Obama’s $8.6 trillion in deficits: Only a low-ball estimate
Anyone trying to claim a fiscal equivalence between the Bush era and the Obama era needs to review the latest report from the Congressional Budget Office.
In its recent budget report, the White House forecast budget deficits totaling $8.6 trillion over the next decade. To keep that in perspective, the total public debt held by the end of 2009 — that is, by the end of George W. Bush’s last budget — was $7.5 trillion.
Graph originally posted at gregmankiw.blogspot.com
CBO, however, says even that mind-boggling projection is too low. In fact, the nonpartisan budget crunchers estimate, the cumulative deficit from 2010-2020 will be $9.8 trillion. That’s a difference of $1.2 trillion, as illustrated to the left (the graph comes from Greg Mankiw).
How much is $1.2 trillion? It’s roughly the same as the combined deficits of Bush’s first four years in office. And remember, we’re only talking about the “extra” amount of total deficits in the decade to come.
But as bad as a $1.2 trillion underestimate is, here are the numbers to really worry about:
- $9.8 trillion: The cumulative budget deficits from 2010-2020 given Obama’s plans, according to CBO. In other words, we will average a $1 trillion deficit over the next 10 years, after never breaching $1 trillion a single time before Bush’s final budget.
- $3.8 trillion: The additional budget deficits from 2010-2020 given Obama’s plans, compared to just leaving the budget on auto-pilot, according to CBO.
- 90 percent: The public debt as a share of the total economy by 2020 given Obama’s plans, according to CBO. The current figure is 53 percent.
- 80 percent: The amount by which the White House has overestimated next year’s economic growth, according to CBO (4.3 percent GDP growth in 2011 forecast by White House, versus 2.4 percent per CBO). Even if the White House is correct and the economy is about to come roaring back, it is foolish to count on such spectacular growth. (Recall what I’ve said before about rosy scenarios.)
- 24.1 percent: The average proportion of GDP that the federal government will spend from 2010-2020 given Obama’s plans, according to CBO. The 40-year historical average is 20.7 percent. So, we are talking about a federal government in 2020 that is one-sixth larger than it historically has been.
And all of this assumes that there will be no national emergencies over the next 10 years: No terrorist attacks or natural disasters that require extra spending. And it assumes that we will have a decade of uninterrupted economic growth; history suggests that’s unlikely.
We are talking about an expansion of government, the deficit and debt that is an order of magnitude greater than anything we’ve seen before. If you’re one of those people asking why fiscal conservatives are suddenly concerned about the deficit now, and weren’t holding tea parties back when Bush was still in office, this is why.
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dewstarpath
March 8th, 2010
11:04 am
- The massive deficit was the result of an unnecessary
invasion of Iraq, the obvious goal being the capture of
Saddam Hussein.
Afghanistan was (and should have been) the primary
focus of any power projection by the US to capture or
kill Osama bin Laden. It was a grievous error on the
part of the Bush administration to split military forces
between a clear and present threat and non-threat.
The operation (and execution) of Saddam was, of course,
successful, but IMO it left an economic hole that we
won’t be able to recover from in our lifetime.
Kyle Wingfield
March 8th, 2010
11:13 am
And in spite of all that, dewstar, Obama’s plans would take deficits to a whole new level.
Jess
March 8th, 2010
11:39 am
Once again. Iraq has cost $687 billion since it’s inception. Now look at the numbers above again. And Iraq caused this?
dewstarpath
March 8th, 2010
11:42 am
True, there are no easy answers. I think that recovery
depends primarily on how we cooperate to improve the
economy without being split along political lines –
specifically when it comes to the role of protecting
middle-class economic gains as opposed to corporate
uber-compensation at the “board of directors” level.
dewstarpath
March 8th, 2010
11:46 am
Jess – It wasn’t just Iraq – it was also the political isolation of trying
to “go it alone”, as well as the massive nation-building efforts after
the fall of Saddam.
David
March 8th, 2010
11:48 am
Unfortunately, deficits and the raising debt level are not just a republican or democratic problem. Both parties don’t know how to curb spending because they ahve to be seen as bringing “their fair share” back to their home district or state. Add that to the money that the elected officials love to hand out to special interest groups that fund the campaign, there is almost no hope to curbing spending until the government goes broke. Need to change the system of elections and terms of service if we ever hope to have a solvent country left for our children.
RJ
March 8th, 2010
11:49 am
Kyle, with all the “stimulus” money, how are states needing to cut education funding? You’d think the money would be available.
Kyle Wingfield
March 8th, 2010
11:57 am
dewstar, how does that (”go it alone,” which isn’t true, but anyway…and “massive nation-building efforts after the fall of Saddam”) count as “not Iraq”? What else would you consider those things to be?
Kyle Wingfield
March 8th, 2010
11:58 am
RJ, they’re cutting in spite of stimulus money. Which is why next year’s budget will probably be even worse than this year’s.
Johnny Dodds
March 8th, 2010
11:59 am
There really is not much of a difference between modern day Bush Republicans and Obama Democrats. They should just combine the two parties and call them “Republocrats.” That’s what they really are, And all both groups do are serve the interests of corporations, just different ones. But they BOTH spend obsene amounts of money we don’t have, never see the problems until they’re merely reacting to them and constantly just fight like kids against one another. Sadly, there is no legitimate (i.e. one that can win a handful of elections) third option in America, and that’s very very sad and unfortunate for us all. America is simply not as black and white as Republicans and Democrats make it out to be.
Kyle Wingfield
March 8th, 2010
12:00 pm
You’re right, David, that neither party has been particularly good at deficits and debt, especially when it controls both the White House and Congress. But this administration and this Congress are particularly — even historically — *bad* at deficits and debt.
Jefferson
March 8th, 2010
12:03 pm
50% over 500k. 40% 251-500K. The problem goes away. Fish where the fish are.
dewstarpath
March 8th, 2010
12:27 pm
Kyle – by “Iraq” I meant Operation Iraqi Freedom. By “going it alone”
I meant the US bearing far more of a share than the other countries
that made up the allied effort – especially since we were part of
another allied front in Afghanistan. Sorry if there was any confusion
about my post.
retiredds
March 8th, 2010
12:35 pm
Kyle, when George Bush (under a Clinton budget, since the government’s budget runs from 10/01-09/30 of the following year) took office the national debt stood at approximately $5.7 trillion. When Barak Obama took office (under George Bush’s budget) the national debt was $10.6 trillion. I would like to know where you got the $8.6 trillion number from, sounds a little low to me. Also the budgets are complicated estimates. When the economy (notice I did not say “if”) gets moving those deficit number could just as easily go down as up. I hope they go down. Also from an economist’s point of view you do not cure the worst economic recession by not running deficits, even high ones. Some respected economists say the stimulus was not enough and we need another one. If you follow the Republican panacea you have what’s going on in GA right now, cuts to all sorts of programs even if they are good ones because there is not enough revenue to support them. You see when you lay off a person who is paying taxes and they go on unemployment they now cost the state $$$$. If you cut a business’ taxes that does not necessarily bring someone into the store to buy product, especially if that person has just been laid off. In other words if someone fears the possibility of losing their job do you think they are going out and buy a house even if it’s discounted 60%-80%? Are they going to borrow lots of money for big ticket items even if interest rates are at their lowest levels in decades? Catch-22, isn’t it. But one thing I am sure of, borrow and spend can lead to disaster and that is not just an Obama problem, it is anyone who has been in office for more than 10 years, Republican or Democrat. The great myth of Reagan and Bush was they would talk a great game but would deliver a much different product. One that you, me, and everyone else, including the next several generations, will be paying for (i.e. interest on the debt, being held hostage to petro-dictators, politicians who say they are “family value guys” while they are being bought and paid for by special interests or running around with women other than their wives). So, Kyle, I have said before, the Republicans, Reagan, Bush, et. al. are not innocent bystanders to all this deficit stuff. When you pile debt on debt (it’s call accumulated debt) all have been at the $$$ trough. And, quite frankly, there is no one currently in either party who will change that.
Jefferson
March 8th, 2010
12:39 pm
Nobody wants to face the facts.
Kyle Wingfield
March 8th, 2010
12:45 pm
retiredds: My figures come from the CBO report (see the first link in the post; the total public debt figure ($7.5 trillion) comes on page 2).
As for economic growth, the CBO report takes that into account; it’s just that CBO doesn’t share the White House’s optimism that the economy is about to hit overdrive (anything above 4% economic growth is pretty torrid in the U.S. economy). It’s not a matter of hoping for one outcome versus the other — I’d love to see 4.3% growth in 2011. But if it happens, it will come as a very pleasant surprise to me, and I don’t think governments should base budget plans on what they hope will happen. (I have also criticized Gov. Perdue for doing the same thing in Georgia this year.)
JF McNamara
March 8th, 2010
12:50 pm
We need tax cuts. That’ll fix everything.
MrLiberty
March 8th, 2010
12:54 pm
Is there ever going to be a time when a conservative will stop defending the profligate spending under Bush as “not as bad as we have under Obama?” Do only libertarians understand and stick to principles?
Under Bush, spending increased more than any president before him. Yes, congress approved the budget just like they bent over and approved every other proposal he stuck in front of them, constitutional or not.
We are never going to get out of this mess until everyone who supported Bush and everyone who supported Obama, and everyone who supported Clinton, Bush I, and every president before them owns up to their own complicity in the destruction of this country, its economy, the dollar, the constitution, and every other foundation that this country was built upon. Pointing fingers at “them” is not going to get us anywhere. That divisiveness is at the heart of the success of the 2 party (really just 1 party) system that we suffer from. I figured out long ago that both major parties are the problem, and any objective analysis will prove this to be true.
So stop rationalizing the failures of Bush (and yourselves) and adopt some sound principles of constitutionally-limited government, a common sense foreign policy, sound money (a gold or silver standard), an austrian approach to economics, and the other important priniciples that will make america great again.
It is this implicit support for Bush and his policies that undermines every criticism of Obama and makes the comments just a bunch of hipocracy.
LA
March 8th, 2010
12:55 pm
“The operation (and execution) of Saddam was, of course,
successful, but IMO it left an economic hole that we
won’t be able to recover from in our lifetime.”
Sure we can. It’s called cutting spending.
retiredds
March 8th, 2010
12:56 pm
Looks like we are using two different reports. The following link is from Treasury Direct and lists the debt held by the public and intragovernmental holdings the total of which is the total debt outstanding. It is by date so I used the date GWB took office and the date BO took office. Here’s the link: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway
I agree with you about growth rates, they are critical to the supposed outcome (or any assumptions for that matter). Unfortunately most, if not all, politicians tend to err on the “long/high” side. It makes their numbers look better.
LA
March 8th, 2010
12:57 pm
dewstarpath , that is a good point about going it alone. Sad to say but Europe needs a wake up call and they are getting quite a dose right now. Greece is going bankrupt and the Euro will soon tank. The ONLY reason Europe exists as it is right now is because the US protects them from Russia.
