Whatever happened to negotiating without preconditions?

Not with Iran, mind you, but with Republicans in Congress regarding health care.

The basic premise of a bipartisan, televised meeting between President Obama and the GOP to discuss health care is good — a step toward fulfilling the transparency on health-care negotiations, something Obama was for before he was against it. It might amount to nothing more than political theater, but there would be at least the chance of having a substantive discussion.

That can’t be the case, however, if the discussion is to start from the current House and Senate health-care bills.

This idea doesn’t make sense on any basis. It’s become quite clear since the Massachusetts special election that there’s no appetite among Democrats for forging ahead with the current bills. (Not to dance on his grave, but the death yesterday of Rep. John Murtha only makes the House Democrats’ numbers game harder.) The only reasons for trying to get Republicans involved in fixing the current bills are:

a) the false premise that, with a tweak here and a new wrinkle there — tweaks and wrinkles that until now have been rejected out of hand by Democrats — these 2,000-page documents can be modified to the liking of Republicans and (most important to Obama) independent voters; but these bills are far too complex, with too many interlinked and moving parts, for a sprinkling of concessions by the left to have any appreciable effect;

b) the political calculation that holding such a meeting, or even just offering to do so, will allow Democrats to flip field position and put Republicans on their heels for a change.

A more genuine offer by Obama would have been to sit down with Republicans, in a televised setting, and hear their ideas. The president would of course be free to make his own arguments — no preconditions from the other side, either — but what’s the problem with a mere discussion that starts from scratch?

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todd packer

February 9th, 2010
10:48 am

Murtha played a dirty trick on Republicans by martyring himself, Democrats will stop at nothing to ruin this Country.

Pat

February 9th, 2010
11:18 am

What ever happened to telling the truth?
The GOP doesn’t want health care reform.
This system works great for them, lining their pockets with insurance company campaign contributions.
This ridiculous charade – the pretense “we want reform too, just not this” is transparent and stupid – and yes, totally dishonest.
They want to defeat Obama in 2012, period, end of story.
To anyone paying attention, they revealed this strategy long ago.
Kill health reform, and make sure the public doesn’t get a chance to participate in a new system, and hand Obama a major defeat in his agenda.
The laughable claim that this “government takeover” of healthcare – in reality, insurance company reform – is something Obama tried to sneak in, to pull one over on the American people – is also a blatant lie.
He campaigned on it. It was a centerpiece of his platform – and he was elected.
Only by derailing healthcare reform can the Republicans win in 2012, and they’ll stop at nothing to do it – the lives and health of millions of Americans be damned.

Adolph

February 9th, 2010
11:18 am

US Grant was nicknamed “Unconditional Surrender Grant”, cause he wanted surrender without any pre-existing conditions, just like Kyle is writing about the health care plan. So many slaps against our president over hte healthcare plan! How many times does Kyle expect Obama to just turn the other cheek and cough?

The more things change, the more idiotic the metaphors become.

That’s 4 sure, that’s for dang shure.

Roselani

February 9th, 2010
11:39 am

You might not believe this, Mr. Wingfield, but a LOT of us actually think that the solution lies closer to the Democrats’ approach than this nibbling-around-the-edges idea of the Republicans. Why should the president roll over and trash the existing House and Senate bills? Drives me crazy to keep reading that the vote in Massachusetts — which HAS a health care program that’s very similar — signals the need to give up on the whole enterprise.

Kyle Wingfield

February 9th, 2010
11:43 am

OK, Roselani. So if the Democrats’ plan is what so many Americans want, why are the Democrats themselves so afraid of it?

Oh yeah, I forgot: right-wing misinformation. Because a diminished party and Fox News on their own can trump the bully pulpit of the presidency, and the airwaves and newspaper space commanded by the leaders of the majority in Congress.

Davo

February 9th, 2010
12:08 pm

I’m having a hard time picturing how any further debate on this issue could possibly work our well for Obama or the DNC. Barry is as intractable as ever, the repubs have no reason whatsoever to negotiate, and most people (regardless of where they stand on the issue) just want to move on and get something…anything…done in other pressing matters. Like, how about that national energy policy? After a year in office Obama has shown he can do nothing other than expand govt, increase spending and ignore the very people who voted him in.

While it may be convenient and reflexive to blame the GOP or conservatives; that is just not the case. Even dyed in the wool liberals seem to have had enough of this incompetent administration.

