many minorities and immigrants had problems buying homes in certain areas. Jews and Catholics had problems building synagogues and churches. So don’t pat yourself too hard on the back.

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I guess the idea of New York taking care of New York is not popular with Kyle, as he keeps bringing this up.

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To you “tolerant” libs,

Kyle, in my opinion, is trying to warn you that other “civilized” places started out with the good intentions of being tolerant of Islam, but once established, those same Islamic individuals show blatant intolerance of others. So don’t be surprised once Islam is the majority, that tolerance of you will be a thing of the past. From what I hear (i.e. i’m no expert) Islam is not tolerant of non-Muslims.
I’m speaking of various sources stating that the Koran speaks negatively about infidels.
Does the Koran speak of being against the infidels and to what extent? If a good Muslim follows the Koran explicitly, and If the Koran speaks to be intolerant of infidels, then when the U.S. is dominanted by good Muslims, what is life going to be like for non-Muslims. History shows it is not to good. Now some will argue it can’t happen here. I think you are relying on those same Muslims to view the Constitution as a larger authority than the Koran. Good luck with that. So what is a good solution, i have no earthly idea. To those who speak that Christianity and Islam both speak to hating and killing in its name. What i’ve seen in the Bible (especially New Testament) does not speak of hating and mistreating others. A person acting true to the Bible is going to “love their neighbor as yourself”. I can’t claim i’ve seen every verse, so see if you can find some in the New Testament that speaks of hating others. Good luck.

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Kyle,
Let’s see if I follow your, and the logic of some of your followers, people claiming to be Muslims have committed atrocities, especially on 9/ll, therefore Muslims wishing to practice their culture and religion here in American should not be permitted to do so, despite what our Constitution says. So, according to your logic, people claiming to be Christians have committed atrocities, especially during the Holocaust and the Inquisition, therefore Christians wishing to practice their religion should not be permitted to do so.
What’s next for the Right Wing, amend the Constitution’s first amendment to exclude certain religions, or races?

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To (try to) quote Jon Stewart:

“You *could* build a playground right next to a Catholic church…but should you?”

Enjoy!
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-august-16-2010-emma-thompson

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@ Bob,

And any others confused on this; do not be misled…

And just so everyone understands…

Muslims worship Allah, which is NOT the same Yahweh Elohim of the Holy Bible; the Triune GOD that most Christians do (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

The Koran states that Allah has no sons and is a single one (look it up S. 112, 1-4) therefore (this is just 1 of many examples as to why) they cannot be the same being.

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It’s not a mosque!

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Actually Kyle has this 180% wrong. The problem the Euro countries have is that they have laws limiting the economic and social activity of minorities and has a result the minorities have not been absorbed into the national community. The minorities remain a “foreign” minority due to laws from the national government.

This is the big domestic issue debate in Euro-world, should those restraints on minorities be lifted? And their debate is just as hot as our immigration debate.

At present the smart money is on the minorities continuing to be legally classed as “foreign”.

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More bad news for the Obama cult following troglodytes.

Weekly Jobless Claims Post Surprise Jump, Hit 500,000

New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly climbed to a nine-month high last week, yet another setback to the frail economic recovery.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38768328

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I said this in 2008 and left wing retards said it would never happen.

Worse Than Carter

WASHINGTON — It is becoming apparent for all to see, that a man who made his name as a community organizer does not have the skills to be President of these United States. Maybe he could develop the requisite skills as a governor. Possibly, he could develop such skills were he to sit in the Senate for a couple of terms. Yet there are delicate sensitivities, the ability to listen, to stick by your guns, occasionally to remain reticent. These are the fundamentals of a leader, and President Barack Obama has demonstrated that he lacks all of them, most notably reticence. I now think it is clear even to Official Washington that President Obama is the worst president of modern times. President Jimmy Carter is redeemed.

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/08/19/worse-than-carter

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“It has basketball courts and a culinary school. ”

LOL! Yeah, muslims just love them some basketball. I bet it will also feature bomb making, IED 101 and AK-47 for dummies.

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“Excellent point. I propose we ask all these idiots to also table a resolution and call for a certain “acceptable” distance be established between Catholic churches or Catholic Community Centers and elementary schools, day-care centers, etc. ”

Huh, I didn’t know nuns hurt kids.

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Grand Forks August 19th, 2010 9:38 am SAID: Gator Joe

I guess you’d have no problem with the KKK building a center next door to the MLK center, right?

You left wingers are so d@mn stupid. You don’t even realize that muslims are called to kill ANYONE who doesn’t convert. There are no moderate muslims as Rachel Madcow, a lesbian who muslims would gladly kill, says.

CHRIS SAYS: The above just shows how ignorant you really are. WOW. Home Schooled? Seeing Muslims and Islam as one monolithic religion is the sure sign of complete ignorance. Maybe you should read this :

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/opinion/17dalrymple.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

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“The above just shows how ignorant you really are.”

Nothing like left wing retard tactics. Instead of saying HOW I am wrong you go and play the ignorant card.

“Home Schooled?”

Nope, private school, b!tch.

“Seeing Muslims and Islam as one monolithic religion is the sure sign of complete ignorance.”

LOL

And no ma’am, I don’t read articles from failing newspapers that trash our troops.

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Hey Salzman,

You mean like this peaceful muslim?

Sharia in New Jersey: Muslim husband rapes wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex

Muhammad said: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning” (Bukhari 4.54.460).

He also said: “By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle” (Ibn Majah 1854).

And now a New Jersey judge sees no evidence that a Muslim committed sexual assault of his wife — not because he didn’t do it, but because he was acting on his Islamic beliefs: “This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited.”

