Exactly who ‘makes enough money’ in Obama’s eyes?

“I do think,” you may have heard President Barack Obama say about a group of Americans last week, “at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”

And if you hadn’t heard it before now, you may be wondering who he was talking about.

Perhaps he was speaking to Hollywood — producer/directors such as George Lucas or Steven Spielberg, who were paid $170 million and $150 million, respectively, according to Forbes magazine’s 2009 list. Less generous, but still better than I and probably you, were Jerry Bruckheimer at $100 million and Atlanta’s Tyler Perry at $75 million. Or actors such as Harrison Ford ($65 million) or Adam Sandler ($55 million).

Then again, he might have been talking to America’s television stars. Dr. Phil (McGraw) pulled down $80 million, Forbes reports. Simon Cowell of “American Idol” was close behind at $75 million. And there’s Oprah, our highest-paid celebrity, at $275 million.

But Oprah is one of the president’s biggest backers, so let’s forget the big and little screens and turn to musicians. For all the challenges to that industry, Madonna managed to bring home $110 million. There’s Beyonce Knowles at $87 million; Bruce Springsteen, $70 million; Kenny Chesney and Dave Matthews Band, $65 million each; and a cool $60 million for the band Rascal Flatts.

I could mention athletes, but Tiger Woods was in a class of his own at $110 million (a figure he won’t match this year).

Oh, wait — maybe the operative words are “at a certain point”; Obama must have been talking about dead celebrities! It’s been half a century since Rodgers & Hammerstein put out a new musical, but their estates saw $235 million in new earnings. The King of Pop, Michael Jackson, with $90 million, and the King of Rock ’n’Roll, Elvis Presley, with $55 million, also did not do poorly posthumously.

Now, if you think it would have been odd for President Obama to scold celebrities in this way, you’re right. He was talking instead about businessmen – specifically, those who work in finance. Want to guess how many chief executives of financial companies in 2009, according to Forbes, earned as much as the 20 celebs I’ve listed here?

How about none?

In fact, the $2.4 billion in total earnings of the 100 highest-paid CEOs, regardless of industry, barely beat out the $2.1 billion of the twenty-five best-compensated celebs (living ones, that is). Just seven of those 100 CEOs worked in the financial industry.

I don’t begrudge Beyonce, Spielberg or Tiger — or the head of JP Morgan — the pay they receive. Nor do I begrudge Obama his $5.5 million in 2009 income — again, more than I and probably you.

So why does the president begrudge the same to others?

He claims that he doesn’t. The full quote from his Wednesday speech in Quincy, Ill., was:

“I want to be clear, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money. But part of the American way is you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or you’re providing a good service. We don’t want people to stop fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow the economy.”

The second sentence is the one that defines “fairly earned” for Obama. The man who as a candidate spoke of “spreading the wealth around” has found a matter he considers within his pay grade: other people’s pay.

256 comments Add your comment

No More Progressives!

May 1st, 2010
4:02 pm

HDB

May 1st, 2010
3:21 pm

“provide safe and healthy working conditions… You ever been through an OSHA audit?”
That hasn’t helped the WV coal miners or Gulf oil workers; the OSHA regulations need to be strengthened to ensure worker protections.

I can tell from your response that you’ve never had the pleasure of an OSHA audit. Thrilling.

You have no knowledge of the mining industry. Surface mines have oversight by the OSM, or Office of Surface Mining. All mines fall under the MSA, or Mine Safety Administration, in addition to OSHA. Been around for years. Where was your big govt. oversight then? Spending billions of dollars watching porn, that what (I don’t believe it was limited to the SEC).

The CWA applies to “navigalbe waters” within US jurisdiction. I am appalled at the spill, but the rig is in international waters. And your hero King Barry the Magnanimous has done nothing but order beaurocrats to the scene. This is a bif F*****g deal!!! says Bozo Joe.

And your non-answer to the working wage tells me you really don’t know. You lefties don’t seem to understand that everytime Congress passes a higer minimum wage, thousands of teenagers are displaced from work; it’s simple economics.

Last, if you compare our nations water & air to the Cuyahoga River Fire in 1969, and how Pittburgh and B’ham have cleaned up their air, our environental improvement is exponential.

