Test pressure didn’t create the CRCT cheating scandal
The numbers were good — too good. They kept rising, beggaring belief. The people who should have questioned them, should have inquired as to how those producing the numbers kept moving from strength to strength, instead got caught up in celebrating them, even taking credit for them.
The numbers were good — too good to be true.
Enron? Major League Baseball?
Atlanta Public Schools?
Let’s stipulate that the state’s review of dodgy CRCT results, prompted by an earlier AJC investigative series, does not on its own explain exactly what happened in Atlanta’s schools during last year’s standardized tests. The state’s analysis of erasure marks on student test sheets does not reveal who did, or knew, or ignored what. For that reason, Gov. Sonny Perdue and his staff have been wisely patient in waiting for the rest of the facts to come to light.
But let’s also acknowledge that cheating occurred. Barring some anti-APS conspiracy by the state, no innocent explanation suffices for a system whose schools were vastly overrepresented among the suspicious.
Surely, there are many innocent teachers and administrators — just as the majority of major leaguers didn’t take steroids, and only a handful of executives cooked the books.
Still, the alternate explanations from Superintendent Beverly Hall don’t cut it. The idea that Atlanta students are just really diligent about double-checking their test answers (and just happen to get dozens of questions right the second time around) doesn’t pass the laugh test any more than Barry Bonds insisting he was just a vitamin-popping gym rat.
When the next phase of investigation ends and — let’s hope — we learn more about how the cheating took place, some people will rationalize it as the inevitable result of an emphasis on testing.
That rationalization isn’t laughable, it’s abominable.
Start with the fact that some of the people who will take this broad-brush swipe at educators’ integrity are the same ones now bemoaning an unfair rush to judgment following the state’s CRCT inquiry.
Plenty of teachers and administrators in plenty of school districts faced the pressure to perform without cheating. Of the state’s 188 districts, 175 managed to avoid having a single school on the “severe concern” list that ensnared three-fifths of APS elementary and middle schools. Statewide, 80 percent of the schools under review were deemed in the clear.
So, clearly, cheating is not a reflexive reaction to pressure. We ought to be gravely concerned about any leader who would suggest that it is.
That’s particularly true for anyone who works with children and teenagers. If schools are not equipping students to face this kind of pressure, they will be even worse off as adults than we thought.
We can’t simply trust people to do the right thing, but we can verify it. For too long, we didn’t verify education results.
Now that we’ve begun to verify, the answer isn’t to de-emphasize tests. Baseball didn’t react to steroid use by playing down home runs, and Wall Street still measures earnings.
There’s one last commonality among APS, steroids in baseball and financial fraud.
Baseball players didn’t use steroids to be all-stars; they cheated to achieve the unprecedented: 66, 70, 73 home runs in a season. Enron didn’t cook the books to be merely profitable, but to reach soaring earnings and share prices.
And the scores of APS students didn’t just rise; they skyrocketed. Yet Atlantans didn’t demand that APS double its passing rates within a decade, only that it record steady, sustainable improvement.
Now, like fans and investors, we have to wonder whether we got even that.
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Thank you
February 17th, 2010
7:34 pm
Thank you Kyle, for having the fortitude to call it what it is, cheating, instead of referring to it as an irregularity as if though somebody just needed a little fiber in their diet on test day.
Eric
February 17th, 2010
7:55 pm
“So, clearly, cheating is not a reflexive reaction to pressure. We ought to be gravely concerned about any leader who would suggest that it is.”
Sorry Kyle, but it is not at all clear that the cheating in this case was not due to pressure. In my view, it was done exactly because of the pressure to succeed. It’s time we quit focusing so much on artificial indicators of student success that distort otherwise good people’s personalities so they can save their jobs, make the schools look better, etc.
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 17th, 2010
8:19 pm
Fire kathy cox, fire cathy cox, tar em and feather em
Cobb Tax Payer
February 17th, 2010
8:58 pm
All schools in the state of Georgia that had a single “yes” on the number of erasers per student should be carefully reviewed and challenged by someone other than the District – this includes Cobb’s East Cobb Schools just like the South Cobb Schools. Cheating must not be tolerated ! Atlanta might be the worst but there are likely others !
puff
February 17th, 2010
9:01 pm
I agree that cheating is intolerable no matter what the motivation. “No tolerance” should be the policy, whatever the reason. However, there still is an issue about whether the way testing is done, and the rigidity of consequences for poor performance, make sense.
We've seen it coming. We all knew
February 17th, 2010
9:05 pm
As someone whose kids went through the Atlanta public school system, I can say without hesitation that this scandal is entirely consistent with the ethics and culture of APS. Years of involvement with the school administrations, PTA, School Board and central APS offices have revealed to my wife and I a corrupt and arrogant bureaucracy being propped up by some outstanding teachers and local administrators and the efforts of parents and students. It is absolutely impossible for any rational person to observe Beverly Hall and her cohorts at close range and not be nauseated by their attitudes and actions. APS operates primarily for the benefit of its central employees and corrupt suppliers; education quality, if it is considered at all, comes dead last in APS’s deliberations.
Dr., and I use that term loosely, Hall must go and should be prosecuted for negligence and malfeasance.
Chief Wiggum
February 17th, 2010
9:08 pm
So, Eric, serious question here. If standardized tests are ‘artificial indicators” of student success, how do we measure student success at the elementary and middle school levels? Grades? Those are so variable, and even more open to inflation and cheating.
So, how do we figure out who is doing well, and who is not?
Mike
February 17th, 2010
9:26 pm
Eric is obviously a product of the Atlanta Public School system…
An Educator...
February 17th, 2010
9:50 pm
Mike or Chief, could you give me some evidence that standardized testing is the best way to judge student achievement and is not just an ‘artificial indicator’ as Eric suggests. I have searched and searched for something concrete and have not found anything. However, we do know that some students, and even adults, do not test well. You can ask a student to explain something to you, and they will do it perfectly fine. But take that same student and put a test in front of them with the exact same information on it and they will freeze up. The anxiety of testing, coupled with knowing these tests decide your educational future, can be too much for some students. I see this every day. They get visibly sick just thinking about testing for the CRCTs. We separate students by tracks and tell some they are smarter than others and will be more successful, but we give them the same test. Does that make any since. Just as instruction needs to be differentiated, so does assessment.
I think that the people who sit back in their big offices and make these decisions, without ever teaching a class about anything or asking the advice of any teacher before implementing these crucial policies, are the ones doing the real disservice to schools. Children are not pieces of data to be examined and experimented with in order to figure out where not to spend federal dollars. Students are not learning what they need to be learning in order to be successful in life because tests dictates what teachers can spend their time on. Does any of this excuse cheating, if it happened. No it does not. But it sheds a little light on the difficult position teachers are placed in, which can lead to terrible decisions being made. We must wake up and demand education reform, before it is too late for our children.
Mariposa
February 17th, 2010
9:53 pm
The story of the CRCT testing scandal has been so sad and disturbing. In reviewing the CRCT tests my kids take, they aren’t particularly hard. I wonder if the answer is to use only national standards. Another question – why do the schools even have access to the test answers? The answers should not be provided to the schools.
midtownguy
February 17th, 2010
9:58 pm
Cheating is one thing, “dumb cheating” is another altogether. There are so many simpler ways to cheat other than erasing answers after the fact. Dr. Hall should be fired for no other reason than her “explanation” of the erasures. Any “educator” who would utter those words is, by definition, incapable of leadership.
This is why almost all the kids in my neighborhood go to private schools. As my neighbor says “You only get 12 years and one shot at your kid’s education.”
Devildog
February 17th, 2010
10:03 pm
You’re about as exciting and interesting as a cold bowl of oatmeal, no sugar, no milk, no raisins.
That’s committing the worst sin of newspapering—you’re dull. Better kick it up a few notches.
Dale
February 17th, 2010
10:17 pm
My question about this whole mess is simple. Why do the teachers even have the answers to the tests if this is something that is supposed to be “graded” by a third party entity? In my county (Dougherty, but don’t tell anyone), I believe the changes were 77% at one school, and more than 25% at several others. These tests are a joke in more ways than one.
bart
February 17th, 2010
10:24 pm
Of course there is no excuse fro cheating. However, Perdue has cut over 4 billion dollars from education in the 71/2 years he has been in office. And Cox has stood idly by and let him. Teachers have very little to work with, and in addition many teachers have been laid off so class size is larger.
Dale
February 17th, 2010
10:24 pm
Sorry Mariposa. I was typing, while you were posting. Someone please answer the question.
Intown Lib
February 17th, 2010
10:33 pm
The more I hear about our crappy schools, our dim prospects for a prosperous future thanks to transportation and water woes, and our leaders seeming inability to do anything approaching competent and smart to deal with it all, the more I just want to move back to the Northeast. Georgia is self-destructing. The snow just isn’t looking that bad anymore.