Luckily, the appellate court overturned this decision, and a Sharia ruling by an American court has not been allowed to stand. This time.

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“In order to attend to this apparent security threat, how much of Manhattan needs to be ethnically cleansed of Muslims, by your reckoning?”

Your words ma’am, not mine.

“And where do you propose to forcibly relocate the Muslims currently residing there?”

The majority of muslims live in Brooklyn, ma’am. The WTC mosque is nowhere near where any muslims live.

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“Kyle, the fact that obviously racist (or at least xenophobic) people are most loudly defending you should give you pause about your position.’

LOL! I love it when left wing retards say that a religion is a race. Moron.

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Grand Forks August 19th, 2010 9:53 am SAID: The majority of muslims live in Brooklyn, ma’am. The WTC mosque is nowhere near where any muslims live.

CHRIS SAYS: So, go amend the constitution that says that everyone can only worship within a certain distance from where they live.

You are a sorry example of a human being and a bigot to boot. Nice going. Planning to join the KKK anytime soon. With all the hate and bigotry you carry around, you would make a great recruit.

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infadel,how dare you speak of this subject! let the stoning begin!

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Fro Salzman:

History Of The Democrats And The KKK…..(Why the Democrats started the KKK)

The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.

The documentation has been assembled by David Barton of Wallbu More..ilders and published in his book “Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White,” which reveals that not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.

“Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective,” Barton said in his book. “Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings.”

Further, the first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves and, to this day, the party website ignores those decades of racism, he said.

“Although it is relatively unreported today, historical documents are unequivocal that the Klan was established by Democrats and that the Klan played a prominent role in the Democratic Party,” Barton writes in his book. “In fact, a 13-volume set of congressional investigations from 1872 conclusively and irrefutably documents that fact.

“The Klan terrorized black Americans through murders and public floggings; relief was granted only if individuals promised not to vote for Republican tickets, and violation of this oath was punishable by death,” he said. “Since the Klan targeted Republicans in general, it did not limit its violence simply to black Republicans; white Republicans were also included.”

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Are you actually trying to mount a defense for intolerance here? This column, and the hatred and demogogary that pushed this matter as an issue to be kicked around on the national political scene is simply inexcusable. There is no defense to what the right wing is doing. None. This is not Europe. This is not the old world. This is America.

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“Would it not be safer to take the pre-emptive step of loading cargo trains full of such individuals to other, less well populated regions?’

The last president to put people in concentration camps was a democrat. Nuff said, ma’am.

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“What about the places where Muslims live in peace? ”

You mean like Iran, Pakistan and Syria? LOL

“In my opinion, this is just a really sad, fear based point of view.”

Guess you missed 911.

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Kristen, how much more one sided can you be? How about ask the remaining 3,000 people who were not Muslim what they think…. Or is that to much to ask?

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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

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Yeah, those Europeans man, they just don’t get it…then again since every single one of them enjoys a better, top to bottom, standard of living than we do, and since they are in a better position to recall the last time one of their ‘members’ decided that ‘in’ tolerance was a better way to go – you remember, that bunch in Germany, they didn’t tolerate anybody that wasn’t of ‘one of them’ , and look how well that turned out for ‘em…my guess is that they’ll stick to ‘tolerance’ and working to solve their problems rather than violence and hate.

You can say what you want about Liberalism…but if being 180 degrees opposite of a Rush Limbaugh, or a Newt Gingrish (I don’t give a s**t if that’s spelled right or not), or a Bill O’Reilly, or virtually every Republican political leader in existence, means I’m a Liberal, then you’re damn right I am. Plus, I don’t think the majority of this country wants to be seen as a bunch of intolerant boobs that only seem to know hate and prejudice.

Tell me, as a member of the radical base of the Republican Party, how does one get to the point that they’re so willing to carry out the ‘dirty tricks’ strategies of a bunch of greedy billionaires that they’ll even vote against their own self interests?

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Kyle,

“In Europe, such marginalization has pushed normally moderate people toward extremist parties.”

So, why would we want to try and do that here? Gingrich and Palin are not doing any one any favors by continuing to stir up fear and prejudice which accomplishes just what you’ve written against.

“Zoning restrictions and NIMBY concerns (e.g., about parking or noise) often come into play”

Well yes, of course, but that is not the case here at all. There is already an operating mosque near the site (if I’m not mistaken) and the developers are in compliance.

Again, as many have mentioned, to use the situation in some European countries as a reason for promoting religious intolerance here is flawed logic.

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Funny how the tolerant, peace loving Muslim developer has been offered a larger piece of land, and they won’t even meet with the governor to talk about it. How much more tolerant and peace loving can you get…right lefties? Here is is in the left wing rag…

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Mosque-Developer-Says-No-Meeting-Scheduled-With-Gov-100967889.html

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Kyle wrote ” And with few exceptions, the supporters of the mosque project — I’m not talking about the developers themselves, but politicians and pundits and citizens — have sought to marginalize and delegitimize mosque opponents as bigots or opponents of the Constitution.”

Kyle could just as easily written ” And with few exceptions, the opponents of the mosque project — the politicians and pundits and citizens — have sought to marginalize and delegitimize mosque supporters as terrorists and something other than American citizens.”

Kyle, if not bigots, what DO you call people who imply that a group of Amercan citizens are terrorists based solely on their religious beliefs? Are we not allowed to defend our fellow Americans when we see them unfairly attacked?

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“Gingrich and Palin are not doing any one any favors by continuing to stir up fear and prejudice which accomplishes just what you’ve written against.’