Liberals want a zero-risk environment. It doesn’t exist. Solid & hazardous waste is the industry I’ve worked in since 1984.

Andy

May 1st, 2010
4:20 pm

Ya, Wall Street CEOs didn’t make very much in 2009 what with Blankfein generally setting the upper limits and setting his low as not to make the situation worse. Looking at 2009 doesn’t really give a very accurate picture.

Also, I have only ever met one person who thought that they could never make enough money. Fair enough, they’re free to do that. Everybody else generally concedes that at some point (whatever that may be) that you can have made enough money that time spent making more is a waste of life. It was odd to meet someone who could not understand this.

The point however is that “part of the American way is you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or you’re providing a good service.” When you put together a bunch of crappy investments, sell them as good investments, and then bet they will fail, well, that’s not providing a good product or service.

So to jump on the what the President said without thinking it through…makes me laugh at the name Kyle Wingfield.

You Distort/We Deride

May 1st, 2010
4:23 pm

And still, the uber-rich are allowed to crash and burn an enterprise and destroy the largess of their collective loyal employees, without whom they would cease to exist.

The employees of a company are not parasites. They are, in fact, half of a symbiotic relationship.

No More Progressives!

May 1st, 2010
4:30 pm

Andy

May 1st, 2010
4:20 pm
When you put together a bunch of crappy investments, sell them as good investments, and then bet they will fail, well, that’s not providing a good product or service.

You’re right, and I agree. My question is why does the SEC require such rigid licensing to be in the securities industry? Series 7, 63 et al, and what do we get? Gambling. I thought FDR’s Securities act of 1934 was supposed to cure us of all this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Securities_and_Exchange_Commission

No More Progressives!

May 1st, 2010
4:31 pm

You Distort/We Deride

May 1st, 2010
4:23 pm
And still, the uber-rich are allowed to crash and burn an enterprise and destroy the largess of their collective loyal employees, without whom they would cease to exist.

The way the UAW has destroyed GM?

retiredds

May 1st, 2010
4:35 pm

Hillbilly, and just who is they? Be specific please.

bellagrazi

May 1st, 2010
4:59 pm

If Obama thinks he made enough money, I’d be more than willing to take it off his hands. I don’t need Oprah money. Obama money is fine.

Michael H. Smith

May 1st, 2010
5:15 pm

No More, regulations are only as good as the regulators who in this case were meant to enforce them. What good is the SEC and the FTC?

No good!

It is time to clean the BIG GUB’MENT house.

Jackalcrat

May 1st, 2010
5:36 pm

“Did you get college loans or grants Jackalcrat? Will you call the fire department if you need them? Do you have family members on SSI or Medicare? I’ve found that most of the knuckle dragging moronic Rethugs are against social help unless they or family member need it.”

Once again we have a mindless liberals (”Rethugs” – how quaint) who don’t understand the difference between government and OVER government. Oh and on your point, ask Washington state residents on Medicare how they feel about not being able to get prescriptions filled at Walgreen’s. Social Security? I won’t see it. Dial 911 for protection? Yep.

“Did you get college loans or grants Jackalcrat?”

Are you referring to those loans that are lumped into the same mentality as Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, Mrs. liberal T? But to answer your question, no. I worked my way through college (and high school). Call it a character builder lesson – something you liberals would never understand.

“Don’t buy the President’s book, check it out of the library so he won’t make any more money on you. ”

Boortzpig: I don’t need to read a book on this administration. I can look around and see the incompetence, destruction, and sheer Chicago thugery arrogance just fine that was hidden from view in 2008.

Jackalcrat

May 1st, 2010
5:51 pm

“Harry Reid is gaining ground in Nevada……….”

HDB: only in a re-run of liberal revisionist history………….

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/election_2010_nevada_senate

You liberals are going to lose a LOT of seats this November, and it’s going to be a beautiful sight to behold.

sub

May 1st, 2010
5:54 pm

jb, you dim bulb, why don’t you try refuting the facts in this piece? I realize that your intellect is limited, as evidenced in your command of the english language, but exactly what herein is confusing to you? Obama won’t scold the salaries of celebs or class-action lawyers, because those are HIS people, and they are allowed to earn whatever they want, of course. I’m so glad that Dear Leader is here to tell us all what’s “enough”, to tell us how to think and how to conduct our lives. Hey Obama, you poser, why don’t you learn how to speak without a teleprompter, and then pull the heads of Hollywood and Media out of your rear for a spell. Might help you think clearly for a second.

