How many millions Atlanta favoritism will cost us, answered
I asked the question earlier this month; yesterday, we got the answer:
A federal jury on Monday awarded $17.5 million in damages to an Atlanta businessman who claimed the City of Atlanta and Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport illegally steered a lucrative indoor advertising contract to a competitor with deep political connections.
The verdict, which came after nearly eight hours of deliberations, called for Billy Corey and his company, Corey Airport Services, to receive $8.5 million in compensatory damages, to be paid in thirds by the city, Clear Channel Outdoor Inc. and businesswoman Barbara Fouch.
The jury also awarded Corey $9 million in punitive damages. Clear Channel was ordered to pay $8.5 million and Fouch $500,000.
The verdict was an embarrassment for Hartsfield-Jackson and City Hall that recalled the political maneuvering and outright corruption that came to symbolize the operation of the airport during the 1980s and 1990s.
The city said it will appeal Monday’s verdict.
So, city taxpayers are out almost $3 million in damages, plus whatever legal fees the city has accumulated — and will continue to pile up in an appeal. For what? So that Barbara Fouch can enter a fourth decade of making millions from a sweetheart contract?
No thanks. End the shenanigans, and re-bid the contract.
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Norm
July 27th, 2010
6:57 am
Another example of elected and appointed officials looking the other way or lining their own pockets. What ever happened to truth, honesty, and selflessness in government. It just gets worse as you go higher. People, you need to pay attention when you go to the polls and keep re-electing the same folks that keep doing the same thing. Those expensive suits and dresses don’t come from their salaries. Research, learn, remember, and take appropriate action on election day. It’s your money their stealing.
Greg in the Highlands
July 27th, 2010
7:36 am
With the preliminary 2010 census results coming in, the city will have to consider the minority (white) contracts first according to it’s own edict. Turn about is fair play.
Churchill's MOM
July 27th, 2010
7:44 am
Kyle Wingfield
When you were a moderator in Dalton did you get after Nathan Deal about corruption or give him a pass?
Churchill's MOM
July 27th, 2010
7:51 am
This is an excellent example of what is wrong with our judicial system. Everyone knows the Atlanta City Government is full of corruption yet the only person to do time is a few years for Bill Campbell. Where is the DA?
Georgia owes Bill Corey thanks for spending 8 years of his life getting justice. Just remember in the Governors race, we have the choice between a CORRUPT WASHINGTON LAWYER/POLITICIAN and a HONEST WOMAN. Vote Handel in 2 weeks.
renaldo371@gmail.com
July 27th, 2010
8:18 am
This is why it was necessary to add Maynard Jackson’s name to the airport. Forget the airport, how ’bout city hall? Of course, I thought businesses (that would be Atlanta’s crony jobs program) PAY the owners of the venue (that would Atlanta taxpayers) for naming rights. And for those who would play the race card, this is not racism; it’s cronyism.
Horrible Horrace
July 27th, 2010
8:33 am
I hate that stinky airport…it so ghetto.
Richard
July 27th, 2010
8:37 am
fyi
fishtales
July 27th, 2010
9:02 am
Doesn’t matter to me as long as I can still get my $16 Whopper with cheese.
Rob Vinson
July 27th, 2010
9:07 am
I love it that Billy Corey had the $Doe Ray Me to take the city to task and he will wear them out on the appeal too. He’s already spent $3M of his own money to get this far and he’s prepared to go the distance. That airport has been the trough for all of the corrupt politicians who have made their way through the revolving door that city hall has become since 1970 or so. Maynard Jackson and his family all got filthy rich off of it. His daughters and wife still have businesses there. Mayor Shirley Girl Franklin’s ex husband, David, who is now deceased made his money there as did some of her children who didn’t marry murderers and go to jail, and Bill Campbell and his cronies have gotten fat off it. Finally, some justice is going to occur and that cess pool down there will be exposed for what it is. The gift that keeps on giving for the elected black officials, their families and cronies of this town.
Kyle Wingfield
July 27th, 2010
9:15 am
fishtales: Nicely done.
Drew
July 27th, 2010
9:19 am
Hartsfield-Jackson: the graft that keeps on taking.
Keep your eyes open
July 27th, 2010
9:21 am
Kasim Reed was put in place to replace Bill Campbell. He lies about who he is and whom he represents. The same people are still drawing their millions off the ignorant Atlantans.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
9:41 am
Welcome to Hartsfield Jackson Malcolm X Louis Farrakhan Monica Kaufman Big Boi Ludicris Kris Kros International Airport.
eugene allen
July 27th, 2010
9:48 am
Felker Ward and Jesse Hill should be next on the investigation list. Those 2 pompous pigs have been at the Airport trough since day one.
mrs. w.
July 27th, 2010
9:54 am
So glad I don’t live in Atl. They haven’t had an honest, decent mayor in decades.The voters, for the most part base their vote on the color of the candidate, not the qualifications or integrity of the candidate.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
9:54 am
Mine and Palin’s home states lead in job creation. Obama’s, not so much. In fact, homelessness has risen in both his “home” states. Three if you count Kenya.
N Dakota, Alaska lead US job creation, study says
NEW YORK, July 26 (Reuters) – North Dakota and Alaska have added the most jobs, while Nevada, California and Florida have lost the most, in the last five years, according to research released on Monday.
The study of U.S. employment trends found 40 states had fewer jobs in May 2010 than they did five years earlier, according to Portfolio.com, a business news site that published the research of private-sector employment conducted by American City Business Journals.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2622998620100726
Intown
July 27th, 2010
9:55 am
A conservative blogger critizing City of Atlanta government. How original.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
9:55 am
“not the qualifications or integrity of the candidate.”
Well, that’s all across the board and it’s exactly what led us to elect Obama.
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
10:13 am
Get over it folks, Atlanta ( Detroit of the South ) will always be a cess pool of corruption, I had a business there once until the Atlanta tax gang tried to screw me and the police dept asked me for a bribe. Most of the voters in Atlanta have a IQ equal to room temperture, pay no taxes and voted for Obama so what can you expect.
Glenn
July 27th, 2010
10:16 am
Kyle after this work on getting Southwest Airlines in Atlanta . Wouldn’t it be nice if could get some of this money back through cheaper fares .
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
10:23 am
Glenn
I’ve been wishing and wishing that Southwest would fly into the A T L. Airtran is cheaper but than Delta but I love me some Southwest.
Dirty Dawg
July 27th, 2010
10:32 am
Hey Georgia Dawg, just because I call myself ‘dirty’ doesn’t necessarily mean I am…the City of Atlanta’s problems are due, primarily, to orchestrated efforts on the part of the State and surrounding counties to put a strangle-hold on the City just because the majority of the voters happen to be black – a situation that’s in the process of changing, by the way. This in-town resident would gladly wager all you wish that my IQ is, indeed, ‘above’ room temperature, and I suspect a damn-sight higher than yours…and I voted for Obama primarily because I vowed – particularly after these past eight years – that I would never again vote for a Republican. You and your ‘ilk’ have been, and will continue to be, the ruination of this country.
By the way, I call myself ‘dirty’ because that’s the way I fight, not how I am.
By the way, let us know who asked for that bribe and we’ll throw ‘em in jail, and as for ’screwing’ you, if you mean they actually levied property taxes on your business, I suppose you no long have to pay those wherever you are now?
former Atlantan
July 27th, 2010
10:43 am
Good for this guy Corey. This is probably just the tip of the iceberg…
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
10:48 am
Hey Dirty Dawg ( you are dirty right?) The city corruption is all Bush’s fault anyway so what’s the problem blaming it on Republicans. As for the City jail, the city is going to sell it to a friend of Jackson & Franklin so they can pick up where they left off at the Airport on screwing you dim wits even more.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
10:48 am
Glenn & GF: The reason why Southwest won’t come into Atlanta is that their business formula is based on serving little-used airports with cheaper landing fees…and they fly point-to-point rather than the hub-and-spoke system that the major carriers use!! Southwest almost got here because they were one of the bidders for Frontier when they filed Chapter 11…..but Republic outbid them….It also would’ve been a corporate change for Frontier to convert to all Boeing since Frontier retired all of their Boeing aircraft and became an all-Airbus fleet!!