LA
March 8th, 2010
12:57 pm
“We need tax cuts. That’ll fix everything.”
As opposed to Obama raising taxes during a recession? Yep, that’ll fix everything.
LA
March 8th, 2010
12:58 pm
“The massive deficit was the result of an unnecessary
invasion of Iraq”
Yet…….we’re still there…….
Andy
March 8th, 2010
1:00 pm
How much of that deficit is tied to social security and medicare and the retiring boomers? Isn’t that what so called entitlement reform is all about? And how can the boomers reaching retirement age be blamed on Obama?
When unemployment is high, workers aren’t paying as much into social security as they normally would. Is the unemployment rate the fault of Obama or the collective fault of the last 30 years of mostly republican policy and all of these asset bubbles that the country has been experiencing the last 20 years?
LA
March 8th, 2010
1:02 pm
“And how can the boomers reaching retirement age be blamed on Obama?”
It’s not being blamed on him. What IS being blamed on him is massive spending.
LA
March 8th, 2010
1:05 pm
Massa: Rahm Emanuel “Would Sell His Own Mother” For Votes
“Rahm Emanuel is son of the devil’s spawn, Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) said. “He is an individual who would sell his mother to get a vote. He would strap his children to the front end of a steam locomotive.”
Rep. Massa describes a confrontation with Emanuel in a shower: “I am showering, naked as a jaybird, and here comes Rahm Emanuel, not even with a towel wrapped around his tush, poking his finger in my chest, yelling at me.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/08/massa_rahm_emanuel_would_sell_his_own_mother_for_votes.html
Kyle Wingfield
March 8th, 2010
1:08 pm
Andy: CBO says the deficits from 2010-2020 would total $6 trillion under current law and $9.8 trillion given Obama’s plans. So, CBO is saying that things would be bad with business as usual but will get far worse with Obama’s plans.
Jefferson
March 8th, 2010
1:08 pm
To think spending will ever stop is a simple minded, weak and WRONG path of thinking, it never has and never will. Sounds good, don’t work — the GOP in a nutshell.
LA
March 8th, 2010
1:11 pm
The end of the road for Barack Obama?
Barack Obama seems unable to face up to America’s problems, writes Simon Heffer in New York.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7396358/The-end-of-the-road-for-Barack-Obama.html
Kyle Wingfield
March 8th, 2010
1:12 pm
Mr. Liberty, and anyone else who didn’t get the gist of my post: The point is not that everything was fine under Bush. The point is that too many Obama supporters trot out the Bush era as a kind of justification for what’s happening now. Or, even more laughably, as a time when deficit spending was even worse than it is now.
There is no equivalence between the two. Increasing the debt from $3.3 trillion to $7.5 trillion over eight years is plenty bad; taking it from $7.5 trillion to $16.4 trillion is unquestionably worse.
LA
March 8th, 2010
1:12 pm
“To think spending will ever stop is a simple minded, weak and WRONG path of thinking, it never has and never will.’
Well Jefferson, I guess I’ll see you in the sweat shops when China calls in our debt!
The American People
March 8th, 2010
1:28 pm
$7.2 Billion dollars of stimulus money working hard as we speak to get the 4% of Americans who don’t have access to High Speed Internet because of where they live the access to it. Dial up isn’t good enough for these folk according to our government so give them the money. A seperate program of $9 billion dollars of regular tax money will also soon be in the works to fight the same injustice.
emo
March 8th, 2010
1:35 pm
Anyone who’s worried about the deficit needs to call his or her Representative and Senators and demand they sponsor legislation ending the wars and repealing the two tax cuts from the previous administration IMMEDIATELY. And cancel Medicare part D.
emo
March 8th, 2010
1:54 pm
And maybe downsize the military, which is more expensive than ALL the rest of the world combined.
So, let’s see just how serious you are about the deficit.
LA
March 8th, 2010
1:55 pm
“And maybe downsize the military”
Obama already did that.
MiltonMan
March 8th, 2010
1:56 pm
Obama said hewould have the troops out within 16 months of him taking office.
Obama is more occupied with Socializing healthcare than jobs.
Obama…
Obama…
Obama…
Tyler Durden
March 8th, 2010
1:57 pm
As usual from the Reicht (I mean ‘Right’) cherry picking their info to support the argument. Invading Iraq was a solution (support Halliburton, big oil, neocons) in search of a problem (insert ever-shifting rationale here). Kyle cannot remember anything before January 2009, so he has no recollection of the trainwreck of policy blunders, deficit spending and wartime tax cuts that preceded his ‘awakening’. Of course, he’ll cite a lot of isolated components that support his ideology, but ask him to answer what happened before Obama and prepare to be underwhelmed… And the very folks who carried Bush’s water, chided anyone who questioned the legitimacy of going into Iraq, and generally ran the country into a ditch are now the same folks afraid of fixing those problems and, GASP, making actual progress.
The mantra of the Right: Never let the facts get in the way of your ideology
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:03 pm
“As usual from the Reicht”
Even though it’s the democrats who liked Hitler ie: Chamberlain.
“cherry picking their info to support the argument.”
Like Obama does on an hourly basis.
“Invading Iraq was a solution”
And we’re still there…
“Never let the facts get in the way of your ideology”
And the democrats continue to jump ship and lose elections….
Next
Robert
March 8th, 2010
2:03 pm
Some people just don’t understand republican economics.
When bush squandered a trillion-plus surplus inherited from Bill Clinton – NO PROBLEM.
When the trillion-plus bush tax cuts gave millions more to the idle rich and created the deficits we are stuck with – NO PROBLEM.
When bush wasted trillions on phony wars he started – NO PROBLEM.
When bush gave a trillion to the his bankster and Wall Street friends – NO PROBLEM.
But spending money IN America, to help working people – BIG PROBLEM!
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:06 pm
“But spending money IN America, to help working people – BIG PROBLEM!”
Unemployment is 10%. Yep, Obama sure be helpin them Americans!
emo
March 8th, 2010
2:16 pm
Actually, if your corporate cronies would hire some people, instead of making workers like me work unpaid overtime, the job situation would improve. You would be the first to say that no President creates jobs, if it were a Rethug in office.
And Obama never promised to pull all troops out at once, but maybe you should start demanding that.
emo
March 8th, 2010
2:23 pm
“And maybe downsize the military”
‘Obama already did that.’
Typical Repug lie. Only to a chickenhawk would decreasing the rate of increase be considered downsizing.
retiredds
March 8th, 2010
2:28 pm
LA, it seems your understanding of basic economics is a little soft. Unemployment at 10% did not happen just because Obama was elected president. Unemployment would be 10% no matter who was president and whatever policies were instituted. Historically the unemployment numbers follow the bottom of a recession by about eight months to a year and one half. According to most economists the recession ended sometime last summer. The unemployment numbers should begin declining over the next several months and years, but because of the depth of this recession/depression it will be gradual. Question for you, had no stimulus money from either TARP or the stimulus bill been enacted, what do you think the unemployment rate would be today? And, what would you be suggesting as a solution?
Life is a high stakes test
March 8th, 2010
2:32 pm
The simple truth is that Obama inherited a difficult sitation and has worked hard to make it permanent.
Post partisan was a joke when he picked Rham.
Spending is not the solution to all our problems.
Obama is a one trick pony who can only see a new government program, as the solution.
He is trying to govern from the left and the people are rejecting his policies.
It’s time for a change.
emo
March 8th, 2010
2:36 pm
He was elected to govern from the left by about 8 million votes and the Congress, in both ‘06 and ‘08. In the words of one of your elder statesmen,
“Elections have consequences. Until you can win one, sit down and shut up”.
Rush Limbaugh
retiredds
March 8th, 2010
2:37 pm
So, Life is a high stakes test, if you could make that change right now, who would you put in the President’s chair?
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
2:51 pm
All this is a prelude to the Repukes and Kyle demanding we, the giant generation, give up the Social Security benefits we have paid into for all our working lives. We are 70 million strong, and we will make war on anyone or anything that tries to cheat us out of the retirement money we have already paid for, in full. BOYCOTT THE AJC, BOYCOTT THE AJC, THEY WANT TO STEAL OUR SOCIAL SECURITY….BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT….TAKE THAT TO YOUR NEXT PERFORMANCE APPRAISAL KYLE.
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:54 pm
“it seems your understanding of basic economics is a little soft.”
Yeah, and Obama is an economic genius. LOL
“Unemployment at 10% did not happen just because Obama was elected president.”
Never said it was. Your words not mine.
“Unemployment would be 10% no matter who was president and whatever policies were instituted.”
No it wouldn’t. Are you psychic?
“According to most economists the recession ended sometime last summer.”
Would those same “economist” happen to work for Obama?
“Question for you, had no stimulus money from either TARP or the stimulus bill been enacted, what do you think the unemployment rate would be today?”
Less than 10%. The “stimulus” didn’t do anything. Most of the stimulus was never spent. Most of that money that was spent went to unions, GM and banks. And guess what? GM is still crappy and a lot of banks still went under.
“And, what would you be suggesting as a solution?’
The same thing that has worked for 200 years. The free market always corrects itself. Government makes things worse. IE: prolonging the Great Depression.
Tall
March 8th, 2010
2:54 pm
Tyler Durden:
Can’t you come up with anything better than the stale allegory you’ve just posted? Offer a scenario if we didn’t invade Iraq. As the situation in Iraq improves, you can bet the Obama administration will take credit for everything. As for the Halliburton conspiracy, the stock should have done alot better than tread water in the $18 – 22 range. I’m not saying the political connections didn’t help, but if there was so much money to be made, why did HAL sell Kellog, Root and Brown?
What choice did W have? He was left with the “no flyover zone.” Remember that one? That wasn’t an inexpensive exercise. Former President Clinton did nothing about it. If you think a tyrant like Saddam wasn’t talking to Al Qaida, guess again.
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:55 pm
“Typical Repug lie. Only to a chickenhawk would decreasing the rate of increase be considered downsizing.”
Is that like a Democrap Lie? How about a Libtard? Maybe an Obamabot?
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:56 pm
“All this is a prelude to the Repukes and Kyle demanding we, the giant generation, give up the Social Security benefits we have paid into for all our working lives.”
I love how compassionate libs always resort to name calling. Social Security is dead. Done. Over with. Gone.
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
2:56 pm
Gen.Odierno stated today that they are on course for 50,000 troops to withdraw from Iraq by the end of next year; the Israelis and Palistinians are at the negotiating table, unemployment rates are declining……and the military has NOT been downsized………
It may be slow, but it’s happening!! Obama is trying to lead, but Congress needs to get into the game, look for the compromises, and get things gone!!!
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:56 pm
“Can’t you come up with anything better than the stale allegory you’ve just posted? ”
Ms. Durden gets her talking points from Keith Olberwoman. What do you expect?
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:57 pm
“Obama is trying to lead, but Congress needs to get into the game, look for the compromises, and get things gone!!!”
