Those crazy secessionists in…Vermont

What is said in Texas doesn’t stay in Texas, apparently. From the AP:

SHELBURNE, Vt. — Peter Garritano thinks it’s time for Vermont to call it quits with America.

The way the 54-year-old automobile salesman sees it, the “empire” is about to implode and tiny Vermont can lead the way by becoming its own independent republic. So he’s running for lieutenant governor, topping a slate of secession-minded candidates seeking statewide offices this year.

Their name: Vermont Independence Day.

“The only hope is to just say, ‘Look, this isn’t working for us. We want to start fresh again, with a real democracy,’” Garritano said. “I think that’s the answer. Hopefully, it won’t take another horrible economic breakdown to realize that the people running things don’t look out for the little guy, or us, or the soldiers. It’s all about profit and getting the last drops of oil on Earth and trampling people’s rights.”

Obviously, this slate’s motivation differs from that of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican. But it’s another sign that Change isn’t delivering for Americans of all stripes.

(And, before someone tries to paint it as such — no, this post isn’t an endorsement of secession.)

46 comments Add your comment

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
12:09 pm

They would last about 15 minutes without the USA behind them.

Chris Broe

January 13th, 2010
12:16 pm

This country was founded in a civil war called the American Revolution. Then they decided to accept slavery and work out the details later so that they could hang together instead of hang separately. (Benjamin Franklin in the movie, “1776″). That only postphoned the civil war 4 score and seven years. Today, about seven score and four years later, it’s not surprising that the civil war is back on.

It wouldn’t take much of a Fox News-covered massacre to start the shootin’ again. (Oh, the HumeHannity)

The White Supremacists have a plan. They brag about it. They talked about it on Oprah till she banned them from her show. It’s only a matter of time. Screen for young muslims in airports? Brother, that’s the least of our problems.

To test the war fever, Obama should try to reenact the resupplying of Fort Sumter, just to see what the reenactors at Fort Moultrie will do. Maybe if we mime this civil war nobody will get hurt.

Walk softly boys.

MrLiberty

January 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Seems to endorce the idea of peaceful secession, as did all of the founders of this nation.

From Jefferson “If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation…to a continuance in union… I have no hesitation in saying,’let us separate.’ ”

The government has nothing that it doesn’t take from someone else first. Vermont, like every state, has money stolen from its people that the federal government returns with huge strings attached. They, nor any state, would hardly fail if they were to leave.

Instead of posting information about Vermont, it would be more useful for folks to know that the sentiment is rising in GA as well, and we too would be a much more prosperous nation if we were freely allowed to go our own way – but only in liberty – not in some alternate form of the socialist/fascist government we have in DC or frankly the one that “runs” our state today.

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
12:43 pm

Those in power in the GA govenment can’t run it without billions of federal bailout money, they would last less than 10 minutes. People need to grow up and face reality. This ain’t Kansas and the grass won’t be greener.

Joan

January 13th, 2010
1:22 pm

Lean and mean seems a lot better to me than the bloated governmental bureaucracy we have now. All we have are bureaucrats making more bureaucrats, taking more taxpayer dollars to support them and their pensions and other benefits. Time to trim the old government tree. Right now, we are on a downhill slide, because you simply can’t have more parasites than the taxpayer tree can support. Our population is getting like an upside down mortgage–taxpayers have to pay out much more than they can expect value for.

John D. Poole

January 13th, 2010
1:43 pm

Personally, I think that secession is legal and if the folks in VT feel like seceding, then good luck. As a Texan, I feel about as close to, and trusting of, those in Washington as I do those in China. Do I think that our “empire” is going to fail anytime soon? No. Do I support Americans acting upon their desires and within their rights? Yes. Let this response serve as an endorsement of Texas secesssion. ;-)

Mr. Broe, just for your own edification, there was slavery before the American colonies declared independence, and for some time thereafter, so let’s not hang the legacy of slavery solely on the Americans. I’ve honestly no idea where white supremacists figure in your repsonse, but I’ll gladly be there to fire on Fort Sumter if they need anyone to help out…and it shouldn’t be too much of a bloodbath, since NO Federal troops were killed in the bombardment. Not to lecture, just to state the facts.

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
1:58 pm

You Texans could not last either. Make the best of it.

John D. Poole

January 13th, 2010
2:02 pm

Jefferson, we did last for 9 years, and we were at the time in worse shape than we are now. So yes, we’d make it. I’d love to explain all the industry, money, technology, and agriculture that we have here, not to mention a large workforce, both skilled and unskilled, but I just don’t have time. And as for your previous comment that VT couldn’t last, I’d like to remind you that the colonies in 1776 were broke and not unified, and took on and beat the greatest empire on the face of the Earth at that time. I’m glad that not all Americans have your defeatist attitude.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 13th, 2010
2:07 pm

I endorse secession for all who wish it. I think the decision to secede ought to be made on a county-by-county basis. Texas and Florida could easily make it alone; Georgia is a marginal case, mostly because we have few natural advantages (certainly nothing like Florida’s beaches/tourism or Texas petroleum products. Meth or crack factories don’t count as a natural advantage.)