Plus…Delta would’ve taken the Southwest threat seriously and undercut them on any route that both carriers flew!! Note what happened when jetBlue came to Atlanta and challenged Delta on the ATL/LAX route….
Claude
July 27th, 2010
10:50 am
If Roy Barnes is really concerned about people laughing at Georgia, then he’ll need a plan to stop the municipal and county corruption committed by his fellow Democrats.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
10:57 am
“their business formula is based on serving little-used airports ”
Since when did LAX become a little used airport?
Kyle Wingfield
July 27th, 2010
11:01 am
Good point, Claude, but don’t hold your breath.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:04 am
Consumer Confidence Falls, Lowest Since February
U.S. consumer confidence fell in July to the lowest level since February, weighed mostly by worries about the job market, according to a private sector report released Tuesday.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38428786
HDB
July 27th, 2010
11:04 am
Grand Forks July 27th, 2010
10:57 am
When jetBlue came to ATL, rather than to land at LAX, they landed in Santa Barbara…which was better for passengers than LAX….and they advertised the ATL/LAX ROUTE…..Delta undercut them at both LAX and Orange County and drove jetBlue out…..
That’s why I said LAX…not the airport, but the route!!
HDB
July 27th, 2010
11:09 am
Kyle….Dirty Dawg does have a point; the state persistently works against Atlanta’s interests by siphoning funds from Atlanta to fund the rest of the state! Question: when will the STATE and the surrounding counties in the MetroArea release the stranglehold on the City of Atlanta and route the commensurate funds BACK to the city!! People fail to note that the airport is one of the major economic engines of the STATE!!
@ DirtyDawg — good point!! We’re in the same corner!!
neo-Carlinst
July 27th, 2010
11:17 am
Grand Forks, why don’t you do us all a favor and return to your home state? Maynard Jackson, Campbell et al are crooks. Ludicris, Big Boi and Kris Kros are recording artists and entreprenuers. The fact that you cannot distinguish between a “producer” and a “moocher” is disturbing.
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
11:19 am
oh, and Grand Forks, do you even live in the City of Atlanta?
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
11:24 am
Hey HDB, you sure are in the same corner, just be sure you don’t stand there very long or you will become another news items for local TV reports on driveby killings, something that Atlanta is famous for. As for the Atlanta Airport, just leave in the the current Atlanta hands and it will end up being taken over by the State who would run it much better.
Dirty Dawg
July 27th, 2010
11:34 am
OK Georgia Dawg…First, whatever favoritism the power structure of the City may have shown they learned by observing how ‘Boss Hog’ did it over the years – I don’t mean Ivan Allen, but Sam’s sure had some ’splainin’ to do – and if you go sayin’ that Boss Hog was one of them corrupt Democratic municipal and county heads, then you haven’t been paying attention to ‘The Southern Strategy’ that’s been working so well for Republicans since the ’60’s.
As for your comment about the City selling it’s ‘jail’ (actually a ‘detention center’) to friends of Jackson and Franklin, seems to me that the only folks I’ve read that they are in negotiations with – and this sale is critical to meeting the City’s budget plan – is Fulton County. After all it is the purview of the Sheriff’s Department to run jails anyway, so why not make it part of the Fulton County Jail system – they’ve got a shortage and Atlanta’s ‘jail’ occupancy is less than 75%…and as for ‘dim-witted’, seems to me that the ‘predominately’ white business leaders in the City are all for that sale, along with the more ‘fiscally’ aware members of the City Council as well as the County Commission…Fulton County needs the space…the City of Atlanta needs the money…but you need to make up crap and try to sell it as corruption.
Oh, one more thing. I would have thought you would have been behind the Clear Channel/Fouch side of this lawsuit since CC is not only the largest airport/transportation advertising company in the Country, it’s broadcasting arm is the poster-boy for right-wing talk across the nation as well. Simple fact is, Billy Corey’s ‘minority partner’ wasn’t as effective as ClearChannel’s was and Billy Corey’s operation ain’t exactly squeaky clean either.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:35 am
“That’s why I said LAX…not the airport, but the route!!”
So are you saying Southwest doesn’t land at LAX?
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:36 am
“why don’t you do us all a favor and return to your home state?”
Because I relocated for a job.
“The fact that you cannot distinguish between a “producer” and a “moocher” is disturbing.”
Do you always wet the bed, neo? It’s called sarcasm, look it up.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
11:37 am
Georgia Dawg July 27th, 2010
11:24 am
As a native of Atlanta, I’ve seen the transition that my home town has taken; at one point, much of the population was left out of the political process….now, the preponderance of the population IS involved in the political process. The problem is that many of the populace have not been economically affected by the change!
If the state, in its current political form, took over the airport, further diversion of funds would take place. Look at the expansion that’s underway now for a new international terminal; look at the addition of the fifth runway (10/28)……that’s because of the vision of many in LOCAL government who see what the airport CAN be…..along with the carriers that serve ATL!!
You say the state can run things better? The state can’t even get tax refunds back to people within a YEAR!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:37 am
“oh, and Grand Forks, do you even live in the City of Atlanta?”
None of your business, ma’am.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:43 am
“The state can’t even get tax refunds back to people within a YEAR!!”
Sounds like you’ve been cheating on your taxes.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
11:44 am
Grand Forks July 27th, 2010
11:35 am
With Southwest, though, they had taken over a lot of commuter routes that other major carriers had abandoned during mergers! The LAS/LAX route is one of SW’s most profitable routes….but the landing fees at LAX and LAS may be cheaper than they are in ATL!! Particularly in Cali, ther are some SW routes that allow them to serve high density airports like LAX…OAK/LAX is a strong SW route…..because of their business practice…if they have to serve a major airport like LAX, they can compensate by the service they have in the “minor” airports….like Chicago…SW serves MDW rather than ORD….landing fees are cheaper; they serve PVD rather than BOS….BWI rather than DCA or IAD…..
Also…the point-to-point vs. hub and spoke…and only having one aircraft type allows SW the flexibility that carriers like DL don’t have!! SW is the model for jetBlue and AirTran…
HDB
July 27th, 2010
11:46 am
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:43 am
“The state can’t even get tax refunds back to people within a YEAR!!”
Sounds like you’ve been cheating on your taxes.
Nope…the state Department of Revenue LAID OFF much of its workforce…they held tax returns for many Georgians for over SIX MONTHS…and in some cases, they haven’t paid the returns YET!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:47 am
“the state Department of Revenue LAID OFF much of its workforce”
Why?
Not sure what to tell you, HDB. I filed mine via web and got it back within 2 months.
David S
July 27th, 2010
11:48 am
Government officials commit crimes and taxpayers foot the bill. Yet another reason why all government functions should be handled by a truly free and competitive private sector market.
Of course these numbers are just the beginning. Throw in all the wrongful death suits at the hands of police, and the numbers grow and grow. In Mayfield, CA, the city was forced to close because they could no longer afford liability insurance. Their criminal-filled police force was costing the city so much money in lawsuits they just had to close up shop. Sounds like the approach Atlanta and other cities all over this country need to take. Might show the parasites who live off the taxpayers just what will happen when the money finally runs out. At least with a private company, unless the government steps in to bail out their friends, the penalties for liability hit home and there is some real accountability. And please don’t bring up BP. So much of that blame lies with the Federal Government and their demand that BP drill in 5000 feet of water instead of where they and the state agreed they should drill (500 feet of water). Add to that the government caps on liability (passed with the votes of SO many current congressional representatives and senators) and the conditions were ripe for failure.
At the Federal level, lets not forget how we are all getting screwed by TARP, the numerous stimulus plans, and the general inflation caused by the Federal Reserve and their non-stop printing press.
The well-connected always profit from their use of the power of government. Good companies can manage to be successful without special privilages.
joe
July 27th, 2010
11:49 am
Anyone who has lived here for any decent length of time knows that the city officials are some of the most corrupt in the entire country…and the airport takes the cake. I know several people who have worked in various contract related positions and each one without hesitation says bribery is the only way to win contracts there…and the city is pretty much the same way. I wish Mary Norwood would have won mayor…seemed that would be the only way to stop the corruption. Don’t think the new guy will do anything about it.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:49 am
HDB
You’re probably right about costs, although I have no idea the cost of flying into LAX. I mean, they also fly into nearby John Wayne Airport in Orange County or wherever it is. All I’m saying is, I wish Southwest would start flying into Atlanta. I think it would help out a lot of people.
