McChrystal’s out; now for Obama’s test
Removing outspoken Gen. Stanley McChrystal as commander of the war in Afghanistan, and replacing him with his boss, Gen. David Petraeus, is a quintessential Barack Obama move: It’s an attempt to placate both those people who said McChrystal had to go after Rolling Stone magazine published his disdainful comments about the president’s team and those people who said the war was at too crucial a juncture to make such a change.
The president’s statement that his decision was about neither policy disagreement nor personal insult underscores this sense. If it’s not about p0licy or personalities, why the change? Was the president really already on the cusp of making such a jarring change before the article came out?
By turning to Petraeus, who was McChrystal’s boss at U.S. Central Command and who successfully executed a counterinsurgency (COIN) strategy in Iraq and will now try to continue one in Afghanistan, Obama can argue that he’s keeping as much stability and continuity as possible while closing the book on an often-testy relationship between president and general.
Maybe it will work. For the sake of the soldiers still over there, we should all pray that it does.
I fear, however, that this is the beginning of a Washington consensus that the war has failed and it’s the military’s fault.
Until now, the left has pilloried George Bush for ignoring Afghanistan. The right has gone relatively easy on Obama when it comes to Afghanistan, although there has been plenty of criticism that Obama dallied in settling on a strategy in that war, erred in setting a July 2011 deadline for winding it down, has not been visible as disputes among his various representatives there boiled over (this last bit, not personal attacks on the president and vice president, makes up a large part of what the bulk of the Rolling Stone article actually detailed).
There will be a temptation now, I’m afraid, to blame McChrystal’s loose lips for dooming this war. The magazine article also highlighted discontent with the general among some soldiers in Afghanistan; the COIN strategy would have worked, we’ll hear from some quarters, if McChrystal hadn’t been such a hard head, an egomaniac, an envelope-pusher, a ______.
Never mind that the ultimate goal has been vague, the political support tentative, the attention paid to it (under Obama as well as Bush, by the public as well as politicians) sporadic.
I hope I’m completely wrong about all of this, that Petraeus comes in, kills more bad guys, identifies more good guys and empowers them — and that Obama does what is necessary on his end to ensure Petraeus’s success. Because if my fears come true, that’s when we truly will have landed back in Vietnam.
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Jefferson
June 23rd, 2010
2:21 pm
Bring the troops home.
The Snark
June 23rd, 2010
2:28 pm
Why do you assume that the President’s decision was motivated by the desire to “placate” anyone, or that he’s worried about what he can “argue”? The Rolling Stone interview was not the first time that Gen. McChrystal caused problems in the chain of command — there has been enormous friction between him and his civilian superiors in intelligence and national security (notwithstanding the fact that most of them are former high-ranking military officers.)
By the way, I read the Rolling Stone article and it contains no “attacks on the president,” from the general or any of his staff, and only one feeble joke about the Vice-President’s name from a staff member. Significantly, not a word of criticism of the President or the strategy in Afghanistan (which is largely the general’s own strategy.)
TehranDawg
June 23rd, 2010
2:33 pm
The right has been soft on Obama for the simple fact that he didn’t pull all the troops out of Afghanistan on Day 1 of his presidency. As long as the war is prolonged, repubs will remain in favor of Obama’s war policy. Next year when troops start to leave the region, watch republican support whittle down to nothing.
For all you who will blame Obama for firing the general, how many Generals did Bush replace in Iraq after they disagreed with Rumsfeld’s policies? I count at least 4.
Troglodyke
June 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm
Though I’m hardly a “lefty,” I agree with Jefferson. I almost want to ask, “what’s the worst that could happen if we start bringing them home now, and to hell with peace in the Middle East.” The region is already unstable; we are seen by many as interlopers; “our” brand of democracy is patently untenable in that region. So why do we continue to waste the lives of our citizens for an unwinnable war?
When are OUR budget deficits and other problems at home going to become our first priority? How, exactly, is this war keeping us safe?
As for “classic Obama,” what would you have him do? A general who craps on his leaders cannot remain in power–this is the law of the military. He must be dealt with, so as not to undermine the effort and get more innocent soldiers killed.
If he was stupid enough to say what he did and not think he’d pay for it, then he has no business being in charge.
Shaun
June 23rd, 2010
2:39 pm
Let this be a lesson to all of you. DONT MESS WITH BARRY!
Kyle Wingfield
June 23rd, 2010
2:39 pm
Jefferson and Trog: Absent a clear mission and committed leadership, bringing them home may be the only good course of action.
Orlando
June 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm
He should be dishonorably discharged. If I were to make those type of remarks about my boss’s boss’s boss, I would be in the unemployment line!!!!! Who the heck does this EX GENERAL think he is.
Mr. Holmes
June 23rd, 2010
2:44 pm
Surely, Kyle, you afford better political instincts to Obama than this. Lay an entire war at the feet of one man–one *soldier*, no less? Who is he, Chamberlain on Little Round Top?
We have doomed ourselves to defeat in this war if we classify “victory” as nothing less than the installation of a Western-style government and the total eradication of the Taliban. The Afghans simply aren’t ready as a culture for either one of those.
Does that suck for us? Absolutely. But what’s the alternative? Only one I see is to establish a permanent military presence in Afghanistan. This war is coming up on 10 years and we’re basically a well-coordinated airstrike further along than when we started.
Ask the Russians. They found out the hard way too.
Marilyn
June 23rd, 2010
2:46 pm
We’re already in Vietnam-land! Bring the troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq! And close many of our military bases around the world. With the money saved, we could repair our infrastructure. Kyle, unfortunately, you don’t know, what you don’t know!
Jefferson
June 23rd, 2010
2:47 pm
You can always drop bombs and launch cruise missles when you find the camps of “bad guys”. Boots on the ground — to win what ?
The Snark
June 23rd, 2010
2:53 pm
Roger that, Mr. Holmes.
And while we’re canvassing countries with relevant experience in Afghanistan, you can add Great Britain, Iran, and Pakistan to the list. Ain’t nobody gone in there and come out better.
Victory in Afghanistan for me means only one thing: no safe haven for terrorist training camps.
hotlanta
June 23rd, 2010
2:55 pm
TEST wow why is folks keep talking about Obama being tested as if he is being graded as if he was in school. This is reality stupid this isn’t like this is fake. This is the armed forces we are talking about. First the President was accused of being too soft and not getting tough when it came to the BP crisis. I guess yall forgot about him getting tough with the Republicans at their own meeting on live television concerning his health care. Yall forget about him getting tough with McCain again on live television saying the classic line “the campaign is over we are here to talk about healthcare”. He mad a lot of white folks mad when he talked to a white man like that. My all time favorite was when he chastised the Supreme Court justices on live television on their vote for corporate America having a lot of control during the elections. That is classic Obama. He gets tough on his time and no one else’s. GO OBAMA GO!!!!
Bill
June 23rd, 2010
2:55 pm
Yes, bring the Troops home so we can fight the War on Terror here, at home.
KevinM
June 23rd, 2010
2:56 pm
Simply stated, there’s no win….Obama has a thin-skin for any controversy. All those guys can come on home….Obama not interested in getting a solution…he doesn’t know how.
Stop It
June 23rd, 2010
2:57 pm
Did he not turn in his resignation? Apaprently he did not want to be there. Some people are making this out to be more than what it is. No matter if you are to the left and right, NO one should disresepct the commander in chief-PERIOD !
Just Another Female Vet
June 23rd, 2010
2:58 pm
Bring our men and women home now. In the time that we’ve been there, the mooney we’ve spent could have rebuilt, from the ground up, the entire Afghan region…tenfold. We spend 1 million dollars/day for each troop over there. That is sheer and utter nonsense when the Afghan GDP is less than 20 Billion per year.