MSM – Rahm Emanuel Needs To Go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2DFOwunMFM&feature=ytn%3Amptnews

@@

February 9th, 2010
12:09 pm

but what’s the problem with a mere discussion that starts from scratch?

Nothing, Kyle, unless the dems have something they’re looking to hide. Any discussion that doesn’t leave the American people scratching their heads is a good thing. That can only happen with a good shampoo and rinse.

Obama’s refusal to scrap the present bill makes it appear as though the dems have too much of their time invested in the year’s work (recesses excluded). It’s what they get paid to do. When an employee brings forth a plan…a convoluted mess, the employer sends the employee back to the drawing board.

We, the American people, are their employer. They’d do well to remember that fact.

@@

February 9th, 2010
12:18 pm

Davo:

Rahm called the uber-leftists #&%%@ing re….treads?

They’re the only ones that want Rahm gone. If Obama hopes to portray himself as a centrist, which I don’t think he is…he’ll keep Rahm. The uber-leftists need to go suck an egg.

Road Scholar

February 9th, 2010
12:20 pm

‘A more genuine offer by Obama would have been to sit down with Republicans, in a televised setting, and hear their ideas. The president would of course be free to make his own arguments — no preconditions from the other side, either — but what’s the problem with a mere discussion that starts from scratch?”

From the first sentence, isn’t this what he has asked? What are the repubs afraid of? Place the demo’s health care summary in a folder and hand it to the repubs, just like they handed their ideas on legislation to Obama. How is this different from the last meeting?

Can Obama ask, what in the present legislation do you agree with or agree with with clarifications? Oh, we have to start from scratch to waste more time.

CJ

February 9th, 2010
12:48 pm

For the record, the traditional media is not liberal, as so-called conservatives would have us think. Fox News and the airwaves get a tremendous amount of help from the likes of the networks, CNN, NPR, and yes, MSNBC.

As evidence, most people don’t know that both HCR bills that came out of each house of Congress reduce the deficit–not increase it (e.g., the CBO estimated that the Senate bill saves $132 billion in the first decade and $1 trillion in the second). Unfortunately, the right-wing noise machine, which includes the traditional media, has most people believing the opposite.

With regard to Kyle’s question, why not start from scratch? First, on average, over 850 people die every week directly as a result of not having health insurance (according to a recent study by the American Journal of Public Health). The HCR plan that came out of the senate expands coverage such that 95 percent of Americans are covered. In short, it would save lives. Also, a recent study from the American Journal of Medicine indicated that 62 percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were caused by medical costs (a 20 percent growth over 2001).

In fact, both the insured and uninsured are vulnerable. The Dems HCR plan would cover about 95 percent of Americans, eliminate denials/premium ratings based on pre-existing conditions, eliminate insurance company practices of rescinding policies when you make an immaterial mistake on your application (e.g. “We see you forgot to indicate that you had acne 25 years ago. Therefore, we won’t pay for your cancer treatment.”), eliminate caps on coverage (many die, suffer, and/or go bankrupt because they had insurance but the cost of their treatment exceeded their policy limits), cap co-pays, and increase competition by providing all Americans with access to the same type of market exchange that members of Congress enjoy.

The Senate health care bill is a damn good bill, and it should be passed by the House and sent to the President’s desk for signature post-haste. Lives depend on it.

Hillbilly Deluxe

February 9th, 2010
12:51 pm

Obama wants to give the perception that he’s reaching out to the Republicans, so that he can shift the blame for the failure of his health care plan. It’s a political manuever, plain and simple.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 9th, 2010
12:58 pm

I’m disgusted that the overlords think we want them to sit around talking about health care while the conflagration that is Federal spending burns our collective futures. Rather than having the defective minds of politicians engaged over how they should interfere with healthcare, I would prefer to see such effort on ideas to constrain the waste that is the non-military portion of government.

HDB

February 9th, 2010
1:02 pm

“but what’s the problem with a mere discussion that starts from scratch?”

Starting from scratch means that the GOP can claim that they stopped health care reform…..and will present the insurance companies’ policies as their own. The GOP has YET to address pre-existing conditions, improper tort reform (it doesn’t work….lok at Texas AND Georgia), rate increases (Anthem WellPoint just increased their rates 30%), insurance commissioners, sales across borders (they already DO!), et. al…..