Jackalcrat

May 1st, 2010
5:54 pm

Oops – “Oh and on your point, ask Washington state residents on Medicare how they feel about not being able to get prescriptions filled at Walgreen’s.”

Make that Medicaid, not Medicare. But same difference, same government incompetence.

Jackalcrat

May 1st, 2010
6:00 pm

“Obama won’t scold the salaries of celebs or class-action lawyers, because those are HIS people”

And thereupon you have the mentality of other liberals who see that as no problem, but yet somehow those idiots think that a white collar corporate executive’s pay is robbing them out of “their deserved money” – as if a company I start up or someone else starts up is robbing THEM of “their money.” Gee, not like it’s MY company and MY jobs to create or anything. yet these moonbats have no problem with Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods making millions off selling Nike shoes to single mother households who can’t even make ends meet.

That’s the mentality of these neo-Marxist progressives of the modern sycophant left.

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 1st, 2010
6:00 pm

retiredds @ 4:35

That was intended to be a little humor on a rainy day.

Indie

May 1st, 2010
6:05 pm

Obama and the Dems are losing the message war. The immigration debate and wealth envy propaganda isnt working and seems to be backfiring against a more well informed electorate, thanks to a variety of news sources, NYT AJC and the rest of the liberal toilet paper no longer can be used for liberal spin.

You Distort/We Deride

May 1st, 2010
6:27 pm

No More Progressives

If labor and management cannot forge equitable financial arrangements between themselves, then I could care less if their business fails.

HDB

May 1st, 2010
6:49 pm

Jackalcrat May 1st, 2010
5:51 pm

Historically, the party in power always loses seats to the party out of power in off-season elections. I’m expecting losses for the Democrats! The question is this: how many people will get screwed by the exchange vs. how many people will prosper!! That is determined by education, experience, work history….AND race!!

There are many of us who were totally screwed when the Republicans took over (I was one of them!)…and wanted to work!! Many of us prospered greatly when Democrats took over the White House…for the economic policies and domestic spending allowed those who wanted to progress to do so….(and I’m not speaking about those who abuse the system….but properly use the system to become HIGHER tax payers!)……..

If the government sets the proper environment….many will prosper; the question is — WHO????

No More Progressives!

May 1st, 2010
7:36 pm

Michael H. Smith

May 1st, 2010
5:15 pm

It is time to clean the BIG GUB’MENT house.

I’m ready. Hurry up November & we’ll get started.

No More Progressives!

May 1st, 2010
7:54 pm

You Distort/We Deride

May 1st, 2010
6:27 pm

Spoken like a true Union man. Screw ‘em! I don’t give a s**t!!!

HDB

May 1st, 2010
8:02 pm

NMP – If the nation didn’t have union labor…many of the workplace protections wouldn’t be in place!! Southerners hated unions because of the history of slavery…..I hope we’ve gotten past that episode in history!!

MiltonMan

May 1st, 2010
8:09 pm

Obozo – never met a dollar bill that he did not want to tax. We got to deal with this idiot for 2.5 more years?

MiltonMan

May 1st, 2010
8:12 pm

HDB – only prospers when free hand-outs are given? I am surprised that you are able to type while you lips are sn strongly attached to the hind-quarters of the DemoRats

Bill

May 1st, 2010
8:58 pm

“Kyle you dip wad you read something and see something that is not even there. “Success that’s fairly earned” means quit being dishonest”
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Sir, that doesn’t even make sense in the context you propose. You think Obama is saying there is an appropriate amount of money to make while being dishonest? Because that’s the logic you’re proposing here by trying to twist his comments into your context.

AtlantaBill

May 1st, 2010
9:00 pm

What a stupid conclusion arrived at by this writer. I heard the Obama statement and it went something like: “I don’t begrudge … but at some point you would think enough is enough”. Maybe I don’t have the quote exactly right but it is the essence of what was said. What is so unamerican about having such a view. I feel that way about my minister, my doctor, and many of the atheletes. My view however is nothing more than a personal opinion based on my values and sense of fairness. Kyle is attempting to make an issue of a none issue.

jsmith

May 1st, 2010
9:01 pm

Barry Obama is actually Jimmy Carter’s secret plan to make his presidency look good.