JB
February 17th, 2010
10:37 pm
The gov’t shoulda never got in the educatin’ bid’ness in the first place.
mike
February 17th, 2010
10:45 pm
I am sure glad all this effort is being spent to get those folks who are responsible for some erasures on these tests. This state has consistently been at the bottom when it comes to standings when ranked with others schools across the country. The current state leader has done everything in his power to nothing for education or for the people who teach it. Heck during Katrina, ole sunny canceled schools so the middle ga farmers had gas to get their crops to market. But lets us spend all this time, money and effort trying to catch someone based on a pattern of finger prints on a piece of paper. This will really be good for a lawsuit.
irishmafia
February 17th, 2010
10:58 pm
It’s a cultural thing like the acceptance of crime in the hood, trash lying around everywhere (how does being poor relate to not being able to pick up trash lying around?), the feeling that geetting an educaion somehow makes you white, and the general feeling that they are owed something because their great great great grandpappy might have been a slave. Cheating is acceptable if not condoned
Racer T
February 17th, 2010
11:26 pm
The state is picking on all the schools that are primarily African-American. They need to look into the white schools too—they are cheating just as much but getting away with it.
96 SC
February 17th, 2010
11:44 pm
APS is Guilty as charged of cheating on the CRCT. All APS Principals routinely take Title I Funds and buy luxury cars, homes, resort vacations and hot female and/or male companionship, etc. There is no mechanism for control or accountability of the Millions of Dollars the Fed pump into APS designated for low income students. Some schools do not even buy toilet paper for the student’s use. Please focus on the shenanigans at Mays High School and request an accurate accounting of all Title I Funds for the past ten years. I am sure the results of your inquiry will mean JAIL TIME for many of APS’ MISEDUCATORS.In the past, I have written specific info regarding APS misconduct to the AJC to no avail. Hopefully you may have the gonads to pursue these villains.
Scooter
February 17th, 2010
11:47 pm
Mariposa and Dale: The answers are not given to the administrators of the test, but each child has the test booklet. The principal and vice principal who erased answers last year (in a previous story) would simply have had to look at the test booklet and figure out the answers. In that situation, I’m assuming that the principal then made a list of the correct answers and then called them out to the vice principal.
Let’s picture a teacher changing over 100 answers on a single test. The test is given with a proctor in the room. The answer sheets and the booklet are immediately taken to the office, counted, and kept in some sort of container. The teacher heads back to class. There is simply no time to create a cheat list, pull out the answer sheets of students, check them over, and then erase them, then get them turned in on time. The proctor is right there. Other teachers are all turning in their books right around the same time. Is the teacher supposed to have stopped on the way to office, found an empty restroom stall, and then did everything I mentioned already?
So here’s another possibile way teachers are involved. Let’s say the teacher sees the child making a wrong answer on the test (after stooping down to peer myoptically at the test, read a passage or a math word problem, and figure out the correct answer.) She/He then calls it to the attention of the student. Now that would have to be done constantly with multiple students all within the time frame given for the test. And the teacher would have to be dodging the proctor as she/he scurries around the classroom to each student, peering at each test. The proctor would either be blind, in cahoots, or stupid. One hundred erasures on one test in one classroom? Come on.
OK. One more scenario. The teacher is told to come in during planning period or after school and erase stray marks, i.e. “clean up the test”. Which means that all the teachers are in the same room together wherever the testing materials are being kept. Don’t tell me that the administrators told the teachers to take them down to their own classrooms to “clean them up”. The rules are specific, written down, and told to everyone in a meeting before the test. Everyone understands that the tests are not to be taken anywhere. So…..What scenario is left?
1. A school that violates testing procedure by having teachers take their tests to their homerooms. That ought to be easy enough to find out because there is no way all the teachers at the school will cover something like that up for everyone. So ask the teachers at the school if they were allowed to take the tests to their rooms.
or
2. An administrator whose job security is on the line because if his school doesn’t make AYP, he/she might be either fired or reassigned to the classroom.
Hmmmm…. Over 60 answers on a test changed in a single subject? It’s got to be an administrator.
96 SC
February 18th, 2010
12:02 am
Kyle, let’s cut Dr. Beverly some slack. Maybe in her hectic world on numerous acronyms and buzz words, she was more than confident that her students could easily master the contents of CRCT. The Good Doctor obviously assumed that CRCT meant Can’t Read Can’t Talk which her charges could easily excel at without a doubt.
Getting real
February 18th, 2010
12:13 am
If you don’t know how the testing process works for the CRCT, please read Scooter’s post before automatically assuming it’s teachers cheating on these tests.
Will Remain Nameless
February 18th, 2010
1:07 am
Standardized testing is a horrible barometer for student achievement, and the grading process is equally corrupt. Shortly after I finished college in 2006, I took a temp job as a grader for one of the companies who creates these tests. For legal reasons, I will not be able to name the companies or states involved, however this information should disturb you.
The portion of the tests that requires human grading are the constructed-answer questions (essays, non multiple-choice math sections, etc.). When graders were hired, they were sent to an orientation run by the testing company about the grading protocol. First of all, we were instructed not to grade essay responses for spelling or grammar. Basically, the student could barely be able to write and could still receive a perfect score. Content of the answer was the only thing to be takes into account. The scoring system was a simple 4-number numerical system, with no justification given to the parents or teachers for the score. Just a number. A student would receive partial credit if they as much as copy a line verbatim from the material they were tested over(whether it was relevant to the question or not). Their reasoning – “Well, at least he read it.”
The hiring process was rather interesting as well. They became so desperate to staff this project, that anyone who managed a 4 year degree in anything was taken in. After the initial orientation, all employees were tested over the grading standards by being shown examples of student tests and assigning a grade. If enough matched what the testing company would have scored them, you’re in. If you failed, you got to take it 3 times. If you still failed, you were taken to a backroom to take it again, where you were fed the answers. Once you were in, you were assigned to a group who world be responsible for a certain portion of the test. For example, your group could be assigned 7th grade reading comprehension, 6th grade math, etc.
Once the actual grading process started, employees were trained on the materials for the first state. The passages the students had to read were – for the fiction: stories from other cultures and for the non-fiction: passages either having to do with environmentalism or the first woman/minority to do something significant. I’ll reserve judgment. Regardless, the process began for the first state, and the answers received were perhaps the most disturbing thing I have ever seen in my life. Absolutely horrific. The levels of grammar and spelling displayed by these students was pathetic. The level of reading comprehension was equally awful. I probably graded 50,000 essays at this position and I would roughly estimate that less than 10 were perfectly written. Good thing for them we didn’t have to take that into account! At about halfway through this project, representatives for the State Board of Education for this unnamed state showed up to oversee. One day, all work was brought to a halt, and we were informed that the scores were coming in too low, and that the grading standards were being changed. The standards were lowered in order to inflate the scores. Logically, that would mean that all the students’ tests that had been previously graded would be redone. Unfortunately, because this would mean increased labor cost, things were not done that way. The students who had their tests graded under the old standard did not have their tests re-scored under the new standard.Therefore, you had 2 different standards of grading used, and the parents and teachers at the schools would never know of the little “secret”.
As the project continued, we moved on to materials from other states. However, we were on a deadline to finish, or the testing company would have had to pay for another month of rental on the facility. Solution – once a group of graders finished a portion of the test, move them with little or no training to another portion of the test! During the last few days, after the group I was in finished our portion, we were moved to another, never shown the material the students were tested on or the grading criteria for that particular set of questions, and simply told “Well, you know what the scores should look like.”
Keep in mind what these tests could be used for. Your child could be recommended for special ed because of something like this. Please keep this info in mind when your child’s scores come back.
benny
February 18th, 2010
5:15 am
Wow, such condemnation. Am I to figure out that all the posters have never cheated? Never adjusted your taxes? Never went 1 mph over the speed limit? Cheating is cheating – call it like it is. The holier that thou stuff is really sickening. Also, goes on in private schools. They do not tell you as their goal is to keep their job. Why is it that I never see anyone willing to take action? No solutions that are realistic? Stop grandstanding. Stop politicizing. Start firing. Stop being politically correct. Say it like it is. Most students do not care and neither do their parents. Some teachers got into education because they thought it was easy. How about – it you cannot read on grade level you get one chance to catch up or you are out and in dish washing school. If you disrupt class you get sent home NOT TO ISS (which is so stupid). Go back to accountability and responsibility. Make it harder. Oh, that’s right. Every person has a right to be a genius. Every person can teach. Nobody ever cheats on anything. Private school is always the answer. Everyone is an expert on education and learning. Anyone could do a better job. Yup. We is in trubble and is we fixin it.
Edu-ma-cator
February 18th, 2010
5:30 am
Fire ‘em all, we know there are thousands of people ready to take their jobs….NOT!
Cheating pays better on Wall Street and the baseball diamond. I’m sure the fired teachers can find work there. I wonder how many people read the paper, act shocked, then rip somebody off in their daily business dealings….hypocrites!
Wallace
February 18th, 2010
5:47 am
Kyle, I like your article, and thank you for actually using the word “cheat.” I do have to say, however, that as an employee of APS for over ten years – And an employee at one of the schools on the severe list – That people, including you, are NOT GETTING IT!
The “pressure” that we get in APS is un-freaking believable. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen elsewhere, but working for APS is SHEER hell. I’ve quit twice. I’m getting a degree right now and will be leaving the day I get my diploma.
These administrators and central office people are loving their BMW’s, their “purchased” doctorates, the chance to finally have someone they can treat like crap – the staff.
The pressure in APS is off the charts. It does not make cheating ok and that is not my point. My point is that someone (myself included) needs to do something about these horrible people who are raping taxpayers and students while kickin’ back and chillin’.
MM
February 18th, 2010
6:14 am
I hate to tell you but not all classes are proctored. It would be easy for teachers to change answers before turning in the tests….. I also believe the state needs to look into those “purchased” doctorate degrees…It is amazing to me that they can complete a PhD in a year. We have many people that are being paid big bucks for those “so-called” degrees and are having other people do all the work.