The closer this nation gets to universal coverage, the better……..

HDB

February 9th, 2010
1:04 pm

@ Ragnar: Let’s ALSO look at the waste in military spending……government waste is prolific….particularly with millitary spending……

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 9th, 2010
1:05 pm

Suspect our friend HDB hit the real issue: “Starting from scratch means that the GOP can claim that they stopped health care reform.” The democrats are more concerned about who gets “credit” or “blame” than addressing those nits that are blemishes on our health care system.

Simple Truth

February 9th, 2010
1:06 pm

Kyle…..If the Republicans in Congress stand on such firm ground, Why not take this opportunity to look the POTUS in the eye and call him out in front of all the TV cameras in the world? I am sure sure The good folks at Fox would be glad to loop footage of Obama being put in his place by the Republican leadership…..

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 9th, 2010
1:07 pm

Dear HDB @ 1:04, I respectfully disagree. Military spending is something that government ought to be doing; everything else is not. Let’s get rid of those areas that are 100% waste before we expend any effort on the 10% of theoretical waste in our military.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 9th, 2010
1:09 pm

Simple may have a good idea @ 1:06: perhaps the repubs ought to appoint Rush Limbaugh for a one-on-one with Chauncey, on any topic of Chauncey’s choosing. Or even Magna Sarah – she would clean his clock in a one-on-one.

Simple Truth

February 9th, 2010
1:09 pm

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 9th, 2010
1:07 pm

I can tell you are an intelligent person…. Please don’t insult the rest of us by refusing to acknowledge the amount of waste associated with Military spending.

jackie

February 9th, 2010
1:13 pm

CJ you must have been drinking the Obozo Kool-Aid while wearing your rose colored glasses and strolling down the yellow brick road on your way to Wonderland if you believe that massive universal mandatory health reform will lower the deficit and save the lives of uninsured space aliens. Any time the federal government is involved things always cost at least twice as much as they should. The only way Barry O. and his band of jolly incompetents could reduce spending would be to eliminate Medicare and Medicade and reduce Social Security benefits by 50%. But if the economy doesn’t recover it won’t make any difference there won’t be any tax payer dollars for Congress to waste on pork barrell projects. Folks have to have an income before they are subject to income taxes. You are allowed to bash banks for being greedy and stupid although Congress has proven to be stupider than the bankers, after all the bankers conned the geniuses on Capitol Hill into giving them the “stimulus” in order to get the economy booming again.

Steve

February 9th, 2010
1:17 pm

Starting from scratch does not mean the Republicans have stopped health care reform. It means just what it indicates. Both sides sit down and start working TOGETHER on Health Care reform. It also means that back alley deals made with the states of LA & NE and the Unions (Premium Health Care) are off the table.
I want to see it all on C-Span (despite it being boring) just as Obama promised no less than 1/2 dozen times. It is abundantly obvious to me that the people we have in Washington will not do much in the best interest of their people unless they know they have John Q Public (we, the people) looking over their shoulder.

Ethyl

February 9th, 2010
1:18 pm

The gop had 8 years to do something about healthcare and it wasn’t even acknowleged. You instead invaded Iraq and killed thousands of people.

Why didn’t you do something about healthcare 8 years ago? Idiots.

CJ

February 9th, 2010
1:21 pm

jackie: “CJ you must have been drinking the Obozo Kool-Aid while wearing your rose colored glasses and strolling down the yellow brick road on your way to Wonderland if you believe that massive universal mandatory health reform will lower the deficit…”

McClatchy: “Congressional Budget Office says Senate bill will cut deficit $132 billion over 10 years
The Senate Democrats’ health care bill could reduce federal deficits by $132 billion over the next 10 years, a long-awaited Congressional Budget Office analysis of the measure said Saturday.

CBO reported that the bill, as well as 383 pages of changes proposed by Democratic leaders Saturday, should mean 94 percent of eligible Americans would be insured by 2019, up from the current 83 percent.