DD

May 1st, 2010
10:14 pm

So Obmas spent his life in “public service”? Who exactly did he serve other then himself-the slumlords of Chicago? The racists and communists? Wow, how noble. This idiot is a communist moron, who thinks that the Roman arch was invented by Muslims. he thinks that Islam is about tolerance and said so in the middle East. Sure they are tolerant of women, who they can burn and beat, and they are tolerant of Christians, Jews and homosexuals..Yup, that Islam particularly as practiced by Arab nations is a real tolerant. We should apologize to these tolerant progressive people as Obama did for their subhuman conduct and culture. Yup, that will help a lot.

What he said idiots is what he said, “at a certain point you’ve made enough money”. He tells you, “this is what I beleive” and you still can’t figure it out. “My health care will reduce the deficit”, “there will be no new taxes on anybody making less then $250K”, “I will bring a bipartisan approach to government”, “I do not have a litmus test for Supreme Court nominees BUT they must respect ALL women’s rights” (abortion-so he does have a litmus test). This fool can’t open his mouth without lies coming out and still the defenders come to his defense because they are either too stupid or brainwashed to take a step back and say, “this dimwit never had a job, never ran anything, doesn’t know the first thing about anything, is demolishing freedoms and rights and running roughshod ver the will of the American people by promoting policies across the board that he can’t win with the electorate, that he’s too cowardly to even try and pass through legislation with a stacked deck-this is not what America is about”…Now he’s going to share with the world out nuclear weaposn inventory cause you know, “it’s not fair that we have so many and htey don’t have any”…Let me guess he’s doing an international service here, is a real noble guy and we should “spread those nukes around”….What a tool

No More Progressives!

May 1st, 2010
10:18 pm

HDB

May 1st, 2010
8:02 pm

What did the Pullman riots in 1894 (in Illinois) have to do with slavery?

You lefties just can’t go a paragraph without mentioning slavery.

Robert Littel

May 1st, 2010
10:18 pm

One out of every two dollars of wealth that exists in this country sits in the pockets of about 4000 individuals, which would constitute a bad gate at a double A sporting event. When that much wealth is concentrated, especially in the rigged market system we have operating at the moment, then corruption becomes endemic and institutionalized. That so many are willing to stand in defense of a system because they perceive that they personally can sit beneath the table and catch a few dropped crumbs dropped to them by the ultra-rich, is pathetic, especially since the game is rigged.

Opie

May 1st, 2010
10:20 pm

I like Kyle’s article. Great job Kyle.

Opie

May 1st, 2010
10:23 pm

@atlantabill Start over tomorrow. Maybe you’ll feel better then. It must have been a hard day.

You Distort/We Deride

May 1st, 2010
10:39 pm

NMR

Damned straight. Kind of like what Ken Lay had to say about the people who made him.

Nathan McKnight

May 1st, 2010
10:55 pm

The author is right. We should have an income cap for ALL Americans. Keep salaries at a reasonalbe variation around the mean–say fifty grand annually +/- two standard deviations. Pay should be proportionate to the amount and difficulty of work done, and it is not conceivable that any person can do several hundred times more work than any other person.

koczani

May 1st, 2010
11:07 pm

To all those who say actors, directors and athletes fairly earn their money. Have you seen ticket prices lately?? Why is it that a pop at Costco cost $0.75 at Costco and $3.00 at the movies or at a stadium. Yes the owners are to blame, but they have to pay the high salaries of the actors and players. If they don’t, guess who goes out on strike. So do me a favor and can it, those people no more fairly earn their salaries than those on Wall Street. If the people on Wall Street are doing something illegal, throw them in jail!!

el polacko

May 1st, 2010
11:35 pm

the “at some point you’ve made enough money” crack was the one comment he made that was not on his teleprompter. it reveals a great deal about the boy-man behind the image..just as his “spread the wealth around” comment did. he has never moved beyond his college-days marxism and class resentment. i doubt, however, that he has scolded oprah for her ‘undeserved’ millions.