Ever wonder why our media NEVER lets us see or hear from the ‘average’ Afghan man or woman on the street? I’ll bet it’s because the overwhelming majority of them would tell our military to stop spending 1 Billion dollars per day on a war that’s NOT benefitting them (and that’s NOT making us safer in the US) and instead use it to build schools, infrastructure (i.e. fresh water facilities, in-door plumbing, telecommunications), enhance thier ability to grow food, etc? Can we even fathom the positive impact we’d receive from the general population with such a humanitarian, commen-sense change in focus? We would be able to completely leave the country better than we found it. At this moment, what do we have to show for a war that is already longer than our invasion of Vietnam?
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
3:04 pm
KW:
Wasn’t the course of action taken in Afgahnistan Patraeus’ and McChrystal’s idea to begin with?
Didn’t Obama acquiesce to their recommendations and strategies?
He was measured in his decision process, thought it through and went with what his generals were telling him?
HOW do you find fault in the President here?
I suspect McChrystal saw the writing on the wall:
that this was a no win scenario, so in light of his inevitable relief from duty he might as well launch a preemptive strike and hope for a Republican political future!
jconservative
June 23rd, 2010
3:05 pm
Obama made the only decision possible. Getting rid of McChrystal was crtical to the future of the US military.
Now Afghanistan. Bush correctly sent troops to Afghan on a mission to get Osama bin Laden. That mission failed completely. The troops should have been out before the end of 2002. They were not and Bush does take the blame for that.
And what happens then in Afghan? Mission creep.
Going forward the question is how do we prevent future mission creeps?
Whatever happened to “clearly defined mission”?
Real American
June 23rd, 2010
3:07 pm
Poor Kyle….LMAO….you actually got an ulcer over seeing Petraeus standing behind the President didn’t you? LMAO
blkshepherd-Vet
June 23rd, 2010
3:07 pm
As a former military soldier I cant help but ponder why would the general even say such things when He had to have known the fall out that surely came behind it. I am a fed government worker working for a government agency led by a director. How would it look to our clients if I trashed My Director? Well I wouldnt be in my position for very long. Yes they do fire federal government employees..Its Not ALL that hard if they REALLY want you out. Apparently this general spoke his mind because HE REALLY WANTED OUT! Its MESS over there and He saw it first hand. So thats why he spoke his mind. Maybe a little tacky and un becoming of a senior officer but..as I stated. this guy WANTED OUT. Rather than quit, he put his self in a position that would force him to be replaced..hes happy now I bet. Like I said..its a mess over there..I would want OUT TO.
joe
June 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm
Thank the Good Lord Above that Jefferson isn’t one of our military. If he was, we’d be speaking German…or have turned into France.
blkshepherd-Vet
June 23rd, 2010
3:10 pm
correction should read I would want out TOO. not To..oh whatever, You get my point!
You know it's true
June 23rd, 2010
3:12 pm
Hey wingnut, I bet you had two articles prepared. You were going to criticize Obama whatever he did. You have no credibility as a journalist.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
3:16 pm
If you believe the General should be fired for disrespecting the Commander and Chief, then Obama should be fired for all the times he has disrespected our country and Constitution.
Road Scholar
June 23rd, 2010
3:19 pm
So Kyle, what was the President to do? McChrystal violated his oath to the country under military rules of conduct. If he let him get away with it, how would the troops, and his inner ring, acted?
While not in the military, I’ve worked for many who not only served but led. The one thing they said over and over was” We can disagree; we do not disagree in public.” We never disagreed in front of our “troops”.
So back to my question, what would you have done?
Change is good
June 23rd, 2010
3:20 pm
Well said Hotlanta! Go Obama Go!!
atlshirt.com
June 23rd, 2010
3:21 pm
NO one should disresepct the commander in chief-PERIOD !
I bet you disrespected the last Commander in Chief ??
sb
June 23rd, 2010
3:22 pm
@You know it’s true:
I Agree, his credibility is shot as a journalist. Please make room for some fresh conservative blood on this blog.
Sgt Barnes
June 23rd, 2010
3:22 pm
None of yall know nothing bout the Nam.
Dont mean nothing, brother.
Not a thang.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
3:25 pm
BLK ShepVet, It’s a bigger mess here,the housing market drops 33% IN ONE MONTH to a all time historic low. The Federal Reserve makes a $2,000,000,000,000 ( two Trillion ) loan to an undisclosed entity and will not divulge who or what it is. Please don’t expect “Black Bart” ( as in Bart Simpson,”I didn’t do it, nobody saw me do it, you can’t prove anything”)to come forward and say that it was his half baked B.S. policy that is rapidly killing our country.
Sick of Dems
June 23rd, 2010
3:26 pm
You go Big D- Obama has disrespected the United States many times but I don’t see all the left wingers calling for his resignation. Just another in a long line of Obama showing his true colors and lack of leadership….Oh by the way Obama good job letting BP take the cap of the well.. Idiot
retiredds
June 23rd, 2010
3:27 pm
There is no hope in my reply to you Kyle, Obama, in spite of the right (and mostly wrong) is making the right move. Too bad you and your party just don’t get it.
ArtVandelay
June 23rd, 2010
3:28 pm
hahahaha Kyle your destroy your own argument by finding fault with Obama here. The man LISTENED to a different point of view, saw the light, and changed course (something Bush would have never done). Even when the man agrees with your position somehow he’s at fault for not believing “enough” or not working hard “enough” for a goal his critics even believe in. Unbelievable…just call your column, “I don’t like obama and will never…NEVER agree with anything he does even if I am a proponent of said action…” and save we readers some time
joan1
June 23rd, 2010
3:29 pm
I disrespect Obama too. And I am not out there watching brave young men be blown up by sneaky suicide and car bombers. And I am not there watching us try to win over hearts and minds of a barbarous people who have never been, and will never be, tamed and submissive to a democratic form of government. And it seems like for the last couple of years we have become less Democratic ourselves, and much more autocratic, and dictatorial (Obama!)
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
3:31 pm
Analogy: Electing “Little Barry Sotero Obama” president is like hiring a Chicago cabby to fly a 747 just because he knew Cook county really well, he’s either in over his head or he really hates this country. If you voted for this Idiot you’re and IDIOT.
VotersOfNY
June 23rd, 2010
3:38 pm
I wonder whose fault this is, Bush maybe? What a clown this Obumbler guy is. Dumb as a box of hammers.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
3:38 pm
Sick of Dems:
“Oh by the way Obama good job letting BP take the cap of the well.. Idiot”
BP wouldn’t have to be trying techniques never tried before if they had drilled a relief well like they have everywhere else!
Kyle Wingfield
June 23rd, 2010
3:40 pm
I see no one has made it past the first paragraph…
Like I said yesterday, this is a mess Obama definitely didn’t need on top of everything else going on. Like I said yesterday, it’s tough to argue for keeping McChrystal in command.
The only person who could have made a good argument for doing so, in fact, was Obama himself. I disagree with those who said (before his decision) that keeping McChrystal would make Obama look weak. I think the opposite would have been true.
That’s not to say Obama somehow looks “weak” now. But all of this makes the mission in Afghanistan harder, not easier, to complete. Petraeus is a brilliant general, but can he really run Afghanistan at the ground level, as McChrystal did (and Petraeus did in Iraq), and keep things together in Iraq? As I said, I hope he can — but it’s far from clear.
Obama was going to catch flak here no matter what. What I hope does not happen now is for Washington to answer McChrystal’s finger-pointing by turning around and blaming our soldiers in Afghanistan for a morass that’s ultimately of politicians’ making.