Gotta love it when the left wing retards have to bring up Palin as if she had anything to do with muslims killing 3000 people on 911.

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“However, it seems there are now protests at random mosques around the country and that’s simply wrong, disgusting, and bigoted.”

But muslims killing christians, blowing up churches etc in other countries is ok with you?

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Jimmy 62,

But isn’t there already a mosque close to where they are building? This is nothing but political posturing from the right using their typical scare tactics in an election year.

“Why are we showering hatred on random Muslims in Tennessee who haven’t done anything and have nothing to do with 9/11 or ground zero?”

Million dollar question, huh? I dunno, when you release the Gingrich/Palins on the world it’s hard to get their bs back in the bottle.

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If Miss Forks has no vision for Muslims, why does she care where they build their community center?

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Butthead@10:10, I know what the majority of the 3,000 think–they are opposed. I know of one family member (Muslim) who is also opposed, yet the left is not playing the islamophobe card against her. She wrote a piece in the Washington Post. Her name is Neda Bolourchi.

What I find strange is that the lamestream media hasn’t gone to as much trouble to seek out their opinions as they have other’s. It’s almost as though they don’t want to know since it might defeat their argument in favor of racism.

I’m sorry I mentioned it. Have a nice day.

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Kristen August 19th, 2010
11:03 am

Having read the article you referenced, there two parts are the more effective points she makes:

1) “That is why the prospect of a mosque near Ground Zero — or a church or a synagogue or ANY religious or nationalistic monument or symbol — troubles me.”

2) “Islam was part of our heritage, our culture, our entire lives. Though I have nothing but contempt for the fanaticism that propelled the terrorists to carry out their murderous attacks on Sept. 11, I still have great respect for the faith.”

She still has respect for her faith….even though many Americans do NOT…and she’s against ANY religious monument near Ground Zero; in that aspect, her points are non-discriminatory…and cogent!!

The problem is that the preponderance of American opinion is based in discrimination; that’s what needs to be called out!!

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The particular concern in this case may not end up prevailing. But for some of you to suggest that they shouldn’t be raised in the first place, or that the fact that they’ve been raised proves some people are pure bigots, is ludicrous.

Mr. Wingfield, it is kind of hard to square this objection with what you’ve written in the post, to wit:

in America, with a prouder history of assimilation and inclusiveness than Europe has, it would be prudent to meet this outrage with something other than finger-wagging.

I find it difficult to read that sentence without concluding that you believe this community center’s construction constitutes an “outrage,” of a piece with the assassinations and “no go zones” you cite in the paragraph directly above.

If you are, then it is hard to conclude that you are doing out out of not mere NIMBYism but, yes, bigotry. And it saddens me to say that, because I truly do think much better of you, based on what I’ve seen of your contributions to the AJC.

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Can I get a state’s rights fan ??

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HDB, time for a history lesson, the Roman’s took the tolerance of the early Christians as a weakness and fed them to wild animals for entertainment. Don’t mistake intolerance and immorality.
HDB what do peace loving Muslim’s do when they win a battle, they build a Mosque on the site. If you want to be food that is up to you, I for one will never mistake intolerance for immorality.
One more thing go look up Dhimmitude, loser…

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Zoning restrictions and NIMBY concerns (e.g., about parking or noise) often come into play.

Kyle:

As I’ve mentioned, if not here, elsewhere…I’m guilty of NIMBYISM when it came to a church in my neighborhood, and I attend church regularly. Normally such an admission would garner rousing applause from leftists who oppose ANY religion. The left-wingers chose to ignore it.

Sometimes it IS about parking, noise, traffic congestion and the like.

I can’t see the aforementioned church from my location but the adjacent neighbors (black) could, and needed my experience in zoning to address the situation. Since I cared about my neighbors, I went to bat for them.

I’ll also add the the church in my neighborhood has yet to comply with the stipulations set out when they received approval. Not only have they not complied, they’re in clear violation of restrictions placed upon them.

Probably just a matter of time before the neighbors call asking for my help again. There’s not much I wouldn’t do on behalf of my neighbors. It’s a matter of give and take…right now the congregation has taken far too many liberties with what they were given. Never be fooled into thinking that all places of worship make for good neighbors.

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pat, are you sure that your experience was not just a “birds of a feather” kind?

Mine was the polar opposite. Both as a serviceman and civilian.

I guess you find what you are looking for…

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AmVet:

Mine was the polar opposite. Both as a serviceman and civilian.

If you behaved there like you behave here, it’s understandable why you and they would get along so well.

My daughter said the same thing about Europe. Only place she found the people likeable was Scotland.

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I just wonder what would happen if a christian wanted to build a church in Saudia Arabia or Iran. I wonder if it would be acceptable to build a christian church anywhere in those countries, let alone next to a site like ground zero. It’s hard to tolerate when there is an obvious hypocrisy. Yeah America is free so anybody can come here and do what they want, but not vice a versa. We are the worlds playground and our politicians do nothing but pander to whichever group will vote for them. Nothing but votes matter to them, not what is right.

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“If Miss Forks has no vision for Muslims, why does she care where they build their community center?”

Because muslims building a hateful mosque near a place where their religion killed 3000 people bothers me and most of America, ma’am.

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“The problem is that the preponderance of American opinion is based in discrimination; that’s what needs to be called out!!”

HDB is our resident Sharpton.

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“I just wonder what would happen if a christian wanted to build a church in Saudia Arabia or Iran.’

First, Obama Hussein would be condemning the church, next he would call for Saudia Arabia to kill the Christians. Left wing retards like Bookman and Tucker would also condemn the Christians.