GT81
February 18th, 2010
6:26 am
Is it “no child left behind”, or “all children left behind”?
David
February 18th, 2010
6:34 am
No Child Gets Ahead would be a more accurate description.
Churchill's MOM
February 18th, 2010
6:42 am
This just proves that my husband and I did the right thing sending our children to private school. We are lucky enough to be able to afford this expense, Georgia really needs to abandon the CRT testing system and go to a national norm referenced testing system. There are several good national test that could be used rather than allowing the Kathy Cox bunch waste money generating a Georgia only test. Georgia is in grave need of real educational leadership and it is obvious that Cox is NOT the one. I would say vouchers are the answer but someone needs to verify that the schools are doing their job and this mess proves that our State School Administration is NOT up to the job.
redweather
February 18th, 2010
7:17 am
After last year’s findings regarding End of Course Test results, this about the CRCT should come as no surprise to anyone. I just happen to teach many metro Atlanta high school “graduates,” and most enter the college classroom wholly unpreprared to do college work. There are reasons for that, and this scandal exposes at least one of the reasons.
Jeff
February 18th, 2010
7:47 am
Good job Kyle. Finally someone in the media is beginning to hold people who receive a government check to the same standard as they hold private companies.
Baghdad Bob
February 18th, 2010
7:50 am
It’s time school officials roll up their sleeves, pull up their pants (off the ground), and tighten their belts.
It’s very easy to prove the administrators cheated: Students use a #2 pencil to take tests. Administrators used the eraser on a #3 pencil. That eraser has a different texture and it leaves tell-tale streaks. Some of the administrators used white out and a pen to change the scores. Not cool.
I think we have a slam dunk case against the dunces who erased.
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
8:04 am
Looks like Argentina and England are going to go at it again, time to play “Sink that Carrier.” Anyone got a thousand or so spare Exocet missiles, I need to know before I place my bets? Perhaps this time Uncle Stupid can stay out of it, I lost ten bucks when Argentina failed to sink the Ark Royal, mostly because of American satellite data, mostly. Oh well, I got it back on the sinking of the Sheffield.
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
8:06 am
Hopefully we will see many pink slips. Not probation, not improvement classes, not a second chance…NO…FIRE THEM with extreme predjudice.
Life is a high stakes test
February 18th, 2010
8:15 am
Way to go. Cheating is cheating and those who chose to break the rules harm their students and all of the other students and teachers who did not cheat. Perhaps as many as 10% showed evidence of potential cheating. That means that 90% did not.
At the same time, we need to take a hard look at the schoo systems who spend the most money and get the poorest outcomes. If the leadership cannot produce results, it’s time, not to cheat, but to get new leadership.
APS…are you listening?
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
8:22 am
Well, if we are going to have cheating, we need smarter cheaters, these administrators need to be fired for stupidity. If the Stupid students use a # 2 pencil to take the test, then the administrators need to be smart enough to use a # 2 pencil to change the answers. Fire em all, and hire smarter administrators, even if you have to go outside the stupid education system to find them.
Bob
February 18th, 2010
8:26 am
Does anyone know the true per pupil cost per year in the APS ?
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
8:28 am
Bob…I would guess its the hightest cost in the State with the least return and worst test scores.
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
8:28 am
12,000 bucks per year, Bob, that is the cost of the aps school system per pupil. I say give the teachers all a 50% pay cut, half for cheating, and half for being stupid.
Baghdad Bob
February 18th, 2010
8:29 am
What if, and I’m just sayin, what if the students were the ones who were cheating. What if, and I’m just sayin, what if an entire generation has snuck by us by cheating at everything. They don’t eat all their vegetables, they’ve been feeding them to the dog when we’re not looking. They’re not mowing the lawn, their spraying herbicide (salt solution) on the grass so it dont grow. What if this new generation of cheating brats is responsible for this cheating scandal?
I did some checking. The children of the corn are now old enough to have sired an entire new generation of corn people who cheat.
The Children…..of the CORN!!!!
Road Scholar
February 18th, 2010
8:32 am
Some above stated that too much prssure is at fault. What BS! We all have pressure inour lives. When a child grows up, and you make excuses for the pressure, how will they function in society? The boss asks you a question; you don’t answer because of the pressure? The teachers, and more importantly, the parents need to talk to their children to explain the need to calm down and take the test. Do your best, forget the rest!
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
8:33 am
and they ALL became teachers, Bob, the Teachers of the Corn.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
8:47 am
MM – You hit it right on the money. Hall’s Ph.D was
earned from a paper mill. She is clearly in over her head.
Road Scholar – Great quote at the end of your post.
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
9:06 am
Speaking of paper mills, did ya see the paper mill schools where the tenure committee got their phd’s at Northern Alabama’s alleged biology department? Not one was half as good as Harvard, yet they dared deny a Harvard PHD tenure? Well, ah fer one says they got what was commin’ to em. Clearly school envy and racial discrimination were at play here. Should make a good defense come trial time.
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
9:07 am
The tenure committee of the corn.
neo-Carlinist
February 18th, 2010
9:09 am
this may be a semantic beef, but the word “cheating” is misleading. it suggests that the students “copied” answers or employed the Sarah Palin “notes on the hand” technique. the crime here is FRAUD. the APS administrators who doctored results to suggest progress where there was none, committed FRAUD. we can debate the merits of the CRCT and standardized tests (I find NO value in such nonsense), but like it or not, it is the “standard” by which the GA Dept of Ed uses to measure success. the idea that a handful of bureaucrats and administrators would doctor test results in order to create the illusion of a job well done is no less criminal than the aforementioned Enron, MLB and you forgot to mention WMD frauds fosited upon Americans. if the state’s investigation warrants it, charges should be filed, certifications should be stripped and the guilty should go to prison.
Peter
February 18th, 2010
9:14 am
I agree with you Kyle…
Just say it…there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction !
The lies started 8 plus years ago !
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
9:18 am
Since the teachers and the administrators were getting money for this fraud, should they not be charged in a court of law with criminal fraud?
Kyle Wingfield
February 18th, 2010
9:27 am
Every CRCT answer sheet from every student at every public school was examined, Racer T. No system was singled out for examination. And the testing company did the examination free of charge, mike.
songbird
February 18th, 2010
10:02 am
Georgia’s public schools have been subpar for decades. I moved to Georgia in 1983 to attend graduate school. I obtained a graduate assistantship to help defray the costs since I was paying for it myself. As part of that assistantship, I graded freshman math tests. About half of the students flunked freshman math because the math training they got in high school wasn’t nearly enough for them to be successful at college level.
This was 25 years ago and here we are talking about the same thing. This state has had a horrible record on education for decades. Nothing will change until the people of this state are fed up with the BS and take a stand against the schools and the legislature for failing to provide a decent education to our kids.
Shar
February 18th, 2010
10:02 am
We All Knew and Scooter: I could not agree more with your posts. I have spent hundreds of hours in APS schools as a parent volunteer, including as a proctor. Teachers are under the gun to raise scores, but they don’t have the opportunity that administrators do to change answer sheets. If a proctor is not present in the test room, I believe that some teachers are desperate enough to indicate answers to the students. Earlier posters’ comments have indicated that some students expect teachers to do this. However, administrators see the entire school’s performance and have more to explain than an individual teacher. Administrators also have more to lose. It seems plain to me that the greater proportion of cheating goes on at that level, quite possibly with collusion and assistance from APS bureaucracy.
Throughout this scandal, the question that has not been asked is what the role of the Atlanta Board of Education has been. They have been completely cowed by Hall, who has only to hiss “Micromanagement!” at them to send them all skittering back into their corner. However, it is their responsibility, as our representatives, to be sure that money is being used appropriately, that standards are being met and that children are being educated. They have failed, spectacularly, at those tasks. What is their culpability?
oldtimer
February 18th, 2010
10:07 am
My 30 years in the classroom proved to me that if you do a good job teaching, students do their homework, and parents see that they come to school healthy, teachers do not need to teach the test…..it just ain’t that hard!
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
10:10 am
I demand a 50% across the board pay cut for all Georgia teachers and administrators and an END to Teacher Tax Breaks! Make it so…
LA
February 18th, 2010
10:17 am
Bottom line: Send your kids to private schools.
LA
February 18th, 2010
10:22 am
Well, for all of Bush’s problems, Republican congressmen never jumped ship!
Ouch, more bad news for Obama.
Senate moderate gives up on Obama
he woes of Barack Obama and his Democratic party allies have deepened with Evan Bayh’s announcement that he will not run for re-election to the Senate in November. The popular and amply financed Mr Bayh had a fight on his hands in Indiana, a Republican-leaning state, but no other Democrat running in his place will be nearly as strong. The likely loss of one more Senate seat is bad enough for Mr Obama, but the implications of Mr Bayh’s entirely unexpected decision are more serious than that.
The senator had long stood for moderation and bipartisanship – ideas that Mr Obama emphasised during his own campaign for the presidency. Mr Bayh has expressed frustration with his party’s congressional leadership and has called on the White House to espouse a more centrist agenda. He has been as scathing about Republican obstructionism, but his decision will mainly be seen as a centrist’s vote of no confidence in Mr Obama. For party and president alike, it is wounding, and a significant setback, quite aside from its effect on Senate arithmetic.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3be409ee-1bff-11df-a5e1-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1
LA
February 18th, 2010
10:23 am
Hey libs, remember when you gals all cried about spending?