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
11:50 am
Grand Forks, no, it’s called a pathetic attempt at race-baiting humor, which reveals insecurity and ignorance. there is a difference between race-baiting and “sarcasm” (…mocking or contemptuous remarks…). so tell us, oh great employed, conservative is your “contempt” for politicians, or black people in general? are you a great white dope, or a self-loathing African American?
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
11:50 am
OK Dirty Dawg, you win with your points, when Atlanta goes belly up like Detroit, you can blame it on Bush along with the next LA quake,floods and wild fires and along the way when Obama leaves office in 012 with his book deal millions, lifetime pension & taxpayer expence account and unemployement still at 10% or more, blame it on Bush. As for Reed, he’s just another “bought ” boy by the Atlanta political machine that the great Jackson put in place years ago
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:55 am
“no, it’s called a pathetic attempt at race-baiting humor, which reveals insecurity and ignorance.”
No, it’s called sarcasm, ma’am. Just because you look for “racism” doesn’t mean it’s true. Funny how you didn’t say one thing about how Franklin added Jackson’s name to the airport when he had absolutely NOTHING to do with the airport.
“are you a great white dope, or a self-loathing African American?”
Trust me, ma’am, I am MUCH smarter than you are.
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
11:56 am
oh, and the “wet the bed” and “none of your business” stuff suggests you have the emotional capacity of a 10 year-old. feel free to respond with “I know you are, but what am I?” and you can be sure that “I’m rubber and you’re glue…”
Mr. Smith
July 27th, 2010
11:57 am
Dirty Dawg thinks city officials are FORCED to steal because surrounding counties won’t fund their incompetence?
That makes no sense.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:58 am
“oh, and the “wet the bed” and “none of your business” stuff suggests you have the emotional capacity of a 10 year-old.”
No, it means that I am capable of putting you in your place.
“feel free to respond with “I know you are, but what am I?”
You already did that, ma’am.
Whacks Eloquent
July 27th, 2010
12:02 pm
Hmmm, seems like a good time to throw in the privatization angle again. If this were a private company, they and their shareholders alone would be facing this penalty. But no, this stupid city wants to hold on to and continue to mismanage what should be the biggest cash cow in the southeast. I’d love to see them sell the airport, pay off all debts, return property taxes to lower levels and encourage more businesses to come in with the money they’d make off it. Sure there is no guarantee that a private company would not see some corruption too, but seriously, can they do any worse?
HDB
July 27th, 2010
12:05 pm
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
11:47 am
“the state Department of Revenue LAID OFF much of its workforce”
Why?
Not sure what to tell you, HDB. I filed mine via web and got it back within 2 months.”
Note – if you e-filed your fed, you received your return in 10 days…but the state took two months???
My mother-in-law..who is not technically savvy, filed her paper return…and has YET to get her return back! Everyone isn’t computer literate…particularly those who are elderly!! Even with a paper return, my mother-in-law got her fed back in less than six weeks!!
Wouldn’t you keep the employees working for the department that insures that you’re getting the revenue stream you need to run the state???
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
12:06 pm
Grand Forks, intelligence is over-rated. You are a prime example (left a state where jobs are being created to move to a city where graft and corruption are rampant). I provied you with the American Heritage Dictionary definition of sarcasm, and asked if the contempt revealed by your comments was for politicians (the subject of this blog) or African American enterainers in general? I have said nothing about racism. even a person of my inferior intelligence knows there is a difference between “race-bating humor” and “racism”. for someone who claims to be “much smarter” than me, I sure do spend a lot of time mentoring you. Oh, and I was among the first to take issue with the City Council’s move to rename the airport (and Southside H.S.). so again, please explain why you feel the need to include non-politician African-American in your weak attempt a humor.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
12:12 pm
HDB
Yeah, that really stinks. Hope it works out for you because there are a lot of states that have yet to send tax return money to the tax payers.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
12:17 pm
“intelligence is over-rated.”
Since when.
“You are a prime example (left a state where jobs are being created to move to a city where graft and corruption are rampant).”
Ever been to Chicago, Detroit, LA, NYC etc?
“I provied you with the American Heritage Dictionary definition of sarcasm, and asked if the contempt revealed by your comments was for politicians (the subject of this blog) or African American enterainers in general?”
Dude, speaking of dictionaries, use one please. Also, use spell check.
“I have said nothing about racism.”
Huh, I guess I misread this statement from you: no, it’s called a pathetic attempt at race-baiting humor, which reveals insecurity and ignorance.
You called me so many names, I just assumed you were referring to me as a racist. Instead, you called me several other names.
“for someone who claims to be “much smarter” than me, I sure do spend a lot of time mentoring you.”
LOL! I bet you’re big in fantasyland.
“Oh, and I was among the first to take issue with the City Council’s move to rename the airport (and Southside H.S.).”
And I care why?
“so again, please explain why you feel the need to include non-politician African-American in your weak attempt a humor.”
You’re the only one complaining about my humor, ma’am. Are you not getting any at home?
now tha't funny
July 27th, 2010
12:24 pm
We be livin in da best city in Atlanta. We have a proud history of black leadership in this great city. That’s why we be one of the most educated and influintial cities in the worlds. Sure we have our problems, crime, drugs, lack of leadership, illiteracy, people not wearing their pants around their waist,etc.. but don’t all cities? I love atlanta and strong black leadership up in it. Be proud, we be done come a long way!!
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
12:39 pm
Now tha’t funny, you be right, don’t forget the fine sewer system that great black leadership left the City
CJ
July 27th, 2010
12:42 pm
Now tha’t funny @12:24,
Racists like you are the Republican Party’s wet dream.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
12:43 pm
Democrats are liars and crooks.
Rangel, ethics committee in last-minute bargaining
The Associated Press has learned that New York Democrat Charles Rangel is making a last-minute effort to settle his ethics case. A settlement would mean that Rangel must agree that he committed some ethical misconduct.
The talks were confirmed by people familiar with the situation, but who were not authorized to be quoted by name.
Rangel stepped down earlier this year as chairman of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee because of an earlier ethics charge. A settlement would spare him an embarrassing ethics trial. It also would be a relief for other Democrats, who fear that an dragged-out ethics proceeding during the fall election campaign would hurt their ability to maintain their House majority.
The ethics committee’s trial phase has been scheduled to commence Thursday afternoon.
Raymond Huffman
July 27th, 2010
12:44 pm
Grand Forks, do those wonderful jobs in North Dakota and Alaska let you post on blogs all day like the one you have now?
I would rather live in Moscow or Havana that those toxic waste dumps.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
12:44 pm
“Racists like you are the Republican Party’s wet dream.”
Nah, they’re better in the democrat party along with Robert Byrd. You know, since you gals don’t mind having Klanners serving over 50 years in your party.
CJ
July 27th, 2010
12:44 pm
I wouldn’t blame Kyle for deleting my 12:42, so here’s a cleaner version.
Now tha’t funny @12:24,
Racists like you are the Republican Party’s dream come true.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
12:45 pm
“do those wonderful jobs in North Dakota and Alaska let you post on blogs all day like the one you have now?”
Not sure, ma’am. I live in GA.
“I would rather live in Moscow or Havana that those toxic waste dumps.”
So would every other commie.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
12:52 pm
Raymond Huffman
I’m guessing that you’ve never been to Alaska. Alaska is tops when it comes to tourism and is THE most rugged state in the union. Then again, you’d rather live under communists dictators in Cuba.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
12:53 pm
Grand Forks July 27th, 2010
11:55 am
“Funny how you didn’t say one thing about how Franklin added Jackson’s name to the airport when he had absolutely NOTHING to do with the airport.”