What left wingers don’t seem to understand, because most of them get degrees in retarded fields like poetry, is that muslims hate gays, women etc…

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Are we now talking about Africa?

No. We are talking about this place where the term “ethnic cleansing” was first used. You are, apparently, an expert in foreign policy so I won’t have to tell you where that was, nor will I need to remind you of the religious beliefs of those who were “cleansed.”

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I remember a time in Italy. I was on a train and there was a group of Americans from New Jersey aboard. This one woman was especially loud, obnoxious and rude. I just laughed and thought, her kids probably can’t stand her either!

No worries, it’s not like you cons invented the Ugly American. You’ve just perfected it!

And I’m not surprised that most of you have never been there. It would be as lost on you as a visit to the Creation Museum in Kentucky would be on me!

For the revisionists…

google.com/search?q=history+of+the+kkk&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=TY9&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=v&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=9GhtTLmzLYXGlQeUr5CpDg&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=12&ved=0CEMQ5wIwCw

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Between Osama and Bush, who harmed America more?
No contest – the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/ Wolfowitz cowards did.

Bush killed more soldiers than Osama killed New Yorkers.

The last of our combat troops left Iraq last night seven years after the phony pilot pretended to land a jet on a carrier and proclaimed mission accomplished.

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sfd,

Well, the goob obviously doesn’t understand how emiment domain works apparently.

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Hey did someone call for a draft dodger?

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There’s a CREATONIST MUSEUM in Kentucky? I do believe there must be a museum for every “word” in the world. And AmVet knows all of them if they reflect badly on someone. Who cares about the Creationist or the Atheist or the SpacedOUt Museum? Maybe an AMVET FUNNY HOUSE?

Ugly Americans, my foot!! While people are knocking down doors, crossing deserts, sneaking on boats and planes to get here with us and you want to talk about “ugly Americans”?

Sorry, AmVet but your almost constant negatism reaches rant quality. And ol’ hooter Boschie is right behind you. Why don’t you kids get a hobby?

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More Democrats like this, please.

“I don’t know how many of you have been to New York, but if a building is two blocks away from anything, you can’t see it. It’s a community center. They’re going to have a gym. They’re going to have point guards. Muslim point guards,” Franken said, to laughter and applause.

“They (Republicans) do this every two years. They try to find a wedge issue, and they try to work it.”

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Fear and greed controls the right.

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Community center my rear end. If it was a CC, then anyone in the community would be welcome to come in a fellowship and plays some hoops. How welcome will women in miniskirts and halter tops be to come in?

You Libs are like the wimpish kids in school, that were afraid to fight back against the bully, so you got behind him and mouthed support, as he bashed the poor kid with some self respect, who stood up to him. You always hoped that your support and capitulation would insure your safety.

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OOOOh just read PROBLEM SOLVED last posts. One of the last die hard anti-war Bush-did-it & hate Cheney protestors. Still stirring the old hate machine and churning out the mindless muck. Can’t you dinosauers of precivilization ever learn anything?? You are so outdated and blind to what is happening now that you are beyond antique. The world moves on, in case you haven’t noticed.

Deal with the current problems. Get alive. This country does not need bitter old duffers sqawking about the past. We need to work on the PRESENT. YOu do know what PRESENT means, don’t you?

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Boschie,

Your work is cut out for you. THE BOSCH BLOGGING MUSEUM. See all the stuffed old timers who will repeat “Bush did it!” if you push the right buttons. Buy a Cheney mask for your youngster. See Carter’s wild rabbit. And above all, admire the mounted three inch trout caught by Bookman on his escape from THE BLOG. Also the framed receipts from Hooters run up by Bosch patrons.

I knew you could do it. Send me a free ticket.

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Dusty,

Well, as long as you and i have been bloggin together, I will have a special “Dusty” exhibit (right next to the lady in the orange shorts special viewing area).

And you would have lifetime free admission.

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Dusty,

I think it’s a peanut. ????

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Ah Boschie,

You bribe me with lifetime admission. But but but…if you are going to put my exhibit next to the lady in orange shorts, I might as well be in a closet. There would be nothing but a push of goggle eyed males rushing past my georgous attributes to see the OSL(orange shorts lady)..

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Dusty,

Aww….I doubt that. I’ll make sure to incorporate the wonderful ATL Braves in your exhibit too!

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So why did the mosque’s developer turn down Gov. Paterson’s invitation? Then the jihadists in the ME could have claimed a mosque had taken over government property in the U.S.. That would’ve been a real coup.

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Dusty:

My daughter found the people in London to be rushed, rude, and impersonal. Said she received some disparaging remarks about Americans. Could have been because she wasn’t a big spender. On a tight budget.

My former minister (The Brit) has a son, who holds the same opinion about America and Americans. He seems to think we’re all barbarians….what, with wanting to own guns and all. His daughter, on the other hand, is adorable. LOVES America…comes for a month-long visit every two years. Just left, as a matter of fact. The girls and I always treat her out to a night on the town. She lives in Hong Kong…prefers it to the U.K..

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What’s a goob? In urban slang it’s:

1) a silly, r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s person; a peanut-head

2) A flem of sorts projecting from the body

3) someone who acts immature, stupid, or idiotic usually making a fool out of themself.

hmmmmmm…

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Remember the Marine Barracks in Lebanon. Wonder if we could build a church near there? Or maybe just a memorial to our brave Marines.

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Rafe Hollister

August 19th, 2010
2:19 pm
Liberals who are not Democrats: Ralph Nadar, Susan Collins, Olympia Snow, Lindsay Graham (for Cap and Tax, Amnesty, etc), formerly Arlen Spector, Lincoln Chaffey, George Voiniovich (sp), and others.