Where are you now?
Obama Takes Deficits To New Frontier
In his State of the Union address, President Barack Obama said that “families across the country are tightening their belts and making tough decisions,” so the “federal government should do the same.”
The following week, the president presented his new budget, which contains $1.267 trillion in new deficit spending. So much for cinching up the belt.
Elsewhere in his address, the president said, “Let me start the discussion of government spending by setting the record straight.” But, in his subsequent words, he barely even mentioned his own deficit spending.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=521420
Churchill's MOM
February 18th, 2010
10:24 am
The Tar and Feathers Party
8:28 am
If the $12,000 # is correct a class of 25 cost $300,000. The cost of a teacher is about $60,000 with fringe so the remaining $240,000 goes to overhead of which at least 50% is waste. Schools don’t count capital expenditures or depreciation int their cost. I know most teachers earn their money but have never seen an administrator worth their $125,000 per year salary.
My children go to 1 of the best private schools in Georgia and their tuition is less than $12,000.
Peter
February 18th, 2010
10:24 am
Kyle doesn’t this speak volumes for the legacy of Sonny Perdue ?
Education in the state going no where during his time frame in office, and now scandal !
Peter
February 18th, 2010
10:26 am
Hey LA……..is the cost of the (2) Wars included in the current deficit ?
Bush never included the War costs in his Budget deficit as far as I remember.
Richard
February 18th, 2010
10:28 am
Kyle, you might want to stop using sports analogies. You’d have been better of saying that the majority of the Bengals haven’t been arrested. Saying that the majority of baseball players didnt take steroids damages your credibility (although the majority haven’t been caught yet).
Steve
February 18th, 2010
10:30 am
Beverly Hall makes $378,000+ per year. How do you taxpayers like that? Great value!
vracer
February 18th, 2010
10:31 am
Must have accurate and honest standardized tests. They are the only true indicator of student performance.
LA
February 18th, 2010
10:31 am
“Hey LA……..is the cost of the (2) Wars included in the current deficit ?
Bush never included the War costs in his Budget deficit as far as I remember.”
Hey Peter, guess what………..WE’RE STILL IN THOSE TWO WARS!
Your reply: ITS BUSH’S FAULT!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Crenshaw8
February 18th, 2010
10:47 am
APS needs to check into The Seed Foundation. Getting Atlanta’s children out of their home environment and into one conducive to learning would eliminate the need to cheat.
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
10:52 am
“Beverly Hall makes $378,000+ per year.” Thats outrageous for any govt worker. Hall isnt worth over $38,000.
retiredds
February 18th, 2010
10:56 am
LA, I would like to give you a short lesson in economics. In times of depression and/or recession the prudent, but risky, path is to run up large deficits to get the economy going. This has been done successfully on many occasions. This is because the government is the only entity that can do that, not private business nor publicly held corporations. In times of economic expansion the government should balance budgets or run surpluses, putting the extra $$ into a “rainy day fund”, as GA has done, but even that has not been enough this time around. The problem at the federal level comes because very few administrations and Congress would do the latter. Instead they continued to run larger and larger deficits (you can look that up on line if you don’t believe me). So, here we are, with an accumulated deficit at the start of the Obama period of around $10- $12 trillion and having to run even more large deficits to stabilize and jump start the faltering economy (GDP declining at an annualized rate of 6% even before Obama took office). So, regardless of who is the President this is the reality of the economic situation. And by the way there are two stimulus programs: #1 The $700 Billion TARP program instituted under the Bush administration and the Economic Recovery Act (Stimulus Bill) of $787 billion. Now if you have an alternative or better solution to turning the US economy around, let’s hear it. And if you say cut taxes, that has been tried on several occasions and does not work. If cutting taxes was such a panacea why is the deficit so high? Well, let’s see, could it be that the politicians (Republican and Democrat) can’t or won’t curtail their spending habits? Is there an “earmark” that a Congressman would say no to. So let’s hear a more creative solution from you.
Williebkind
February 18th, 2010
11:06 am
Too many progressive liberals teaching in schools. The progressive agenda always comes before real education. Like the books they are introducing into schools that has practically rewritten history–most of it is fiction.
The samples of common sense can not apply in schools today for instande the kid with the 2in toy soldier gun gets kicked out of school. How much time did this take away from his education and how much time did the teacher spend out of the class room because of this. What was the total cost to the tax payer for this displayed progressive ignorance.
Monroe Burbank
February 18th, 2010
11:37 am
Just where does Georgia rank nationally when it comes to education? Here you go:
Assessments –
Math – Grade 4: 37th out of 51 (includes DC)
Reading Grade 4: 39th
Math – Grade 8: 40th
Reading – Grade 8: 39th
Best Educated Index: 40th out of 50
% of people who have completed high school, including GED: 40th out of 51 (At least we’re ahead of AL, MS, TN, AR, KY, LA)
I think we’ve got a combination of kids who aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer, and a bad educational system. And you know what? The system is being run be Republicans. Can’t blame this one on the Democrats, folks.
But hey, at least we’ve got the DAWGS!!!!!!.
Nan
February 18th, 2010
11:47 am
If the cost of educating each child is $12,000, give them vouchers for private schools, most of which cost much less than $12,000. The so-called “educators” and administrators in the public school system who will lose their positions, can then go get jobs for which they are “qualified”…..if anyone is willing to pay for their “qualifications.”
Multiple problems solved and tax $ back to the tax payers, where they belong.
Monroe Burbank
February 18th, 2010
11:48 am
Williebkind,
So “the books they are introducing into schools that has practically rewritten history – most of it fiction”(sic). Oh, really? Can you give us a few examples? That’s what I thought.
By the way, dude. Your grammar is atrocious. I nominate you as “Typical-Undereducated-Georgian-Adult-And-Ignorantly-Proud-Of-It” poster-child for the day.
Carl Hodges
February 18th, 2010
12:04 pm
Did you hear about the Educator from India who came to study our educational system and on being asked the difference in Education in India and Education in the United States he replied in India our policy focus is on teaching our children and in the United States your focus is on measuring your children. All children enter school with differences in their readiness mentally, physically and emotionally, in their preparation, home support and environment and yet we measure them all with the same test, makes as much sense as doing away with weight classes in boxing or criticizing an offensive tackle on a professional football team for not being able to run as fast as the split end.
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
12:16 pm
Carl. You also worship Karl Marx now DONT YOU!
LA
February 18th, 2010
12:24 pm
“So let’s hear a more creative solution from you.”
Sure thing. Cut taxes, kill wasteful government programs, open up the gulf of mexico and alaska for drilling.
LA
February 18th, 2010
12:33 pm
More bad news for America. November here we come!
Jobless Claims, Inflation Jump as Economy Wobbles
The number of U.S. workers filing new applications for unemployment insurance unexpectedly surged last week, while producer prices increased sharply in January, raising potential hurdles for the economic recovery.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/35457298
scrappy
February 18th, 2010
12:34 pm
So, Test scores were not inflated because of the emphasis of test scores because 175 of 188 school districts are not on the severe concern list?
This only tells me that the Atlanta School district was motivated enough by the funding based emphasis of test scores to carry out the cheating, while the other districts didn’t.
LA
February 18th, 2010
12:34 pm
“Did you hear about the Educator from India”
No but I did her the one about the Indian at the 7 eleven.
NJinGA
February 18th, 2010
12:35 pm
Since returning to school in January my child’s school has done almost nothing but prep for CRCT. If they effectively taught the curriculum the CRCT scores will follow, right? Apparently they scored lower than their rival school for the first time last year. And guess what they are the only school in our area not to get ‘0%’ questionable erasers. They weren’t high enough to make the suspect list, but I still am concerned. Meanwhile the IOWA test scores are dropping. HELLO! GA ranks near the bottom of the states as far as education goes, why teach to the CRCT and not a national test? I can just hear the cheers “We’re mediocre, we’re mediocre, Yeah!” WHich is then follwed by “Why aren’t are SAT scores as high as the rest of the country?”
Kyle Wingfield
February 18th, 2010
12:45 pm
Peter: I don’t know how you can pin the scandal on Perdue. Is he supposed to peek over every superintendent’s shoulder all the time? He — and every other governor — might have looked into cheating earlier, technology permitting, but I think on this issue he deserves credit for acting now.
Richard: No investigation into steroids in baseball has ever indicated that the majority of players were juicing.
Kyle Wingfield
February 18th, 2010
12:49 pm
Monroe Burbank: You don’t get to be as bad off as Georgia’s schools are in just eight years. I think there’s plenty of blame to go around.
To Carl Hodges and other test skeptics: Without testing, how do we know whether the kids are learning? There’s all this talk about testing being an “artificial measure.” OK, then what is a natural measure? Letting the school systems essentially evaluate themselves is what we did for more than a century, and the results speak for themselves.
LA
February 18th, 2010
12:50 pm
Well, looks like the resident AJC racist Cynthia Tucker needs to be fired. She wrote a column a few years ago condemning the Duke Lacrosse players even though they were acquitted.
NOW THIS!
Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson
Durham police late Wednesday arrested the woman who four years ago falsely accused three Duke University lacrosse players of rape. Investigators said Crystal Gayle Mangum assaulted her boyfriend, set his clothes on fire in a bathtub and threatened to stab him.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7068705/
LA
February 18th, 2010
12:52 pm
LOLOLOL!!!!!!