Here’s where you’re wrong! When Maynard Jackson became mayor, Delta was in its initial expansion into the international market. Delta/Pan Am had an interchange from ATL/Dulles/Heathrow. Jackson, envisioning that Atlanta’s growth would be tied to the growth of Delta and the airport, began allocating funding for the Midfield Terminal Project. It was under the Jackson Administration that the current layout for Hartsfield was envisioned, designed, and implemented. The original terminals (T(International),and A-D) were opened on September 20, 1978 with Eastern having the first flight out of the new terminal. Because the first mayor who saw the possibilities of what the airport could do was William B. Hartsfield, the city honored Hartsfield by naming the airport after him. Jackson’s name wasn’t added until after his death in 2003 to honor Jackson’s vision of the Midfield Terminal……
Got it!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
12:56 pm
“Got it!!”
Nope.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
12:58 pm
HDB
The council had initially planned on renaming the airport solely for Mayor Jackson, but public outcry,[16] especially by Mayor Hartsfield’s descendants, prompted the compromise.
From Wiki
Now, anyone and everyone knows that the the city council added Jackson’s name to the airport simply to get whitey off of it. When they tried to do that, the city went nuts.
Franklin, like Campbell, is a racist.
Dirty Dawg
July 27th, 2010
1:09 pm
Mr. Smith…like most of my friends on the right you ‘conflate’ a couple of comments in order to jump to your own, erroneous, conclusion. What I said, in effect, is that when the white power structure (the Boss Hog’ reference, as it were) hands out contracts to it’s ‘friends’, it’s considered the way politics works (I mean why in hell do you think those people contribute all that money to those candidates in the first place?)…but when a voting populace changes and (due primarily to the promotion of ‘negrophobia’, and the resulting ‘white flight’, by the right-wing of this Nation’s political structure) decides to elect black politicians who in turn might just hand out a few political favors to their friends, it’s called ‘corruption’.
As for the strangle-hold the state and surrounding counties have had on the City, and increased the pressure markedly over these past eight years…you say it’s for perceived incompetence, I say it’s prejudice – pure and simple. Face it, it first manifested itself when no county, other than Fulton and Dekalb, would agree to participate in MARTA. Atlanta wasn’t considered ‘incompetent’ then was she? We had a white mayor and a predominately white business power structure, so why not participate in a regional transportation system…for no other reason than they feared the boogieman…and they still do, only now that they’ve managed to ’starve’ MARTA for funds over the years, they can say it’s because they are ‘incompetent’.
The City of Atlanta, with all our, so-called, incompetence generates far more revenue into the State coffers than she receives in state services. Tragically, the incompetence at the State level has allowed our competitors for growth – notably Charlotte and North Carolina – to overtake us in many areas and have the momentum to out-strip us even more in the years ahead. We need a Governor that will work in partnership with the City to generate an new era in productivity for the City, the Region and the State. If you haven’t figured that out yet – Reed and Barnes are our only salvation, cause any Republican elected will be beholden to the Tea Partiers and all the greed and prejudice they represent.
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
1:10 pm
Jackson’s vision of the Midfield Terminal was: HOW CAN I GET MY FRIENDS AND RELATIVES CONTRACTS FOR ALL THE PLUM COMMERICAL SPOTS AT THIS AIRPORT. Some vision
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tar and feathers party
July 27th, 2010
1:18 pm
Its racism pure and simple at the airport. The blacks are in charge, they do business only with other blacks, and the Feds are too chicken to do anything about it. Fine, but that completely justifies my refusal to ever do business with ANY black person ANYWHERE, EVER.
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
1:24 pm
tar and feathers, as previously noted by others, it is racially-driven cronyism, not racism. you are within your rights to not do business with anyone of any race, but the fact that the airport has become a political poker chip for Atlanta’s black “leadership” suggest to me the discrimination is racial, but not based on the notion that blacks are superior to whites (the essence of racism). in fact, I would argue that Maynard Jackson et al were the equal of corrupt white criminal politicians, which means, as always this was about the color of money.
morganna the kissing bandit
July 27th, 2010
1:33 pm
g-forks,
Your the reason God made Oklahoma, please move there….
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
1:37 pm
“Your the reason God made Oklahoma, please move there….”
Awe, another bed wetting mystery meat tells me to move away. How cute.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
1:38 pm
neo-Carlinist July 27th, 2010
1:24 pm
Many see what Maynard Jackson did as corrupt….but when minority business ventures had been systematically left out the the economic progress of the City, Jackson attacked that idea by requiring that anyone doing business with the city have at least 10% of the contract going to MBE’s (minority business enterprises); that did lead to minority economic growth in Atlanta. Many majority/minority joint ventures were created which did make minority economic growth possible…and created increased minority political power!!
In many areas, what Jackson did DID make the city better for everyone!! Now some took it to the extreme……abd they should be called out!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
1:39 pm
“Your the reason”
morganna the kissing bandit, please learn how to use proper English. It helps when YOU’RE throwing out an insult to someone else.
Thanks
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
1:40 pm
“In many areas, what Jackson did DID make the city better for everyone!! ”
Yeah, because race based businesses are great for everyone. Uh huh.
Hey HDB, when’s the all-black city council gonna fix the sewage system that has been broken for over 20 years?
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
1:41 pm
Grand Forks, now I remember you. I remember the “I’m smarter than you”, “you called me names” and referring to all as “ma’am” from a couple months back. you need to show some sack and stick with the same name – unless of course, you were booted? for the last time, I don’t care if you are a racist – in fact, I have no issues with racists, as I have no control over what people think or believe. I referred to you as “pathetic” and “ignorant” because you dempnstrate these qualities. but just because all racists are ignorant, doesn’t mean all ignorant people are racists. so again, I understand why you think all politicians are corrupt; and I agree – I just think white ones politicans and Republicans (Dick Cheney, Saxby Chambliss, Barney Frank) are just as loathesome as Bill Campbell, Maynard Jackson, Shirley Franklin, and Andrew Young. I just don’t understand why you felt the need to include black musicians/entertainers in your “sarcastic” rant. By your “sarcastic humor” we should name the airport Hartsfield-Alan Jackson, no? remember Alan Jackson? he wrote that “9/11″ anthem in 2001. surely one as intelligent as yourself understand why someone as uneducated and inferior might be confused by the inconsistencies of your flimsy osition. in fact, I think it would be cool to name the airport after Big Boi (or Travis Tritt); he’s done far more for this city than Maynard Jackson.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
1:42 pm
tar and feathers party July 27th, 2010
1:18 pm
“Its racism pure and simple at the airport. The blacks are in charge, they do business only with other blacks, and the Feds are too chicken to do anything about it. Fine, but that completely justifies my refusal to ever do business with ANY black person ANYWHERE, EVER.”
Not quite…there are business partnerships that are both MBE’sand majority/minority joint ventures. The feds are not responsible for the commercial operations of the airport; that belongs to the city. The feds’ concern go as far as security and flight operations!! The airlines contract much of their operations to vendors that THEY chose…not the city!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
1:45 pm
“I don’t care if you are a racist – in fact, I have no issues with racists, as I have no control over what people think or believe.”
Oh, so NOW I’m a racist. Before, you said I was not…
“I referred to you as “pathetic” and “ignorant” because you dempnstrate these qualities.”
Grammar fail.
“I just don’t understand why you felt the need to include black musicians/entertainers in your “sarcastic” rant.”
Might have something to do with one Cynthia McKinny who once said we need a holiday for Tu Pac.
“surely one as intelligent as yourself understand why someone as uneducated and inferior might be confused by the inconsistencies of your flimsy osition.”
Grammar fail.
“in fact, I think it would be cool to name the airport after Big Boi (or Travis Tritt)”
I’d rather see the airport named after the B-52’s. At least their name has something to do with an aircraft.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
1:47 pm
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
1:40 pm
“In many areas, what Jackson did DID make the city better for everyone!! ”
Yeah, because race based businesses are great for everyone. Uh huh.
Hey HDB, when’s the all-black city council gonna fix the sewage system that has been broken for over 20 years?
1) The sewer problem was being attacked…but economic decline in the city has prevented that from being further solved!!
2) Not all businesses in Atlanta were race based….but it was a methodology to get MBE’s more involved in the economic progress of Atlanta. Note how Herman Russell’s construction business GREW with the joint contract he received with Hartsfield’s construction! Dobbs/Paschal had the catering contract! It wasn’t race based…..but joint ventures!! It DOES work when implemented correctly!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
1:50 pm
“but economic decline in the city has prevented that from being further solved!”