That would mean an additional 31 million people would obtain coverage, leaving about 23 million, one third of whom would be illegal immigrants, without insurance.”

http://blogs.mcclatchydc.com/washington/2009/12/cbo-says-senate-bill-will-cut-deficit-132-billion-over-10-years.html

Scooter

February 9th, 2010
1:24 pm

This President was groomed in the crooked ways of Chicago Democrat’s political machine and he did little to change it. However, the Machine rocketed him to the Senate and on to the Presidency. He is unaccomplished and should be looked at with distrust… CHICAGO is his way.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 9th, 2010
1:27 pm

Dear Simple @ 1:09, you perplex me. I thought I wrote that perhaps 10% of military spending is waste. Although I would also affirm that all of that waste is imposed on the military by Congress, and specifically is not attributable to materials or personnel solicited by the military. Or are you suggesting that military wast is greater than 10% of the budget?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 9th, 2010
1:29 pm

Dear Ethyl @ 1:18, why do you say healthcare is a problem? Everyone in the world comes to the US to avail themselves of healthcare. It became a problem only when the idiots took over in 2007.

artatlarge

February 9th, 2010
1:36 pm

I’ll tell you why we can’t just start over again on health care.
Because disingenuous republican shills like you, Kyle, would just obstruct and obstruct, delaying any meaningful reform while continuing to line their pockets with health-insurance-industry dollars.
You would wait until unlimited corporate spending could be brought to bear on the presidential race, and then your corporate-tool of a president would sign a republican bill…
which will rely upon open-market “competition” to keep premiums low (but just low enough so that people will still pay them, by giving up other things). It would rely upon “tax credits” to pull money out of thin air and expect that imaginary money will always go where it’s supposed to and do what it’s supposed to do. It would rely upon the health-insurance industry to regulate itself, since no good government would dream of keeping those pirates in line. It would allow people the chance to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” and anyone who can’t manage it will be branded as a quitter, and a maker of poor life choices.
It will allow competition across state lines, so that the state with the most lax insurance-industry laws of all would see a boom of companies relocating to take advantage of less-stringent laws and requirements.
The republican bill would be, I believe, written hand-in-glove with the very pirates we are trying to reform, and the industry give-aways and tax-breaks would only deplete revenue further.
A republican bill would also allow thousands and thousands of people to die for lack of care while delay after delay is engineered by the very ^%@*^#!@^%s writing the bill, so that the industry can continue to play and continue to pay. Only after the lunatic fringe of the republican party notices that their lives are worse off than they were before would there be any true work done on a bill…which would be a sweetheart deal for the industry and a veritable killer for the average person.
That’s why we can’t just start over.
Republicans say the public doesn’t WANT HCR…but we do. It’s the Right who doesn’t want HCR in any form because it would cost them contribution dollars, lobbyist perks, and the advertising budget of a corporation who makes the most money when their customers sicken and die as quickly as possible.

Chris

February 9th, 2010
1:45 pm

To CJ–Your point about delay killing 850 people a week without med.insurance is basically meaningless…Since EVEN if the current legislation were signed today…NO CHANGES go into effect as far as insuring those that do not curently have insurance until 2013 at the very soonest! So those 850 people a week are still going to be dying…(If you believe those whacked out phoy statistics)

Democrats are Corrupt, Repukes are Lying Scum

February 9th, 2010
2:00 pm

We will start from scratch, right after the ALL OUT NUCLEAR EXCHANGE.

Glenn

February 9th, 2010
2:03 pm

Because the Republicans really don’t want to negotiate on healthcare . That’s to bad . More than selling across state lines & tort reform need to be accomplished .

Will

February 9th, 2010
2:10 pm

There are two purely political reasons (and for both sides of the aisle, there is no other reason for their being)why the republicans would be foolish to enter into anything that that would give the appearance of helping with health care reform.

One, any help given regarding health care reform risks the backlash of the tea party folks and republicans are as terrified of offending this block of voters as democrats are of offending minorities.

Two, health care reform, “soft on terror” and uncontrolled spending are three magic bullets the republicans should ride through the elections. If they do so, they will come close to retaking both chambers of Congress.

What’s that you say, that might be good politics but what about helping Americans with their health care? Oh please, if you think either side of the aisle would ever put the well being of the nation above the well being of political gain, you have not followed politics for very long. Sure, there may be an rogue member here or there that does that but that is the exception rather than the rule.

@@

February 9th, 2010
2:11 pm

I’ve been reading over at Bookman’s where this same debate was going on earlier today. All the leftists are screaming how the American people have been calling for nationalized healthcare for ions. Those leftists are nuts. I don’t know who they’re talking about.

Time and time again, the American people have sent a resounding “NO” to government-run healthcare.