Rafe, and what office do Ralph Nader, and Lincoln Chaffee hold? Voinovich has voted on the republican side 70.9%, Graham 92.6%, Snowe 67.3%, Collins 67%! And I do believe Arlen Spector is listed as a democrat, and votes with the democrats.

Anymore examples you wanna throw out there RAFE?

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HDB:

Methinks that when one is backed into a corner…compromise is the LAST thing you think of! You come out fighting!!

That’s a shame, because compromise is EXACTLY what’s needed here. This mosque thing is not high on my list of priorities, but then I don’t live in NY. I suffered no loss of family or friend there. I experienced the loss from a distance.

The people of New York, Connecticut, New Jersey have offered compromise. It’s now time for the developer to reciprocate.

I was listening to a broadcast today. Some professor of theology from Wesleyan College, a Muslim cleric (?), along with a Muslim woman (in opposition), who lost her mother in the Twin Towers. The Muslim cleric (?) said that to give in now would, in essence, be admitting to a link between Islam and radical islam.

My opinion? No it wouldn’t…it would be placing themselves above radical islam. Radical islam is doing this to Muslims, not Americans. The guy from Wesleyan College claimed that when Americans say “They attacked us” Americans are excluding Muslims from the “us”. I found that rather presumptuous.

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3:37 pm

It owuld have been nice if compromise were possible…but I don’t see that it is now! Think about this: the volume of vitriol that has come forth from people won’t allow compromise. There is no way that the Muslims will be able to save face!! American Muslims now feel disenfranchised from the American spirit…through no design of their own. Many are lumping American Muslims in with the radicals…..even though there were people of ALL faiths that were lost in the Towers.

FEAR is driving this…on both sides….and as a nation, we have to get past the fear….

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“Think about it: the Muslims have been cornered, disparaged, belittled by a virtual preponderance of American opinion! They won’t back down! Can’t say that I blame them…..”

HDB,

That’s very odd. As disparaged and harassed and beaten down and cornered as Muslims are in this country they just keep on a coming. Odd isn’t it? They also apparently have no fear of us as they speak their mind on American campuses and its all anti-American crap. So much for Muslims being in any real fear of everyday, ordinary Americans.

Farrakhan and his band of Muslims? Think they are scared of anyone? Or are they the ones that actually do the intimidating and use blatant racist and hate speech in open public?

HDB always pulls out his Democratic strategy of debating which goes like this
1. Blame Bush
2. Scream Racism
3. Bash Palin

HDB is best at strategy #2 and employed it in this nonsense about Muslims being cornered. Too bad people don’t buy that crap anymore.

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HDB:

That is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. It’s never too late for compromise. New Yorkers have done their part…live with the memory of their sacrifices everyday. It’s time for the developer to sacrifice.

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Does HDB want to talk about all the churches in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and many other parts of the Arab world? Oh, that’s right! The churches in those countries don’t exist because they are illegal. How stupid of me!

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AmVet:

Did you intend to drop off a link?

You failed.

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Jeez, hopeless Luddites…

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AmVet,

It is common knowledge that Mohammed had child brides and if memory serves me correctly he had relations with young boys which in case you didn’t know is commonplace in Arabic and Muslim culture. Its in their culture-their poetry, literary works, song, and is part of everyday culture, etc.

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“Hey did someone call for a draft dodger?”

Is that you, Bill Clinton?

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“Mohammed was a pedophile?

Dang! He’d have made a good modern day Republican!”

Or maybe a democrat ex-president who molested interns.

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Nevermind. I forgot how intolerant the Muslims are of us building churches in their countries. How foolish of me!

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HDB
Actually, there is a Southern Baptist congregation in Tripoli, Lebanon!

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Grand Forks,

Or he could have been a gay democratic congressman like Barney Frank having young gay pages running around and havingyoung male prostitutes running a gay prostitution ring out of his townhome.

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The truth August 19th, 2010
3:51 pm

First: the preponderance of Muslims in America are NOT living under sharia…

Second: With the volume of disapproval, wouldn’t you feel disenfranchised?? Every sect has its fringe elements….and I’m not dealing with those!! The Muslims that I have interfaced with denounced what happened at 9/11….and I’ve been welcomed into their mosques as a Christian….and I had no discomfort!!

Third: The woman who was against the mosque being built is against ANY religious shrine being built there! She’s consistent!!

Fourth: Singapore has one of the largest Muslim populations….but it also embraces Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judiasm…..

Fifth: If you are not afraid of the mosque being built…..why not let it be built??

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3:50 pm

I think this exerpt from the Washington Post says it best for me:

“The real desecration of the 9/11 site would be to convert it into a monument to intolerance. We Catholics know; we have suffered for our religion, but given the chance we have proven our patriotism. America’s solemn pledge of “liberty and justice for all” belongs on Main Street and not in back alleys.” Anthony M. Stevens-Arroyo

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Grand Forks,

HDB also claims that under Clinton the black counties and neighborhoods like Clayton country were at full employment but under Bush unemployment is like 30% now in those same neighborhoods. 19 months into Obama’s presidency its still George Bush’s fault.

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The truth

HDB is not a smart woman. In fact, she claims that only republicans are racists yet democrats who served in the KKK were saints.

Logic is not HDB strong suit.

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“I think this exerpt from the Washington Post says it best for me: ‘

So a failing newspaper speaks for you?

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“FALSE…nice try again!”

Quite a few people say differently.

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AmVet:

Jeez, hopeless Luddites…

You’re the one who thought the link important enough to drop off.

I seriously doubt that it’s important enough that I should go to the trouble.

You want me to see it, fix it.