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

Just what would you use for money? The devil is in the details, just think of the details.

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
2:23 pm

Why would those who are fat and happy want to move or go thru the failed attemp? Make the best of what you got.

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
2:24 pm

Sound like a good way for people to get killed.

John D. Poole

January 13th, 2010
2:24 pm

Jefferson, what do we use for money now? What’s it backed by? According to our esteemed Sec’y of the Treasury and our President, we can print money and it’s okay, right?

I’d say that for money, we could use money. It’s a stretch, but I bet it would work.

As an aside, even if you don’t use paper money, you can always have a barter system ala Argentina a few years ago…google it.

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
2:25 pm

Keep thinking. Most couples can’t decide on supper…

John D. Poole

January 13th, 2010
2:31 pm

To Jefferson, who wrote: Why would those who are fat and happy want to move or go thru the failed attemp? Make the best of what you got.

Thing is, some of us aren’t fat and happy. Well, happy I’m not fat, but that’s neither here nor there. I get what you’re saying, but for those Americans who aren’t ‘fat and happy’, and who are at the point where short term hardship seems tolerable if there’s the hope of prosperity in the long term, then secession talk isn’t so far fetched.

For those Americans that are happy with the current situation, congratulations. You’re okay with the status quo and I don’t begrudge you for that. I’m just saying that it’s our right to secede if we want to, and yes, in some cases a state would be perfectly fine without the ‘patronage’ of the wonderful, paternal, successful Federal government.

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
2:35 pm

Those happy Americans have rights too, Who is to say then next regime will be better? Just remember, things could always be worse.

John D. Poole

January 13th, 2010
2:37 pm

I’m seceding from this conversation. Viva Me!

sam

January 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

who needs vermont any way? let em go…

Jess

January 13th, 2010
2:39 pm

The fact is that the people in this country are becoming very uneasy. As Kyle said, this is not a one sided uneasiness, it’s coming from all over. Conservatives see an unprecedented attack on all things capitalist and private, while liberals, who had great hopes for a Europeon style government run society are seeing this administration bog down without one major reform implemented in the first year. Each side blames the other for the economy and joblessness, and nobody seems to have any real ideas other than to spend more of our children’s money.

Damn, I’m depressing myself…I better quit.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 13th, 2010
2:46 pm

Sometimes a divorce is a beneficial solution to a troubled marriage. Plus the attorneys make more money then.

Jefferson

January 13th, 2010
2:56 pm

You can please everyone, so you have to please yourself.

David Axelfraud

January 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

Kyle, here is a nice video showing more Democrat racist hypocrisy.

I give you……..Hillary…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDHbHcOV1N4&feature=related

Hill Billy Bob

January 13th, 2010
3:14 pm

This is the way it shuld go down. 1. New England. 2. New York, Pa and the rest f the northeast. 3. Midwest. 4. Southeast. 5. Texas 6. Western states. 7. California 8. Alaska and 9. Hawaii

That’s the way to git ‘er dun. 9 separate countries. Everyone should be happy.

Dusty

January 13th, 2010
3:43 pm

Aw come on now, Texas and Vermont. Haven’t you read your history books? We’ve already tried the secessionist bit. As Kyle said, Crazy!!

From what I’ve read, reconstruction was not a picnic for the secessionists or the slaves. NOBODY had a good time!!

This talk of secession is just another way of expressing unhappiness. And, believe me, there’s a lot of that around . The citizens are holding their breath over the economy while the President and Congress try to cure unhappiness by spending more money.

It is not working. PIling on debt is not the way to induce prosperity. Why this simple truth evades the government is not understandable.

Neither is the idea of secession understandable. We are the captains of the lifeboats of this country. When we give up and don’t man the lifeboats, we sink into a sea of sobs & slobs.

. Secessionists, laggards! Get to work saving this country. Our troops are far away fighting for us. The least we can do is to keep the home fires burning brightly, to welcome their return to the land for which they sacrifice… . . .

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 13th, 2010
3:49 pm

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and to form one that suits them better. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may make their own of such territory as they inhabit. More than this, a majority of any portion of such people may revolutionize, putting down a minority intermingling with or near them who oppose their movement.

Lincoln on the floor of Congress, 13 January 1848
Congressional Globe, Appendix
1st Session 30th Congress, page 94

Hill Billy Bob

January 13th, 2010
3:54 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe
they have the right to try. To make it stick they have to have the gunpowder to succeed.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 13th, 2010
4:00 pm

Hill Billy Bob

If the people of a state have a right to freely join the Union, they should have a right to freely leave it. I don’t think it would be a wise move but I don’t live in Vermont (have never been there actually). It should be for the Vermonters to decide.

Gramps

January 13th, 2010
5:03 pm

I want North Georgia to secede from Atlanta. We have North Dakota, North Carolina, why not North Georgia? Atlantans already consider anything outside of I285 to not be part of Georgia. Or else break away from Georgia and annex into Tennessee – at least they have plenty of water.