VotersOfNY
June 23rd, 2010
3:41 pm
Just read Big D’s post. How true it is. These dopey fools that voted for him are getting what they deserve. Only thing, we’re getting it too.
You know what D? These fools will probably reelect the Dems come November. They are so stupid they can’t see what’s coming until it hits them between the eyes.
Orlando
June 23rd, 2010
3:41 pm
Big D, you are a big D%*k
JF McNamara
June 23rd, 2010
3:42 pm
He should’ve ended this on day one. I’m don’t think he “erred” in the deadline. Hopefully, he gets out on that date regardless. We aren’t winning, and its unlikely that we do win. Let’s literally declare victory on that date and move on. As long as we can still get the terrorist that are there, who cares who is in charge.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
3:42 pm
Joan, well said.
RTDD, There is a reason it’s called the “right” why don’t we just call Democrats the “wrong”.
Just keep whistling past the grave yard until November. WE will neuter this mutt dog.
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
3:44 pm
And Mr/Mrs VotersofNY…..you think things were so much better under W? You were probably one of the idiots who reelected him…..Are you allergic to original ideas? Must be as W never had one
Rockerbabe
June 23rd, 2010
3:44 pm
I wish General McChrystal all the best in his much deserved and earned retirement. He has done more than his fair share to protect and defend his country and its citizens.
Dusty
June 23rd, 2010
3:44 pm
There is nothing here that can be blamed on the total “body” of our military. They are over there fighting and dying for us. No matter that one commander broke some rules about speech. The rest of our armed forces are still there laying their lives on the line.
If you think that mealy mouth excuse Obama gave for dismissing a top commander made Obama look strong, it did not. He him looked like a wimp dismissing a warrior when the action was not going well. Falling back on Petraeus was just Obama loading all responsibility back on someone other than himself when he doesn’t have a clue..
I feel sorry for Petraeus. He was successful in Iraq when he had a leader backing him. Now Petraeus will have only never trained and never served Obama. Petraeus will have to carry out bad policies that don’t work and whisper sweetly into Obama’s ear at the same time. It is an impossible task for one with integrity. McChrystal proved that.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
3:44 pm
Orlando, if you voted for this pitiful excuse of a president your opinion of me is a badge of honor.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
3:45 pm
Orlando, P.S. How do you think I got the Nickname.
Troglodyke
June 23rd, 2010
3:49 pm
Thank the Good Lord Above that Jefferson isn’t one of our military. If he was, we’d be speaking German…or have turned into France
Um, we aren’t talking about WWII. You are absolutely correct that IN THAT CONFLICT, we were right to be there, and the outcome was largely as it was because of our military.
But this is a different war, and a different time. And if you can’t see that, you are not really looking. The war we are in now in NO WAY resembles WWII.
somewhereinga
June 23rd, 2010
3:49 pm
Kyle..”If it’s not about p0licy or personalities, why the change?” .
Perhaps you should read your own newspaper. It reports the reason as Obama stated that the remarks “undermines the civilian control of the military that is at the core of our democratic system.”
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
3:50 pm
Joan 1, you are clearly drinking the kool aid of the Republicans! Are you such a moronse that you do not remember W saying that Americans were either with him or against America???? That sounds like a dictator to me
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
3:50 pm
KW:
“. . . a morass that’s ultimately of politicians’ making.”
The morass of which you speak was recommended to the COC by the two generals that are the subjects of your piece!
HOW is that “. . of politicians’ making[?]“
Troglodyke
June 23rd, 2010
3:53 pm
I Agree, his credibility is shot as a journalist. Please make room for some fresh conservative blood on this blog.
You are just mad because Kyle isn’t a foaming-at-the-mouth-mouth-breather-Republican, spouting “kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out” soundbytes.
He actually has intelligent points to make in a country where the majority of people are neither “all Democrat” or “all Republican.” I wish more Republicans (and Democrats) had the guts to stop toeing the party line and think for themselves.
somewhereinga
June 23rd, 2010
3:55 pm
Dusty there are some words I am thinking about when I think of you but the only ones that I can print are sleazy and dispicable. Come to think of it, those two describe you pretty well!
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
3:55 pm
“. . .much more autocratic, and dictatorial (Obama!)”
What, exactly, do you call the largest expansion of executive powers and the most significant abridgement and invasion of personal freedoms and privacy in recent history?
Benign complacency?
Big D's Proctologist
June 23rd, 2010
3:56 pm
Big D, take your small p&nis and small brain and go home to your rented trailer park. For you to refer to the President as a “mutt”, just goes to show that your “opinion” has nothing to do with policy, politics, etc., but everything to do with his race. He’s better off being of mixed race, than of inbred genetics, as you appear to be. You’re talking about the housing market that declined 33 percent in one month, how ’bout with we talk about the entire WORLD’S FINANCIAL MARKET CAP THAT DECLINED 45% under your good buddy, Bumbling Bush. You have every right to have your own political opinion, but when you start talking about someone as a “mutt”, you show that you don’t have the chops to engage in any sort of intellectual discussion to begin with. Good day.
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
3:58 pm
Hey Dusty………you are way off base……go around your office and start saying bad things about your boss, and their bosses, and see how it turns out.
Perhaps if Bush did his job on either WAR, we would be finished by now…… Perhaps if he didn’t give Bin laden terrorist protection, we would be done now.
Jefferson
June 23rd, 2010
4:00 pm
Joe – Apples and Oranges. No comparison, Germany declared war on the US, you know a country — so what country are we fighting?
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:00 pm
Well one thing is for sure, there is no way that McChrystal will retire, take his pension, and sign a contract with Fox News to appear on O’Reilly every night to discuss the president’s strategical prowess. Chauncey is too smart to humiliate another strategic genius if there is any chance of vengeance, right?
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:01 pm
Sorry.
Joan1:
“. . .much more autocratic, and dictatorial (Obama!)”
What, exactly, do you call the Cheney administration’s largest expansion of executive powers and the most significant abridgement and invasion of personal freedoms and privacy in recent history?
Benign complacency?
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:03 pm
Stan, as much as i disliked many of the policies of Bush and the GOP controlled Congress I have no problem in seeing a crystal clear difference in the two on the issue of which has dreams of being dictator. Example: I will create a civilian militia type police force stronger than our military…Barry Obama. If you use you noggin you just may think of another ” Messiah” that actually did this. Why don’t you comment on how well that worked out.
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
4:03 pm
HA HA HA …..joan1…….The Dictator’s were Bush with Cheney giving Cost plus contracts to his buddies bilking the American Treasury.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:04 pm
Dear Dusty @ 3:44, surely you are not arguing that Chauncey’s decided his ego was more important than having the best guerrilla-fighter running the US forces in Afghanistan? Oh, and thanks for your nice note the other day about the Lieutenant, now somewhere south or east of the Red Sea.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:08 pm
BDP, you obviously have not read many of my posts, I am of “mixed” blood as well as my God children. I have graduate degree from UAB and a Post graduate degree from GT. I live in a 10,000 sq. Ft. house and enjoy the hell out pissing you idiots off.
ArtVandelay
June 23rd, 2010
4:10 pm
Come on Kyle…we read what you said in its entirety…
I hope I’m wrong BUT this is a queintessential Obama move of trying to make everybody happy. GASP! What an idiot…a man who isn’t so staunchly liberal or conservative as to make measured decisions that he feels are in the best interest of the majority. IMPEACH HIM…we can’t actually have a reasonable person in office…that’s just unamerican. How is it wrong for a guy to try and do what’s right for the country at large idealouge’s on both sides be danged?