Obama doesn’t know how to lead. I guess he skipped Leading 101 at Harvard while he was smoking crack and drinking 40s.
“unemployment rates are declining”
No they’re not.
Churchill's MOM
March 8th, 2010
2:58 pm
I am absolutely convinced that we will not address the deficit as long as we have the current 2 parties in control. Each just pays off the Lobbyist that gives them money. I will vote against every incumbent in November and vote LIBERTARIAN where ever possible.
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:58 pm
“but Congress needs to get into the game, look for the compromises, and get things gone!!!’
Get things gone? Well, the democrats will be “gone” come November.
LA
March 8th, 2010
2:59 pm
“I will vote against every incumbent in November and vote LIBERTARIAN where ever possible.”
I love libertarians but there is no way in hell a Libertarian will ever win the White House. Too bad because most of them are great!
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:01 pm
LA….the free market doesn’t work in all cases; if FDR didn’t use the power of the government during the Great Depression, the nation would have been WORSE off than it was. It was a combination of the New Deal and WW2 that got the nation out of the Great Depression…….AND the nation was asked to SACRIFICE during war time via tax INCREASES….something that was NOT done in the present conflicts that we are engaged! Remember…Bush said “Keep shopping!” Please name me ONE moment in American history prior to 2002 where the nation did NOT sacrifice during war time by paying higher taxes!! And a tax cut is meaningless if one doesn’t have a JOB!!
Linda
March 8th, 2010
3:06 pm
Giant@2:52, Your social security is gone. Congress spent it, every penny of it. The AJC had nothing to do with it.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:06 pm
“if FDR didn’t use the power of the government during the Great Depression, the nation would have been WORSE off than it was.”
It was worse off because of him. He’s also a big reason why we now have term limits.
“Please name me ONE moment in American history prior to 2002 where the nation did NOT sacrifice during war time by paying higher taxes!!”
Why? I’m an advocate of cutting taxes, not raising them.
“And a tax cut is meaningless if one doesn’t have a JOB!!”
Yep, and we are re-learning what happens when you put a moron in the White House.
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:09 pm
High Stakes Test: EFFECTIVE government spending is the key…..government spending must be focused on the things that are required and what makes the nation work efficiently!!
Where was this level of OUTRAGE when Bush was doing all of this profligate spending?? Where was the OUTRAGE when the war time spending was taken OFF THE BOOKS?? There was no Tea Party protest, none from conservatives……NOTHING!!! Where was the OUTRAGE when KBR/Halliburton made millions in no-bid contracts…and American soldiers were electrocuted due to faulty wiring in KBR/Hallibutron facilities in Iraq???
That’s all I’m asking: WHY NOW…if not THEN???
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:12 pm
LA…so it’s better for one segment of the nation to sacrifice by the loss of its children and the other to prosper by not paying taxes? Is THAT what being an American citizen is???
That is what angers a lot of people….the SELFISHNESS of those with wealth!!
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:15 pm
@ LA: ….Yep, and we are re-learning what happens when you put a moron in the White House.
Glad you admitted that Bush WAS moronic……but Obama isn’t!! Obama didn’t put the war spending off the books…Obama didn’t help his cronies make millions on the war effort……Obama didn’t let the bin Laden family leave the US when the national airspace was shut down………
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:18 pm
“so it’s better for one segment of the nation to sacrifice by the loss of its children and the other to prosper by not paying taxes? Is THAT what being an American citizen is???”
You sure do like to make stuff up.
“That is what angers a lot of people….the SELFISHNESS of those with wealth!!”
Only a socialist would say that. People like you want everyone to be poor. Shame on you.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:20 pm
“Glad you admitted that Bush WAS moronic……but Obama isn’t!!”
Stupid much? I was referring to Jimmy Carter, ma’am.
“Obama didn’t help his cronies make millions on the war effort……Obama didn’t let the bin Laden family leave the US when the national airspace was shut down…”
No, he just helped his union comrades, accorn comrades and other government officials rich.
You really are a master of retardation.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:22 pm
“EFFECTIVE government spending is the key”
Yet there isn’t any. Ever.
“Where was this level of OUTRAGE when Bush was doing all of this profligate spending??”
Bush didn’t spend anything like Obama has.
“WHY NOW…if not THEN???”
Because we were not on the verge of bankruptcy. Also, your little temper tantrum isn’t going to work. Bush hurt the GOP and that’s why they lost on 2006 and in 08.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:24 pm
HDB`
You’re either in total denial or you’re just blind not to see what is coming in November. Obama is a one term president and his poll numbers have gone from 70% to 44% in one year. It’ll keep going down and so is the democrat party.
emo
March 8th, 2010
3:27 pm
HDB’, there’s no point trying to reason with LA. He will just call you names and type single lines with no backup or support.
BTW, I see no-one has addressed my original points, probably because they can’t: end the wards, repeal tax cuts and Medicare D or else you’re lying about caring about the deficit.
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:29 pm
LA…that’s what you were inferring…since this nation has NOT been called to sacrifice…only the wealthy can profit from the war while the poor and middle class send their sons and daughters off to fight….and over 4000 have died in this nation’s defense!!
It’s not retarded to point that out….it’s what you are advocating!! And it IS SELFISH!! I don’t want everyone to be poor, but in time of war/conflict, ALL of the nation must bear a sacrifice…that INCLUDES those with wealth!!
Jimmy Carter wasn’t a moron; he was what George W. Bush CLAIMED to be: a Christian who tried to do what was right!! Under Carter’s Administration, government spending was flat…deficits were only $46B per year…….and R&D for the preponderance of the smart technology used by the Defense Department was FUNDED under Carter.
Remember: Bush was just a “C” student at Yale………not the brightest light bulb on the sign……
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:31 pm
“He will just call you names and type single lines with no backup or support.”
Although I didn’t call him any names. I just asked him if he was stupid.
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:33 pm
LA…wait a minute..all this war time spending was OFF the BOOKS….so we don’t know actually HOW MUCH was spent……and you’re saying Obama is spending too much money?? Obama has put the war spending ON the books…so at least we KNOW what’s being spent……plus he’s spending on what NEEDS to be spent…not just allowing your pals to get richer!!!
Illogical……..
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:33 pm
“that’s what you were inferring”
No, you have a big problem assuming things about people. It must be why you vote democrat.
“and over 4000 have died in this nation’s defense!!’
Yep, and we are safer for their sacrifice. 3000 people died on 911. Want to politicize them?
“Jimmy Carter wasn’t a moron”
Yes he was. Science has proved it.
“Remember: Bush was just a “C” student at Yale………not the brightest light bulb on the sign…’
As was John Kerry and Al Gore. Your point?
emo
March 8th, 2010
3:34 pm
Only a socialist would say that.
Stupid much? I was referring to Jimmy Carter
You really are a master of retardation
Yep, and we are re-learning what happens when you put a moron in the White House
Of course you don’t call people names.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:35 pm
“not just allowing your pals to get richer!!!”
Again, you assume. You assume that my pals are rich. If you know so much about me then please inform us who I am friends with.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:36 pm
“Of course you don’t call people names.”
Political leaders are free-reign on name calling. Just ask HDB who called Bush a moron.
I didn’t know “socialist” was a bad word considering democrat voters tend to be lazy and want to live off of welfare…
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:37 pm
“plus he’s spending on what NEEDS to be spent’
Yes, because teachers unions and auto unions need more money! LOL
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:38 pm
LA…I have no problem with divided government IF it WORKS!! It did under Clinton; it can work here!! When one party — EITHER party has total control, they extent further than is needed!! The problem is that the GOP only looks after those with wealth while neglecting the rest of the nation….and the Democrats look after the poor and middle class to the detriment (at times) of those with wealth!! In WAR, the ENITRE nation MUST sacrifice……not just those who send their sons and daughters to fight!! Out of 535 Congressmen…..only 5% have sent their sons off to fight…..and less that 1% of those with wealth have done so!! THAT’S SELFISH!!
no…I’m not stupid….I remember my history…..and LEARNED from it!!
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:38 pm
“BTW, I see no-one has addressed my original points, probably because they can’t: end the wards, repeal tax cuts and Medicare D or else you’re lying about caring about the deficit.”
It wouldn’t matter if anyone addressed your “points” because you would proceed to say that we all get our news from Faux News.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:41 pm
“It did under Clinton’
That’s because BJ Bill had no choice. The GOP tied his hands.
“The problem is that the GOP only looks after those with wealth while neglecting the rest of the nation….and the Democrats look after the poor and middle class to the detriment (at times) of those with wealth!!”
Yep, the GOP wants everyone to be rich and the Democrats want everyone to be poor.
“Out of 535 Congressmen…..only 5% have sent their sons off to fight…..and less that 1% of those with wealth have done so!! THAT’S SELFISH!!”
Did you serve? If not, then you are selfish.
“no…I’m not stupid….I remember my history…..and LEARNED from it!!”
Nice, you’re one step up from a Chimp. I guess evolution did work out for you.
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:41 pm
LA….you inferred that Bush was a moron by the word “re-learning”; I just made it concrete!!
ALL Democratic voters do NOT live on welfare and are lazy; the majority of us WORK…and work HARD!! Those who educate children work HARD; those who put cars together wortk HARD; those who serve the public work HARD…..and many of them are Democrats!!
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:42 pm
…and I AM a veteran….served in the Navy!!
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:44 pm
LA…the GOP only wants their FRIENDS to be rich…not everybody! IF that were the case, why don’t they assist those who WANT to be rich to BE rich rather than hoarding it all!!???
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:44 pm
“you inferred that Bush was a moron by the word “re-learning”
Can’t read can you?
“ALL Democratic voters do NOT live on welfare and are lazy”
Didn’t say all democrat voters. Just the majority and yes they do live on welfare.
“…and I AM a veteran….served in the Navy!!”
You served in Old Navy.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:46 pm
“the GOP only wants their FRIENDS to be rich…not everybody!”
Do you realize how ignorant that statement is? The democrats are rich. Every single democrat congressman serving is rich.
“why don’t they assist those who WANT to be rich to BE rich rather than hoarding it all!!???”
Are you referring to Shinquita and Menthol who live on the south side of Chicago?
retiredds
March 8th, 2010
3:49 pm
LA, two items. I can say that unemployment would be 10% no matter who is president because that’s my assessment. Your assumption that it would not is also an assessment. Neither one of us can prove our points other than to look at historical data. I don’t think the “free market” corrected itself in 1929-1935. As a matter of fact FDR wanted to balance the budget then but when his Treasury Secretary recommended cutting the money supply there was a second dip and that’s when FDR moved on the NRA, CCC, and other programs.