“Miss Me Yet?” Bush Merchandise a Hit Online
The cheery image of former President George W. Bush appeared on a billboard in Minnesota earlier this month, next to the words, “Miss me yet?” It appears a lot of people think it’s a fair question.
The online store CafePress saw a spike in demand for items featuring the same image as the billboard, the New York Daily News reports. Ten “Miss Me Yet?” items were on the company’s list of its top-selling designs, CafePress spokeswoman Jenna Martin told the Daily News.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/17/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6216739.shtml
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
12:55 pm
“No but I did her the one about the Indian at the 7 eleven.”
lolol!!! I guess HDB is applying for jobs today?
Jefferson
February 18th, 2010
12:55 pm
Kyle, is it easier to mess up the US economy in one year than it is the mess up the GA education system in 8 years?
LA
February 18th, 2010
1:00 pm
“I guess HDB is applying for jobs today?”
No, according to her, since a democrat is in the White House it means she has a job. I’m guessing that job is with a janitorial staff or the DMV.
Steve
February 18th, 2010
1:04 pm
More from the world of ‘School Administrators Gone Mad’
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/index.html?hpt=C1
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
1:16 pm
Miss Me Yet?” Bush Merchandise a Hit Online
I just ordered my shirt!!
Churchill's MOM
February 18th, 2010
1:19 pm
Wingboy………….Where are you going to send your child to school?
Churchill's MOM
February 18th, 2010
1:21 pm
Had lunch with my husband & he said that the tuition to Athens Academy was a little over $12,000 not less as I posted.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
1:35 pm
Horrible Horace and LA – I’m guessing you two have shacked up
- as “life partners”.
Jefferson
February 18th, 2010
1:41 pm
You can tell a lot about people by the cloths they wear…
LA
February 18th, 2010
2:05 pm
“I’m guessing you two have shacked up- as “life partners”.”
Dupestartrash is a racist.
Roger Webb
February 18th, 2010
2:16 pm
As a psychologist interested in measurement and intellectual development, I have been following stories of systematic cheating on tests since about 1968. Georgia is currently in the spotlight, but there have been some beauts over the years from all over (California, Florida, South Carolina, New York, and particularly Texas stand out in my memory).
The problems arises from two incompatible facts: first, scores on achievement tests are determined for the most part by general intellectual ability (g or IQ), and g is largely determined by the time a child enters school by genetics and early experience. Therefore, the is little the schools can do to change test scores by more than marginal amounts (and there will always be individual exceptions, but not enough to change the statistics). Second: we use standardized test scores as the sole measure of academic performance and put increased pressure on the schools to raise scores with increasingly severe consequences.
What is a teacher, principle or school system supposed to do when faced with an impossible task and severe consequences for failure? Cheating is about the only response left. To paraphrase R. D. Lange, it is a rational response to an irrational system.
I do not approve of what is going on in schools all around the country, but I think I understand it. Personally, I want to know the truth. Test scores have no inherent value. We use them, if we use them correctly, as measures of progress and predictors of future behavior (e.g success in college, on the job). Phony scores have no predictive value and are worse than nothing since they systematically confuse the people making educational decisions.
The solution is not to get rid of tests or brutalize the teachers and schools even further. The solution is to lower the pressure for higher scores and get back to looking at tests for what they can honestly tell us.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
2:22 pm
Sorry Trashsmeesha – you’re the racist (every poster on this blog
can testify to that), and a woman – hater (every one who disagrees
with you is a “girl”).
Don’t hate the messenger – change your foolish ways.
The Tar and Feathers Party
February 18th, 2010
2:22 pm
a girls gotta pull a lot of tricks for $378,000+ per year – just sayin’ some people work harder for their money than others.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
2:26 pm
LA Trashsmeesha – when are you going to get back to the topic ?
The last time you did was 10:17 this morning. Then you overdosed
on Obama again – sort of a Grand “Mull” seizure.
LA
February 18th, 2010
2:27 pm
“Sorry Trashsmeesha – you’re the racist (every poster on this blog
can testify to that), and a woman – hater (every one who disagrees
with you is a “girl”). ”
Whatever you say Mrs. Godzilla.
scrappy
February 18th, 2010
2:33 pm
Very well said Roger Webb…. I believe that is why the No Child Let Behind mess was doomed to fail.
I don’t have kids, yet, but seems like Home Schooling sounds better and better.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
2:34 pm
LA Trashsmeesha – Sooner or later, the REAL Mrs. Godzilla
will probably trash YOU.
As I’ve said many times, I only use one handle – don’t need
multiple personalities the way you do.
Can’t deal with my comments, much ?
LA
February 18th, 2010
2:47 pm
“As I’ve said many times, I only use one handle – don’t need
multiple personalities the way you do. ”
Sure thing there, Mrs. Godzilla.
“Can’t deal with my comments, much ?”
Well, considering you don’t comment on anything but me. Seems to me that you are obsessed with me.
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
2:51 pm
All these bumbling fumbling dummycrats howl in desparation as they are being shown the door.
AHH HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
2:56 pm
O-Dumb-dumb can fool the masses for only so long. Seeing him obama around like a fish out of water is most enjoyable. Listening to his grand speeches and knowing he has been neutered like a dog in the ditch is even better. St Pius Obama I is pretty much done.
AHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
3:01 pm
LA Trashsmeesha – If you disappeared tomorrow, no one would care.
That includes me.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
3:03 pm
I comment on a variety of topics. Some people
(like Mrs. Trashsmeesha Axelfraud) are just full
of themselves.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
3:04 pm
Ditto for Mrs. Horace.
LA
February 18th, 2010
3:06 pm
“If you disappeared tomorrow, no one would care. That includes me.”
Awe, some faceless buffoon of a blogger who calls herself dewstarpath doesn’t like me.
What ever will I do?
LA
February 18th, 2010
3:07 pm
“I comment on a variety of topics. Some people
(like Mrs. Trashsmeesha Axelfraud) are just full
of themselves.”
No you don’t. You just pop over here and trash talk. You’ve never commented on any of Kyle’s topics. You’re obsessed with me and everyone of your mindless comments prove it.
I’m full of myself?
I guess that’s better than being full of crap like you are.
LA
February 18th, 2010
3:08 pm
“Ditto for Mrs. Horace.”
LOL! Dupestar Mrs. Godzilla now copies me!
Whatever you say Mrs. Godzilla.
dewstarpath is really Mrs. Godzilla in drag
February 18th, 2010
3:09 pm
dewstarpath is Mrs. Godzilla in drag.
Churchill's MOM
February 18th, 2010
3:18 pm
Roger Webb 2:16 pm
If you are correct why do we spend money sending kids to school? Why not send the straight to the cotton field since they can only be “marginally” educated. Did you learn anything in school?
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
3:21 pm
The Dems are gonna be shown the door and the bottom of my foot come Nov 2010. AHH HAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!
“Dont cry for me little dummycrat, the truth is I never loved you…”
AHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
Horrible Horrace
February 18th, 2010
3:40 pm
Night too all the crying, bed-wetting liberals. Dont forget to put a little talcum on those red fannys tonite.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
4:15 pm
LA – 3:06
If you weren’t such a childish buffoon, you would realize that
bloggers don’t have faces online. So you can go breast-feed yourself.
LA – 3:07
Liar. As ususal, you take everything you ever do online and blame it
on someone else. And then you blame all of it on “liberals”, or act
like a kid and cry that someone’s picking on you. You’re too pathetic,
foul-mouthed and racist for any one to be obsessed with (except other
members of the fringe right, LIKE YOU).
Your stupid attempt to try to berae someone only reveals your own
ignorance. Stick to bashing Obama, it’s the only thing you losers
know how to do.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
4:15 pm
CORRECTION: berate someone (typo).
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
4:24 pm
This anti-president, anti-government nonsense has gotten WAY out
of hand.
Now, anti-government extremists are imitating Al-Qaeda, flying planes
into government buildings.
Maybe that’s what they mean when they make threats about 2012.
I doubt any of them vote.
LA
February 18th, 2010
4:37 pm
“Liar. As ususal, you take everything you ever do online and blame it
on someone else.”
LOLOL!!!!! Hypocrite much?
“You’re too pathetic,
foul-mouthed and racist for any one to be obsessed with (except other
members of the fringe right, LIKE YOU). ”
Yet you can’t provide any foul-mouthed or racist comments that I’ve written.
“your stupid attempt to try to berae someone only reveals your own
ignorance. Stick to bashing Obama, it’s the only thing you losers
know how to do.”
And you can’t even spell. Who’s stupid? YOU ARE!
I don’t have to bash Obama. Democrats are doing that to him right now.
BYE BAYH!!!!!!!
JD
February 18th, 2010
4:38 pm
Here is a link to a video of an educator explaining the problems with public schools. She worked in the Education Department of the Reagan administration and has the resume’ to support her positions:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/18/how-education-is-deliberately-dumbing-you-down.aspx
The video is followed by a Jay Leno video of the “Jay Walk All-Stars”. So for your attention to the opinion of a learned lady you are rewarded with the humor from the “graduates” of public schools. No child left behind – indeed all were apparently left behind.
This is a bi-partisan problem, just as the deficits, spending, earmarks, high tax rates and ever-expanding government are also bi-partisan.