Oh, so the last 20 years were in economic decline?
“Note how Herman Russell’s construction business GREW with the joint contract he received with Hartsfield’s construction! ”
Well yeah, that’s what skin colored contracts will do for you.
Remember what Jackson said: If someone is black, vote black.
Nope, no racism there, huh.
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
1:51 pm
HDB, I disagree. What Jackson did was no different than what any corrupt politician does; sells influence and votes, which makes the city weaker (and $18 million poorer). please define “minority” for me. Maybarn Jackson and his machine were (are) the “majority” in Atlanta when it comes to doing business with the City. power is power, and it has nothing to do with race.
Burroughston Broch
July 27th, 2010
1:57 pm
If Mayor Reed is the real deal (and I hope that he is), then taking fire hoses to clean out the Airport stable is a great place to start. Since he appoints a new manager, then that’s a plus. Is Angela Gittens available?
Junior Samples
July 27th, 2010
2:03 pm
Kyle Wingfield, bringing out the best of Atlantans’ since May 2009.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Kyle is baiting the hook.
You are falling for it. Hook. Line. Sinker.
Wallis the dog
July 27th, 2010
2:05 pm
If you live only a few miles north of the city, getting to Chattanooga’s airport is an easier experience. THAT’s where Southwest should start flying to. Unless it’s Briscoe Field.
Junior Samples
July 27th, 2010
2:10 pm
And why are you people arguing with someone from North Dakota?
Seriously?
jm
July 27th, 2010
2:15 pm
Nathan Deal is a corrupt b@stard.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
2:17 pm
neo-Carlinist July 27th, 2010
1:51 pm
At the time of Midfield construction, many of the MBE’s couldn’t get a bid into the process because they were excluded by the existing ECONOMIC power structure…particularly in construction and architecture!! When Jackson implemented the MBE section, that created majority/minority partnerships that spurred minority economic growth in Atlanta!! Granted, under Jackson’s administrations, the paradigm shifted….but it was a gradual process…..
Grand Forks July 27th, 2010
1:50 pm
“but economic decline in the city has prevented that from being further solved!” Oh, so the last 20 years were in economic decline?
The past four would be the vantage point which I would refer….with the tax base declining because of the aging population of Atlanta…..
“Note how Herman Russell’s construction business GREW with the joint contract he received with Hartsfield’s construction! ” Well yeah, that’s what skin colored contracts will do for you.
Hey, Russell did excellent work when he was the SUBCONTRACTOR on the initial iteration of the Midfield Terminal…he became the primary contractor on later expansions!! On time and budget……the experience he got during the initial construction allowed him to bid for subsequent projects…..
Burroughston Broch July 27th, 2010
1:57 pm
“If Mayor Reed is the real deal (and I hope that he is), then taking fire hoses to clean out the Airport stable is a great place to start. Since he appoints a new manager, then that’s a plus. Is Angela Gittens available?”
Hope so…she definitely was top shelf!!
Junior Samples
July 27th, 2010
2:22 pm
Hey Grand Forks,
I’ll bet you could you see Canada from your childhood home.
UsmcDawg
July 27th, 2010
2:23 pm
@CJ:
You are a Racist… See, we can do the same “lame” bull $h!t to you.
You are the Democratic Party’s wet dream.
Get an education because hurling charges of racism is passe and doesn’t carry the same “punch” that it once did.
“Everybody’s a Racist!”… Ok, we got it out of our system.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
2:25 pm
“I’ll bet you could you see Canada from your childhood home.”
Considering Canada is next door, sure.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
2:25 pm
“And why are you people arguing with someone from North Dakota?”
What does it matter?
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
2:27 pm
“The past four would be the vantage point which I would refer….with the tax base declining because of the aging population of Atlanta…..”
Why four? I brought up the fact that the last 20-30 years have not been all that bad economically. Considering you love Clinton, why didn’t the city do anything about the sewer system when he was in office for 8 years?
Oh yeah, I forgot, you only blame republicans for everything.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
2:28 pm
“You are falling for it. Hook. Line. Sinker.”
Yet you’re here.
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
2:31 pm
HDB, so you are saying that Maynard Jackon replaced a (presumably) white ECONOMIC power strcutre with a black economic power structure? and this benefited the city as a whole? as I said, I can think of 18 million arguments against that logic. cronyism does not “create partnerships” it “creates” lawsuits (which created tax increases for citizens). at the very least, the disenfranchised MBEs should have filed suit, as opposed to courting a de facto “mob boss” for a seat at the table.
Grand Forks, I believe I said “…I don’t care IF you are a racist…” now “IF” is a small word, but it is an important word (it’s incoclusive, which is a “big” word). I know this may be hard for you to understand, but you accused me of calling you a racist. I (foolishly) tried to explain the difference between “weak race-baiting humor” and “racism”. there is a difference. you then suggested that because I called you ignorant and pathetic, you assumed I meant “racist”. so, in closing; when a person says “I don’t care if you are a racist” it suggests the person does not know (or, believe it or not, “care”). please excuse typos and spelling gaffes.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
2:37 pm
Grand Forks July 27th, 2010
2:27 pm
The city’s sewer probelms happened because the city’s water and sewer department was in the hands of a PRIVATE CONTRACTOR, not city-run!!
…and BOTH Republicans and Democrats are to blame for this!!
Re: http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-water-sewer-rates-154647.html
To expound further: Lawsuits ended with two federal court orders requiring the city to clean up its sewers after years of neglect. Franklin’s predecessor, Bill Campbell, chose to pay fines rather than begin the pipe repair work. But he wasn’t the only leader who failed to resolve the issue. City officials say Atlanta failed to invest in the system for decades. Some major projects didn’t really fix key problems. Millions went toward projects that were later abandoned.
Franklin assumed the title “sewer mayor” and made the Clean Water Atlanta program a cornerstone of her administration. She severed ties with the private contractor running the water system. The mayor also picked an expert panel to review the sewer repair program.
Originally the mayor said ratepayers should expect to pay $1 billion of a $3 billion program. She argued that even that burden was unfair when other cities in similar situations received hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid.
She said she expected $1 billion each from the city’s state and federal “partners.” But the city could never get that kind of help. The state provided $50 million a year in low-interest loans over 10 years. And, legislators approved a sales tax for sewers that allowed city residents to tax themselves. But the state has balked at any grants.
City officials complained that they’ve faced, for most of Franklin’s tenure, a hostile Republican administration not willing to help a Democratic-voting Southern city. They say the Bush administration was focused on wars abroad after Sept. 11, rather than on the needs of local governments.
In addition, they say, Georgia’s congressional delegation has lacked either the inclination or the clout to help the city with its sewer program.
“We heard a lot from our federal lobbyists that if we did our part, help would come,” said Clair Muller, a councilwoman who has been involved in water and sewer issues for a decade. “It just never did.”
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
2:51 pm
HDB
And still, nothing gets done after 30 + years.
Williebkind
July 27th, 2010
2:52 pm
Atlanta is a progressive liberal hub. Transplants come to make money and leave the mess behind. I really do not care what happens to Atlanta. You could tur$s floating down the street for all I care. I just do not want my tax dollars bailing out the corrupt officials there. This is not the first time Atlanta has lost big law suits for its business as usual. Take your business elsewhere! Get out of its city limits.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
2:56 pm
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
2:51 pm
HDB
And still, nothing gets done after 30 + years
Can’t argue that one…..
@@
July 27th, 2010
2:57 pm
Good lawd, Kyle!!! Atlanta’s taxpayers are only out $3,000,000 and rising???
Clayton County’s taxpayers had our shorts ripped off by a short sheriff.
On his next-to-last day as sheriff he filed for bankruptcy, claiming he couldn’t pay $1.7 million in damages from several lawsuits generated during his tumultuous four years as sheriff.
Of that $1.7 million, he owed $475,000 to Mark Tuggle, the brother of Hill’s predecessor as sheriff, Stanley Tuggle. Mark Tuggle won a lawsuit against Hill in U.S. District Court after a jury found Hill guilty of false arrest.