Yes, I agree that the free market would correct itself if given enough time and the unemployment rate doesn’t go above 15% for a protracted period of time. I don’t know who Obama’s enconomists are but there are many, mostly conservative in their fiscal and economic policy views, who have said without the two programs (yes, two, the TARP funds that GWB initiated that went to banks, insurance companies, and auto companies, and the stimulus program under BO) the unemployment rate would be much higher and if you throw in the underemployment rate and those who have given up looking for a job, it is not a stretch to be looking at 25%-30% and those are Depression-like numbers. If there is a lot of screaming about 10%, and about 17% with underemployed and those not looking for jobs, there would be riots in the streets, to say the least. Also it would add more credence to your arguments if you were a little more dispassionate. I apologize for being a moron because I disagree with you. But if I am moron in your eyes, so be it. At times like this it’s fun being a moron.
emo
March 8th, 2010
3:49 pm
Bush WAS (and is a moron), no doubt why you worship him.
And I’ll bet you DO get your “news” from the liars at Fox. If you ever watched anything else you’d know they lie.
emo
March 8th, 2010
3:50 pm
You’re right about one thing: unemployment would not be 10%. Under McCain, we’d be in a full-fledged Depression with 25% unemployment.
Jefferson
March 8th, 2010
3:52 pm
GOP sheep just don’t see they are being played. Nothing is as good as it seems, nothing is as bad.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:52 pm
“But if I am moron in your eyes, so be it. At times like this it’s fun being a moron.”
No retiredds, you’re not a moron.
Linda
March 8th, 2010
3:54 pm
HDB@3:38, How was the war time spending off the books? How did BO put it on the books? How did we not know how much was being spent until he did?
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:54 pm
“Bush WAS (and is a moron), no doubt why you worship him.’
You mean like Obama supporters who put “Hope” stickers on their cars and talk about how he is the savior of the world? Nah, I just think Bush should have been more vocal about things.
“And I’ll bet you DO get your “news” from the liars at Fox.”
Yep, I pretty much figured you out from the beginning. If Fox employs liars then how come more people trust them than any other news organization?
I bet you have a Kieth Olberwoman poster over your bunk bed.
“If you ever watched anything else you’d know they lie.”
And you have proof that they lie? Nope, but keep throwing out DNC talking points.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:55 pm
“Under McCain, we’d be in a full-fledged Depression with 25% unemployment.”
I bet you think 911 was an inside job.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:56 pm
“GOP sheep just don’t see they are being played.”
Too bad DNC sheep can’t see the blood bath that is headed against them in November.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:57 pm
Linda
One thing you gotta understand about HDB. The elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top, if you know what I mean. This same genius stated that Jimmy Carter was a great president.
LA
March 8th, 2010
3:59 pm
Wisconsin AG charges ACORN workers with voter fraud
Five Wisconsin residents have been charged with criminal counts of voter fraud in the November 2008 general election, state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen announced today.
Two of those charged, Maria Miles and Kevin Clancy, are workers for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the embattled community group.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Wisconsin-AG-charges-ACORN-workers-with-voter-fraud-86924587.html
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
4:04 pm
STUPID LA: Look at your last pay stub, you will see Social Security tax has been remove. It will continue to be removed, at an increasing rate. Oh, your last pay stub is two years old…LOSER.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:06 pm
“STUPID LA: Look at your last pay stub, you will see Social Security tax has been remove. It will continue to be removed, at an increasing rate. Oh, your last pay stub is two years old…LOSER.”
Awwwwwwwwwe, looks like some whittle democrat voter is angry! LOL
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:07 pm
Giant Generation is emo in disguise. Although she can’t disguise herself well.
emo
March 8th, 2010
4:08 pm
and talk about how he is the savior of the world?
Another lie. You said that, not us.
how come more people trust them than any other news organization?
Because they’re blind.
Nope, but keep throwing out DNC talking points.
Better than RNC talking points. At least ours make sense.
And I knew you could never address my points.
retiredds
March 8th, 2010
4:08 pm
Thanks LA. Good to banter with you. I have to leave for the day. We’ll meet again on another subject.
emo
March 8th, 2010
4:08 pm
I am nobody but who I claim to be.
Sorry you can’t take it.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:12 pm
“and talk about how he is the savior of the world?
Another lie. You said that, not us.”
That MUST be why Obama supporters were getting on tv talking about how he was going to save the world! LOL
HOPE!
“how come more people trust them than any other news organization?
Because they’re blind.”
And I’ll guess that you think PMSNBC viewers, which average about 10,000 per day, are educated! LOL
“Better than RNC talking points. At least ours make sense.”
Yep, and THAT is why the democrat party is falling apart. Yep, the democrat plan, whatever that may be, is working out great!
“And I knew you could never address my points.”
That’s because you have no point.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:14 pm
Just for you elmo, I mean emu, I mean emo.
Obama, the Fallen Messiah
During a time of economic decline, persistent cultural strife, deepening American involvement in far-off military conflicts, and rapid environmental deterioration, is there any wonder that so many Americans believe in salvation fantasies promising them both a transcendent, everlasting future and violent retribution against perceived evildoers? A 2002 CNN poll found that 59% of Americans believed that the prophecies in the Book of Revelations would come true.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/obama-the-fallen-messiah_b_404531.html
tscali
March 8th, 2010
4:14 pm
whenever government downsizes in one area they use those savings to supersize another non-essential bureacracy. get a clue people! they operate under the assumption that it is THEIR money, not ours.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:15 pm
“they operate under the assumption that it is THEIR money, not ours.”
But according to HDB, it IS their money. After all, rich people are evil!!!! LOL
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:16 pm
emo, here is another example of how libs see Obama as a messiah.
Is Barack Obama the Messiah?
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:18 pm
emo, and here is another.
Farrakhan on Obama: ‘The Messiah is absolutely speaking’
‘Barack has captured the youth,’ will bring about ‘universal change’
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, another powerful Chicago-based political figure associated with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and other long-time associates of Democratic Party presidential candidate Barack Obama, is leaving no doubt about what he thinks of the leader in the campaign for the White House.
He says when Obama talks “the Messiah is absolutely speaking.”
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:19 pm
emo, here is yet…another
Obama the Messiah is going to produce profound disillusion
There is a video clip running on YouTube at the moment which shows a black woman moved nearly to tears at an Obama rally, telling a television interviewer that all her problems will be at an end when he is elected president. She won’t have to worry anymore about putting gas in her car or paying her mortgage because “he will help me”.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/janetdaley/5633493/Obama_the_Messiah_is_going_to_produce_profound_disillusion/
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
4:25 pm
Fetch me my double Jack on the rocks, boy, er LA…make it snappy, we own you and your whole worthless generation….chop chop BOY.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:26 pm
“Fetch me my double Jack on the rocks, boy, er LA…make it snappy, we own you and your whole worthless generation….chop chop BOY.”
Sorry, I am not a member of NAMBLA. Maybe I should report you to the cops.
emo
March 8th, 2010
4:29 pm
A 2002 CNN poll found that 59% of Americans believed that the prophecies in the Book of Revelations would come true.
Besides that being from Bush’s era, they are undoubtedly Republicans.
@@
March 8th, 2010
4:30 pm
It looks like the CBO will never find that same page that Obama’s reading from in his “history” book.
Another thing….it looks like Massa is wanting to “come out” in more ways than one. Whistleblower and I’ll just leave it at that.
Things just get more and more interesting with each turn of the page.
Obama is not making history, he’s on his way to being history.
He blew it!
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
4:32 pm
LA is a bar boy at the Atlanta Country Club, working for tips only. What a loser….Fetch bar boy, fetch…
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:32 pm
“Besides that being from Bush’s era, they are undoubtedly Republicans.”
Oh, so now you’re going to bash Christians?
emo
March 8th, 2010
4:33 pm
Linda, you asked an intelligent question that deserves an answer:
Neither war was ever put into the budget. If you remember, they were always funded under repeated emergency bills that do not count as budget.
Obama put them into the budget, which makes it look worse than it was, but at least accurate. I think they also started valuing Medicare part D at the $700 billion that it is, not the $400 billion we were promised by Congress before 2006.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:33 pm
“LA is a bar boy at the Atlanta Country Club, working for tips only. What a loser….Fetch bar boy, fetch…”
Seriously, is that the BEST cut down you can think of???????????
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
4:34 pm
LA is sorry he is not a member of NAMBLA, apparently even they have some standards which that sorry excuse for a human could not meet.
emo
March 8th, 2010
4:34 pm
Oh, so now you’re going to bash Christians?
Actually, I thought that was what you were doing.
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
4:35 pm
That sobbing you hear coming from the coat closet is LA, the cry baby. Will someone please change its diaper?
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:37 pm
“”LA is sorry he is not a member of NAMBLA, apparently even they have some standards which that sorry excuse for a human could not meet.
??????????????????
You have no idea what NAMBLA is do you?
NAMBLA is a group of pedophiles who rape little boys. You just admitted that they have standards which makes you a complete creep.
You are a horrible human being.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:38 pm
“Actually, I thought that was what you were doing.”
When?
Jefferson
March 8th, 2010
4:39 pm
LA – I for one could care less if the ‘D’s lose seats. I just know the “R’s have NOTHING to offer. Go sell your “hope” to somebody who is buying.
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
4:40 pm
How does LA know so much about NAMBLA? Is he/she/it the recruiting coordinator for NAMBLA in Atlanta? Quick, someone call the cops….
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:40 pm
“Go sell your “hope” to somebody who is buying”
But that’s your guy’s marketing slogan. Tell your messiah Obama to change it if you don’t like it.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:41 pm
“That sobbing you hear coming from the coat closet is LA, the cry baby. Will someone please change its diaper?”
No, actually that screaming is coming from the little boys you keep in your basement.
CJ
March 8th, 2010
4:42 pm
Once again, I agree with Kyle’s math, but I question his analysis.
First, Bill Clinton inherited Reagan/Bush deficits, and projections for years after he came into office were for continued deficits for as far as the eye could see. In addition, G.W. Bush and Dick “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter” Cheney were operating at a time the CBO were projecting surpluses for as far as the eye could see. In short, these projections can and will respond to the policies actually implemented over time to reflect current conditions.
Second, Kyle writes, “… we will average a $1 trillion deficit over the next 10 years, after never breaching $1 trillion a single time before Bush’s final budget.” Emphasis mine.
Third, Kyle compares the projected spending of the federal government as a percentage of GDP under Obama with the average size of the federal government over the last 40 years. Since Bush is responsible for growing the federal government significantly faster than his predecessors, I’d be curious to this comparison with the most recent government under Bush/Cheney. (Surely Obama can’t be held responsible for the growth in government associated with the baby boomers, Bush’s Medicare Part D, exponentially accumulating compound interest charges arising out of the Bush/Cheney debt, or temporary spending measures implemented to pull us out of the Bush/Cheney recession.)
Finally, as Kyle pointed out, the CBO estimates that Obama’s proposals would be responsible for increasing the debt by $3.8 trillion over ten years (the rest would result from entitlement growth, debt and interest rate growth, and wars and the economy that Obama inherited). Observe that $3.8 trillion is a lower number than the $5 trillion or so that Bush added to our debt in less eight years after inheriting a growing surplus.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:42 pm
“How does LA know so much about NAMBLA?”
