Which Obama do you believe?

From President Obama’s State of the Union speech last night:

But what frustrates the American people is a Washington where every day is Election Day. We can’t wage a perpetual campaign where the only goal is to see who can get the most embarrassing headlines about the other side -– a belief that if you lose, I win.

(snip)

So, no, I will not give up on trying to change the tone of our politics. I know it’s an election year. And after last week, it’s clear that campaign fever has come even earlier than usual. But we still need to govern. (emphasis added)

From Obama’s Organizing for America Web site, updated just after midnight:

I just finished delivering my first State of the Union address.

I set out an urgent plan for restoring economic security for struggling middle class families. This is my top priority, but I cannot do it alone — and that’s why I’m writing to you now.

(snip)

So tonight, I’m asking you to join me in the work ahead. I need your voice. I need your passion. And I need your support.

Can you help fuel our fight for the middle class with a monthly donation of $15 or more? (emphasis added)

As the president himself said last night, “No wonder there’s so much cynicism out there. No wonder there’s so much disappointment.”

81 comments Add your comment

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 28th, 2010
1:13 pm

Odd, the extracted languages sound to me like the disjointed pleas of a television evangelist. Maybe a coincidence.

Jefferson

January 28th, 2010
1:30 pm

I don’t agree with everything, but he’s going to be there for a long time, maybe longer. This is the system we have.

LA

January 28th, 2010
1:38 pm

How about……I don’t believe Obama at ALL!

He’s a liar and a one-term president.

Intown Lib

January 28th, 2010
1:42 pm

I don’t see the inconsistency. Obama’s PR machine needs money to get out his centrist message over airwaves crowded by other PR machines. Kyle, this attack is weaker than most of your anti-Obama arguments. And that’s saying alot.

Horrible Horrace

January 28th, 2010
1:45 pm

I dont believe either of the Obamas or the other one.

NO-BAMA!

Kyle Wingfield

January 28th, 2010
2:02 pm

Intown, I don’t know what I’m more amazed by: Your thinking that it’s consistent for a president to lecture others about perpetual campaigning while he campaigns perpetually, or your thinking that Obama has any trouble at all getting his message out.

sam

January 28th, 2010
2:11 pm

what about that message up there is campaigning? its basically the DNC asking for a donation..thats what they do….looks like kyle phone in another one.

@@

January 28th, 2010
2:32 pm

‘Ya know, Kyle, when he made that comment….We can’t wage a perpetual campaign… I couldn’t help but recall how quickly he brought Plouffe in after the Brown win in Massachusetts.

He sho ’nuff didn’t waste no time gearing up the ol’ tried & (cough)true(cough) campaign machine, now did he? I’m tellin’ ‘ya, this Obama thinks if he can stuff enough gauze up our nose the voters won’t smell his stink. If he can stuff enough up his supporters’ noses, they won’t notice theirs are bleeding.

I don’t YIKE him! I don’t YIKE him one bit.

Kyle Wingfield

January 28th, 2010
2:36 pm

sam, I agree — that’s what politicians do (though there is a distinction between Obama’s OFA and the DNC). What I’m tired of are Obama’s constant attempts to portray himself as being above the fray, as some kind of post-politics politician.

I’d have a lot more respect for him if he’d said, “You know what? I believe in this health care reform and I’m going to campaign for it across the country as if I were campaigning for office.” If he’d solicited donations after that kind of speech, rather than after lecturing everyone else in Washington about doing business as usual, I’d have no problem with it.

LA

January 28th, 2010
2:39 pm

“Obama’s PR machine needs money to get out his centrist message over airwaves crowded by other PR machines. ”

LOLOLOL!!!!!! What centrist message?

LA

January 28th, 2010
2:41 pm

“But what frustrates the American people is a Washington where every day is Election Day.”

So why does he consistently campaign for himself?

“Can you help fuel our fight for the middle class with a monthly donation of $15 or more? (emphasis added)”

Awwwwwwwwwwe, I guess this proves that his “economic plans” from 2008-09 failed.

LA

January 28th, 2010
2:43 pm

“Kyle, this attack is weaker than most of your anti-Obama arguments.”