The US government under Obama is on a similar path to that of Greece, and if you do not know then you should study the problems in Greece where over 60% of the workers are government employees.
The earlier post promoting TARP and huge government spending as a solution to a recession is just nonsense. Lower taxes and drastic spending cuts are the answer. For instance the Departments of Energy and Education need to be shuttered, NOW!
Only business is able to turn around a recession by expanding and hiring. No government program has ever solved our debt or deficit problems, only an expanding economy in the private sector can save this country from ruin.
Those who blame Wall Street and Big Business are not aiming at the proper target. The problems all start in Congress where the crooks spend our money to make us think they are giving us something, line their pockets while in office, line the pockets of their friends (CAN ANYONE SAY OBAMA, UAW, GM AND CHRYSLER?) and all the while give speeches begging for bi-partisan solutions, openness and sevility but continue business as usual in the Administration and Congress.
RE-ELECT NOBODY!
LA
February 18th, 2010
4:39 pm
“This anti-president, anti-government nonsense has gotten WAY out
of hand. ”
LOL!!!!!! Yep, and for 8 years you creepy little liberals bashed Bush.
Payback sucks don’t it!
“Now, anti-government extremists are imitating Al-Qaeda, flying planes
into government buildings. ”
Yep, and the guy left a note blaming Bush. Yep, that’s TWO left wing terrorist attacks this week.
“Maybe that’s what they mean when they make threats about 2012.
I doubt any of them vote.”
Keep telling yourself that as you watch Obama exit the White House.
LA
February 18th, 2010
4:39 pm
JD
UH OH! Watch out or dupestartrash will call you a racist for opposing her messiah!
LA
February 18th, 2010
4:42 pm
Looks like the guy who crashed the plane into the IRS building was a communist.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack6.html
LA
February 18th, 2010
4:46 pm
Obama Concedes Stimulus Not Working as Jobless Claims Surge
The jobless got a hand. Taxpayers got tax breaks. And a sinking economy stabilized.
But the public’s response to President Barack Obama’s recession-fighting policies has been increasingly dreary. And the reason is simple: six months of unemployment above 9.6 percent.
“It doesn’t yet feel like much of a recovery,” Obama had to concede Wednesday, even as he sought to promote his year-old massive economic stimulus bill.
Unemployment trumps all else. It provides a lens through which the public reads an economic narrative of bank bailouts, executive bonuses, expensive health care remedies and exploding debt.
In that environment, gross domestic product growth is an abstraction. Obama gets little credit for an economic turnaround under his watch. And Republicans seek political advantage by merely asking, “Where are the jobs?”
This week, on the anniversary of the stimulus plan, the White House is seeking redress. Obama and the president’s political arm at the Democratic National Committee are casting the program — initially priced at $787 billion and now estimated at $862 billion — as a demonstrable success and its critics as hypocrites.
Eric
February 18th, 2010
4:59 pm
To Chief Wiggam and Mike,
To answer your question–I came through the Dekalb County School System in the late 1970s. There was only the SAT then, and I did okay, but not fantastic. The bar on the SAT has been raised every year, so if a student t is not performing well, but would have 15 years ago, what does this really mean? It’s means the SAT, CRCT and others are a moving target based on someone higher-up’s set of criteria. That’s why it’s an artificial measure. I have been successful through hard work mostly–without high test results. I also do not condone cheating, but understand why it can happen with so much at stake. Why go through all this? Thank you to “an Educator” for your follow up comment.
Dale
February 18th, 2010
5:15 pm
I may have missed it, as I have not yet read ALL of the posts since this morning, but did anyone answer the question as to why any local authority (teacher, administrator, etc) has the answers to the tests? My wife says the teachers would know the answers! My answer to that is, to paraphrase an old quote, some of them could not spell their own names if you spotted them two letters. I know many great teachers, but most of our local teachers are pathethic. I was recently in a restaurant and had to move to another table because of the abuse of the English language coming from the adjoining table. I later realized it was a group of teachers. Our “selected” new head of the system was ranked 34 out of 37 candidates, yet he is getting the job because of who he knows. His resume had at least five glowing spelling errors of the simplest words and he has zero K-12 grade education experience. That is why I will spend almost one quarter of a million to send my child to one of the local private schools, which also happens to be one of the toughest academic schools in the Southeast. I may not have a future retirement, but my child will get an education.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:21 pm
JD – Just ignore LA the Tea Party punk. If you go to the
AJC search engine and type in “David Axelfraud”,”Smashsmeesha
Bobeesha”, and “LA”, you’ll see a commonality in the rants –
it’s all the same idiot.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:23 pm
Only an idiot like LA would mistake a typo for not
being able to spell – even AFTER I spelled it correctly in the
CORRECTION.
Such is the actions of a delusional ultrasubjective clown.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:25 pm
LA – 4:39 PM – I wasn’t even talking to you, and you rant on
about another idiot who put innocent people’s lives at risk.
I guess you think they were “communists”, too. Loser.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:28 pm
LA’s definition of a communist = anyone who is anti-Bush 43.
What an Axeldoofus.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:32 pm
Dale (5:15 pm) – The reason that the teachers have the answers to the
CRCT tests – they all teach in the state of Georgia. Corruption is rampant.
Most of the constituents represented by the legislature are staunchly
against anything that is done at the national level. Just ask LA – she is
a product of that state’s school system.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:33 pm
“Unemployment trumps all else”. You should know.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:38 pm
“JD – Just ignore LA the Tea Party punk. If you go to the
AJC search engine and type in “David Axelfraud”,”Smashsmeesha
Bobeesha”, and “LA”, you’ll see a commonality in the rants –
it’s all the same idiot.”
Now who’s the hateful bigot? You claim that I name call etc but you’ve spent all day calling me names.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:39 pm
“Only an idiot like LA would mistake a typo for not
being able to spell – even AFTER I spelled it correctly in the
CORRECTION. ”
No, you misspelled it, ma’am.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:39 pm
When you are for nothing but tax cuts for the top 5% of wage earners
and a free-market, what do you wind up with? Bloggers who rant all
day with no prospects, bragging about getting kicked off websites,
and who see “communists” everywhere.
These losers need to stop warring with everyone online and find something
productive to do with themselves. Employers can check blogs to see who
is a potential ANFO bomber or workplace shooter.
neo-Carlinist
February 18th, 2010
5:39 pm
Churchill’s Mom, if I may be so bold, I think R Webb’s point is, a score on a standardized test is perhaps not the best way to gauge the academic progress of a student. And, like it or not, remember what Judge Shmales told Danny in Caddyshack; “…the world needs ditch diggers too…” the point is, why does the GA Department of Education and APS, et all, put so much emphasis on the CRCT? as confirmed, even “teaching the test” students is not likely to produce anything more than a blip on the radar. in my unscientific opinion, most children are “wired” to succeed or fail by the time they enter kindergarten. there are many factors in play (genetics, pre-K home and academic enviroments, diet, non-academic pastimes such as musical instruction, athletics, etc.). AND, once in school some have the benefit of dedicated, professional educators, while others are handicapped by ticket-punching bureaucrats who are only concerned with their own income/careers.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:39 pm
“LA – 4:39 PM – I wasn’t even talking to you, and you rant on
about another idiot who put innocent people’s lives at risk.
I guess you think they were “communists”, too. Loser.”
LOL!!!!! You really are a troglodyte.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:40 pm
“LA’s definition of a communist = anyone who is anti-Bush 43.
What an Axeldoofus.”
Nope, the guy quoted the communist manifesto, moron.
Illiterate much?
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:40 pm
““Unemployment trumps all else”. You should know.”
And yet, here you are.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:41 pm
“These losers need to stop warring with everyone online and find something
productive to do with themselves.”
Well, at least you admit to being a loser.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:42 pm
“Employers can check blogs to see who
is a potential ANFO bomber or workplace shooter.”
Yep, and McDonald’s is watching you right now. Get back to flipping burgers.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:44 pm
“LA’s definition of a communist = anyone who is anti-Bush 43.”
Well, liberals do love communism. Obama’s entire administration loves communism. His green czar admitted to being a communist.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:44 pm
“Now who’s the hateful bigot ?” YOU ARE.
“You claim that I name call etc. but you’ve spent all day
calling me names.” WAAAAH. LIAR. You and Horace got
called out because of the foul rants you put on everyone else –
not because I targeted you.
Name one time I name – called the President (Bush 43) or any
other blogger who didn’t throw insults. You need to show others
the same respect you want for yourself (like not calling people
you don’t know as MA’AM – don’t be an idiot.)
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:45 pm
“JD – Just ignore LA the Tea Party punk.”
LOL! Dupestartrash doesn’t even realize that JD doesn’t like Obama.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:46 pm
“Name one time I name – called the President (Bush 43) or any
other blogger who didn’t throw insults.”
Stupid much, dupestar?
“You need to show others
the same respect you want for yourself (like not calling people
you don’t know as MA’AM – don’t be an idiot.)”
LOLOL!!!!!! Coming from a little girl who first attacked me. Nice.
Stupid meet dupestar, dupestar meet stupid.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:47 pm
“Troglodyte” is only for losers like you who sit up all day playing
“World of Warcraft”.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:47 pm
“You and Horace got
called out because of the foul rants you put on everyone else –
not because I targeted you. ”
LOLOL!!!!!!!! Sounds like dupestar can’t handle the fact that the country hates democrats.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:48 pm
““Troglodyte” is only for losers like you who sit up all day playing
“World of Warcraft”.”