Never mind the fact the good general has a history of insubordination, you actually bump up against the idea that obama maybe, possibly, should have kept the guy. Even though he’d be justified to let him go. Even in your rebuttal you say that it wouldn’t make him look “weak” to keep Mchrystal. Newsflash Kyle that bleeding heart bigger person crap only works that way in TV movies, not US politics. Nobody…NOBODY is irreplaceable I don’t care if he was jack Bauer taking out the Taliban single-handedly, he had to go and if he didn’t Obama would have suffered mightily politically and domestically.
As to whether Obama will allow Mchrystal to be a scapegoat to scale this back…no way, with Mchrystal leaving its his war more than ever. He HAS do what he said he would now.
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:12 pm
Little D,
W spent 8 years punishing people who disagreed with him….do you remeber Valerie Plame? Her husband was critical of W and Libby leaked her to the Washington Post her being an undercover CIA Op? How about you use your noggin….sounds like a my way or the highway role of a dictator punishing someone for having his own opinion
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
4:12 pm
McChrystal, like General Douglas MacArthur before him, disagreed with the way a war was being prosecuted and said so in a most public manner. Truman fired MacArthur and Obama fired McChrystal and both were justified. A general is still a soldier who takes orders from the President who is Commander-in-Chief of United States Armed Forces. I served in vietnam, in the USMC, and, though I did not believe the war to be just, I carried out my orders as they came down through the chain of command. Mine was not to reason why. Mine was to do or die. I did!
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:13 pm
Big D:
” . . civilian militia type police force stronger than our military”
WHAT are YOU smokin’?
WTF are you mummbling about here?
Is this some sort of conspiricy theory you have?
Do you also think the Obama administration put a computer chip in your head so they could read your thoughts and dictate your actions?
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:15 pm
Dear Kyle, I think you err in your statement on management theory. A smart leader figures out how to use even his most controversial talents. Thus, when Eisenhower had a gifted senior general who found controversy, he continued to use the genius, first as decoy for the Normandy D-Day, then as the power drive through France. When Ronaldus Magnus suffered a loose-lipped although brilliant budget director, he found a way to rein in the excess and retain the talent. Chauncey lacks basic management skills.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:16 pm
Dear Stan, So many comedians out of work and “you trying to be funny”.
Do you know the one about the burnt out light bulb.
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
4:17 pm
Hey Marilyn ….we fight around the world to protect American interests period…….. those interests oil, and greed.
There was never a reason to go to Iraq, but Saddam would not let the Rich oil companies of the world bid on the oil there, so we went. Now oil companies have contracts there…..the real reason for the war.
In Afghanistan, we spent hundreds of millions on weapons given to rebels while the Russians were there to help free that country, then after the Russian’s left, we turned our backs on them. They were the youngest population without an education…… now ignorance is not bliss……..
Bin Laden’s merry men are taking over, and because we went to war in Iraq, instead of getting Bin Laden…….we are paying the cost yet again.
But Hey if we don’t use the bombs…..how can we rationalize the reason to build an buy more from the War machine the USA has created ?
Republican’s like WAR and the Killing……why…good for the economy ! Go to Church on Sunday, and pray for War on Monday…..SO Christian !
Small brain’s cannot comprehend spending money at home on peace time infrastructure. Why……..you can’t bilk the treasury this way and give your buddies Cost plus contracts.
TehranDawg
June 23rd, 2010
4:17 pm
@ Dusty- Bush? A leader? HAHAHA.
The same ‘leader’ who had bin Laden and let him escape? If it wasn’t for this ‘leader’s’ incompetence, the troops would be back at Ft. Stewart enjoying this scorcher of a summer. Get Real. Bush’s daddy had to come to the rescue and save him.
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:19 pm
Sure, I know that joke…..how many Republicans does it take to pull a burnt out lightbulb from LITTLE D’s butt?….None….Little D won’t let you take it out
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:20 pm
Dear Algonquin @ 4:12, you err: “McChrystal, like General Douglas MacArthur before him, disagreed with the way a war was being prosecuted and said so in a most public manner.” Quite the contrary, the Obama administration is running the war plan developed by McChrystal, although they are, in the conventional manner of democrats, starving the effort to attempt to ensure failure. No, McChrystal’s sin was having a staff that accurately notes the character of the civilian leadership, which in the current language is called a “diss,” which I infer is an contraction for “disrespect.”
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:20 pm
Last Word, you misinformed IDIOT, those were Obama’s own words Go to the American thinker 6/23 today if you want to read what the then junior senator said.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:21 pm
Stan, do you know the one about the goat….I got yours.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:23 pm
Stan, you seem to like this sexual ” in your endo” stuff…got a little problem you want to share.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:25 pm
Dear Stan @ 4:12, your post is false. You should correct the record.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:25 pm
Peter:
Hear, hear.
Ours is a war-based economy.
Why else do you think Reagan invaded anybody he could (Grenada, Panama)?
To fund the military industrial complex, that’s why!
Oh, and for the record, Ronny also nearly spent us into oblivion trying to put the USSR out of business.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:27 pm
Dear Last Word @ 4:25, perhaps we can agree that Chauncey has spent us into oblivion trying to put the US out of business?
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:27 pm
Ragnur,
Have you not picked up a newspaper? Libby served a little time for that….he would be the fall guy
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:29 pm
I meant Ragnar, not Ragnur…no disrespect meant
Mr. Ed
June 23rd, 2010
4:30 pm
Bush always claimed he “listens to the Generals.”
But fired anyone who dared to disagree:
Admiral William J. Fallon – complained of “constant drumbeat of conflict” against Iran
Gen. George Casey, – opposed “the bush Surge”
Gen. Eric Shinseki – said bush administration had underestimated the number of troops needed Iraq.
General Jay Garner – wanted free elections in Iraq and not privatization.
General Anthony Zinni – said Iraq “could be a prolonged, difficult aftermath to a war”
Gen. Eric Shinseki – said that the occupation (Iraq) could require “several hundred thousand troops.”
General John Abizaid – Said in Iraq “the sectarian violence is getting worse” in 2006
Had CBS fire Major General Batiste for saying Bush was headed in wrong direction in Iraq.
White House Adviser Dr. Larry Lindsey was fired when he told a newspaper that an “Iraq war could cost $200 billion.”
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:31 pm
R.D., these yayhoos don’t care about the accuracy of there statements….they just blurt out anything like their POTUS.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:31 pm
BigD:
A California-based internet blog?
THAT’S your “source?”
IT’S NOTHING MORE THAN OPINION AND CONJECTURE (much like Faux News)!
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:33 pm
And Little D is the epitome of accurate statements…..you were probably one of those fools that believed WMDs actually were in Iraq
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:34 pm
Dear Stan @ various, no disrespect inferred, but you err. The “tipper” was Collin Powell’s aide Richard Armitage, and the “tippee” was Robert Novak. Scooter Libby was convicted of giving different testimony to the FBI than did a reporter.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:36 pm
Mr Ed:
Classic!
BTW:
Are you still hung like a . . . . ?
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:38 pm
Last Word, please tell me you if you read the good Barry’s comments on 6/20/08.
” We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded”. If you were in the military and you read that would you want to follow this rubes lead.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:38 pm
RD;
And Scooter did time taking the fall for those higher up (Darth Veeper, for example)!
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:38 pm
Ragnar,
Actually you err, Below is an excerpt from the NY Times, which I do believe carry more weight than you do
Libby “resigned October 28, 2005, after being indicted on five counts which included obstruction of justice, making false statements and perjury. He was later convicted on four of the five counts, and sentenced to thirty months in prison on June 5, 2007.[1]
The indictments resulted from a grand jury investigation which began October 31, 2003, into the leaking of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame’s name. Department of Justice Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald and FBI “investigators have been trying to determine whether Libby or any other administration officials knowingly revealed” Plame’s identity or “about their involvement to investigators. Plame’s husband, Joseph Wilson, is a diplomat and an opponent of the Iraq war who challenged U.S. President George W. Bush’s assertion that Saddam Hussein was in possession of nuclear materials.”
somewhereinga
June 23rd, 2010
4:40 pm
Dusty:”I feel sorry for Petraeus. He was successful in Iraq when he had a leader backing him. Now Petraeus will have only never trained and never served Obama. Petraeus will have to carry out bad policies that don’t work and whisper sweetly into Obama’s ear at the same time. It is an impossible task for one with integrity. McChrystal proved that.”