If you want to read about attacks, go check out Jay Bookman’s blogs.

Topics;

Sarah Palin is stupid, Dick Cheney is evil, Ronald Reagan didn’t end the Cold War, Bush sucks, conservatives are racists etc………….

Bottom line: If you think Kyle attacks Obama then you might want to wake up and go read the trash that’s posted on Bookman’s blog.

@@

January 28th, 2010
2:56 pm

Mind you, I have no use for politicians who extort, but this is funny!

Landrieu to Obama: Gee, Thanks for the Leadership

Emasculated by a woman.

John D. Poole

January 28th, 2010
3:03 pm

Well, as a former boss of mine used to say, “J.D., don’t tell me what you’re GONNA do, tell me what you DID.” As a guy who was recently unemployed, I can tell you that actions speak a heck of a lot louder than words, and noone that I know cares more about healthcare and hope and change more than they care about being able to work enough to pay the bills and maybe get ahead a little. If Barry can deliver, then great. Until then, I’m not too excited to hear his ‘late-night style’ monologue.

Allen

January 28th, 2010
3:37 pm

Kyle, I think the operative part of the “perpetual campaign” remark was “where the only goal is to see who can get the most embarrassing headlines about the other side -– a belief that if you lose, I win.”

ugaaccountant

January 28th, 2010
3:44 pm

“Can you help fuel our fight against the middle class”

See if you can find the correction I made to Obama’s quote. It’s obvious that my revised version is what he actually said.

md

January 28th, 2010
3:45 pm

Barry has been talking out both sides of his mouth since day one, but people tend to hear only the side that justifies their beliefs.

I see nothing changing in the coming months.

@@

January 28th, 2010
3:50 pm

Allen:

Obama has been taking jabs at Bush from day one. He continues to do so after a year. He expands on Bush to encompass the GOP. He’s been playing “gotcha so you can’t get me” from the get-go. He’s never stepped out of his campaign mode. It’s the only thing he knows.

sam

January 28th, 2010
3:59 pm

actually kyle, there is no difference. it all goes to the same place..what you’re doing here is that manufactured outrage you do so well. its just not believable. is he not supposed to raise any money because he asks the guys on the hill to cool down a bit? theres a big difference and i suspect you know that. although i’m not sure, you may just be that obtuse.

Kyle Wingfield

January 28th, 2010
4:13 pm

Funny, sam, that’s the way I see your outrage about my outrage.

I guess we should just let the president say what he wants and do what he wants, and never the twain shall meet, but everything will get better! Just watch!

sam

January 28th, 2010
4:17 pm

no outrage here kyle…are you telling me that the way you see it is there’s no difference between a GOP Senator going on Rush’s radio program (Then Fox News TV that night) and railing against everything Obama says/does and Obama taking donations through a website?

Kyle Wingfield

January 28th, 2010
4:19 pm

Did the senator go on TV/radio after lecturing the rest of Washington about playing politics?

sam

January 28th, 2010
4:21 pm

i’m certain he campaigned on unity and ending the partisan bickering in washington, getting things done, etc….

retiredds

January 28th, 2010
4:39 pm

Kyle, I see where in the Senate the vote to raise the debt limit was along party lines, 60 for and 39 against. I hope you see as much humor in that as I do. What are they going to do, not pass it? And, as if the Repubs have no stake in the 12 trillion, and counting, debt. Just thought you might be as amused as I am.

Allen

January 28th, 2010
4:47 pm

Kyle has blurred the distinction between “playing politics” and advocacy.

LA

January 28th, 2010
5:06 pm

“Obama has been taking jabs at Bush from day one. He continues to do so after a year.”

That’s because he has nothing else. Bashing Bush is what got the democrats in power but it’s run its course………

What is scary is the fact that Obama is a very weak president who’s already lost the health care battle.

LA

January 28th, 2010
5:06 pm

“i’m certain he campaigned on unity and ending the partisan bickering in washington, getting things done, etc….”

He’s still campaigning on that…. I keep wondering when he actually govern as president.

LA

January 28th, 2010
5:07 pm

“railing against everything Obama says/does and Obama taking donations through a website?”

What planet were you on with for 8 years, the media railed against Bush?

saywhat?

