How government ‘creates’ jobs

Worth a thousand words, as they say:

CrowdingOut

(H/t: Cafe Hayek)

120 comments Add your comment

HDB

February 23rd, 2010
10:19 am

So defense spending didn’t create airplanes that were converted for commercial usage? So infrastructure spending didn’t create the Interstate Highway System that allowed commercial traffic to expedite shipments coast-to-coast…and allowed business to spring forth?? So military spending didn’t create the satellite industry…and the majority of worldwide communications uses technology derived from such? In many instances, GOVERNMENT was the catalyst for private enterprise!! Don’t just say that government robs the private sector; in many cases, it’s government that HIRES the private sector!!

Real Athens

February 23rd, 2010
10:19 am

The only problem, it’s not a picture — it’s a cartoon.

Learn how to mix your metaphors.

Oh, um, how did the Interstate Highway system get built, or say Hoover Dam or the Grand Coulee Dam.

Tool.

Monroe Burbank

February 23rd, 2010
10:39 am

I know how conservatives hate facts and would rather rely on irrational ideologically-driven poorly- researched talking points (or cartoons) and misplaced blame, but I’m still going to give this a shot. President Clinton created 23 million jobs, the most of any president in the last 70 years. To put this into perspective, Jimmy Carter created 10.4 million jobs in 4 years, while the George Bushes created the whopping total of 5.5 million jobs during their collective 12 years in office. (Yeah, let’s get another Republican in the White House – quick.)

Gee, Kyle, I don’t remember too many your ilk doing ANY complaining over the 8 years when GWB created only 3 million jobs. The worst overall creation record of any president – EVER. Please go stick your head back in the job-creation sandbox (or somewhere else), where it was from 2000 – 2008.

Three cheers to Bill Clinton, the poster-child of job creation in our lifetime.

Baghdad Bob

February 23rd, 2010
10:55 am

If the cartoon were indeed a picture, and truth were the subject, then the thread-bare jobs being sewn by our Knitwit-in-chief, would be depleting the fabric from the private sector’s skirt, not the shirt. The big brother of chairman Mao is an equal-opportunity socialist, after all.

The Carnivore

February 23rd, 2010
10:59 am

Presidents do not create jobs.

JF McNamara

February 23rd, 2010
11:06 am

Another blog from the AJC Republican propaganda chief. You know you could actually add benefit by looking at some of the programs that the government has created and taking a realistic look at the positives and negatives.

What Kyle is secretly thinking: That’s too hard. I’ll just redirect to a propaganda site and collect my check. Mission Accomplished!

Monroe Burbank

February 23rd, 2010
11:18 am

The Carnivore,

I guess Presidents aren’t responsible for budget deficits or surpluses, starting wars, setting foreign policy, or overall economic health, either.

In February 1993 President Clinton drove the revision the existing lending regulations, and during that month both President Clinton and Alan Greenspan, during separate news conferences, stated that the purpose of these revisions was geared to helping small businesses.

Also, since most conservatives don’t know the definition of “socialism” without referring to a dictionary, I suggest they refrain from using the word because when they do, their analogies border on the ridiculous, and it just makes them look really stupid.

Ignorance, thy name is conservative.

Richard

February 23rd, 2010
11:29 am

So why not just go back to the calssic “tax custs for private businesses that hire new employees” logic. Problem is that doesn’t create jobs either.

The only thing that actually creats jobs is an increase in demand which increases workload which increases hours needed which increases people needed to work those hours. Tax cuts and bills, and federal spending don’t do anything in terms of actual production.

Where the federal spending can “create” jobs is by needlessly spending money on salaries for workers that aren’t actually needed. There’s a whole other debate as to whether or not the increased unemployment without that would be worse than not spending the money. I’m guessing that’s another collumn.

john force

February 23rd, 2010
11:29 am

government creates “temporary” jobs. That is the problem.

Fix-It

February 23rd, 2010
11:41 am

HDB, did defense spending pay for the commercial planes? Infrastructure spending on the federal side has been dismal at best. The states spend more for local roads. By the way why don’t we check and make sure that all the infrastructure spending goes to AMERICAN’s not illegal’s. Yes NASA has spawned many private jobs for high tech private sector, so what is Obozo doing to NASA and defense spending? He is cutting spending on BOTH.