Obviously you don’t have a clue about the military. Before you run your mouth, learn a little.
In your post: “Now Petraeus will have only never trained and never served Obama.” Who do you think Petraeus’ Commander in Chief is and has been for the last 18 months? (Clue: It’s not Bush.)
In your post: “Petraeus will have to carry out bad policies that don’t work and whisper sweetly into Obama’s ear at the same time. It is an impossible task for one with integrity. McChrystal proved that.” In FACT, it was McChrystal that CREATED the strategy in Afghanastan. If it was “bad policy”, then it was HIS bad policy.
In your post: “It is an impossible task for one with integrity. McChrystal proved that.” McChrystal proved he didn’t have any integrity when he bad mouthed his Commander in Chief and he permitted his officers under his command to do it. They should all be court marshalled! Immediately! If you have a problem with your Commander, you take it to YOUR COMMANDER, not the paper.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:40 pm
Big D:
Please tell me your sources of information are not limited to a blog and the Fox Propaganda Channel.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:41 pm
Stan, Stan, Stan, must you keep putting you foot in your mouth. Please refer to your Good buddy W.J. Clinton’s remarks about why he bombed Iraq himself…clue..WMD’s are there. Do some home before you look any worse.
Churchill's MOM
June 23rd, 2010
4:41 pm
Ragnar hope your son is doing well.
Everything I read about the war is that McChrystal’s plan was not working. The troops were mad because they could not kill the enemy, the people of Afghanistan were mad because their government is hopelessly corrupt and most people I know think we are loosing. Bottom line it was time for a change of management or for us to bring our troops home. My father fought in Viet Nam and he thinks it is time for us to throw in the towel.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:41 pm
Dear Kyle, following up my 4:15, I once heard a great – admittedly apocryphal – story on George W., on his first day at the White House. The chef asked the new president what he wished for lunch, and W said, “a cheeseburger.”
Chef: “We don’t have cheeseburgers. Perhaps you would wish something more appropriate to your station?”
W: “George W. Bush. President. Cheesburger.”
He got the cheeseburger.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:42 pm
Last Word, please go to Reuters or any place you wish and you will see the dope said it.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:44 pm
Big D:
It’s Iran that has WMD’s, not Iraq.
I-R-A-N!
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:45 pm
Little D,
And if your neighbor jumped off a cliff….would you also? How about you come up with an original thought…..instead of saying….your guy said there were WMDs…so my guy can say it….How many American soldiers did when Clinton bombed Iraq???? And how many 000’s have perished because of W’s decision…not even close….why do I feel like I am arguing with someone who can only quote fox new?
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:46 pm
RD:
“W” WAS a cheeseburger!
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:46 pm
Little D,
you are just angry that your president was so freaking dumb…and bad….that America actually got pissed off at him enough to elect an African American president…something that I did not think I would see in my lifetime
Jefferson
June 23rd, 2010
4:47 pm
Tic tac toe
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:48 pm
Dear Stan @ 4:38, with all due respect the NYT extract does not affirm “Libby leaked her to the Washington Post her being an undercover CIA Op” which was your earlier libel. No, he was convicted of giving a different story to the FBI than did Tim Russert.
Dear Mom @ 4:41, thanks, my son affirms he is having a great time, that he was born to do his job. I mostly agree with your post except to the extent you affirm that it is McChrystal’s plan that is “not working.” McChrystal told Chauncey last summer he need 50% more troops than the Great Ditherer was willing to give him; the more accurate representation is that Chauncey’s halfassed support for McChrystal’s plan is having a measurable effect. However, given that lack of support, you may be right, and it may be time to give it up, or perhaps to turn the high desert into glass.
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm
Raggie, you are the one who is mistaken. Both generals had the temerity and unmitigated gall to assume they could insult, question, denigrate and humiliate the president of the United States. It’s not going to happen! Stan is of questionable character and that was known before he got drunk and ran off to rolling Stone. He was involved in covering up how Pat Tillman really died and he was connected to the abuse of detainees in Afghanistan. The fool, like MacArthur, thought himself to be above his Commander-in Chief and he damn sure isn’t!
Will
June 23rd, 2010
4:51 pm
Other than republican newspaper writers and republican radio and tv entertainers whose only priority is to disagree with the President, I am grateful that even most republican politicians seem to understand the importance of the Change of Command in the military and understand that the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. It is never in the best interest of the country for military leaders to question the leadership of the Commander in Chief.
The military is not a democracy nor a popularity contest. There must be obedience to the Chain of Command.
May I share a story from my military career. In 1972, one of the officers in my Company at Fort Jackson, SC had an “Impeach Nixon” sticker on his car. He was told to remove the sticker and most in the office disagreed with this. The commanding officer explained that President Nixon was also Commander in Chief Nixon and, regardless of anyone’s feelings about the political Nixon, there could be no disagreement with the Commander in Chief Nixon.
Stan
June 23rd, 2010
4:51 pm
And Ragnar…you honestly think he did not? People say that OJ did kill his wife even though he was found not guilty….yet 90% of Americans accuse him of the crime….are you the libel police in that situation….I would be surprised if you had the guts to admit it
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
4:53 pm
turn the high desert into glass.
Our cars won’t run on glass!
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
4:55 pm
Dear Stan @ various times, I always thought the funniest element of the whole Plame affair was that Joseph Wilson’s sloppy report – disclaiming any evidence of Iraqi shopping for “yellowcake” in Niger -actually confirmed that Iraq was shopping for yellowcake. He verified, with the President of Niger, that Iraq was on a trade mission to Niger, but wrote that the Niger President affirmed that the Iraqis were not shopping for yellowcake. Every rational CIA analyst then looked up Niger’s exports, and discovered that Niger exports nothing else.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
4:56 pm
Stan:
“. . . America actually got pissed off at him enough to elect an African American president . . .”
Careful there, son, you are treading on thin ice.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
4:57 pm
Last word, Stan, it must be painful to be so uninformed and blind. Clinton bombed IRAQ and then made the statement that there were WMD there as one of the reasons he bombed them. Is that clear enough or do I have to find you a source that you find acceptable for a liberal to read.
Last Word
June 23rd, 2010
5:01 pm
Big D:
Clinton bombed Iraq after Bush41 left the Kurds swinging in the wind after his contribution to the military industrial complex (does anyone see a pattern here?) and Saddam used chemical weapons on innocent women & children.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
June 23rd, 2010
5:03 pm
Dear Stan @ 4:51, now that we have swerved into another side issue, I’ll have to admit that I am the only person in the country who watched nothing of the OJ coverage, but I subsequently heard a great and plausible theory explaining the motive of another. I laid it out on Wooten’s blog three years ago, and of course all of the leftists railed against me for affirming the possibility that OJ really was innocent (mostly as the theory is rooted in the theory that the homosexual waiter was the real target, of a male lover’s rage.)
Dear Algonquin @ 4:40, perhaps we can agree to avoid “denigrate” when discussing the current regime – “disparage” serves the same purpose without the potentially offensive root. Of course, there was no such disparagement by McChrystal in the Rolling Stone article. He expressed disagreement with Holbrooke – and an aide added a comment about the nature of the communique – and he acknowledged past disagreement with the vice president. Hardly the stuff of “insult” or “humiliation” of the President, except to the extent that Chauncey’s runaway ego may be asserting, “love me, love my dog.”