January 28th, 2010
5:25 pm

Allen said it pretty well, but you still don’t seem to get it Kyle, so I will try again.
Allen’s 3:37 is spot on. You ignored the descriptive clause after the word “campaign”, and assigned your own meaning to it. If you look up campaign in the dictionary, you will see it has more than one definition (Hint: political campaign vs military campaign). Perhaps a better choice, so as not to confuse you, would have been the word “battle” or “war” (note the telling use of the verb “wage”) instead of the first use of the word “campaign”. He wasn’t talking about election campaigns in that paragraph.
On the other hand, the second use of campaign that you highlight, “campaign fever”, clearly refers to the excitement which accompanies the election process. Even if he did mean to use the word in the same way in both instances(and i think it is clear he didn’t), how aboout this? One can run multiple campaigns, with different purposes. One can campaign for one’s own re-election, while at the same time campaigning for the wanton destruction of cute little puppies. If one calls for the end of the second campaign, does that mean it is hypocritical to run for re-election?

joan1

January 28th, 2010
5:26 pm

Didn’t anybody have the same sensation I did when listening to him? I felt like Alice through the Looking Glass where everything was upside down. His rhetoric is so bizarre. We, as a nation, are on our knees, and he is saying we will double our exports in 5 years! He is still pushing the Dems version of healthcare. He isn’t going to take any suggestions from Republicans, but says they don’t make any–and they do. Doesn’t he think we have eyes to see and ears to hear what is going on around us? Doesn’t he read the papers? I think maybe he thinks his constituency just listens to him and blindly believes, and that is all that is required. He may be right about that. I saw a focus group after the speech, and only one woman on it, and I won’t mention her color, was gung ho about all the things he said. I wondered if she has been away all year!

Jess

January 28th, 2010
5:32 pm

Which Obama do you believe could also include:

I need another $150,000,000,000 right now to create jobs,
or
We have got to control spending, and I will push for a freeze on non security spending as soon as possible.

To Diane Sawyer. I would like to have more open negotiations even put them on C-SPAN, but I don’t control Congress. However, I can say I have not made any deals in secret closed door meeting.
or
The Obama who met behind closed doors with the unions two weeks ago and promised them exemption from the tax on “cadilac” health care plans.

The Obama who was going to keep lobbyists out of government,
or
The Obama who hired seven lobbyists on the white house staff.

ect., etc.,……

This could go on and on, but I’m tired.

Jess

January 28th, 2010
5:37 pm

Allen,

Kyle has blurred the lines………..Kyle is the AJC conservative commentator. He is an advocate for conservatives just as Cynthia and Jay are for liberals. This has never been in question.

Sarah

January 28th, 2010
5:43 pm

I watched President Obama’s State of the Union last night, Mr. Wingfield. He reminds me of my six year old son. Stepping up to the podium with crumbs on his mouth, he desperately needs us to believe it wasn’t him who stole the cookies. Sad to watch.

s.mullen

January 28th, 2010
5:58 pm

which obama do i believe? hmmm, that’s a hard one. do i believe what turned out to be lies during his campaign or do i believe the same lies that he told us last night?

i believe the man lies like a bad toupee. he had his chance and he blew it. november isn’t far off but I can’t wait for obama to be gone in 2012. enough is enough!

LA

January 28th, 2010
6:05 pm

“”This must be what it feels like to live in a monarchy when some little kid becomes king due to a premature death.”"

Rush Limbaugh

LA

January 28th, 2010
6:11 pm

All Dictators Attack Middle Class

Rush

Remember something, folks, dictators always go after the middle class while talking about saving the middle class. Obama, for a year, has talked about saving the middle class, reviving the middle class, he’s got a Middle Class Task Force, he’s got Biden running the Middle Class Task Force. Obama even went to have a meeting with the 20 members of the Middle Class Task Force, which he impaneled early last year. He had a teleprompter to speak to 20 people. So we’ve had a Middle Class Task Force; we’ve had the stimulus Porkulus slush fund; we’ve had the bankers berated for not lending to small business so they can grow. And what’s happened? What’s happened? Unemployment continues to skyrocket. There has been nothing good that’s happened in the middle class, and now Obama said we are going to focus on jobs, I want a jobs bill on my desk from Congress immediately.