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HDB:

We Catholics know; we have suffered for our religion

Old wounds vs fresh wounds.

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This building WILL include a mosque. They have been having prayers there since last year.
It IS so close to Ground Zero that it was “heavily damaged by debris” from the bombing of the towers.
The issue is not the Constitution. No one is trying to change it.
The first issue is whether the mosque SHOULD be built there. That is up to the people of NYC. Even tho it’s already been approved by the Community Board 1’s financial district committee, it can still be legally stopped.
The next question is if it CAN be built. I don’t think that they will be able to have the necessary materials delivered or be able to find construction workers from NY, Conn. or NJ.
The most important question is why is Obama’s State Dept. “SPONSORING a good-will mission trip to the Middle East” for the mosque imam Abdul Rauf which includes stops in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain & Qatar to “improve understanding about Muslim communities in the US?” What a coincidence!
A London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Mr. Rauf reported that he would collect money from Muslim & Arab nations around the world raising the possibility that the Obama adm. is helping him build contacts in oil-rich countries to build the mosque.
Good to know exactly where he stands.

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“Quite false….had to take logic to graduate from college!! Required for my job…so I’m quite strong in logic…AND fact!!”

Thanks for reiterating my point, ma’am.

“Did you note what I said: the PREPONDERANCE of Muslims in America are NOT living under sharia…”

Are you “most muslims?” NOPE

“Reboot your computer…..”

You’re not a smart woman, HDB.

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“If you keep picking at a scab, the wound is always fresh, isn’t it??”

Ah, you mean like what you do on a daily basis.

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“What some say…and what the truth is…is a different commodity!’

But you don’t speak truth, only opinion. Hence that’s why you never back anything up.

“If I constantly worried about the negatives people have stated about me, I wouldn’t have achieved the positives!!”

Which must not be much since you said you only had a job under Democrat presidents.

“As we say in the islands: NO WORRIES, MON!!’

But you’re not on an island. Well, I take that back, you’re on fantasy island.

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My posts are misappearing.

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Grand Forks August 19th, 2010
4:24 pm

I was LOGICAL BEFORE I went to school; the course sharpened my skillset!!

Logic question for you GF: If God had meant for grass to be CUT, why did he tell it to grow??

(Got a “A” for this one…..and I didn’t need to go to class for the answer!)

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Disinfranchised is the most overused word in the Dem dictionary.

The American people were disinfranchised by Obamacare. They were disinfranchised by the suit against Arizona. They were disinfranchised by the Stimulus/Porkulus do nothing constructive bill.

The Dems would like to disinfranchise the people by forcing them to accept Amnesty, Card Check, and Cap and Tax. I am tired of being disinfranchised, how about you HDB?

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The Imam of the Cordoba Center is Sufi…someone posted a link to Sufism earlier here. When people want to know where the “moderate” Muslims are, there is the place to look.

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AmVet @ 4:28

Guess you’re looking for new members for your next NAMBLA meeting.

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“I was LOGICAL BEFORE I went to school; the course sharpened my skillset!!”

Uh huh, you might want to sharpen up on your grammar, ma’am.

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Geez, AmVet…that’s the same old garbage you’ve been linking to for years. You used to bring it forth as HUGE.

You hang onto it because……………..?

You like reading about it?

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“Geez, AmVet…that’s the same old garbage you’ve been linking to for years. You used to bring it forth as HUGE.”

Yeah, ScamVet isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

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“You like reading about it?”

NAMBLA, @@. He’s recruiting new members.

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“I wouldn’t want to solve a problem like this with all the noise being generated now!!”

Not to worry, HDB, you’re not.

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HDB:

Let’s soften the volume…..and work towards healing and resolution! I wouldn’t want to solve a problem like this with all the noise being generated now!!

Based on your posts…the ones I’ve read here…you haven’t healed yet. How long is this gonna take?

I don’t think the mosque is going up anytime soon. Now is the time to solve the problem…not after. Something or someone has gotta give. New Yorkers have given.

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“How long is this gonna take?”

When reparations are handed out.

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Fom the Washington Examiner (Gene Healy): The description of the “mosque”:

From all the caterwauling, you’d think the Park51 group planned to fashion a mock Kaaba out of trade center ashes and mount it atop the wreckage. But you can’t see Ground Zero from the Park51 site — it’s separated by two canyonlike city blocks, occupying the former site of a Burlington Coat Factory. “Hallowed ground,” indeed.

The plans include building a large mosque — and a 500-seat theater, swimming pool and food court — which makes calling it a “mosque” just slightly more accurate than calling a YMCA a “church.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/_Mosque_-debate-is-a-red-herring-500293-100810999.html#ixzz0×5PwfzEB

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It is not a community center, unless the community is free to use it with no unreasonable restrictions. Women should be allowed to work out without having to wear a burqua, like those soccer players we saw trying to kick a ball while enclosed in a trash bag.

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“Fom the Washington Examiner”

That’s all I needed to read to laugh at it.

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More tough economic times forecast by CBO

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The economy faces even more difficult times ahead with chronic unemployment and slow manufacturing hurting the recovery, the head of Congress’ budget agency said on Thursday.

The warning from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office came on top of more bad economic data that heightened concerns about a return to recession and sent markets roiling. It could also spell trouble for Democrats facing November elections.

The CBO forecast the U.S. budget deficit will hit $1.342 trillion this year, down slightly from its March projection of $1.368 trillion.

It attributed most of the $27 billion change in its fiscal 2010 deficit projection to an estimated $50 billion reduction in the cost of TARP, the U.S. government’s bailout of financial institutions in 2009.