Monroe Burbank, three cheers for Bill Clinton, the poster child for Enron, his policies made it possible. I know how liberals don’t like FACTS, but this IS a FACT.

neo-Carlinist

February 23rd, 2010
12:04 pm

hey liberals, this cartoon is spot on (especially, the image of Obama, which conveys an almost grandmotherly sense of “taking care” of his grandkids). I think the motivation is sincere, but the plan is short-sighted. did we all not just blog about the looming underfunded pensions for civil servants storm? I have never been one to ignorantly yammer about “Socialism” but that’s exactly what this is – the working class doing so for the “good of the state”. obviously, there are certain areas specific to the public sector, but building a workforce of bureaucrats, to ultimately be paid by taxpayers is the very essence of counter-productive. quite frankly, all things being equal, why not just pay unemployment benefits (which are temporary and offer no pension)? no government “creates” jobs.

FUN GUY

February 23rd, 2010
12:11 pm

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had once failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that.

retiredds

February 23rd, 2010
12:16 pm

Hey, Kyle, we need more of the following as opposed to the childish crying, whining, and bickering we have had to put up with since President Obama took office.

“This Senate jobs bill is not perfect,” said Mr. Brown, whose election victory in Massachusetts last month put an end to the Democrats ability to mount a 60-vote majority in the Senate, the number of votes needed to overcome filibusters. “I wish the tax cuts were deeper and broader, but I voted for it because it contains measures that will help put people back to work.”

Mr. Brown was joined in voting yes by fellow Republican Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, George Voinovich of Ohio and Christopher Bond of Missouri.

I don’t know but I am assuming that our two Republican Senators voted against because they think voting party lines vs what’s best for their constituents is paramount.

And poor Mr. Brown, he is probably going to feel a lot of heat from the conservatives (especially the loud radio clowns) for having voted for his constituents (a novel idea in this day and age of ideology trumping everything else) and not the party. Maybe, just maybe, he is not the clone they thought he was going to be.

Funny thing, I feel more represented by Senators Brown, Snowe, Collins, Voinovich, and Bond than I do the two guys , Chambliss and Isakson, who claim to represent me.

CJ

February 23rd, 2010
12:24 pm

The numbers are in, and there is zero doubt that the Dem’s stimulus bill helped to pull us from the brink of economic catastrophe, in part by creating millions of jobs that would not otherwise have existed. All of the major economic research firms that have studied the stimulus’ effect have come to this conclusion. The specific estimates vary, but it’s clear that the stimulus created at least 2 million jobs last year–with more to come.

Stimulus opponents, often motivated by strictly ideological or political concerns, have repeatedly claimed that the bill didn’t create a single job that the economy wouldn’t have created anyway. This isn’t true, and it should be beyond the bounds of political debate to claim it.

Fox News: “According to the nonpartisan CBO, the Recovery Act is already responsible for as many as 2.4 million jobs through the end of 2009.

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2010
12:40 pm

That private sector cat is a fat azz, he must be lazy eh?

DawgDad

February 23rd, 2010
1:10 pm

“Don’t just say that government robs the private sector; in many cases, it’s government that HIRES the private sector!!”

Sure, and WHERE does the money for government jobs or government-sponsored hiring and contracting come from? It can only come from two places: taxes/fees or government borrowing. Either way it is a net drain on the public sector, where the multiplier effect for deployment of captial and spending is much higher than for governement spending. Liberals of all stripes need to understand the basic economic fact that government spending is NEVER as efficient as private spending. Converatives ALREADY accept that some objectives are served by a government approach: Common defense being the primary. However, even for national defense the underlying foundation of our liberty is the second amendment protection of our individual right to protect ourselves.

Please, liberals and leftists, go to a real school, not a statist government indoctrination camp, and learn something about how the world really works and what it takes to preserve our liberties. Otherwise, learn Chinese, because they are ultimately going to own you.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:19 pm

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET PIC!

Pretty much sums it all up. Look at the government liberals howwwwwwwwwwwwl.

Nice job Kyle!

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:24 pm

“it’s government that HIRES the private sector!!”

Yeah, AFTER the government has killed off their jobs.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:30 pm

retiredds

Conservatives can not get angry at Brown. He serves Mass. He doesn’t serve Texas or Alabama. People need to shut up and realize that.

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
1:34 pm

DAWGDAD writes: Liberals of all stripes need to understand the basic economic fact that government spending is NEVER as efficient as private spending.

He then goes on to even greater silliness: Please, liberals and leftists, go to a real school, not a statist government indoctrination camp, and learn something about how the world really works and what it takes to preserve our liberties. Otherwise, learn Chinese, because they are ultimately going to own you.
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Honestly, you need to get out a little more often. Did you have to work to create this stuff or is this just pure stream of consciousness abetted by substances that are probably not found over the counter?