This is what dictators do: they demand, they threaten, they intimidate, they bully, and they attack the very people that they say they are trying to defend. I said at one point during the health care debate on the whole concept of death panels, there’s a reason, if you go back to world history, you go back to Cambodia, you go back to Mao Tse-tung in China, you go to Cuba, you go to old Soviet Union, one of the things they did was target — Hitler, health care — target the elderly. Target them. Why? Because they vote, they are more likely it vote, and they’re more educated, they have more experience, they know more, they have been alive longer. You get rid of the people who know the past. You get rid of people who know how great the eighties were with a conservative economic policy, get rid of those people or limit them. Make no mistake. I mean the Bolsheviks, they got rid of the kulaks, the ChiComs got rid of the middle class, same thing with Pol Pot in Cambodia, same thing with Cuba, every other Central and South American country, Hugo Chavez, Venezuela, socialism all to benefit the middle class, the working people.

But what’s he doing? They’re rolling blackouts, there’s an energy crisis, he’s nationalizing businesses and the standard of living is plummeting while his goes up all in the name of helping the middle class. And don’t forget our caller earlier in this hour, willing to work three jobs, can’t find even a job that will make him underemployed, and is convinced that this is being done on purpose because Obama wants as many Americans being supported by the federal government in some way or manner as he can. And the people he’s targeting are the people who are working, and most of the people working are middle-class people. He wants them on the welfare rolls. A lot of people have had this theory, Cloward-Piven, these two people from Columbia.

joan1

January 28th, 2010
6:21 pm

I am puzzled about the definition of the “middle class”. Is Obama’s different than mine? Who are his “middle class” that he is trying to help? It can’t be a taxpayer.

joan1

January 28th, 2010
6:24 pm

Hey, I found some definitions of “middle class”–I am one! # the social class between the lower and upper classes-wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
# Middle class is the group of people in contemporary society who are between the working class and upper class. This socioeconomic class includes professionals, highly skilled workers, and lower and middle management. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_class
# The Middle Class were an American punk rock band established in 1976 in Santa Ana, California. Debate continues to this day as to whether Middle …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Class_(band)
# occupying a position between the upper class and the working class; characteristic of the middle class(es); reflective of that class’s values and aspirations. Commonly associated with a desire for social respectability and an emphasis on family values and education
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/middle-class
# People who earn enough money to live comfortably, such as doctors and lawyers
victorians.westsussex.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/glossary/
****It occurs to me that Obama’s “middle class” aren’t the above, but in fact, he should be talking about “the entitlement class”.

# A group of people that included traders, merchants and others who were economically between the poor and the very rich that emerged during the Renaissance.

LA

January 28th, 2010
6:35 pm

“Who are his “middle class” that he is trying to help? It can’t be a taxpayer.”

The unions.

Michael H. Smith

January 28th, 2010
6:47 pm

I don’t believe Obumer, no matter how many versions of him appears, Kyle.

Michael H. Smith

January 28th, 2010
7:00 pm

Partly LA, the rest are Government employees feeding at the public trough and they are mostly union members. How about that Joan1? It would fit your “middle class” definition. The average annual income of a federal employee has been cited as twice the average income of people employed in the private sector. Not to mention the big difference in benefits that all know do exist. Obumer’s stimulus didn’t actually create jobs either: More jobs were lost since he took office than have been created.

And before some leftwing clown like Brucie Wilcox asks if I use my real name. Yes, and without shame. Only those ashamed of their name and comments or can’t take the heat or fear reprisals need pseudonyms to hide behind.

@@

January 28th, 2010
7:47 pm

Michael:

Only those ashamed of their name and comments or can’t take the heat or fear reprisals need pseudonyms to hide behind.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say ^^^ THAT!

I don’t use my real name, but still, a coupl’a leftists at Bookman’s found a way to attack my offline personal business. One was mistaken when he thought it was MY personal financials he put up. In all fairness he really didn’t go outside the blog to do that. It was an honest mistake with intent to do harm.

The other leftist though? Went out of her way….off site to commit her evil deed.