If they would bother to look back, the initial push goes back to the 1920s. Origin? The Fabian Society out of England. They sought to develop a sister society here in the U.S., The Intercollegiate Socialistic Society. When that didn’t take hold they formed the League for Industrial Democracy. All attempts to socialize medicine failed with the exception of Lyndon Johnson’s Medicare bill.

Wherever I go leftists blame the old folks and their Medicare for today’s economic woes. The socialist dream was realized with Medicare and now the leftists complain?

Like I said…..sometimes they feel like a nut…..sometimes they don’t. I think their nut have dried up and is rattling around in that empty shell that is their head.

Weird! These leftists are just WEIRD!

Democrats are Corrupt, Repukes are Lying Scum

February 9th, 2010
2:13 pm

After the ALL OUT NUCLEAR EXCHANGE, we will all have the same, equal health care: NONE

Jimbo

February 9th, 2010
2:15 pm

obozo is an idiot. whatever happened to the CSPAN coverage the lying jerkwater “promised”? Oh, I forgot – wouldn’t want us to know exactly how he sold us out to the unions, etc.
And why in the world would Republicans want to sit down with barry who said “I am willing to listen to them. If they can show me how to insure 30 million people without any cost I would like to see it:.
barry, peonlosi and reid need to quit while they are ahead.

Citizen of the World

February 9th, 2010
2:22 pm

Here’s the Republican “plan.” Sarah Palin might describe this as a “no-hopey, no-changey thing” for the millions of Americans who can’t get or afford health insurance under our current system.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10705/hr3962amendmentBoehner.pdf

DAVID: AJC Truth Detector

February 9th, 2010
2:26 pm

OBAMA vs AMERICA….Football score…Obama..0….AMERICA 30,…. at half-Time….OBAMA is an ideologue…..He will keep running the same losing plays…..He doesn’t know any other way…..OBAMA is hardheaded…….HE HAS A THICK HEAD.

DAVID: AJC Truth Detector

February 9th, 2010
2:27 pm

Citizens of the World……Sir…..Get a BRAIN…….then comment

DAVID: AJC Truth Detector

February 9th, 2010
2:28 pm

Citizen of the world…..YOU ARE CLUELESS on the subject…

Citizen of the World

February 9th, 2010
2:33 pm

David, Obama’s head? My brain? What’s the matter, can’t address the actual issue at hand?

@@

February 9th, 2010
2:33 pm

The Fabian Society in the early 1900’s held onto the ideal of a scientifically planned society and supported eugenics by way of sterilization. OR abortion.

I’d say ^^^ that pretty much describes the Democratic platform. No doubt about it. A bunch of left-wing radicals.

Rafe Hollister

February 9th, 2010
2:35 pm

CJ, even the CBO admits that this Health Insurance Abomiination bill is misleading. When scored over 10 years it does decrease the deficit, because we pay taxes in for 5-6 years before they start paying out benefits. Even I could design a bill that helps the deficient if you will give me money for years before I have to return any of it. Barry has rigged everything he has proposed that is harmful to the country to take effect after he is gone, so that he doesn’t get the blame. He sees how much damage he has done to Bush, so he doesn’t want someone to destroy his rep in the same manner. The Stimulus he rigged to pay out most of the money in this election year even though we were in desperate need last year. He is a dishonest to say the least.

He doesn’t want to start over on the bill as he fantasizes that he is on the one yard line and ready to score. He wants to blame the republicans for his inability to score, but the problem is his teammates. The wide receivers are afraid to catch the pass, the blockers are looking over their shoulder to see who is watching them, and Pee Wee Herman and the Nanny are his running backs. Punt Bama Punt, or should that be O Bama.

Jimbo

February 9th, 2010
2:35 pm

Kool-Aide will make them clueless, remember the demoNcrats pledge:
KEEP THEM STUPID
KEEP THEM POOR
AND THEY WILL
COME BACK FOR MORE

You dems want health care? Then get on your elected workers (yes, they work for US) to pass drug testing for welfare recipients! Sounds too racist? Not my fault.

CJ

February 9th, 2010
2:45 pm

Chris wrote, “To CJ–Your point about delay killing 850 people a week without med.insurance is basically meaningless…Since EVEN if the current legislation were signed today…NO CHANGES go into effect as far as insuring those that do not currently have insurance until 2013 at the very soonest!

Wrong!