But the figures show that without significant changes in U.S. tax and spending laws, the government will struggle to dig its way out of a deep fiscal deficit hole.

Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf painted a picture of a tough recovery from recession, although the CBO predicted a 3 percent economic growth rate this year.

“The considerable number of vacant houses and underused factories and offices will be a continuing drag on residential construction and business investment, and slow income growth as well as lost wealth will restrain consumer spending,” he said.

The unemployment rate will not fall to around 5 percent until 2014, Elmendorf said. The last time the jobless rate was 5 percent was April 2008, just as the economy was heading into recession and unemployment was on the rise.

BAD FOR DEMOCRATS

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The “truth” was bemoaning that some mythical figure from the 700s was one.

I believe it is MUCH more relevant that there are so many dozens of them in American political office today.

If you choose to give them a free pass or sweep it under the carpet, that is your choice.

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AmVet:

If you choose to give them a free pass or sweep it under the carpet

I didn’t even read past the first paragraph. Were they politicians? Are they still in office?

Some from the other side remained in office.

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“Based on your posts…the ones I’ve read here…you haven’t healed yet. How long is this gonna take?” In some areas, I haven’t….in some, I have!! Not afraid to admit that!! I do understand that in some cases, healing takes vigilence…and time!! Whenever a wound reopens, one has to NOT lash out, but work harder to heal!! Calling things out is part of the healing process!! Anger and fear can not be allowed to rule…and that’s what’s happening now!!

Eventually, I see the mosque going up….it may be delayed, but it will get there!! You’re fighting a determined bunch of people! Unless they’re bought out…….

Grand Forks August 19th, 2010
4:38 pm

I never tire of you….you make me laugh!!

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“I never tire of you….you make me laugh!!”

That’s a racist statement.

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HDB: My disinfranchisement is worse than your disinfranchisement. That is the game Dems always play. Reps are priviledged so they can stand some disinfranchisement, we poor Dems have sufferred much and disinfranchisement hurts our feelings.

Thanks for the discription of the mosque. A swimming pool? Will bikinis be allowed. One piece or do the girls have to wear one of those suits designed for over 60 women with the little skirt around their waist. Knowing the muslims they will require females to swim in a different smaller pool than the gents, since they are second class citizens. Even though they are segregated they will still require them to swim in their clothes. I thought America was about equality, what say you HDB?

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4:44 pm

“Now that I think about it, the economy has disenfranchised me from the work I love…”

Similar circumstance here……

….and the economy is based on the atmosphere that is politically set!!

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You tell it like it is, Kyle! Or as Sarah says, “Reload!” I think we really should ban all muslim mosques in Lower Manhattan…nothing below 42nd street would be fair, don’t you think?

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I changed my mind, I bet their is just one pool, for males only.

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HDB:

….and the economy is based on the atmosphere that is politically set!!

I know! We sho ’nuff need some jobs. Obama ain’t doing too good in that respect.

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The shame of New York
Why there’s a space for the mosque

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_shame_of_new_york_TLa3pKBborwxO3tfoRpoNO#ixzz0×5WkGByu

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GF
Well, you should. You might learn something.

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josef:

The lady I mentioned earlier…the one whose Mom died in the towers said that, in her homeland, Jews and Christians weren’t invited to attend services in the mosques there. She said that from her perspective, mosques in the Middle East, clearly set out to separate themselves from the more secular in society.

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“Well, you should. You might learn something.”

Things like bomb making, beheading people, raping women…………..

Nah, you can have that stuff, Nix.

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josef: how should Grand Forks dress so he is not expelled. Can he wear flip flops and risk someone seeing the sole of his shoe. Can he take his wife wearing her little black minidress?

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August 19th, 2010
4:59 pm
HDB:

….and the economy is based on the atmosphere that is politically set!!

I know! We sho ’nuff need some jobs. Obama ain’t doing too good in that respect.

Well, I made it through to find a job in May, 2009……blessed in that aspect!! I know that others have yet to have some success…but patience and perserverance will win out!! The economy IS changing…albeit slowly!!

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sole of his feet, vice, sole of his shoe. I think either is suppossed to be discourteous or carry some disrespect. Shoes, I don’t get it, I know I’m a country rube, but in church you can come in barefoot, if that is the best footwear you own.

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“Well, I made it through to find a job in May, 2009……blessed in that aspect!!”

Oh yeah, I forgot that the black panther party had an opening.

“The economy IS changing…albeit slowly!!”

Yeah, it goes down further and further.

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Back in 1 hr, folks……

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Grand Forks

August 19th, 2010
5:07 pm
“I got it…just making sure you did!! When do you do back on stage??”

Better question, when will you stop blaming white people for your stupidity?

When the majority of them wake up and realize that they had some fault in things! Can’t always blame the victim when he has no control!! Besides….one man’s stupidity is another man’s genius!!

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HDB: don’t want to get into a tax argument as this is about the Mosque and Muslims, but almost 50% of our citizens pay no federal income tas. I don’t think the country can survive long if people learn that they can vote themselves more of the producers money.

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AmVet:

Looking at the first two in your link, they both killed themselves. One in prison and the other before being indicted.

To them, I would say…

thank you.

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Rafe has left the building, gotta go produce.

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md, so when someone flies the stars and bars should they be subjected to ridicule and score ? Maybe the power company should not provide them with electricity?

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md
Flying the Confederate flag? We do it every day on every governmental building here in Georgia!

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I am SO waiting for Bookman to return so I can read a local news blog and NOT have to see the non-stop ignorant rantings of Kyle’s resident moron. Unfortunately Cynthia’s place suffers from a number of similar, if less prolific, brain donors.