Progressives cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

Lewis

January 28th, 2010
8:15 pm

Kyle: Please provide further explanation of your full views on this subject.

LA

January 28th, 2010
8:26 pm

“I don’t use my real name, but still, a coupl’a leftists at Bookman’s found a way to attack my offline personal business. ”

You could sue the AJC over that one. If anyone attacks someone personally by gaining access to their accounts then that is a big fat lawsuit.

Bookman needs to know this.

“Went out of her way….off site to commit her evil deed.”

Who, Mrs. G, Jennifer?

@@

January 28th, 2010
8:44 pm

LA:

I’m not sayin’. She denies it but the threats days before lead me to believe she’s the one.

I had used excerpts from a very pricey subscription I have w/attributes. I had so irritated her with a comment I made that she vowed to report me to SOMEONE. Within a couple of days, jay was contacted by the site I subscribe to asking that they be removed. I’m only allowed to pull 4 sentences without permission.

I learned two things from the experience. The four sentences only thing and progressives can be vile in their attacks. jay and I talked about it thru e-mail…there’s no way to track the snitch.

I’m not the suing kind.

LA

January 28th, 2010
9:03 pm

“I’m not sayin’. She denies it but the threats days before lead me to believe she’s the one.”

Does Jay know who it is? If he does then he should ban her. If he doesn’t then he has a lot of nerve banning people who disagree with him. He still never said what he banned me for.

Anyhoo, it proves how vile liberals really are and Jay needs to understand that.

LA

January 28th, 2010
9:06 pm

@@

I’m going to take a good guess and say it’s probably Jennifer. Mrs. G is a jerk but I don’t see an old lady acting like that. Jennifer fits the type of person who would do something like that.

Michael H. Smith

January 28th, 2010
9:07 pm

You did note @@, I said or fear reprisals? I understand why some have this reason. Though most don’t, they are just simply gutless.

Do be careful with the title Progressive, @@. Now days though a bunch of socialists liberals mostly Democrats that can not stand to be called liberal have absconded the label progressive to themselves to hide their socialism. Their mentor Woodrow Wilson a so-called Progressive – actually a liberal socialist elitist – could by no more means live up to the mantle of Teddy Roosevelt than these modern day socialists liberal Obumer-Hilary-crats can.

By definition, Progressive means a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, esp. in political matters.

Now, where @@ does this leave a conservative? Against progress? Against reform? Nay, say I. Think just a bit. Are we against government because we are conservatives? Obviously not. However, we are for limited government. Catching on @@?

Therefore, @@, it is highly likely that I as a Independent Progressive Populist Conservative might just be for “limited change” not radical reform, as I am for “limited government”. For the common people “limited capitalism” against laissez-faire classic liberalism supported by the elite.

Might I add @@, The Republican Party was born out of reform. (Sommething they might want to catch-on to) Their political root is reform, it gave them birth. The early Progressives were abolitionists. Progressive Teddy Roosevelt was also against segregation. Liberal Socialist elite Woodrow Wilson segregated the U.S. Military, something Progressive Theodore Roosevelt never did and from all signs he never would have. Admittedly he did have one wrong he never had the courage to right, although not anything close to so-called progressive socialist liberal elite Woodrow Wilson’s many wronged under the backward walk of segregation.

Just saying… so-called progressives, socialist liberals, elites

BTW, Glenn Beck might be a little more Progressive than he is willing to admit, when correctly defined and applied.

LA

January 28th, 2010
9:09 pm

@@

By the way, how in the world did she get a hold of your personal accounts? I don’t use my real email addresses when I post my comments. The only way for anyone to track someone down is to get a hold of their IP address which only the AJC IT department can do. If that person turned out to be an employee then you really could sue them. I know you are not the lawsuit type but it’s a direct violation. Jay’s job could even be at risk.

Allen

January 28th, 2010
9:29 pm

Jess, 5:37: Good advocacy journalists (whether left or right) express opinions that are fact-based and contextual. Poor advocacy journalists neglect context, proportionality, and often the truth itself in service of ideology. I’m not so jaded as to think that all journalists who acknowledge an ideology necessarily fudge the truth to support it.