The 27 deputies Hill fired later sued for wrongful termination, got their jobs back and won a $7 million settlement that Clayton County paid.
Then our former sheriff had the audacity to seek a senate seat this last election? The scary thing is he didn’t do all that bad percentage wise. Came in second to the winner, Seay.
Oh, by the by…I didn’t know Valencia Seay had encouraged Hill to get into politics until I read an article in the AJC. Needless to say, I didn’t vote for her either. With friends like Valencia, who needs enemies.
Down here it’s all democrats all the time.
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
2:59 pm
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, NO HELP FROM YOUR FEDERAL LOBBYISTS. The out standing John ” I walked with Dr. King ” Lewis brought Billions in Federal dollars to Atlanta for the sewer right?
HDB
July 27th, 2010
3:13 pm
Georgia Dawg July 27th, 2010
2:59 pm
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, NO HELP FROM YOUR FEDERAL LOBBYISTS. The out standing John ” I walked with Dr. King ” Lewis brought Billions in Federal dollars to Atlanta for the sewer right?
“City officials complained that they’ve faced, for most of Franklin’s tenure, a hostile Republican administration not willing to help a Democratic-voting Southern city. They say the Bush administration was focused on wars abroad after Sept. 11, rather than on the needs of local governments.
In addition, they say, Georgia’s congressional delegation has lacked either the inclination or the clout to help the city with its sewer program. ” John Lewis couldn’t do it by himself…even if the appropriation was created in the House (where Lewis resides), it had to get passed in the SENATE…wherre Chambliss and Isakson would do whatever to marginalize the city of Atlanta!! Note the article said either the INCLINATION or CLOUT!! That should let all know where the Georgia delegation ranks in the government……
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
3:13 pm
“Can’t argue that one…..”
Color me stunned.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
3:15 pm
@@
July 27th, 2010
2:57 pm
Good lawd, Kyle!!! Atlanta’s taxpayers are only out $3,000,000 and rising???
Clayton County’s taxpayers had our shorts ripped off by a short sheriff.
It’s not Atlanta……the only part of Clayton that involves the city is the airport!!
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
3:19 pm
Hey HDB. I bet you did not know that John Lewis walked with Dr. King did you? He has spent most of his life ” walking ” with Dr. King, maybe that’s why the City never got any matching Federal Funds but it did keep getting him re-elected by the room temp IQ’s in his district
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
3:22 pm
Just so everyone here understands, Bush’s family sold defected sewer pipe to Atlanta and that’s why the city has problems
@@
July 27th, 2010
3:23 pm
HDB:
It was just a comparison for entertainment purposes.
What….you didn’t enjoy it?
HDB
July 27th, 2010
3:26 pm
Georgia Dawg July 27th, 2010
3:19 pm
I knew he walked with Dr. King (I was there for a few of them!)….but it also takes the SENATE, The House can appropriate funding….but if the SENATE doesn’t pass a similar bill and the compromises worked out in committee…no matter what’s done in the House, nothing would come down to the city!!
Question: What about those knuckleheads that kept electing Paul Broun, Nathan (ethically-challenged) Deal to their respective districts?? Same thing……no one challenged them!! A Democrat couldn’t get past first base there….and no Republican is willing to campaign in the inner city!! Wise man said: no guts…no glory!!!
HDB
July 27th, 2010
3:28 pm
@@
July 27th, 2010
3:23 pm
HDB:
It was just a comparison for entertainment purposes.
What….you didn’t enjoy it?
It was funny…but just don’t point that to Atlanta…there’s enough issues there that we don’t need to take on any more lunacies!!
Jack
July 27th, 2010
3:28 pm
Let’s not forget the ex-mayor’s ex-husband had a sweetheart deal at the airport. And he died owing the city and state millions of dollars in taxes. May he RIP.
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
3:28 pm
Not to worry Atlanta, as soon as Roy Barnes gets elected, he will solve all Atlanta’s sewer problems by flushing himself down the drain with a big brush
HDB
July 27th, 2010
3:30 pm
Georgia Dawg July 27th, 2010
3:22 pm
“Just so everyone here understands, Bush’s family sold defected sewer pipe to Atlanta and that’s why the city has problems”
Maybe Bush had a defective crack pipe…and that’s why we’re in Iraq and Afghanistan………(a comparison for entertainment purposes)…..
HDB
July 27th, 2010
3:31 pm
Jack July 27th, 2010
3:28 pm
“Let’s not forget the ex-mayor’s ex-husband had a sweetheart deal at the airport. And he died owing the city and state millions of dollars in taxes. May he RIP.”
Dead men tell no tales!!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
3:34 pm
“and that’s why we’re in Iraq and Afghanistan…”
So when’s Obama bringing the troops home?
Georgia Dawg
July 27th, 2010
3:34 pm
City of Atlanta, Fulton County, Dekalb County, Clayton County well you know the drill.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
3:34 pm
“Dead men tell no tales!!!”
No, they just somehow vote democrat.
@@
July 27th, 2010
3:46 pm
HDB:
You do realize that some of our lunacies were, at one time, some of your lunacies, do you not?
When the Olympics came to Atlanta and the city needed to beautify itself, our county opened up it’s housing market to moderate to low income housing. Down here we’ve had only one Republican, elected to serve as chairman of our BoC. He didn’t last long. He was rendered ineffectual because the other members were Democrats. That’s what I meant when I said all Democrats all the time.
Our county is a fiasco because of Democratic leadership although I do like Eldrin Bell…he came down from Atlanta.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
3:50 pm
@@
Remember, George Bush was responsible for everything in Atlanta. From the Civil War to the Braves only winning one WS title. It’s all Bush’s fault.
@@
July 27th, 2010
3:50 pm
Oops! Don’t know if HDB is from Atlanta, so that should have read:
…some of our lunacies were, at one time, some of Atlanta’s lunacies…
@@
July 27th, 2010
3:52 pm
Grand:
Well, there’s left-wing navel gazing, and then there’s bush gazing. Both done with heads down.
@@
July 27th, 2010
3:53 pm
DANG! I ain’t doin’ too well today.
…there’s left-wing navel gazing, and then there’s left-wing bush gazing…
IHB
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
4:12 pm
@@
It’s safe to say that a lot of Obama voters have buyers remorse. No matter how hard they bash Bush, they can’t seem to convince anyone that Obama is any better.
lyndon larouche
July 27th, 2010
4:12 pm
Gfork,
Only you and your momma know why she wouldn’t let you suckle her teet….
HDB
July 27th, 2010
4:22 pm
@@
July 27th, 2010
3:50 pm
Oops! Don’t know if HDB is from Atlanta, so that should have read:
…some of our lunacies were, at one time, some of Atlanta’s lunacies…
Hey…born and bred native of Atlanta….so I understand EXACTLY what you mean!!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
4:12 pm
@@
It’s safe to say that a lot of Obama voters have buyers remorse….
Some may…I don’t!! My jobless period was significantly REDUCED under Obama than it was under Bush…..
Like Teddy said: Some see things as they are and ask “Why?”; I see things as they should be and ask “Why NOT?”
Jay
July 27th, 2010
4:25 pm
what ha happened? this d-bag is pissed cause he lost a contract. big friggin deal. people lose contraacts all the time.
he is just bitter that’s all. ask the CEO of BP life ain’t fair.
What exactly did the city do that was wrong?
Are there any criminal charges? no.
the d-bag is just upset things did not go his way.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
4:27 pm
“Only you and your momma know why she wouldn’t let you suckle her teet….”
tick…tick….tick….
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
4:27 pm
“Like Teddy said:”
Teddy the murderer?
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
4:28 pm
“Some may…I don’t!!’
Again, I said SOME PEOPLE. I wasn’t talking to you or about you.
It’s not always about you, HDB. Get over yourself.
Jay
July 27th, 2010
4:29 pm
is anyone complaining or suing cheney for his no bid contracts to Haliburton? no.
@@
July 27th, 2010
4:31 pm
Like Teddy said: Some see things as they are and ask “Why?”; I see things as they should be and ask “Why NOT?”
I thought it was Bobby Kennedy who said that…him and George Bernard Shaw.
Why NOT?
The fallbility of mankind…womankind…OR humankind. Pick one or all.