96 SC

May 2nd, 2010
12:00 am

Kyle, BO uses “FAIRLY EARNED” without providing a clear and objective definition of the term. BO also fails to quantify “ENOUGH”, this BO guy is full of meaningless and eloquent rhetoric.

Never fails to amaze me

May 2nd, 2010
12:09 am

It never fails to amaze me how those on the left just JUMP to name calling. Especially when they can’t counter the facts or argue the points. Just pull out the old Alinsky guide and take it from there.

Yep. Sure sign that you are right…when you start getting called names and not much else.

Intellectual dishonesty = name callers.

dfsdfkjsh

May 2nd, 2010
12:28 am

What does Tiger Woods do or produce to earn that much money?

The Carnivore

May 2nd, 2010
2:14 am

There is no such thing as enough money.

The second it exists, the country fails. The liberals know this better than anyone.

Steve Ross

May 2nd, 2010
3:11 am

koczani

May 1st, 2010
11:07 pm
To all those who say actors, directors and athletes fairly earn their money. Have you seen ticket prices lately?? Why is it that a pop at Costco cost $0.75 at Costco and $3.00 at the movies or at a stadium. Yes the owners are to blame, but they have to pay the high salaries of the actors and players. If they don’t, guess who goes out on strike. So do me a favor and can it, those people no more fairly earn their salaries than those on Wall Street. If the people on Wall Street are doing something illegal, throw them in jail!!

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There is a difference. You dont have to drink a soda at the game, or buy the food, in fact you dont have to go to the game.

In fact why does it cost .75 at costco, its water with syrup!!!! It cost .75 at costco, because the Rich CEO of costco and the soda companies and their corporate share holders and board of directors need to make their million dollar bonuses!

Your argument is like swiss cheese.

These CEO’s get paid to reduce staff, pile more work on those who are left over, fearing they might lose their jobs so they get salaried employees to then work 10-14 hours a day, to cover for those that have been let go. And in other cases, they outsource jobs for 40 cents on the dollar to India, and that money savings might help the share holders, but it hurt us here at home as the middle class shrinks, and unemployment goes up.

How is it that the TEA BAGGERS cant see this?

Its so frikken obvious!

You are all idiots, and that is why Rupert Murdoch has you brainwashed by the likes of Palin/Beck/Hannity/Rush/O’Riely. Millionaires pushing Billionaires agendas to the less than intellingent middle.

If the money is in the hands of the few, then less cars, less couches, less computers, less meals, less clothes, less everything is purchased, which means less revenues for companies, which means more layoffs, and more jobs going over seas for less cost, its a NEVER ENDING CYCLE until you take the $$$ back from the rich who control everything!

Are you people that hate Obama really this stupid to think the Rich are there for you? That the Rich are there for us as a country to succeed? They care about one thing and one thing only, as much money as they can grab, so they can buy jewels and art, and 5-10 homes! So they can show off to their friends about all that they have.

This wasnt how it was during the 50’s and 60’s. That’s what you always say, you want your country back! Well its not government that took the country from you, it was CORPORATIONS!

RichardC

May 2nd, 2010
5:45 am

Gee … There are a lot of folks who seem to believe that the big financial companies do nothing but cheat poor schmos. Hmmm … Well, I’m sure I won’t disillusion you, since you’ll believe what you want, but the fact is that most of these companies do a good job handling others’ money, and making them tidy profits. Sure, markets have their ups and downs, and some lose their shirts and more, but these companies wouldn’t stay in business unless they provided services others want and need. These companies tend to make money regardless of the direction of the market, since much of what they make is in fees paid by clients. It’s the free market that filters the companies for honesty, as poor performance eventually results in clients going elsewhere for the requisite services.

Are there “bad actors” in the financial market? Sure. Pick any sector of the economy, and you’ll find some who play fast with the rules. Some even cheat. No field, no profession, is proof against this. And the financial market is tightly regulated already. All that is needed is for the regulators to do their jobs … which is part of how we consumers find out which companies are most honest, and which least: by regulartory action.