“Statist government indoctrination camp”? WHAT are you talking about? How about an example. Oh, that’s right, we should all go to a Christian charter school so we can learn about creationism.

And as far as being owned by the Chinese, it was you good outposts of conservatism and the capitalist light that sold us down the river by cutting taxes at a time you went on to start a useless war that mobilized terrorist activity everywhere.

Care to compare the growth of the national debt under the recent Democratic vs the Republican administrations? And where were the plaintive questions about how were we going to pay for the Iraq war?

Care to tell us how American salaries have improved and how many jobs Mr. Bush created? Hmmmm?

The result of the Bush years was a scorched earth policy against the US treasury that was specifically designed to deny future administrations the ability to follow contrary policies.

If we get owned by the Chinese. We’ll have YOU to thank for it.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:38 pm

“Oh, that’s right, we should all go to a Christian charter school so we can learn about creationism.”

Liberals always have to attack Christians.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:38 pm

“Care to tell us how American salaries have improved and how many jobs Mr. Bush created? ”

Bush was never as stupid or arrogant as Obama to tell the people that he created jobs.

Oh, unemployment was 4.4% under Bush before Democrats took over.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:43 pm

“And where were the plaintive questions about how were we going to pay for the Iraq war?”

You should point that question to Obama. We’re still in two wars.

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
1:54 pm

LA: Your comments show a excellent use of distortion and irrelevancy. Joe Goebbels would be proud of ya.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:54 pm

Irony defined.

Canadian Premier comes to America for heart surgery………

American president says we need to be like Canada…………

Irony…….

‘My heart, my choice,’ Williams says, defending decision for U.S. heart surgery

An unapologetic Danny Williams says he was aware his trip to the United States for heart surgery earlier this month would spark outcry, but he concluded his personal health trumped any public fallout over the controversial decision.

In an interview with The Canadian Press, Williams said he went to Miami to have a “minimally invasive” surgery for an ailment first detected nearly a year ago, based on the advice of his doctors.

“This was my heart, my choice and my health,” Williams said late Monday from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla.

“I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics.”

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:55 pm

“Your comments show a excellent use of distortion and irrelevancy. Joe Goebbels would be proud of ya.”

Yep, without posting WHAT comments are a distortion……………..

Oh, and calling someone a nazi is exactly why liberals are losing every single debate.

Racist much?

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:56 pm

Houckster is a prime example of why America hates liberals.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:56 pm

Houckster

Micheal Moore is proud of you!

LA

February 23rd, 2010
1:59 pm

CNN Poll

In what direction should the United States go with nuclear power?

More 75% 130638

Less 16% 27600

Same 10% 16988

LA

February 23rd, 2010
2:00 pm

By the way Kyle, that illustration gives a false illusion that Obama knows how to knit.

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
2:05 pm

Honestly, Mr. Williams is of the conservative (Tory) party and was quite pleased to try to embarrass the Canadian health system.

The reality is that “Canadians strongly support the health system’s public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported “public solutions to make our public health care stronger.”
http://www.healthzone.ca/health/article/679824

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
2:07 pm

Oh, and calling someone a nazi is exactly why liberals are losing every single debate.
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No, first of all, I didn’t call you a Nazi. I said you are using some of their tactics. Again, an irrelevant response.

Conservatives win most of the debates because they rely on fear and distortion most of the time.

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
2:09 pm

LA (which stands for Losers Anonymous) writes: Yep, without posting WHAT comments are a distortion……………..
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You haven’t given a relevant response yet.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
2:15 pm

“No, first of all, I didn’t call you a Nazi. I said you are using some of their tactics. Again, an irrelevant response.”

Joseph Goebbels was a Nazi.

I never use Nazi tactics. I use common sense to debate liberals.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
2:16 pm

“LA (which stands for Losers Anonymous) writes: Yep, without posting WHAT comments are a distortion……………..”

And here we go again. Note you ma’am, I went down the road of defending myself against a certain blogger who name called.

Calling me names will get you banned.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
2:17 pm

“You haven’t given a relevant response yet.”

Sure I have. The reason I know this is because you have yet to point ANYTHING out. Instead you refer to me as a nazi AND have called me a name.

Check mate.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
2:19 pm

“The reality is that “Canadians strongly support the health system’s public rather than for-profit private basis”

And yet……they come here for surgery.

Check mate.