Because I saw you on tv getting arrested at your NAMBLA quarterly meeting.
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
4:45 pm
LA is a pervert, someone report him/her/it…..
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:47 pm
“I for one could care less if the ‘D’s lose seats. I just know the “R’s have NOTHING to offer.”
Sure you care if the democrats lose seats. The GOP does have ideas, they’re just overshadowed by the media who tells its followers of obamabots that the GOP doesn’t have any ideas.
Tell a lie long enough and democrat voters will believe it.
LA
March 8th, 2010
4:47 pm
Giant Generation is a pervert, someone report him/her/it…..
Intown
March 8th, 2010
4:53 pm
None of this deficit spending would be necessary if Bush hadn’t totaly screwed up America’s priorities with (1) continuing lax financial regulation and poor regulation of the economy in general; (2) sending the budget into deficit hell by ramming through unnecessary tax cuts via Reconciliation and uncontrolled spending on NEW entitlement programs; and (3) pissing America’s blood and treasure away on Iraq rather than fighting Al Qaeda. What America spends on Iraq in a week could bail several major American cities COMPLETELY out of debt.
Piso Mojado
March 8th, 2010
4:54 pm
LA has 55 posts. Wholly Mackeral!!!! And not one of them says much of anything. If ever there was a definition for “Get a Life”, I guess this is it.
Anywho, Republicans have ideas? Oh, really? Let’s hear a couple of them. The mindset of conservative bloggers parallels that of Republican national leadership. All they feed us is a steady diet of misplaced blame, irrational idealogically-driven poorly researched half-truths, and accusatory nonsensical jibberish.
Allen
March 8th, 2010
5:02 pm
It should be noted that budget projections are notoriously unreliable somewhere in the course of this debate.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:03 pm
“LA has 55 posts. Wholly Mackeral!!!! And not one of them says much of anything. If ever there was a definition for “Get a Life”, I guess this is it.”
And here you are responding to me. You telling me to get a life is funny because here you are…..responding to me. Nice.
“Anywho, Republicans have ideas? Oh, really? Let’s hear a couple of them.”
On what subject?
“All they feed us is a steady diet of misplaced blame, irrational idealogically-driven poorly researched half-truths, and accusatory nonsensical jibberish.”
That does indeed sum up obamabots. Blame blame blame…..
“accusatory nonsensical jibberish”
Yeah mean like “it’s Bush’s fault?” Yep, talk about DNC talking points.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:05 pm
“And not one of them says much of anything.”
Sure they do. They all say that democrats are in trouble, Obama is a one-term president and liberals worship Obama.
Jefferson
March 8th, 2010
5:08 pm
Talk about dilutional paranoid behaviour.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:08 pm
“All they feed us is a steady diet of misplaced blame”
Example: Blame Bush, blame republicans, blame banks, blame Wall Street, blame rich people, blame white people, blame Christians………
“irrational idealogically-driven poorly researched half-truths”
Ex: “The economy will tank if we don’t get health care passed this year.” -B Hussein Obama Feb 2009.
“nonsensical jibberish.”
Ex: Yes we can! Change we can believe in!
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:09 pm
“Talk about dilutional paranoid behaviour.”
Talk about bad grammar.
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
5:13 pm
LA is a pervert HECKLER, out to trash this blog…Kyle needs to terminate LA, with extreme prejudice. Make it so….
HDB
March 8th, 2010
5:15 pm
Linda @ 3:54: Bush took the cost of the war off the books by using accounting tricks to hide the TRUE costs of the war. Obama went back to original accounting usage from the government!!
LA: My elevator works quite well….and thanks for the compliment. I HAVE evolved…from being an unknowledgable non-political person to an educated, knowledgable, fact-driven, REGISTERED VOTER! There are some who have yet to evolve….still remaining in the Prehistoric eras…voting against their best interests in order to maintain the status quo….
Evolution is a wonderful thing…….
No More Progressives!
March 8th, 2010
5:15 pm
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
4:40 pm
How does LA know so much about NAMBLA? Is he/she/it the recruiting coordinator for NAMBLA in Atlanta? Quick, someone call the cops….
Anyone who pays attention to current events knows who the perverted felons at NAMBLA are. The ACLU has defended them! Liberals rejoice!!!
http://old.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200402270920.asp
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:18 pm
Giant Generation is a pervert HECKLER, out to trash this blog…Kyle needs to terminate Giant Generation , with extreme prejudice. Make it so….
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:18 pm
Evolution is a wonderful thing…….called a theory.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:19 pm
No More Progressives!
Giant Generation is fun to mess with. She’s so easy.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:20 pm
“from being an unknowledgable non-political person to an educated, knowledgable, fact-driven, REGISTERED VOTER!”
If you are so educated, then why can’t you spell simple words?
Also, you never post facts, only democrat talking points.
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
5:21 pm
You are on the trash heap of this blog LA, you just don’t know it yet.
Jefferson
March 8th, 2010
5:21 pm
Read like a book.
emo
March 8th, 2010
5:21 pm
NAMB-LA, you have become tedious. My unpaid overtime is done and I am outta here.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:22 pm
You are on the trash heap of this blog Giant Generation, you just don’t know it yet.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:22 pm
“Read like a book.”
Yet you can’t spell.
HDB
March 8th, 2010
5:23 pm
LA….I did NOT say Carter was a great President; Carter was an average President. The nation didn’t suffer as greatly as it did under Bush 43…..and he attempted to use negotiation prior to the failed mission in Iran. The ecomony wasn’t as bad as people continue to play it as being…for credit was much easier to obtain than it is now!! Carter’s deficits were FLAT for his four years in office — WITH a Democratic Congress…averaging $46B.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:23 pm
“NAMB-LA, you have become tedious. My unpaid overtime is done and I am outta here.”
BINGO!!!!
emo is Giant Generation!
HDB
March 8th, 2010
5:24 pm
…and BTW, I served in the UNITED STATES NAVY……..
Please acknowledge what veterans have done in the defense of this nation rather than to disparage their service!!
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:27 pm
“The nation didn’t suffer as greatly as it did under Bush 43″
That MUST be why Carter lost in a landslide! Yep, Carter was awesome!!!!
“The ecomony wasn’t as bad as people continue to play it as being…for credit was much easier to obtain than it is now!!”
Yes it was. It was terrible. Inflation was high, gas was $4/gallon. He was a MORON.
Credit was easier to obtain???????????? Geez dude, of course it was. There weren’t as many credit card companies around and they didn’t charge what they charge now. Plus, people paid with cash more than they do now.
You sure you’re smart?
“WITH a Democratic Congress…averaging $46B.’
And he lost it all in 1980.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:27 pm
“Please acknowledge what veterans have done in the defense of this nation rather than to disparage their service!!”
I have and always do. You should do the same.
HDB
March 8th, 2010
5:28 pm
Evloutin is more than a theory…..the VERB means to change…to make different and possibly BETTER!! That’s what I am……
I have posted facts….you just deny that my facts differ from yours….and my reaction to what you feel were positives, in my life, were negatives….and vice-versa!!
I can spell…but my typing needs a bit more work…….and I do admit to my foibles, sir!!
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:29 pm
“My unpaid overtime is done and I am outta here.’
I guess that means your shift is over at McDonalds.
HDB
March 8th, 2010
5:29 pm
LA…I do..but you failed to acknowledge MY service!! Claiming that I served in OLD Navy disparages what I’ve sacrificed in the defense of this nation…….
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:30 pm
“Evloutin is more than a theory…..the VERB means to change…to make different and possibly BETTER!! That’s what I am……”
And still…..you can’t spell the word you believe in. LOL
“I have posted facts’
No, you’ve posted your own opinions.
“I can spell”
That MUST explain why you’ve misspelled several words today.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:31 pm
“but you failed to acknowledge MY service!! ”
1: You’re a faceless blogger who claims to be a serviceman.
2: You claim to be an educated man yet you misspell common words.
Bottom line: I don’t believe you.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:32 pm
“Claiming that I served in OLD Navy disparages what I’ve sacrificed in the defense of this nation…….”
You’re a blogger, HDB. For all I know, you’re some hillbilly from south Georgia who sits in his mom’s trailer all day.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:34 pm
“Listen, he’s a nice person, he’s very articulate,” this is what’s going to be used against him, “but he couldn’t sell watermelons to –”
-Dan Rather on Chris Matthews show.
I guess Dan Rather is a racist.
HDB
March 8th, 2010
5:35 pm
Carter lost due to the hostage crisis in Iran….not the economy. Gasoline was NOT $4.00/gallon!! Under the Carter Administration, gasoline was sold by the LITER…and the average cost was $.365/liter…which converts to almost $1.30/gallon. Inflation was high, but that was due to the Fed’s devaluing the dollar prior to 1977. Carter inherited Nixon’s malaise and Ford’s stewardship!! There were just as many credit card companies then as now….what has happened is that the BANKS have consolidated…and rather than serving their regional concerns, they became NATIONAL in scope. Prior to 1981, the main international bank were Citibank and Chase Manhattan; now look at the scope of the banks………
Carter was a good man in a storm….and the nation doesn’t want good men in the White House…..
Jefferson
March 8th, 2010
5:37 pm
Duckhead, sic.
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:39 pm
“Carter lost due to the hostage crisis in Iran….not the economy.”
WRONG!!!!!!
“Gasoline was NOT $4.00/gallon!!”
Right and next you’ll tell me that Jimmy Carter didn’t propose gas rationing.
“Carter inherited Nixon’s malaise and Ford’s stewardship!! ”
HA!!!!! Blame blame blame!!!!!!
“There were just as many credit card companies then as now”
No there were not.
“Carter was a good man in a storm”
Carter was a buffoon who hates Jews.
“and the nation doesn’t want good men in the White House…..”
????????????????????
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:40 pm
Jefferson
Keep the insults coming pal! I can’t wait for you to slip up and call me a curse word!
HDB
March 8th, 2010
5:40 pm
LA….I’m no more than I am; it’s useless to lie about my life, for I’ve lived it!!
I HAVE posted facts…but if you decide not to believe another perspective, that’s your loss!! Everyone…least of all, ME…is not perfect….and I don’t claim to be….so if you are looking for perfection…..you need to look elsewhere!!
LA…I know that you are so myopic that you won’t look at an opposing view to see where common ground is; you would vote AGAINST something so that you can maintain the status quo….and deny someone else the similar opportunity. To me, that’s more than selfish..that’s SAD…and unAmerican!!
Have a good day; I ALWAYS DO!!
LA
March 8th, 2010
5:45 pm
“I HAVE posted facts”
No, you’ve posted your opinion. You’ve yet to SHOW any proof of any of your made up bs.
“I know that you are so myopic that you won’t look at an opposing view to see where common ground is”
And I know that you are a lying little person who makes up bs to promote his dependence on welfare.
“you would vote AGAINST something so that you can maintain the status quo”
As would you.
“and deny someone else the similar opportunity.”