John
June 23rd, 2010
5:04 pm
Mr. Obama is President of the United States, his “test” started the day he was elected and will end when he leaves office.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
5:05 pm
LW, I don’t know enough about the Kurd situation to comment, but Clinton bombed Iraq in response to other things Saddam did. He is the one who coined the term for them.
Big D
June 23rd, 2010
5:07 pm
LW, it was called “operation desert fox” read about it. P.S. we brought the stored “yellow cake” back to Canada…AAMOF.
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
5:09 pm
Little D,
you are just angry that your president was so freaking dumb…and bad….that America actually got pissed off at him enough to elect an African American president…something that I did not think I would see in my lifetime.
I support President Obama completely and I think he’s doing a great job, especially, when you consider the utter mess left behind by his dullard predecessor. Sadly though, you’re correct about the color aspect of things. The Republinazis have called him liberal, socialist, communist, foreign by birth and so many other things. They haven’t the guts to call him what they really want to!
America
June 23rd, 2010
5:10 pm
The anointed one: “Now is the time for all of us to come together.”
America to POTUS: Yeah, like you and your lackeys have been engaged in that so far. We’ve got some news for you: we are coming together. You’ll get the full memo in November. You have our word on it. We saw Biden standing at the podium. Did say, “This is f_ _ king huge?” Oh, BTW, we caught Rahm lying. His lips were moving. Fire him too.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
5:15 pm
Obama’s tests:
Economy: Failed
Oil Spill: Failed
Gitmo: Failed
Debt: Failed
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
5:18 pm
Ragghead, it wasn’t just the general who was quoted. His minions denigrated the President, Vice-President and others, as did the fired general. The general has freedom of speech as we all do but like the rest of us, that freedom ends when you say too much.
Dear Algonquin @ 4:40, perhaps we can agree to avoid “denigrate” when discussing the current regime – “disparage” serves the same purpose without the potentially offensive root.
Your reference to the “N” word is not lost on me. Now we’re getting to the real reason you despise the president of the United States!
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
5:18 pm
“you are just angry that your president was so freaking dumb”
Yes, Obama is dumb.
“I support President Obama completely and I think he’s doing a great job”
You are in the minority, ma’am.
“The Republinazis have called him liberal, socialist, communist, foreign by birth and so many other things.”
Not one Republican has killed a Jew.
“They haven’t the guts to call him what they really want to!”
I do
Obama is: Stupid, naive, childish, inexperienced, goofy, child-like, buffoonish, unpopular…….
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
5:19 pm
“Ragghead”
Funny, left wing retards were calling Republicans racist in SC for calling Halley a raghead and here we have a left wing retard calling someone a raghead.
Stupid describes Cowhoun to a T.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
5:20 pm
“Your reference to the “N” word is not lost on me.”
No one referenced the N word but you, ma’am.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
5:22 pm
“Careful there, son, you are treading on thin ice.”
Oh no, a left winger is sending out a warning! Oh, she may call you a racist or a nazi.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
5:25 pm
Jindal 1 Obama 0
Obama, Jindal and True Leadership
Then again, Obama’s experience in administering anything is nil. He says he managed his campaign, but presidential candidates do not manage their campaigns except perhaps to say “yes” or “no” occasionally. Otherwise, he was a community organizer, a part-time lawyer, a university lecturer, a state senator and a U.S. senator who chiefly ran for president while holding that office.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/23/obama_jindal_and_true_leadership_106068.html
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
5:39 pm
gosh this guy…….”Obama has the IQ of dung”……say something of meaning……anything please………show some semblance of intelligence !
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
5:44 pm
“say something of meaning……anything please………show some semblance of intelligence !”
Ok, sucks to be you. There, that was easy.
John
June 23rd, 2010
5:54 pm
ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
That’s why McChrystal is no longer in charge.
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
5:57 pm
Hey Obama has the IQ of dung ……… do you ever go to church on Sunday’s, or are you typically too hung over for that ?
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
6:02 pm
Gee John, that was easy…..now can Kyle and the rest of the Republican’s here get it ?
Kyle Wingfield
June 23rd, 2010
6:12 pm
“…shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
When was the court-martial held? And what was the verdict/sentence?
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
6:16 pm
Kyle………. do you want a Court Martial as well…..and not just let it go as it is ?
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
6:20 pm
“do you ever go to church on Sunday’s, or are you typically too hung over for that ?”
Peter, interesting. You’re named after someone who denied Christ 3 times.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
6:21 pm
Peter……do you always ask asinine questions?
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
6:22 pm
Hey Obama has the IQ of dung….can’t answer the simple question ?
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
6:25 pm
“can’t answer the simple question ?”
I don’t answer questions from people who act like Pharisees.
joan1
June 23rd, 2010
6:29 pm
Hey you Bush bashers. Get with the drill. it is now almost two years later. Aren’t you every going to require little Barry to stand up and take it like a man? I have no brief for Bush either, but he wasn’t taking us down the road to socialism, granting amnesty, forcing healthcare “deform” up out bums, burning through money like there was no tomorrow. We are multiples in debt now from where we were at the end of the Bush era. All on your buddy Obama’s head.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
6:30 pm
“do you ever go to church on Sunday’s, or are you typically too hung over for that ?”
I’m guessing that you’re Catholic.
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
6:30 pm
Dung, you have an IQ of 2 below plant life. You are a complete moron Republinazi. Please don’t further foul the gene pool you idiot.
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
6:31 pm
HA HA HA joan1…..funny stuff …….. the country implodes, and you want the quick fix, and forget who got us there ?
Peter
June 23rd, 2010
6:33 pm
OK….Obama has the IQ of dung……too hung over….. never learned much about being a Christian is evident.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
6:36 pm
“Dung, you have an IQ of 2 below plant life.”
Nice comeback Kathy Griffin.
“You are a complete moron Republinazi.”
And you’re a DNCklanner, retard.
“Please don’t further foul the gene pool you idiot.”
Whatever you say you inbred trailer trash troglodyte.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
6:38 pm
“too hung over….. never learned much about being a Christian is evident.”
Hypocrite much?
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
6:46 pm
Kyle, the poster was referring to the military code of justice and he’s correct in that the general could have been charged under that article. However, the president chose to fire him and be done with it. Insubordination is not tolerated in the military. It results in punishment of one sort or another. For the general it was losing his command.
Sandra
June 23rd, 2010
6:53 pm
Kyle,
I’m not even sure why you wrote this article other than to further criticize President Obama. McChrystal did what he did and paid for it as he should. It’s about the military standards and chain-of-command. It has nothing to do with thin skin or anything else. If he had done the same thing while Bush was president, you can bet he would have been gone immediately (probably after his first gaffe!). Of course, THEN it would have not been an issue.
Can you spell “hyprocisy”?
No More Progressives!
June 23rd, 2010
6:59 pm
Stop It
June 23rd, 2010
2:57 pm
Did he not turn in his resignation? Apaprently he did not want to be there. Some people are making this out to be more than what it is. No matter if you are to the left and right, NO one should disresepct the commander in chief-PERIOD !
That’s funny. When GWB was pilloried on a daily basis, the left told us daily that dissent is a large part of patriotism.
Respect is earned, not demanded. An empty suit community organizer with a half-page resume needs to listen more and talk less.
No More Progressives!
June 23rd, 2010
7:07 pm
Big D’s Proctologist
June 23rd, 2010
3:56 pm
Big D, take your small p&nis and small brain and go home to your rented trailer park. For you to refer to the President as a “mutt”, just goes to show that your “opinion” has nothing to do with policy, politics, etc., but everything to do with his race.