@@
July 27th, 2010
4:33 pm
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neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
4:36 pm
Jay, “…charging a man with murder here is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500…” Capt. Willard, Apocalypse Now. How long you been in Atlanta? Remember the Ray Lewis Super Bowl stabbings? “unsolved” crimes are committed all the time. And just because Corey won his case in civil court, doesn’t mean Bill Campbell didn’t lose his in Federal criminal court (tax evasion, just like Al Capone).
neo-Carlinist
July 27th, 2010
4:37 pm
again, just because Cheney is (presently) above the law, doesn’t mean crimes were not commited
HDB
July 27th, 2010
4:46 pm
@@ July 27th, 2010
4:31 pm
Like Teddy said: Some see things as they are and ask “Why?”; I see things as they should be and ask “Why NOT?”
I thought it was Bobby Kennedy who said that…him and George Bernard Shaw.
Shaw…yes…and Teddy when he eulogized Bobby in New York in 1968!
HDB
July 27th, 2010
4:48 pm
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
4:27 pm
“Like Teddy said:”
Teddy the murderer?
Don’t think he was ever charged, tried, or convicted in a court of law for that charge to have been adjudicated…..
The court of public opinion is not always right!!
@@
July 27th, 2010
4:55 pm
Poor Bobby. Never gets/got firsties or so I’ve heard.
@@
July 27th, 2010
4:56 pm
The Kennedy’s “die nasty”.
No fan of the Kennedy clan, HDB.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
5:03 pm
@@
July 27th, 2010
4:56 pm
The Kennedy’s “die nasty”.
No fan of the Kennedy clan, HDB.
Understand…..some remember that the Kennedys were bootleggers…and the Bushs sold oil to the Nazis…and the Henry Fords supported the Nazis in WW2…..a lot of negatives come out about politicians; the question is this: Which side gets the greater pass??
HDB
July 27th, 2010
5:07 pm
Off-topic … but fot those who were decrying health care reform:
from the Washington TIMES (and I’m no fan of Sun Myung Moon!):
Md. could save $829M under health care reform
By Brian Witte ASSOCIATED PRESS
10:52 a.m., Monday, July 26, 2010
ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) — Maryland could save about $829 million on health care costs between fiscal year 2011 and 2020 because of federal health care reform, according to a model the state released Monday.
The savings, however, last only until the end of the decade, when the federal law shifts a greater share of financial responsibility for Medicaid expansion to the states.
The projections are in an interim report by Maryland’s Health Care Reform Coordinating Council, which Gov. Martin O’Malley created in March to study how the federal health care reform law will affect the state.
While the report emphasizes that current and future projections are fluid, it cautions that the state must stay committed to reducing overall health care costs. That’s because Maryland is projected to spend $46 million more in fiscal year 2020 as a result of health care reform than it would without it.
IF the savings can be found by Maryland…..what’s the possibilities nationwide!! It’s a START!!!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
5:11 pm
“Don’t think he was ever charged, tried, or convicted in a court of law for that charge to have been adjudicated…..”
Neither was Hitler, but it doesn’t mean that Hitler didn’t kill Jews.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
5:12 pm
“and the Bushs sold oil to the Nazis”
HDB= Michael Moore.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
5:13 pm
HDB
You don’t work in the medical field, do you. Didn’t think so.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
5:25 pm
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
5:12 pm
“and the Bushs sold oil to the Nazis”
HDB= Michael Moore.
Here’s my source on that one…and it’s NOT Michael Moore!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
How Bush’s grandfather helped Hitler’s rise to power
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
5:32 pm
“How Bush’s grandfather helped Hitler’s rise to power”
Is there anything you left wing retards don’t blame on Bush? Geez, next you’ll be telling me that Bush’s great grand dad killed Jesus.
HDB
July 27th, 2010
5:43 pm
Grand Forks July 27th, 2010
5:32 pm
If he’s related to Pontious Pilate……..
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
5:44 pm
“If he’s related to Pontious Pilate……..”
HDB, do me a favor and STFU. I’m sick of your constant rants on racism and calling everyone in the book racist, nazis etc.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
5:45 pm
Well, here’s more proof that democrats want a dictatorship after all. November can’t come soon enough.
Mass. Legislature approves plan to bypass Electoral College
The Massachusetts Legislature has approved a new law intended to bypass the Electoral College system and ensure that the winner of the presidential election is determined by the national popular vote.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/07/mass_legislatur.html
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
5:46 pm
HDB
By the way, your own African people sold your ancestors into slavery. How’s that for a dose of reality.
manny
July 27th, 2010
6:04 pm
gfraud,
Hang in there buddy, you’ll get a job someday, in the meantime try valium…
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:05 pm
pansy
I have one, but thanks for the comment.
manny
July 27th, 2010
6:08 pm
look mommy its gforks the ignorant pez dispenser
@@
July 27th, 2010
6:08 pm
Chevy Volt to cost $41,000 before rebate
A federal tax credit would bring the electric car’s price to $33,500. Volt’s main rival, the Nissan Leaf, could have a base price of $20,280 for Californians after subsidies. Both go on sale later this year.
Alright, I’ll leave the high-priced cars for all you rich folks. There’s no way I’d pay $33,500 OR $20,280 for a car. $10,000 tops…maybe $13,000.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:13 pm
“look mommy its gforks the ignorant pez dispenser”
tick…tick…tick….
@@
July 27th, 2010
6:14 pm
HDB:
Which side gets the greater pass??
That one’s easy. Have you been following Charlie Rangel’s (behind the scenes) negotiations?
Democrats fer sho! I mean you can’t pry those people out of their seats with a crowbar.
And no “those people” does not mean black representatives. Democrats in general.
DGator
July 27th, 2010
6:15 pm
I fail to see Shirley Franklin’s name mentioned much here. Shirley got her ex-husband and son sweetheart deals at the airport for years and she worked for Maynard Jackson and Bill Campbell. She continued the “Good Ole Brother” cronyism at the Airport and should have to come up with some of the funds to pay off Billy Corey. Also, how in the hell did she keep her daughter out of jail. When is the hammer going to come down on Shirley?
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:16 pm
DGator
I mentioned her name a few times but the kool aid drinking demos blamed everything on Bush.
@@
July 27th, 2010
6:18 pm
By the way, your own African people sold your ancestors into slavery.
That’s true.
Know how I found out? Professor Henry Gates of the, now infamous, “Beer Summit” wrote a paper on the history of slavery. Black people were NOT pleased…not pleased AT ALL!
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:18 pm
“That’s true.”
Yep, yet anytime anyone mentions it……….they’re labeled a racist. Gotta love the retardation on the left.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:21 pm
Why the Left Hates Conservatives
Liberals don’t just hate conservatism as an ideology; they hate conservatives as individuals.
Of all the recent revelations to come out of JournoList, an e-mail list consisting of about 400 liberal/left journalists, perhaps the most telling is the depth of their hatred for conservatives. That these journalists would consult with one another in order to protect candidate and then President Obama and in order to hurt Republicans is unfortunate and ugly. What is jolting is the hatred of conservatives on display, as exemplified by the e-mail from a public-radio reporter expressing her wish to personally see Rush Limbaugh die a painful death — and the apparent absence of any objection from her fellow liberal journalists.
Every one of us on the right has seen this hatred. I am not referring to leftist bloggers or to anonymous comments by angry leftists on conservative blogs — such things exist on the right as well — but to mainstream, elite liberal journalists. There is simply nothing analogous among elite conservative journalists. Yes, nearly all conservatives believe that the Left is leading America to ruin. But while there is plenty of conservative anger over this fact, there is little or nothing on the right to match the Left’s hatred of conservative individuals. Would mainstream conservative journalists e-mail one another wishes that they could be present while Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi or Michael Moore died slowly and painfully of a heart attack?
From Karl Marx to today, the Left has always hated people of the Right, not merely differed or been angry with them. The question is, why?
http://article.nationalreview.com/438670/why-the-left-hates-conservatives/dennis-prager
@@
July 27th, 2010
6:23 pm
Grand:
Gotta love the retardation on the left
Since I work with special needs children, I prefer intellectually delayed. My burden to bear. I’ve moved beyond it.