That makes no sense.
“To me, that’s more than selfish..that’s SAD…and unAmerican!!”
This coming from someone who wants to take money away from other people.
“Have a good day; I ALWAYS DO!!”
I’m sure you do. You sit and waste taxpayer money.
HDB
March 8th, 2010
6:41 pm
Wow…a Republican ADMITS that his party uses fear tactics to win elections…..how NOVEL!!
McConnell doesn’t like GOP pitch based on fear
WASHINGTON — The Senate’s top Republican says he didn’t like a recent GOP appeal to party donors that was based on stoking fear and negative feelings toward President Barack Obama and other Democrats.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky says he doesn’t understand why anyone thought such an appeal would help the GOP.
The pitch last month to Republican fundraisers included a direct call to exploit “extreme negative feelings” toward Democrats. In the presentation, Obama was depicted as “The Joker” and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as Cruella De Vil.
McConnell tells ABC’s “This Week” that it’s up to the Republican National Committee to hold someone responsible for the controversial appeal. He says, “I don’t like it and I don’t know anybody who does.”
DNC's a sham
March 8th, 2010
6:50 pm
HDB, so what? Democrats do the exact same thing.
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
6:57 pm
A lynch mob is forming outside the ajc, demanding to know where LA lives…hang him high boys, hand him high…
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
7:05 pm
OH, LA’s mommy said “beddy bye baby doll” and LA has been put down for the night, with his/her/its nite light on to keep the boogy man away! I picture Cartman’s mom.
LA
March 8th, 2010
7:08 pm
“A lynch mob is forming outside the ajc, demanding to know where LA lives…hang him high boys, hand him high…”
So, Robert Byrd and other democrats are outside wanting to hang people?
LA
March 8th, 2010
7:08 pm
OH, Giant Generation mommy said “beddy bye baby doll” and Giant Generation has been put down for the night, with his/her/its nite light on to keep the boogy man away! I picture Cartman’s mom.
LA
March 8th, 2010
7:10 pm
“A lynch mob is forming outside the ajc, demanding to know where LA lives…hang him high boys, hand him high…”
Giant Generation has the grammar skills of a special ed kid in the 2nd grade.
LA
March 8th, 2010
7:11 pm
I bet Obama will remain silent on this. He hates Africa and pretends to be a Christian.
Appeals for calm after Nigerian sectarian slaughter
JOS, Nigeria (AFP) – UN chief Ban Ki-moon and Washington led calls for restraint on Monday after the slaughter of more than 500 Christians in Nigeria, as survivors told how the killers chopped down their victims.
Funerals took place for victims of the three-hour orgy of violence on Sunday in three Christian villages close to the northern city of Jos, blamed on members of the mainly Muslim Fulani ethnic group.
While troops were deployed to the villages to prevent new attacks, security forces detained 95 suspects but faced bitter criticism over how the killers were able to go on the rampage at a time when a curfew was meant to be in force.
Media reported that Muslim residents of the villages in Plateau state had been warned by phone text message, two days prior to the attack, so they could make good their escape before the exit points were sealed off.
Survivors said the attackers were able to separate the Fulanis from members of the rival Berom group by chanting ‘nagge’, the Fulani word for cattle. Those who failed to respond in the same language were hacked to death.
One local paper said the gangs shouted Allah Akhbar (God is Great) before breaking into homes and setting them alight in the early hours of Sunday. Churches were among the buildings that were burned down.
The Vatican led a wave of outrage with spokesman Federico Lombardi expressing the Roman Catholic Church’s “sadness” at the “horrible acts of violence”.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100308/wl_afp/nigeriaunrest
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
7:17 pm
LA just committed suicide…Good…The world is a better place…
Giant Generation
March 8th, 2010
7:18 pm
People are dancing on their roofs over the death of LA…..
Giant Generation's brother who happens to be her husband
March 8th, 2010
7:30 pm
Giant Generation just committed suicide…Good…The world is a better place…
Giant Generation's brother who happens to be her husband
March 8th, 2010
7:31 pm
People are dancing on their roofs over the death of Giant Generation …..
HDB
March 8th, 2010
7:41 pm
@ DNC…but the problem is that Republicans make anyone that’s NOT like them the enemy…..look at how Karl Rove did to John McCain in 2000; look at what the GOP did in ‘88 with Willie Horton…….
DNC's a sham
March 8th, 2010
7:57 pm
@ HDB, you wrote: but the problem is that Republicans make anyone that’s NOT like them the enemy…..look at how Karl Rove did to John McCain in 2000; look at what the GOP did in ‘88 with Willie Horton…….
Ok, and I will say: Look at the blue dogs and how Rahm Emanuel attacked Masa in the shower. Look at what liberal democrats did to Geraldine Feraro.
I think it’s interesting that you seem to only point the finger at Republicans when the Democrats do the exact same thing.
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
7:59 pm
retiredds
March 8th, 2010
2:28 pm
had government not stepped in… our recession would have lasted only 18 months like all previous recessions, and we would have recovered by now… check out the difference between the 1920 recession, and the 1929 recession.. in 1920 no government intervention and was over in 18 months, 1929, we had government intervention and took over a decade to recover.. no government involvement and recessions are over in 18 months period!!
samuel
March 8th, 2010
8:00 pm
Kyle, this debt train started rolling with Ronald Reagan and grew with the 2 Bushes. National debt and budget deficits were also projected to rise under Bill Clinton, but thanks to PAYGO (passed by Democratic majorities in Congress in 1990), we had budget surpluses and a reduction of the national debt as a % of GDP. In 2000, the CBO projected budget surpluses in the trillions leading up to 2010, but Bush 43 and the Republicans in Congress frittered that away. So the CBO isn’t always right. The supply-side economic policies practiced by the last 3 Republican presidents have exploded budget deficits and national debt. As long as Obama dosen’t follow the same policies, things should be under control.
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:04 pm
@ DNC….my point is that when the Democrats do it, more often than not, they throw themselves under the bus…..when the GOP does it, they throw ANYBODY under the bus!! You won’t hear me say that neither side doesn’t do it…of course they do…but the GOP is a bit more egrigious with it!!!
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
8:06 pm
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:09 pm
ITs better that there is outrage now, than later… if we were to remain complacent, then the government would keep stripping us our rights… take a gander at the patriot act ??
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
8:07 pm
emo
March 8th, 2010
3:50 pm
Our actual unemployment rate is a little over 17% but I would not expect you to understand that at all!!
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:08 pm
…and Kyle, didn’t Obama attempt to go BACK to PAYGO….but the GOP maintained their “NO” stance and didn’t go along with him???
DNC's a sham
March 8th, 2010
8:09 pm
@ HDB, you wrote: but the GOP is a bit more egrigious with it!!!
Not sure what egirgious means. Maybe you misspelled it or something. Anyway, no, the Democrats do it all the time. Nancy and Harry have thrown many democrats under the bus. Obama himself threw Gov. Patterson(NY) under the bus a few months ago. Your point is really hypocritical to say the least.
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
8:10 pm
HDB`
March 8th, 2010
3:44 pm
You served in the Navy right ?? You can get VA loans at a very low rate, not to mention the G.I. Bill can help you get a better education.. wealth is attained by hard work, it is never given to someone… unless you were born rich, then you could inherit it!
DNC's a sham
March 8th, 2010
8:11 pm
@ HDB
“…and Kyle, didn’t Obama attempt to go BACK to PAYGO….but the GOP maintained their “NO” stance and didn’t go along with him???”
Yes, because that “paygo idea” is ridiculous. Obama doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s doing and it’s making the American people angry. It’s exactly why Democrats will lose this November.
DNC's a sham
March 8th, 2010
8:12 pm
atlshirt.com
HDB wrote that rich people should have their money taken from them. This is exactly why American’s hate socialism. I don’t really think HDB served in the military because NO Navy Vet would ever talk about taking other people’s money away from them.
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:12 pm
ATLShirt….We all knew that the Patriot Act was a GOP grab on our civil liberties….and many people fell for it! Those who protested against it were called traitors and unAmerican…..but the volume was not nearly as cacaphonous as it is now!! No tea-baqquer, no Joker-protests….NOTHING!! IMHO, the hypocracy of the right shows when the real power grab occurs by one of their own and nothing is said…but when they are NOT in power….they scream and bitch like they were facing the Texas Chain Saw Murderer….and ESPECIALLY since Obama got in!!!
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:17 pm
Whoa….what I SAID was that in times of WAR, the wealthy should sacrifice just as much as those without wealth!! I was told that tax cuts during war time was good for the nation…..I disagreed!! I asked WHEN did the nation not ask its people to sacrifice during war with a tax increase! It was done in the Revolutionary War, 1812, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam…..not until 2002 was the nation NOT asked to sacrifice during war time…and only the wealthy prospered!!
AS a Navy Vet, I wish to see our military properly funded….a tax cut during war time doesn’t accomplish that means!! THAT WAS MY ARGUMENT!!!
I DID use my GI Bill…..and I got an education……
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:19 pm
DNC…I admitted that Democrats constantly throw themselves under the bus…but the GOP throws EVERYBODY under the bus!!! THAT was also my point!!
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
8:19 pm
samuel
March 8th, 2010
8:00 pm
Clinton robbed social security to pay the surplus…
DNC's a sham
March 8th, 2010
8:21 pm
HDB wrote: but the GOP throws EVERYBODY under the bus!!! THAT was also my point!!
Not like the Democrats. I don’t know of ANY Republican who went into a shower naked and yelled at a fellow Republican.
“Rahm Emanuel is son of the devil’s spawn, Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) said. “He is an individual who would sell his mother to get a vote. He would strap his children to the front end of a steam locomotive.”
Rep. Massa describes a confrontation with Emanuel in a shower: “I am showering, naked as a jaybird, and here comes Rahm Emanuel, not even with a towel wrapped around his tush, poking his finger in my chest, yelling at me.”
- Massa
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:22 pm
To further extend my point, I said that it is SELFISH for those of wealth NOT to sacrifice during war time by getting a tax cut when the sons and daughters of the poor and middle class are sacrificed with their LIVES!! I also said that EVERYONE desires to be wealthy….but during war time, the NATION must sacrifice….THAT MEANS EVERYONE…INCLUDING THOSE WITH WEALTH!!!
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
8:23 pm
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:12 pm
you hit the nail on the head with this statement, but, try putting the shoe on the other foot ?? but instead, think of our government as a human body, the left foot equals the democrats, and the right foot equals the republicans… and the media is the mouth… now what do you think about our government ???
LA
March 8th, 2010
8:23 pm
“We all knew that the Patriot Act was a GOP grab on our civil liberties….and many people fell for it!’
Please tell us all how the PA took away anyone’s liberty. Come on socialist, tell us!
“IMHO, the hypocracy of the right shows when the real power grab occurs by one of their own and nothing is said…but when they are NOT in power….they scream and bitch like they were facing the Texas Chain Saw Murderer….and ESPECIALLY since Obama got in!!!”