Pray tell, Doctor: what is King Barry’s race?
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
7:14 pm
Dung, you are an imbecile and a racist imbecile at that. Your posts, understandably, are viewed a nothing more than the ramblings of an idiot. That’s as it should be. I’m willing to bet you have sex with farm animals and expose your pitifully small ‘little Elvis’ to small children and elderly women. Shut up douche bag!
Alvin Greene for Senate in SC
June 23rd, 2010
7:15 pm
General Petraeus will want to win. He will request an Afghan surge. Just like Iraq.
Obama’s plan to leave by next summer is vaporized.
The oil is leaking really bad today.
Ughhhh.. Terry Bradshaw for POTUS.
Hurricane Petraeus
June 23rd, 2010
7:18 pm
“Hey baby…. Have I got sumthin for you….”
Hurricane Obama
June 23rd, 2010
7:19 pm
“Yeah dawg…. Turn up the jacuzzi…….”
Red November
June 23rd, 2010
8:50 pm
Anyone else notice that the liberal Obamabot care takers in the main stream media and on blogs don’t bring up much that McChrystal voted for the Obamanation? I want to feel bad for a career military officer, but the fact that he voted for a clueless incompetent Chicago crony community organizer for his Commander In Chief throws any sympathy out the window. He should have known better doing that as he should have known better interviewing the a liberal hippy rag like the Rolling Stone. Now it’s just a countdown to the book deal lambasting the incompetence of the Obama administration. Can’t wait! Oh, and who is the replacement? The same guy the liberal dimwits snidely called “Betrayous” a few years ago under Bush.
By the way, speaking of incompetence, what’s up with the Teleprompter In Chief wearing shorts playing golf, something he’s done MORE in just one year than the entire first FOUR YEARS of the Bush administration that liberal dimwits whined about? Uh huh.
Finally, to quickly change the subject for a moment, let me make sure I understand this correctly: earlier this year, George Soros – one of the Teleprompter In Chief’s handlers – buys $900M worth of the Brazilian State owned oil company, Petrobras. Then the Teleprompter Administration sends $2B (yeah, that’s a B) of our tax dollars to Brazil, intended for oil exploration (Brazil intends to drill twice as deep as the Horizon well). How come CNN, PMSNBC, and the New York Slimes and other liberal media outlets that put this guy on a pedestal in the first place as a presidential candidate aren’t investigating things like this?
VEB
June 23rd, 2010
9:19 pm
Jimmy Carter must be thrilled. He’s now the second worst President this nation has ever seen
IraqAnyone?
June 23rd, 2010
9:25 pm
What’s the deal in Iraq? Not much action. No sky is falling Kyle? What gives?
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
11:28 pm
“you are an imbecile and a racist imbecile at that. ”
Oh yeah, well you’re a doo doo head and a nazi. Moron.
“Your posts, understandably, are viewed a nothing more than the ramblings of an idiot. That’s as it should be. I’m willing to bet you have sex with farm animals and expose your pitifully small ‘little Elvis’ to small children and elderly women. Shut up douche bag!”
Cowhoun, I’m so sorry you were anal raped in prison. It must truly suck to know that gangs bent you over their bunk beds night after night.
Oh, and make me shut up, retard.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 23rd, 2010
11:30 pm
Gotta suck for people like Cowhoun and Sandra.
Confidence Waning in Obama, U.S. Outlook
Americans are more pessimistic about the state of the country and less confident in President Barack Obama’s leadership than at any point since Mr. Obama entered the White House, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703900004575325263274951230.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories
AlGore the rapist
June 23rd, 2010
11:32 pm
Prosecutor: Al Gore was focus of sex crime inquiry in Portland
The Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office confirmed today that a woman who alleged unwanted sexual contact by Al Gore reported it to police in 2006, and the prosecutor’s office was briefed by the Portland Police Bureau in late 2006 and January 2007.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/prosecutor_al_gore_was_focus_o.html
DEWSTARPATH
June 24th, 2010
5:56 am
Algonquin j. Calhoun
June 23rd, 2010
7:14 pm
Dung, you are an imbecile and a racist imbecile at that. Your posts, understandably, are viewed a nothing more than the ramblings of an idiot. That’s as it should be. I’m willing to bet you have sex with farm animals and expose your pitifully small ‘little Elvis’ to small children and elderly women. Shut up douche bag!
- Algonquin: “Dung” is actually Bob LobLAw jumping to ANOTHER handle.
That same adolescent insult was used against me in Wooten’s blog.
MikeB
June 24th, 2010
7:41 am
The military needs to have a clear mission in AFG and by default Pakistan, that “they” understand….
Making it all public is information the enemy can use, whoever the enemy is on that given day (Osama, the Taliban, AFG warlords/drugrunners, ect,….)
I would like to bring the troops home as well, but if this is done too soon, the Pakistani Nuclear arsenal will be exposed…….. Boots on the ground are keeping the people who want those weapons occupied and on the defensive……. Removing the threat of U.S. Forces from the area will most certainly create a threat and cause activities, that will cost much more than we are spending there now…..
Think critically about this…….
No More Progressives!
June 24th, 2010
7:50 am
AlGore the rapist
June 23rd, 2010
11:32 pm
Prosecutor: Al Gore was focus of sex crime inquiry in Portland
Boy, ole Al has been busy, inventing the internet & getting massages and all…………
He would have made a great…….something.
Communist AJC
June 24th, 2010
8:10 am
“That same adolescent insult was used against me in Wooten’s blog.”
Dewstar, you of all people should be talking. I took a look at Wootens blog and low and behold you wrote “LA BOB BLOWs goats”.
Cowhoun wrote: I’m willing to bet you have sex with farm animals and expose your pitifully small ‘little Elvis’ to small children and elderly women. Shut up douche bag!
Both of you gals have low IQs. And you over here trying to play the victim card all while spewing trash on other blogs.
Go sell stupid somewhere else.
hotlanta
June 24th, 2010
8:26 am
Are you being TESTED each day that you come to work? Where was all of this daily rating systems during the other President’s term. Oh I forgot when a black person gets the job the rules change. If I listen the polls it would really be gloom and doom. I still say has anyone noticed besides me that the Republicans are not WORKING they are campaigning for November and 2012 which is 2 years away. They get up everyday and say “GOTCHA”.
Fix-It
June 24th, 2010
9:03 am
Bring ALL of our troops home from EVERY WHERE and put them on our borders. Our federal government has the responsibility to secure our borders and if they don’t they are breaking the law.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 24th, 2010
9:08 am
“That same adolescent insult was used against me in Wooten’s blog.”
Dew, prove it.
Larry
June 24th, 2010
9:09 am
Don’t disagree with the move, just the typical grandstanding way he went about it. Our President is an egomaniac. This would have best been done with humility and dignity. The soldier served this country well and this should have been handled privately within the military but Mr. tough guy (read Napolean complex) had to make a public showing of how much of a hard a_s he is. Unfortunately, he’s just proving that he’s too immature for the job. As he said to Sen McCain, we’re not campaigning any more. Unfortunately, that’s all this guy has ever done. He’s starting to make Jimmy Carter look good.
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 24th, 2010
9:12 am
“Oh I forgot when a black person gets the job the rules change.”
Yeah, you left wingers were calling Condi Rice, Aunt Jamima and Uncle Tom………yep, the rules do change when a black person gets a job in high office.
“I still say has anyone noticed besides me that the Republicans are not WORKING they are campaigning for November and 2012 which is 2 years away.”
If you had half a brain you’d know that the democrats control congress. Democrats shut Republicans out of everything.
Oh, and when is Obama gonna stop campaigning and lead?