HAHAHAHAAH!!!!!! You don’t even know what the word means!!!!!!!!
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:48 pm
I didn’t first attack you – you’re just whining about getting attacked
again – as I knew you would.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:48 pm
dewstarpath is an illiterate little girl.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:49 pm
You don’t know the meaning of most words. You’re probably
about to have a heart attack trying to spell correctly.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:50 pm
LA – 5:48 pm – Lame.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:51 pm
dupestar writes: I didn’t first attack you
Yet, this morning she wrote:
Horrible Horace and LA – I’m guessing you two have shacked up
- as “life partners”.
Stupid meet dupestar, dupestar meet stupid.
“You don’t know the meaning of most words. You’re probably
about to have a heart attack trying to spell correctly.”
LOLOL
Yet you thought Troglodyte was a word from World of Warcraft!!!!!
dupestar gives a new meaning to the word stupid.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:52 pm
“LA – 5:48 pm – Lame.”
Yes, dupestar is lame.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:52 pm
“You’re probably
about to have a heart attack trying to spell correctly.”
LOLOL!!!!!!!!!! I might die of laughter at the site of such stupidity that is dupestar!
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
5:57 pm
AH! – 5:51 pm – How do you know what word is in World of Warcraft
if you don’t play it all day? Idiot.
LA
February 18th, 2010
5:59 pm
“How do you know what word is in World of Warcraft
if you don’t play it all day? Idiot.”
LOL!!!!! Dumbest comment of the day.
1: You brought up World of Warcraft, dumb a$$.
2: Everyone knows what that game is.
Bottom line: You’re an illiterate little girl who spends her day pmsing all over a blog.
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:01 pm
dewstarpath
You brought up the game. I didn’t. You brought it up because you have no clue as to what it means. You then try to turn it around on me.
Bottom line: you are one dumb person.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
6:02 pm
Now I know who I am dealing with. A desperate little twenty-something
fool that thinks I’m easily caluminated by such insults as:
“dewstarpath is an illiterate little girl (5:48 pm)”
It looks like LA Axelfraud’s pea-brain is on overload.
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:02 pm
Come on dupestar, continue to put your foot into your mouth.
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:03 pm
“It looks like LA Axelfraud’s pea-brain is on overload.”
LOL! This, coming from a little girl who can’t spell, read or figure out that other people are making fun of her.
Stupid meet dupestar, dupestar meet stupid.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
6:04 pm
Is that the best you can do?
YOU brought up World of Warcraft last year. I’ve never played it,
but you’re dumb enough to say that “troglodyte” is not in the game.
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:04 pm
“A desperate little twenty-something
fool that thinks I’m easily caluminated by such insults as:”
LOL!!!!!!!!! Again, you misspelled a word!
What is “caluminated?”
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:05 pm
“YOU brought up World of Warcraft last year.”
Please post proof of that claim, ma’am.
“I’ve never played it,
but you’re dumb enough to say that “troglodyte” is not in the game.”
LOLOL!!!!! You first accuse me of spending my time playing that game……….and then you admit to playing it!!!!!
I NEVER SAID IT WAS IN THE GAME!!!!!! YOU DID!!!!!!
Look little girl, you are really embarrassing yourself.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
6:06 pm
Lying to yourself about who you think is on your side in a
“blog” is the height of anal retention in a fringe-right lunatic such
as yourself. The only one throwing insults at me is you.
How can I throw insults if I can’t spell? What are you reading, Doofus?
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:07 pm
“Is that the best you can do?”
Better question: Is that the best I can do to embarrass you?
NOPE! I don’t have to say anything. You’re embarrassing yourself all by yourself.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
6:07 pm
What part of “I’VE NEVER PLAYED IT” don’t you understand?
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:08 pm
“How can I throw insults if I can’t spell? What are you reading, Doofus?”
LOLOL!!!!!!! Dupestar doesn’t even know that she misspells her own insults!!!!!
What am I reading? Well for one, I am reading your crappy grammatical errors.
“Lying to yourself about who you think is on your side in a
“blog” is the height of anal retention in a fringe-right lunatic such
as yourself. The only one throwing insults at me is you. ”
Ma’am, do you really not understand that you are retarded?
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:09 pm
“What part of “I’VE NEVER PLAYED IT” don’t you understand?”
I know you play it because you brought it up.
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:10 pm
“The only one throwing insults at me is you. ”
No, Horrace also threw out insults at you but you were too stupid to not understand them.
dewstarpath
February 18th, 2010
6:17 pm
I’m through talking to this idiot. I have better things to do.
You win, twenty-something. Now go change your diaper.
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:18 pm
“I’m through talking to this idiot. I have better things to do.
You win, twenty-something. Now go change your diaper.”
LOLOL!!!!!! Sure thing, ma’am. Go back to flipping burgers!
LA
February 18th, 2010
6:18 pm
“Now go change your diaper.”
Is that what you tell your baby daddy?
dewstarpath
February 19th, 2010
6:35 am
LA has to be the dumbest blogger in the history of the
internet. Now all of his vitriol is online for all to see.
dewstarpath
February 19th, 2010
6:37 am
Maybe after a good night’s sleep she can read english again.
dewstarpath
February 19th, 2010
6:38 am
“Is that what you tell your baby daddy ?”
Proof of an ignorant racist mentality.
dewstarpath
February 19th, 2010
6:48 am
LA – 6:04 – It’s a keystroke error – it’s supposed to be “calumniated”.
Look it up and see what it means.
LA
February 19th, 2010
8:41 am
“LA has to be the dumbest blogger in the history of the
internet. Now all of his vitriol is online for all to see.”
LOL! This, coming from a gal who can’t spell and attacked me first! What a hypocrite she is.
LA
February 19th, 2010
8:42 am
“Maybe after a good night’s sleep she can read english again.”
Yes, maybe you will dupestar.
LA
February 19th, 2010
8:42 am
“Proof of an ignorant racist mentality.”
LOL! So, by calling you what you really are, a baby mama, you call me a racist?
LA
February 19th, 2010
8:43 am
“Look it up and see what it means.”
I don’t have to because I already know what the word means. You on the other hand can’t spell.
LA
February 19th, 2010
8:44 am
dewstarpath
I love how you show up on Kyle’s blog, say absolutely nothing about the subject of his topic, call me names and then pretend to be this innocent little toddler.
Bottom line: grow up, get out of the ghetto and get a life.
Horrible Horrace
February 19th, 2010
8:45 am
“Proof of an ignorant racist mentality.”
If you associate racism with that phrase and wear the label then you are the racist. AHH HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
Churchill's MOM
February 19th, 2010
8:49 am
Wing boy you have lost control of the board..
LA
February 19th, 2010
8:53 am
Horrible Horrace
dupestar made some homophobic statements as well. Maybe she’s a closet lesbian?
Just sayin’
Horrible Horrace
February 19th, 2010
9:04 am
Agreed Churchill. Its a shame that when posters like myself and LA attempt to have an adult conversation or discuss a topic we are constantly harrassed by these little wanna-be’s and stragglers.
Yes these stragglers, bad eggs and rotten apples who want to bring down society, who are a drag on society and have nothing to contribute other than white noise.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:04 am
“Wing boy you have lost control of the board..”
LOL
This is NOTHING compared to Bookman’s blog.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:06 am
Horrible Horrace
Yesterday dupestar said that I attacked her first and then I posted exactly what she had written on the first page. She fired the first shot and then had the nerve to say that she was under attack from me.
Dupestar has never contributed to any of Kyle’s topics. If you go back and look at all the pages where she come on the scene you’ll notice that the only thing she does is call me names.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:08 am
Washington Post Suggests Crazed Pilot Joseph Stack Was A Tea Partier
YET THEY FORGOT TO INCLUDE THIS RANT FROM THE PILOT.
Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
Joe Stack (1956-2010)
02/18/2010
Yep, those tea party people sure are railing on the US Constitution and bragging about communism…
Yep.
Horrible Horrace
February 19th, 2010
9:12 am
Anything to discredit the T Party. Dems and dupestart are running scared.
sam
February 19th, 2010
9:20 am
kyle, how would you know what drove these teachers to do what they did? are you inside their brains…while if its true, what they did it is absolutely wrong I can absolutely understand why they did it. imagine going to work every day, working your tail off, and because of a small number of kids who either just cant learn or dont want to , yours and familys livelihood is in jeopardy..many teachers in these ‘needs improvment’ schools were told that they would be fired if it didnt happen…and unfortunatly there’s no teachers union in georgia to protect them…i do not condone what they did (if they did it) but can absolutely understand why they did it….by the way, the baseball/steroid thing had nothing to do with HR records, like everything else it was about money….so you’re wrong on 2 points in this article.
sam
February 19th, 2010
9:22 am
this guy that crashed the plane is a tea partier? what a shocker…not.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:25 am
“this guy that crashed the plane is a tea partier? what a shocker…not.”
LOL!!!!!! Yet he quoted the communist manifesto and railed on capitalism!!!!!
He was a liberal terrorist.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:27 am
“and unfortunatly there’s no teachers union in georgia to protect them”
Ah, THAT’s what it all comes down to! LOL.
Teachers unions exist all over the country yet…….public schools are terrible.
“how would you know what drove these teachers to do what they did?”