Again, you can’t spell simple words. Obama is a one term president who can’t lead. He’s his own undoing. The GOP can simply sit back and watch the DNC implode.
LA
March 8th, 2010
8:24 pm
“THAT MEANS EVERYONE…INCLUDING THOSE WITH WEALTH!!!”
Spoken like a true Marxist.
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
8:24 pm
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:17 pm
Stop being so defensive, and stop attacking people who have opposing views, and things can be discussed in a more mature manner… then, problems can get worked out easily
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
8:26 pm
oh, and I too served in the US Navy
Scott
March 8th, 2010
8:26 pm
I would highly advise you have a read of the following…
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/stiglitz123/English
Deficits right now are not bad and in fact are quite necessary. It is, however, very important to focus on the return we get on government spending (infrastructure for example is a good return…bail outs, not so good).
Here in Georgia its like watching a train wreck in slow motion. They are going to cut spending, which by the way is spent in Georgia so every dollar cut is a dollar someone will not earn here, instead of raising revenue (we are dead last in per capita revenue 50th) which will in turn just make it all worse. There aint no free lunch people…you got to pay to play
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:27 pm
ATLShirt…I’m not defensive…but what I SAID is different from what I have been ATTRIBUTED to have said…and I’m correcting the fallacy!!
Glad to see a fellow squid!!
LA
March 8th, 2010
8:30 pm
Poll shows Obama, Dems losing ground
A majority of Americans say the United States is less respected in the world than it was two years ago and think President Obama and other Democrats fall short of Republicans on the issue of national security, a new poll finds.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/08/poll-obama-dems-losing-ground/
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:39 pm
The Patriot Act authorizes searches, wiretaps, and searches of bank records WITHOUT warrants…even in wartime, as an American, I want my civil liberties protected!!
From the Patriot Act: (Sec. 213) Authorizes Federal district courts to allow a DELAY of required notices of the execution of a warrant if immediate notice may have an adverse result and under other specified circumstances. (Constitutional violation of the 4th Amendment – Search and Seizure)
(Sec. 217) Makes it lawful to intercept the wire or electronic communication of a computer trespasser in certain circumstances. (Who determines the process?? The courts…or the spy??)
(Sec. 504) Amends FISA to authorize consultation among Federal law enforcement officers regarding information acquired from an electronic surveillance or physical search in terrorism and related investigations or protective measures. (Another possibility of 4th Amendment violations)
(Sec. 504) Amends FISA to authorize consultation among Federal law enforcement officers regarding information acquired from an electronic surveillance or physical search in terrorism and related investigations or protective measures. (TYitle X is used TO profile!)
There’s more…but this is the beginning! I do NOT want the government ease dropping on my calls or noting my bank transactions if I am an American citizen with the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!!
samuel
March 8th, 2010
8:43 pm
As an example Kyle, public debt was 22% of GDP in Fiscal Year 1981 (Jimmy Carter’s last budget). By FY 1989 (Reagan’s last budget), public debt was 37% of GDP. BY FY 1993 (Bush 41’s last budget), public debt was 44% of GDP. By Clinton’s last budget (FY 2001), public debt was 27% of GDP…I’ve already made too many posts about the explosion of GROSS National Debt under the last 3 Republican presidents. As I’ve said before, Obama didn’t invent deficit spending, the Republicans have perfected that art.
atlshirt.com
March 8th, 2010
8:44 pm
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:39 pm
I want to see the Patriot Act repealed as well, seeing how it is unconstitutional, but, Obama promised on the campaign trail that he would repeal it, but then after swearing in, says that the bill needs to stay a law…
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:44 pm
Good night, all…..have to prepare for tomorrow AM!!
LA
March 8th, 2010
8:46 pm
“The Patriot Act authorizes searches, wiretaps, and searches of bank records WITHOUT warrants…even in wartime, as an American, I want my civil liberties protected!!”
The only way you’re going to be watched is if you are making calls to Al Quida. Sorry HDB but that “my liberties are being taken away by the Patriot Act” doesn’t hold water.
LA
March 8th, 2010
8:47 pm
“I do NOT want the government ease dropping on my calls or noting my bank transactions if I am an American citizen with the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE!!”
Unless the government has a reason to listen to your phone calls, it’s not going to happen. Sounds to me like you’re paranoid.
The Law of the Pack
March 8th, 2010
8:50 pm
the budget was due to explode like that with or without Obama’s healthcare plan. These projections were known during the 92 campaign. The baby boomers are set to retire en masse.
This is last century’s story.
zzzzz
samuel
March 8th, 2010
9:00 pm
One more point Kyle. Obama’s last budget will br FY 2017, not FY 2020.
Churchill's MOM
March 9th, 2010
6:59 am
Looks like a few real Republican Congressmen are trying to actually get rid of earmarks for 1 year, we need to watch it and see if the Republican party actually gets it.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34071.html
Giant Generation
March 9th, 2010
8:09 am
Where were Kyle and Cindy Lou yesterday? Could there have been a big management meeting at the Urinal, in which new cut backs are announced? Is the turn around plan failing? Tell us Kyle, tell us.
Giant Generation
March 9th, 2010
8:21 am
Medicare is bankrupt, a failed Federal Government mandatory participation program that is so corrupt and full of fraud that the clowns in Baltimore are afraid to actually investigate the fraud. The private insurance companies have a tenth of the fraud that Medicare has, yet THEY are the whipping boy of the current clowns knows as the Obama Administration? It is amazing to me that the secretary of hhs dares go on National TV and say that Americans do not know what is best for them, the Administration does, and despite over 60% of Americans opposing ObamaCare, She says the program is for the American people’s own good. Amazing how these ugly women get in positions of power and think they git to speak for all Americans. You don’t, you double ugly hag, so shut up.
Spending our children into bankruptcy » Old Elephant
March 9th, 2010
8:34 am
[...] our children into bankruptcy Pairing these stories seems appropriate. The first, from the Atlanta Journal’s Kyle Wingfield provides a glimpse into federal deficits over the [...]
david wayne osedach
March 9th, 2010
8:43 am
Is there any doubt that the Chinese will become the number one economy in the world during this century?
Stupidity
March 9th, 2010
8:51 am
We all know that the Iraq war was the biggest part of Bush’s budget bust. There was also the thoroughly expensive prescription drug benefit and the surplus that was created in the 1990’s was wilting away during the recession that occurred right at the beginning of Bush’s first term and the recession following 9/11. Regardless we all know that Iraq was a major part. Does that mean that spending should continue to rise? So Republicans lost their fiscal sanity that means the Democrats can do the same? It’s ridiculous. Whether we are spending on wars or entitlement the deficits would still be massive. The money will always be spent and no real reform will happen because neither party is willing to reform spending, entitlements, and our 80,000 pages of tax code and regulation.
Charlie Cipolla
March 9th, 2010
8:54 am
Can you people please stop and listen to yourselves? Read through all the 214 posts and it’s the same pointless crap from both sides. While you are busy arguing over basically BS, the political class takes grandchildren’s standard of living away. Jeeeze, you are all idiots.
LA
March 9th, 2010
9:30 am
Another wonderful union story. No wonder Ohio is losing jobs and companies to the south.
Workers reject contract, go on strike at local plant
HARRISON TWP., Montgomery County — Union employees at Chemineer Inc., after unanimously rejecting a new three-year contract proposal from the company, are on strike. No new negotiations have been scheduled, union and company spokesmen said Monday, March 8.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/workers-reject-contract-go-on-strike-at-local-plant-586421.html
Chris Queen
March 9th, 2010
9:37 am
George Bush is no conservative, as this conservative told everyone he knows. Being a moralist A-____ is not conservatism. Spending more money on discretionary requirements than Lyndon Johnson is not conservative. The Johnson/Bush Texas sized deficits are only outdone by the Dumb Bunny up to bat right now.
Glenn
March 9th, 2010
9:55 am
Nov. 15, 2002
Dick Cheney
“Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.”
BW
March 9th, 2010
10:12 am
Why is everyone still pretending that Bush was some kind of fiscal stalwart, Kyle? It’s intellectually dishonest to suggest that these current deficits have nothing at all to do with Bush’s policies. Medicare Part D, two wars, two tax cuts…all contribute to these deficits. In addition, the Dept of Homeland Security and Transportation Security Agency were also created…we all know that it’s called discretionary spending because we are not taxed to provide income for these programs. In addition, defense spending is higher than it was during Vietnam. Let’s not keep pretending that the services we demand as citizens without them being paid for has nothing to do with this…that earmarks and foreign aid elimination will balance the budget without any tax increases or spending cuts. But sides are guilty…conservative and liberal, Democrat and Republican. Perhaps when you guys retake both houses in November you will force some hard decisions…I’m betting you won’t. Can you even really name one example of entitlement cuts under a Republican Congress? How many of those pillars from the Contract with America were really implemented? Ideology is ideology but the people that end up elected are cowards…plain and simple…let’s call the spade a spade. For all this talk of conservatism, how many true conservatives are elected? I’ve seen plenty of social conservatism but no economic conservatism. I would like an answer to the President’s questions yesterday…when is a good time to address entitlements? Who will do it? This conversation has been going on since the Great Society was enacted by LBJ and every Republican president since has added a major government program. I appreciate that you have your principles to stand on and that you make well-reasoned arguments but that message gets lost when people get to Washington…I just wish that fact could be acknowledged.
BREAKING NEWS FROM ABC
March 9th, 2010
10:14 am
Black Barbie Sold for Less Than White Barbie at Walmart Store
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/black-barbie-sold-white-barbie-walmart-store/story?id=10045008
No More Progressives!
March 9th, 2010
10:25 am
HDB
March 8th, 2010
8:12 pm
ATLShirt….We all knew that the Patriot Act was a GOP grab on our civil liberties….and many people fell for it! Those who protested against it were called traitors and unAmerican…..
The why did Little Barry Sotoero and his administration just renew it?
If you’re so concerned with “civil liberties,” what do you think about the Mayor of New York City mandating how people can and cannot each their fried chicken? Where does he get the authority to do this?
No More Progressives!
March 9th, 2010
10:30 am
Charlie Cipolla
March 9th, 2010
8:54 am
Can you people please stop and listen to yourselves? Read through all the 214 posts and it’s the same pointless crap from both sides. While you are busy arguing over basically BS, the political class takes grandchildren’s standard of living away. Jeeeze, you are all idiots.
Thank you for your brilliant repartee.
In this country, people are free (at least, right now) to act like idiots, if they desire.
Fred P.
March 9th, 2010
10:33 am
It figures – once someone writes a piece using somewhat objective sources, the self-proclaimed pundits and experts emerge and immediately degenerate into the name-calling.
The points are:
1. Obama’s spending has FAR outstripped Bush’s spending.
2. Congress has been under the control of the Democrats since the last two years of Bush’s presidency.
3. While under the Democrats’ control, Congress sat around and did NOTHING during Bush’s presidency.
4. Only Congress can pass budget/spending bills – so any comments about Bush’s excessive spending have to go right back to the source… the Democrat-controlled Congress.