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 24th, 2010
9:12 am
“They get up everyday and say “GOTCHA”.”
That’s exactly what democrats did for Bush’s two terms. Payback sucks!
Larry
June 24th, 2010
9:14 am
Hotlanta
Get off your racist bandwagon. You’re trying to tell us Bush’s every move wasn’t put under a microscope? Where were you the past 30 years? Every president since JFK has gone through this crap. It has nothing to do with race. IT’s the nature of the job and President Obama knew that when he went after it. He wanted it and now he’s got it so quit your crying and grow up.
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
9:23 am
It amuses me when liberals play the race card without any shred of evidence. Ms Cynthia Tucker has a “column” about how “much needed diversity” has come to the GOP. I guess she’d never heard of Larry Elder, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Marco Rubio, Michelle Malkin, Thomas Sowell, JC Watts, Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas and many other black, hispanic and asian GOPers. I guess she and hotlanta totally missed the fact that the GOP has a gay section called the Log Cabin Republicans as well.
Yes, people like hotlanta and Tucker will continue to play the race card because they haven’t the intelligence to know that most people don’t wake up everyday pondering how they can keep minorities down.
What sad sad sad lives these individuals must live.
Halftrack
June 24th, 2010
10:32 am
All the stuff going on yesterday was for entertainment and ego building purposes. The general told the truth – - – the real problem is there is no clear vision or purpose in Affganastan. The WH is so mixed up they don’t know who’s on first and can’t give the Troops and commanders any direction or backing. It’s hard to see body bags being filled with so little support from back home without being peeeed off.
Churchill's MOM
June 24th, 2010
12:13 pm
Why does the AJC not have a hot link for opinion? All the real papers up North do, The local ABH has them and the Augusta paper does. Now that I think about it the AJC is the only paper I read thet doesn’t.
Churchill's MOM
June 24th, 2010
12:16 pm
I am writing about the need for a direct link in the masthead for the opinion section, sorry that I’m such a poor writer.
DEWSTARPATH
June 24th, 2010
1:04 pm
CommunistsAJC & Obama has the IQ –
– You obviously have no
DEWSTARPATH
June 24th, 2010
1:06 pm
CommunistsAJC & Obama has the IQ –
– You obviously have no common sense, since you haven’t
figured out that everyone knows you’re Bob Loblaw.
DEWSTARPATH
June 24th, 2010
1:10 pm
LobLAw: This is the post you mentioned -
LA BOB BLOWs goats (whatever that means)
June 23rd, 2010
4:12 am
– which was posted after THIS –
DEWSTARPATH blows goats
June 21st, 2010
9:17 am
– Hypocrite. I won’t even paste the offensive one you put
up after your 9:17 post, where you try to use my handle again.
DEWSTARPATH
June 24th, 2010
1:14 pm
“Dewstar, you of all people should be talking. I took a look at Wootens blog and low and behold you wrote “LA BOB BLOWs goats”.
1. You didn’t just “take a look” at Wooten’s blog. You’ve been trading
insults with me for weeks there.
2. It’s not “low and behold”, flunky. It’s “lo and behold”.
3. No one can buy stupid. You’ve cornered the market.
DEWSTARPATH
June 24th, 2010
1:20 pm
Obama has the IQ of dung
June 24th, 2010
9:08 am
“That same adolescent insult was used against me in Wooten’s blog.”
Dew, prove it.
FROM “Believe Obama or Lying Eyes – comments page # 2″:
Bob Loblaw
June 23rd, 2010 – 9:59 am
“dewstar has the IQ of dung.”
CrazyInGA
June 24th, 2010
1:39 pm
“Gen. David Petraeus told CNN on Thursday that he supports President Barack Obama’s July 2011 deadline to start withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan, a key point of contention between the president and many of his Republican critics in Congress.”
Please, Oh Please…… bring home our troops.
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
2:12 pm
DEWSTARPATH is off his meds again.
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
2:12 pm
“Please, Oh Please…… bring home our troops.”
Not gonna happen.
Obama the hypocrite
June 24th, 2010
2:15 pm
Obama said that the surge in Iraq was a failure. Obama also sided with the NY Times Moveon.org General BetrayUs ad.
Flash forward to 2010: Obama is hailed as a hero by the left for appointing Petreus to lead in Iraq…
Obama and liberals are flat out stupid.
NOV 2010: The official end of Obama Husseins presidency.
Intown
June 24th, 2010
2:18 pm
I’m not sure if any president or general can save this war. It is AFGANISTAN for crying out loud. It has never been governable … EVER! Our aim after 9/11 was to (a) seek complete revenge for 9/11 and (b) to remove a safe-haven for Al-Qaeda, preferably permanently. I think we initially killed a bunch of bad guys and disrupted the safe-haven and then we unfortunately went on a wild expedition into Iraq diverting crucial resources from our military at a crucial time. I submit that the revenge mission is still incomplete because OBL lives and breathes and that permanent disruption of Al-Qaeda’s safe-haven is not posssible without a permanent U.S. or Allied presence in the unruly corrupt pathetic excuse for a nation we call Afghanistan. Americans do not have the resolve for permanent occupation. But, that is what is needed. This is a liberal talking.
DEWSTARPATH
June 24th, 2010
2:20 pm
hotlanta ain’t so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
2:12 pm
- Wrong again, LobLAw.
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
2:48 pm
DEWSTARPATH
What in the world are you talking about?
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
2:50 pm
Intown
Bush never intended on keeping us there forever. The main goal was to wipe out the Taliban and our forces wiped out thousands of them.
Obama and the democrats are the ones who insist on us concentrating on Afghanistan.
JKL2
June 24th, 2010
3:12 pm
Obama’s best plan is to bring back the guy they couldn’t stand running the show when Bush was in charge. Kind of sounds like a step backwards to me. So much for the change.
Too bad we couldn’t bring back Reagan…
DEWSTARPATH
June 24th, 2010
4:03 pm
- I’m talking about you claiming I’m on medication.
Prove it.
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
4:43 pm
“- Wrong again, LobLAw.”
What is a LobLAw?
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
4:44 pm
“I’m talking about you claiming I’m on medication.
Prove it.”
You don’t get sarcasm do you?
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
4:45 pm
JKL2
Obama bringing in Petreus makes Bush look great! It makes Obama look stupid since he said that the surge in Iraq failed when it indeed succeeded. Just goes to show that Obama is one dumb man child.
hotlanta ain't so hot with her makeup off
June 24th, 2010
4:46 pm
Obama’s Greek Tragedy
Do you remember candidate Barack Obama offering his hope-and-change platitudes in front of the fake Greek columns during the Democratic convention? Or earlier pontificating at the Victory Monument in Berlin?
Why didn’t an old cigar-chomping Democratic pro take him aside and warn him about offending Nemesis? She is the dreaded goddess who brings divine retribution in ironic fashion to overweening arrogance.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/24/saving_obama_from_himself_106084.html
Real Athens
June 25th, 2010
8:29 am
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
1 MAY 2003
nelsonhoward
June 25th, 2010
8:50 am
It was a quintesential opportunity for President Obama, on the one hand there is the Gulf Oil spill which he has not been able to fix along with everybody else. On the other hand, a General that he can fix, by replacing him. He demonstrated that he is still in charge. On the other hand the Afghanistan war is like the oil spill, it has yet to be fixed.
somewhereinga
June 25th, 2010
12:15 pm
Gee, in the same blog you have Dusty calling Obama a wimp and Larry calling him a hard a-s. Yall need to make up your minds!
Sorry, Larry. Obama did what was needed, in the way that it was needed. he needed to show the military that the CIVILIANS are in control of them. We are not a third world country. Now he needs to set into motion the court martials of several other officers who participated in the article.
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