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saywhat

I’ll be glad when the Bruin gets back, too…but I do appreciate Kyle’s giving us a place in our Diaspora…I’ll take RW’s advice and visit him in the future so he can keep his count up in the respectable range!

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md, is that a definate maybe?

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Well, this horse is about beaten to death.

Same song, different chorus.

I guess the money shot question now is, will Dr. Laura do “color” commentary for the Beckerhead or HeadRush?

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“md, it is fully appropriate for the community center/mosque to be built exactly where planned.”

And there are many that will argue that displaying the confederate “battle” flag to honor fallen soldiers is totally appropriate as well – and many that will disagree…………..

And Jo – we all know which flag causes the stink.

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josef,

There’s at least one blindingly obvious reason Kyle doesn’t have to worry about keeping his comment count up.

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RW

Don’t I know it!

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Sonny,er George will let you vote on it !!!

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So how’s the tax cuts going? Will congress agree to keep the middle class taxes the same or will we pay a little more?

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“Will congress agree to keep the middle class taxes the same or will we pay a little more?”

They are probably busy trying to figure out how they are going to slide their next payraise through without the dummy public noticing it.

Probably as a rider to an unemployment extension………..

What a job huh – how many others get to vote for their own raise????

Reform, folks, reform……….

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Would you guys please quit trying to revive the flag flap before we end up having to go back to that Denny’s placemat we had for a couple years.

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RW

Wasn’t THAT one a pip?

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FACT. There is a mosque inside the pentagon. I repeat, there is a mosque inside the pentagon. This is a made up contraversy. The media loves to follow these hot button shiny objects and ignore the real issues. You probably can tell from my nom de plume that I live in NYC, actually I worked 3 blocks east of the WTC and visited daily during the warm months.I also know the proposed location of the cultural center (not mosque as pushed by the right & bought into by the braindead media) this in no way impinges on the site. BTW,every year the pious politicans gather survivors, throw flowers in a makeshift reflecting pool,read off the names of those who died to tug at the heart strings of the grieving and then do absolutely nothing. Now comes a group attempting to fill the void with a cultural center that will include a 9-11 memorial so what happens? The religious bigots come out in force and claim to have all the answers. Mr. Wingfield,you sit hundreds of miles away and pontificate about a place you might have visited but know very little about and then you fan the flames of hate. The stupidity of asking moderate muslims to pledge fealty to america is apalling,you should be ashamed.

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“BTW, what was your take on those 73 Republicans listed in that link? Any faves?”

Why, are you looking to try them out?

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“There’s at least one blindingly obvious reason Kyle doesn’t have to worry about keeping his comment count up.”

ROFLMAO. I certainly hope that is not why “the blindingly obvious reason” is tolerated. I would be embarrassed to have that blight on my blog.”

Another great example of that double standard stuff.

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md
I’m pretty much the same as you on that. What I do pay attention to, though, is the rhetoric surrounding whatever the issue and who is playing it to what end…

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Hillbilly
I took to boycotting the Olympics when the native marsupial was not chosen as the mascot…

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“What I do pay attention to, though, is the rhetoric surrounding whatever the issue and who is playing it to what end…”

I concur…..makes for great political theater. If these buffoons knew any better, they would stay out of it all together.

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I disenfranchised myself but somebody had to give. It was a single mom, a woman whose husband is on disability or me.

I chose me.

@@, I don’t agree with many of your political opinions. But you’ve earned a salute from this old guy. I wish everybody had your compassion.

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“she walks the walk instead of just talking the talk…”

And she runs too…………

(supposed to be a funny, but I also give her tons of credit in today’s obese society)

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Hillbilly, md

Back during the flag flap one of the antis was telling Unmnetionable to “put yourself in their shoes, how would YOU feel?” He answered, “well, put yourself in my moccasins and how do you think I feel on a bad mohawk day when my feathers are in a ruff when I see the Stars and Stripes?” And when given a sympathetic nod, he went on to say, “it’s the flag of MY country and I’m from a military family. I stand, salute and say the pledge, too. And I mean it. But at the same time I’m not blind to what happened to “my” people under its furls either.”

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I’M BACK!!!

@@ August 19th, 2010
5:12 pm

HDB:

According to a new poll 81% believe that Obama is doing poorly at handling the economic crisis.

You’re in the minority AGAIN!

Ah pooh!!!

Story of my life!!

Rafe Hollister August 19th, 2010
5:12 pm

“HDB: don’t want to get into a tax argument as this is about the Mosque and Muslims, but almost 50% of our citizens pay no federal income taxes. I don’t think the country can survive long if people learn that they can vote themselves more of the producers money.”

Just remember, that includes people on fixed incomes/pensions, Social Security, and disabilities. Factor that in….and those who are considered “moochers” would only be about 27% of that. Have no argument that more need to step up….but that also means that Corporate America has to begin hiring!!!

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Doing my part to get Kyle over 500…fresh bone to gnaw on upstairs, though…

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Republicans Block Bill to Aid Small BusinessBy DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans on Thursday rejected a bill to aid small businesses with expanded loan programs and tax breaks, in a procedural blockade that underscored how fiercely determined the party’s leaders are to deny Democrats any further legislative accomplishments ahead of November’s midterm elections.

The measure, championed by Senator Mary L. Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana, had the backing of some of the Republican Party’s most reliable business allies, including the United States Chamber of Commerce and the National Federation of Independent Business. Several Republican lawmakers also helped write it.

But Republican leaders filibustered after fighting for days with Democrats over the number of amendments they would be able to offer. A last-ditch offer by Democrats to allow three was refused by the Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Putting party ahead of country is pathetic.

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