Bottom line – it’s the scum-sucking liberals that are gonna tank this country (helped by the Republicans – who I can’t even call conservative any more). Unless MAJOR changes take place this November, you won’t recognize this country in another 2 years.
CJ
March 9th, 2010
10:38 am
Kyle,
I don’t have a subscription to the WSJ, so I’m unable to read the entire article, but here’s a piece that you might want to check out if you haven’t already.
gerard
March 9th, 2010
10:54 am
1789 france historically is the model.. although the country was rich, the government due to financial excesses was broke. with a couple of years this country had undergone a violent revolution incurring the death of tens of thousands. follwing it was a dictator the emperpor napolean. this revolution is coming because of the unemployed, who will not give a damn whose in charge so long as the unemployed can feed their families. the us constitution will mean nothing other than a piece of paper. Unemployed lawyers such as myself will be drafted to create the institutions necessary to feed and clothe such people. I would readily agree to do such aproposition. the law schools would have plenty of unemployed students ready to take on this role, as the ideals of justice will be turned to those of survival I would have no problem sponsering such. i look forward to such work , although being a christian I will do everything to prevent violence and not act for discrimination In fact the workhouses and the poor laws of the 19th century england should be reinsituted by whoever is in charge of the united states the foreclosed homes , mortaged by many of the banks should be seized without compensation so that people do not have to live on the streets they can rent instead. futhermore, to prevent bloodshed and violence, the press will have to be persuaded that there is no other course. without such drastic measures, 2100 united states will be a wasteland with a popualtion of 60 million in a country like somalia or afghanistan
Danram
March 9th, 2010
11:12 am
These deficits are totally unacceptable. We are spending and borrowing our way to eventual ruin as a nation, yet nobody in the White House or in the Democrat-controlled Congress seems to care.
What needs to happen in November is that there needs to be a groundswell of Republican support, the GOP needs to take back Congress … and then they need to start ACTING LIKE REAL REPUBLICANS AGAIN!!!! From a domestic policy standpoint, George Bush and his crew were an absolute train wreck. We need a Congress who will follow the example of Jim Bunning by saying “ENOUGH!” and the be willing to take the political heat from all those special interest groups who will start wailing like stuck pigs when the gravy train is cut off. We also need a Republican Congress who will put deficit reduction above all else, and that means raising taxes. Despite what ideologues like Rush Limbaugh might say, it is simply impossible to close this massive budget deficit without raising taxes at the same time we cut spending. Anyone who says otherwise is either a fool or a liar.
Banned By Cindy
March 9th, 2010
11:27 am
Austrian economics. Individual liberty. Empire elimination. Tax overhaul. Constitutional government. States rights.
This is the way.
You think otherwise?
Then you’re complicit in the death of America and are therefore a traitor. And a cultist lemming too.
FDR started it. Obama is finishing it. Unless you do something.
Karl from Chicago
March 9th, 2010
11:28 am
It is true that deficits will be higher under President Obama than under President Bush. However, one needs to look at what causes this to be the case. The best analysis I have found was done by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3086 and http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036).
“Some critics charge that the new policies pursued by President Obama and the 111th Congress caused the huge federal budget deficits that the nation now faces. In fact, the tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the economic downturn together explain virtually the entire deficit over the next ten years (see Figure 1).
The deficit for fiscal 2009 was $1.4 trillion and, at 10 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), was the largest deficit relative to the size of the economy since the end of World War II. If current policies are continued without changes, deficits will likely approach those figures in 2010 and remain near $1 trillion a year for the next decade.
The events and policies that have pushed deficits to these high levels in the near term, however, were largely outside the new Administration’s control. If not for the tax cuts enacted during the presidency of George W. Bush that Congress did not pay for, the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that were initiated during that period, and the effects of the worst economic slump since the Great Depression (including the cost of steps necessary to combat it), we would not be facing these huge deficits in the near term.
While President Obama inherited a dismal fiscal legacy, that does not diminish his responsibility to propose policies to address our fiscal imbalance and put the weight of his office behind them. Although policymakers should not tighten fiscal policy in the near term while the economy remains fragile, they and the nation at large must come to grips with the nation’s long-term deficit problem. But we should not mistake the causes of our predicament.”
The report goes on to give a year by year budget impact for years 2009-2019 of the downturn, the TARP program, the economic recovery measures, the Bush era tax cuts and the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as AMT relief, additional debt service costs and many other line items.
While these reports were prepared by a liberal think tank it appears to base its analysis on CBO and OMB budget numbers. I welcome an alternative analysis of the budget numbers along these lines. But merely comparing the deficits under Presidents Bush and Obama is a useless exercise if you don’t look at the policy decisions that drive the deficit numbers.
Rahmbo
March 9th, 2010
1:07 pm
plus he’s spending on what NEEDS to be spent’
Yes, because teachers unions and auto unions need more money! LOL
Goldman Sachs, Fannie and Freddie too!
96 SC
March 9th, 2010
1:11 pm
Boy George and his Band of nincompoots have changed the fabric of America forever in a very negative light in both Domestic and International Relations. Boy George, the White Dove, and Darth Vader has damaged America beyond repair.
Fix-It
March 9th, 2010
1:31 pm
I wonder why the dimacrats have voted down the balanced budget amendment?
Jason
March 9th, 2010
2:29 pm
dewstarpath : You don’t know what you’re talking about. The war in Iraq has cost less then 1 trillion so far.
Sam
March 9th, 2010
3:43 pm
Way to go Kyle! You were linked on RealClearPolitics.com
Robby House
March 9th, 2010
3:46 pm
It’s interesting how the left always points to Bush era fiscal irresponsibility (it certainly wasn’t in short supply during his presidency) as a cover to justify their own brand of fiscal excess that makes the former administration’s spending look like Ebenezer Scrooge.
dewstarpath
March 9th, 2010
4:21 pm
Jason – You obviously did not read my post.
The cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was an well-known current
estimate of $687 billion. Operational costs increase with time –
and the operation has been going on for seven years now.
Nowhere did I state that the cost of the war in Iraq would be under
a certain number.
As LA stated, troops are still over there – so what kind of sense
does your post make ?
Jim
March 9th, 2010
11:22 pm
Unless there is radical reform in the way our government spends money and collects taxes then we are in for a world of hurt. Fact of the matter is that only a handful of programs make up the vast majority of the budget. They include 1. defense 2. Soc. Security 3. Medicare 4. Medicade 5. interest on the debt. Politicians can tinker around the edges and people can complain about pork barrel spending all they want, but the fact of the matter is that entitlement spending and defense is sapping America’s resources. As Americans live longer and require more Soc Sec. and Medicare the problem will only get worse, especially now that Soc. Sec. is projected to starting running deficits within the next decade. On top of all this Obama is aching to add yet one more large entitlement program to the list we already can afford. Time for people to realize that this problem is here and here to stay unless there is a major overhaual. Given the inability of congress and our presidents to make the hard choices and do what is right, don’t count on anything to change any time soon.
Irishmafia
March 10th, 2010
3:03 pm
Unbelievable !!!! Today I get a letter in the mail from the Census Bureau telling me that I will be receiving the Census form in the mail. You can’t make this stuff up. Millions of dollars wasted on a letter telling us we are getting another letter !!! These are the same idiots that will run our health care??? GOD help us all!
Irishmafia
March 10th, 2010
3:09 pm
Another brilliant Obama program. Weatherization as of Feb 2010 only 9100 homes around the country have been done yet they managed to spend 255 million dollars on the program so far (out of the 5-6 billion allocated) LA Times 2/18/10 That my fiscally conservative friends over $57,000 dollars per home! and worse employed only 2% of the workforce the Obamamites have said it would. Government at it’s finest!
Irishmafia
March 10th, 2010
3:17 pm
The USA is in a financial hole so deep no light will ever penetrate, yet our government manages to find grant money ( only 20 million dollars) to fund a children’ television program in Pakistan to teach their kids problem solving skills and critical thinking skills. (grants .gov) something our own students are woefully lacking in. HMM lets see 20 million dollars to fund 400 USA jobs paying $50,000 ea or 20 million to send to a friendly nation -maybe?/enemy for a TV show.You see which one the Obama administration chose.
Irishmafia
March 10th, 2010
3:31 pm
More waste. Sadly I could do this for months and never run out of material! Our government is totally out of control (no matter who is in Congress or the White House)
$4,545,000 for wood utilization research in 10 states by 19 senators and 10 representatives. This research has cost taxpayers $95.3 million since 1985. One would think that after 24 years of research all the purposes for one of the world’s most basic construction materials would have been discovered.
$700,000 by Senate CJS Appropriations Subcommittee member Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green to complete a monitoring system that will collect real-time weather observations through a statewide grid of stations in Kentucky. Apparently the Weather Channel is not sufficient.
$1,240,000 for two projects for Brown Tree Snakes control and interdiction in Guam by Rep. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) and Rep. Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam). Since 1996, 14 projects worth $14.6 million have been earmarked in Hawaii and Guam for interdiction of Brown Tree Snakes, which are still slithering through the appropriations bill.
$39,700,000 by then-Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), for the Advanced Training Center. Sen. Byrd also allotted $39,700,000 for the Advanced Training Center in fiscal year 2008, bringing the two-year total of funding to $79,400,000.What is the Advanced training Center you ask? A little used duplication of the Federal Law Enforcement training Center ( Much used but nowhere overused) in Glynco GA.
Irishmafia
March 10th, 2010
3:37 pm
More waste Doesn’t even matter who is in the White House or Congress Sadly I could do this for months and never come close to running out of material. But for sure the new health care proposal will save taxpayers money and cut down on government waste LOL
$39,700,000 by then-Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), for the Advanced Training Center. Sen. Byrd also allotted $39,700,000 for the Advanced Training Center in fiscal year 2008, bringing the two-year total of funding to $79,400,000.! What is the Advanced Training Center you ask? A little used duplication of the well used but not overused Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Georgia.
$4,545,000 for wood utilization research in 10 states by 19 senators and 10 representatives. This research has cost taxpayers $95.3 million since 1985. One would think that after 24 years of research all the purposes for one of the world’s most basic construction materials would have been discovered.
$1,240,000 for two projects for Brown Tree Snakes control and interdiction in Guam by Rep. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) and Rep. Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam). Since 1996, 14 projects worth $14.6 million have been earmarked in Hawaii and Guam for interdiction of Brown Tree Snakes, which are still slithering through the appropriations bill.
PhilPhat
March 11th, 2010
12:50 am
Mr. Obama convinced us that he could handle the job of POTUS. Now that he’s in year 2 of his administration, it’s time to shut up, stop whining, and get the job done. If the deficit is 4 times what it was when he took over, it’s because of his policies – such as the $787 billion stimulus. If Mr. Obama keeps on complaining that the job is too big for him, then let him resign and let’s get an experienced grown up in the office.