Hey Sam, in case you don’t understand what an opinion blog is all about…………it’s an opinion by the writer of the blog.
Like Cynthia Tucker admitted the other day, “she don’t present facts, just her own opinion.”
sam
February 19th, 2010
9:34 am
my opinion, kyles opiniions are wrong and not based in facts….
sam
February 19th, 2010
9:36 am
most public schools are just fine by the way…the ones with good parents, good teachers, and good kids produce good students…the others do not. pretty simple really.
what exactly is a liberal terrorist?
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:36 am
“my opinion, kyles opiniions are wrong and not based in facts….”
So you are right and Kyle is wrong…..
Well, maybe you should write for the AJC since you’re the one who is right.
Now, please provide some facts to back up your statement about the IRS bomber being a tea party activist.
Horrible Horrace
February 19th, 2010
9:39 am
“while if its true, what they did it is absolutely wrong I can absolutely understand why they did it. imagine going to work every day, working your tail off, and because of a small number of kids who either just cant learn or dont want t”
Oh boo hoo…another liberal bed-wetting crybaby. The teachers took the job. If they dont like it then change career, stop the cheating or be fired.
Its really quite simple until a liberal chowder head chimes in. You guys could turn the preparation of a Big-Mac into an hour long discertation. Which BTW some of you already do.
“Whats your job title son?
Im the Big Mac preparation engineer, suh”.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:40 am
“most public schools are just fine by the way”
Again, your opinion with nothing to back it up with.
“what exactly is a liberal terrorist?”
One who loves the communist manifesto, rails on the US Constitution and kills himself trying to take out a building.
sam
February 19th, 2010
9:40 am
abolish the governmet, hates the TARP, hates the irs, rails against taxation without representation……sounds famililar.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:41 am
“Im the Big Mac preparation engineer, suh”.”
That’s what dupestar tells his buddies.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:42 am
“abolish the governmet, hates the TARP, hates the irs, rails against taxation without representation……sounds famililar.”
Quotes the communist manifesto, rails on republicans but says nothing about democrats…….
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:43 am
“taxation without representation”
That would be ALL American’s sam. Unless you love tyranny that is…….
sam
February 19th, 2010
9:44 am
i’m not going to spend the morning going back and forth with someone i have no respect for…i know you get off on this stuff, i dont. you arent interesting enough to hold my attention any more…
Horrible Horrace
February 19th, 2010
9:46 am
Abolish some of the govt entitlemint programs…absolutely.
Fire about 10% to 25% of the govt deadwood…absolutely.
Combine some govt depts like DEA/ATF…absolutely.
LA
February 19th, 2010
9:47 am
“i’m not going to spend the morning going back and forth with someone i have no respect for”
LOL!!!! Awe, another liberal blogger who has no respect for me. WAAAAAAAAAAH I’m so hurt!!!
“i know you get off on this stuff, i dont.”
Geez ma’am, do you always talk dirty to people you don’t know?
“you arent interesting enough to hold my attention any more…”
Well of course I’m not. I’m not Barney or Spongebob.
Horrible Horrace
February 19th, 2010
9:47 am
Nor do you have any respect for yourself. You are about as useful of a box of fiddle faddle.
GET OUT!
Horrible Horrace
February 19th, 2010
9:48 am
Another cry-baby goes running home to Mee-Maw.
“Mee-Maw they b smartuh then I iz.”
double roles
February 19th, 2010
10:19 am
I think that we all have missed the mark! We need to get back to the basics and the heart of teaching! We all-parents, teachers, administrators, and the community need to work together. I think that it is a shame that with all of the opportunities we’ve been given yet, GA students are still so far behind. We have gone backwards folks! Let’s stop trying to point the finger and get down to the nitty gritty and take ownership of ALL of our children’s education!
PLEASE STOP BEATING UP THE TEACHERS!! YES, A FEW BAD APPLES SPOIL THE BUNCH!
THERE ARE TOO MANY OF US TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THE STUDENTS WE TOUCH EVERYDAY!
I have had enough of the negative comments already!!!
Horrible Horrace
February 19th, 2010
10:41 am
“Let’s stop trying to point the finger and get down to the nitty gritty and take ownership of ALL of our children’s education!”
Oh here we go with the liberal mumbo-jumbo. “We are all good, we are all victims, lets not point the finger, blah blah blah.” In other words lets not do anything, let bygones be bygones so it can and will happen again and again and again.
The finger should be pointed at those responsible and they should be fired.
dewstarpath
February 19th, 2010
3:34 pm
LA & horrible :
If you two want respect, you should start acting like adults
and stop blaming everything on a political party.
How do I know you’re doing this? After this post, the next thing
either of you will put up will be an insult, and it won’t come
anywhere near reality. Something childish about liberals, etc.
That’s why there’s only two of you bashing everyone else all day –
even your first mention of the topic was used to “bash your enemy”.
Stop being “virtual wannabe patriots” and say something intelligent
for a change.
LA
February 19th, 2010
4:20 pm
“If you two want respect, you should start acting like adults
and stop blaming everything on a political party. ”
I could care less if you respect me dewstar. You’re the one who comes in here and starts name calling me.
“After this post, the next thing
either of you will put up will be an insult, and it won’t come
anywhere near reality.”
LOL!!!! You fired the first shot by calling me and Horrace gay the other afternoon.
Talk about childish. Take your own advice and grow up.
“Stop being “virtual wannabe patriots” and say something intelligent
for a change.”
Stupid meet dewstar, dewstar meet stupid.
Bottom line: If you’re going to hurl the first insult, be prepared to be bombarded with insults.
LA
February 19th, 2010
4:21 pm
Kyle, are you even around? Just wondering because this topic is now two days old and you’ve yet to make a peep. You usually chime in and tell me to stop bickering with others.
dewstarpath
February 19th, 2010
5:43 pm
LA – You need to stop talking like a fool.
You’ve been doing nothing but throwing insults to everyone else
since you’ve been on this blog. The only reason you and Horrible
hooked up in the first place is the commonality of your insults.
And I don’t take orders from you. I’ll say what I want when I feel
like it, even when you go whimpering to Kyle and admit to him
what you CLEARLY tell me you don’t do.
“Kyle, are you even around? … You usually chime in and tell me
to stop bickering with others.”
I wouldn’t be suprised if he banned your stupid child-personality
from his blog the way Jay Bookman did.
LA
February 19th, 2010
6:11 pm
“You’ve been doing nothing but throwing insults to everyone else
since you’ve been on this blog. The only reason you and Horrible
hooked up in the first place is the commonality of your insults. ”
LOL!!!! You’re the one who started this whole mess. Hypocrite much?
“And I don’t take orders from you.”
Never said you did, ma’am.
“I wouldn’t be suprised if he banned your stupid child-personality
from his blog the way Jay Bookman did.”
Well, if I get banned then you’d have to get banned as well for calling me gay etc…
You also threw out more insults at other people as well.
Jay never said why he banned me.
LA
February 19th, 2010
6:18 pm
“You need to stop talking like a fool. ”
Oh, how many comments could I copy and paste from you……… Too many to choose from.
Misspelled words, poor grammar, insults etc…………
By the way, this is a blog and no one can talk here.
English fail?
dewstarpath
February 19th, 2010
6:29 pm
“Oh, how many comments can I copy and paste”
What a stupid thing to brag about. I’m not suprised a dumb
statement like that came from you.
dewstarpath
February 19th, 2010
6:35 pm
“Misspelled words, poor grammar….”
Liar. I mistyped one word and you get your thong in a bunch.
Show me one example of poor grammar in any of my posts. Fool.
“BTW, this is a blog and no one can talk here.”
Speech generation is not a feature of most blogs. Quit smoking meth.
“English fail?” And you talk about MY grammar. Ingrate.
Linda Haren
March 2nd, 2010
4:09 pm
Behavioral research is clear: people, including professionals, cheat when the stakes are high or the measure is considered unfair. After putting in “report cards” on hospitals, surgeons began to game the system by turning away sicker cardiac patients to raise their scores. They admitted this is anonymous surveys. The most egregious was St. Vincent’s Hospital. If surgeons are willing to turn away the sickest patients because of a “report card” then I am not surprised school officials cheat. I am not excusing the behavior, but look what happened at Enron and the financiers whose only concern was short term profit. This overemphasis on tests is distorting the system and it is hurting students and their families far more than those who end up in AJC stories for tampering with tests. The most effective school system in the world (Finland) does not use these tests and its results are far better as a country, its teachers far more effective because they don’t “teach to a test” and its students far better educated.
The Truth
March 8th, 2010
11:10 pm
By now, we know that APS cheats…a LOT. I’ve seen it, and so have most APS teachers. Many of us have tried to report it to the professional standards commission, and NOTHING was done -no call back, follow-up, nothing. So…do they really want to know? Or, is this just for show -to help someone’s image? What is the real purpose of this investigation. The truth is right in their faces, and they keep acting like they are still unsure.
Pat
March 12th, 2010
7:38 pm
Oldtimer, have you been back to school or are you still teaching?
You have NO CLUE what teachers and students today are facing? This is my 31st year. I love STUDENTS! The math they are doing today in the sixth grade are concepts I didn’t see until a freshman in college.
I am truly amazed! The CRCT is not a pencil and paper test. I would NOT take the test and put my name on it! It is really difficult for our lower income students to understand ALL THE CONCEPTS.