Good companies abound, really. There is no long-term gain for the typical “cheat,” but lots of long- and short-term risk. Executives at the financial companies know that getting caught cheating risks both their companies and their personal freedom. So, where did the recent “distortions” in the market come from? Congress. If you want the root cause of the Great Recession, look at Congress and its meddling with the mortgage market. The rules forced on the mortgage market REQUIRED lenders to provide signficant percentages of their loans to people who really couldn’t afford the payments. Those rules were used to get Fannie and Freddie to buy sub-prime loans and bundle them as “investments.” And all for political gain.

DON’T BLAME THE EXECUTIVES! Blame Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and others who blocked reforms to improve the safety of the mortgage market, and who also pushed dangerous social-policy-based lending rules.

batou

May 2nd, 2010
7:39 am

Enter your comments here

itpdude

May 2nd, 2010
7:47 am

The gaps between the rich and poor in the US have been growing for years. And remember, large gaps in wealth are typical of the third world.

So, if you want a third world situation, fine. Be honest about it. But the middle class on down has been taking it on the chin for long enough. It’s probably getting close to pitchfork and torch time.

But if you like that sort of thing, good on you.

You Distort/We Deride

May 2nd, 2010
8:01 am

Until workers are given express contract rights with their employers, until the balance of power in a worker employer relationship is born 50 50, there will be class wars based on an inequitable arrangement. If those of you who work for someone else are willing to cede all power to those who employ you actually think you are honoring a capitalist code that is the key to universal financial success for all, you are sadly misinformed.

Empty Wagons

May 2nd, 2010
8:04 am

I know at least one person who makes far more money that they’re worth — Kyle Wingfield.

batou

May 2nd, 2010
8:07 am

Yeah, don’t blame the executives who stole all our money, blame the people they paid off to allow them to do it! Boy, that makes a lot of sense there, itpdude. It’s simple: you think that the federal government is the only evil, and that capitalism cannot produce evil. You appear to be ignorant of the nature of time as well, and of the fact that things change over time. The financial system in this country has been rigged to resemble nothing so much as a casino, and most of us don’t support people gambling our investments away. THAT is what happened, an abdication of moral responsibility on the part of these financiers.
If you think that ethical and moral responsibility has no role to play on Wall Street, then who could argue with your delusions? But an amoral system has no claim to belong in our country any more, let alone form the skeleton of our economy. The rich are destroying us, destroying the middle class, and while others may choose to kiss up to this new aristocracy, responsible people don’t. We Americans should fight back, not against the government (which represents our ONLY VOICE in this whole argument) but against the corporations and the legions of sycophants who serve them. If we don’t resond forcefully and with determination, until we succeed, then we have only ourselves to blame. The rich are not our friends, if they ever were; they have become thieves par excellence and should be DEEPLY TAXED until our country is restored. Capitalism unfettered has failed and failed abyssmally; stop embarrassing yourself by defending this bloated carcass.

No More Progressives!

May 2nd, 2010
8:07 am

Oh, how blessed we are to have Perfezor Huffnpuff post on this blog. The world is saved, thanks to the Perfezor.

Well said, Comrade!!!

Patriot

May 2nd, 2010
8:09 am

Obama failed to mention former President Bill Clinton who has cashed in at 100 million on worldwide speaking tours since leaving office, also Al Gore who is in the process of becoming a billionaire by touting bogus climate change bs. Have they made “enough”?

batou

May 2nd, 2010
8:15 am

Go watch more Faux news there, Herr NMP – you’re starting to think for yourself a bit… no , my mistake, no danger there. I thought the right-wingnut brainwashing was wearing off for a sec. Does education scare ya, guy, or what?

batou

May 2nd, 2010
8:25 am

Hey there NeverFails: are you seriously carping about left-wing name-calling? From the guys who brought us the fat bully entertainment station called Faux, from the guys who despise education and show this through inability to argue and hence usually resort to name-calling – really? Go call someone else names and stay on topic, or is the amoral money-grab perpetuated by your rich allies weighing on you finally? Do you even see it, as the country falls down? Is beating up on minorities and the poor really such a thrill for you? The powerless are somehow responsible for the behavior of the powerful? What a joke.

Empty Wagons

May 2nd, 2010
8:28 am

President Obama’s comment was made in the context of discussing Wall Street’s financial shenanigans, where you have people collecting billions while running a rigged craps game where the losers are ultimately the taxpayers. Under those cirsumstances, I think anyone capable of reason would concur that enough is still too much.