Washington Post: “In the Senate bill, sick uninsured people with preexisting medical conditions could immediately obtain private coverage through state-based high-risk insurance pools, and insurers could no longer deny coverage to children under age 18 with preexisting conditions. Small businesses with fewer than 25 employees would become eligible for tax credits to purchase insurance for their workers. Adults 26 years old or younger could remain on their parents’ policies.

Six months after enactment of the plan, co-payments and deductibles on preventive services, including physical examinations, immunizations, and mammograms, would be eliminated for everyone. Insurers would be barred from dropping beneficiaries when they become sick and from imposing lifetime limits on coverage.”

@@

February 9th, 2010
2:49 pm

Ewwww, you leftists are disgusting.

Initially soldiers, convicts and settlers killed Aborigines as if they were animals threatening the crops. Later, in the 20th century, Fabian socialists provided the intellectual justification for the eugenics policy that led to the stolen generations scandal.

The British exterminated the entire tribe of Tasmanian aborigines, leaving only 40 survivors who were herded off their land and placed on an offshore island gulag. The governor’s wife led the hunt for their skulls to decorate London mantelpieces. At least there was a parliamentary inquiry, which reported in 1836 that “not a single native now remains upon Van Dieman’s land … the adoption of any conduct, having for its avowed or secret object the extermination of the native race, could not fail to leave an indelible stain upon the British government”. That “indelible stain” was, a century later, termed “genocide”.

Thank goodness, there are those who have caught on to your subversive tactics. Racism in its ugliest form.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

DISGUSTING, I tell you!!!

Adolph

February 9th, 2010
2:53 pm

This is all Bush’s fault, and everyone knows it. You neo-clods can’t put together one cohesive argument other than write cheat sheet hints on each other’s backsides so it’s the first thing you all see in the morning.

I demand your censorship!

Rafe Hollister

February 9th, 2010
3:00 pm

Fight, Fight on, you liberal warriors. The longer you drag this stinking corpse of a HC bill around and grieve over its death, the better the chance for a conservative revolution this Nov. Fight for what you view as the truth, listen to your sympathetic media morons in the lame street media, post your diatribes, burn your incense, toke your weed, and prepare to be amazed at the intensity of your opponents on election day.

Glenn

February 9th, 2010
3:06 pm

I wish we could take all the people on the political extremes blow them into dog food . Its the only way this healthcare debacle will ever get handled . I like my insurance alright but it is silly that my neighbor who has a arm injury relating to baseball can’t get covered by any provider . It is also silly that another friend who wants to start his own business can’t because of the price of coverage for his family . Nevermind that his branching out on his own would probably be better for the economy in general .With the price of insurance increasing at the rate that it is & with the tightness of the economy & don’t know how small business owners are doing it . That being said , I like my policy & glad my boss covers it for me .

Simple Truth

February 9th, 2010
3:08 pm

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 9th, 2010
1:27 pm

Ragnaf,

I spent 15 years serving this country as a member of the U.S. Army intelligence corp. I would be willing to bet that Military waste greatly exceeds 10%!This should not be viewed as some sort of attack on our service men and women, but the procurement proceedures employed by all branches of service invite corruption and the civilians that are appointed to most DOD positions have no incentive to rein in cost…..

HDB

February 9th, 2010
3:14 pm

Ragnar: Having been in military procuerement, I can tell you that wasteful spending in the military ABOUNDS!! I was able to save 25% of my department’s budget by eliminating no-bid contracts, shopping for the best deals. My CO told me that I HAD to spend the money; we couldn’t roll it over!! If a department spent $250 for a hammer one could get from Home Depot at $35…..note the savings!!

The problem that I have with going back to the beginning is that there will be constant bickering about what is to be done. If BOTH sides look at the COMMON points…..start from THERE…..and address the key issues pertaining to health care….THEN MAYBE SOMETHING COULD GET DONE!!

I read Coburn’s idea…..not anything that hasn’t been heard….and INEFFECTIVE!!

Tort reform doesn’t work….remember, Ragnar? Didn’t you say that malpractice insurance in GA has gone up 30%???

Gordon

February 9th, 2010
3:20 pm

Ragnar Danneskjöld at 12:58: Well said. 10 times bigger problem, because it affects 10 times more people. Might I add that no large federal entitlement program that has ever been created or significantly expanded has ever failed to cost orders of magnitude more than what was projected.