Feel free.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:26 pm
“Since I work with special needs children, I prefer intellectually delayed. My burden to bear. I’ve moved beyond it.”
@@, special needs children have higher IQ’s than those on the left. Not making fun of special needs kids, just left wingers.
@@
July 27th, 2010
6:28 pm
Grand:
Why the Left Hates Conservatives
I read that early this morning. You left out the best part though.
Third, the Left’s utopian vision is prevented only by the Right.
Not true. The left’s utopian vision is prevented by reality.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:30 pm
@@
True, but that doesn’t stop the left from trying. Problem is, they don’t realize their own rules hurt them. It’s like Mass. Remember when they had that law passed that ended up backfiring on them last year?
ole leather head
July 27th, 2010
6:35 pm
Please wake me up when grand fart makes a cogent argument.
@@
July 27th, 2010
6:40 pm
Grands:
Not sure I know the law you’re talking about. Was it the amendment that Ted Kennedy pushed to protect his seat?
fbi profiler
July 27th, 2010
6:40 pm
gforks profile:
MIddle-aged, middle-school drop out with a iq equal to his shoe size. Most likely molests the nighbors collie he’s waiting on his disability checks. Shops at Piggly-Wiggly with his food-stamps. Definitely a virgin with a lust for t.v. dinners and faux news. Patriot.
@@
July 27th, 2010
6:45 pm
fbi:
Well, at least we know where your mind dwells. I think they call that projecting.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:58 pm
“MIddle-aged, middle-school drop out with a iq equal to his shoe size. Most likely molests the nighbors collie he’s waiting on his disability checks. Shops at Piggly-Wiggly with his food-stamps. Definitely a virgin with a lust for t.v. dinners and faux news. Patriot.”
Keep it up, retard. Can’t wait for another left winger to get banned like ole what’s her face.
Oh, and if you’re going to attack someone’s IQ, at least use spell check so your stupidity doesn’t show.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:58 pm
“Well, at least we know where your mind dwells. ”
What mind? I mean, carrots have a higher IQ than that gal.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
6:59 pm
Poor cult followers.
Economy erodes election hope for Democrats
Americans by a large majority believe President Barack Obama has not focused enough on job creation, as economic fears threaten Democrats ahead of November 2 congressional elections, a Reuters-Ipsos poll found on Tuesday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66Q4OO20100727
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
7:01 pm
Quick answer: YES HE CAN!!!!!!!
Will President Obama drag down Senate candidates?
Two years removed from an electoral wave created by President Barack Obama that swept Democrats into wide Congressional majorities, the chief executive’s numbers have faltered badly in a number of contested states — raising concerns that he could be a drag on Democratic candidates this fall.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/white-house/-mo-blunt-48-carnahan.html
MiltonMan
July 27th, 2010
7:57 pm
Where is Granny Gorilla & AmVet on this one??? Nevermind this thread clearly exposes the Democrats & those two only criticize republicans.
@@
July 27th, 2010
8:09 pm
I know where AmVet is. He/she just dropped in over at jay’s to point out that Grand and I were over here exchanging posts.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How dare we…
I’ll have to add him to my list of jay’s gossipy girlz. He MIGHT already be on there…it’s a long list that hangs left.
Grand Bava
July 27th, 2010
8:29 pm
Congratulation Billy. You are 1 tough business man. I just hope I live to see City of Atlanta pay the dues to you.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
9:33 pm
“He/she just dropped in over at jay’s to point out that Grand and I were over here exchanging posts.”
Bedwet is an odd gal. She consistently talks about “leg humping” and there she is, leg humping over on Bookman’s rag. What’s even more pathetic is the fact that Bookman resorts to beating up on Palin and she doesn’t even know who he is. Sort of like the high school loser who trash talks the high school QB.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
9:34 pm
“Where is Granny Gorilla & AmVet on this one?”
Getting ready for their nightly diaper changes by one of the orderlies.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
9:41 pm
@@
Just peeped in over at Bookman’s house of retards and saw where BedWet, who’s a complete coward by the way, was trash talking. Pretty big for a gal who claims to have been in the military. Then again, I seem to remember her saying she only served for 4 years which isn’t saying a whole lot considering the gal didn’t know LA was the abbreviation for Louisiana. What’s even more sad is the gal pretends to be smarter than everyone else but puts her over sized foot in her mouth on a daily basis. Would be nice if she had the balls to come over here and trash talk. Nah, she’s too comfortable around the other left wing retards like Granny.
@@
July 27th, 2010
9:56 pm
Grand:
Just got back from Wooten’s site. Always enjoyed his mellow musings.
Anyhoo, AmVet’s a POW. A Piece of Work for sure.
G’nite.
Grand Forks
July 27th, 2010
10:31 pm
“Anyhoo, AmVet’s a POW.”
I was thinking POS.
patti
July 27th, 2010
11:01 pm
grand,
Stay classy! Your parents must be proud.
Oliver
July 27th, 2010
11:03 pm
patti,
gfraud puts the ass in classy.
Sophie
July 28th, 2010
2:04 am
Atlantans applaud Corey for taking this to the limit and winning what we all knew to be the truth.
Don’t think it is just black politicans, there are whites right in there with them. So many corrupt things continue. Blame our re-elected council members on the finance committee who have turned their heads to these contracts and exposing the fraud on the taxpayers. Every one of them is as guilty for knowing and not responding in a meaningful way. The current Mayor picked a police chief who was NOT on the list of 5 top candidates submitted by a national search team hired with my tax dollars to find the “brightest and best” for Atlanta. The new Chief is an old name…..he showed up on the list because he was Andy Young’s driver, an insider. Continues the”favors” and perpetual cronyism. When will the voters get enough of the stealing, waste and over taxing. When will that day come? The white business clicks are right in there with the black kabals. It is incestual, corrupt, and continues because voters don’t go to the polls and vote the bums out.
Grand Forks
July 28th, 2010
8:34 am
patti
You too, mystery meat. You too.
Grand Forks
July 28th, 2010
8:35 am
“gfraud puts the ass in classy.’
Always amazes me when these “new comers” pop in to throw out an insult or two.
Oliver
July 28th, 2010
9:17 am
gfraud is a easy mark, like a rat scurrying for a piece of cheeze, he blogs as often as he picks his nose…
Port O'John
July 28th, 2010
9:33 am
Kyle — since you don’t live in the city why the hysteria?
Its not going to cost you suburbanites anything. Quit your whining. Sure Bill Campbell and Maynard were corrupt. I think Kasim is too — but they are all small potatoes compared to the good old boys at the Georgia DOT.
Its interesting that you never focus in corruption and incompetence at the state level. The State DOT cannot figure out what happened to hundreds of millions of dollars. “Enron-style” accounting is an understatement.
Or is it that you and your lemmings here only want to talk about democrats (and black democrats at that)? What about your boy Nathan Deal? Now that guy is a corrupt fraud — but he hates gays, so he’s OK?
H.L. Mencken once noted that the voters in Baltimore hated its local democratic politicians for their petty thievery; whle voters in Philadelphia loved their republican politicians who stole “with a steam-shovel.” Americans love a successful big-time thief. Bill Campbell was a petty, small-time loser who got what he deserved (well, not quite, another 5 years in the can for hubris alone would have been nice).
In America today being a partisan hack like Kyle and his lemmings is an IQ test; if you believe in either the democratic or republican parties, you failed.
Kyle Wingfield
July 28th, 2010
9:44 am
We’ve been through this before, Port. I do live in the city, and you aren’t interested in facts that you don’t like.
Grand Forks
July 28th, 2010
9:56 am
“gfraud is a easy mark, like a rat scurrying for a piece of cheeze, he blogs as often as he picks his nose…”
I know who are.
Horrible Horrace
July 28th, 2010
11:17 am
They should rename the airport Manure Jackson Cesspool.
Mayor in this mess too....
July 28th, 2010
2:43 pm
Here is another interesting fact someone should look at. Our current Mayor”s brother has recently went to work for a limo company that has huge contract with the airport. The beat goes on and on !
No More Progressives!
July 31st, 2010
9:03 am
fbi profiler
July 27th, 2010
6:40 pm
You’re brand new to the Acedemy, aren’t you?