Hill Billy Bob

January 13th, 2010
5:17 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe – You must be from South Carolina. That’s what they though in 1861, Didn’t work out that way. Key words are “should be.”

Hill Billy Bob

January 13th, 2010
5:18 pm

Make that “should have”.

I have been to Vermont. Beautiful state. Lots of mountains. Cilly in the winter. Fall is nice.

Dusty

January 13th, 2010
5:39 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe,

I always felt that the South would have had a fair and supported reconstruction if Lincoln had been alive. The man had compassion. Reading some of the letters he wrote to the families of fallen soldiers was like enjoying artwork in simplicity and feeling. His Gettyberg address still inspires.

I think that I have mentioned before that his Gettysberg address is imprinted on a metal plaque at the entrance to the national cemetery in Beautfort, S.C. My parents are buried there and I stop every time to read again that great address.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 13th, 2010
5:41 pm

You must be from South Carolina.

Wrong. Seventh generation Georgian.

samuel

January 13th, 2010
7:10 pm

As a car salesmam, I don’t know what problem Peter Garritano has with the profit motive or drilling for all the oil on Earth. The story dosen’t say which party he represents, but my guess is that it’s a conservative-minded party. Remember that Obama got 60% of the vote in Vermont in 2008, and that Vermont has the only officially Socialist member of the U.S. Senate, Bernard Sanders. So my guess is that Garritano and the other seccesionist candidates are facing an uphill battle.

Hill Billy Bob

January 13th, 2010
7:31 pm

Deluxe – I am part Cherokee. Parts of my family have been here in Georgia a long time. On my direct male line, I’m 5th. And that’s in North Georgia.
Generally, majority does not want to let a minority of a country go without a fight. Big exception was U.S.S.R breakup. Don’t know of any similar breakup without a fight.

Sam

January 13th, 2010
8:31 pm

I don’t think Vermont should succeed. But, I don’t like Yankees in Georgia… I for one would love the South to succeed because of the cultural differences between the North and South… If the Confederate states were here today, we would have a stronger democaracy, because the states would have more rights!!!

Sam

January 13th, 2010
8:32 pm

Plus more voice in the government. And the states would/ should be ran by the people.

Limbaugh Voted For Hillary

January 13th, 2010
9:08 pm

Secession is for quitters. Revolution is the American Way. Let’s put those 2nd Amendment rights to good use.

Gerald West

January 14th, 2010
5:31 am

Why repeat a mistake when there are new ones we haven’t tried? Let’s try to fix what we have rather than trying to start over. There are plenty of models of happy, healthy, prosperous, and workable countries: any Scandinavian country, the Netherlands, and France for a start. Why don’t we stop shouting and whining long enough to study and adopt the things that work?

Have you noticed that the people who complain the most about our country and federal government are the obstinate “conservatives” who don’t want anything to change?

Drew

January 14th, 2010
7:38 am

Really, Kyle? Have you not done your research or are you just being intellectually dishonest in an effort to promote your ideology? Approximately 20% of the people of Vermont have supported secession for several years now. I can remember reading articles on the topic three or four years ago. I don’t doubt for a second that Obama is helping to sustain or increase that percentage, but to paint the picture that he’s causing is foolish at best and dishonest at worst.

Clay

January 14th, 2010
8:07 am

I think we should invade Vermont, loot its homes and businesses, burn its towns, lay a hundred year tax for it to pay for the invasion of itself, and then create a moral reason for our action and construct the myth of ‘American Virtue.’ Also, we could raise their freight rates going out to prevent their industrialization and Georgians could move there with carpet bags and change their textbooks.

Skip

January 14th, 2010
8:33 am

A CAR salesman unhappy with the Government, now that’s a hoot. I wonder how much he made during Cash for Clunkers ?

Williebkind

January 14th, 2010
8:37 am

MrLiberty

January 13th, 2010
12:37 pm
I am with you! That is a outstanding post! It deserves posting again every twenty posts. Do it MrLiberty!

Williebkind

January 14th, 2010
8:46 am

The War Between the States was the worse war Americam have ever faced. If it happened again, it would be catastrophic. Millions would die. However if I and my sons had to participate, I would do everything to see socialism stamped out completely. Our forefathers had it right listen to them.

Steve

January 14th, 2010
9:15 am

“State’s Rights” is code for “we want to be racist and discriminate in this heah state if we want to!!”

Please, seceding? How long would THAT economy last? 3 weeks?

Intown Lib

January 15th, 2010
4:05 pm

Secessionism, in all its forms (Vermont, Fulton County, Ga., Texas) is basically people saying they are not interested in solving problems, just creating new ones.

Marko

January 31st, 2010
9:56 am

Texas could last because of its population size and natural resources. They could have a sizable GDP pretty quickly, where Vermont has nothing but ski resorts. They’d freeze in their first winter.