LA

February 23rd, 2010
2:20 pm

Kyle, please note that “Houckster” was the first to name call. She’s already referred to me as a Nazi and now she called me a loser.

Thanks, LA!

LA

February 23rd, 2010
2:21 pm

Kyle wrote: The first instance of name-calling will result in a one-week ban.

So Kyle, you gonna enforce that rule onto Houkster?

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
2:29 pm

Here a list of LA’s silliness statements:
1) Liberals always have to attack Christians. Reply: Nope. I am a Christian. Trying to imply that liberals don’t like Christians is distortion. Though I’m not a liberal their argument is more with policies that Christians follow as opposed to the core tenets of Christianity. For example, most Christian Church try to restrict or prohibit the participation of women in the clergy.

2) I asked: “And where were the plaintive questions about how were we going to pay for the Iraq war?” LA answers: You should point that question to Obama. We’re still in two wars.

Again irrelevant. It’s one thing to start a war and it’s another to try and fight the war we need to (supported by the Republicans I might add) and trying to draw down the one that was a catastrophic mistake.

3) I asked: “Care to tell us how American salaries have improved and how many jobs Mr. Bush created? ” LA answered: Bush was never as stupid or arrogant as Obama to tell the people that he created jobs. Oh, unemployment was 4.4% under Bush before Democrats took over.

This response mixes distortion and irrelevancy almost seamlessly. During the Bush years that was net zero increase in jobs, outsourcing sent thousands of jobs overseas while replacement jobs here paid lower salaries and had fewer benefits. And 4.4% unemplyment? Nope. Just less than 8% when Mr. Bush left office. Stupid and arrogant? Just methane here, not reality.

4) LA writes: Houckster is a prime example of why America hates liberals. My, the operational definition of a liberal for LA is anyone who disagrees with him/her.

Kyle Wingfield

February 23rd, 2010
2:32 pm

Houckster, did you see this warning I posted elsewhere on the blog?

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The pointless bickering and name-calling has once again risen to intolerable levels. I have been a little slack in policing it lately because I’ve been spending a lot of time at the Legislature and away from my computer. With a two-week break from the session starting today, I am going to tighten things back up.

The first instance of name-calling will result in a one-week ban. Responding to name-calling, or celebrating someone else’s ban, will also result in a one-week ban.

I am mostly talking about pointless, irrelevant trash-talking which LA and dewstar specialize in…but I reserve the right to act on any other excessive bickering.

There has been a good bit of substantive exchange in between the taunts, and that’s what I want us to focus on here.

You have been warned.

Prilee

February 23rd, 2010
2:33 pm

The private sector creates and pays people to do the job. We do nothing but fatten up government when our money goes towards their job creation.

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm

LA quotes me: “You haven’t given a relevant response yet.”

Sure I have. The reason I know this is because you have yet to point ANYTHING out. Instead you refer to me as a nazi AND have called me a name.

Check mate.
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Again irrelevant. I have made a number of points. You haven’t read them much less respond in a mature manner. What’s even worse is that I’m getting rapidly bored. Moreover, a real conservative would have left the room long ago, too embarrassed to remain.

And “check mate” is wrong. It is checkmate.

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm

And you don’t see fit to warn LA who has been unstinting in taunt after taunt?

Linda

February 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

We need jobs that PAY taxes, not jobs paid for BY taxes.
We don’t want more government, union, infrastructure, temporary, part-time or “green” jobs.
We want real, private sector, permanent, red, white & blue jobs from RICH people who we can rely on to pay us enough money so that we can go out & buy our own private health care insurance & our own case of caulk.

Houckster

February 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

LA quotes me: “The reality is that “Canadians strongly support the health system’s public rather than for-profit private basis”

and then writes: And yet……they come here for surgery.
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More distortion. The Canadian prime minister made a personal choice. He doesn’t speak for his country on this issue.

sam

February 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

kyle, this cartoon is downright racist! i canty believe you would stoop to this level….just kidding. its a good one. of course you didnt draw it so what am i congratluting you for?

LA

February 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

“vAnd you don’t see fit to warn LA who has been unstinting in taunt after taunt?”

Notice that I have not called you names etc……

I simply responded to your comments. Thanks for trying to spin it!

Cutty

February 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

Did the military basically invent the internet in which in now used as probably the biggest commerce engine in our lifetimes? Even hackers are getting paid.

Tax commerce sold via the internet, and watch that deficit drop. Teabaggers don’t use it anyway.

sam

February 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

i see from the comments above the crybaby is once again pulling the old bait and switch….no doubt with c in hand.